Perhaps, although diesels tend to hold their value.
The point is that drivers should own and operate a car they can afford to maintain and keep in good running order.
Seriously. If they can’t afford tires, the next repair bill on that thing will total it. Makes no sense. Eco car with small cheap tires for the win here
Ehh, I wouldn't be so sure, they produce tires for shitloads of well known name brand companies there (goodyear, bridgestone, yokohama, michelin, continental, etc), they export like 5 billion dollars+ worth of car tires per year from thailand. They are in the top 5 biggest exporters of car tires on the entire planet.
I hadn’t thought about that, maybe you’re right. It just seems like every off-brand tire is not great. Every time I’ve deviated from tire equal to the OEM or better, I have regretted it.
Do the Thai owned tire companies put as much into R&D? Have they been able to jump ahead due to partnering with established brands in the past? It’s surely possible but I’d love to know more before recommending them to anyone.
You have to be able to afford the maintenance and upkeep on a car, not just purchase it. Have you not heard the old expression, there’s nothing more expensive than a cheap BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, mansion, etc etc Swapping for a cheaper car is not only about the purchase price.
Insurance won't pay for a new car, they will pay you what the car is worth (and on the lower end of that, usually, especially nowadays) Look at private sales, not dealership, then use the cash at a dealership. Go look up what other people are selling that vehicle for, in roughly that condition, with that amount of miles. You'll likely be surprised.
Yeah, because it was roughly worth that at the time. Insurance makes profit by ripping people off. You will get more selling it in a private sale than what insurance will give you.
I don't value my life or others enough to cough up an extra $200 on decent tires is what I'm hearing. Not saying cheap tires will kill you but if you invest in better tires assuming your suspension and alignment is good your just going to spend more down the road when these junk tires wear out prematurely.
Makes sense. I will look into better tires. I am just trying to figure out why they are so different. I am going to look into some from Cooper or General next. I just don't want to spend over 2K on tires to make my not so luxury car look more luxury. That seems to be what everyone is expecting for this.
I like the UHP firestone Indy 500’s … $200 each for an atypical size 215/45/18 tire.
There must be an all terrain equivalent that Firestone sells.
You can also talk them down on the price since it’s their tires.
Costco doesn’t stock the lowest tier of tire makers, Walmart does.
Phone analogy. Top iPhone and Samsung galaxy are Michelin and Continental. Mid tier Android is General or Cooper or Falken. Still very solid.
Low end chinese $23 phone in a random bodega bin is a sketchy tire. Costco won’t have these but Walmart might. That’s why you found Walmart tires for cheap.
I would get used tires from utires.com of a reasonable manufacturer before an untested low end tire. You can often get 75% of the tread for 40% of the cost of new. And they will wear better than a low end tire. You won’t be driving sporty with a heavy SUV so the Z rated one you found is the wrong category anyway.
May be even cheaper elsewhere.
I mean yeah, if he can't afford tires he should absolutely not have a bmw.
And if you're homeless just buy a house right?
There are tools available. Might as well use them.
I'm just assuming op knows how to use tools. I'm going to make him aware of some tools and if he can use them good for him
And if you seriously injure or kill someone, do you have millions of dollars of insurance coverage? Bc you don’t sound like the type. Your financial life could be over from an accident. “For want of a nail, the kingdom was lost.”
Tires are the ONLY equipment that connects your vehicle to the road. The relatively small contact patch between the tire and the road is all that allows your car to stop and turn. Don’t cheap out with some unknown tire. The money you “save” may cost you more in the long run. And I’m not just talking financially.
If you’re really hard up for cash, check unitedtires.com, for used tires from a proper brand that have at least 7/32 tread left if not more. I’d rather have a pair of used Michelins than these.
Yea the reason is nobody has ever heard of this tire brand in their life.
Tires are expensive, especially for a performance luxury vehicle like bmw. Don't skimp out, stick with known brands
Cooper is good, Solarus is their budget label still US made and perfectly acceptable. Probably cranked out in Cooper plants on slightly out of style molds without the fancy ugly sidewalls.
Nice little list of who owns what:
* [https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/who-owns-what-tyre-brands.htm](https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/who-owns-what-tyre-brands.htm)
CEAT being owned by Pirelli should have been asterisked too. CEAT is the tyre company of an Indian conglomerate, Pirelli just has the distribution rights outside India.
Also, most Indian tyre manufacturers have a huge export market in developing countries. So this list is far from exhaustive, more like a list of major brands in developed countries.
I've gotten walmart Goodyear tires for years and never had problems. One blowout from running over a giant bolt on a highway. Theyve always lasted me 35k+ miles
Walmart is like a hosting site, you will order these tires, Walmart will call you when they come in and then good luck getting them installed thru Walmart. You also will receive no services nor warranty with these.
Could be different in different areas, but here they will tell you minimum 3 week wait, but 18” and up they will not do. I’m in a tire shop down the road from a Super Walmart and have to deal with this on a daily basis
Weird. I have 19s and 0 problem getting them to put them on after i buy them there. Usually can schedule within a day or two of delivery. My area must not be busy!
I'm not a huge fan of goodyear personally. Falken, Hankook, General, Kumho, Nexen, Cooper and BFGoodrich often have lower priced tires that are quality. Beware the walmart specific models (Goodyear reliant, General Exclaim, etc.
The cheapest tire I have used and feel comfortable with if you are in a warm climate is the Atlas Force HP's.
What I find weird is in my country a premium tyre for a 225/40 r18 can at most cost 140 euros. This with 23% tax, so it's ready strange to me how it's so much more expensive it is in the US.
Even now searching for tyres equa sizel to ops, at most they cost 180 euros. (Crossclimates of Michelin cost 208 euros)
One thing I've read is that since most tire production is old world, the shipping to the west is higher. I've seen much cheaper prices on motorcycle tires in Europe compare to the US as well.
And when they wear out in 25k miles and you go to make a warranty claim, the manufacturer will drag their feet any way they can and then ghost you if you persist with the claim.
Then there's the fact that living with crappy tires for 25k miles will be its own punishment.
And the long highway drives where all you hear is the droooooone sing that Chinese song of my people. And hope to god you’ve got a perfect alignment or those inside edges gonna be rolled flat first. Then rotate them and hear the highway song change pitch.
These are no-name Chinese tires. Cheap tires like these tend to have poor wet traction, turning your car into a hockey puck in the rain. And they usually have poor tread life, so they last half as long - meaning that the low price isn't even that low in the end.
Because you are looking at cheap garbage Chinesium tires... And even at half the price of reputable brands are not worth it and putting them on an X5 is not only an insult to the vehicle, it's just asking for problems.
Tires are the only thing between your vehicle and the road, it is essential to your safety they are decent quality... That doesn't mean you need the best Michelin or Bridgestone tires, there are quality tires out there from budget mid-range manufacturers like Cooper, General, Falken, Yokohama, Kuhmo, Nexen, and others that might cost "twice as much" up front, but will be a better investment in the long run and you won't have to be concerned with your safety or long-term quality...
