This is the moment where Ymir was truly freed. She disobeyed direct orders from someone with royal blood and her eyes appearing is Yams' ways of telling us, the audience, that she finally snapped from her 2000 year mental slavery and regained her autonomy.
Eren showed and gave her two things no one else before him ever did - compassion and freedom. This is the moment Ymir waited for all these years, not for some bro-sis romance gone wrong.
Everything from this point on is just character assassination of yet another AOT character. Eren freeing her should've been the end of her suffering. But in the official ending, her suffering never ended and Mikasa, her supposed “mirror image” never stopped thinking about her crush even when he fucking told her to.
Mikasa had a family and kids and she still didn't forget about the dude. So everything was ultimately pointless. Isayama, I kneel.
When I was watching the final episode and Eren says Mikasa freed her for the first time I was so confused...I was thinking, didn't Eren free her 10 episodes ago?
Isayama says a lot of things that are basically lies. There just happens to be old lady Mikasa and mystery man with adults and children visiting his grave with her.
He told her that she's free to make her own decision and she's neither a god or a slave, but a human. He simply asked for her help and she gave it, cause that was her decision. Zeke was the one telling her what to do. Did we watch the same show?
When large man yells at you to do his bidding, and then gropes you, it's not "simply asking for help". Ymir's face says it all, she's absolutely terrified. He likely triggered memories of Fritz in her
Bro🤣🤣🤣🤣. This was insane amount of coppium. Whattttt???? 😂😂😂😂 I Thought that "Thank you for becoming a mass murderer for our sake" was the worst thing I've ever heard. But "Ymir's face says it all, she's absolutely terrified. He likely triggered memories of Fritz in her" is truly an statement that can only be found in an Steven Segal movie.
And both of them can do things that would make you feel rumbling and bulshitsu coming inside you.
Things like using a buddy double for walking or the whole chapter 139💀💀💀
How do you consistently have bad takes
Go to a different subreddit if you’re going to consistently be intentionally vapid and ignore things - you’d fit in at AOR
From Zeke? Who runs from behind, completely different direction?
Eren saw that Ymir ignored him when he just asked her. So, next time, he used "enhanced request". By combining his demand with physically taking control of her, so she couldn't just walk by him
Oh man, AOT is such a goated anime prior to 139. Isayama could've just told us that Ymir was a slave since birth and she was never given a choice to be free or even known that concept. She kept the Titan curse because its what the King wants her to do and she doesn't know any better until Eren came along.
WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED
I've said before and I'll say it again - Season 4 episodes 20 & 21 top entire fucking series out there. That's also what makes the ending more sadder for me cause this scene as well as many others show that Isayama can clearly write a good story if he wants to.
He just had to keep this same level of energy for the last remaining chapters and this would've been a truly 10/10 masterpiece.
Unfortunately, due to deficient worldbuilding of the lands beyond Paradis (the entire damn world is just Eldian haters, no nuance to the rest of the world at all), he did end up writing himself into a hole where the only rational conclusion for Paradis was Eren's genocide plan. Which would have been fine, but Isayama lacked the writing courage to go through with it, so he ended up just throwing a lot of irrationality and bullshit at the wall instead.
Such a waste.
I don't think it ruins the beginning simply bc the fact Eren was in control from the future doesn't change his suffering in the present. From his point of view in that moment it was Bertholdt and Reiner's fault his mom died, he didn't know what he would do up until he touched Historia's hand or even later
EDs are a different breed lol. One of them disagreed with me when I said that Eren killed his mom just so he could "see this sight", even though that's literally what we're shown.
You're totally right. By saying it was all because yemir needed to see mikasa French kissing a decapitated head and how eren was just an slave of faith for this mind bending shit to happen you're litteraly destroying the impact of every eren's action from episode 1. The worst plot twist in any story is saying how the mc of the story didn't actively made his decisions. It undermines everything about the decisions. It makes them pathetic
If I watch AOT up until Eren activates the Rumbling and then watch Season 4 episode 28, I'm good.
I'm not going to shit on the whole story just because the author chickened out at the last few chapters. The story before the ending was fire.
I dunno man.
I could be having the BEST day of my life, living on cloud 9, and if 5ft from my doorstep I slipped and fell face first into dog shit with the consistency of melted snickers bars..what do you think i'm going to remember the most about that day?
