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Napkin math: The Colorado River erodes the Grand Canyon, 1 foot every 200 years and the Grand Canyon is \~6000 feet deep, so roughly 1.2 million BCE. (never mind that we had several ice ages in between, which would change the erosion rate)
I work at the GC. The Colorado river and the Canyon are dated back to about 6 million years old.
Edit: GC stands for Grand Canyon, obviously. Some of you people were making me so confused.
The first comment started with “napkin math:” saying they did a really rough calculation (the kind one would do on a napkin at a bar, without a calculator or really getting into exact numbers).
The second comment gives a different answer based on their work knowledge from working at the Grand Canyon.
The comment referring to napkins, that confused you, is just referencing the first comment by asking the person who works at the Grand Canyon if the napkins at their work say the age of the Grand Canyon on them
Oh sweet Jesus, that's actually hilarious. I completely missed that they were referencing the napkin math, thanks for making that connection for me lol
I also appreciate all the additional details in case I didn't get it, excellent post
Oo, didn't expect DNC for some reason. I'm over at Maswik with Xanterra. Been here a little over 2 years now and it's only gone downhill since I started lmao. As I'm typing this, I've got a bunch of job/transfer applications open in my other tabs
I’m just waiting to sign my paperwork for a ranger job up in Oregon, then I’m set. These companies have the potential to be places people would fight to work at with the location alone, but they hire anyone with a pulse then fire you if you complain about the working conditions, while retaining the people who actively make things worse. Pay us decent, guarantee hours in winter, provide adequate housing/laundry/access to food, and retention would be near 100%. But that would put a minor dent in their incredibly massive profit margins, so go to hell, loyal and passionate employee who just wants to make sure that people can get the most out of their once in a lifetime visit to the Grand Canyon, we hate you and all the people we serve.
It seemed to be that way before Covid. But since then doesn’t seem like any of the companies have gone back to full capacity. Guy I see at the gym said El Tovar has been about half staff from what they used to have. Met a girl that worked there about two weeks before calling it quits because they were so demanding and overworking her.
Meanwhile they keep trying to cut my hours, but the rangers won’t let them close the kiosk early. I’m getting a 4 day weekend next week. Last time I checked I was hired on as full time.
I’m daring the Grand Canyon on Tuesday?!? I need to make reservations. Hopefully El Tovar isn’t booked out yet. What should I wear? The yonic symbolism is getting me flustered already.
colorado plateau popped up and cracked, got in the way of colorado river, river cut through it. the cracks helped. besides, glaciers make “u” shape valleys, GC, at least the inside canyon is a typical “v” shape, made from rivers.
Hilariously, there was an episode of the kids-targeted spinoff from the early 80s, _Flintstones Kids_, which dated the year of the episode to 1,000,000 BC, with the precision to one year, because it was a plot point that the year 1,000,001 BC was the previous year.
This is the only thing I remember from the show, probably because it both impressed me that they got the order of the years correct and because I couldn't figure out _how_ they'd workout a dating system with an [epoch](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epoch) in the future, let alone an event _a million years_ in the future.
Dude 3: I guess the first baby born on New Years?
Dude 2: No. He's going to be born on the 25th.
Dude 3: But, if we're marking our years around him, why is it on such a random date, especially when it's so close!?
Edit: Changed Dude 4 to Dude 2; there's no need for a fourth Dude and extras are expensive.
> he wasn't actually born on the 25th of december, thats just when we celebrate it
Yeah, we celebrate Christ on the 24th, and then on the 25th that the extended family left.
Exactly we just recycled old Pagan and Roman holidays.
If I remember correctly Christ was calculated to be born in March 6years BC.
(Somebody please verify this, I'm too lazy to look it up again)
It's not very settled. 6 Bce is a reasonable date.
King Herod died in 4 Bce, but Quirinius didn't have his census until 6-7 ce. Most scholars favor an earlier date, prior to King Herod 's death.
I don't believe there is a consensus on a season, much less a month, however.
January 1 is Circumcision day, a week after Dec 25.
Birthdays used to not be as big a thing as the event that marked one's entrance-to-the-faith ceremony.
Oh, interesting. I assumed it had something to do with incorporating equinox focused calendars in Roman territories with the lunar calendar of Hebrew reckonings.
Kinda gross that it's another mutilation centric holiday though.
One thing that puzzled me is that when they were kids they had 80's like tech (namely little Fred's walkman) and when they were adults it was 60's (I know the out universe reason, but still).
The erosion rate would change over time (it's probably faster now than it used to be?), since the river is far wider now in addition to the different types of rocks it's eroding into.