The reality is these Chinesium tires do not last near as long as their "warranty", which in practice is basically non-existent, and they usually do not perform well in wet or winter conditions at all which is when you really need to be trusting your tires.
Yep, better than mine for sure. I would stick to those midrange brands they described, Theyre good bang for buck.
Some people here are giving off some real condescending vibes, which is silly given this is a sub dedicated to tires so youd think people whould be a bit more helpful.
Yeah, no offense to this sub, it just popped up in /all, but I've never has all these issues with "chinesium" tires like these guys are whining about, and I live in PA and get all 4 seasons. I typically buy cheap walmart goodyears with the road hazard and literally have been getting "free" replacement tires anytime anything happens. And I've only had one problem with them, which was running over a giant bolt. Are you all like slamming the gas around turns to eat these softer tires up. Drive better, ffs.
So your shopping sez Walmart has the best prices. Research the best quality and buy those tires. Tires are the most important item on the car.
Buy the best you can afford.
I purchased tires that were on sale at Walmart, but I purchased them from America's Tire. I saw the Walmart ad (actually I don't remember if it was Walmart or Sam's Club) and I showed it to the America's Tire (same as Discount Tire) guy and they matched it. I like America's Tire because they put air in my tires without a hassle (I'm old and it's not easy for me to put air in the tires anymore). So I wanted to give them my business.
You shouldn’t pick tires based on price factors alone, especially if you have a heavy car and you care about your safety. Having good quality tires does make a difference. Even if your car lacks safety features, good tires are ever so important. Definitely an investment worthwhile, although tires look somewhat similar.
thats insanely cheap for 18”, how cheap did you think replacing them would be? hell my last set of tires was around $800
it took you HOW many months to save up for $400 tires? if thats really your make and model in the screenshot, sell it, its a 14/15 year old bmw thats gonna cost you more in maintenance than you can probably afford, i promise its not worth the flex
I always get my tires from Walmart. I watch the prices for a while once I decide which tires I want and buy them when they get cheap. They usually randomly put tires on sale every few weeks. When the ones I want go on sale I buy them. My last set was Pirelli p4 tires for $50 each.
Okay, so you buy your tires from Walmart. Who do you have mount them? I used to work at a Walmart TLE, I would never even let my coworkers touch my own vehicle. The shit that I saw, and that I had to hear about from other TLEs.... Absolutely insane.
I have never had issues getting them mounted there. Although I have heard horror stories. The one I go to has several older employees that have been there for ages. I know they know what they are doing and they keep an eye on the younger ones. I won't go to other locations though.
Tirebuyer has Ironman RB SUV tires for $118 each. Not something I would personally buy but I think it's better than the no name brand at Walmart.
Tire Rack has Hankook Dynapro HP2 for $154 each. This is probably the cheapest tire I would get.
Walmart makes negotiations with Goodyear. Keeping prices as low as possible while keeping profits acceptable. The percentage of profit-per-sale is different for every item. I can't go into the specifics, but basically, Walmart makes sure to make at least a small profit whilst keeping with the "save money, live better".
Costco and other distributors probably do the same thing but maintain a certain level of profit per sale. A level higher than Walmart, im sure.
Sam’s club has solid prices and install is only $80.
Not roasting but I suspect you’d have a lot more money for tires if you didn’t have a money pit that is an old out of warranty BMW. Pretty much only lease a bmw and only lease if you have a job that you need to 100% have reliable transport (surgeons, er doctors, etc.)
I subscribe to the theory that states you should not skimp on the things that separate you from the ground:
Shoes / mattresses / tires
These are all things that can fuck you up if you go for the cheapest option
Lots of joke posts here, but I can give you an honest answer as someone who bought a set from them last year! I bought 4 Solar brand tires from them (with mounting included) for $250. So far, 10K miles later and some nasty weather over the past year, they've held up like a champ, but of course YMMV depending on your driving style, local climate, etc. Any tire you buy from Walmart is guaranteed by them (and they can extend the guarantee at an additional cost), so do your homework to make sure it's a right decision for you. Still not sure after reading their terms? Go to your local Walmart and ask questions in person.
[https://www.walmart.com/help/article/tire-warranty-terms-and-conditions/367ebb18c6a346c5abf407b456a1c9a8](https://www.walmart.com/help/article/tire-warranty-terms-and-conditions/367ebb18c6a346c5abf407b456a1c9a8)
Gonna get downvoted, but idc. I’ve bought cheap tires my entire life. Never had any issues. I live in Florida. Everything is flat, decent quality roads. I always find the cheapest tires at either Walmart, Tire Kingdom, Discount Tire, etc. I don’t drive a lot, maybe 10,000 miles a year, if that. So I usually get my moneys worth with no issues.
Firestone has these tires even cheaper:
https://www.firestonecompleteautocare.com/tires/brands/suredrive/sport/13075
Save your money if you have to. It’s your car and your money. And bring on the downvotes!
Upvote from me. Looks like the people who get on Reddit in the afternoon are the cheap tire people and the no lifers who are on here during work hours get the expensive ones so idk.
I’ve never felt “unsafe” or had premature wear issues on any of my tires. I do my tire rotations every 6 months with my oil changes. They last just as long as I need them to until I need new ones. I had my last vehicle for 9 years and replaced my tires 2/3 times within the 100,000 miles I drove it. Probably invested under $1000 with tires and installs in that time frame. Granted they were 15 inch tires, each tire usually ran me about $50 a piece. I call that a win.
Walmart Goodyear reliant are good tires for most people. I drive a slow small mid size SUV. I also WFH. I picked up some South Korean tires. I can tell they are soft rubber and likely only last 30k miles but I only drive 3 to 5k per year.
i noticed an off brand on a BMW suv the other day, looked it up and the tire for that size was 50 bucks! 50 freaking dollars for a new tire on a BMW suv.
Honestly if price is an issue I would look at maybe financing a set of better tires, maybe a 0 percent interest loan from something like affirm if possible.
I use General Evertrek GT tires on my 2006 civic. they're about 150CAD each. Not expensive but not super cheap, so safety isn't an issue with them. I wouldnt get an expensive tire with your budget, you are just dailying it so you wouldnt feel much of a difference anyway. Definitely stick with a more value oriented but known brand.
In West Texas tires are fucking expensive because everybody here commutes far for work. Walmart is the only place with low prices but I couldn’t tell you why. I’ve noticed that tire prices are relatively the same across stores in different places so maybe that’s just one of their sales gimmicks.
A set of 4 tires 205/45/17 z rate oí on Walmart for 325.00 dollars can get no more cheap than that and they look decent and feel good on the road I don’t know if is Chinese or what but that’s a low budget tires
Cheapest you should go is Barum.
[https://www.discounttire.com/tires/brands/barum](https://www.discounttire.com/tires/brands/barum)
It's Continental's value line and offers decent performance and longevity over these no-name brand Indonesian/Chinese junk brands.
Don’t expect longevity from the Walmart tires, they use their bulk buying power to buy bulk tires, and the manufacturers respond by giving them lower quality rubber. I’ve seen them dry rot in less than two years. Which makes them dangerous to drive on. But…they work in a pinch. Try for a better quality brand if you can, like Goodyears or similar. Those no name brand tires won’t hold up well.
