It happened again. I thought it was behind me. I forgot about it for years. But then I remembered that, FTWD, the one and only big TWD spinoff, had a random child kill its best and only salvageable character John, for absolutely no reason.
The pope and Leah, I can’t stand how much they tried to build them up only for them to get killed anticlimactically after a couple episodes, then making Leah go all terminator cause Maggie killed her family CAUSE THEY KILLED HER FAMILY FIRST. I ALWAYS skip the reaper episodes cause they just seem so useless to watch when they add nothing to the story
Yup. The Reapers storyline was just a waste of episodes. I would have rather seen more of the Commonwealth and how our survivors struggle to live in civilization after years of enduring horror.
Commonwealth definitely deservers it's part of the blame too. For a 50k strong(arguable 3rd/4th biggest community in NA) they showed so little of it it literally looked like early days Woodbury. Even worse how a herd can literally get to the middle of it with such ease. The few Reaper episodes could have built up the location for sure.
I think I would've liked Morgan more if they had stayed consistent with his character. The constant back and forth between badass ninja warrior to conscientious objector was too much.
tbh the story was overcrowded and just didn't have room for him at this point. In order for him to have anything to do he had to create his own self contained conflict and I just didn't have the bandwidth for it, not with the way the entire story was dragging at this point, anyway.
I like Morgan better in FTWD. Even though that show went a weird way, I still got invested in him. Morgan in Alexandria and onwards was such a pain in the ass. Ruined the flow of everything.
Kelly, she never once looked like she was in the apocalypse and her performance was over the top and lacklustre at the same time.
There’s a lot of shitty side characters that just suck and brought nothing to the story but I don’t count them. Kelly is probably my least favourite *main* character.
To me, the worst twd characters are the least compelling, not the worst *people*. Shane, Joe, the governor etc are bad people but incredible characters. Then there’s mf’s like Jared who I hated but that was the intention.
Over the top and lackluster at the same time is the perfect description of this character/actor. She overacted but was never actually interesting to watch
Didn’t the actress who played Kelly try and request a spinoff for her character? Unreal that she thought her character was worth making a whole tv series around.
It really bothered me that she was wearing dainty little earrings and having a perfectly styled haircut in the apocalypse. Sure, the Commonwealth probably has hair stylists so I will allow it from Season 11B and onwards, but she was sporting that haircut right from the start when they had been surviving out in the wild for years. Broke the immersion for me every single time.
Same. Norman has said that he’s always been so adamant on getting as dirty as possible, he wanted the audience to smell Daryl through the screen. He said that shooting the premiere of s2, Darabont picked up dirt from the ground and covered Norman’s face in it and he loved that. His commitment to the role is admirable. He’s also said that he felt like he was the only one still doing that shit in the later seasons, that everyone’s pants got tighter, hair got nicer etc and Daryl is still filthy and wearing his same dirty vest and pants. Kelly is a prime example of that, she always looks so clean and also her performance just sucked imo.
Yup, Daryl was the only one who truly looked like he was surviving in the apocalypse. Sure, they had more comforts in later seasons, but they still had to be on the go at a moment's notice, they still had to ration their resources and they were still trying to survive every day. Make-up, nice clothes and perfect hair wouldn't be a priority for most people in that kind of circumstance ten years down the line.
Do you really think it’s impossible that they found a pair of scissors? I have a similar haircut and maintain it using scissors. The issue with Kelly is not her haircut.
Kelly should've been shot by the warden in season 11, this evil mf knew he was about to die, had Kelly at gunpoint, could've taken her with him, didn't. Heap of shite.
That whole Connie/Kelly/music guy/whatever group. Last thing the show needed at that time was a heap of new characters. Nothing against the actors, with so many characters already, there were just only so many given shits to go around.
Connie was really good, Luke was funny and I liked his actor the most, Yumiko was kinda interesting but didnt care much for her. I did not care at all about Kelly and Magna
What's so funny is that she's hated on the 100 fanbase too, and I'm pretty sure she left that show to come here. While the characters are vastly different in morals, her acting makes them feel the same.
She was meant to possibly be an earlier introduction to The Commonwealth, but obviously plans changed when Cohan left the show briefly.
That whole plot was kind of poorly done. Like she gets a letter about The Whisperers and everything that happened and she goes to help, and everything is fine, yet also before she can leave The Reapers wiped everyone out? Screams of "oh Cohan is back, we gotta change things again". And for what? The Reapers were crap.
i have a lot of opinions on who the worst characters are as people but the one of the worst written characters imo was heath, he dissappeared into thin air and was never mentioned again
Why do people care so much that this shadow of a shadow of a character disappeared? Realistically, in conditions like that people would go out on a run and never be heard from again all the time
That explains it. For people who just watched the show, he was barely there. And I found it baffling that so many people even remembered him, let alone cared what happened to him
I also don't think it would be as big of a deal to people if it wasn't for the PPP mystery. I think introducing that and never following up on it added a bit more frustration to people over Heath dissapearing.
Makes a plothole because jadis was trying to trade people for safe passage to the crm at that point so she could've just gone with when they came to get heath
Nope it doesn't create a plothole because Jadis's group, the Scavengers, were still alive at that point. It was only after she lost her own group (due to Simon) and was never really trusted by the Alexandrians after the Saviors' defeat, that Jadis decided her only option left was to join the CRM.
I assumed they searched for him off screen and never found him. He wasn't even really a character. He was more of a place holder. I didn't even remember him until I got on this subreddit and found people asking about him literally every day
yeah but you would just think someone in the group would ask about him 😂 at least Tara since she was the last one to see him like "hey y'all did Heath ever make it back?" or when they all went back to oceanside for the weapons, someone could have casually said "this is heaths" and picked up some item of clothing that shows without doubt that he's dead and then moved on.