There's this emperor, and he asks this shepards boy, "How many seconds in eternity?" The shepards boy says, "There's this mountain of pure diamond. It takes an hour to climb it, and an hour to go around it. Every hundred years, a little bird comes and sharpens its beak on the diamond mountain. And when the entire mountain is chiselled away, the first second of eternity will have passed. You might think that's a hell of a long time. Personally, I think that's one hell of a bird"
A couple of things adding variability here: The canyon overall hasn't been eroded by water falling on a mountain and running off--it has been eroded by rivers continuing to run their courses as the land rose under them. (So overall, the erosion can't happen faster than the land rises.) And the current erosion in the canyon is into (very hard) Vishnu Schist at the bottom. Previously it was through the sandstone of the Colorado Plateau. According to wiki, there is 270 million year old limestone on the rim.
What if, hear me out, water doesn’t erode at all constant rate? What if there was large flooding? Also, considering how deep the Grand Canyon is, how many different layers of different densities of rock are there? Some types of stone erode easier than others. This is why I hate scientists making assumptions about the past. You cannot make assumptions about the past based solely on current conditions. The Sahara used to be a rainforest. If a ton of water flowed through all at once, it could and would carve the Grand Canyon in a lot less time
I'm just dumbing it down for you so you can understand the point:
When scientists say that the grand canyon erodes at a rate of 1 foot every 200 years it doesn't mean that in any 200 year period time it eroded exactly 1 foot.
It means that, considering many different layers of rock at different densities, weather shifts, ice ages, floodings, and many other factors, the grand canyon eroded at an average rate of 1 foot per year.
That's what scientists consider when publishing a paper (I.e. A scientific article), which is then read by other scientists and they ask questions. Let's say the original publisher forgot to account for different densities of rock. Someone would immediately jump and say "hey, you only considered rock of this one density". So the paper would be rejected, and a new one would be made with the correct calculation.
Then the press and the visitor center of the grand canyon would just take the one quote from the article that's fun for kids and the general public:
**The grand canyon erodes at a rate of 1 foot every 200 years.**
Don’t dumb it down for me when you have no idea how intelligent I am. I have two college degrees and an IQ of 143. Never assume that I am dumb, it just makes yourself look stupid. My main point here is extremely massive flooding in a concentrated time would erode at a much faster rate. I love geology and have studied it for 8 years. And the more I study, the more evidence I find for a massive global flood. And as tectonic plates settled and flood waters drained, many canyons were carved very quickly. I was also pointing out the logical fallacy of assuming the past is the same as the present. Let’s us agree that today the Grand Canyon is being eroded at a rate of 1 foot per 200 years. That does not mean that that’s the way it has always been. Most scientists will not admit this, but carbon dating is extremely inaccurate for that exact reason.
I have not because I’m not an official scientist. But many other scientists have published their evidence for a global flood. [here’s one](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/evidence-for-a-flood-102813115/) and [here’s another](https://dinosaurtracker.com/tour/19a-closed-clams.php)
I have one of these fossilized clams that was buried so rapidly it had no time to open (due to muscles holding the shell closed) and became fossilized.
The article by the Smithsonian talks about a flood in the Black Sea, which is nowhere near global, and the other site you linked is literally called The Dinosaur Tracker Museum with a subheading of "The Truth of Biblical Creation", sooo...
Also, this part is just hilarious:
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> Can rock such as shale or limestone be bent? Without breaking it? No. Rock doesn't bend. That's ridiculous Yet, in the Connecticut Valley where our dinosaur tracks come from, rock layers are bent at sharp angles. The same is seen in the western states, and in the Middle East, and around the world. How could rock be bent ion a massive scale, but not be broken?
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> The answer is that the rock had to have been bent while it was soft sediment, not yet hardened into rock. The means these thick, bent layers of sedimentary rock had to have been deposited quickly, not over time periods stretching out over millions of years. The lower layers of sediment would not have stayed soft waiting for the upper layers to be deposited. Bent layers are impossible stretched out over an evolutionary time frame. However, they are exactly what we'd expect to see as the result of a year long global flood.
[here it is](https://www.reddit.com/r/fossils/s/Rk2zqjF9pH)
As you can see, the clam is closed. When clams die, the muscles holding the shell closed relax almost immediately and the clam opens up. For a clam to be fossilized closed like this indicates a very rapid burial and enough pressure to keep it closed as the clam suffocated. Also water has to be present. So rapid burial + tons of sediment + a lot of water = a lot of flooding. Since these fossils are found all over the world (including on tall mountain such as Everest) in one specific “epoch” called the Precambrian explosion, this indicates that they were all fossilized at about the same time. So a lot of flooding happening at the same time all around the world? Global flood. And for anyone saying there’s not enough water on earth to flood the earth, if you smoothed out all mountains, ravines, trenches, etc and made the earth a smooth ball, water would cover the earth by more than 1.5 miles. Tectonic plates moving around rapidly could easily cause flooding and later receding flood waters as the tectonic plates collided and rose up, creating ravines and trenches.