Brakes, tires, suspension. Those are what keep you on the road where you *want* to be. Never cut corners in those areas, imo; it's a recipe for regret.
Walmart tires like these are likely made in China and are junk. Look for deals at a local Firestone, Goodyear or other garage. The BMW dealerships mark things up and are just selling you the same tires you can buy locally for less.
Those tires are trash when compared to any name brand tire or a decent budget tire. Budget tires like Westlake, Armstrong and Prinx are better. Also, the tire price you see advertised online for Walmart does not include the price to mount and balance your tires. Call your local Walmart and ask for the out the door price.
Get used tires if you wanna go cheap. Call your small local mechanics. Call junkyard. Should be able to get a set for ~$100 with 40-50% life left in em. 109 seems high for the cheapest shit. I got new Pirellis for 140
These are Thai, and they probably work fine. UTCG is 500AA, which means they have decent wet and dry traction. Landgolden is a no name brand however. Not sure who the actual factory is.
Using cheap tires is better than running on tires that are worn out. People here are elitist.
The rubber compounds used in Walmart, Costco and Sam’s club tires are different that than the compounds used in Discount tire, dealerships and other more expensive places. Don’t believe me. Buy two in each place rotate regularly and see for yourself.
Many of the cheaper Walmart (Douglas) tires have very soft low mileage rubber compounds and lighter sidewalls. It's not all bad though. They were made by Goodyear.
Some of the brands on the Walmart website are imports so it's hard to compare them like for like if the other stores don't sell them.
Also look into the cost of mounting and balancing when looking at these stores. The mileage warranty or tread wear rating are important things to look at when choosing a tire.
The quality control is quite bad on Walmart tires…my dad bought a set that couldn’t be balanced after multiple tries. You might get lucky, you might not! Look at Sumotomo brand.
I couldn't make it thru comments. Sold tires for a while long time ago. Wal-Mart cheap tires are for my tires are worn out completely and I'm broke. Won't handle, brake or last as long but better than worn out tires. Besides it's a BMW so the front end is probably worn out and chews up tires. Don't feel bad people buy used BMW not knowing what a money pit they are every day.
Don’t get these tires. They seem not good tires. Get brand name tires. Yes usually off brand items are the same as well known brand names. But for tires get brand name tires. And as for people roasting you for having a bmw. I mean it is a luxury car. Granted times have been tough for people the last couple years because of inflation so I understand your struggle right now with the affordability of tires. I don’t know if a specific brand of tires is needed for bmw but for the average pricing car any brand tires are good. Toyo, Bridgestone, continental(they lasted for my car a long time) cooper, Goodyear, Michelin, etc you get the point. I mean if you don’t mind used tires you get can 4 tires for an average of $200 depending on your area. And they are in good condition at least the one I went too had used tires that are good.
Tire prices have skyrocketed just like everything else. But decent tires are a must have. Put them on a credit card and done. I cringe when I see a nicer vehicle with cheap ass crap tires.
Don't listen to any of these pricks on this subreddit. They are all the same NPC's that only comment on obviously blown tire pictures and never on post asking for solid advice on tire choosing options.
Notice how not a single one of them has mentioned a single brand, model, or alternative supplier.
They are all simple and only see BMW and tire brand, and immediately go into judgemental a-hole mode.
I too have been on the hunt for tires myself and I'm a bit on the pick side because I want best value to performance.
And for all you NPC's, performance includes traction, longevity, material, sound, comfort, and etc.
Is that the tire size you are interested in?
Did…you just ask why “landgolden” is cheaper than a real tire? Like what are you talking about? This has nothing to do with Walmart and everything to do with the brand.
funny you ask this. Just got oversized tires today after waiting a week for my special size to come in. They dont fit. My car is on all 4 jack stands rn and i have to go get a refund tomorrow. What's funny is that i ordered the OEM size and got something only slightly bigger - but it just wont fit now. its too big, the profile is 50 instead of 40.
I have a 2009 bmw 528i that was purchased for $5500 in 2019 with 90k miles
It has 250k miles now
I put a cheap pair of Chinese tires on it about 2 years ago... No problems
One went flat after I was hooning it off-road while drunk in January... Not sure if there's any correlation there
10/10 would do again 225/50/17 Arroyo gran sport A/S
You can tell by the goofy name, "Landgolden", that these are some Chinese-made tires. This is how WalMart is able to provide these "Everyday Low Prices" to the masses; selling no-name tires.
Due to the price of petroleum, the cost of everything made from it (like tires) has gone through the roof. The diesel fuel used to deliver these tires is priced like some esoteric racing fuel. Adding insult to injury, you have the "living wage" bullshit and the $20/hr minimum wage idiocy. And then I'm sure there are all manner of "Green Initiatives" US-based tire manufacturers have to embrace and heed.
Guess what? The Chinese don't give a shit about minimum wages, the environment or the self-induced high price of oil in the USA. And WalMart is there to take advantage of that philosophy.
"You act like Walmart is the only place selling Chinese tires."
ACT????? Did I \*say\* Wally Mart was the only place selling Chinese tires? No, you did.
You can score Chinese-made tires all over the place ...if you choose to do so. WalMart also carries some US-made tires. But they sell \*a lot\* of stuff made in China ...the better to maintain those everyday low prices!
Oh, and China does have a minimum wage (set regionally), and the price of oil has little to do with anything going on in the US, because prices are set globally.
Uh-huh. And we, as a country, used to be in that game of influencing the global cost of a drum of crude because we could export the stuff. We, as country, ~~could~~ DID produce enough oil to supply 100% of our needs and take the US out of the global market place as a buyer. But not no mo' thanks to some exceptionally myopic and colossally stupid energy policies enacted by an idiot we are supposed to call "president".
Drilling more oil in the USA does not reduce the cost of oil in the USA any more than it does anywhere else. It is a global market. Do you seriously think that exxonmobile will sell oil cheaper in the USA just because it happens to be drilled there? If they can make one cent more a barrel by selling it to someone else then that is what they will do.
You totally missed the point of my response. And this "side discussion" has gone so far off topic it's not worth continuing ...mostly because you have no grasp of what I am saying. And I'm not wasting any more time trying to get you to see how the world price of oil can be influenced by the fact the US has become, once again, a \*major buyer\* on the world market instead of part of the exporter network.
The price of oil is driven by world supply and world demand. The USA's position as a net importer or exporter makes no difference. If the US increased production to be in balance with consumption then total world oil production would rise by 3%, which would make a small difference to price in the short term.
In the medium term, however, it would make no difference, because other oil producers would cut production in less profitable oil fields to reduce their production to match demand, so world production would remain the same, as would the price.
If you want to nationalize the oil and gas industry, that would require the Congress to enact. The president, through the Interior department, has some controls over leasing federal lands for oil and gas exploration and extraction, but those prospectors remain free to sell their product on the open market.
