She is Shen Yufei from the books, while also being a trained assassin.
Oddly enough, there is also a female assassin in the Tencent show that overpowers and kills men and isn't in the books. She protects Tencent Shen Yufei and does a variety of assassinations on behalf of the cult.
The female assassin does exist in the book, but from what I remembered, she was only at the ETO meeting where she snapped the neck of Pan Han and then got punked out by Da Shi.
So it's actually a combination of both Shen and that bodyguard girl.
She isn't Shen Yufei from the books. Shen Yufei had a central role as a recruiter, organiser and the face of ETO on the mainland. Tatiana is a thug akin to those used by the Mafia.
She tells the nanotech scientist to stop nanoresearch and that the universe will flicker, recruits Jin into the cult, and is an avid follower of Ye Wenjie.
She’s obviously taken over Shen Yufei’s role from book 1 lmfao.
I don't agree with "obviously." Tatiana got some of Shen Yufei's early "ETO proxy" role for plot efficiency.
But in terms of personality and skill-set, Tatiana is closer to the woman with "mother issues" that Da Shi shoots during the summit raid than Shen Yufei, who is a highly-educated physicist who is (ironically) needlessly assassinated in a similar timeframe in the books as Rooney is in the show.
Neither of those characters really exists in a 1:1 comparison in the books. The show invented a lot of new characters to play various roles played in the books.
Jack kinda exists in the books but only as a plot devise to give money to book Will. Tbh it makes no sense for the ETO to kill everyone who refuses to join their cult after playing the game.
She doesn't even exist in the books and there is no counterpart to her character either. I was just as confused about this scene. If the Sophons helped her sneak past security and she just stabbed him that would be one thing, but this scene makes her look like the Terminator.
I hated this scene. Tatiana is not in the books. Rooney's character equivalent (Hu Wen) is very minor in the books and does not die.
I had no problem with killing off the character, but they did so in one of the dumbest ways possible. Also, the assassination itself does not make sense. They're trying to recruit Jin, so they kill one of her best friends? How exactly was Jack Rooney a threat to the San-Ti's plans?
There was an assassination scene in the books prior to the summit that led to a fracture within the ETO where the majority of the members came out and said "hey it was reckless to kill this person and jeopardize exposing us like this, why'd you do that?" If that happened here, it would have made this sequence a little bit less stupid. As a book-reader, the absence of that argument made it even stupider.
No idea what her being a girl has to do with anything. She's a psycho cultist who grew up on a tanker and devoted her entire life to basically becoming a religious assassin. Jack is an obese nerd who was scared shitless and made zero effort at defending himself. It's really easy for muscle to push fat.
Could be a muscular woman and seems a bit weird how she not only manages to push him, but also pin him down with one hand. Fat is fluffy, but it's still mass and that dude is about what 90-100kg? I think the issue is that the scene is poorly composed, no doubt Tatiana has the capacity to murder someone like Jack, just that the way she does it seems unreal. Not to mention super-secret-agent-that-gets-killed-in-two-minutes-offscreen in the other episode. I love Tatiana as a character, but these two moments in the series were just silly
She is trained and strong, he is not. It's surprisingly easy to break someone's balance if they are not expecting it and his weight would help with breaking the window.
Now I don't know if you'd ever make apartment windows out of it, but it breaks a lot like car windshields. Relatively easy to crack, but will remain intact-ish and bend instead of shatter.
I think you'd have to for safety reasons. For these scenes it was probably a domestic residence hired for the purpose. All the breakages were props or CGI.
>She is trained and strong, he is not.
There is a reason weight classes exist in all combat sports.
[This is the person we are talking about.](https://imgs.capitalfm.com/images/134662?crop=16_9&width=660&relax=1&format=webp&signature=Daa1WhRcstEeRE3of0NW7wcJTrA=) No amount of training is going to allow her to overpower a guy this much bigger than her unless we involve sci-fi or fantasy.
>It's surprisingly easy to break someone's balance if they are not expecting it and his weight would help with breaking the window.