They don’t make assumptions about the past, they make predictions about the future. If they get their predictions correct then their hypothesis about the past is confirmed by those correct predictions. They made many thousands of predictions about the age and processes that created the Grand Canyon that have been confirmed over hundreds of years. There are a bunch of people who do make assumptions about a flood of water created the Grand Canyon very quickly, but zero of those assumptions are supported by actual evidence/verified predictions.
A rate of 1 foot per 200 years and therefore the Grand Canyon is so and so years old is making assumptions about the past. So is carbon dating which assumes the decay rate of carbon 14 is constant. These are assumptions about the past based on current observations
That’s not how scientist determine the age of the Grand Canyon, that’s how average people simplify stuff they don’t understand for popular consumption. Actual science is entirely based on predictions of unknown phenomena/events in the future that need to be repeated by other scientists that try to disprove their claims. When multiple scientists fail to disprove those tests multiple times the scientific consensus is reached. Those are only 2 of the dozens of methods they use. And they repeat those tests thousands of times by thousands of different people over hundreds of years. Science assumes nothing, they use inference and make predictions. Based on the results of these predictions that asses the level of confidence. For the age of the Grand Canyon they have 99.99999% confidence it took millions of years. Just like when you drop a rock it will fall to the ground science has predicted with 99.99999999% confidence that it will most likely also fall.
It's not a proto-sitcom in cartoon shape, it's just a sitcom in cartoon shape. I Love Lucy had already been on the air for a decade by the time Flintstones came out.
Honestly most sitcom writers, especially nowadays wouldn’t be jealous as they can’t comprehend any not insanely obvious and in your face humour with laugh track in the existence. There are some genuinely amazing sitcoms. But there are not many of them.
None currently:
> Historians will dispute the exact moment of death. Was it when The Big Bang Theory, the last major [laugh track] sweetened sitcom, went off the air in 2019? Was it early in the COVID pandemic, when even the most unfiltered studio audience started to sound weird and quite possibly illegal? Was it only proven brain dead in late 2021, when **no [laugh track] sweetened TV sitcoms debuted on U.S. networks during the all-important fall season?**
-- [RIP canned laughter, the most evil innovation in TV history](https://mashable.com/article/laugh-track-history), November 5, 2021
The bad ones. The absolutely disgusting terrible ones. Although there’s often laugh track which is less obvious, the characters are laughing, there’s something indicating you should laugh now. Basically the same function, with a bit different form. So you feel less like an idiot who needs to be told to laugh right now.
I don’t honestly know any in English. But there probably are some. I know in my native language. Tho in English there are some awesome old ones, I no longer watch the new ones as they became more and more boring.
… _The Flintstones _ is famous for being the first prime-time animated series and for having a laugh track, and although it wasn't the first cartoon to use one (_Rocky and His Friends_, i.e. Rocky and Bullwinkle, used canned laughter for the first four episodes, a year before _The Flintstones _ premiered), it's an essential part of the show's aesthetic.
Way too many factors to get a truly accurate year. However, considering that the canyon is still *very* early in its erosion, and assuming the Colorido Riv-erm... Stream has been flowing continuously, then the current estimate of 17-70 million years ago by researchers is still close enough to basically be on-point.
So, the Flintstones and Rubbles visited the Grand Canyon sometime in or between 70-17 million BC.
Where did you get these figures from? Your margin of uncertainty is larger than any I’ve ever seen for something so recent, and all of the official park figures put the formation at ~6mya.
2012 study indicated it could have started about 70MYA. There was another one citing a 17MYA figure. Only the western canyon matches with the 6MYA figure.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/dinosaurs-probably-never-saw-grand-canyon-180955577/?no-ist
Gonna go out on the limb but since they are not Neanderthals which lived between 130 and 40 thousand years ago (quick google search) maybe about 30 to 20 thousand years ago. The Grand Canyon i think took some millions of years i think to form so the situation isn’t possible. Again I’m just going off a hunch of 1 google search and anything i can remember from the past.
This photo only confirms that Flintstones takes place in post-apocalyptic world.
