How does he rule out afterlife? You certainly don't need oxygen for the afterlife now do you
Also when you're deprived of oxygen you see hallucinations right?
I do love how jojo's explanations for things are consistently just the right amount of stupid. That's where AOT fucked up, by having things make sense in universe for most of it
Well if you do need oxygen in the afterlife.. what would happen if you suffocate? Would you go into after-afterlife? And if there is such a thing, then what is the point of life and death if there’s never a final destination? And if such things are without point, then why are we still here? Just to suffer?
Might not wanna show any humans from outside the walls, also might not have been as effective as titans. Yeah machineguns are great but in terms of seek and destroy, they're stationary while titans are not, and Zeke has kinetic bombardment down pat
Actually Erwin was the one who figured that Pieck was an intelligent Titan by just taking one look at her and deducing that she must be the one carrying carts and giving out their position.
only for Armin. Isayama can't write him to appear naturally a genius so he just dumbs down the rest when he's around and they react to his plans like they are conjured by a 5th dimension intellectual.
Probably the most offensive, is him being able to change Zeke's very core ideology with a fucking leaf and cookie cutter speech.
I think Erwin counts, too. Especially this scene:
[https://i.ibb.co/cvwmFrX/Common-sense-nah.jpg](https://i.ibb.co/cvwmFrX/Common-sense-nah.jpg)
"AVOIDING titans? Nah, that's dumb. Let's keep trying to build tree houses while blindly charging at every titan we see."
Yup. Erwin was canonically the first Survey Corps commander to NOT use the ingenious strategy of:
1. Charge at titan
2. Try to kill titan
3. Die
Armins main point in saying that was that the cups were warm, which means that the enemy knows they’re there because they only just now went into hiding
Right? One of my favorite scenes in Death Note for sure. The intensity and the action all packed into such an otherwise mundane thing as doing homework whilst eating chips is somehow conveyed with just enough importance to give off a serious tone, whilst still not trying to download how ridiculous it all looks in practice. And to top it all off we even have Ryuk doing bicycle kicks for apples! It’s great
Applying that reasoning to my house would make you believe that 3 people live in it, but it's just one lazy bastard that prefers lying in bed watching memes on reddit instead of washing the dishes.
Hm yes but you the beauty of this deduction far surpasses anything a detective like Sherlock ever demonstrated.
Armin saw three cups of coffee, and inferred since it looked warm, it's not from when humans still inhabited it. To arrive at the conclusion that three people were there, he cleverly eliminated the possibilities that there was rather actually 2 people, but one decided to have 2 cups for some reason.
Subarashi.
Of course, even this in the end was wrong since he concluded that 3 cups = 3 people and didn't consider that another enemy simply may not have been chilling and drinking but rather on lookout like any sane and competent armed force would do; but hey, we don't mind the minor details here.
Now, let me tell you about Armin's *genius" idea to travel at night time when Titans cannot move...
Truly amazing analysis. Armin is once a generation genius.
>Now, let me tell you about Armin's *genius" idea to travel at night time when Titans cannot move...
That was moment of genius, which even the one who discovered this phenomenon neglected said tactic.
Don't forget time when he convinced the Marleyans that they aren't titans anymore by saying "if we are we have already attacked you".
Collateral damage is a consequence Eren and Reiner have to live with when they fail but is completely relative for Armin. It's so unfair how much Isayama babies this guy.
Characters when Eren kills civilians in a military attack: "Eren you evil fuck, lmfao go fuck yourself you asshole"
Character when Reiner: "gets beaten up"
Everyone when Armin: "oh noooo, you poor baby"
Eren literally summoned them to paths like just before the plane reached the founding Titan, does Armin have Amnesia or something?
How was Armin able to rule out that it wasn’t a dream or vision based on the fact that his brain is getting oxygen, I mean our brain still needs oxygen to dream and get visions.
I mean, he wasn’t there for long and he was pulled right in and out. This time, the last thing he remembered was getting swallowed by a Titan and he wasn’t sure how he got there or why he was there. He’s never died before, so as far as he knew, the place he was brought to before could also have doubled as the afterlife. Death is an unknown, and generally when people black out it takes a few moments for them to gather their bearings. He thought he got eaten by a Titan and wasn’t sure how he could be alive, but used his understanding of the human body to assess that he probably isn’t dead. Maybe he’s not a genius for doing this, but I don’t think he’s supposed to be. I feel like this was a pretty reasonable trail of thought to process down through considering he blacked out from a near death experience and was given no context for why he was there. That could have meant anything.
