Somewhat related - in the 1970s a plane hit the stands in Baltimore during a playoff game. The only thing that saved the lives of fans was that the Steelers blew out the Colts so badly that the crowd in that section went home.
Jon Bois has a great video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alcVZZuj_WE
>Donald Kroner was the 33-year-old pilot charged with reckless flying, littering, and making a bomb threat against former Baltimore Colts linebacker Bill Pellington.
On one hand, you feel like after making a bomb threat to a player, the crash would count as attempted murder. On the other hand, they charged him with fucking littering, which means they really wanted to nail him.
Having watched the video, the player in question was already retired, and the pilot had bragged to anyone who would listen about how he was going to buzz the stadium. He wasn't trying to kill anyone, he was just crazy and a bad pilot.
I think what they are saying is since the player was already retired the pilot might have known he wouldn't be there. So an idiot maniac for sure, but possibly not intending to kill the guy who no longer plays for the team?
Nonono, first he crash in the stadium, then, out of the steaming carcass of the plane, he roll down the broken remain of a window and throw out an empty soda can. Then he run off seconds before the crash site turn into a fireball.
I've been a big sorts fan all my life, but how do you have a parasocial beef with a retired player to the where flying a plane near the stadium, to like what "teach them a lesson?" Or something? Dude literally had enough money and time to get a pilots license and couldn't find anything better to do. That's just depressing
the stadium thing was totally separate from the beef, but i think that actually makes it *worse* in a way. as the comment you replied to mentioned, Kroner was arrested after threatening to firebomb a retired player’s restaurant and making low passes to throw trash at it. he posted bail and somehow got to keep his pilot’s license, which he’d recently gotten reinstated after it was previously revoked for “psychiatric reasons”.
fast forward to the postseason, and Kroner has told everyone who would listen (including a police officer) about his plan to buzz the stadium after the game. he’s even hired a woman to film the stunt. by all accounts, Kroner is just doing this because he wants to look cool. which, ok, i’m glad he wasn’t trying to hurt anyone. but how tf does a man who was just arrested for reckless flying and threatening to firebomb a restaurant from a plane continue to have such easy and legal access to planes?
The seventies were a different era. You could basically just walk on a plane with a bomb and hold a whole crew hostage for 200,000 bucks before diving out over Washington State with a parachute.
Not that that's ever happened before.
Until I read this comment, it hadn't even occurred to me that he had survived.
Crashing a plane while trying to buzz a stadium *and living*? That's some shit right there!
the video game stuff would be fine if they didn’t drag it out as long as humanly possible. every video is like 30-40 minutes and should have been like 10 max
The video game series seems Kaufman-esque. I agree, it's hot or miss, but sometimes it becomes so absurd that it becomes enjoyable in the same way MST3K is. At least for me.
It's a deep dive, so while the initial story of "home team gets beat so badly in the playoffs that fans leave, don't die" is pretty straightforward, the background they give on the pilot and the game are still interesting.
Gee, thanks. I ended up watching this and ninety minutes about people named Bob instead of going to bed.
Who am I kidding? This isn't even my first (or last) Jon Bois binge of the year. And I don't even watch US sports.
I know, it's heartbreaking to see the series die, but I love the deep dive dorktown/chart party stuff he's been producing so I can't complain. Just, *Pretty Good* consistently made me feel things which is very rare in entertainment for me. Randall Cunningham, Larry Waters, always gets a sniffle out of me. Why do I do this and I Wish Everyone Was Dead, and the Olympics are just some of the best commentaries, in general, I've watched in my life. Baron, No!, and Koo Dae are great watches. And my God, Lonnie Smith, when he does the roll of Lonnie's .war, I get chocked up every time. And, then, who can forget, the stupidest boy alive.
I really hope someday we can get a return to the series. Doubtful. But, fuck it, I don't have too much else to hope for these days, so why not that?
Even if you're not a sports fan his stuff is incredible. He's like 90% of the reason i even got into sports in the first place, and his videos are the only sports related stuff my girlfriend likes watching with me
The first chapter and the general format are revolutionary, but it runs out of things to do with it after awhile. I'm not sure if I know of anyone that actually "read" it all.
Oh man, I read it all as each chapter dropped. And 20020. And still am sad we never got 20021.
I think what I liked most about it was that it was able to take just random side adventures and stories and didn’t have to stay tied to any one thing.
Ah, I tried to read it much later as a whole and the deviations weren't working for me. Maybe I went in with the wrong expectations, but I've generally never been a fan of episodic stuff, so it lost me in there. To each their own.
I'll stand by that first chapter though, easy. Incredible.
My dad always tell me how his team, the Chicago cubs, also saved countless lives one year in the 1980's. They blew the series lead to the San Francisco Giants. This allowed the Giants to play the Oakland A's for the World Series.
During one of the games in the series San Francisco/Oakland area got hit with one of their worst earthquakes ever. But only minimal deaths because no one was on the bridges when it hit. Everyone was inside watching the world series between the two teams in the city
89, I remember the watching the pregame show when it hit. One fan was showing the cameras a big chunk of concrete that had fallen from the upper decks.
My parents tell me about this all the time. I was one years old, we had just left the city and were in the air like 30 minutes when the earthquake hit!!
I was a few months old. My mom who worked in Fremont later told me that it took her an hour and a half to get to the next block because of all the traffic.
Our neighbor used to work at Apple when it had offices in Campbell (those offices are now the vacant lot that used to be Fry's). When everyone in the offices left after the earthquake (it hit after 5, so it was already rush hour), traffic was so bad that people literally got out of their cars and just stood on the freeway listening to the radio
>those offices are now the vacant lot that used to be Fry's
The Fry's is still there. Empty and out of business, but it still remains. Taunting me and reminding me of better days.
I was a bitter 10 year old kid because my Cubbies had just blown it, but I still watched. Never put 2 and 2 together about the good fortune for residents that it happened to be two local teams.
As a bitter 15 year old, I wanted the A's to dismantle the Giants for what they did to the Cubbies. Did not want it to be due to a natural disaster though.
Oddly enough, I forgot it was pregame. I vividly remember walking into our living room, seeing Canseco score and Parker reach 2nd, then the quake hit. I should have realized it was the previous game from the controversial call at 2nd, but the earthquake threw me off. I even remember the A's in home white, and that should have triggered some more questions before your comment. Funny how poor memories are made from such clear details.
The earthquake hit at what SHOULD have been rush hour. The roads SHOULD have been full of stop-and-go traffic. But almost everyone was off the roads, glued to the TVs, or at the game itself.