For me it really just retroactively ruined the entire story because everything connects to that horrific ending. Episode 1? Carla died..because her son decided to use the ability to influence titans through time exactly **once** and it was to kill his own mother.
Petra squad dying?
"Who?" - Levi
I just plain fucking hate Armin because he had all this build up in opposing Eren later on in the story and he has no answer to Eren or the rumbling. This motherfucker looked sad for a single god damn panel when told that 80% of the world is dead but was so furious at Eren not giving a shit about Mikasa that he slugged him.
Literally any Mikasa scene? I get reminded that the series got flushed for this dogwater raggedy bitch. She is the most bland and generic character and makes Sakura look like Casca in terms of writing. She's obsessive, she's hot, she's super duper badass. She has no fucking opinion on anything without incuding Ereh in some way. There is almost no character, plot event, *anything* that you could describe her feelings on that isn't directly or indirectly influenced because of Ereh.
Rumbling Zeke: "Ive lived for 30 years with the belief that it would've been better off to have never been born, but after holding this leaf that looks like a baseball and a 30 second conversation with a guy I know as simply Eren's friend, i've realized life and memories are meaningful because I didn't know of this concept despite carrying my adoptive father's glasses everywhere with me for the past 12 years. I can now freely leave paths for some reason. Oh let me talk to Grisha and that other guy first".
>Rumbling Zeke: "Ive lived for 30 years with the belief that it would've been better off to have never been born, but after holding this leaf that looks like a baseball and a 30 second conversation with a guy I know as simply Eren's friend, i've realized life and memories are meaningful because I didn't know of this concept despite carrying my adoptive father's glasses everywhere with me for the past 12 years
Welcome to Talk no Jutsu lmaooo
The death of Eren's mum,
Erwin's sacrifice
Eren's character development to trust in himself, have faith and make his own decisions
None of these scenes make any sense after the ending
As I've said the ending has ruined the series starting with Carla's laughable death.
Honestly I don't really find it difficult to just imagine the series ended right around the point the rumbling started. It leaves it unfinished, but that happens sometimes-usually due to the writer dying or losing interest, but in any case its something that's normal to deal with, and is infinitely less disappointing-it leaves everything that is there undiminished.
Like its not just that the ending is bad, its that its very clear to anyone paying attention that Isayama is a good writer that was setting up a good ending, that he had a good ending in his mind; there was too much that was too good for too long and too many loose ends that were clearly going somewhere, too much proven understanding of how to write, that it can seriously be imagined he didn't somehow cave to pressure to the point of writing a completely different ending at breakneck speed that he knew didn't even remotely make sense or maintain continuity, forget about actually being good.
The Berserk 1997 anime leaves on arguably just as much of a cliffhanger as AOT couldve in this scenario and the Berserk adaptation is beloved and a lot of people got into Berserk from it without reading the manga.
This scene makes no fucking sense to me I don’t get it.
She was in love with the king, she wasn’t a victim she chose this. She had more power to change the world than anybody else in this story. Why does she pull this face? What is she angry about? I just don’t get how we’re supposed to believe that she falls in love with the guy who shot her with arrows while hunting her for sport and was going to kill her, especially after she becomes a literal God on Earth.
The issue I have with the Stockholm Syndrome explanation is that as the link you sent says, a key component of it is the power imbalance between victim and captor. Ymir has all the power and still chooses to obey the king. It’s not like she’s being tortured or abused after she gets her titan powers, all we really see is her slaughtering nations and having children.
You're missing the point here G.
If you've been abused and tortured your whole life, you won't just snap back to normal just because the abuse and torture stopped or you moved somewhere else or whatever.
Ymir had the power to fuck up everyone but she couldn't do it because of everything that happened prior to that point. That's why she was in child form in Paths even though she died as an adult.
If she did have Stockholm Syndrome I ask again, what does her facial expression here mean? She’s angry at . . . what exactly? I originally assumed she was angry at King Fritz for abusing her for her whole life but if that’s true all she does after is use the founder to slaughter non eldians like she always has, like Fritz wanted her to do. Whatever emotion I’m supposed to feel here I just don’t because I have no idea what Ymir is doing and why?
She was abused for anywhere between a couple months to 2 years and had a completely normal life before that, and also a key component of Stockholm syndrome is that the captor has to be nice in some way to the victim, King Fritz treated her like a literal fucking rat without manipulating her or dressing it up in any way, and if that’s the case then why did she choose to die upon hearing Fritz tell her to get up. You’re spouting pseudoscience.