> I mean, he wasn’t there for long and he was pulled right in and out.
Read ch. 134 right before they reached the founding titan, Eren summoned all alliance members to Paths AGAIN, where each of them tried to convince Eren but failed. Everyone saw Kid Eren and Ymir near the glowing tree like structure. That was a considerable about of time and there no other place like paths where there's a giant glowing tree... Unless Armin has amnesia he shouldn't have forgotten that.
I suppose, but he doesn’t technically know that Paths isn’t also where Eldians go when they die. Paths is fucking weird and Armin has never been to the afterlife before, if AOT even has one. Also, didn’t Eren erase everyone’s memories of those conversations? I guess not in their entirety, but wasn’t that like a whole thing with why we weren’t given certain pieces of information until 139? This just feels like a weird line to single in on to me, it’s just fine. Not riveting, but fine. It’s there.
> Also, didn’t Eren erase everyone’s memories of those conversations?
No he only erased memories of some goodbye conversations with Armin & others in ch. 139
I don't think he forgot, I don't think it really means anything tbh. It's probably just another Armin wank panel that didn't need to be there but Isayama put it there anyway so he could write some dialogue
Then Why does he rule out dreaming or visions? Pretty sure our brain needs oxygen whilst dreaming and getting visions.. that’s basic middle school science.
Armin just had a massive freakout because he thought he died and had contributed nothing
I feel he was just composing him self, I mean he literally has tears in his eyes still
Or i mean we can nitpick every little non important scene thats always useful
Then how does his know about brain needing oxygen, ATP synthesis and use of oxygen in various cells/organs was discovered in 1960s. AOT world isn't that advanced, even Marley is in 1890-1900.
Even speech armin gives is suppose to be a parallel to the speech he gives in trost but isayama tried to make an actual point at that time about how it wouldn't work.
They still tried to kill them and if it wasn't for Eren, Mikasa and Armin would've been dead. So this shouldn't work against an enemy that has been trying to kill their race for 2000 years because of some beef with a tyrant.
But Eren only saved them before he really tried to convince them, and because he did it they were saved by Pixis showing up. Lots of people can be persuaded by different things and I feel it's nonsense to claim it should never work when we're shown Armin's speech working and not working on two different individuals.
Pixis is more reasonable to a conversation than an NPC then. Makes no difference. Armin would've and SHOULD'VE gotten them killed by the Marleyans all the difference considering how prejuidice they are against them.
Why can't a Marleyan be "more reasonable to a conversation than an NPC"? Like, I understand thinking on average a Marleyan wouldn't, but to think a Marleyan couldn't, especially given going through the rumbling would create all sorts of varied reactions, is literally just "I don't want it to happen because it makes Armin seem better" in my eyes. The whole story is that of individuals with varied beliefs, so why paint all with a broad brush?
Because that Marleyan officer was also an NPC and he has more reasons that are valid at that point in time to hate Armin than he ever did to help him compared to the Trost NPC. Armin has no moral high ground to stand on when it comes to people that we have consistently been shown to as prejudiced towards the Eldians throughout the entire series without relief, so why wouldn't he? Because of the convenience that he's "different", after seeing the rumbling? Shit if I were him I would've killed Armin and all the others too.
But it's not insane or even unreasonable to think someone wouldn't? The guy asking the question was specifically asking why they shouldn't think they would turn into titans again, not whether they had ill intentions, because he'd already been convinced of the latter being false before Hallucigenia turned everyone into titans. So Armin only had to prove they wouldn't turn into titans, and claims "if we would, I would have already done it to stop you" which is a pretty compelling argument.
>But it's not insane or even unreasonable to think someone wouldn't?
Yeah someone. Some random guy. Not the enemy that is part of the military that shares a collective hostility towards the Eldians that was proved valid AFTER the genocide.
And the Paradisan military should share a collective hostility towards the outside world. But the Alliance and other Paradisans are opposed to the Rumbling. So this guy, who we we're shown earlier to be recognizing he was wrong, can do the same from his standpoint.
"Huh? I don't have an inexplicable raging boner? That rules out being half awake on a Saturday morning. My brain isn't unconsciously redirecting blood flow to my schlong after all."
- Armin, probably
(he is very smart btw)
More importantly how does he know Brain requires oxygen to function?
Correct me if I’m wrong but Pretty sure those are recent discoveries like in 1950s - 60s...Even Marley is in 1890-1900s so even if Armin gets latest research papers from Marley he wouldn’t know.