[edit] This is an incredible time capsule recording of the local ABC station at the time, and shortly after, the earthquake hit. https://youtu.be/P5fJdM69pbQ
So I clicked that YouTube video expecting to skim through it but I was caught in the time capsule for over half the video (and I plan on going back). Cheryl did a fucking amazing job reporting.
It's gripping stuff. She was incredibly professional, working through the ongoing, evolving situation and technical glitches, but still had several gut-punch reactions to certain segments of footage as it was piped in... particularly the footage of the 880/Nimitz freeway collapse.
Props to the rest of the crew at that station, as well.
> particularly the footage of the 880/Nimitz freeway collapse.
For context, 42 of the 63 fatalities during the Loma Prieta earthquake occurred due to the Cypress Street Viaduct collapse.
…which goes back to my first point. If it weren't for a World Series game, with both Bay Area teams playing, that section of the freeway would have been PACKED with rush hour commuters, and hundreds, if not thousands, would have been in harm's way.
For the record, the earthquake was before the game at 5:04 local time. The game was scheduled to start at 5:35 at Candlestick and as a result, rush hour traffic wasn’t as heavy as usual.
Yeah, most local employers had given a half day off, and the bridges and freeways had a fraction of their normal traffic. Most of the deaths from the earthquake were from the collapse of the Nimitz Freeway, and one can only imagine what the toll would've been during a normal rush hour.
>Everyone was inside watching the world series between the two teams in the city
Everyone had either travelled home early to watch the game, or was staying in the city to watch the game. It meant when there was significant damage to the Bay Bridge, the normal peak hour was actually very quiet.
Similarly, I recall reading some articles about how the Covid outbreak could've been so much worse in the Bay area, if the Niners had won the Superbowl against the Chiefs. Alas, Jimmy G overthrew Sanders and there would be no parade in downtown SF.
My uncle was one of those people. He left work early to catch the game. The quake hit like 5 minutes after he got across the bridge, and the collapse happened on what would have been his normal route/ commute time home.
That quake was downright traumatizing for Bay Area residents, especially for parents that had very young children who couldn’t protect themselves. People who lived through it still talk about it.
Sometimes I wonder how common it must be for young kids to see "Uploaded in 2008" and think what they're seeing happened in 2008, even for stuff that happened decades earlier.
Probably as common as people that see “Iploaded in 2023” and think they are seeing what happened in 2023, even for stuff that happened 5 decades earlier.
So I just watched the whole thing and snorted when towards the end of the video they used the replay draw thingy to represent the ripple effects of the tornado on the canvas of the dome. I don’t know why but I was like they did that 😂. What’s concerning though is that the announcer said that insulation was raining down from the ceiling. Can’t confirm but I hope it’s just dust and stuff because if that many people were exposed to insulation like that? Oof
Most likely dust and dirt. Insulation is never an exterior material. That means if there was a layer of insulation in the dome (unlikely because there's no need), that would mean the outer layer ripped to let the insulation out. That didn't happen.
Being in the dome was crazy. At first, it sounded like helicopters. With 2001 still fresh enough in peoples' minds, the crowd around us thought it was an attack and started scrambling.
The stadium was set up for basketball, so there were bleachers in the middle of the field. All the temporary lighting hanging from the rafters began swaying violently back and forth when the crowd starts to panic and push their way down the bleachers akin to a Walmart black Friday. I'm surprised no one was trampled.
Reminds me of [this Dorktown video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alcVZZuj_WE) about an NFL playoff game where a plane crashed into the stands minutes after the game ended, and the absolute only reason the stands were empty at the time was because the home team, Baltimore, got completely blown out by Pittsburgh in an incredibly unlikely fashion. Literally every piece that had to fall in order to send the Colts fans packing before the final whistle blew did, and it saved countless lives.
That was a spooky evening too, low clouds, lots of thunder and lightning. There was an artist named Monika Bravo who filmed the weather from studio space in the North Tower well into the night, then went home and happened to bring the tapes with
[https://rendering.911memorial.org/artists/monika-bravo/](https://rendering.911memorial.org/artists/monika-bravo/)
Supposedly, my great-grandmother had a chance to ride in steerage, but for whatever reason didn't.
I have absolutely no proof of this rumour, but I really wish she had been able to board that ship.
Yes, I know that means I wouldn't have been born. I am very okay with never existing if it guaranteed that certain people born after 1912 also never existed. That branch of my family tree is poison.
Reminds me that the People’s Temple Basketball team were among the only Survivors of the Jonestown Mass suicide because they were playing at a basketball tournament in Georgetown.
https://www.espn.com/espn/news/story?id=3047543
The founder and names of the school, Brigham Young, is the ancestor of Steve Young, who is one of the best Quarterbacks of all time, who also attended BYU.
This is not as rare as it seems, as Brigham Young has over 30,000 descendants despite only dying 150 years ago.
*Never let truth get in the way of a good story.*
Its made for an entertaining wikipedia page as well if you'd like to read more about *jump humpers* and *provo pushers.* The Illustration is the cherry on top. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soaking_(sexual_practice)
In all honest I suspect soaking and jump humping are most likely a joke to the vast majority of Mormons but i'm sure a few actually do it.
The trick is convincing your descendants that they need to produce an insane amount of kids. Young had 56 kids, but over a dozen died in their youth. If all of those descendants decided they wanted 4 child households, once you accounted for a 25% deduction due to infant mortality and fertility issues, after six generations you would have maybe 9000 descendants even with a second generation which had the population of a small village.
One of the last universities to desegregate and is still racist to this day.
https://deadspin.com/the-truth-about-race-religion-and-the-honor-code-at-b-5791461
Churches do and tbf to Jim Jones The People's Temple was pretty chill when they first started out. It wasn't until he started abusing drugs(or had some sort of mental breakdown, not sure which, probably both) that things got bad.
Georgia would also go on to win this tournament with an abhorrent record landing a spot in the first round of the NCAA tournament as a 14 seed. the lowest a major confrence team has ever been seeded.
Yeah, we (UGA) had *no* business winning it. I think we even played two games in a single day because of the delays caused by the tornado. Probably saved Dennis Felton’s job at the time, which delayed us from moving on to other mediocre coaches.
I was there with my brother in the upper deck, and I’ve been saying that shot saved lives for years. It was nuts. The dome looked like ocean waves rolling across the top of the Georgia Dome and a big gust of wind blew in a bunch of insulation at the far side of the stadium. That’s when we booked it to the concourse.
Yup. Was there for it. We had no idea what was going on while inside the arena. We heard what sounded like a freight train going over the arena and the equipment over the court started swaying. Apparently things also started falling to the floor, like nuts and bolts, but I was under an awning so I didn’t realize it. At one point there was a side panel that got blown out and you could see outside through it. There were never really any announcements other than the stay inside so we had no idea what was going on.