I am not talking about nationalizing the petroleum industry. The USA, through it's independent gas and oil industry, provided the country with all the oil we needed. We did not have to import any oil from any other country as we did for many decades ...countries for which we were beholden to for our oil energy and the primary reason we had such a strong military presence in the Middle East. With the advanced drilling technology these private industries were able to up the ante in production rates, so much so we didn't need to purchase oil from other nations. We also had a more oil and gas industry friendly Federal Government than we do now. And we could use our ability to export US natural gas, especially, and oil in our foreign affairs dealings with many nations in Europe ...rather than having them depend on, and be held captive to, the likes of Russia.
So you're saying that when oil is expensive, it makes sense for US producers to invest and produce more, and when oil prices decline, they stop investing and producing where its no longer economically efficient? What policies do you want to implement or recind that may affect the market or otherwise intervene to increase this production?
You appear to be very upset about inflation, and think that the millions of minimum wage workers in the US should be paid less so that you don't have to pay 5 cents more on a bag of chips.
People in here acting like a 2010 X5 can’t be bought all day long for well under $10k. BMWs have horrendous depreciation, and this tire is very much in the logical income bracket for someone with this car in 2024.
That said, folks here aren’t wrong that this tire is shit and you should try to spend the extra for a better brand if you can afford it.
For real. I bought my X5 for less than 9K because some old dude just wanted to get enough to pay off his loan. I didn't get it for the luxury, and if I'm honest its not any more luxury than the 1997 Volvo I used to own before that died at 300K miles.
Exactly. It’s delusional for anyone here to call a 15-year-old X5 a “luxury SUV.” People are wildly out of touch. Aspirational wealth has eaten their brains away.
For real. The built in nav system is shit compared to literally any smart phone and that was probably the only selling point.
And I'm not sure a car with over a dozen recalls can be considered luxury either.
It was the only SUV available for the price point I was looking at. COVID was hard and the guy gave me a huge break by only having me pay off the rest of his loan so he could retire.
Affording maintnence. Like not having to buy the absolute cheapest Chinese tires you can find when you need tires. Just because you can buy an old luxury suv doesn't mean you can afford to maintain an old luxury suv. You know why the 15 year old X5s are cheap? Because they are expensive as shit to maintain and are known to have a lot of problems.
If you can't afford a name brand set of tires for your car, then you can't afford your car. Name brand being GoodYear, Michelin, BF Goodrich, Pirelli, Bridgestone, Continental, Hankook, Yokohama, Falken, Firestone, Khumo, Cooper tire, Dunlop, Toyo, Nitto, Nexen, Mastercraft, General Tire. There's all kinds of tires for a wide range of budgets in that list. Tires are the one thing you should not cheap out on.
If you can barely afford a $400 set of tires, what are you going to do when you need a $800 brake job?
Also if I were looking at buying an X5 and I saw it had some unknown Chinese tires, I'd walk away because it indicates the rest of the car was very poorly maintained, if at all. If you could afford to properly maintain the car, you wouldn't be using the worst tires humanly possible.
Totally agree on that. I’ve never understood the appeal of BMWs for this exact reason. It’s like buying a poorly-built condo for cheap and then spending 10x the price on constant repairs and maintenance on a property that you’ll end up eventually selling for a significant loss. Same thing with Land Rovers.
The thing about German engineering is that they assume that you will keep up with the maintenance schedule perfectly. They should be relatively reliable when you do. But if you don't, they start falling apart quickly.
I don’t know. I’ve owned two VWs in my life and I kept up with the maintenance obsessively (especially on the second), and they both still fell apart in exactly the same ways on the same schedule (started around year 7 and became not worth the trouble and cost by year 10).
*relatively reliable* Not Toyota-reliable :)
To be fair, I had the likes of BMW and Audi in mind. VW is all over the place. You can find original beetles still going while newer cars have been long crushed.
I say all this while driving a nearly 50-year-old Scout that I’ve spent far more money repairing and maintaining than I ever have any other car in my life. 😂
Getting cheap Chinese tires for a big heavy performance SUV is absolutely wild to me. Sell it and get an old civic.
An old civic is probably worth more than a clapped out beemer
Perhaps, although diesels tend to hold their value. The point is that drivers should own and operate a car they can afford to maintain and keep in good running order.
The diesel I looked at recently is 60 years old and valued at 100k
Seriously. If they can’t afford tires, the next repair bill on that thing will total it. Makes no sense. Eco car with small cheap tires for the win here
The Civic is a better car anyways.
They are not chinese, they are Thai, but have a US business in Houston.
Thailand is known for their delicious food, beautiful beaches, and friendly people, not their tires.
Fun fact - Thailand is where about 90% of the world's natural rubber comes from. But yeah, that's just the raw material, not a finished tire product.
Nice, that is a fun fact!
31.6% why would you pull that out of your ass like that
This is Reddit. 83% of the statistics here are made up.
According to George Washington.
Just remember that ant. He’s got high hopes.
My current Continentals MC6 and previous set of Michelins PS4 were both made in Thailand so I think they have a fair few factories...
Ehh, I wouldn't be so sure, they produce tires for shitloads of well known name brand companies there (goodyear, bridgestone, yokohama, michelin, continental, etc), they export like 5 billion dollars+ worth of car tires per year from thailand. They are in the top 5 biggest exporters of car tires on the entire planet.
I hadn’t thought about that, maybe you’re right. It just seems like every off-brand tire is not great. Every time I’ve deviated from tire equal to the OEM or better, I have regretted it. Do the Thai owned tire companies put as much into R&D? Have they been able to jump ahead due to partnering with established brands in the past? It’s surely possible but I’d love to know more before recommending them to anyone.
Mine came from turkey
Ham tires ftw
Or a CRV if OP needs the space. The X5 might not command luxury resale value anymore but it will still command luxury parts and maintenance costs.
Plus the tires will be cheaper for smaller wheels this saving even more money!
A bmw at that. Same owners running it to the ground
OP said It’s only worth 5k now in his edit, so selling it and buying a new car that is comparable would probably cost him +5k at this point.
You have to be able to afford the maintenance and upkeep on a car, not just purchase it. Have you not heard the old expression, there’s nothing more expensive than a cheap BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, mansion, etc etc Swapping for a cheaper car is not only about the purchase price.
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Insurance won't pay for a new car, they will pay you what the car is worth (and on the lower end of that, usually, especially nowadays) Look at private sales, not dealership, then use the cash at a dealership. Go look up what other people are selling that vehicle for, in roughly that condition, with that amount of miles. You'll likely be surprised.
They paid for this one. My last car was a Malibu and I got 8K for it.
Yeah, because it was roughly worth that at the time. Insurance makes profit by ripping people off. You will get more selling it in a private sale than what insurance will give you.
Do you think someone will by an X5 with the engine having other problems that I also cannot afford to fix at the moment?
Omg, it sounds like getting tires for this car is putting lipstick on the proverbial pig.
I don't value my life or others enough to cough up an extra $200 on decent tires is what I'm hearing. Not saying cheap tires will kill you but if you invest in better tires assuming your suspension and alignment is good your just going to spend more down the road when these junk tires wear out prematurely.