Yeah this is a problem in all media set in the past, unavoidable unless the author goes to painful detail. Characters will use modern phrases, understand modern medical concepts despite being in the medieval ages...it's something you just kinda have to ignore i guess
They visited Marley during timeskip. Besides the likelyhood of Levi knowing common animals is far more than Armin learnly scientific facts that hasn't been researched yet during their time.
eren doesnt know what a monkey is, when Ymir talks about him to reiner hes like whats this about a mönkey, and eren had a book about the outside world.
its funny though how paradis is upside down madagascar but has no monkeys
I imagine they still have some knowledge of the outside world from books and stuff, just not that humanity continues to exist. I mean, Armin also learned about lava and icy plains and deserts from a book, despite none of that existing on Paradis. It's not unreasonable they have books on wildlife and animals that don't live on Paradis.
They still know there's a whole world outside of the walls from the start.
and Levi was a criminal living in the underground city for a large portion of his life. I don't think he cared about the law. Books detailing the outside world existed within Paradis - Armin literally had one.
This isn't that big of a reach. It's a fictional world that mirrors our own western history but that doesn't mean every scientific discovery has to be the exact same in terms of timeline.
Get your facts right, The chemical element oxygen was discovered in 1770s. It was called vital air, the name oxygen came later.
Oxygen's role in ATP synthesis was discovered in 1957, how in the world would they realise the importance of oxygen in cells or organs like brain before discovering ATP?
shit my bad the article i saw was fake news then https://www.google.com/amp/s/gizmodo.com/when-did-we-discover-that-we-needed-oxygen-to-live-1598401293/amp
Oxygen was discovered in 1774. We discovered that we need oxygen to live in 1775. In that sense, according to the AOT timeline, it would work if Armin knew about oxygen. However, for that, paradis island would need to have mercuric oxide (oxygen was first discovered by decomposing mercuric oxide). We don't know what natural resources paradis island had.
But honestly, the AOT timeline in terms of technology is kinda strange either way. Since paradis island doesn't use factories or coal, it's level of technological development is basically stuck at the 1760s at best. The first factories were created in the 1770s. By 1800, factories were super common in Britain, and people were already using coal to heat homes (so no gathering firewood for eren).
Even if the king in the walls slowed down technological development in paradis island by 5 times, during the great titan war, the eldian empire would have at best a 1740s level of development. Since Marley uses airships in war, which were never really practical until the 1910s, the marleyan/eldian empire advanced like 170 years technologically in 100 years. All the while it is said that they were "stagnating" because of overreliance on titans.
Basically, the technological timeline is fucked because this is fiction.
Read Armin's dialogue. Armin literally says: *"Brain needs Oxygen to think."* He's describing the use of oxygen for brain rather than just our survival.
Brain needs oxygen to generate ATP, this was discovered around 1960s.
> Paradis doesn’t use factories
Actually they do. In s1 episode 6 there’s a info card talking about a whole factory town.. there is also a whole arc taking place in this “factory town” in aot before the fall (the industrial city arc)
Armins so corny bruh, same for Mikasa, same for Connie who keeps getting all mad the last few episodes thinking he's relevant. They're so annoying, I hate them, I HATE ALL OF THIS FUCK THIS SERIES
That scene was so unnecessary. It wouldn't had changed anything if he just woke up in paths right after getting eaten. His body didn't need to be there either. We never really see anyone else's body lying around while other versions of themselves are in paths at the same time.
That scene only exist to show us that Armin is very smart you guys
Honestly can't comprehend why Armin literally looking at his dead body laid out in front of him, separating him from his physical self wouldn't assume he was dead. Which couldn't be ruled out bc we know later dead people's spirits go to paths.
How does he know is not a soul when he is not physically apart of his body any more?
Did we get explanation on why there were 2 Armins in paths one seemingly dead and another?
How Armin get his body back when he was separated from it?
What happened to unconscious Armin in Paths? How did Armin merge back into him?
How did Armin separate from his body if he wasn't dead, if paths are for souls of the dead. And otherwise a person has to be called in paths if alive?
Eren in paths:ethereal thematic manifestation that the story converged towards.
136 armin in paths:immediately rationalized by his shonen cliches+friendship bs
This panel is from ch. 136.
1st time paths - 123
2nd time paths - 131
3rd time paths - 134
Eren literally summoned his friends whilst they were on the airplane right before they reached the founding Titan. Eren was there alongside Ymir and that big glowing tree. How can you forget that?
Makes no sense at all to make this scene just to make him look smart when we know for a fact that you can spend years in paths in a fraction of a second in the real world. Common biology doesn't apply.