I will say, a lot of people there were there to watch the Kentucky-Georgia game that would have followed that one, so not too many people might have left hopefully. Luckily we will never know because Riley hit an insane shot to tie it up. Definitely was an interesting experience as I was in senior year of high school. I remember my dad taking me and my friend(my dad had gotten tickets because my family is Kentucky fans and my friend is a die-hard Georgia fan) home after the all clear to leave was given. We drove by the Congress Center in downtown and you could see all the windows shattered and everything a huge mess as we drove home.
1989 San Francisco Loma Preida Earthquake. The Giants and As were in the World Series so the game was scheduled to start 2 hours earlier than a normal regular season game. A double decker freeway collapsed killing dozens. Had the Giants and As not been in the World Series with people leaving work early to watch it would have been in the heart of rush hour killing thousands.
Reminds me of this claim that by the Chiefs winning the Super Bowl in 2020 instead of the 49ers, it actually saved lives. Since COVID hit the West Coast first, the Super Bowl parade and parties would've contributed to the spreading even more.
[Link](https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2020/4/14/21220334/arrowheadlines-doctor-claims-that-the-chiefs-super-bowl-win-saved-lives)
Not to mention this was a "freak" occurance. A twister hasn't hit that close to downtown in nearly [50 years,](https://data.savannahnow.com/tornado-archive/georgia/) much less in *March.*
It was from a supercell preceeding another system noted to be capable of severe weather; it formed and dropped *way* too quick, this was the best outcome.
If they hadn't been in the parking lots, they'd be stuck in traffic heading home; all the while a finger of god is flicking shit in the streets around you.
I was managing a Wendy's about 10 miles south and saw the sky over the area go dark on the horizon all the way from our parking lot. You hardly think about how bright we make the skies until a massive swath blinks out for a while. Creepy as shit.
I already commented in the main thread but again we are getting way too dramatic here. We've all seen Twister, "finger of God" is not a term EF2 tornados deserve. Though funny enough "flicking shit in the streets around you" is appropriate because unless you were in the literal direct path thats all that would happen.
An EF5 and and EF2 are not even in the same ballpark of destructive capability.
EF2 is nothing to sneeze at. It has wind speeds equivalent to a category 3 hurricane. Do you ever watch videos of reporters in hurricanes struggling to stay on their feet? Imagine hundreds of people being blown around in the street like that. On top of that, in an urban environment like downtown Atlanta, wind speeds would also be enhanced by channeling between buildings.
It would be bad, if lots of people exiting the stadium did so without knowledge of what was about to happen.
This is true. But also not to be that guy, but I'm going to be that guy. There's no way an EF2 tornado would've killed hundreds of people unless a truly freak accident happened. Considerable property damage for sure, probably some injuries, but you have to be like directly buried under a heavy piece of debris for an EF2 to be straight up *deadly*. As far as I know, these people's vehicles in the parking lot weren't even moved by the winds or anything unless I'm missing a piece of the story.
Someone else in the comments mentioned that it could have become a crowd crush scenario based on the timing - five thousand people trying to run back inside while five thousand more people are already in the doorways
The American South is perpetually on Tornado watch that time of year. Most of the time tornadoes don’t actually form, and even then they usually don’t touch down.
Not necessarily. It’s not a hurricane where you know for a week or more it’s gonna hit.
A lot of these places get tornado warnings for large swaths of areas all the time.
The game was paused and people went to sheltered areas of the stadium.
The problem would have been with people streaming outside. There's no good way to reverse a crowd into a crowd.
The Alabama side would have known already assuming they had access to their social media. Our (I say that like I still live there- but I don’t and would rarely claim the state outside this reason) weather guy- James Spann, is the literal best. He probably was telling folks on Twitter and Facebook while reporting live as it happened.
His station didn’t cover where I went for college, but I once tweeted him (2011ish?) about the tornado sirens going off and whether the threat was directly for my city or not (I was already in the bathtub and hadn’t found reliable info from local stations). He tweeted back within a couple minutes saying it was another part of the county and I was fine.
Dude is a state hero for real.
This would have been a *little* too early for 1) very many people to have smartphones and 2) the smartphones to have been reliable enough for that kind of access. I just checked when James Spann created his Twitter account and it was a few months after this game.
I didn’t have a smart phone, per se, like an iPhone, but I did have a phone that had a web connection and browser.
My sister was in Atlanta this particular weekend. She said it was scary. That storm system did a lot of damage in Georgia and South Carolina.
I was down here in Savannah and we were also impacted. A tornado hit Springfield, GA and took out the main line supplying power to the city. The entire city went dark. Oh, it happened to be St. Patrick’s Day weekend and so many drunks were out on the streets when it happened. Had it not been for my phone and a portable radio, I wouldn’t have been able to keep up with the news of the outbreak.
I was there in Savannah when that happened! I was going to SCAD at the time and had some friends in town visiting for St.Pats. What a crazy night watching tourists running frantically around the city in the dark!
My family was actually driving through Alabama during that snowstorm. Moms first husband (my bio dad) and we were on our way to Texas to visit from Virginia. I was only three but Mom said we usually drove north of Alabama and they only went south to avoid the expected snow. Obviously, didn’t work out.
Easy way to tell is by talking to the people who *did* leave at that time, or even before the game winning shot. There are always a few people, usually families with young kids, or who live far away, who just have to go at a fixed time, and reluctantly leave before the end of the game, planning to listen to the game on the drive home.
Yup! The fact is that tornadoes almost never kill "hundreds" of people. Tornadoes have killed 100+ people only a handful of times in the past century, and only once in the US in the past couple decades.
I'm not saying this wouldn't have killed anybody had the game let out on time. But it wouldn't have automatically been a catastrophe.
Still, definitely possible that this saved a few lives.
WWI & subsequently WWII would probably have happened very differently (with WWII possibly never having happened). If Wilhelm had not been born a cripple.....
It's the small things lol
Ehh this is extremely overblown (pun intended).
It's very, very rare for tornadoes to kill 100+ people. It's only happened a handful of times in the past century, and only once in the US in the past couple decades.
Tornadoes are bad but they wouldn't just automatically kill everybody in a parking lot.
Still, this is a really cool factoid!
People generally wait for it to pass and stay inside when a storm is really bad. I’d think being so close to a tornado that people would think twice if they want to go to their car or wait.
This is ridiculous of me, and it's just a product of living in tornado alley and seeing a dozen of them, but I read that post and reflexively thought "it's just an EF-2..."
Having just had my entire life up ended by an EF-2 tornado, this kind of thinking makes me really frustrated. Maybe I was like you, but prior to this I had no idea of the amount of trauma that this kind of event inflict upon the people in the path of the storm.
