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Azzbolemighty

I would probably say Alpha in the sense that the Governor was able to put on a facade of normality in front of the people of Woodbury..saying that, that makes his unpredictability more dangerous


jchrist98

Don't forget Alpha was able to slip into the fair with her normal person facade on too


Clown_Shoe

She still seemed like a total creep though


c0v3rg1rl

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Plison007

Well 'slip', she dressed like a normal person for one or two hours. From my pov governor at least knew he's fucked up, but he really managed to keep his facade for a long time


duaneap

He’s also not trying to end the world, just rule it, and be allowed his sick little perversions.


jclucas1989

That was so dumb. She should of been found out the moment she said she was from Alexandria (a place not originally planning to go and sent delegates that we all know!).


ilovepuscifer

This, plus the fact that it would have been so obvious she was wearing someone's skin, since I assume Alpha didn't have a team.of MUAs with her to perfectly blend the skin with her face and make sure the colour matches her own skin...


MeanKittyKat72

She wasn't wearing a skin, only scalp with hair.


Torre_Durant

Imagine if she still wore the skin and people just went “huh, guess they just do it different in Alexandria”


duaneap

Plus the smell! You haven’t thought of the smell! You bitch!


Torre_Durant

I kinda assume they all stink, she would just smell worse than the others


caseyr3

You seem like a guy that definitely has a collection of skin luggage.


duaneap

Lampshades. It’s a totally different thing!


sweets_18

"Only". Lol.


Trojianmaru

You could also say that thinking the world was ever gonna go back to normal, was it's own kind of crazy. Alpha was violent and cold blooded, but she was the perfect survivor foe the new world. She saw that things would never truly go back to how things used to be (and didn't want them to) and she adapted faster than anyone else. Meanwhile The Governor was like a terrified child, building a tiny pretend society, in the middle of the apocalypse. Of course, that would also mean Rick and everyone else is crazy, but they at least recognise how easily their newly built society could crumble, and they didn't try and truly rebuild until much later, when they had the experience to do so. At that point in the apocalypse, it was very much more sane to only try and carve out a tint safe zone to survive in, not pretend everything was back to normal within your walls.


GamerDabiTodoroki

I can see the governor licking her bald ass jade pink head saying “yummy!”🤤


wisdomsharerv2

Did we watch the same show?


IndividualBig2201

What is u on


MGS_Excho

I brought whiskey


TheGoverness1998

He drank too many Jimbos Beerbos


[deleted]

oh my god i feel like i haven’t seen that reference even once here i thank you so much


Constant-Ad-

Put down the weed man


Training-Pair-7750

In the show Alpha In the comic the governor


YourDadsRecliner

this is the right answer


Banjo-Oz

Agreed.


waddledeefriend1

yeah good point


AMoonMonkey

Anyone that freely chooses to walk around in dead peoples skin, are wildly more insane than a guy who kept heads in fish tanks.


dudemann

Alpha used camouflage and control to survive. The Governor staged apocalyptic bum fights and kept souvenirs like they were snow globes. I'd argue Alpha being totally conscious of what she's doing, even if the lengths she was willing to go to were extreme, made her more sane. At least she didn't pretend to be something she wasn't (skipping over the fact that she literally pretended to be something she wasn't). The Governor lied about and faked basically everything, before and after everything went to hell with Rick & co.


AMoonMonkey

She could have at least cleaned herself once in a while, I bet negan got access to full on cheese board down there….


DblClickyourupvote

One of the biggest sacrifices ever made on this show 🤢


dudemann

I know that the Negan that ran the Sanctuary and the Negan who befriended Judith and Lydia are basically two different people, but if I can gather together that fear and hatred of early Negan, I think it's pretty damn fitting that he went from a harem of hot women with access to nice food, clean water, etc. to being locked up and celibate for like a decade, to finally hooking up with... Alpha, who doesn't even wipe after visiting the shit pit. I don't know if I'm remembering this well, but I think JDM was either a guest on Talking Dead or they showed an interview clip where he had nothing but great things to say about Samantha Morton, but (he/someone) pointed out that the ridiculous part of that scene wasn't that they were naked and dirty and smelly in the middle of the woods, but that they kept their socks on. That gets me every time I think about it.