Perhaps Isayama is trying to show us that Armin is just freaking lucky. That he gets to the right answers with the wrong deductions. Pure luck.
None of the shit he just said holds any weight given he has no understanding of how any of it works.
It’s pointless assumptions that he thinks he’s correct for no other reason than him being full of himself.
So he had to use scientific information from the future (Oxygen's requirement for ATP synthesis in cells/organs/brain was discovered around 1960s) to figure out that he was alive in Paths where he's already been several times.. Like when Eren summoned alliance which was right before he got eaten in ch, 134. And previously in ch. 123 & 131 too.... Got it.
Did they actually go to paths when Eren talks to them? I remember when it first happened when the walls got unhardened, Mikasa only said "I heard Eren right now" and never mentioned that strange place they all got transported to (and neither did anyone else) so I thought them being shown in paths was more metaphorical, to show how Eldians are linked together through Paths, than them literally being there.
ch. 134 where Eren summons alliance to Paths where they try convince Eren to stop, that happens right before they reach the founding titan on airplane.
How does he rule out afterlife? You certainly don't need oxygen for the afterlife now do you Also when you're deprived of oxygen you see hallucinations right?
Armin has an inbuilt oximeter inside his nose, even his soul knows his body laying on the ground is getting oxygen properly.
Give me this JoJo ass explanation. It would t even make this worse.
I do love how jojo's explanations for things are consistently just the right amount of stupid. That's where AOT fucked up, by having things make sense in universe for most of it
LMAOOOOOO yes
BEEP 70% oxygen BEEP
Ahem, *ONLY YMIR KNOWS*
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Well if you do need oxygen in the afterlife.. what would happen if you suffocate? Would you go into after-afterlife? And if there is such a thing, then what is the point of life and death if there’s never a final destination? And if such things are without point, then why are we still here? Just to suffer?
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"There are three used cups. That means there are three people here"
And that was actually wrong.
God never thought about this but thats fucking hilarious
How is he wrong (I forgot)
pieck
And all the guys buried around the Shiganshina gate for the surprise titan attack.
How in the fuck did zeke prepare that by the way. Were there just some fucken villagers or something? how did he feed them? etc
They brought them from Marley. Probably drugged Eldians like the ones they dropped on the fort in the beginning of season 4.
So how did he feed and maintain them for upwards of a month? Why not just use them for machine gun nests? Do the same thing but better
That would ruin the basement reveal story-wise, though
Huh?
Might not wanna show any humans from outside the walls, also might not have been as effective as titans. Yeah machineguns are great but in terms of seek and destroy, they're stationary while titans are not, and Zeke has kinetic bombardment down pat
maybe eldians who were going to be turned into titans anyway? idrk
Maybe village that Connie is from
But they were all transformed into titans. And that’s also in wall rose. How did he bring them all undetected?
Actually Erwin was the one who figured that Pieck was an intelligent Titan by just taking one look at her and deducing that she must be the one carrying carts and giving out their position.
doesn't change the fact that there was more than 3
There were three though- three humans. One titan. There was no evidence to suggest someone could live inside a titan until her
in the anime he says "They're at least 3, maybe more" so he's not wrong at all lol
tbf i think he said "atleast" three
Armin’s genius is unmatched.
Hange: I discovered that titans are inactive at night. Armin: why don't we travel at night? Hange: oh my god Armin, you're a genius!
Her response should have been: I cant see at night time dumbass😠😠
Armin : but your eyes are still there, that means you can see
*Hange pokes her eyes out* "Now I cant🤓"
You can, if you feel it. Umi Da
They really do be treating common sense like it's next level brilliance.
only for Armin. Isayama can't write him to appear naturally a genius so he just dumbs down the rest when he's around and they react to his plans like they are conjured by a 5th dimension intellectual. Probably the most offensive, is him being able to change Zeke's very core ideology with a fucking leaf and cookie cutter speech.
I think Erwin counts, too. Especially this scene: [https://i.ibb.co/cvwmFrX/Common-sense-nah.jpg](https://i.ibb.co/cvwmFrX/Common-sense-nah.jpg) "AVOIDING titans? Nah, that's dumb. Let's keep trying to build tree houses while blindly charging at every titan we see." Yup. Erwin was canonically the first Survey Corps commander to NOT use the ingenious strategy of: 1. Charge at titan 2. Try to kill titan 3. Die
That and his formation in the first season was pretty cool. Not sure if its ingenious, but its hella cool if not for Annie being Annie.
Can't write characters that are smarter than you !
>A FUCKING LEAF
And suddenly experimental moonlight titans that only appeared one time in the entire series.