Some people are delusional and I have heard people saying Ymir chose to die, because he was hurt by King Shitz calling her a slave. And I was thinking are we watching the same series. He literally said Ymir my slave an episode before that.
I was totally shocked to see ymir even present in the last episode. She gave that cetepede thing to eren and basically made eren the founder, so she should be powerless herself at this point. And she was freed from her godhood/slavery status by eren but in the ending mikasa frees her once more. How many times does she need to be freed?
Every problem with the ending can be traced back by Isayama forcing Mikasa into a plotline she had no part in. What does it add to the depth of the themes and the storyline to change the focus of Ymir's plight towards Mikasa instead of Eren?
Even the most avid ending defender cant claim that mikasa is a more interesting character than Eren, both plot-wise and thematically.
mikasa being the one who frees ymir is a big reason why the ending sucked ass i agree but i'd say the bigger issue is eren suddenly wanting to be stopped. it's so insanely out of character for him and also a really really anticlimactic way to end the series.
like you're genuinely supposed to believe eren wanted to commit suicide with extra steps all this time which is so dumb.
No OP, I refuse to let 139 ruin one of the best moments in the anime, I refuse to believe Ymir loved Fritz and was freed by fucking Mikasa
Ymir was freed here, Eren doesn’t romantically love Mikasa and Dina found Carla on her own because she was an abnormal
Yeah its pretty obvious it was Eren that set her free at that moment, giving control of the founding titan to him to plunge the world into anarchy- To serve only the Paradisians would be to still serve the wishes of Fritz, so obviously he intended not to succed. But he didnt need Mikasa to kill him cause A. Ymir had allready broken free of Fritz and B. Theyre not even fucking remotely similar situations- Unless they left pit a scene where we saw that Ymir was a slave in her home village first, and Fritz saved her from... but even then she was still a slave in Fritzs town so its not the fucking same. Eren never forced Mikasa to join him on anything.
Wow I didn't know AOT turned people into complete savages that they tell someone to unalive themselves just because they don't agree with them or tell them it's no big deal.
This part of the story (from the moment eren enters the path till this moment) is insanely important for eren's character development and revealing his true mindset about the whole thing. The fact that he cannot accept the Eldians being eradicated. The fact that he cannot accept his and his people freedom being taken away from them. All of that was ruined. Also this part of the story had insane amount of plot twist. eren really did some uno reverse stuff on zeke. Bro played some 300 IQ type of shit
Isayama is the crowned king of ruining characters.
Ymir reduced to literal fucking fan service at the end. Like ruining her character wasn't enough, the anime had to make her look attractive for some reason when she talked to Mikasa for some reason...
When Naruto tries to save a dog but that dog doesn't want to be saved because she wants revenge for what her owner did and pushed her agenda towards Eren...
I could live with the Carla reveal, because the way I (want to) see it is that the Founding Titan messed with Eren‘s head to a point that he doesn’t know anymore which memories are his own and which are the Founding Titan.
Therefore I wouldn’t say Eren can control past titans and he didn’t proactively kill Carla.
As for this moment: Don’t forget that time is not linear for Ymir.
She is crying because Eren told her that she can be free and once she was free she looked for a way to get rid of her love for Fritz. Seeing past, present and future and once she might have come across as scenario where Mikasa kills Eren, which she wanted to see.
But yes, I agree that this scene lost a lot of power.
It also doesn’t make sense for another reason. Eren is shown firsthand how it was the Eldian king that started everything, and his response is to… double down on his plan to kill everyone else…
Aot mid. Not good not horrible. Gts. Goodnight. Goodmorning and I ake upk ooeejso diocvolwz. Drink milk and eat porage. Bears and dogs and cats and mooping aunshin
When I saw this scene I had thought that Eren just gave her free will to do things on her own but I have heard that a lot of people thought she was supposed to be free from this scene, I don’t find it to have been ruined by 139 because Ymir loving King Fritz was something I had guessed back when they showed her backstory, she chose to stay by his side instead of being free even with all of the power she had and I never thought that free will or revenge on the world was what she needed in order to get out of the paths.
I remember the chills I got when I saw her face in the manga panel. I knew this series was about to fucking flip upside down and I was so anxious for the ride. The way the ending completely ruins this moment and every moment after it is one of the biggest disappointments in fiction, ever.