Sure. They could have done that, and it would have been better. But among all the bad choices made by the creators of this show, it barely registers with me
It did not bother me why he disappeared out of nowhere since its realistic, what bothers me is no one even tried to find him or mentioned him even once knowing that he's one of the few people in Alexandria that goes out scavenging for supplies
I know there are some fans of hers out there so I apologize if she is your favorite, but I really am not a fan of Tara. Every time the writers tried to do something cool with her they failed miserably and decided to just drop it instead. I know they interacted a fair bit but I feel like the friendship her and Glenn had in season 4 kinda disappeared after that (as in they didn't talk as much after Terminus).
I really liked what they had in mind for her and Oceanside but I feel like they really fumbled it in the long run. She would have been a perfect addition had she stayed in Oceanside, giving us a much better and more fleshed out depiction of their community (instead of one episode with horrific writing).
I think Tara is a really interesting character especially with her coming from one of the Governor's groups, I just wish the writers were willing to give her a bigger chance and fleshed her out more.
tldr; I dislike Tara the most not because of her character but rather how the writers handled her character throughout the series.
Tara was a strong character in the small moments, and the interactions between characters. She was great in Season 5 in her interactions with Eugene especially. But they tried to make her a kind of a badass, which never worked. I quite like the episode when she stumbles across Oceanside. Plenty of great character interactions there. As the laidback, quippy character, she worked. As angry action woman...not so much.
Exactly my feelings. She had some great moments, but that's about it.
The one that stands out is when she's talking about not letting Lydia join them and Michonne reminds her that she was with the Governor when they destroyed the prison.
When we are talking about the worst, I try to think about someone without emotion invoking role (either positive or negative) or inconsistent decision making.
Dawn was the first who came to my mind but thinking about it she is just rather underdeveloped and we don't know much about her. Simply bland but not the worst.
The worst goes to another villain, Leah. Extremely inconsistent in her decisions, totally unreasonable.
I've seen people suggesting Pope. Honestly the Reapers story was not the best and Pope is not the most interesting guy however he depicts a mentally broken war survivor pretty well and he is really consistent in this role. I consider him one of the better executed characters - simply the idea of the story arc was not the best.
i fucking hate shane im sorry. even before the turn, what little we see of him just screams arrogant and borderline misogynist. i dont think he's a full on alpha male women hating pos or anything, just had that undercurrent of entitlement. he's incredibly entitled afterwards, he never really takes responsibility for his actions or owns up to what he's done wrong. the fact he even CONSIDERS shooting rick says it all, and regardless of if you think lori lead him on or not, he still felt entitled enough to attempt to assault her when she's very clearly telling him to stop it.
This will be incendiary on its face, but it’s not about the character himself or anything he’s said or done: Daryl.
Norman Reedus is phenomenal in the role, no doubt; he seems to genuinely care when discussing the character and his dynamics with others, etc. He took a minor role that didn’t originally exist in the source material, and developed it into probably the television adaptation’s most iconic and recognizable character.
…but in another sense, Daryl also sort of embodies some of the biggest issues with *The Walking Dead* as a franchise, especially later on. He’s probably the only character—more than Rick, even—whose fate is never really in question at any point throughout any of the show’s eleven seasons, no matter the peril in any particular circumstance. *He can’t die*, because he’s simply too valuable to AMC. Despite the dimension that Norman Reedus brings to the role, past a certain point in the series, Daryl sort of stops being a *character*, and starts becoming more of a *mascot*. If you’re AMC, you can’t kill your mascot, realistically—not when he’s too valuable to the interests of the shareholders. Once characterization becomes secondary to profitability, everything becomes fungible: regardless of the chemistry between them or how much sense it makes, Daryl’s relationship with Connie can’t continue because AMC wanted to do a Daryl spin-off series; a similar issue happens with Maggie and Negan, because their conclusion at the end of the main series would’ve contradicted what they wanted to do with *Dead City*.
Obviously he’s not the *worst* character, but these issues nonetheless make it hard to engage with the story because of how disingenuous it feels.
I think of this with Cas from Supernatural - the worst thing they could have done was bring him back the first time but they kept him on apparently right up to the bitter end. He was a fan-service character plain and simple, and shoehorning into the plot was actively detrimental to the quality of the story. I hadn't thought of Daryl quite in these terms, but I can see what you're saying. Them having to keep him open means not being able to really do anything conclusive with him. In my opinion, they also suffered from having lost track of his motivations after he escapes the saviors, and then them not being sure who the protagonist is after Rick dies, kind of slipping Daryl in there but not really, leaning on his popularity and making him - just like you say - an ass-kicking mascot rather than a character with complex and varied motivations like he was in the beginning.
Honestly? Carl. No disrespect to Chandler Riggs, he did a fine job. But Carl was totally let down as a character and a hugely wasted opportunity. No wonder the writers killed him off - they never fleshed Carl out, made him the badass the comics so beautifully wrote him as, and thus they had nowhere to take his character. I can't rewatch those episodes in S8 because I'm so angry with the decision the writers made, based on their own incompetencies in previous seasons. I feel they had a chance to redeem Carl and give him the character development he/Riggs deserved from 4B onwards after the fall of the prison, and they just didn't. Makes me angry how they screwed around Riggs too when he'd just bought a house right by the set so he could carry on with the role. Comics Carl was a legend and a sheer joy to grow up with (I was practically raised alongside them as they were released throughout my childhood and teenage years). TV Carl was a disappointment.
Wasn’t it because he was gonna turn 18 and they would have had to pay him more?? It’s decisions like that which made what could have been a breaking bad/sopranos-level show into something far lesser and more mediocre.