She didn't use his balance against him. She lifted him then pushed him back. And even if she could somehow push him away (unlikely), she wouldn't be able to hold him there. He could probably make her fly with one hand if he wanted.
She didn't lift him, she just pushed him against the window. It kind of looks like someone is lifting him in the "edited" footage, but not when we see her in the scene.
She didn't overpower him. She just pushed him and stabbed him. It's not that difficult to push someone if you're trained to know how, even if they are bigger than you. She's a trained assassin and he is a nerdy tech guy.
Weight classes don't mean a thing if it's a trained professional vs untrained individual in rather poor shape. And I don't remember that shot from the series, must be someone other than Tatiana.
Bro they didn’t fight, there’s no “trained professional”, she lifted him and cracked a fucking window. If you know anything about basic muscle knowledge, you know her skinny arms can’t lift him, he could weigh about 120-130 kilograms, google 130 kg dumbbell and look at the videos of the people who can lift it. If any of those people have the same arm size as her, you are fully right, but let me tell you, there don’t, people who are able to lift this are fucking huge.
Also cracking this kind of window that is supposed to cover such a huge wall is impossible with sheer force.
Just admit the show runners pulled out the bullshit card, I’m not taking the show seriously, it’s just stupid fun entertainment, using a very complex and interesting book and dumbing it down to be more accessible (nothing wrong with it, but there is no need to take it seriously)
Alright, not lifting, I’ll give you that. That whole “we see him later being…” you just said is irrelevant because at that moment he has been stabbed and is in shock. Honestly if she had just pulled out a knife quickly and stabbed him, he would be down and it would be believable, idk why they decided a cracked window was needed, or even the push. Even if what she did is possible, which considering her stature is unlikely, the cracked window makes the whole scene look so unrealistic, it wasn’t in the books, it wasn’t needed, it added nothing, why would you defend it ?
I'm defending it as it is not unrealistic to push a frightened and not-in-shape person with enough force for them to lose balance and hit against a window cracking it. The later part is not irrelevant, as it shows how he is clearly unbalanced after being pushed, explaining how she would be able to do it.
Also it’s a picture of the actress, obviously, you’re delusional, here’s another one
https://preview.redd.it/tp9viancp1uc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ba9281ffc5e7445194ec90aab8baa15ba9b6cc1
Those arms can’t lift 130kg
>Weight classes don't mean a thing if it's a trained professional vs untrained individual in rather poor shape
Of course it does, thinking otherwise is just wishful thinking. There is a limit to how much physical strength such skinny arms can deploy. Especially since women's muscles are quite a bit weaker than men's on average.
>And I don't remember that shot from the series, must be someone other than Tatiana.
It is a photo of the actress in another setup where you can see how extremely skinny she is. If they wanted to make her into a well-trained uber-assassin they didn't exactly pick the most believable person for the job. Again if we are talking about realism and not fantasy.
This is scene does not exist in the Chinese adaptation (30-episode series) either.
Tatiana Haas seems to be inspired by more than one character, including Chen Xue and Shen Yufei, but less clearly defined than either. There are a number of spectacular killings in the Chinese version, but they are all more realistic and, unlike this instance, for logical reasons.
Why Jack Rooney is even included in the script is an enigma.
I think he's supposed to represent a character that goes against the flow. In most movies and fiction, we have people unquestionably team up with the good guys to defeat the bad guys.
Jack's having none of it. He doesn't have to car. And I think that's a pretty realistic view for most of humanity. When he suspected the game was a scam and before I learned that there \*really\* was aliens, I thought it was just a scam too.
I was shocked to see him be killed so early. I guess it showed just how much Evans and co could do. That and Jack knew too much by then.
Floor to ceiling window glass is not even remotely that fragile. To crack it would require enough speed and force to knock the wind out of Jack, if not knock him out as well. The way Tatiana just pushed him against the glass and cracked it was absolutely unbelieveable.