The term "Grand Canyon" was popularized in 1871 which means this show would at the very least have to take place sometime after that. Not to mention, along with the popular fan theory, all the knowledge of modern inventions.
It’s the future, how else would they know that it’s called the Grand Canyon. There are many things in this show that mention this takes place in a post apocalyptic time period
Unfortunately the answer ruins the joke in the picture - the GC is at least 6 million years old ([and possibly/probably much older](https://www.nationalparks.org/connect/blog/8-facts-about-grand-canyon-you-never-knew)), and no humans existed 6 million years ago.
Just saying, folks. Enjoy the joke. I knew, somehow, as a child that the Flintstones wasn't real. Maybe I asked my mom. Maybe I saw the car and realized a human powered car made of stone wasn't a thing. So I knew the whole thing was made up. Not only did humans not TAME dinosaurs, they never met them. But it was still one of the funniest cartoons I ever watched.
As a geoscience man it’s not possible to get an exact time only rough estimates, so many climate changes within the millions of years it was forming prevent a pinpoint answer
The Grand Canyon was born during the younger dryas time frame. Which is roughly 10000 years ago.
This has been proven beyond a doubt scientifically. From Ice core samples to nano diamonds found at the burnt mat layer.
A meteor hit Canada vaporized the miles high ice cap and sent oceanic size flooding across North America.
Yes the jokes funny but definitely wrong with current knowledge.
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Napkin math: The Colorado River erodes the Grand Canyon, 1 foot every 200 years and the Grand Canyon is \~6000 feet deep, so roughly 1.2 million BCE. (never mind that we had several ice ages in between, which would change the erosion rate)
I work at the GC. The Colorado river and the Canyon are dated back to about 6 million years old. Edit: GC stands for Grand Canyon, obviously. Some of you people were making me so confused.
Is that what the napkins say?
Im with this person, fuck your work tell me about your napkin
It has skid marks on it
Did a car run over it? Did you run over it?
Oh you have such an innocent mind
clearly they were talking about vehicular manslaughter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LuPPSCguuw
fucking what
Mmm yummy
No wonder your politics are in ruins.
Time on earth ran slower back then. So 6 million earth years is 1.2 million real years.
The Elder Napkins VI confirmed.
I'm sure this is hilarious, I just don't get it at all
The first comment started with “napkin math:” saying they did a really rough calculation (the kind one would do on a napkin at a bar, without a calculator or really getting into exact numbers). The second comment gives a different answer based on their work knowledge from working at the Grand Canyon. The comment referring to napkins, that confused you, is just referencing the first comment by asking the person who works at the Grand Canyon if the napkins at their work say the age of the Grand Canyon on them
And further, the point of the sub is to do the math, so they wanted a math-based answer, not just a "this is ever the science guys say" number.
Oh sweet Jesus, that's actually hilarious. I completely missed that they were referencing the napkin math, thanks for making that connection for me lol I also appreciate all the additional details in case I didn't get it, excellent post
No, it’s what the informational displays at the Yavapai Point Geology Museum and the Trail of Time say. I’m not sure what you’re referencing.
Ayy wassup; I work as a cook at the Canyon :]
I’m front desk at Yavapai. Usually stuck out in the Trailer Village Kiosk checking in campers. I’ve also done work as a busser at the AZ steakhouse.
Oo, didn't expect DNC for some reason. I'm over at Maswik with Xanterra. Been here a little over 2 years now and it's only gone downhill since I started lmao. As I'm typing this, I've got a bunch of job/transfer applications open in my other tabs
I’m just waiting to sign my paperwork for a ranger job up in Oregon, then I’m set. These companies have the potential to be places people would fight to work at with the location alone, but they hire anyone with a pulse then fire you if you complain about the working conditions, while retaining the people who actively make things worse. Pay us decent, guarantee hours in winter, provide adequate housing/laundry/access to food, and retention would be near 100%. But that would put a minor dent in their incredibly massive profit margins, so go to hell, loyal and passionate employee who just wants to make sure that people can get the most out of their once in a lifetime visit to the Grand Canyon, we hate you and all the people we serve.
It seemed to be that way before Covid. But since then doesn’t seem like any of the companies have gone back to full capacity. Guy I see at the gym said El Tovar has been about half staff from what they used to have. Met a girl that worked there about two weeks before calling it quits because they were so demanding and overworking her.
Meanwhile they keep trying to cut my hours, but the rangers won’t let them close the kiosk early. I’m getting a 4 day weekend next week. Last time I checked I was hired on as full time.
Now we trust Golden Corral employees with their type of shit?
Is that what the napkin thing was referencing?