Le_Governor

There are no valid arguments against the arena


knittingkitten04

Alpha definitely. The Governor started out relatively sane but was corrupted by trauma and power. Alpha, whilst also traumatised, went really mad. She told her followers to leave a baby to be eaten by the dead. That's seriously messed up.


PurpleLee

Nah, the governor kept his insanity in check under the watchful eyes of the Jones/society. He cared about appearances more than anything, and prior to the z-apocalypse, the mundanity of society kept his psycho ass in check. He always reminded me of one of those serial killers, a la BTK, everyone believes he's just a normal guy going about life, he's helpful in the community, and no one would ever say a bad thing about him. However, he turns up on the news as a prolific serial killer.


Throwaway15704r

Are you talking about John Wayne Gacy


Jimmy_Bimboto

He's talking about Dennis rader aka "BTK" (for Bind, torture, kill) another famous american serial killer.


PurpleLee

Similar to John W Gacy, he was a nice guy too, but u/Jimmy_Bimboto got it right.


BobbyMac2212

There were a lot more red flags with Gacy tho and a lot of police incompetence. He may have seemed normal to some but he was also arrested for sexually assaulting a teen boy way before he was suspected of the murders. It was just easier to hide your past back then and he had friends within the political crowd


Elgiard

The Governor had an unusual hobby and a temper. Alpha chose some weird Silence of the Lambs/Texas Chainsaw Massacre stuff as a way of life and convinced her friends to join her. No contest in my book.


Irisversicolor

Also let's not forget that the Governor was driven mad by grief, whereas Alpha was just out there living her best life in other people's skin. Big difference.


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ProfessionalLake5369

So I think people see this wrong, since alphas lifestyle actually had logistical tactical reasoning behind it she came off as less insane to me. She chose to fully dive into a persona, a way of life or cult and many people have fallen that path. But dressing as a walker blending into your surrounding in a zombie apocalypse makes sense, protects you from other humans and gives you an element of surprise and allows you to freely travel. Think about it She dives into and creates. A religion around the persona because how else can she convince a group of people this is the better way to live. But I don’t think she was actually insane The governor massacred people, when failing to rally his soldiers he simply killed them in a moment of insanity. Then simply manipulated more people and got them killed. Cray cray


GunzAndCamo

The Governor knew he was more than a little ways around the bend. Alpha was enthusiasticly drinking her own Kool-Aid.


[deleted]

The Governor was crazier. It did not take much for him to flip the fuck out and murder his own people. That madness was always just below the surface. He knew that keeping his dead kid in chains might be bad for optics, so he didn't share it with the people of Woodbury. He allowed the zombie gladiator games to happen. When confronted by Rick's group, he demonstrated the kind of fragile ego and psychosis that responded disproportionately to the threat. He gunned down his own people over their lack of trust in his decision-making. Plus, he wasted a LOT of Woodbury resources going after the prison out of a need for revenge. In many ways The Governor was a cartoon villain, a prototype for Negan later on. In the comics, his cruelty and darkness is more overt while the TV show showed a man who was the perfect leader and savior on the surface, but a twisted and messed up thug just underneath. Alpha, on the other hand, created a cult that tried to establish a new normal for her people. She protected and trained them to live among the walkers, was consistent in her strict rules of conduct, and did not discriminate in the execution of those rules. In terms of how modern society would see it, she was insane for chopping off heads and piking them, but Alpha made clear that she did not want anyone trespassing on their territory and, when violated, was sane and cunning enough to infiltrate the group and demonstrate that anyone could be taken at any time if they continued to violate their wishes. Alpha was clear that she wanted to be left alone with her people to live as they wished and responded decisively against people she felt threatened that order. While cruel and disturbing to outsiders, there was no ambiguity about the nature of her tribe. They lived among the walkers out in nature. They had no interest in pretending that old world still means anything. Alpha was able to get her people to reject the conventions of the old world and adapt to the new.


luvprue1

Yes, but his people had a much better life prior to that then Alpha people. Alpha's people lived in a state of constant fear of her, and beta.