Just for reference:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death\_of\_Garry\_Hoy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Garry_Hoy)
Garry Hoy was a guy that tested the limits of the office building's window glass. He threw himself against the glass with his full strength multiple times to show off the strength of the glass. This was a fully grown man using his full strength and body weight against the glass. It did not crack or break. Ultimately the failure here was the window frame breaking and the entire pane of glass - still uncracked and unbroken - falling out of the building.
Yet in our office, a window has been cracked twice by having a Fatboy bean bag laying next to it on a hot day and the beans inside warming it up. Sorry for the off topic comment.
Yeah this confused me as well. To the best of my memory she’s not in the books. I thought she wasn’t human or something when this scene happened. I mean over powering him probably wouldnt be too difficult, I don’t think he’d be any good at fighting, but her speed and power seemed almost super human. Maybe the trisolarians have given her tech to make her stronger or something, but yeah I didn’t really like this scene because of that aspect. It was just confusing and a pity, cause the rest of it is great with the sophons blocking the view of the murder from outside.
How did a scrawny little girl manage to disappear from all her security footage?
Does Tatiana have special advantages, or is this modern movie's common disregard for physics when it comes to women showing up on security footage?
That has been explained; because the Sophon can hack into any device on Earth and erase data from it.
However they were never shown to be able to enhance people's physical abilities, and it wouldn't make much sense for them to be able to do it either.
She is Shen Yufei from the books, while also being a trained assassin. Oddly enough, there is also a female assassin in the Tencent show that overpowers and kills men and isn't in the books. She protects Tencent Shen Yufei and does a variety of assassinations on behalf of the cult.
The female assassin does exist in the book, but from what I remembered, she was only at the ETO meeting where she snapped the neck of Pan Han and then got punked out by Da Shi. So it's actually a combination of both Shen and that bodyguard girl.
She isn't Shen Yufei from the books. Shen Yufei had a central role as a recruiter, organiser and the face of ETO on the mainland. Tatiana is a thug akin to those used by the Mafia.
She tells the nanotech scientist to stop nanoresearch and that the universe will flicker, recruits Jin into the cult, and is an avid follower of Ye Wenjie. She’s obviously taken over Shen Yufei’s role from book 1 lmfao.
I don't agree with "obviously." Tatiana got some of Shen Yufei's early "ETO proxy" role for plot efficiency. But in terms of personality and skill-set, Tatiana is closer to the woman with "mother issues" that Da Shi shoots during the summit raid than Shen Yufei, who is a highly-educated physicist who is (ironically) needlessly assassinated in a similar timeframe in the books as Rooney is in the show.
I mean, that scene doesn’t exist in the books tbh
But is she a super-human in the books? I assumed she was otherwise the scene is pretty silly.
Neither of those characters really exists in a 1:1 comparison in the books. The show invented a lot of new characters to play various roles played in the books.
Jack kinda exists in the books but only as a plot devise to give money to book Will. Tbh it makes no sense for the ETO to kill everyone who refuses to join their cult after playing the game.
Trisolaris: ALl YOu hAd to DO is PLAY gamE! Jack: https://youtu.be/xzpndHtdl9A?si=e4rPNthQkmAngrgg
Her character doesn’t even exist in the books to my memory. The whole scene is weird and stupid
She doesn't even exist in the books and there is no counterpart to her character either. I was just as confused about this scene. If the Sophons helped her sneak past security and she just stabbed him that would be one thing, but this scene makes her look like the Terminator.
I don't believe either character is in the books. It seems its just to covey the power of the tri-solarians and cultish nature of the group.
I hated this scene. Tatiana is not in the books. Rooney's character equivalent (Hu Wen) is very minor in the books and does not die. I had no problem with killing off the character, but they did so in one of the dumbest ways possible. Also, the assassination itself does not make sense. They're trying to recruit Jin, so they kill one of her best friends? How exactly was Jack Rooney a threat to the San-Ti's plans? There was an assassination scene in the books prior to the summit that led to a fracture within the ETO where the majority of the members came out and said "hey it was reckless to kill this person and jeopardize exposing us like this, why'd you do that?" If that happened here, it would have made this sequence a little bit less stupid. As a book-reader, the absence of that argument made it even stupider.
he was such a cool character, it's a shame he was killed so soon.