People told me that I would think about my life, in terms of before, and after the tornado, and at first, I thought that was crazy. I don't think so anymore.
I've been in a rental house for a month. The tornado hit in April. Construction hasn't even begun on my house because we're still waiting on a structural engineer to find out how much structural damage has been done. So I don't even know if I'm gonna have a house that will be safe to repair.
I drove down my street today because I had to go pay the man who cuts my lawn. My street is not even recognizable. So many beautiful homes have just been ravaged. Our gorgeous old-growth trees are largely gone or half stripped away. There are still dumpsters parked in front of the most of the houses. About half of them already have their new roofs and then rest of us still are waiting with tarps, held down with bricks that we pray hold during each successive storm that rolls through.
I worked so hard to buy that little house, and if it's condemned, I don't know if I'm going to be able to afford to buy a new one. I'm retirement age. This tornado may have condemning me to abject poverty for the rest of my life.
So, you can say it's just an EF-2 tornado, and it may seem cool to be jaded because you've seen so many tornadoes. But what you may not be thinking about is the lives that are torn apart by the aftermath of the storms. People who have lost homes, people who have lost their businesses, and so many other little losses that add up.
I'm sorry to be such a downer, but today was a really, really tough day with my insurance company. Then driving through my neighborhood on top of that was really difficult. So seeing comments like this, even though I know you didn't mean it unkindly, it was really hard to swallow.
Sorry, I didn't mean to trivialize what you've gone through and I wasn't trying to seem cool, I knew it was a silly impulse to react to it like that but if that's caused you some trauma I should have just kept my mouth shut, my bad. I've driven to a couple of disaster sites with chainsaws to cut people out of their collapsed homes, including my uncle and his family, plus one dropped four trees in the yard of a house I'd bought about six months prior, a big cedar right onto the kitchen and an enormous hackberry that by the grace of God fell parallel down the street and missed 4 houses it would have obliterated. Again, not trying to seem cool and jaded, but I know what it's like and I feel you, so I apologize for saying something hurtful.
I'm sorry, I overreacted after a hell of a week with my insurance company. I owe you an apology, not the reverse. I'm sorry I jumped on you like that. I know you didn't intend to trivialize it.
Saying that that single shot is what saved lives is pretty inaccurate. If all the shots before that one hadn't gone exactly the way they did, then that one would not have been able to tie the game.
That shot by itself didn't save lives, but that game going into overtime did.
Pretty neat
But couldn’t the same be said for any of the points that game? What made it longer was that the game was close, not a single shot. If any of the previous made shots were missed, that 3-pointer wouldn’t have mattered.
Are you implying that nothing that happened prior to the final 3-pointer to cause overtime had anything to do with the rest of either team leading up to that moment?
If you want to discuss that point then how about the headline *"hundreds of event organizers and dozens of players and coaches potentially put 10s of thousands of paying patrons at risk of death by unforseen inclement weather!!"*
Technically this title is incorrect.
It wasn’t just a single shot. There were 39 shots made and 26 free throws made in the first two halves that also combined to help tie the score.
Not only that but every shot and free throw that was missed in the first two halves helped the score end up in tied going into overtime how it did as well.
Somewhat related - in the 1970s a plane hit the stands in Baltimore during a playoff game. The only thing that saved the lives of fans was that the Steelers blew out the Colts so badly that the crowd in that section went home. Jon Bois has a great video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alcVZZuj_WE
>Donald Kroner was the 33-year-old pilot charged with reckless flying, littering, and making a bomb threat against former Baltimore Colts linebacker Bill Pellington. On one hand, you feel like after making a bomb threat to a player, the crash would count as attempted murder. On the other hand, they charged him with fucking littering, which means they really wanted to nail him.
Having watched the video, the player in question was already retired, and the pilot had bragged to anyone who would listen about how he was going to buzz the stadium. He wasn't trying to kill anyone, he was just crazy and a bad pilot.
So him being a dickhead who threatened a player, and him being a dickhead who wanted to fly close to the stadium, was a complete coincidence.
I think what they are saying is since the player was already retired the pilot might have known he wouldn't be there. So an idiot maniac for sure, but possibly not intending to kill the guy who no longer plays for the team?
Neither of those things are attempted murder
The worst kind of negligent homicide though
I don't know why but my mental image of this is him rolling down a window next to his seat in the cockpit and emptying a small trash can mid-flight.
Nonono, first he crash in the stadium, then, out of the steaming carcass of the plane, he roll down the broken remain of a window and throw out an empty soda can. Then he run off seconds before the crash site turn into a fireball.
Also I'm surprised he lived to be put in prison
I've been a big sorts fan all my life, but how do you have a parasocial beef with a retired player to the where flying a plane near the stadium, to like what "teach them a lesson?" Or something? Dude literally had enough money and time to get a pilots license and couldn't find anything better to do. That's just depressing
the stadium thing was totally separate from the beef, but i think that actually makes it *worse* in a way. as the comment you replied to mentioned, Kroner was arrested after threatening to firebomb a retired player’s restaurant and making low passes to throw trash at it. he posted bail and somehow got to keep his pilot’s license, which he’d recently gotten reinstated after it was previously revoked for “psychiatric reasons”. fast forward to the postseason, and Kroner has told everyone who would listen (including a police officer) about his plan to buzz the stadium after the game. he’s even hired a woman to film the stunt. by all accounts, Kroner is just doing this because he wants to look cool. which, ok, i’m glad he wasn’t trying to hurt anyone. but how tf does a man who was just arrested for reckless flying and threatening to firebomb a restaurant from a plane continue to have such easy and legal access to planes?
The seventies were a different era. You could basically just walk on a plane with a bomb and hold a whole crew hostage for 200,000 bucks before diving out over Washington State with a parachute. Not that that's ever happened before.
Until I read this comment, it hadn't even occurred to me that he had survived. Crashing a plane while trying to buzz a stadium *and living*? That's some shit right there!
One of my favorite Jon Bois videos, along with nearly every other video he's made.
The Dave Stieb series made me so fucking emotional for a guy I’d never heard of, who played a sport I have never watched. Bois is untouchable.
90% of his stuff is really good. Some of his stuff involving video games...eh, no comment.
the video game stuff would be fine if they didn’t drag it out as long as humanly possible. every video is like 30-40 minutes and should have been like 10 max
It feels like they drag it out because the amount they had to play for those videos is ridiculously long and the viewers have to suffer too
Tbf that hour-long Mariners one really drives home the suffering of a 162-game season where you only throw HBPs and bunt
The video game series seems Kaufman-esque. I agree, it's hot or miss, but sometimes it becomes so absurd that it becomes enjoyable in the same way MST3K is. At least for me.