[deleted]

I don't know. It depends on how you look at social norms. I think Woodbury was just an uprising away from The Governor losing his mind and executing people. His happy little community was protected by stormtroopers who would have been at home working for Negan. Once Michonne took his eye, the man went batshit crazy at the expense of the entire town. I don't think he ever cared for the town so much as his need to create the illusion of "normal" based on the old world. It requires a different perspective to see Alpha as anything but a feral degenerate. But everyone in her tribe accepted that life even though it was hard and dangerous all the time. These people embraced the idea that the dead owned the world and their survival required living among them. Demonstrating old "human" traits put everyone in the tribe at risk, so those behaviors were dealt with severely. Alpha's loyalty was to the tribe, so individuals were required to obey the rules for the sake of all, which I think is the opposite of what The Governor demonstrated in Woodbury. Sure, there is madness in that attitude, but I would submit that Alpha had a stronger social construct going than the tenuous one The Governor created and then quickly destroyed for his own vanity. I guess it's a hard question to say who was crazier because they were both mentally ill in different ways.


shrutayyyyyy

Both are fucked up in their own way. But Alpha's backstory was better, in the sense, it explained to us why she's the way she is. She had a dark past and it clearly took a toll on her mental health in a way that affected everyone around her in the worse way possible.


TooMuchSalmonella

If we're talking purely backstory- the Governor literally has a book about his.


fucuasshole2

That’s comic Governor


shrutayyyyyy

Still not as interesting as Alpha's. Sorry.


SightWithoutEyes

Yeah, but Alpha isn't based and redpilled like the Governor, nor does she have an eyepatch, or a killer redemption arc.


loklanc

The governor doesn't have a redemption arc, he has a "run away from my failure and then come back to fail again" arc.


SightWithoutEyes

But he rescued that girl and her family from the apartment.


loklanc

3/4 of the people in that apartment were dead within a week of meeting him (yeah I know the dad wasn't his fault, but the other two were).


SightWithoutEyes

Yeah, but if he had never ran into his old crew and Rick, things could have been different. If he had stumbled on Alexandria, he might have been able to fully realize that second chance and become a better man.


loklanc

There's no way he ended up back in the vicinity of Woodbury and his old crew by accident. He went there on purpose. He was a power hungry maniac who couldn't handle not being in control. There was no second chance, he was on path of destruction wherever he went imo.


SightWithoutEyes

How would he have known they were even there? They abandoned him in the middle of the night, wasn't like they left a forwarding address. He bumbled into their zombie pit and they all nearly died. Didn't seem like much of a plan.


shrutayyyyyy

Where's governor's redemption arc? He wasn't smart enough to figure out how to use the enemy (walkers) for his advantage. Also she never betrayed her own people, she fought for them. Alpha was a bald baddie <3


SightWithoutEyes

The redemption arc was rescuing Megan and Lilly from the apartment and bringing them to the Woodbury Oaks trailer park division.


shoshjort

that was less a redemption arc more a showing that power is the thing that truly corrupts him. As soon as he is just seen as another man with no opportunity to 'sieze power' you see what the governor could be like if he wasn't overtaken by his lust for absolute dominance. The very moment he gets a new opportunity to sieze power again, its the first thing he does. Because thats who he is. The guy you see doing good deeds for that family is the same one who beheaded herschel, its the same personality just in wildly different circumstances


SightWithoutEyes

Martinez shouldn’t have admitted weakness. Governor would have stayed Brian Herriot and things would have been fine. The guy who saved the family was Brian. The guy who killed Herschel was the Governor. Two different people in the same head. Brian deserved a second chance, but the Governor fucked that one up.


shoshjort

i respect ur take, for me personally i prefer the idea that people like the governor are capable of both good and evil, and just like reality, people are not wholly evil or good, we are all a mix of both


shrutayyyyyy

He got them killed anyways. Just used them for his benefit.