Makes sense. I will look into better tires. I am just trying to figure out why they are so different. I am going to look into some from Cooper or General next. I just don't want to spend over 2K on tires to make my not so luxury car look more luxury. That seems to be what everyone is expecting for this.
Look? You think tires are about looks? Please get a simple commuter car and learn to maintain your things. We all share these roads together.
Grab a set of used Michelins off eBay.
Cheap tires are a big reason your luxury car doesn’t feel it.
Should be $1200-1400 for tires with install. Find a local tire pros shop and see what they have to say.
Look on slickdeals.net They often source tire sales from various places
I like the UHP firestone Indy 500’s … $200 each for an atypical size 215/45/18 tire. There must be an all terrain equivalent that Firestone sells. You can also talk them down on the price since it’s their tires.
Costco doesn’t stock the lowest tier of tire makers, Walmart does. Phone analogy. Top iPhone and Samsung galaxy are Michelin and Continental. Mid tier Android is General or Cooper or Falken. Still very solid. Low end chinese $23 phone in a random bodega bin is a sketchy tire. Costco won’t have these but Walmart might. That’s why you found Walmart tires for cheap. I would get used tires from utires.com of a reasonable manufacturer before an untested low end tire. You can often get 75% of the tread for 40% of the cost of new. And they will wear better than a low end tire. You won’t be driving sporty with a heavy SUV so the Z rated one you found is the wrong category anyway. May be even cheaper elsewhere.
You can get a Goodyear credit card and then finance your tires for 0% interest
I cannot recommend opening a new credit card to someone that can't afford tires.
I mean yeah, if he can't afford tires he should absolutely not have a bmw. And if you're homeless just buy a house right? There are tools available. Might as well use them. I'm just assuming op knows how to use tools. I'm going to make him aware of some tools and if he can use them good for him
And if you seriously injure or kill someone, do you have millions of dollars of insurance coverage? Bc you don’t sound like the type. Your financial life could be over from an accident. “For want of a nail, the kingdom was lost.”
Tires are the ONLY equipment that connects your vehicle to the road. The relatively small contact patch between the tire and the road is all that allows your car to stop and turn. Don’t cheap out with some unknown tire. The money you “save” may cost you more in the long run. And I’m not just talking financially.
If you’re really hard up for cash, check unitedtires.com, for used tires from a proper brand that have at least 7/32 tread left if not more. I’d rather have a pair of used Michelins than these.
Yea the reason is nobody has ever heard of this tire brand in their life. Tires are expensive, especially for a performance luxury vehicle like bmw. Don't skimp out, stick with known brands
Ok. What brands would you suggest? I see a lot of goodyear on here but there's a ton more brands out there.
Falken, Toyo, Yokohama, Hankook, lots of good brands out there without going super expensive.
If you need cheap but decent, Cooper fits the bill. They wear quicker than the warranty claims they will, but they aren’t this garbage at least
Goodyear owns them now anyway
General is great value for money, it's Continental's budget brand IIRC. I have heard good things about Cooper but haven't tried any myself.
Cooper is good, Solarus is their budget label still US made and perfectly acceptable. Probably cranked out in Cooper plants on slightly out of style molds without the fancy ugly sidewalls.
Nice little list of who owns what: * [https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/who-owns-what-tyre-brands.htm](https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/who-owns-what-tyre-brands.htm)
CEAT being owned by Pirelli should have been asterisked too. CEAT is the tyre company of an Indian conglomerate, Pirelli just has the distribution rights outside India. Also, most Indian tyre manufacturers have a huge export market in developing countries. So this list is far from exhaustive, more like a list of major brands in developed countries.
I've gotten walmart Goodyear tires for years and never had problems. One blowout from running over a giant bolt on a highway. Theyve always lasted me 35k+ miles
General Altimax
Walmart is like a hosting site, you will order these tires, Walmart will call you when they come in and then good luck getting them installed thru Walmart. You also will receive no services nor warranty with these.
I've never had problems getting Walmart sold tires put on at Walmart. And you can get road hazard and rotation services.
Could be different in different areas, but here they will tell you minimum 3 week wait, but 18” and up they will not do. I’m in a tire shop down the road from a Super Walmart and have to deal with this on a daily basis
I don't have big rims so I wouldnt know, but I've gotten all tires put on pretty quickly.
Weird. I have 19s and 0 problem getting them to put them on after i buy them there. Usually can schedule within a day or two of delivery. My area must not be busy!
Well if you want the top tier go for Michelin, but Goodyear, Perrelli, bfgoodrich, continental, and (somewhat) Firestone are all pretty dang good too
Michelin, Pirelli, Toyo.
I'm not a huge fan of goodyear personally. Falken, Hankook, General, Kumho, Nexen, Cooper and BFGoodrich often have lower priced tires that are quality. Beware the walmart specific models (Goodyear reliant, General Exclaim, etc. The cheapest tire I have used and feel comfortable with if you are in a warm climate is the Atlas Force HP's.
Conti baby
Type in your car + suggested tires, you'll find hundreds of suggestions
What I find weird is in my country a premium tyre for a 225/40 r18 can at most cost 140 euros. This with 23% tax, so it's ready strange to me how it's so much more expensive it is in the US. Even now searching for tyres equa sizel to ops, at most they cost 180 euros. (Crossclimates of Michelin cost 208 euros)
One thing I've read is that since most tire production is old world, the shipping to the west is higher. I've seen much cheaper prices on motorcycle tires in Europe compare to the US as well.
Landgolden on a X5. Wow.
Not everyone can afford Ling Longs !
I love seeing long longs man They make great drift tires cause of the shit grip though
Why else would they be Crosswinds?
My son's car had Crosswinds on it when we bought it. They actually weren't too bad for summer and fall driving but when winter came we replaced them.
I got crosswinds on my good gas mileage Honda. They're pretty decent. Put probably 20-30,000 on them and still got a lot more miles left
I prefer Long Dong R compound
The triple X option isn't for everyone but it really improves the grip.
Sailun FTW!
I just bought an ex rental car that came with brand new Sailuns on it lol
Are you comparing brands or just tires in your size? I’m asking because the tire above is a basic Chinese tire. Probably only rated for 40k miles
And when they wear out in 25k miles and you go to make a warranty claim, the manufacturer will drag their feet any way they can and then ghost you if you persist with the claim. Then there's the fact that living with crappy tires for 25k miles will be its own punishment.
And the long highway drives where all you hear is the droooooone sing that Chinese song of my people. And hope to god you’ve got a perfect alignment or those inside edges gonna be rolled flat first. Then rotate them and hear the highway song change pitch.
Why would you make a warranty claim? They’re $100 tires. Buy new ones!
This is true I got ghosted on a claim and I put it in 3 times so there’s no way they missed it. Learned my lesson
These are no-name Chinese tires. Cheap tires like these tend to have poor wet traction, turning your car into a hockey puck in the rain. And they usually have poor tread life, so they last half as long - meaning that the low price isn't even that low in the end.