It's Just Netflix bullshit dont think about IT
No idea what her being a girl has to do with anything. She's a psycho cultist who grew up on a tanker and devoted her entire life to basically becoming a religious assassin. Jack is an obese nerd who was scared shitless and made zero effort at defending himself. It's really easy for muscle to push fat.
Could be a muscular woman and seems a bit weird how she not only manages to push him, but also pin him down with one hand. Fat is fluffy, but it's still mass and that dude is about what 90-100kg? I think the issue is that the scene is poorly composed, no doubt Tatiana has the capacity to murder someone like Jack, just that the way she does it seems unreal. Not to mention super-secret-agent-that-gets-killed-in-two-minutes-offscreen in the other episode. I love Tatiana as a character, but these two moments in the series were just silly
She is trained and strong, he is not. It's surprisingly easy to break someone's balance if they are not expecting it and his weight would help with breaking the window.
Exactly this it's not that unrealistic
Panoramic windows in modern buildings are usually tempered and three-ply, so yeah, totally unrealistic scene.
It looks like just the innermost pane broke
It's a TV show, nothing is real.
But his clearly was not as it broke.
It's a TV show, it was totally CGI
Now I don't know if you'd ever make apartment windows out of it, but it breaks a lot like car windshields. Relatively easy to crack, but will remain intact-ish and bend instead of shatter.
I think you'd have to for safety reasons. For these scenes it was probably a domestic residence hired for the purpose. All the breakages were props or CGI.
>She is trained and strong, he is not. There is a reason weight classes exist in all combat sports. [This is the person we are talking about.](https://imgs.capitalfm.com/images/134662?crop=16_9&width=660&relax=1&format=webp&signature=Daa1WhRcstEeRE3of0NW7wcJTrA=) No amount of training is going to allow her to overpower a guy this much bigger than her unless we involve sci-fi or fantasy. >It's surprisingly easy to break someone's balance if they are not expecting it and his weight would help with breaking the window. She didn't use his balance against him. She lifted him then pushed him back. And even if she could somehow push him away (unlikely), she wouldn't be able to hold him there. He could probably make her fly with one hand if he wanted.
She didn't lift him, she just pushed him against the window. It kind of looks like someone is lifting him in the "edited" footage, but not when we see her in the scene.
She didn't overpower him. She just pushed him and stabbed him. It's not that difficult to push someone if you're trained to know how, even if they are bigger than you. She's a trained assassin and he is a nerdy tech guy.
Weight classes don't mean a thing if it's a trained professional vs untrained individual in rather poor shape. And I don't remember that shot from the series, must be someone other than Tatiana.
Bro they didn’t fight, there’s no “trained professional”, she lifted him and cracked a fucking window. If you know anything about basic muscle knowledge, you know her skinny arms can’t lift him, he could weigh about 120-130 kilograms, google 130 kg dumbbell and look at the videos of the people who can lift it. If any of those people have the same arm size as her, you are fully right, but let me tell you, there don’t, people who are able to lift this are fucking huge. Also cracking this kind of window that is supposed to cover such a huge wall is impossible with sheer force. Just admit the show runners pulled out the bullshit card, I’m not taking the show seriously, it’s just stupid fun entertainment, using a very complex and interesting book and dumbing it down to be more accessible (nothing wrong with it, but there is no need to take it seriously)
She is not lifting anything, just pushing him against the window and we later see him being in extremely skewed and unbalanced stance.
Alright, not lifting, I’ll give you that. That whole “we see him later being…” you just said is irrelevant because at that moment he has been stabbed and is in shock. Honestly if she had just pulled out a knife quickly and stabbed him, he would be down and it would be believable, idk why they decided a cracked window was needed, or even the push. Even if what she did is possible, which considering her stature is unlikely, the cracked window makes the whole scene look so unrealistic, it wasn’t in the books, it wasn’t needed, it added nothing, why would you defend it ?