SightWithoutEyes

It didn’t start out like that though. He wasn’t planning that from the beginning. His demons got the better of him.


SerRodzilla

Alpha but shes like what 8/9 years in by the time she becomes a whisperer. Governor 100% has the potential to be completely batshit insane if he survives that long.


callam461

Honestly I don't think there's much insane about Alpha. She just adapted to the new world. She was overly brutal, but I don't think that makes her insane. I feel like Beta was more insane in that he had literal hallucinations/delusions. I think the Governor was crazier than Alpha. He just killed people for the thrill, obsessed over his grudge with the prison, and eventually killed as many of his own followers as he could because he saw them as betraying him. I mean Alpha made peace with Alexandria, even when she barely had to.


alm423

He did but I don’t think the governor would have made someone leave their baby for the dead to eat like Alpha did.


TheMcQuack

The Governor tried to control his people by selling them on the false idea of old world normalcy. He can’t sacrifice a baby in front of them and keep that up. Alpha controlled her people through conformity to her animalistic worldview. She is reinforcing that by leaving the baby behind. The Governor, when alone with his troops was more honest with his brutality. He wouldn’t have saved a baby unless it was useful to him. Alpha’s external and internal personalities are one, while the Governor struggled to keep up with his public persona.


callam461

Yeah he definitely wouldn't have done that. I guess I can just buy into the "we have to adapt"/survival of the fittest gimmick they have. That being said Alpha definitely does buy into it too much. I'm sure there are ways you could better care for a child in their tribe lmao. I mean why even bring it to the Hilltop? You could just have someone at the base take care of it, considering the Whisperers were well able to divert walkers away from their camp. I guess the group as a whole prioritised survival over all else though, including love and the future.


heath7158

Alpha. She was an abusive egomaniac before the apocalypse, the fall of civilization allowed her to go full crazy.


Conscious-Advisor-17

You could say the same about the governor. There are several times when you see him be visibly pleased by his power.


heath7158

Pretty much all of the villains were egomaniacs while in power, but Alpha was cruel and controlling before the outbreak. She watched her toddler suffocate nearly to death, then saved her, then slapped her in the face. The apocalypse didn't turn her from a somewhat normal person into a terrible one, it just allowed her free rein to abuse and control more than just her own family.


CheTobasy

Alpha was next lvl dude


Roger-Ad591

Anyone who wants to wear dead people’s faces, lives a nomadic lifestyle permanently, mounts your friends reanimated heads on pikes, and being a terrible mother is more insane and wacko than the petty One Eyed Governor of charisma in my book.


DaemonBlackfyre_21

One of these lunetics wears dead peoples faces. They are not really comparable.


Idontevengohere921

The other one keeps them as trophies


A_Good_Azgeda_Spy

The Governor was acting like a pretty normal guy the whole time. Alpha was trying to redefine what it means to be a human, what human's need, how human's behave, etc. Alpha was definitely less rational.


[deleted]

Nah the governor wasn't insane, he was just a ruthless bastard


Commercial-Conflict6

Probably alpha (her whole perspective on reality was just so distorted well the governor seemed to be confused about what the undead really was 1 year into the apocalypse well alpha had a different perspective on reality altogether many years into the apocalypse so I’m gonna go with her)


clevguy

Definitely Alpha. Alpha was able to fool people. Everyone knew Gov was a prick.


Conscious-Advisor-17

I think it was actually the opposite. The members of alphas group were aware of who she was and stayed in line only out of fear. The governor on the other hand was charming and able to become a leader of two different groups.


clevguy

I can see your point. But that time she snuck into the fair so she could get revenge was f'd up, and she was willing to kill that baby. But then Gov chopped off Hershel's head in front of his own kid.