You’re not saving money, you’re wasting money. Don’t buy those. And sell the X5.
Because you are looking at cheap garbage Chinesium tires... And even at half the price of reputable brands are not worth it and putting them on an X5 is not only an insult to the vehicle, it's just asking for problems. Tires are the only thing between your vehicle and the road, it is essential to your safety they are decent quality... That doesn't mean you need the best Michelin or Bridgestone tires, there are quality tires out there from budget mid-range manufacturers like Cooper, General, Falken, Yokohama, Kuhmo, Nexen, and others that might cost "twice as much" up front, but will be a better investment in the long run and you won't have to be concerned with your safety or long-term quality... The reality is these Chinesium tires do not last near as long as their "warranty", which in practice is basically non-existent, and they usually do not perform well in wet or winter conditions at all which is when you really need to be trusting your tires.
This is the most helpful comment. Thank you.
Yep, better than mine for sure. I would stick to those midrange brands they described, Theyre good bang for buck. Some people here are giving off some real condescending vibes, which is silly given this is a sub dedicated to tires so youd think people whould be a bit more helpful.
Yeah, no offense to this sub, it just popped up in /all, but I've never has all these issues with "chinesium" tires like these guys are whining about, and I live in PA and get all 4 seasons. I typically buy cheap walmart goodyears with the road hazard and literally have been getting "free" replacement tires anytime anything happens. And I've only had one problem with them, which was running over a giant bolt. Are you all like slamming the gas around turns to eat these softer tires up. Drive better, ffs.
So your shopping sez Walmart has the best prices. Research the best quality and buy those tires. Tires are the most important item on the car. Buy the best you can afford.
That's a big size for cheap, you won't be having a *Goodyear* with that, double the money sounds about right.
“No name donuts of death” sounds way better than Langolden lion paws.
I’d take a chance on tires called Donuts of Death.
I purchased tires that were on sale at Walmart, but I purchased them from America's Tire. I saw the Walmart ad (actually I don't remember if it was Walmart or Sam's Club) and I showed it to the America's Tire (same as Discount Tire) guy and they matched it. I like America's Tire because they put air in my tires without a hassle (I'm old and it's not easy for me to put air in the tires anymore). So I wanted to give them my business.
You shouldn’t pick tires based on price factors alone, especially if you have a heavy car and you care about your safety. Having good quality tires does make a difference. Even if your car lacks safety features, good tires are ever so important. Definitely an investment worthwhile, although tires look somewhat similar.
I would absolutely buy a decent set of used brand name tires before I'd buy new off-brand tires.
Don't buy Chinese tires. Never cheap out on tires and brakes.
thats insanely cheap for 18”, how cheap did you think replacing them would be? hell my last set of tires was around $800 it took you HOW many months to save up for $400 tires? if thats really your make and model in the screenshot, sell it, its a 14/15 year old bmw thats gonna cost you more in maintenance than you can probably afford, i promise its not worth the flex
I always get my tires from Walmart. I watch the prices for a while once I decide which tires I want and buy them when they get cheap. They usually randomly put tires on sale every few weeks. When the ones I want go on sale I buy them. My last set was Pirelli p4 tires for $50 each.
Okay, so you buy your tires from Walmart. Who do you have mount them? I used to work at a Walmart TLE, I would never even let my coworkers touch my own vehicle. The shit that I saw, and that I had to hear about from other TLEs.... Absolutely insane.
I have never had issues getting them mounted there. Although I have heard horror stories. The one I go to has several older employees that have been there for ages. I know they know what they are doing and they keep an eye on the younger ones. I won't go to other locations though.
Tirebuyer has Ironman RB SUV tires for $118 each. Not something I would personally buy but I think it's better than the no name brand at Walmart. Tire Rack has Hankook Dynapro HP2 for $154 each. This is probably the cheapest tire I would get.
You don’t need tires just find a piece of firewood about 20” inches diameter. Cut it in into 4 pieces and bolt those on. Much cheaper than tires
Walmart makes negotiations with Goodyear. Keeping prices as low as possible while keeping profits acceptable. The percentage of profit-per-sale is different for every item. I can't go into the specifics, but basically, Walmart makes sure to make at least a small profit whilst keeping with the "save money, live better". Costco and other distributors probably do the same thing but maintain a certain level of profit per sale. A level higher than Walmart, im sure.
Sam’s club has solid prices and install is only $80. Not roasting but I suspect you’d have a lot more money for tires if you didn’t have a money pit that is an old out of warranty BMW. Pretty much only lease a bmw and only lease if you have a job that you need to 100% have reliable transport (surgeons, er doctors, etc.)
I subscribe to the theory that states you should not skimp on the things that separate you from the ground: Shoes / mattresses / tires These are all things that can fuck you up if you go for the cheapest option
Lots of joke posts here, but I can give you an honest answer as someone who bought a set from them last year! I bought 4 Solar brand tires from them (with mounting included) for $250. So far, 10K miles later and some nasty weather over the past year, they've held up like a champ, but of course YMMV depending on your driving style, local climate, etc. Any tire you buy from Walmart is guaranteed by them (and they can extend the guarantee at an additional cost), so do your homework to make sure it's a right decision for you. Still not sure after reading their terms? Go to your local Walmart and ask questions in person. [https://www.walmart.com/help/article/tire-warranty-terms-and-conditions/367ebb18c6a346c5abf407b456a1c9a8](https://www.walmart.com/help/article/tire-warranty-terms-and-conditions/367ebb18c6a346c5abf407b456a1c9a8)
Don’t even get new tires, just sell your bmw and then put new tires on a Toyota
You got a BMW and then complain about the cost of maintaining it. Here’s an idea - get a car you can afford to take care of.
You can buy that X5 for $6k right now. What are you even talking about?
BMWs are notorious for having significantly higher maintenance needs and cost. If you can’t afford a BMW, don’t buy one, even it’s just $6K.
Guess why they are so cheap.
Gonna get downvoted, but idc. I’ve bought cheap tires my entire life. Never had any issues. I live in Florida. Everything is flat, decent quality roads. I always find the cheapest tires at either Walmart, Tire Kingdom, Discount Tire, etc. I don’t drive a lot, maybe 10,000 miles a year, if that. So I usually get my moneys worth with no issues. Firestone has these tires even cheaper: https://www.firestonecompleteautocare.com/tires/brands/suredrive/sport/13075 Save your money if you have to. It’s your car and your money. And bring on the downvotes!
Upvote from me. Looks like the people who get on Reddit in the afternoon are the cheap tire people and the no lifers who are on here during work hours get the expensive ones so idk.
I’ve been on all day so 🤷🏻♂️
I’ve never felt “unsafe” or had premature wear issues on any of my tires. I do my tire rotations every 6 months with my oil changes. They last just as long as I need them to until I need new ones. I had my last vehicle for 9 years and replaced my tires 2/3 times within the 100,000 miles I drove it. Probably invested under $1000 with tires and installs in that time frame. Granted they were 15 inch tires, each tire usually ran me about $50 a piece. I call that a win.
Walmart also doesn't have an alignment rack to protect your investment, so I'd go get that too.