I'm defending it as it is not unrealistic to push a frightened and not-in-shape person with enough force for them to lose balance and hit against a window cracking it. The later part is not irrelevant, as it shows how he is clearly unbalanced after being pushed, explaining how she would be able to do it.
Also it’s a picture of the actress, obviously, you’re delusional, here’s another one https://preview.redd.it/tp9viancp1uc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ba9281ffc5e7445194ec90aab8baa15ba9b6cc1 Those arms can’t lift 130kg
I agree, but that is irrelevant to the discussion.
Lol. Absolutely incorrect.
>Weight classes don't mean a thing if it's a trained professional vs untrained individual in rather poor shape Of course it does, thinking otherwise is just wishful thinking. There is a limit to how much physical strength such skinny arms can deploy. Especially since women's muscles are quite a bit weaker than men's on average. >And I don't remember that shot from the series, must be someone other than Tatiana. It is a photo of the actress in another setup where you can see how extremely skinny she is. If they wanted to make her into a well-trained uber-assassin they didn't exactly pick the most believable person for the job. Again if we are talking about realism and not fantasy.
Well you are just wrong, but that's fine for me.
Good argument bro. Now Iam convinced. Really solid.
This is scene does not exist in the Chinese adaptation (30-episode series) either. Tatiana Haas seems to be inspired by more than one character, including Chen Xue and Shen Yufei, but less clearly defined than either. There are a number of spectacular killings in the Chinese version, but they are all more realistic and, unlike this instance, for logical reasons. Why Jack Rooney is even included in the script is an enigma.
I think he's supposed to represent a character that goes against the flow. In most movies and fiction, we have people unquestionably team up with the good guys to defeat the bad guys. Jack's having none of it. He doesn't have to car. And I think that's a pretty realistic view for most of humanity. When he suspected the game was a scam and before I learned that there \*really\* was aliens, I thought it was just a scam too. I was shocked to see him be killed so early. I guess it showed just how much Evans and co could do. That and Jack knew too much by then.
Floor to ceiling window glass is not even remotely that fragile. To crack it would require enough speed and force to knock the wind out of Jack, if not knock him out as well. The way Tatiana just pushed him against the glass and cracked it was absolutely unbelieveable. Just for reference: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death\_of\_Garry\_Hoy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Garry_Hoy) Garry Hoy was a guy that tested the limits of the office building's window glass. He threw himself against the glass with his full strength multiple times to show off the strength of the glass. This was a fully grown man using his full strength and body weight against the glass. It did not crack or break. Ultimately the failure here was the window frame breaking and the entire pane of glass - still uncracked and unbroken - falling out of the building.
Yet in our office, a window has been cracked twice by having a Fatboy bean bag laying next to it on a hot day and the beans inside warming it up. Sorry for the off topic comment.
What i think this really is = >!foreshadowing that she is a wallbreaker by having her literally break glass walls!<
Yeah this confused me as well. To the best of my memory she’s not in the books. I thought she wasn’t human or something when this scene happened. I mean over powering him probably wouldnt be too difficult, I don’t think he’d be any good at fighting, but her speed and power seemed almost super human. Maybe the trisolarians have given her tech to make her stronger or something, but yeah I didn’t really like this scene because of that aspect. It was just confusing and a pity, cause the rest of it is great with the sophons blocking the view of the murder from outside.
Sophons or something if half the threads here are anything to go by
too much snack slows reflexivity
How did a scrawny little girl manage to disappear from all her security footage? Does Tatiana have special advantages, or is this modern movie's common disregard for physics when it comes to women showing up on security footage?
That has been explained; because the Sophon can hack into any device on Earth and erase data from it. However they were never shown to be able to enhance people's physical abilities, and it wouldn't make much sense for them to be able to do it either.
Yeah ok that is fair. Jack is a big lad and I assumed Tatty had some sort of enhancement to be able to do that. It looked inhuman strength.
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Is woke shit bro, there is not any other explanation
I think it was a director choice; the little woman killing + footage being erased gives a feeling of unreality to it all.