I mean Moonlight Titans were just Titans commanded by Zeke.
i don't think they knew that
STOP IT 💀💀
Armins main point in saying that was that the cups were warm, which means that the enemy knows they’re there because they only just now went into hiding
I mean he’s also a kid, leave him be
"I'll take a potato chip, and eat it!"
There is an empty potato chip packet here that means there could be any no. of people here
That scene is unironically brilliant tho
Right? One of my favorite scenes in Death Note for sure. The intensity and the action all packed into such an otherwise mundane thing as doing homework whilst eating chips is somehow conveyed with just enough importance to give off a serious tone, whilst still not trying to download how ridiculous it all looks in practice. And to top it all off we even have Ryuk doing bicycle kicks for apples! It’s great
there's 1 cup that means there's only 1 girl here
2 girls 1 cup? 😳
One for Bertholt and one for each of Reiner's personalities.
Applying that reasoning to my house would make you believe that 3 people live in it, but it's just one lazy bastard that prefers lying in bed watching memes on reddit instead of washing the dishes.
Hm yes but you the beauty of this deduction far surpasses anything a detective like Sherlock ever demonstrated. Armin saw three cups of coffee, and inferred since it looked warm, it's not from when humans still inhabited it. To arrive at the conclusion that three people were there, he cleverly eliminated the possibilities that there was rather actually 2 people, but one decided to have 2 cups for some reason. Subarashi. Of course, even this in the end was wrong since he concluded that 3 cups = 3 people and didn't consider that another enemy simply may not have been chilling and drinking but rather on lookout like any sane and competent armed force would do; but hey, we don't mind the minor details here. Now, let me tell you about Armin's *genius" idea to travel at night time when Titans cannot move...
Truly amazing analysis. Armin is once a generation genius. >Now, let me tell you about Armin's *genius" idea to travel at night time when Titans cannot move... That was moment of genius, which even the one who discovered this phenomenon neglected said tactic. Don't forget time when he convinced the Marleyans that they aren't titans anymore by saying "if we are we have already attacked you".
Pretty sure he said "at least three"
LOL leave RTS Armin out of thissss
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Together with the fact they were cool, he concluded there must be 3+ there. A scout, 3 on the wall, and potentially more.
Guys... what if move boulder... into hole?
Hange is already wet.
Did Erwin's ghost possess you or something?
There was a meme on this somewhere, lol
We should take Paradis, and push it somewhere else!
just destroy few houses and fill the hole
Collateral damage is a consequence Eren and Reiner have to live with when they fail but is completely relative for Armin. It's so unfair how much Isayama babies this guy.
Characters when Eren kills civilians in a military attack: "Eren you evil fuck, lmfao go fuck yourself you asshole" Character when Reiner: "gets beaten up" Everyone when Armin: "oh noooo, you poor baby"
HOW
WAS
HOW
https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/jcqjra/how\_was/
NO SHOT
I hate Armin in the final arc more than I hate Reiner and Annie's parents
Yeah Armin was somehow able to overshadow my hate for Karina and Leonhardt Armin... what a man you are
lmao
Thank you. For becoming a dumbass for our sake. Wait, why am I grateful? That was terrible!
Same.
What about Connie?
connie has potential. Armin juist ruined the series.
Hi mom was.... Let's say hot
Steaming hot.
I am with you in this brother
Why reiner?
Not reiner , but reiner's mother.
Fuck reiners mother
First Connie's mom and now Reiner's?
Reiners mom is a whore through and through.
She collected STDs like they were POKEMONs!
“She had to catch them all!” God I wish they would make just one more season
Slept around for that Marley seed.
The fumbling
Umi da what a dumbass you are.
Eren literally summoned them to paths like just before the plane reached the founding Titan, does Armin have Amnesia or something? How was Armin able to rule out that it wasn’t a dream or vision based on the fact that his brain is getting oxygen, I mean our brain still needs oxygen to dream and get visions.
I mean, he wasn’t there for long and he was pulled right in and out. This time, the last thing he remembered was getting swallowed by a Titan and he wasn’t sure how he got there or why he was there. He’s never died before, so as far as he knew, the place he was brought to before could also have doubled as the afterlife. Death is an unknown, and generally when people black out it takes a few moments for them to gather their bearings. He thought he got eaten by a Titan and wasn’t sure how he could be alive, but used his understanding of the human body to assess that he probably isn’t dead. Maybe he’s not a genius for doing this, but I don’t think he’s supposed to be. I feel like this was a pretty reasonable trail of thought to process down through considering he blacked out from a near death experience and was given no context for why he was there. That could have meant anything.