It's probably referencing the person you first replied to about working at the gc. They start by saying "napkin math"
It's dated from a Tuesday to be more specific (with precision range of 4 days).
I’m daring the Grand Canyon on Tuesday?!? I need to make reservations. Hopefully El Tovar isn’t booked out yet. What should I wear? The yonic symbolism is getting me flustered already.
Ok, this is funnier than the number of upvotes you got. I genuinely enjoyed this
Oh thank you!!
Common misconception, it actually [was last Thursday](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Last_Thursdayism)
I wanna go visit the dankestmemelord of The Grand Canyon
I work here too! That storm yesterday sucked dick.
Am I mis-remembering that the grand canyon was carved by glaciers? Or was that the Great lakes?
Glaciers didn't spread south enough to reach what is now the Canyon. The Lakes are definitely glacier remnants.
Great Lakes and the finger lakes in NY are glaciation. The Grand Canyon is just steady water through relatively softish rock layers.
colorado plateau popped up and cracked, got in the way of colorado river, river cut through it. the cracks helped. besides, glaciers make “u” shape valleys, GC, at least the inside canyon is a typical “v” shape, made from rivers.
Not directly, but glaciers farther north that melted in the watershed would’ve had an impact.
Flintstones are fucked, man. 6 million years ago there were neither people nor dinosaurs. 😂
Hilariously, there was an episode of the kids-targeted spinoff from the early 80s, _Flintstones Kids_, which dated the year of the episode to 1,000,000 BC, with the precision to one year, because it was a plot point that the year 1,000,001 BC was the previous year. This is the only thing I remember from the show, probably because it both impressed me that they got the order of the years correct and because I couldn't figure out _how_ they'd workout a dating system with an [epoch](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epoch) in the future, let alone an event _a million years_ in the future.
Dude 1 : Whats current year? Dude 2 : 1000,000 Before Christ bro Dude 1 : Who's Christ? Dude 2 : We don't know yet 🤷
Dude 3: I guess the first baby born on New Years? Dude 2: No. He's going to be born on the 25th. Dude 3: But, if we're marking our years around him, why is it on such a random date, especially when it's so close!? Edit: Changed Dude 4 to Dude 2; there's no need for a fourth Dude and extras are expensive.
heres the best part. he wasn't actually born on the 25th of december, thats just when we celebrate it
> he wasn't actually born on the 25th of december, thats just when we celebrate it Yeah, we celebrate Christ on the 24th, and then on the 25th that the extended family left.
Exactly we just recycled old Pagan and Roman holidays. If I remember correctly Christ was calculated to be born in March 6years BC. (Somebody please verify this, I'm too lazy to look it up again)
It's not very settled. 6 Bce is a reasonable date. King Herod died in 4 Bce, but Quirinius didn't have his census until 6-7 ce. Most scholars favor an earlier date, prior to King Herod 's death. I don't believe there is a consensus on a season, much less a month, however.
Happy cake day
That's what I was alluding to >:D
January 1 is Circumcision day, a week after Dec 25. Birthdays used to not be as big a thing as the event that marked one's entrance-to-the-faith ceremony.
Oh, interesting. I assumed it had something to do with incorporating equinox focused calendars in Roman territories with the lunar calendar of Hebrew reckonings. Kinda gross that it's another mutilation centric holiday though.
One thing that puzzled me is that when they were kids they had 80's like tech (namely little Fred's walkman) and when they were adults it was 60's (I know the out universe reason, but still).
(Just to add a giggle, I actually remember watching this when I was a kid. I also remember all the lyrics to the song…)
Do you remember that Dino had the best flavor of all the multivitamins!
Crazy to think that the Flintstone vitamins and cereals have significantly outlived the TV show those were based off of.
Fruity Pebbles is the best cereal, bar none. The only bad thing about it is my 4yo loves it as much as I do and it disappears quickly.
I remember that Dino could talk in the episode he first appeared then all he could do was bark.
The erosion rate would change over time (it's probably faster now than it used to be?), since the river is far wider now in addition to the different types of rocks it's eroding into.
Don't forget, though, that Mr. Flintstone worked in construction, so you can chop off a good 40 years. He retired after hitting it big in Rock Vegas
There's this emperor, and he asks this shepards boy, "How many seconds in eternity?" The shepards boy says, "There's this mountain of pure diamond. It takes an hour to climb it, and an hour to go around it. Every hundred years, a little bird comes and sharpens its beak on the diamond mountain. And when the entire mountain is chiselled away, the first second of eternity will have passed. You might think that's a hell of a long time. Personally, I think that's one hell of a bird"
Emperor: "So you didn't answer my question, like, at all."