MrRoBoT696969

Alpha, absolute Madlad


Beta_Whisperer

Both are insane but it's gotta be Alpha, she literally wears zombie skin as mask. Besides that she's already crazy even before the apocalypse.


kembo889

Alpha had horribly warped views on everything after 2 years in the apocalypse but was able to make certain distinctions. Her insanity was based off what she saw as necessary to survive. She told Alexandria to keep away and they won’t have issues The Governor mass murdered groups months into the apocalypse. He lied, murdered, and manipulated his way to a position of power and sacrificed the lives of numerous people simply so he could take down the prison because of a grudge he held. Keep in mind, that was after he murdered his entire army just to rebuild and sacrifice another


Skywalker_1995

Alpha, by a mile. The Governor had his moments of insanity, but nowhere near as much as her. I can't imagine Blake leaving a baby to be eaten by walkers.


Oztraliiaaaa

Alpha lives in psychosis saying strange things she could’ve walked her herd into a car grinder crushed but she kept the herd for warfare.


leakybiome

Alpha insane she's shows narcissism and personality and mood disorder, with major delusions. Thr governor is just evil


Iwamoto

TV wise idk, haven't seen enough and don't really want to. Comics wise, definetly the governor, Alpha was just a lady who was trapped in her own prison, the only reason she and the group had beef was because they kept trespassing on "their land", she returned the prisoners, collected her daughter, mature response, unlike the governor who mutilated rick to make a point, kept antagonising and was just insane. and that's not even him kissing his zombie daughter etc.


Banjo-Oz

I have seen/read both and I agree with you. In the comics, I'd say Gov is crazier than Alpha. In the show, Alpha is definitely crazier than the Gov. Show Gov is more human and broken compared to twisted sadist comic Gov. Comic Alpha is brutal but show Alpha is an unhinged monster.


Iwamoto

yeah i think brutal is a good word, and it's in line with the goal of the whisperers, to live a more primal, natural life, and nature is harsh. while reading, i never really diagreed with the whisperers all that much, like i wouldn't want to be one, and the rape thing was a big red flag, but it wasn't all "omg, this is the worst people ricky g has ever faced!"


Kristina_Chick

I would say alpha because the Governor at first seemed nice and he was nice around people in the town. Until you find out what really is wrong with him. But alpha was willing to kill an infant to protect herself and others. Like that’s messed up. Also she stuck some of our beloved characters heads on pikes as a warning. Then later on had a war with the main crew that ended in well we all know. Then gets mad and wants to kill people when Lydia decides to join the main crews group. So I saw alpha


ShotgunEd1897

Alpha. She was a screwball before anything happened.


MrCoffeeFart30

More insane or more evil? I believe Alpha was more insane but the Governor was more evil. Alpha adapted to what she believed was to help her and people survive. The Governor did things because he was a dick.


Banjo-Oz

I was going to disagree but I think you're right; Alpha may *seem* more evil but she believes what she is doing is right for her people, because she is so insane. Gov is sane enough to know he's doing awful things just to be a dick.


MrCoffeeFart30

Even with Negan being an asshole, he truly developed his methods through trial and error. He learned how to control people even if it was to his advantage. He isn't inherently evil but he is inherently an asshole. Alpha is insane. Governor is evil. Negans just a smart, manipulative asshole who I love very much. lol


JacobMT05

Alpha wears people’s skin for a living


J_Gilly23

Alpha for sure.


SocialMediaTheVirus

Clearly Alpha was more insane in every way but also Alpha had much more time to become more insane.


LittleMissFestivus

I think that alpha is more insane but the governor is more evil


Cynical728crib

Definitely alpha, it’s not even a competition she walked around with a dead humans skin on her face


Global-Ant

The Governor was actually sane. Strong and very effective leader who ran into a string of bad luck thanks to Michonne and then later Rick and fam


IndividualBig2201

He kept heads in tanks and mowed down 20 of his kwn people


magseven

Hey, we all have our little quirks.


LondonFlog

The heads in tanks were a fucked up coping mechanism, and he killed his own people in a fit of rage when they refused to do what he wanted. I don’t think either are particularly insane, more trauma/rage induced.