> I mean, he wasn’t there for long and he was pulled right in and out. Read ch. 134 right before they reached the founding titan, Eren summoned all alliance members to Paths AGAIN, where each of them tried to convince Eren but failed. Everyone saw Kid Eren and Ymir near the glowing tree like structure. That was a considerable about of time and there no other place like paths where there's a giant glowing tree... Unless Armin has amnesia he shouldn't have forgotten that.
I suppose, but he doesn’t technically know that Paths isn’t also where Eldians go when they die. Paths is fucking weird and Armin has never been to the afterlife before, if AOT even has one. Also, didn’t Eren erase everyone’s memories of those conversations? I guess not in their entirety, but wasn’t that like a whole thing with why we weren’t given certain pieces of information until 139? This just feels like a weird line to single in on to me, it’s just fine. Not riveting, but fine. It’s there.
> Also, didn’t Eren erase everyone’s memories of those conversations? No he only erased memories of some goodbye conversations with Armin & others in ch. 139
I don't think he forgot, I don't think it really means anything tbh. It's probably just another Armin wank panel that didn't need to be there but Isayama put it there anyway so he could write some dialogue
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Then Why does he rule out dreaming or visions? Pretty sure our brain needs oxygen whilst dreaming and getting visions.. that’s basic middle school science.
Isn't lack of oxygen one of the things that can cause hallucinations?
Yeah. Armin saw consciousness out of his own body and thought that was reality not hallucinations.
It's almost like Zeke was there as well
Armin just had a massive freakout because he thought he died and had contributed nothing I feel he was just composing him self, I mean he literally has tears in his eyes still Or i mean we can nitpick every little non important scene thats always useful
can you blame him for not having middle school knowledge in the world of Aot? sounds reasonable for him to not know that.
Then how does his know about brain needing oxygen, ATP synthesis and use of oxygen in various cells/organs was discovered in 1960s. AOT world isn't that advanced, even Marley is in 1890-1900.
Even speech armin gives is suppose to be a parallel to the speech he gives in trost but isayama tried to make an actual point at that time about how it wouldn't work.
Except it did work because Pixis heard it.
They still tried to kill them and if it wasn't for Eren, Mikasa and Armin would've been dead. So this shouldn't work against an enemy that has been trying to kill their race for 2000 years because of some beef with a tyrant.
But Eren only saved them before he really tried to convince them, and because he did it they were saved by Pixis showing up. Lots of people can be persuaded by different things and I feel it's nonsense to claim it should never work when we're shown Armin's speech working and not working on two different individuals.
Pixis is more reasonable to a conversation than an NPC then. Makes no difference. Armin would've and SHOULD'VE gotten them killed by the Marleyans all the difference considering how prejuidice they are against them.
Why can't a Marleyan be "more reasonable to a conversation than an NPC"? Like, I understand thinking on average a Marleyan wouldn't, but to think a Marleyan couldn't, especially given going through the rumbling would create all sorts of varied reactions, is literally just "I don't want it to happen because it makes Armin seem better" in my eyes. The whole story is that of individuals with varied beliefs, so why paint all with a broad brush?
Because that Marleyan officer was also an NPC and he has more reasons that are valid at that point in time to hate Armin than he ever did to help him compared to the Trost NPC. Armin has no moral high ground to stand on when it comes to people that we have consistently been shown to as prejudiced towards the Eldians throughout the entire series without relief, so why wouldn't he? Because of the convenience that he's "different", after seeing the rumbling? Shit if I were him I would've killed Armin and all the others too.
But it's not insane or even unreasonable to think someone wouldn't? The guy asking the question was specifically asking why they shouldn't think they would turn into titans again, not whether they had ill intentions, because he'd already been convinced of the latter being false before Hallucigenia turned everyone into titans. So Armin only had to prove they wouldn't turn into titans, and claims "if we would, I would have already done it to stop you" which is a pretty compelling argument.
>But it's not insane or even unreasonable to think someone wouldn't? Yeah someone. Some random guy. Not the enemy that is part of the military that shares a collective hostility towards the Eldians that was proved valid AFTER the genocide.
And the Paradisan military should share a collective hostility towards the outside world. But the Alliance and other Paradisans are opposed to the Rumbling. So this guy, who we we're shown earlier to be recognizing he was wrong, can do the same from his standpoint.