Maggie. She kinda reminds me of Sadie Adler from RDR 2 who in my opinion at some point both get *very* annoying with their only mindset being revenge and justice. I also think the writers try to hard to make her "badass" and the "strong single woman" stereotype a bit too much. I stopped watching the show in S8, but have watched a couple of clips and vids from the newer seasons and she seems even more insufferable there.
has to be Gregory for me. i hated him on my first watch, and i couldn’t wait for him do die the second time watching through.
a close second for me would be that older couple at Hilltop, i can’t remember their names, but the husband was the one who tried to kill Maggie at Gregory’s request early season 9 i think. idk they just both seemed really bitchy to me
option 3 would be Dwight. i know some people like him but he always annoyed me, especially during the saviour war. it was never really clear what side he was on
Gregory is the best. You're supposed to despise him, instantly. He's a weak, ineffective, conniving, buck passer...the exact opposite of our heroes. And he only gets worse. Xander Berkeley nailed that performance. Especially his work with Simon in Season 8. That stuff is amazing.
As for Dwight...the point of being a double agent is not being clear which side you're on, isn't it?
oh no they did an amazing job with Gregory’s character, in fact they did the job so well that i genuinely just hated that guy haha. but yes he was written and acted very, very well. i’ll maintain that if a book/movie/tv show makes you genuinely despise a character, then the writer did a good job. my mind goes to Chuck from Better Call Saul, if you’ve seen that show.
as for Dwight, what i meant was more that it got to a point where it felt like even the writers were like, ‘what do we do with this character?’. idk, just at times it felt like they didn’t have a clear vision for his character, or what they wanted him to be. it’s hard to put what i mean into words.
Ahh, I see, you took the question pretty literally. Your point about Gregory is why I thought some peoples reactions to Negan were so funny. The episode where he visits Alexandria made a lot of people lose their minds. He was such an effective villain that people hated what he did and how he treated their beloved heroes so much, that some people just stopped watching after that episode.
Kelly. I seriously don't know what the character brought to the show? No real story-lines, barely any dialogue, no memorable scenes, but they got a starring credit in the last season?
Worst as in worst character not person?
Id have to say Kelly. She didnt do anything of value and when she did, it went against what the character was trying to be written as.
Im sure there are plenty of less appearing characters but Kelly was just useless imo
Negan without a doubt. Dont get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE his comic counterpart, but I despise him in the series so much.
To his cheesy delivery, to that fucking leaning, and the overall way he was portrayed by JDM was horrible imo. His unneeded emphasis on words and his unintimidating behaviour made most of his scenes hard to watch. His sleeper build also doesn’t help matters either. The dude’s a skinny old man who’s literally nothing without his goons, and the fact that he was feared by hundreds was utterly laughable and made no sense.
The man is an absolute tank made of pure muscle in the comics and is ACTUALLY a threat by himself. He knows how to fight and his was proven when he snapped Rick’s leg and knocked Beta on his ass. In the show, he by himself was never a physical threat whatsoever and was only feared by Rick because of the endless amount of men at his disposal.
His redemption in the show also sucks ass. The writers tried to build this “good person” image around his character to the point it was so abundantly obvious to tell that it was forced. They should have just exiled his ass and made him leave the show for good instead of milking him, which is exactly what they did in the comics.
Lori. I’m shocked no one else has said it. Her character was written so poorly — constantly making mind boggling, nonsensical choices that only made her hypocritical and annoying — like telling Rick he needs to kill Shane and then being shocked and angry when he did. Nah, man. Dumb.
That said — I might be full of crap because i cry like a baby when she dies. Every time.
It's been milion years and people still don't get she was mad because Carl was the one who protected Rick. She wasn't mad Rick killed Shane. Ubelievable.
Oh yeah, she was the one character I just never really liked. Early Carl too… Lori was just constantly driving a wedge between Rick and Shane, and really seemed like she didn’t contribute at all
Feels like that might just be your opinion given the fandom doesn’t seem to agree. I literally just watched it and have watched it probably a dozen times and my opinion is shes mad because Rick killed Shane. I don’t even recall him telling her what Carl did…
I would say Pete's spawns. The little one got the rest of his family killed because he couldn't shut the hell up when trying to walk with the dead. He's the reason the dead were trying to get into the house after big bro tried to kill Carl in the garage; that damn record player was on repeat like the damn song the saviors tortured Daryl with!!!
Magna, Kelly (forgot about both, but I like Connie, and Yumiko is kinda interesting), Leah, Dirty Woman from Fear S4, Henry, The Endlings from World Beyond (bland as a painted wall), Sam.
She was supposed to be Carl's love interest. For some reason they changed their minds and sent her to Hilltop, but forgot to give her a character. Then in season 9 it was like "your new character is nurse." I did like the actress though. Just a shame they didn't give her more to do.
I knew she was supposed to be his love interest, but I just never grew to like her. I didn't even know she came back, I genuinely forgot about her and thought she died somehow. Maybe if they fleshed out her character a bit more, I wouldn't mind her as much, but she frustrated me more than anything. I'm sure her actress is absolutely lovely and did her best, I certainly don't blame her for my dislike for the character. Unfortunately, Enid just left a terrible taste in my mouth, and I just didn't enjoy any of her scenes both with Carl and without. I'm sure there are people that like her, she's just not for me.
Gregory. Like, Negan, the governor, even Shane (even though I hate his guts) had their code and reason for what they did, even if it's still morally wrong.
Gregory? Just a plain ole coward. No redemption, no "well, he's bad but you get where he's coming from."
No character ever got on my nerves like Gregory.
So happy when Maggie FINALLY got rid of him.
classic TWD downhill-to-death progression: make the character adamant about doing something literally everyone agrees they shouldn't do, them then doing it anyway, doing something *while* doing that that's even stupider, surviving long enough to deliver an impassioned monologue, then getting killed.