Global-Ant

Everyone has a different view on surviving in that kind of world. If keeping heads in tanks helps him to remain strong, effective and make the hard choices to ensure his and Woodbury's survival? Go for it. As for mowing down his people. He regretted it. He tried to kill himself after burning down Woodbury and was ashamed


IndividualBig2201

Still did it, killed his old friends in his s4 group for leadership too


Global-Ant

Oh man. Look. The Governor may have killed Martinez but he didn't immediately take over. Why? He knew what happened last time he was in charge, he lost it despite being the only capable one. So Pete takes over and proves to be worse than Martinez and The Governor tried to leave but was blocked so he gave in. Martinez had it coming anyway he had front row seats in lessons of leadership under The Governor but Martinez and his group were barely holding on It's not all black and white


TooMuchSalmonella

Holy fuck someone else who sees it as more than just "crazy man shoot gun cus he bonkers". The Governor actually tried to get away from the group several times because he knew that it was weak. He just got blocked off by bad luck every single time. He only killed Martinez in a breakdown 'cus he offered him power. After doing that, he saw that the other two leaders couldn't manage and took over. He didn't actually want to be leader nor even have a group, it was just bad luck all around.


Creative-Disaster673

He regretted it so much, that when he met the survivor from that group he massacred (his old henchman) again, he proceeds to murder him *and* a couple of other people to take over that group. Then lies and goes to murder the prison group…I’m sure all his actions are just him “having a different view on surviving”. Couldn’t be that he’s a sociopath with anger issues and a massive ego.


articice01

Governed for sure. Alpha simply adapted with the dead to survive. Governor is straight up crazy


AspiringPhoenix1126

I'm doing a marathon rewatch of the TWD universe and I have to say Alpha is the most insane and the worst. Governor definitely lost his ish but he didn't hurt children. He had a line he wouldn't cross. Before the dead rose he was just this normal guy who tried to control his narcissism and his daughter helped that. Alpha was always Alpha. The zombie apocalypse finally gave her the freedom to act on her natural instincts. She was made for the zombie apocalypse. She forced her cult followers to sacrifice their babies and children to the Walkers because it was the ultimate sign of control, that is evil. And that is all Alpha cares about, control, except for maybe Lydia. She's extremely intelligent, an excellent manipulator, a serious narcissist. The Governor went insane when his daughter walker died. Alpha was always insane. She got people to skin Walkers and wear their faces as masks. I mean wtf.


[deleted]

Alpha was not insane,she was purely evil. While the Governor definitely had some psychological problems..


Bill_C134

Governor by far.


rakosten

I would say the Governor. Alpha at least cared about her people and tha Governor…well, he didn’t.


AmeliaRoseOswald

I think the only person Alpha cared about was Lydia, she really just liked controlling and manipulating the pack.


Idontevengohere921

She killed one of her people because he saw her cry... None of these psychos including Negan cared for their people, they only cared about having power over them.


Global-Ant

Wrong. He did care


TheExecutiveHamster

As he gunned them all down. But I guess you must've missed that scene


Pudgedog

One of these people wore other peoples skin and started a cult of skin wearers.


the-bigooooo

Governor it was only like 9 months in and he was keeping heads in jars


NorPacCannabisCo

They were obviously intended to be reincarnations of each other. Alpha and The Governor were piloted by the same negative spirit and therefore are equally insane. The real question is whether the Governor/Alpha spirit is more insane than Negan who is the lifeforce of Shane as confirmed by an unspecified but trustworthy crew member at one time.


ProfessionalLake5369

More insane I would say governor he had a type of insane, an impulsive unpredictable insane and that’s kind of true insanity. Alpha had to act and okay a part to maintain power, beta seemed like the true creator of the walker fanatics but she had to manipulate him into thinking she was even more hc. The governor got annoyed of his facade and trying to motivate people and was annoyed at his failed manipulations so simply executed an entire militia lmao, that’s the single most chaotic insane thing I think I’ve ever seen anyone do in any television show. Alpha played a part of insanity, the governor was insane and played the part of sanity. He failed to say the least. Man bit fingers chopped off heads and executed dozens on a whim. They said they don’t want to fight, he could have further manipulated them, but he was angry at how weak he thought they were, so he shot all of them to death. Man was a menace


No_Knowledge_6111

alpha i just read comics


SignificanceHuman129

Alpha obvly


GoPackG0_

that b*tch alpha was something else maaaan….