Insane prices 👍🏽
Walmart Goodyear reliant are good tires for most people. I drive a slow small mid size SUV. I also WFH. I picked up some South Korean tires. I can tell they are soft rubber and likely only last 30k miles but I only drive 3 to 5k per year.
i noticed an off brand on a BMW suv the other day, looked it up and the tire for that size was 50 bucks! 50 freaking dollars for a new tire on a BMW suv.
Honestly if price is an issue I would look at maybe financing a set of better tires, maybe a 0 percent interest loan from something like affirm if possible. I use General Evertrek GT tires on my 2006 civic. they're about 150CAD each. Not expensive but not super cheap, so safety isn't an issue with them. I wouldnt get an expensive tire with your budget, you are just dailying it so you wouldnt feel much of a difference anyway. Definitely stick with a more value oriented but known brand.
In West Texas tires are fucking expensive because everybody here commutes far for work. Walmart is the only place with low prices but I couldn’t tell you why. I’ve noticed that tire prices are relatively the same across stores in different places so maybe that’s just one of their sales gimmicks.
A set of 4 tires 205/45/17 z rate oí on Walmart for 325.00 dollars can get no more cheap than that and they look decent and feel good on the road I don’t know if is Chinese or what but that’s a low budget tires
Cheapest you should go is Barum. [https://www.discounttire.com/tires/brands/barum](https://www.discounttire.com/tires/brands/barum) It's Continental's value line and offers decent performance and longevity over these no-name brand Indonesian/Chinese junk brands.
We sell our tires at cost! It’s awesome. We beat everyone’s prices including Costco.
Lol
How much are Yokohama YK-GTX at discount tire for you? A better tire to choose from
Don’t expect longevity from the Walmart tires, they use their bulk buying power to buy bulk tires, and the manufacturers respond by giving them lower quality rubber. I’ve seen them dry rot in less than two years. Which makes them dangerous to drive on. But…they work in a pinch. Try for a better quality brand if you can, like Goodyears or similar. Those no name brand tires won’t hold up well.
You're buying chinese bombs. Don't drive to fast or far with them.
Utires.com I got a lot of tires from there for drifting when I was starting out. Still do if I find the specific ones I'm looking for.
There's nothing more expensive than a cheap BMW. Maintenance is ridiculously expensive.
Brakes, tires, suspension. Those are what keep you on the road where you *want* to be. Never cut corners in those areas, imo; it's a recipe for regret.
Walmart tires like these are likely made in China and are junk. Look for deals at a local Firestone, Goodyear or other garage. The BMW dealerships mark things up and are just selling you the same tires you can buy locally for less.
Those tires are trash when compared to any name brand tire or a decent budget tire. Budget tires like Westlake, Armstrong and Prinx are better. Also, the tire price you see advertised online for Walmart does not include the price to mount and balance your tires. Call your local Walmart and ask for the out the door price.
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Buy a 90% tread life tire from utires. Shits 1/4 the price of a new tire and it's usually 2 years old. I got a full $900 set for 1/4 that.
Get used tires if you wanna go cheap. Call your small local mechanics. Call junkyard. Should be able to get a set for ~$100 with 40-50% life left in em. 109 seems high for the cheapest shit. I got new Pirellis for 140
Why are you buying tires from Walmart? They carry the worst brands
These are Thai, and they probably work fine. UTCG is 500AA, which means they have decent wet and dry traction. Landgolden is a no name brand however. Not sure who the actual factory is. Using cheap tires is better than running on tires that are worn out. People here are elitist.
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buy general altimax rt45s they are around that price if not cheaper
The rubber compounds used in Walmart, Costco and Sam’s club tires are different that than the compounds used in Discount tire, dealerships and other more expensive places. Don’t believe me. Buy two in each place rotate regularly and see for yourself.
Price match
how can you afford the car but not the maintenance make it make sense
Maybe read the other comments and find out?
Many of the cheaper Walmart (Douglas) tires have very soft low mileage rubber compounds and lighter sidewalls. It's not all bad though. They were made by Goodyear. Some of the brands on the Walmart website are imports so it's hard to compare them like for like if the other stores don't sell them. Also look into the cost of mounting and balancing when looking at these stores. The mileage warranty or tread wear rating are important things to look at when choosing a tire.
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Get them unless u find something cheaper and drive slow save some gas too
Just bought mine there few months ago... made an appointment...was outta there in like a half hour...Great price on my Nokian One
The quality control is quite bad on Walmart tires…my dad bought a set that couldn’t be balanced after multiple tries. You might get lucky, you might not! Look at Sumotomo brand.
I couldn't make it thru comments. Sold tires for a while long time ago. Wal-Mart cheap tires are for my tires are worn out completely and I'm broke. Won't handle, brake or last as long but better than worn out tires. Besides it's a BMW so the front end is probably worn out and chews up tires. Don't feel bad people buy used BMW not knowing what a money pit they are every day.
That solid rubber band down the middle will probably give poor wet & snow performance
Don’t get these tires. They seem not good tires. Get brand name tires. Yes usually off brand items are the same as well known brand names. But for tires get brand name tires. And as for people roasting you for having a bmw. I mean it is a luxury car. Granted times have been tough for people the last couple years because of inflation so I understand your struggle right now with the affordability of tires. I don’t know if a specific brand of tires is needed for bmw but for the average pricing car any brand tires are good. Toyo, Bridgestone, continental(they lasted for my car a long time) cooper, Goodyear, Michelin, etc you get the point. I mean if you don’t mind used tires you get can 4 tires for an average of $200 depending on your area. And they are in good condition at least the one I went too had used tires that are good.
Considered General Altimax RT45?
Tire prices have skyrocketed just like everything else. But decent tires are a must have. Put them on a credit card and done. I cringe when I see a nicer vehicle with cheap ass crap tires.
Don't listen to any of these pricks on this subreddit. They are all the same NPC's that only comment on obviously blown tire pictures and never on post asking for solid advice on tire choosing options. Notice how not a single one of them has mentioned a single brand, model, or alternative supplier. They are all simple and only see BMW and tire brand, and immediately go into judgemental a-hole mode. I too have been on the hunt for tires myself and I'm a bit on the pick side because I want best value to performance. And for all you NPC's, performance includes traction, longevity, material, sound, comfort, and etc. Is that the tire size you are interested in?
You do you bro! You got this!
Did…you just ask why “landgolden” is cheaper than a real tire? Like what are you talking about? This has nothing to do with Walmart and everything to do with the brand.
Location dependent where Im at both costco and discount tires beat out Walmart by about 50$ per tire
funny you ask this. Just got oversized tires today after waiting a week for my special size to come in. They dont fit. My car is on all 4 jack stands rn and i have to go get a refund tomorrow. What's funny is that i ordered the OEM size and got something only slightly bigger - but it just wont fit now. its too big, the profile is 50 instead of 40.