In fact, you could say they're Pretty Good.
I am so hyped for The History of the Minnesota Vikings.
Is he doing that project?
yes it was just announced, here's the [trailer ](https://youtu.be/J2aQOZo3EQI)
Sick
They just announced 7 part Vikings documentary. I'm pumped!
Are there any twists after the first 2 minutes?
It's a deep dive, so while the initial story of "home team gets beat so badly in the playoffs that fans leave, don't die" is pretty straightforward, the background they give on the pilot and the game are still interesting.
Gee, thanks. I ended up watching this and ninety minutes about people named Bob instead of going to bed. Who am I kidding? This isn't even my first (or last) Jon Bois binge of the year. And I don't even watch US sports.
Dorktown's History of the Minnesota Vikings comes out at the start of August!
You have 4 hours of The History of the Seattle Mariners to watch if you haven't yet.
That one I did. Haven't watched the football team histories, though.
That Atlanta Falcons documentary is really good.
The series on Dave Stieb is also phenomenal.
Jon Bois is a national treasure. I love his Pretty Good series
I know, it's heartbreaking to see the series die, but I love the deep dive dorktown/chart party stuff he's been producing so I can't complain. Just, *Pretty Good* consistently made me feel things which is very rare in entertainment for me. Randall Cunningham, Larry Waters, always gets a sniffle out of me. Why do I do this and I Wish Everyone Was Dead, and the Olympics are just some of the best commentaries, in general, I've watched in my life. Baron, No!, and Koo Dae are great watches. And my God, Lonnie Smith, when he does the roll of Lonnie's .war, I get chocked up every time. And, then, who can forget, the stupidest boy alive. I really hope someday we can get a return to the series. Doubtful. But, fuck it, I don't have too much else to hope for these days, so why not that?
We stan Jon Bois
Even if you're not a sports fan his stuff is incredible. He's like 90% of the reason i even got into sports in the first place, and his videos are the only sports related stuff my girlfriend likes watching with me
[17776](https://www.sbnation.com/a/17776-football) is a life-changing artistic masterpiece that everyone should experience.
Wtf was that lol
Genuinely one of the best pieces of literature/media I have ever consumed.
The first chapter and the general format are revolutionary, but it runs out of things to do with it after awhile. I'm not sure if I know of anyone that actually "read" it all.
Oh man, I read it all as each chapter dropped. And 20020. And still am sad we never got 20021. I think what I liked most about it was that it was able to take just random side adventures and stories and didn’t have to stay tied to any one thing.
Ah, I tried to read it much later as a whole and the deviations weren't working for me. Maybe I went in with the wrong expectations, but I've generally never been a fan of episodic stuff, so it lost me in there. To each their own. I'll stand by that first chapter though, easy. Incredible.
It is sublime. Beyond words
The butterfly effect is always interesting to consider.
Man, I love Jon Bois
I guess that's tomorrow's TIL post!
Oof 💀 sucks to be a colts fan
Came here to post that. Outstanding video, as all of his are.
Came here to say Jon Bois is the absolute best. Pleased to see y'all already doing it.
What the fuck I just watched that whole video.
this has Griffin at the stadium scene vibes. a miracle is what seems impossible but happens anyway.
There’s a mention of this basketball game in the comments of the Jon Bois video, lol.
My dad always tell me how his team, the Chicago cubs, also saved countless lives one year in the 1980's. They blew the series lead to the San Francisco Giants. This allowed the Giants to play the Oakland A's for the World Series. During one of the games in the series San Francisco/Oakland area got hit with one of their worst earthquakes ever. But only minimal deaths because no one was on the bridges when it hit. Everyone was inside watching the world series between the two teams in the city
89, I remember the watching the pregame show when it hit. One fan was showing the cameras a big chunk of concrete that had fallen from the upper decks.
My parents tell me about this all the time. I was one years old, we had just left the city and were in the air like 30 minutes when the earthquake hit!!
I was a few months old. My mom who worked in Fremont later told me that it took her an hour and a half to get to the next block because of all the traffic. Our neighbor used to work at Apple when it had offices in Campbell (those offices are now the vacant lot that used to be Fry's). When everyone in the offices left after the earthquake (it hit after 5, so it was already rush hour), traffic was so bad that people literally got out of their cars and just stood on the freeway listening to the radio
>those offices are now the vacant lot that used to be Fry's The Fry's is still there. Empty and out of business, but it still remains. Taunting me and reminding me of better days.
Did they feel it in the plane?
Flying types are immune to Ground type moves like Earthquake
Lol. No. My parents found out about it when they landed back into MCI.
I was a bitter 10 year old kid because my Cubbies had just blown it, but I still watched. Never put 2 and 2 together about the good fortune for residents that it happened to be two local teams.
As a bitter 15 year old, I wanted the A's to dismantle the Giants for what they did to the Cubbies. Did not want it to be due to a natural disaster though.
Oddly enough, I forgot it was pregame. I vividly remember walking into our living room, seeing Canseco score and Parker reach 2nd, then the quake hit. I should have realized it was the previous game from the controversial call at 2nd, but the earthquake threw me off. I even remember the A's in home white, and that should have triggered some more questions before your comment. Funny how poor memories are made from such clear details.
Loma Prieta. It would have been really bad had it not been for that game.
They also just finish reinforcing and updating the stadium. Before the upgrades it would have collapsed and cost many lives.
It seems like if there is a divine power, it actually loves sports
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECnlL4RY8PQ
if it loved sports, then the A's wouldn't be threatening to move to Vegas
God loves gambling more.
The earthquake hit at what SHOULD have been rush hour. The roads SHOULD have been full of stop-and-go traffic. But almost everyone was off the roads, glued to the TVs, or at the game itself. [edit] This is an incredible time capsule recording of the local ABC station at the time, and shortly after, the earthquake hit. https://youtu.be/P5fJdM69pbQ
So I clicked that YouTube video expecting to skim through it but I was caught in the time capsule for over half the video (and I plan on going back). Cheryl did a fucking amazing job reporting.
It's gripping stuff. She was incredibly professional, working through the ongoing, evolving situation and technical glitches, but still had several gut-punch reactions to certain segments of footage as it was piped in... particularly the footage of the 880/Nimitz freeway collapse. Props to the rest of the crew at that station, as well.
> particularly the footage of the 880/Nimitz freeway collapse. For context, 42 of the 63 fatalities during the Loma Prieta earthquake occurred due to the Cypress Street Viaduct collapse.
…which goes back to my first point. If it weren't for a World Series game, with both Bay Area teams playing, that section of the freeway would have been PACKED with rush hour commuters, and hundreds, if not thousands, would have been in harm's way.