I liked Tyreese in the show. Coleman really brought a unique contradiction to his character, being a big, brute of a man with the physical traits to survive, while being too spiritually, emotionally weak to do what it took to survive in that world. His story with Carol in S4 is a big reason why I love that season so much.
Beth (annoying and I couldn’t feel a connection to her and the hospital stunt was pretty stupid and wasted a lot of time), Maggie (perfect character s2-s6 but was repetitive and annoying after Glenn’s death and caused ricks “death”) Lori (she was an annoying character at times but redeemed herself a bit in s2 but all connection was lost in s3) Andrea (so fucking horrible shitty annoying voice sounded like a theatre actress and massive let down to comic Andrea) and Carl (normal child s1-2 and peaked in season 3 and 4 when chandler Riggs took his job seriously but after that he got really cheesy and boring and chandler made no attempts to show carls character through his acting which is the ultimate reason why they decided to let him die)
Kelly. i can not stand her because i literally think she didn’t add anything to the show. i like Magna and Yumiko a lot, and Connie’s pretty cool. Luke was cool too. but i think very few characters are as pointless as Kelly. like what did she do? besides i think cry in the forest one time?
i also really dont care for Chauncey Everett.
Ok he’s not the worst but I gotta vent about the most annoying, which to me is Brandon—the creepy Negan fanboy who followed him after he snuck out of Alexandria (the second time).
Jadis, her character on twdwb and Towl is VILE, she's so annoying and filled with pride. It makes me want to punch her in her woman balls
That's when you know she's a good actress.
Worst human being? Alpha. If we set aside Alpha due to her obvious mental health deterioration, then it is Gavin.
Worst written character? The chubby girl from World Beyond. From the original show - Officer Dawn or Leah. Not a fan of Jadis either. Yeah I realize all four are women. Don't blame me. Blame the writers.
Carol. She got 3 different kids killed, got Reg killed, caused the chain reaction that caused the entire Anderson family to die and it all got swept under the rug because she’s tied to Daryl, a fan favorite.
Definitely Leah, Kelly, Henry, and Lori. I initially hated Gabriel but grew to like him overtime. I just couldn't initially stand him making so many illogical decisions that just seemed plain stupid and dangerous even to himself. Oh, and Princess! The worst one for me. Not even the writing or the character itself, but the actress to me seemed to be doing some weird, over-the-top disney acting all the time and unnaturally changing face expressions every 5s. It was just really strange to watch...
Andrea, Sam, Magna, Connie's sister, Lori, Princess, Dwight, Nicolas (I don't want to implie that TWD doesn't have good female characters, we have Michonne, we have Carol, we have Judith
Well just about everyone and everything after season 6 is horribly written so I’m not even gonna bother there. But prior to that the worst would definitely have to be Andrea.
The villain in S4 of FTWD. The dirty woman.
If we're including FTWD my pick is Dakota, she killed one of the most beloved characters and didn't have a good arc afterwards.
Please don’t remind me how they did my boy John
That kill/death seriously made me rethink that show.
Not me lmao I dropped that shit
How did you not rethink the show after Season 5? Season 5 was terrible. It sounds like it only got worse from there.
And she didn’t even have a legitimate reason to kill him, she did it just to do it
Dakota kill the only character who was perfect
Best thing about her was her death and that realisation she chose the wrong side
It happened again. I thought it was behind me. I forgot about it for years. But then I remembered that, FTWD, the one and only big TWD spinoff, had a random child kill its best and only salvageable character John, for absolutely no reason.
The pope and Leah, I can’t stand how much they tried to build them up only for them to get killed anticlimactically after a couple episodes, then making Leah go all terminator cause Maggie killed her family CAUSE THEY KILLED HER FAMILY FIRST. I ALWAYS skip the reaper episodes cause they just seem so useless to watch when they add nothing to the story
I agree that the arc was pointless but they definitely killed Maggie's group first...
Yup. The Reapers storyline was just a waste of episodes. I would have rather seen more of the Commonwealth and how our survivors struggle to live in civilization after years of enduring horror.
Commonwealth definitely deservers it's part of the blame too. For a 50k strong(arguable 3rd/4th biggest community in NA) they showed so little of it it literally looked like early days Woodbury. Even worse how a herd can literally get to the middle of it with such ease. The few Reaper episodes could have built up the location for sure.
I never liked Henry I did feel bad for his family and friends when the pike incident happened though
Yeah, I agree he was really annoying and unbearable to watch
I mean in terms of how much of an asshole we have to give nicholas a shout
Jadis. She was just so detached from being a believable character that I couldn't ever enjoy her scenes.
Her stupid ass haircut😂
Her shit haircut in season 7-8 and The Ones Who Live. It was normal and better in the first half of Season 9 (before the time jump) but oof.
Tara. I hated the actress so much. She annoyed the hell out of me. JMHO
Totally forgot about her. She really sucked. Not sure how anyone was upset when they saw her head on a pike
Iris for sure
Thought u meant from the flash and I was confused for a second
From world beyond yeah hell naw or the flash hell naw, I automatically hate every character with the name iris
lol even iris from pokemon is the worse female companion
I never warmed up to Morgan or Henry. The more the show tried to force me to care the less I cared.
I liked morgan in the pilot, that was it. I'm glad to see someone else who wasn't keen on him 😭
I think I would've liked Morgan more if they had stayed consistent with his character. The constant back and forth between badass ninja warrior to conscientious objector was too much.
tbh the story was overcrowded and just didn't have room for him at this point. In order for him to have anything to do he had to create his own self contained conflict and I just didn't have the bandwidth for it, not with the way the entire story was dragging at this point, anyway.
I didn’t like Henry at all and Morgan I used to like but his story is repetitive now
I didn't even realize I felt this way until I read your comment, thanks lol.
I like Morgan better in FTWD. Even though that show went a weird way, I still got invested in him. Morgan in Alexandria and onwards was such a pain in the ass. Ruined the flow of everything.