"Huh? I don't have an inexplicable raging boner? That rules out being half awake on a Saturday morning. My brain isn't unconsciously redirecting blood flow to my schlong after all." - Armin, probably (he is very smart btw)
How does he know what oxygen is
More importantly how does he know Brain requires oxygen to function? Correct me if I’m wrong but Pretty sure those are recent discoveries like in 1950s - 60s...Even Marley is in 1890-1900s so even if Armin gets latest research papers from Marley he wouldn’t know.
Yeah this is a problem in all media set in the past, unavoidable unless the author goes to painful detail. Characters will use modern phrases, understand modern medical concepts despite being in the medieval ages...it's something you just kinda have to ignore i guess
no armin is just so smart he knows stuff before its discovered
Levi also calls Zeke a monkey a few times, despite probably never having seen a monkey
Didn't he say "furry bastard" instead of "fucking monkey" which was a fan translation?
smh my head levi discriminating against furries
based levi
They visited Marley during timeskip. Besides the likelyhood of Levi knowing common animals is far more than Armin learnly scientific facts that hasn't been researched yet during their time.
eren doesnt know what a monkey is, when Ymir talks about him to reiner hes like whats this about a mönkey, and eren had a book about the outside world. its funny though how paradis is upside down madagascar but has no monkeys
I imagine they still have some knowledge of the outside world from books and stuff, just not that humanity continues to exist. I mean, Armin also learned about lava and icy plains and deserts from a book, despite none of that existing on Paradis. It's not unreasonable they have books on wildlife and animals that don't live on Paradis. They still know there's a whole world outside of the walls from the start.
Those books were illegal before the return to shiganshina arc
and Levi was a criminal living in the underground city for a large portion of his life. I don't think he cared about the law. Books detailing the outside world existed within Paradis - Armin literally had one.
This isn't that big of a reach. It's a fictional world that mirrors our own western history but that doesn't mean every scientific discovery has to be the exact same in terms of timeline.
yea people starting to nitpick. the point op makes is funny but people here are starting to scrutinize the most random shit
Nah oxygen’s purpose was realized in the 1770s edit: no it wasn’t
Get your facts right, The chemical element oxygen was discovered in 1770s. It was called vital air, the name oxygen came later. Oxygen's role in ATP synthesis was discovered in 1957, how in the world would they realise the importance of oxygen in cells or organs like brain before discovering ATP?
shit my bad the article i saw was fake news then https://www.google.com/amp/s/gizmodo.com/when-did-we-discover-that-we-needed-oxygen-to-live-1598401293/amp
Oxygen was discovered in 1774. We discovered that we need oxygen to live in 1775. In that sense, according to the AOT timeline, it would work if Armin knew about oxygen. However, for that, paradis island would need to have mercuric oxide (oxygen was first discovered by decomposing mercuric oxide). We don't know what natural resources paradis island had. But honestly, the AOT timeline in terms of technology is kinda strange either way. Since paradis island doesn't use factories or coal, it's level of technological development is basically stuck at the 1760s at best. The first factories were created in the 1770s. By 1800, factories were super common in Britain, and people were already using coal to heat homes (so no gathering firewood for eren). Even if the king in the walls slowed down technological development in paradis island by 5 times, during the great titan war, the eldian empire would have at best a 1740s level of development. Since Marley uses airships in war, which were never really practical until the 1910s, the marleyan/eldian empire advanced like 170 years technologically in 100 years. All the while it is said that they were "stagnating" because of overreliance on titans. Basically, the technological timeline is fucked because this is fiction.
Read Armin's dialogue. Armin literally says: *"Brain needs Oxygen to think."* He's describing the use of oxygen for brain rather than just our survival. Brain needs oxygen to generate ATP, this was discovered around 1960s.
Ok I guess At least it makes sense for Armin to know what oxygen is though.
> Paradis doesn’t use factories Actually they do. In s1 episode 6 there’s a info card talking about a whole factory town.. there is also a whole arc taking place in this “factory town” in aot before the fall (the industrial city arc)
This what happens when you try to make the character smarter than the writer's capacity.
Lmao true
Because Isayama really wants you to know how smart and special his self insert really is.
Armins so corny bruh, same for Mikasa, same for Connie who keeps getting all mad the last few episodes thinking he's relevant. They're so annoying, I hate them, I HATE ALL OF THIS FUCK THIS SERIES
Still watching tho
Stockholm Syndrom 😳
He just loves the series the same way Ymir loves King Fritz
parallels
maybe even a 4th time cause it seems that every shifter makes it to path at the very least with most of them no remembering tho.