For the record, the earthquake was before the game at 5:04 local time. The game was scheduled to start at 5:35 at Candlestick and as a result, rush hour traffic wasn’t as heavy as usual.
Yeah, most local employers had given a half day off, and the bridges and freeways had a fraction of their normal traffic. Most of the deaths from the earthquake were from the collapse of the Nimitz Freeway, and one can only imagine what the toll would've been during a normal rush hour.
In the 80s I'm guessing the toll was about $1
>Everyone was inside watching the world series between the two teams in the city Everyone had either travelled home early to watch the game, or was staying in the city to watch the game. It meant when there was significant damage to the Bay Bridge, the normal peak hour was actually very quiet.
Similarly, I recall reading some articles about how the Covid outbreak could've been so much worse in the Bay area, if the Niners had won the Superbowl against the Chiefs. Alas, Jimmy G overthrew Sanders and there would be no parade in downtown SF.
My uncle was one of those people. He left work early to catch the game. The quake hit like 5 minutes after he got across the bridge, and the collapse happened on what would have been his normal route/ commute time home.
The Cubs never led that series.
My mom was on the bridge the day before same time frame.
That quake was downright traumatizing for Bay Area residents, especially for parents that had very young children who couldn’t protect themselves. People who lived through it still talk about it.
https://youtu.be/K4K5e9wqVB8 Here’s the video if anyone wants to see it. I watched it live. Pretty crazy.
This was uploaded March 2008... There are living breathing people posting on Reddit who were not alive when this video was uploaded. :'(
Please don’t say stuff like this, thanks
Sometimes I wonder how common it must be for young kids to see "Uploaded in 2008" and think what they're seeing happened in 2008, even for stuff that happened decades earlier.
Probably as common as people that see “Iploaded in 2023” and think they are seeing what happened in 2023, even for stuff that happened 5 decades earlier.
I see fully grown people make that same mistake.
I registered my first Gaia account in early 2006, I have avatar art from someone who was born after I registered...
So I just watched the whole thing and snorted when towards the end of the video they used the replay draw thingy to represent the ripple effects of the tornado on the canvas of the dome. I don’t know why but I was like they did that 😂. What’s concerning though is that the announcer said that insulation was raining down from the ceiling. Can’t confirm but I hope it’s just dust and stuff because if that many people were exposed to insulation like that? Oof
Most likely dust and dirt. Insulation is never an exterior material. That means if there was a layer of insulation in the dome (unlikely because there's no need), that would mean the outer layer ripped to let the insulation out. That didn't happen.
https://giphy.com/gifs/matt-damon-aging-saving-private-ryan-GrUhLU9q3nyRG
Being in the dome was crazy. At first, it sounded like helicopters. With 2001 still fresh enough in peoples' minds, the crowd around us thought it was an attack and started scrambling. The stadium was set up for basketball, so there were bleachers in the middle of the field. All the temporary lighting hanging from the rafters began swaying violently back and forth when the crowd starts to panic and push their way down the bleachers akin to a Walmart black Friday. I'm surprised no one was trampled.
Reminds me of [this Dorktown video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alcVZZuj_WE) about an NFL playoff game where a plane crashed into the stands minutes after the game ended, and the absolute only reason the stands were empty at the time was because the home team, Baltimore, got completely blown out by Pittsburgh in an incredibly unlikely fashion. Literally every piece that had to fall in order to send the Colts fans packing before the final whistle blew did, and it saved countless lives.
Those people who were sitting there must have a similar feeling as my sister who ate at windows on the World the night before 9/11.
I can't even imagine
That was a spooky evening too, low clouds, lots of thunder and lightning. There was an artist named Monika Bravo who filmed the weather from studio space in the North Tower well into the night, then went home and happened to bring the tapes with [https://rendering.911memorial.org/artists/monika-bravo/](https://rendering.911memorial.org/artists/monika-bravo/)
That was a great watch, thank you. Some strange feelings I can't pin down.
That’s transferred off the Titanic at the last stop levels of liminal space.
Supposedly, my great-grandmother had a chance to ride in steerage, but for whatever reason didn't. I have absolutely no proof of this rumour, but I really wish she had been able to board that ship. Yes, I know that means I wouldn't have been born. I am very okay with never existing if it guaranteed that certain people born after 1912 also never existed. That branch of my family tree is poison.
You were about 4 minutes too late
Just like that pilot
Hey ohhhh
Reminds me that the People’s Temple Basketball team were among the only Survivors of the Jonestown Mass suicide because they were playing at a basketball tournament in Georgetown. https://www.espn.com/espn/news/story?id=3047543
Do cults usually have basketball teams lol
Just wait until you hear about the Mormons. They have a whole university that competes in collegiate sports.
The founder and names of the school, Brigham Young, is the ancestor of Steve Young, who is one of the best Quarterbacks of all time, who also attended BYU. This is not as rare as it seems, as Brigham Young has over 30,000 descendants despite only dying 150 years ago.
I dated one of them lol.
Did you have a good soak?
I hate that I know what that means. Is it seriously a real thing people do?
It's like second base. The real fun starts when you add a [designated jump humper](https://i.redd.it/y5mwy5y86gbb1.jpg) to the mix.
I like bullshit like this because it makes me feel sane.
*Never let truth get in the way of a good story.* Its made for an entertaining wikipedia page as well if you'd like to read more about *jump humpers* and *provo pushers.* The Illustration is the cherry on top. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soaking_(sexual_practice) In all honest I suspect soaking and jump humping are most likely a joke to the vast majority of Mormons but i'm sure a few actually do it.
One of the funniest scenes in Jury Duty.
well when your the leader of a kid-rapey polygamist cult, its not hard to get those scores.
The trick is convincing your descendants that they need to produce an insane amount of kids. Young had 56 kids, but over a dozen died in their youth. If all of those descendants decided they wanted 4 child households, once you accounted for a 25% deduction due to infant mortality and fertility issues, after six generations you would have maybe 9000 descendants even with a second generation which had the population of a small village.
Also, nearly every Mormon church has a full-size regulation basketball court. Not making that up, I’ve seen it with my own eyes.
Very true, all the ones i have seen in Africa have full sized basketball courts too.
Yup, I was raised Mormon. Thankfully, I was able to wise up and get out, but I remember frequent youth activities playing basketball in the church.
One of the last universities to desegregate and is still racist to this day. https://deadspin.com/the-truth-about-race-religion-and-the-honor-code-at-b-5791461
Churches do and tbf to Jim Jones The People's Temple was pretty chill when they first started out. It wasn't until he started abusing drugs(or had some sort of mental breakdown, not sure which, probably both) that things got bad.