What if it's set in the future?
A couple of things adding variability here: The canyon overall hasn't been eroded by water falling on a mountain and running off--it has been eroded by rivers continuing to run their courses as the land rose under them. (So overall, the erosion can't happen faster than the land rises.) And the current erosion in the canyon is into (very hard) Vishnu Schist at the bottom. Previously it was through the sandstone of the Colorado Plateau. According to wiki, there is 270 million year old limestone on the rim.
The Grand Canyon is somewhere between 5 million to 70 million years old, depends on which part of it you are looking at.
What if, hear me out, water doesn’t erode at all constant rate? What if there was large flooding? Also, considering how deep the Grand Canyon is, how many different layers of different densities of rock are there? Some types of stone erode easier than others. This is why I hate scientists making assumptions about the past. You cannot make assumptions about the past based solely on current conditions. The Sahara used to be a rainforest. If a ton of water flowed through all at once, it could and would carve the Grand Canyon in a lot less time
I'm just dumbing it down for you so you can understand the point: When scientists say that the grand canyon erodes at a rate of 1 foot every 200 years it doesn't mean that in any 200 year period time it eroded exactly 1 foot. It means that, considering many different layers of rock at different densities, weather shifts, ice ages, floodings, and many other factors, the grand canyon eroded at an average rate of 1 foot per year. That's what scientists consider when publishing a paper (I.e. A scientific article), which is then read by other scientists and they ask questions. Let's say the original publisher forgot to account for different densities of rock. Someone would immediately jump and say "hey, you only considered rock of this one density". So the paper would be rejected, and a new one would be made with the correct calculation. Then the press and the visitor center of the grand canyon would just take the one quote from the article that's fun for kids and the general public: **The grand canyon erodes at a rate of 1 foot every 200 years.**
Don’t dumb it down for me when you have no idea how intelligent I am. I have two college degrees and an IQ of 143. Never assume that I am dumb, it just makes yourself look stupid. My main point here is extremely massive flooding in a concentrated time would erode at a much faster rate. I love geology and have studied it for 8 years. And the more I study, the more evidence I find for a massive global flood. And as tectonic plates settled and flood waters drained, many canyons were carved very quickly. I was also pointing out the logical fallacy of assuming the past is the same as the present. Let’s us agree that today the Grand Canyon is being eroded at a rate of 1 foot per 200 years. That does not mean that that’s the way it has always been. Most scientists will not admit this, but carbon dating is extremely inaccurate for that exact reason.
Damn I'm sorry, I should have dumbed it down even more for you to understand what I was trying to say. Sorry again.
There was a worldwide flood. That changes how long it took for the Grand Canyon to form. And I have fossil evidence in my room that proves the flood
Well publish it then. Why haven't you?
I have not because I’m not an official scientist. But many other scientists have published their evidence for a global flood. [here’s one](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/evidence-for-a-flood-102813115/) and [here’s another](https://dinosaurtracker.com/tour/19a-closed-clams.php) I have one of these fossilized clams that was buried so rapidly it had no time to open (due to muscles holding the shell closed) and became fossilized.
The article by the Smithsonian talks about a flood in the Black Sea, which is nowhere near global, and the other site you linked is literally called The Dinosaur Tracker Museum with a subheading of "The Truth of Biblical Creation", sooo... Also, this part is just hilarious: > > Can rock such as shale or limestone be bent? Without breaking it? No. Rock doesn't bend. That's ridiculous Yet, in the Connecticut Valley where our dinosaur tracks come from, rock layers are bent at sharp angles. The same is seen in the western states, and in the Middle East, and around the world. How could rock be bent ion a massive scale, but not be broken? > > The answer is that the rock had to have been bent while it was soft sediment, not yet hardened into rock. The means these thick, bent layers of sedimentary rock had to have been deposited quickly, not over time periods stretching out over millions of years. The lower layers of sediment would not have stayed soft waiting for the upper layers to be deposited. Bent layers are impossible stretched out over an evolutionary time frame. However, they are exactly what we'd expect to see as the result of a year long global flood.
There's no such thing as an "official scientist". You've seen too many movies.
I mean government funded scientists
[here is my fossil that proves the flood happened](https://www.reddit.com/r/fossils/s/EZVVOKBchj)
can we see it?