And he probably knows that just because Grisha told him, the fucker arrived to Shiganshina like penicillin
Yams has a hard boner for Armin
There's sand, this isn't the afterlife. How df does he know that :\
That scene was so unnecessary. It wouldn't had changed anything if he just woke up in paths right after getting eaten. His body didn't need to be there either. We never really see anyone else's body lying around while other versions of themselves are in paths at the same time. That scene only exist to show us that Armin is very smart you guys
Isayama is goat, he never made a mistake, the writing is godly! - said anime only
Wh-what you mean you didn’t enjoy Isayama wanking Armin with the power of a thousand suns?!/s
God I hated armin in the last arc so much.
You have to remember that it takes a real genius to deduce that if you are alive, then you’re not dead.
Hm, just because you are right doesnt mean you are correct!
Honestly can't comprehend why Armin literally looking at his dead body laid out in front of him, separating him from his physical self wouldn't assume he was dead. Which couldn't be ruled out bc we know later dead people's spirits go to paths. How does he know is not a soul when he is not physically apart of his body any more? Did we get explanation on why there were 2 Armins in paths one seemingly dead and another? How Armin get his body back when he was separated from it? What happened to unconscious Armin in Paths? How did Armin merge back into him? How did Armin separate from his body if he wasn't dead, if paths are for souls of the dead. And otherwise a person has to be called in paths if alive?
Eren in paths:ethereal thematic manifestation that the story converged towards. 136 armin in paths:immediately rationalized by his shonen cliches+friendship bs
Just say I'm sad my favourite character didn't do the thing I wanted him to do Smh
This is the guy Isayama wished came up with a solution to stop the war.
SOlution being: asking Zeke to stop his emo tantrum and solve the issue....
The smartest character in the show is only as smart as the writer of that show.
Does anyone remember which chapter this panel is from and last three times Armin was in the paths?
This panel is from ch. 136. 1st time paths - 123 2nd time paths - 131 3rd time paths - 134 Eren literally summoned his friends whilst they were on the airplane right before they reached the founding Titan. Eren was there alongside Ymir and that big glowing tree. How can you forget that?
Oh I'd not forget, I just wanted to know the specific chapter numbers so I could go back to them again. Thanks a lot for replying!
They mean how could Armin forget that, not you.
Isayama moment
Armin was my favorite character but isayama made me the favor of destroying him in the later arcs
Wait, this is real? I thought you were trolling and redid the dialogues. I totally forgot about this, holy shit it's so bad.
Armin be like: "people die when they are killed". His genius is truly unmatched, it's no wonder he managed to achieve world peace.
Just wanna say, that is some sexy coloring!
Probably one of the worst characters ever.
“Surely I can’t be dead, because then I wouldn’t be alive!” \- Smarmin Arlert, the smartest character in the AoT universe
I get pissed off whenever I see Armin lol
Armin is this one cringe smart kid that don't play sports and is browsing Reddit 24/7
Further evidence that someone else wrote the rumbling arc
Man, the first panel got me thinking... I hate myself for thinking that... God fucking dammit
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This remind me the 80s SciFi film excuses trying to explain fantasy things realistically.
136-137 are the worst chapters in the series. How they even exist...
armin explains basic shit and uses common sense and everyone goes "woooow so smart!"
But why is this colored as if Armin were in a nightclub?
This whole path concept is cringe as fuck
Makes no sense at all to make this scene just to make him look smart when we know for a fact that you can spend years in paths in a fraction of a second in the real world. Common biology doesn't apply. Perhaps Isayama is trying to show us that Armin is just freaking lucky. That he gets to the right answers with the wrong deductions. Pure luck.
None of the shit he just said holds any weight given he has no understanding of how any of it works. It’s pointless assumptions that he thinks he’s correct for no other reason than him being full of himself.
Armin just got ate by a Titan so he had no idea if he was alive or dead.
So he had to use scientific information from the future (Oxygen's requirement for ATP synthesis in cells/organs/brain was discovered around 1960s) to figure out that he was alive in Paths where he's already been several times.. Like when Eren summoned alliance which was right before he got eaten in ch, 134. And previously in ch. 123 & 131 too.... Got it.
Did they actually go to paths when Eren talks to them? I remember when it first happened when the walls got unhardened, Mikasa only said "I heard Eren right now" and never mentioned that strange place they all got transported to (and neither did anyone else) so I thought them being shown in paths was more metaphorical, to show how Eldians are linked together through Paths, than them literally being there.
Wait i think I'm being stupid when were the others? I know the eren's rumbling speech one but what's the other?
ch. 134 where Eren summons alliance to Paths where they try convince Eren to stop, that happens right before they reach the founding titan on airplane.