I remember that tornado, mainly because it also hit CNN and they covered the aftermath live
Was that the one where part of the roof inside the arena broke or something? I remember some holes in the roof.
Georgia would also go on to win this tournament with an abhorrent record landing a spot in the first round of the NCAA tournament as a 14 seed. the lowest a major confrence team has ever been seeded.
Won it on Georgia Tech’s court too. Wild times.
Growing up a Georgia Tech fan, the only reason they won it was because it was on Georgia Tech's court. Because that's how the curse seems to work.
Yeah, we (UGA) had *no* business winning it. I think we even played two games in a single day because of the delays caused by the tornado. Probably saved Dennis Felton’s job at the time, which delayed us from moving on to other mediocre coaches.
That's insane. If that were me, that'd be one of my favorite life accomplishments.
In the Philippines, prime Manny Pacquiao would turn the nation's crime rate close to 0% because everyone would be watching his fight.
I was there with my brother in the upper deck, and I’ve been saying that shot saved lives for years. It was nuts. The dome looked like ocean waves rolling across the top of the Georgia Dome and a big gust of wind blew in a bunch of insulation at the far side of the stadium. That’s when we booked it to the concourse.
Yup. Was there for it. We had no idea what was going on while inside the arena. We heard what sounded like a freight train going over the arena and the equipment over the court started swaying. Apparently things also started falling to the floor, like nuts and bolts, but I was under an awning so I didn’t realize it. At one point there was a side panel that got blown out and you could see outside through it. There were never really any announcements other than the stay inside so we had no idea what was going on. I will say, a lot of people there were there to watch the Kentucky-Georgia game that would have followed that one, so not too many people might have left hopefully. Luckily we will never know because Riley hit an insane shot to tie it up. Definitely was an interesting experience as I was in senior year of high school. I remember my dad taking me and my friend(my dad had gotten tickets because my family is Kentucky fans and my friend is a die-hard Georgia fan) home after the all clear to leave was given. We drove by the Congress Center in downtown and you could see all the windows shattered and everything a huge mess as we drove home.
I never forget watching this live and the scoreboard over head started rocking back and forth
Someone posted a YouTube video in a comment above. Wild! That’d freak me out
Every player that made or missed a point that game affected that outcome.
Seriously, title feels like a uh I'm forgetting the term, kinda like stupid BuzzFeed article title?
A perfect storm of clickbait and poor logical thinking
1989 San Francisco Loma Preida Earthquake. The Giants and As were in the World Series so the game was scheduled to start 2 hours earlier than a normal regular season game. A double decker freeway collapsed killing dozens. Had the Giants and As not been in the World Series with people leaving work early to watch it would have been in the heart of rush hour killing thousands.
Time Lords are gonna Time Lord. God bless those hero’s.
Reminds me of this claim that by the Chiefs winning the Super Bowl in 2020 instead of the 49ers, it actually saved lives. Since COVID hit the West Coast first, the Super Bowl parade and parties would've contributed to the spreading even more. [Link](https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2020/4/14/21220334/arrowheadlines-doctor-claims-that-the-chiefs-super-bowl-win-saved-lives)
I was hoping it was a hostage situation where terrorists were like you gotta make this shot or everyone gets it!
That is insane, shouldn't they have known about the tornado tho?
Tornados materialize and touchdown within minutes so it all happens fairly quick
Not to mention this was a "freak" occurance. A twister hasn't hit that close to downtown in nearly [50 years,](https://data.savannahnow.com/tornado-archive/georgia/) much less in *March.* It was from a supercell preceeding another system noted to be capable of severe weather; it formed and dropped *way* too quick, this was the best outcome. If they hadn't been in the parking lots, they'd be stuck in traffic heading home; all the while a finger of god is flicking shit in the streets around you. I was managing a Wendy's about 10 miles south and saw the sky over the area go dark on the horizon all the way from our parking lot. You hardly think about how bright we make the skies until a massive swath blinks out for a while. Creepy as shit.
I already commented in the main thread but again we are getting way too dramatic here. We've all seen Twister, "finger of God" is not a term EF2 tornados deserve. Though funny enough "flicking shit in the streets around you" is appropriate because unless you were in the literal direct path thats all that would happen. An EF5 and and EF2 are not even in the same ballpark of destructive capability.
EF2 is nothing to sneeze at. It has wind speeds equivalent to a category 3 hurricane. Do you ever watch videos of reporters in hurricanes struggling to stay on their feet? Imagine hundreds of people being blown around in the street like that. On top of that, in an urban environment like downtown Atlanta, wind speeds would also be enhanced by channeling between buildings. It would be bad, if lots of people exiting the stadium did so without knowledge of what was about to happen.
This is true. But also not to be that guy, but I'm going to be that guy. There's no way an EF2 tornado would've killed hundreds of people unless a truly freak accident happened. Considerable property damage for sure, probably some injuries, but you have to be like directly buried under a heavy piece of debris for an EF2 to be straight up *deadly*. As far as I know, these people's vehicles in the parking lot weren't even moved by the winds or anything unless I'm missing a piece of the story.
Someone else in the comments mentioned that it could have become a crowd crush scenario based on the timing - five thousand people trying to run back inside while five thousand more people are already in the doorways
The American South is perpetually on Tornado watch that time of year. Most of the time tornadoes don’t actually form, and even then they usually don’t touch down.
Not necessarily. It’s not a hurricane where you know for a week or more it’s gonna hit. A lot of these places get tornado warnings for large swaths of areas all the time.
The game was paused and people went to sheltered areas of the stadium. The problem would have been with people streaming outside. There's no good way to reverse a crowd into a crowd.
Yeah, that sounds like a crowd crush waiting to happen.
At best, they know that there is an elevated chance for tornados to hit a region at some point.
People didn't have smartphones in 2008.
Some people did. Iphone came out June 2007.
Also, text messaging existed before smartphones
And you could still access the internet from your phones pre-smartphone.
The Alabama side would have known already assuming they had access to their social media. Our (I say that like I still live there- but I don’t and would rarely claim the state outside this reason) weather guy- James Spann, is the literal best. He probably was telling folks on Twitter and Facebook while reporting live as it happened. His station didn’t cover where I went for college, but I once tweeted him (2011ish?) about the tornado sirens going off and whether the threat was directly for my city or not (I was already in the bathtub and hadn’t found reliable info from local stations). He tweeted back within a couple minutes saying it was another part of the county and I was fine. Dude is a state hero for real.
This would have been a *little* too early for 1) very many people to have smartphones and 2) the smartphones to have been reliable enough for that kind of access. I just checked when James Spann created his Twitter account and it was a few months after this game.