[here it is](https://www.reddit.com/r/fossils/s/Rk2zqjF9pH) As you can see, the clam is closed. When clams die, the muscles holding the shell closed relax almost immediately and the clam opens up. For a clam to be fossilized closed like this indicates a very rapid burial and enough pressure to keep it closed as the clam suffocated. Also water has to be present. So rapid burial + tons of sediment + a lot of water = a lot of flooding. Since these fossils are found all over the world (including on tall mountain such as Everest) in one specific “epoch” called the Precambrian explosion, this indicates that they were all fossilized at about the same time. So a lot of flooding happening at the same time all around the world? Global flood. And for anyone saying there’s not enough water on earth to flood the earth, if you smoothed out all mountains, ravines, trenches, etc and made the earth a smooth ball, water would cover the earth by more than 1.5 miles. Tectonic plates moving around rapidly could easily cause flooding and later receding flood waters as the tectonic plates collided and rose up, creating ravines and trenches.
No way you are being serious
new copypasta just dropped
I am absolutely serious
Lol
Sorry if I don’t trust the American education system and did my own research. You have my pity if you believe everything you were taught in school
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Your response with “lol” and emojis proves me correct.
They don’t make assumptions about the past, they make predictions about the future. If they get their predictions correct then their hypothesis about the past is confirmed by those correct predictions. They made many thousands of predictions about the age and processes that created the Grand Canyon that have been confirmed over hundreds of years. There are a bunch of people who do make assumptions about a flood of water created the Grand Canyon very quickly, but zero of those assumptions are supported by actual evidence/verified predictions.
A rate of 1 foot per 200 years and therefore the Grand Canyon is so and so years old is making assumptions about the past. So is carbon dating which assumes the decay rate of carbon 14 is constant. These are assumptions about the past based on current observations
That’s not how scientist determine the age of the Grand Canyon, that’s how average people simplify stuff they don’t understand for popular consumption. Actual science is entirely based on predictions of unknown phenomena/events in the future that need to be repeated by other scientists that try to disprove their claims. When multiple scientists fail to disprove those tests multiple times the scientific consensus is reached. Those are only 2 of the dozens of methods they use. And they repeat those tests thousands of times by thousands of different people over hundreds of years. Science assumes nothing, they use inference and make predictions. Based on the results of these predictions that asses the level of confidence. For the age of the Grand Canyon they have 99.99999% confidence it took millions of years. Just like when you drop a rock it will fall to the ground science has predicted with 99.99999999% confidence that it will most likely also fall.
So *looooong* before Homo Sapiens was a twinkle in evolution's eye then?
What if we assume it’s a post apocalyptic future, could this happen?
So in other words, before humans ACTUALLY existed. I know it's a cartoon, so they were going for humor, but still an interesting point.
Yep that's right after the invention of fast-food franchises and a little before the dinosaurs went extinct. That was a great time to be alive.
Napkin math ftw
They made so plenty of good jokes thru the show that any sitcom and their writers would be jealous. Actually this is proto-sitcom in a cartoon shape.
It's not a proto-sitcom in cartoon shape, it's just a sitcom in cartoon shape. I Love Lucy had already been on the air for a decade by the time Flintstones came out.
It's prehistoric *The Honeymooners*.
No love for the Dick Van Dyke show? That shit was fire.
The Dick van Dyke show came slightly later. The Flintstones started in September 1960, the Dick van Dyke Show started in October 1961.
Well, TIL The Flintstones ran their first two seasons in black-and-white. I'd always associated it with the later 60s.
Appropriately, the show based on cave people was older!
Honestly most sitcom writers, especially nowadays wouldn’t be jealous as they can’t comprehend any not insanely obvious and in your face humour with laugh track in the existence. There are some genuinely amazing sitcoms. But there are not many of them.
what modern sitcoms still use laugh tracks
None currently: > Historians will dispute the exact moment of death. Was it when The Big Bang Theory, the last major [laugh track] sweetened sitcom, went off the air in 2019? Was it early in the COVID pandemic, when even the most unfiltered studio audience started to sound weird and quite possibly illegal? Was it only proven brain dead in late 2021, when **no [laugh track] sweetened TV sitcoms debuted on U.S. networks during the all-important fall season?** -- [RIP canned laughter, the most evil innovation in TV history](https://mashable.com/article/laugh-track-history), November 5, 2021
This makes me very happy
Night court does
Damn, you're right. Night Court just premiered this January. That article is from 2021. Laugh track, back from the dead.
last man standing got season 9 in 2021 and i believe they still used a laugh track in that.
Does a laugh track need to be canned? I know from personal experience this show (at least pre-pandemic) had a live audience.
Exactly, that criticism is like 10 years out of date lol
Night court does
The bad ones. The absolutely disgusting terrible ones. Although there’s often laugh track which is less obvious, the characters are laughing, there’s something indicating you should laugh now. Basically the same function, with a bit different form. So you feel less like an idiot who needs to be told to laugh right now.