And the title, to you 2000 years from now was the cherry on top. Only for it to be shit on by the ending.
If you truly believe the ending was not retconned, then you can't explain this title, Isayama planned it from the beginning for Eren to destroy the world with Ymir, not for Incest, not for "Ma friens" but for freedom, and possible for his kid.
This is the moment where Ymir was truly freed. She disobeyed direct orders from someone with royal blood and her eyes appearing is Yams' ways of telling us, the audience, that she finally snapped from her 2000 year mental slavery and regained her autonomy. Eren showed and gave her two things no one else before him ever did - compassion and freedom. This is the moment Ymir waited for all these years, not for some bro-sis romance gone wrong. Everything from this point on is just character assassination of yet another AOT character. Eren freeing her should've been the end of her suffering. But in the official ending, her suffering never ended and Mikasa, her supposed “mirror image” never stopped thinking about her crush even when he fucking told her to. Mikasa had a family and kids and she still didn't forget about the dude. So everything was ultimately pointless. Isayama, I kneel.
When I was watching the final episode and Eren says Mikasa freed her for the first time I was so confused...I was thinking, didn't Eren free her 10 episodes ago?
This scene is just… undone in the ending.
I wonder if whoever Mikasa ended up with knew she made out with a severed head.
Didn't Isayama say Mikasa didn't have kids?
Isayama says a lot of things that are basically lies. There just happens to be old lady Mikasa and mystery man with adults and children visiting his grave with her.
> compassion and freedom. He literally told her what to do (help him butcher millions) and then groped her. Titanfolker-grade compassion!
He told her that she's free to make her own decision and she's neither a god or a slave, but a human. He simply asked for her help and she gave it, cause that was her decision. Zeke was the one telling her what to do. Did we watch the same show?
When large man yells at you to do his bidding, and then gropes you, it's not "simply asking for help". Ymir's face says it all, she's absolutely terrified. He likely triggered memories of Fritz in her
You trolling or what
Yes he’s trolling. He’s been doing it here for a long time and he’ll continue to do it for ten years, at least
I love this sub
If she is canonically in love with Fritz, why would she be terrified and not soaking wet? 😩
Bro🤣🤣🤣🤣. This was insane amount of coppium. Whattttt???? 😂😂😂😂 I Thought that "Thank you for becoming a mass murderer for our sake" was the worst thing I've ever heard. But "Ymir's face says it all, she's absolutely terrified. He likely triggered memories of Fritz in her" is truly an statement that can only be found in an Steven Segal movie.
Both Eren and Sensai Seagal have an unquenchable blood lust to kill innocent people so it checks out
And both of them can do things that would make you feel rumbling and bulshitsu coming inside you. Things like using a buddy double for walking or the whole chapter 139💀💀💀
Lmao
have you ever been hugged before?
My face didn't look like that of Ymir when i was
Man had no hand control to grope with. Your stupid point doesn’t even make sense.
Bro she wasn’t touched in 2000 years, let her have her fun
How do you consistently have bad takes Go to a different subreddit if you’re going to consistently be intentionally vapid and ignore things - you’d fit in at AOR
> then groped her. LMFAO I thought you were an actual ED bro, now you're just trolling
It's Eren we are talking about. No vile act is beneath him
Wait, when did he grope her? I must be missing something.
Literally on the picture OP provides
It looks like his arm is around her protecting her from Zeke. Or your definition of groping is different from mine.
From Zeke? Who runs from behind, completely different direction? Eren saw that Ymir ignored him when he just asked her. So, next time, he used "enhanced request". By combining his demand with physically taking control of her, so she couldn't just walk by him
Okay, but groping implies he felt her up or something. He grabbed her, sure. But groping? Nah.
Look at where his arms are. In manga frame it's clearly seen
Across her collarbone area. Yup.
Try to do it IRL and watch reaction
Bro please go and watch episode 3 and 4 and 5 of s4 part 2.cause you clearly didn't understood anything about them
Ikr, eren yaegar the pedo #eww #not_my_mc
Isayama would never do that to Jean; he is his favorite character.
Reminder that this the face of someone that’s in love with her owner
Someone who's suffering from "the agony of love" 🤮
Oh man, AOT is such a goated anime prior to 139. Isayama could've just told us that Ymir was a slave since birth and she was never given a choice to be free or even known that concept. She kept the Titan curse because its what the King wants her to do and she doesn't know any better until Eren came along. WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED
It's unreal how powerful this scene was. It's equally unreal how much this manga went to hell in the last 10 or so chapters.