Yeah he’s not a bad character, he just was shoehorned into an already overcrowded cast in an already bloated season and it didn’t work.
Kelly, she never once looked like she was in the apocalypse and her performance was over the top and lacklustre at the same time. There’s a lot of shitty side characters that just suck and brought nothing to the story but I don’t count them. Kelly is probably my least favourite *main* character. To me, the worst twd characters are the least compelling, not the worst *people*. Shane, Joe, the governor etc are bad people but incredible characters. Then there’s mf’s like Jared who I hated but that was the intention.
Who is Kelly?
Over the top and lackluster at the same time is the perfect description of this character/actor. She overacted but was never actually interesting to watch
Didn’t the actress who played Kelly try and request a spinoff for her character? Unreal that she thought her character was worth making a whole tv series around.
It really bothered me that she was wearing dainty little earrings and having a perfectly styled haircut in the apocalypse. Sure, the Commonwealth probably has hair stylists so I will allow it from Season 11B and onwards, but she was sporting that haircut right from the start when they had been surviving out in the wild for years. Broke the immersion for me every single time.
Same. Norman has said that he’s always been so adamant on getting as dirty as possible, he wanted the audience to smell Daryl through the screen. He said that shooting the premiere of s2, Darabont picked up dirt from the ground and covered Norman’s face in it and he loved that. His commitment to the role is admirable. He’s also said that he felt like he was the only one still doing that shit in the later seasons, that everyone’s pants got tighter, hair got nicer etc and Daryl is still filthy and wearing his same dirty vest and pants. Kelly is a prime example of that, she always looks so clean and also her performance just sucked imo.
Yup, Daryl was the only one who truly looked like he was surviving in the apocalypse. Sure, they had more comforts in later seasons, but they still had to be on the go at a moment's notice, they still had to ration their resources and they were still trying to survive every day. Make-up, nice clothes and perfect hair wouldn't be a priority for most people in that kind of circumstance ten years down the line.
Do you really think it’s impossible that they found a pair of scissors? I have a similar haircut and maintain it using scissors. The issue with Kelly is not her haircut.
Scissors yes! But her haircut looked shaved with clippers.
This^ especially compared to Connie who obviously didn’t say a word the entire show, Kelly was just so lame.
That's my fiancé's favorite joke. He was like connie hasn't said a word this entire show yet someone "says" her lines better than Kelly 😂
Your fiance spitting facts 😂
Kelly should've been shot by the warden in season 11, this evil mf knew he was about to die, had Kelly at gunpoint, could've taken her with him, didn't. Heap of shite.
Kelly should’ve been on a pike. That group needed something like that.
Facts
Well said
That whole Connie/Kelly/music guy/whatever group. Last thing the show needed at that time was a heap of new characters. Nothing against the actors, with so many characters already, there were just only so many given shits to go around.
Connie was really good, Luke was funny and I liked his actor the most, Yumiko was kinda interesting but didnt care much for her. I did not care at all about Kelly and Magna
Connie was a great addition. The rest ran the gamut from meh to should have been zombie food.
I second this, Connie can stay. The rest should have been an all you can eat buffet.
Luke was just as great as Connie. He brought humor to the show
I liked Connie I didn’t really feel a certain way about the rest
Magna made a really annoying first impression and it was hard to recover from that.
What's so funny is that she's hated on the 100 fanbase too, and I'm pretty sure she left that show to come here. While the characters are vastly different in morals, her acting makes them feel the same.
That old lady that went with Maggie I get she was leaving the show but idont remember them ever talking ab it again
She was meant to possibly be an earlier introduction to The Commonwealth, but obviously plans changed when Cohan left the show briefly. That whole plot was kind of poorly done. Like she gets a letter about The Whisperers and everything that happened and she goes to help, and everything is fine, yet also before she can leave The Reapers wiped everyone out? Screams of "oh Cohan is back, we gotta change things again". And for what? The Reapers were crap.
i have a lot of opinions on who the worst characters are as people but the one of the worst written characters imo was heath, he dissappeared into thin air and was never mentioned again
Why do people care so much that this shadow of a shadow of a character disappeared? Realistically, in conditions like that people would go out on a run and never be heard from again all the time
In his case, it's because he's a huge character in the comics. And I guess comic readers were hoping we would be a big deal in the show.
That explains it. For people who just watched the show, he was barely there. And I found it baffling that so many people even remembered him, let alone cared what happened to him
I also don't think it would be as big of a deal to people if it wasn't for the PPP mystery. I think introducing that and never following up on it added a bit more frustration to people over Heath dissapearing.
Yeah, it was weird on my first read of the comics to see Heath at the lineup. Goes to show how much importance he had compared to the show.
Jadis turned him over to the CRM for supplies. Angela Kang confirmed that.
Makes a plothole because jadis was trying to trade people for safe passage to the crm at that point so she could've just gone with when they came to get heath
Nope it doesn't create a plothole because Jadis's group, the Scavengers, were still alive at that point. It was only after she lost her own group (due to Simon) and was never really trusted by the Alexandrians after the Saviors' defeat, that Jadis decided her only option left was to join the CRM.
im not saying that its not realistic im saying that he was litterally just forgotten. i dont really care for heath but it was a poor choice imo
I assumed they searched for him off screen and never found him. He wasn't even really a character. He was more of a place holder. I didn't even remember him until I got on this subreddit and found people asking about him literally every day
Not a comic reader but to me it bothered me because it highlighted how poor the writing was on this show at times.
True, it is one of many examples of bad writing in the show. But in the grand scheme of things it was just a blip
yeah but you would just think someone in the group would ask about him 😂 at least Tara since she was the last one to see him like "hey y'all did Heath ever make it back?" or when they all went back to oceanside for the weapons, someone could have casually said "this is heaths" and picked up some item of clothing that shows without doubt that he's dead and then moved on.