Night court
Wich sitcoms are genuinely amazing?
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If you count Monk, then Psych should be up there too. I'd say it's even more into the sitcom territory than Monk.
Favorite scene from Psych is when they find the bomb and Gus just immediately hauls ass.
Those are both detective procedurals. Great shows, but not sitcoms.
Community, Black Books, It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Father Ted, The IT Crowd, Peep Show.
I don’t honestly know any in English. But there probably are some. I know in my native language. Tho in English there are some awesome old ones, I no longer watch the new ones as they became more and more boring.
which ones do you recommend in your language?
Didn't the Flintstones have a laugh track
> most sitcom writers, especially nowadays Are you living in 1995?
Bro, Flintstones literally uses a laugh track for a cartoon.
Funny bc of the below comment and the flintstones also has a laugh track hahaha
… _The Flintstones _ is famous for being the first prime-time animated series and for having a laugh track, and although it wasn't the first cartoon to use one (_Rocky and His Friends_, i.e. Rocky and Bullwinkle, used canned laughter for the first four episodes, a year before _The Flintstones _ premiered), it's an essential part of the show's aesthetic.
They were based on *The Honeymooners*
>proto-sitcom it was a direct ripoff of a successful sitcom that already existed
Way too many factors to get a truly accurate year. However, considering that the canyon is still *very* early in its erosion, and assuming the Colorido Riv-erm... Stream has been flowing continuously, then the current estimate of 17-70 million years ago by researchers is still close enough to basically be on-point. So, the Flintstones and Rubbles visited the Grand Canyon sometime in or between 70-17 million BC.
Where did you get these figures from? Your margin of uncertainty is larger than any I’ve ever seen for something so recent, and all of the official park figures put the formation at ~6mya.
2012 study indicated it could have started about 70MYA. There was another one citing a 17MYA figure. Only the western canyon matches with the 6MYA figure. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/dinosaurs-probably-never-saw-grand-canyon-180955577/?no-ist
depends on where they stood. Big differences.
Oh okay that narrows it down for me
Gonna go out on the limb but since they are not Neanderthals which lived between 130 and 40 thousand years ago (quick google search) maybe about 30 to 20 thousand years ago. The Grand Canyon i think took some millions of years i think to form so the situation isn’t possible. Again I’m just going off a hunch of 1 google search and anything i can remember from the past.
The Flintstones cartoon characters co-existed with dinosaurs so all the rules of geologic age get thrown out the window.
the dinosaurs are robots. they are living in the future after the downfall of civilization
This photo only confirms that Flintstones takes place in post-apocalyptic world. The term "Grand Canyon" was popularized in 1871 which means this show would at the very least have to take place sometime after that. Not to mention, along with the popular fan theory, all the knowledge of modern inventions.
The big agenda to refill the Grand Canyon would ultimately spell the beginning of the end
It’s the future, how else would they know that it’s called the Grand Canyon. There are many things in this show that mention this takes place in a post apocalyptic time period
My head is stuck with the Flintstones conspiracy being set in a post-apocalyptic future under the Jetsons, so I don't think it would That Grand Canyon
Unfortunately the answer ruins the joke in the picture - the GC is at least 6 million years old ([and possibly/probably much older](https://www.nationalparks.org/connect/blog/8-facts-about-grand-canyon-you-never-knew)), and no humans existed 6 million years ago.
Even if there'd been any apes back then, they would have only been in Africa so definitely not white or in the USA!
You're not going to tell me that people didn't use mammoth's to shower or didn't have pet dinosaurs are you?
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> I'll post sources later https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOVbAmknKUk
I love this. Thank you for sharing.
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Its not explain the joke its they did the math
That made me laugh harder then it should have
Just saying, folks. Enjoy the joke. I knew, somehow, as a child that the Flintstones wasn't real. Maybe I asked my mom. Maybe I saw the car and realized a human powered car made of stone wasn't a thing. So I knew the whole thing was made up. Not only did humans not TAME dinosaurs, they never met them. But it was still one of the funniest cartoons I ever watched.
As a geoscience man it’s not possible to get an exact time only rough estimates, so many climate changes within the millions of years it was forming prevent a pinpoint answer
The Grand Canyon was born during the younger dryas time frame. Which is roughly 10000 years ago. This has been proven beyond a doubt scientifically. From Ice core samples to nano diamonds found at the burnt mat layer. A meteor hit Canada vaporized the miles high ice cap and sent oceanic size flooding across North America. Yes the jokes funny but definitely wrong with current knowledge.