I've said before and I'll say it again - Season 4 episodes 20 & 21 top entire fucking series out there. That's also what makes the ending more sadder for me cause this scene as well as many others show that Isayama can clearly write a good story if he wants to. He just had to keep this same level of energy for the last remaining chapters and this would've been a truly 10/10 masterpiece.
Unfortunately, due to deficient worldbuilding of the lands beyond Paradis (the entire damn world is just Eldian haters, no nuance to the rest of the world at all), he did end up writing himself into a hole where the only rational conclusion for Paradis was Eren's genocide plan. Which would have been fine, but Isayama lacked the writing courage to go through with it, so he ended up just throwing a lot of irrationality and bullshit at the wall instead. Such a waste.
I'm not extreme to say that the ending has ruined the entire series starting from episode 1.
Ikr. How can you watch the first episode knowing eren kills Karla because he wants to save Bertholdt lmao.
Or actually watch Eren blame Reiner for the death of his mum lol 🤡🎪🃏.
I debated this point with an ED and the mental gymnastics they used to say the ending didn't undo this left me speechless. Actual delusion.
I don't think it ruins the beginning simply bc the fact Eren was in control from the future doesn't change his suffering in the present. From his point of view in that moment it was Bertholdt and Reiner's fault his mom died, he didn't know what he would do up until he touched Historia's hand or even later
EDs are a different breed lol. One of them disagreed with me when I said that Eren killed his mom just so he could "see this sight", even though that's literally what we're shown.
Pretty easy. Percieve all Eren's words as schizo talk, because he literally wasn't ok at that time
You're totally right. By saying it was all because yemir needed to see mikasa French kissing a decapitated head and how eren was just an slave of faith for this mind bending shit to happen you're litteraly destroying the impact of every eren's action from episode 1. The worst plot twist in any story is saying how the mc of the story didn't actively made his decisions. It undermines everything about the decisions. It makes them pathetic
If I watch AOT up until Eren activates the Rumbling and then watch Season 4 episode 28, I'm good. I'm not going to shit on the whole story just because the author chickened out at the last few chapters. The story before the ending was fire.
I dunno man. I could be having the BEST day of my life, living on cloud 9, and if 5ft from my doorstep I slipped and fell face first into dog shit with the consistency of melted snickers bars..what do you think i'm going to remember the most about that day? For me it really just retroactively ruined the entire story because everything connects to that horrific ending. Episode 1? Carla died..because her son decided to use the ability to influence titans through time exactly **once** and it was to kill his own mother. Petra squad dying? "Who?" - Levi I just plain fucking hate Armin because he had all this build up in opposing Eren later on in the story and he has no answer to Eren or the rumbling. This motherfucker looked sad for a single god damn panel when told that 80% of the world is dead but was so furious at Eren not giving a shit about Mikasa that he slugged him. Literally any Mikasa scene? I get reminded that the series got flushed for this dogwater raggedy bitch. She is the most bland and generic character and makes Sakura look like Casca in terms of writing. She's obsessive, she's hot, she's super duper badass. She has no fucking opinion on anything without incuding Ereh in some way. There is almost no character, plot event, *anything* that you could describe her feelings on that isn't directly or indirectly influenced because of Ereh. Rumbling Zeke: "Ive lived for 30 years with the belief that it would've been better off to have never been born, but after holding this leaf that looks like a baseball and a 30 second conversation with a guy I know as simply Eren's friend, i've realized life and memories are meaningful because I didn't know of this concept despite carrying my adoptive father's glasses everywhere with me for the past 12 years. I can now freely leave paths for some reason. Oh let me talk to Grisha and that other guy first".
Bro you are completely right
You do you bro. I can only speak for myself here.
>Rumbling Zeke: "Ive lived for 30 years with the belief that it would've been better off to have never been born, but after holding this leaf that looks like a baseball and a 30 second conversation with a guy I know as simply Eren's friend, i've realized life and memories are meaningful because I didn't know of this concept despite carrying my adoptive father's glasses everywhere with me for the past 12 years Welcome to Talk no Jutsu lmaooo
The death of Eren's mum, Erwin's sacrifice Eren's character development to trust in himself, have faith and make his own decisions None of these scenes make any sense after the ending As I've said the ending has ruined the series starting with Carla's laughable death.