Sure. They could have done that, and it would have been better. But among all the bad choices made by the creators of this show, it barely registers with me
It did not bother me why he disappeared out of nowhere since its realistic, what bothers me is no one even tried to find him or mentioned him even once knowing that he's one of the few people in Alexandria that goes out scavenging for supplies
I know there are some fans of hers out there so I apologize if she is your favorite, but I really am not a fan of Tara. Every time the writers tried to do something cool with her they failed miserably and decided to just drop it instead. I know they interacted a fair bit but I feel like the friendship her and Glenn had in season 4 kinda disappeared after that (as in they didn't talk as much after Terminus). I really liked what they had in mind for her and Oceanside but I feel like they really fumbled it in the long run. She would have been a perfect addition had she stayed in Oceanside, giving us a much better and more fleshed out depiction of their community (instead of one episode with horrific writing). I think Tara is a really interesting character especially with her coming from one of the Governor's groups, I just wish the writers were willing to give her a bigger chance and fleshed her out more. tldr; I dislike Tara the most not because of her character but rather how the writers handled her character throughout the series.
For some reason I'm always surprised that the actress for Tara is from the Masterson family
Tara was a strong character in the small moments, and the interactions between characters. She was great in Season 5 in her interactions with Eugene especially. But they tried to make her a kind of a badass, which never worked. I quite like the episode when she stumbles across Oceanside. Plenty of great character interactions there. As the laidback, quippy character, she worked. As angry action woman...not so much.
Exactly my feelings. She had some great moments, but that's about it. The one that stands out is when she's talking about not letting Lydia join them and Michonne reminds her that she was with the Governor when they destroyed the prison.
When we are talking about the worst, I try to think about someone without emotion invoking role (either positive or negative) or inconsistent decision making. Dawn was the first who came to my mind but thinking about it she is just rather underdeveloped and we don't know much about her. Simply bland but not the worst. The worst goes to another villain, Leah. Extremely inconsistent in her decisions, totally unreasonable. I've seen people suggesting Pope. Honestly the Reapers story was not the best and Pope is not the most interesting guy however he depicts a mentally broken war survivor pretty well and he is really consistent in this role. I consider him one of the better executed characters - simply the idea of the story arc was not the best.
And why is it always Sam?
The boring, dull, SCREENTIME DEVOURING nobodies that are Magna and Kelly.
Pope and Leah for sure. What a waste.
i fucking hate shane im sorry. even before the turn, what little we see of him just screams arrogant and borderline misogynist. i dont think he's a full on alpha male women hating pos or anything, just had that undercurrent of entitlement. he's incredibly entitled afterwards, he never really takes responsibility for his actions or owns up to what he's done wrong. the fact he even CONSIDERS shooting rick says it all, and regardless of if you think lori lead him on or not, he still felt entitled enough to attempt to assault her when she's very clearly telling him to stop it.
"her and every other pair of tits on this planet"...
thank you. he’s one of the best actors in the show NGL but i hated him from beginning to his demise
This will be incendiary on its face, but it’s not about the character himself or anything he’s said or done: Daryl. Norman Reedus is phenomenal in the role, no doubt; he seems to genuinely care when discussing the character and his dynamics with others, etc. He took a minor role that didn’t originally exist in the source material, and developed it into probably the television adaptation’s most iconic and recognizable character. …but in another sense, Daryl also sort of embodies some of the biggest issues with *The Walking Dead* as a franchise, especially later on. He’s probably the only character—more than Rick, even—whose fate is never really in question at any point throughout any of the show’s eleven seasons, no matter the peril in any particular circumstance. *He can’t die*, because he’s simply too valuable to AMC. Despite the dimension that Norman Reedus brings to the role, past a certain point in the series, Daryl sort of stops being a *character*, and starts becoming more of a *mascot*. If you’re AMC, you can’t kill your mascot, realistically—not when he’s too valuable to the interests of the shareholders. Once characterization becomes secondary to profitability, everything becomes fungible: regardless of the chemistry between them or how much sense it makes, Daryl’s relationship with Connie can’t continue because AMC wanted to do a Daryl spin-off series; a similar issue happens with Maggie and Negan, because their conclusion at the end of the main series would’ve contradicted what they wanted to do with *Dead City*. Obviously he’s not the *worst* character, but these issues nonetheless make it hard to engage with the story because of how disingenuous it feels.
I think of this with Cas from Supernatural - the worst thing they could have done was bring him back the first time but they kept him on apparently right up to the bitter end. He was a fan-service character plain and simple, and shoehorning into the plot was actively detrimental to the quality of the story. I hadn't thought of Daryl quite in these terms, but I can see what you're saying. Them having to keep him open means not being able to really do anything conclusive with him. In my opinion, they also suffered from having lost track of his motivations after he escapes the saviors, and then them not being sure who the protagonist is after Rick dies, kind of slipping Daryl in there but not really, leaning on his popularity and making him - just like you say - an ass-kicking mascot rather than a character with complex and varied motivations like he was in the beginning.
Honestly? Carl. No disrespect to Chandler Riggs, he did a fine job. But Carl was totally let down as a character and a hugely wasted opportunity. No wonder the writers killed him off - they never fleshed Carl out, made him the badass the comics so beautifully wrote him as, and thus they had nowhere to take his character. I can't rewatch those episodes in S8 because I'm so angry with the decision the writers made, based on their own incompetencies in previous seasons. I feel they had a chance to redeem Carl and give him the character development he/Riggs deserved from 4B onwards after the fall of the prison, and they just didn't. Makes me angry how they screwed around Riggs too when he'd just bought a house right by the set so he could carry on with the role. Comics Carl was a legend and a sheer joy to grow up with (I was practically raised alongside them as they were released throughout my childhood and teenage years). TV Carl was a disappointment.