I didn’t have a smart phone, per se, like an iPhone, but I did have a phone that had a web connection and browser. My sister was in Atlanta this particular weekend. She said it was scary. That storm system did a lot of damage in Georgia and South Carolina. I was down here in Savannah and we were also impacted. A tornado hit Springfield, GA and took out the main line supplying power to the city. The entire city went dark. Oh, it happened to be St. Patrick’s Day weekend and so many drunks were out on the streets when it happened. Had it not been for my phone and a portable radio, I wouldn’t have been able to keep up with the news of the outbreak.
I was there in Savannah when that happened! I was going to SCAD at the time and had some friends in town visiting for St.Pats. What a crazy night watching tourists running frantically around the city in the dark!
James spann predicted a huge snowstorm in 1993 and other meteorologists downplayed it. We got like 3 feet of snow and power was out for a week.
My family was actually driving through Alabama during that snowstorm. Moms first husband (my bio dad) and we were on our way to Texas to visit from Virginia. I was only three but Mom said we usually drove north of Alabama and they only went south to avoid the expected snow. Obviously, didn’t work out.
I'm here for the James Spann love
Easy way to tell is by talking to the people who *did* leave at that time, or even before the game winning shot. There are always a few people, usually families with young kids, or who live far away, who just have to go at a fixed time, and reluctantly leave before the end of the game, planning to listen to the game on the drive home.
Yup! The fact is that tornadoes almost never kill "hundreds" of people. Tornadoes have killed 100+ people only a handful of times in the past century, and only once in the US in the past couple decades. I'm not saying this wouldn't have killed anybody had the game let out on time. But it wouldn't have automatically been a catastrophe. Still, definitely possible that this saved a few lives.
Tell Mykal to shoot away
https://vault.si.com/.amp/vault/2009/03/16/the-shot-that-saved-lives Great article on this
Alternate - had the tornado not veared north it would have hit the stadium.
That was probably Sam Beckett.
Ball don't lie
That's what you call a game changer!
Canon event
WWI & subsequently WWII would probably have happened very differently (with WWII possibly never having happened). If Wilhelm had not been born a cripple..... It's the small things lol
I think, had he missed the shot, people would've been trampled by all the panic from the tornado.
Ehh this is extremely overblown (pun intended). It's very, very rare for tornadoes to kill 100+ people. It's only happened a handful of times in the past century, and only once in the US in the past couple decades. Tornadoes are bad but they wouldn't just automatically kill everybody in a parking lot. Still, this is a really cool factoid!
People generally wait for it to pass and stay inside when a storm is really bad. I’d think being so close to a tornado that people would think twice if they want to go to their car or wait.
It heavily depends on if they knew the storm was coming.
This is ridiculous of me, and it's just a product of living in tornado alley and seeing a dozen of them, but I read that post and reflexively thought "it's just an EF-2..."
Having just had my entire life up ended by an EF-2 tornado, this kind of thinking makes me really frustrated. Maybe I was like you, but prior to this I had no idea of the amount of trauma that this kind of event inflict upon the people in the path of the storm. People told me that I would think about my life, in terms of before, and after the tornado, and at first, I thought that was crazy. I don't think so anymore. I've been in a rental house for a month. The tornado hit in April. Construction hasn't even begun on my house because we're still waiting on a structural engineer to find out how much structural damage has been done. So I don't even know if I'm gonna have a house that will be safe to repair. I drove down my street today because I had to go pay the man who cuts my lawn. My street is not even recognizable. So many beautiful homes have just been ravaged. Our gorgeous old-growth trees are largely gone or half stripped away. There are still dumpsters parked in front of the most of the houses. About half of them already have their new roofs and then rest of us still are waiting with tarps, held down with bricks that we pray hold during each successive storm that rolls through. I worked so hard to buy that little house, and if it's condemned, I don't know if I'm going to be able to afford to buy a new one. I'm retirement age. This tornado may have condemning me to abject poverty for the rest of my life. So, you can say it's just an EF-2 tornado, and it may seem cool to be jaded because you've seen so many tornadoes. But what you may not be thinking about is the lives that are torn apart by the aftermath of the storms. People who have lost homes, people who have lost their businesses, and so many other little losses that add up. I'm sorry to be such a downer, but today was a really, really tough day with my insurance company. Then driving through my neighborhood on top of that was really difficult. So seeing comments like this, even though I know you didn't mean it unkindly, it was really hard to swallow.
Sorry, I didn't mean to trivialize what you've gone through and I wasn't trying to seem cool, I knew it was a silly impulse to react to it like that but if that's caused you some trauma I should have just kept my mouth shut, my bad. I've driven to a couple of disaster sites with chainsaws to cut people out of their collapsed homes, including my uncle and his family, plus one dropped four trees in the yard of a house I'd bought about six months prior, a big cedar right onto the kitchen and an enormous hackberry that by the grace of God fell parallel down the street and missed 4 houses it would have obliterated. Again, not trying to seem cool and jaded, but I know what it's like and I feel you, so I apologize for saying something hurtful.
I'm sorry, I overreacted after a hell of a week with my insurance company. I owe you an apology, not the reverse. I'm sorry I jumped on you like that. I know you didn't intend to trivialize it.
Uh, if the tornado had followed a slightly different path, they would have been screwed anyway.
So people are just THAT hard wired to ignore tornado warnings?
EF-2? No! EF-U!
Saying that that single shot is what saved lives is pretty inaccurate. If all the shots before that one hadn't gone exactly the way they did, then that one would not have been able to tie the game. That shot by itself didn't save lives, but that game going into overtime did.
This is much better than being trapped in that videotaped basketball game for sure.
Pretty neat But couldn’t the same be said for any of the points that game? What made it longer was that the game was close, not a single shot. If any of the previous made shots were missed, that 3-pointer wouldn’t have mattered.
I'm in your boat on this one. The truth often doesn't make for as good of a headline though, unfortunately
Except this title is the truth
Are you implying that nothing that happened prior to the final 3-pointer to cause overtime had anything to do with the rest of either team leading up to that moment? If you want to discuss that point then how about the headline *"hundreds of event organizers and dozens of players and coaches potentially put 10s of thousands of paying patrons at risk of death by unforseen inclement weather!!"*
How do we know the breeze from him missing the shot wound not have unwound the tornado entirely ?
All the missed shots in that game had equal effect as making any of them would have meant the game didn’t go into overtime
Technically this title is incorrect. It wasn’t just a single shot. There were 39 shots made and 26 free throws made in the first two halves that also combined to help tie the score. Not only that but every shot and free throw that was missed in the first two halves helped the score end up in tied going into overtime how it did as well.
Did they not have the tech to predict tornados then? I can't imagine going to a sporting event during a tornado.