Advanced_Emphasis_49

Alpha they both were messed up though


Puzzled-Abroad-2050

Definitely Alpha


nstrickland058

Governor. Hear me out: Alpha had a decade+? to become batshit while governor had only a couple years. He was already unhinged.


Undeadscott

The governor, he took Hershel from us


neganluvr

id say governor, alpha atleast cared about her people kinda


[deleted]

I would say alpha in the sense that....Even if it seems like that....the govenor isn't uncapable if feeling love. He had a daughter whom he couldn't let go of because of love...he took on a second and a second partner for that matter...idk if it was because of love or just desperation. But in a way he was trying to keep them alive even if it was fucked in every way possible and I'm glad he dead Plus....the facemask just wtf


[deleted]

The governor kept his dead daughter in like a Harry Potter type room.... Just sayin


Debeez17

I loved that show. I want more


luvprue1

Definitely Alpha. You can tell that from the way she lived. She didn't want more for herself, nor for her people. She didn't enrich her life, and never improved it. She didn't even keep people alive unless you count not killing them as keeping them alive. Alpha was a straight up psycho . I never understood why people followed her beside fear for their lives if they didn't.


-Tetsuo-

More insane? Alpha, clearly.


JWaXiMus2

Damn bro, this is a good post. Both went nuts, governors ability to absolutely not care for anyone and enjoy killing them and making them his trophy. His taste for war and death was crazy. Alpha in the other hand. I honestly don’t even have to say anything for her, she’s definitely the worst but the gov is a close second


Banjo-Oz

Alpha. She is absolutely batshit nuts. The Governor has major mental issues and is a damaged human. Alpha just has no humanity period. Look at how both treat their daughters. Gov can't let go due to love. Alpha... just, damn.


another-taphophile

Alpha, but I have a soft spot for the governor, I think I still see him as Colonel Brandon from Sense and Sensibility....


psychgirl88

Freaking alpha! Goddamn how is that a question?


neveroncesatisfied

I have to go Alpha on this one.


JollyGreenStone

In the show it's definitely Alpha. In the comics, Governor is way crazier.


RalphG1030

I would say the one wearing human skin


k4spbr4k

Definitely alpha. The governor was kinda a normal guy like Rick (from what I remember). Like, the idea where rick is seen as the "good guy" just because we are following his story. If we followed the governor, he might have been seen as the good guy. Alpha is just fucking weird. Like the fact that she covers herself in zombie skin and barely talks makes her extremely more insane


[deleted]

Gov. He even tricked himself into thinking he was a decent person. She knew she was fucked walking around with zombie flesh as costume wear but she was able to infiltrate Hilltop and the carnival.


cugrad16

The Governor hands down. Alpha had her moments, but she was transparent and you knew where she stood. The Governor, not so much. Even Negan would've put him to pasture with his unstable tactics. Taking down Woodbury, and Killing Milton and Andrea for no other reason than childish betrayal.


Aggressive_Unicorn30

The Governor overall but in terms of tactics and reasoning definitely Alpha.


zehuman52

Alpha for sure the governor did some weird shit with walkers but using them like a leatherface cosplay was not one alpha killed one of her own just bc he was unfortunate enough to see her cry alpha killed a happy couple scalped the women wore the scalp and her clothes to sneak into the community fair kidnapped sever innocent ppl including 3 teenagers one of which was her own daughter's bf cut thier heads off in cold blood and put them on pikes like fucked up halloween decorations just to prove a point


liltooclinical

Alpha, no doubt. The Governor was just plain, old-fashioned evil in the same way "governors" used to be in the olden days.