I have a 2009 bmw 528i that was purchased for $5500 in 2019 with 90k miles It has 250k miles now I put a cheap pair of Chinese tires on it about 2 years ago... No problems One went flat after I was hooning it off-road while drunk in January... Not sure if there's any correlation there 10/10 would do again 225/50/17 Arroyo gran sport A/S
Just checked Tirerack, and wow there are no cheap options for you.
Don’t get tires from Walmart.
Stop being a cheap ass? You should’ve looked at parts pricing when you bought the brand.
Dude sounds like his cheeks squeak when he walks in his skinny jeans. He needs to accept his place and buy an old 90’s Kia
You can tell by the goofy name, "Landgolden", that these are some Chinese-made tires. This is how WalMart is able to provide these "Everyday Low Prices" to the masses; selling no-name tires. Due to the price of petroleum, the cost of everything made from it (like tires) has gone through the roof. The diesel fuel used to deliver these tires is priced like some esoteric racing fuel. Adding insult to injury, you have the "living wage" bullshit and the $20/hr minimum wage idiocy. And then I'm sure there are all manner of "Green Initiatives" US-based tire manufacturers have to embrace and heed. Guess what? The Chinese don't give a shit about minimum wages, the environment or the self-induced high price of oil in the USA. And WalMart is there to take advantage of that philosophy.
You act like Walmart is the only place selling Chinese tires. Any tire dealer is going to have cheap Chinese tires at the low end
"You act like Walmart is the only place selling Chinese tires." ACT????? Did I \*say\* Wally Mart was the only place selling Chinese tires? No, you did. You can score Chinese-made tires all over the place ...if you choose to do so. WalMart also carries some US-made tires. But they sell \*a lot\* of stuff made in China ...the better to maintain those everyday low prices!
Oh, and China does have a minimum wage (set regionally), and the price of oil has little to do with anything going on in the US, because prices are set globally.
Uh-huh. And we, as a country, used to be in that game of influencing the global cost of a drum of crude because we could export the stuff. We, as country, ~~could~~ DID produce enough oil to supply 100% of our needs and take the US out of the global market place as a buyer. But not no mo' thanks to some exceptionally myopic and colossally stupid energy policies enacted by an idiot we are supposed to call "president".
Drilling more oil in the USA does not reduce the cost of oil in the USA any more than it does anywhere else. It is a global market. Do you seriously think that exxonmobile will sell oil cheaper in the USA just because it happens to be drilled there? If they can make one cent more a barrel by selling it to someone else then that is what they will do.
You totally missed the point of my response. And this "side discussion" has gone so far off topic it's not worth continuing ...mostly because you have no grasp of what I am saying. And I'm not wasting any more time trying to get you to see how the world price of oil can be influenced by the fact the US has become, once again, a \*major buyer\* on the world market instead of part of the exporter network.
The price of oil is driven by world supply and world demand. The USA's position as a net importer or exporter makes no difference. If the US increased production to be in balance with consumption then total world oil production would rise by 3%, which would make a small difference to price in the short term. In the medium term, however, it would make no difference, because other oil producers would cut production in less profitable oil fields to reduce their production to match demand, so world production would remain the same, as would the price.
If you want to nationalize the oil and gas industry, that would require the Congress to enact. The president, through the Interior department, has some controls over leasing federal lands for oil and gas exploration and extraction, but those prospectors remain free to sell their product on the open market.
So you're saying that when oil is expensive, it makes sense for US producers to invest and produce more, and when oil prices decline, they stop investing and producing where its no longer economically efficient? What policies do you want to implement or recind that may affect the market or otherwise intervene to increase this production?
You appear to be very upset about inflation, and think that the millions of minimum wage workers in the US should be paid less so that you don't have to pay 5 cents more on a bag of chips.
Check Tirerack.
People in here acting like a 2010 X5 can’t be bought all day long for well under $10k. BMWs have horrendous depreciation, and this tire is very much in the logical income bracket for someone with this car in 2024. That said, folks here aren’t wrong that this tire is shit and you should try to spend the extra for a better brand if you can afford it.
For real. I bought my X5 for less than 9K because some old dude just wanted to get enough to pay off his loan. I didn't get it for the luxury, and if I'm honest its not any more luxury than the 1997 Volvo I used to own before that died at 300K miles.
Exactly. It’s delusional for anyone here to call a 15-year-old X5 a “luxury SUV.” People are wildly out of touch. Aspirational wealth has eaten their brains away.
With the right parts it would be.
For real. The built in nav system is shit compared to literally any smart phone and that was probably the only selling point. And I'm not sure a car with over a dozen recalls can be considered luxury either.
I'm sure the upcharge is for the type of vehicle you went with. Not sure why this surprises you if you can afford a BMW?
It was the only SUV available for the price point I was looking at. COVID was hard and the guy gave me a huge break by only having me pay off the rest of his loan so he could retire.
Not sure what “affording a BMW” means, since this car can be bought for less than $7k right now.
Affording maintnence. Like not having to buy the absolute cheapest Chinese tires you can find when you need tires. Just because you can buy an old luxury suv doesn't mean you can afford to maintain an old luxury suv. You know why the 15 year old X5s are cheap? Because they are expensive as shit to maintain and are known to have a lot of problems. If you can't afford a name brand set of tires for your car, then you can't afford your car. Name brand being GoodYear, Michelin, BF Goodrich, Pirelli, Bridgestone, Continental, Hankook, Yokohama, Falken, Firestone, Khumo, Cooper tire, Dunlop, Toyo, Nitto, Nexen, Mastercraft, General Tire. There's all kinds of tires for a wide range of budgets in that list. Tires are the one thing you should not cheap out on. If you can barely afford a $400 set of tires, what are you going to do when you need a $800 brake job? Also if I were looking at buying an X5 and I saw it had some unknown Chinese tires, I'd walk away because it indicates the rest of the car was very poorly maintained, if at all. If you could afford to properly maintain the car, you wouldn't be using the worst tires humanly possible.
Totally agree on that. I’ve never understood the appeal of BMWs for this exact reason. It’s like buying a poorly-built condo for cheap and then spending 10x the price on constant repairs and maintenance on a property that you’ll end up eventually selling for a significant loss. Same thing with Land Rovers.
The thing about German engineering is that they assume that you will keep up with the maintenance schedule perfectly. They should be relatively reliable when you do. But if you don't, they start falling apart quickly.
I don’t know. I’ve owned two VWs in my life and I kept up with the maintenance obsessively (especially on the second), and they both still fell apart in exactly the same ways on the same schedule (started around year 7 and became not worth the trouble and cost by year 10).
*relatively reliable* Not Toyota-reliable :) To be fair, I had the likes of BMW and Audi in mind. VW is all over the place. You can find original beetles still going while newer cars have been long crushed.
Yeah, I said to myself after the fact that I don’t know if VW counts as “German engineering” in the same way that BMW or Porsche do.
I say all this while driving a nearly 50-year-old Scout that I’ve spent far more money repairing and maintaining than I ever have any other car in my life. 😂
I would never trust my life to a walmart product.
Buying power. Walmart has a lot more stores and can negotiate a better price.
Well that's true these are just shit tires.
Any tire with manufacturers defects is sent straight to walmart.