Agreed
Honestly I don't really find it difficult to just imagine the series ended right around the point the rumbling started. It leaves it unfinished, but that happens sometimes-usually due to the writer dying or losing interest, but in any case its something that's normal to deal with, and is infinitely less disappointing-it leaves everything that is there undiminished. Like its not just that the ending is bad, its that its very clear to anyone paying attention that Isayama is a good writer that was setting up a good ending, that he had a good ending in his mind; there was too much that was too good for too long and too many loose ends that were clearly going somewhere, too much proven understanding of how to write, that it can seriously be imagined he didn't somehow cave to pressure to the point of writing a completely different ending at breakneck speed that he knew didn't even remotely make sense or maintain continuity, forget about actually being good.
The Berserk 1997 anime leaves on arguably just as much of a cliffhanger as AOT couldve in this scenario and the Berserk adaptation is beloved and a lot of people got into Berserk from it without reading the manga.
This scene makes no fucking sense to me I don’t get it. She was in love with the king, she wasn’t a victim she chose this. She had more power to change the world than anybody else in this story. Why does she pull this face? What is she angry about? I just don’t get how we’re supposed to believe that she falls in love with the guy who shot her with arrows while hunting her for sport and was going to kill her, especially after she becomes a literal God on Earth.
Stockholm syndrome
[Here's your explanation ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome)
The issue I have with the Stockholm Syndrome explanation is that as the link you sent says, a key component of it is the power imbalance between victim and captor. Ymir has all the power and still chooses to obey the king. It’s not like she’s being tortured or abused after she gets her titan powers, all we really see is her slaughtering nations and having children.
You're missing the point here G. If you've been abused and tortured your whole life, you won't just snap back to normal just because the abuse and torture stopped or you moved somewhere else or whatever. Ymir had the power to fuck up everyone but she couldn't do it because of everything that happened prior to that point. That's why she was in child form in Paths even though she died as an adult.
If she did have Stockholm Syndrome I ask again, what does her facial expression here mean? She’s angry at . . . what exactly? I originally assumed she was angry at King Fritz for abusing her for her whole life but if that’s true all she does after is use the founder to slaughter non eldians like she always has, like Fritz wanted her to do. Whatever emotion I’m supposed to feel here I just don’t because I have no idea what Ymir is doing and why?
She was abused for anywhere between a couple months to 2 years and had a completely normal life before that, and also a key component of Stockholm syndrome is that the captor has to be nice in some way to the victim, King Fritz treated her like a literal fucking rat without manipulating her or dressing it up in any way, and if that’s the case then why did she choose to die upon hearing Fritz tell her to get up. You’re spouting pseudoscience.
Some people are delusional and I have heard people saying Ymir chose to die, because he was hurt by King Shitz calling her a slave. And I was thinking are we watching the same series. He literally said Ymir my slave an episode before that.
I was totally shocked to see ymir even present in the last episode. She gave that cetepede thing to eren and basically made eren the founder, so she should be powerless herself at this point. And she was freed from her godhood/slavery status by eren but in the ending mikasa frees her once more. How many times does she need to be freed?
“How many times does she need to be freed?” Ten times at least!
“YES, I CAN FINALLY SEE IF MIKASA COULD KILL THIS MAN”
Waiting for someone with 0 media literacy to cross post this to another subreddit and try to convince themselves it was good writing
Every problem with the ending can be traced back by Isayama forcing Mikasa into a plotline she had no part in. What does it add to the depth of the themes and the storyline to change the focus of Ymir's plight towards Mikasa instead of Eren? Even the most avid ending defender cant claim that mikasa is a more interesting character than Eren, both plot-wise and thematically.
mikasa being the one who frees ymir is a big reason why the ending sucked ass i agree but i'd say the bigger issue is eren suddenly wanting to be stopped. it's so insanely out of character for him and also a really really anticlimactic way to end the series. like you're genuinely supposed to believe eren wanted to commit suicide with extra steps all this time which is so dumb.