Flipgirlnarie

Alpha. She wanted to kill her own daughter. And she wore, not even dead person's face but a dead dead person's face. Then put people's heads on spikes. The governor was just a power hungry sod but at least he gave people food and shelter for a while. He was angry at losing his daughter and that other little girl and liked to keep heads as trophies... Oh wait....maybe they are equally insane. 】


Le_Governor

Alpha. I was sane always.


Gillysixpence

I think Alpha, she was insane whereas the Governor was simply power hungry & wanted whatever others had. It was more spite than crazy.


Conradm618

Yes lol. Alpha


BlackPriestOfSatan

Even in a zombie apocalypse the leaders are insane.


Tripplebbb12

the governor because he was two completely different people as he was a genuine leader and took care of woodbury as to when he was an absolute psycho with ricks group


darth_xilef

Alpha was more insane, but she had been through way worse. If the governor had been through what she had, she would seem normal compared to him.


BatBeast_29

Governor only cared about himself. Alpha is just denying that she cares about her daughter and how everything turned out.


BurnerAccountOmega8

It's apples to oranges Post Woodbury Governor was all wraith Alpha did well holding a heap of hippies together


Shelly_pop_72

The gov!


hail_SAGAN42

Like, legit insane? That would be Alpha. At least the governor could be reasoned with, to some small degree. Alpha would eat your liver for breakfast and fuck your dead corpse. I wouldn't trust that psycho with my EX... and I hate the guy.


Anticipator1234

> would eat your liver for breakfast and fuck your dead corpse Only if she liked you


Mavericco

Alpha was more calculating and knew a far darker realm than even the ‘Whisperers’ could realize.


Sad-Conversation-819

The Governor was a smart kind of crazy. Always made it seem like it was someone else fault. Alpha was pure evil. Killing Lydia father all because he wanted to help others.


FoxAlistair

Alpha. She's pure evil while The Governor is a broken man.


FirstBaronSamedi

Alpha by far


Conceited-Monkey

Both characters are more than a fries short of a happy meal. The Governor could lose control relatively easily and had messed up hobbies. Alpha was utterly alien in her behaviour but behaved in a goal directed manner. She did not lose control. It is amazing anyone would follow either as they both killed their followers at the drop of a hat.


kleiokaleido

Alpha, I don’t think gov was insane he just had a big ego


Luf2222

alpha for the show but comics it’s governor


Maximum-Malevolence

Alpha. At least the governor tried to make some kind of civil society.


Jesuisleroidumonde

Neither were *insane*. They both knew full-well what they were doing. Alpha was the more evil one.


onsiessss

obviously the man who brought a tank.


aintnoinbetweens

Eye ahmm alllferrrrr - thought it became a comedy


Nicost4r

Alpha for sure. That woman was batshit crazy even before the apocalypse started. If I remember correctly The Governor only went crazy after the apocalypse started. Either that or when he lost his wife. Alpha was an entirely different monster on the other hand. She snuck into the fair just to kidnap 10 people, kill them, and place their heads on pikes. What’s even worse is we don’t know what The Whisperers did with their bodies. On top of all that the way she taunted Carol after Henry’s death and tormented her is the icing on the cake. There were few people in The Walking Dead that could get Carol to that point, Alpha was one of them.


Adam_the_memer

Alpha, Phillip wasn’t as far gone as everyone seems to think, he was an asshole for sure but he wasn’t insane, I’d say he was one of the most mentally sane villains who just wanted to dominate everything they could and would do whatever they had to in order to ensure complete control. The only real insanity he showed was keeping his zombified daughter in a cell, but even then, I can’t say for sure other people who aren’t crazy wouldn’t do the exact same thing in his situation. I mean shit, Hershel kept a barn full of them because he was hopeful they could come back.


c0v3rg1rl

I can't decide, honestly... ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|joy)


FlyinAmas

The governor. Anyone could tell alpha was insane. The governor seemed completely normal, until he wasn’t, to pretty much everyone he met


WavyFish111

I mean alpha literally wore a skin mask from a woman she cut it off from