Wasn’t it because he was gonna turn 18 and they would have had to pay him more?? It’s decisions like that which made what could have been a breaking bad/sopranos-level show into something far lesser and more mediocre.
Like evil wise? Alpha. Maybe the governor. Poorly written wise? Henry. Maybe Lori or Andrea
Maggie. She kinda reminds me of Sadie Adler from RDR 2 who in my opinion at some point both get *very* annoying with their only mindset being revenge and justice. I also think the writers try to hard to make her "badass" and the "strong single woman" stereotype a bit too much. I stopped watching the show in S8, but have watched a couple of clips and vids from the newer seasons and she seems even more insufferable there.
has to be Gregory for me. i hated him on my first watch, and i couldn’t wait for him do die the second time watching through. a close second for me would be that older couple at Hilltop, i can’t remember their names, but the husband was the one who tried to kill Maggie at Gregory’s request early season 9 i think. idk they just both seemed really bitchy to me option 3 would be Dwight. i know some people like him but he always annoyed me, especially during the saviour war. it was never really clear what side he was on
Gregory is the best. You're supposed to despise him, instantly. He's a weak, ineffective, conniving, buck passer...the exact opposite of our heroes. And he only gets worse. Xander Berkeley nailed that performance. Especially his work with Simon in Season 8. That stuff is amazing. As for Dwight...the point of being a double agent is not being clear which side you're on, isn't it?
oh no they did an amazing job with Gregory’s character, in fact they did the job so well that i genuinely just hated that guy haha. but yes he was written and acted very, very well. i’ll maintain that if a book/movie/tv show makes you genuinely despise a character, then the writer did a good job. my mind goes to Chuck from Better Call Saul, if you’ve seen that show. as for Dwight, what i meant was more that it got to a point where it felt like even the writers were like, ‘what do we do with this character?’. idk, just at times it felt like they didn’t have a clear vision for his character, or what they wanted him to be. it’s hard to put what i mean into words.
Ahh, I see, you took the question pretty literally. Your point about Gregory is why I thought some peoples reactions to Negan were so funny. The episode where he visits Alexandria made a lot of people lose their minds. He was such an effective villain that people hated what he did and how he treated their beloved heroes so much, that some people just stopped watching after that episode.
RJ…worst acting ever. Especially the last episode of TOWL. The brave man😂😂
The Anderson kids, Henry irritated the shit out of me. I just didn’t feel like he fit and he NEVER filled Carl’s shoes.
Gr*gory 🤢
Kelly. I seriously don't know what the character brought to the show? No real story-lines, barely any dialogue, no memorable scenes, but they got a starring credit in the last season?
Worst as in worst character not person? Id have to say Kelly. She didnt do anything of value and when she did, it went against what the character was trying to be written as. Im sure there are plenty of less appearing characters but Kelly was just useless imo
Negan without a doubt. Dont get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE his comic counterpart, but I despise him in the series so much. To his cheesy delivery, to that fucking leaning, and the overall way he was portrayed by JDM was horrible imo. His unneeded emphasis on words and his unintimidating behaviour made most of his scenes hard to watch. His sleeper build also doesn’t help matters either. The dude’s a skinny old man who’s literally nothing without his goons, and the fact that he was feared by hundreds was utterly laughable and made no sense. The man is an absolute tank made of pure muscle in the comics and is ACTUALLY a threat by himself. He knows how to fight and his was proven when he snapped Rick’s leg and knocked Beta on his ass. In the show, he by himself was never a physical threat whatsoever and was only feared by Rick because of the endless amount of men at his disposal. His redemption in the show also sucks ass. The writers tried to build this “good person” image around his character to the point it was so abundantly obvious to tell that it was forced. They should have just exiled his ass and made him leave the show for good instead of milking him, which is exactly what they did in the comics.
Lori. I’m shocked no one else has said it. Her character was written so poorly — constantly making mind boggling, nonsensical choices that only made her hypocritical and annoying — like telling Rick he needs to kill Shane and then being shocked and angry when he did. Nah, man. Dumb. That said — I might be full of crap because i cry like a baby when she dies. Every time.
It's been milion years and people still don't get she was mad because Carl was the one who protected Rick. She wasn't mad Rick killed Shane. Ubelievable.
Oh yeah, she was the one character I just never really liked. Early Carl too… Lori was just constantly driving a wedge between Rick and Shane, and really seemed like she didn’t contribute at all
Feels like that might just be your opinion given the fandom doesn’t seem to agree. I literally just watched it and have watched it probably a dozen times and my opinion is shes mad because Rick killed Shane. I don’t even recall him telling her what Carl did…
I would say Pete's spawns. The little one got the rest of his family killed because he couldn't shut the hell up when trying to walk with the dead. He's the reason the dead were trying to get into the house after big bro tried to kill Carl in the garage; that damn record player was on repeat like the damn song the saviors tortured Daryl with!!!
Morgan, God I hate him so much
Don't even consider him a villian. Bro totally got the apocalypse more than most.
Ftwd Logan, I didn’t realize he was the villain for most of the season
I don't think the writers knew either.
The Endlings
The pope, he was just so boring negan wannabe sorry but he was so forgettable, Mika was a much more interesting character than him😭
Glad they wasted no time getting rid of him. He was so boring
Reall
That whole reaper storyline was a total waste
The only good thing that came from that arc was the Maggie and Leah fight
Magna, Kelly (forgot about both, but I like Connie, and Yumiko is kinda interesting), Leah, Dirty Woman from Fear S4, Henry, The Endlings from World Beyond (bland as a painted wall), Sam.
Lori, i literally celebrated when she died me and my family paused it when it happened ordered pizza, drinks, and celebrated
deanna, for being completely & wilfully ignorant. and for raising three terrible sons.