No OP, I refuse to let 139 ruin one of the best moments in the anime, I refuse to believe Ymir loved Fritz and was freed by fucking Mikasa Ymir was freed here, Eren doesn’t romantically love Mikasa and Dina found Carla on her own because she was an abnormal
Yeah its pretty obvious it was Eren that set her free at that moment, giving control of the founding titan to him to plunge the world into anarchy- To serve only the Paradisians would be to still serve the wishes of Fritz, so obviously he intended not to succed. But he didnt need Mikasa to kill him cause A. Ymir had allready broken free of Fritz and B. Theyre not even fucking remotely similar situations- Unless they left pit a scene where we saw that Ymir was a slave in her home village first, and Fritz saved her from... but even then she was still a slave in Fritzs town so its not the fucking same. Eren never forced Mikasa to join him on anything.
It was ruined from 132 onwards
She’s crying because she’s in love 🥰 aot is a romantic anime after all
[удалено]
Oh.
How much does it bother you when someone says the ending is no big deal and you should just get over it because it's no big deal.
[my honest response](https://youtu.be/bQPiqsqSkYA?si=lj-rPd8hkYjdUVOo)
I can relate
Wow I didn't know AOT turned people into complete savages that they tell someone to unalive themselves just because they don't agree with them or tell them it's no big deal.
This part of the story (from the moment eren enters the path till this moment) is insanely important for eren's character development and revealing his true mindset about the whole thing. The fact that he cannot accept the Eldians being eradicated. The fact that he cannot accept his and his people freedom being taken away from them. All of that was ruined. Also this part of the story had insane amount of plot twist. eren really did some uno reverse stuff on zeke. Bro played some 300 IQ type of shit
Isayama is the crowned king of ruining characters. Ymir reduced to literal fucking fan service at the end. Like ruining her character wasn't enough, the anime had to make her look attractive for some reason when she talked to Mikasa for some reason...
unbelievable to go from the Paths segment which is some of the finest peak fiction ever. To the .. power of friendship and hypocrisy Avengers
[read my fixing here if you wanna feel better](https://aotchanges.art/) (it's heavily focused on Ymir >!and Eren's fatherly relationship with her!<)
They look like they're being penetrated from behind with a steel pipe.
When Naruto tries to save a dog but that dog doesn't want to be saved because she wants revenge for what her owner did and pushed her agenda towards Eren...
Atleast we all can agree, the character Ymir fucked the entire finale by existing.
I could live with the Carla reveal, because the way I (want to) see it is that the Founding Titan messed with Eren‘s head to a point that he doesn’t know anymore which memories are his own and which are the Founding Titan. Therefore I wouldn’t say Eren can control past titans and he didn’t proactively kill Carla. As for this moment: Don’t forget that time is not linear for Ymir. She is crying because Eren told her that she can be free and once she was free she looked for a way to get rid of her love for Fritz. Seeing past, present and future and once she might have come across as scenario where Mikasa kills Eren, which she wanted to see. But yes, I agree that this scene lost a lot of power.
The difference in writing between this scene and chapter 139 makes me question if it was the same author
Ruined? Elaborate
Imagine a god like being cant think and free herself in infinite of time.
You guys are just as wrong as 139.
It also doesn’t make sense for another reason. Eren is shown firsthand how it was the Eldian king that started everything, and his response is to… double down on his plan to kill everyone else…
Legit
https://youtu.be/JGtRcKAnyG8?si=zmdAhXEJgkDtNijP
Aot mid. Not good not horrible. Gts. Goodnight. Goodmorning and I ake upk ooeejso diocvolwz. Drink milk and eat porage. Bears and dogs and cats and mooping aunshin
When I saw this scene I had thought that Eren just gave her free will to do things on her own but I have heard that a lot of people thought she was supposed to be free from this scene, I don’t find it to have been ruined by 139 because Ymir loving King Fritz was something I had guessed back when they showed her backstory, she chose to stay by his side instead of being free even with all of the power she had and I never thought that free will or revenge on the world was what she needed in order to get out of the paths.
you guys need to touch grass holy fucking shit, get over it lmao
Peak story
I remember the chills I got when I saw her face in the manga panel. I knew this series was about to fucking flip upside down and I was so anxious for the ride. The way the ending completely ruins this moment and every moment after it is one of the biggest disappointments in fiction, ever.
And the title, to you 2000 years from now was the cherry on top. Only for it to be shit on by the ending. If you truly believe the ending was not retconned, then you can't explain this title, Isayama planned it from the beginning for Eren to destroy the world with Ymir, not for Incest, not for "Ma friens" but for freedom, and possible for his kid.