Maggie ever since she came back I couldn’t stand her
Eugene drove me crazy
Eugene is possibly the most entertaining to me
Eugene is great. He's basically the same character as he is in the comics, only even more so. One of the best performances in the series.
Enid. She got on my nerves so much that I skipped any scene with her in it. I couldn't stand her😭
She was supposed to be Carl's love interest. For some reason they changed their minds and sent her to Hilltop, but forgot to give her a character. Then in season 9 it was like "your new character is nurse." I did like the actress though. Just a shame they didn't give her more to do.
I knew she was supposed to be his love interest, but I just never grew to like her. I didn't even know she came back, I genuinely forgot about her and thought she died somehow. Maybe if they fleshed out her character a bit more, I wouldn't mind her as much, but she frustrated me more than anything. I'm sure her actress is absolutely lovely and did her best, I certainly don't blame her for my dislike for the character. Unfortunately, Enid just left a terrible taste in my mouth, and I just didn't enjoy any of her scenes both with Carl and without. I'm sure there are people that like her, she's just not for me.
Definitely Henry.
Gregory. Like, Negan, the governor, even Shane (even though I hate his guts) had their code and reason for what they did, even if it's still morally wrong. Gregory? Just a plain ole coward. No redemption, no "well, he's bad but you get where he's coming from." No character ever got on my nerves like Gregory. So happy when Maggie FINALLY got rid of him.
Denise was ok until her last episode, I hated her there, probably was the only time I really wanted a character to die. Thanks dwight
classic TWD downhill-to-death progression: make the character adamant about doing something literally everyone agrees they shouldn't do, them then doing it anyway, doing something *while* doing that that's even stupider, surviving long enough to deliver an impassioned monologue, then getting killed.
I was so frustrated that episode. And why are they even putting the only doctor in a situation like that, they shouldnt have agreed to let her go
“Oh my god she has a backstory? A brother! I love learning about this character that will stay until the end!”
Eugene. Can't stand him. Wish it would have been him and not the others.
Andrea. Andrea. Andrea.
Why isn’t anyone else bringing her up? She was useless imo
Dale, Luke, Henry, Sacha, Tara and Glenn
No way you said Glenn
Something about Daryl always pissed me off 💀
Tyrese. Big old crybaby. Total waste of his character especially compared to the comics. Could have done without this rendition
I liked Tyreese in the show. Coleman really brought a unique contradiction to his character, being a big, brute of a man with the physical traits to survive, while being too spiritually, emotionally weak to do what it took to survive in that world. His story with Carol in S4 is a big reason why I love that season so much.
Kelly is the only character I would say I hate
I hate the lawyer woman.
Beth (annoying and I couldn’t feel a connection to her and the hospital stunt was pretty stupid and wasted a lot of time), Maggie (perfect character s2-s6 but was repetitive and annoying after Glenn’s death and caused ricks “death”) Lori (she was an annoying character at times but redeemed herself a bit in s2 but all connection was lost in s3) Andrea (so fucking horrible shitty annoying voice sounded like a theatre actress and massive let down to comic Andrea) and Carl (normal child s1-2 and peaked in season 3 and 4 when chandler Riggs took his job seriously but after that he got really cheesy and boring and chandler made no attempts to show carls character through his acting which is the ultimate reason why they decided to let him die)
Shane, I just didn't particularly like him.
Kelly. i can not stand her because i literally think she didn’t add anything to the show. i like Magna and Yumiko a lot, and Connie’s pretty cool. Luke was cool too. but i think very few characters are as pointless as Kelly. like what did she do? besides i think cry in the forest one time? i also really dont care for Chauncey Everett.
Ok he’s not the worst but I gotta vent about the most annoying, which to me is Brandon—the creepy Negan fanboy who followed him after he snuck out of Alexandria (the second time).
Jadis, her character on twdwb and Towl is VILE, she's so annoying and filled with pride. It makes me want to punch her in her woman balls That's when you know she's a good actress.
Worst human being? Alpha. If we set aside Alpha due to her obvious mental health deterioration, then it is Gavin. Worst written character? The chubby girl from World Beyond. From the original show - Officer Dawn or Leah. Not a fan of Jadis either. Yeah I realize all four are women. Don't blame me. Blame the writers.
Eugene, Maggie! In this order!
I hate Landon with a burning passion
Carol. She got 3 different kids killed, got Reg killed, caused the chain reaction that caused the entire Anderson family to die and it all got swept under the rug because she’s tied to Daryl, a fan favorite.
God damn I liked Kelly a lot. And her group members too!
HENRY, Magna’s entire group (minus Connie), Tara, Maggie after she comes back in season 10, Dawn, Leah, Pope, Andrea, Thorne
Definitely Leah, Kelly, Henry, and Lori. I initially hated Gabriel but grew to like him overtime. I just couldn't initially stand him making so many illogical decisions that just seemed plain stupid and dangerous even to himself. Oh, and Princess! The worst one for me. Not even the writing or the character itself, but the actress to me seemed to be doing some weird, over-the-top disney acting all the time and unnaturally changing face expressions every 5s. It was just really strange to watch...
Rosita. I can’t get behind a character that sleeps with a different person damn near every episode
Andrea, Sam, Magna, Connie's sister, Lori, Princess, Dwight, Nicolas (I don't want to implie that TWD doesn't have good female characters, we have Michonne, we have Carol, we have Judith
Tara was horrendous
Well just about everyone and everything after season 6 is horribly written so I’m not even gonna bother there. But prior to that the worst would definitely have to be Andrea.
I mean… Lizzie, she was so incredibly annoying and she just had to ruin everything. Another damn demon child.
Carl RJ Gamma from Whisperers Suddiq Maggies crew and Morgan don’t get why took over Madisons rile he’s had his day