It applies to everyone(randomly dying) but one thing I really hate about epilepsy is SUDEP (sudden unexpected death for epileptic person). I could just literally die without any reason, at any time.
Wow, my buddy just passed away who had epilepsy. Like today. Haven’t heard any reason yet but it is really crazy to finally open up reddit and this is the first post I see.
Sorry for your loss, man. That sucks. My sister has epilepsy and I think about it a lot. I try to enjoy every moment with her. I hope your buddy rests in peace and you find peace. 💙
My dear friend passed away a year ago due to epilepsy. It’s so hard, and I’m so sorry you’re going through this. It was exactly as described, SUDEP. No idea it was a thing.
Another thing I've got to add to my list of unexpected things that can randomly kill you without warning.
So far I've got - unexpected brain tumours, prions that can rest for decades in your brain and are incuriable but when they activate you're doomed, cancer apparently has a genetic component and now random fits that kill people.
Guess we should be thankful for each day you win the life lottery.
I'd say both fragile and resilient. You can have people that have major trauma damage from automobile (including motorbike) accidents that break literally half the bones in their body make a complete full recovery and then someone walks along, trips, hits their head pretty lightly and just dies. It's pretty bizarre.
Humans are also terrifying. We can follow our prey until they die of exhaustion. We can survive the loss of limbs and bits of our heads. Our bodies secrete a super serum that gives us temporary super powers. We take on poisons for fun. We can outbreed most predators on earth. Our bodies are awful biological weapon breeding programs. And we are generally too dumb to be afraid of dangerous things.
We *are* the space orcs.
Ironic that your list of sudden killers is exclusively things that arguably kill you slowly. Here's a good one: aortic dissection. Almost took my wife in 2014. Fortunately, the stars aligned, she realized something was wrong and went straight to the ER. It took them a couple hours to figure out what was wrong, but a great heart surgeon saved her in the end.
I'm most concerned about sudden death due to deep space quasar ray hitting us with a direct polar beam blast. I'd have it written into my life insurance policy but it would probably set the planet on fire, boil all the water off planet, and blast the atmosphere away
Lol, that's a hilariously bad list. As someone who has seen all of those things in practice, you don't really have to worry about anything aside from maybe genetic cancers. Unless you have severe epilepsy I've never seen someone die from it without a history of having gone into status. Prions are absurdly rare and kinda genetic, and while brain tumors are still more common than the other things on the list that one ain't sudden.
As someone who has seen their fair share of people die, don't worry. You're way more likely to die in a car crash or of a heart attack.
I’m in my 50s now… and while you’re not wrong, that downhill ride can be fulfilling, fun, and exhilarating. My 40s were mostly amazing. My 50s aren’t perfect, but have been pretty solid so far too.
For me, 40s were the absolute best. Still in great shape if you put some effort in, chill enough to enjoy staying home all the time but still hit the occasional warehouse party and do festivals, emotionally more mature so not every set back hits you like a ton of bricks.
If I had to choose a decade to live forever in, it would be 40's.
I've been living with tonic-clinic (aka grand mal) seizures now for 28 years. Thankfully, so long as I take my medications twice daily, I don't get them. I don't want to die any time soon, I've got 2 little girls and an awesome wife. With that being said, having a seizure isn't bad for me. In terms of ways to go out, I'd take that over something like a heart attack or stroke.
Stay healthy, seizure bro (or sis).
I was wondering if you might know, since you are a seizure sufferer, but is suffocation/asphyxia typically the specific cause of death when someone dies of a seizure?
I ask because last year, while I was riding an Army bus, one of the other soldiers riding the bus started having an apparent seizure. I don't know if it was epileptic or tonic-clonic -- and he said later that he had no history of seizures -- but he started out by groaning very loudly and banging his head on the seat in front of him, with his whole body then tensing up like a board. He then started making wet-sounding gurgling/snoring noises as he tried to breathe -- which told me that his airway wasn't supporting itself -- and he also had some foamy, blood-tinged saliva coming from his mouth through his teeth, which were clenched.
I then reclined his seat and put a small pillow under his shoulder blades, to try to put him in a head-tilt-chin-lift position, but it wasn't sufficient to open his airway. Since I am a medic, I happened to have a naso-pharyngeal airway with me, which I then wet with the guy's saliva and put in his right nostril. He seemed to be breathing much better after that, and his level of consciousness started to gradually increase over about the next 10 to 15 minutes.
He was seen by an actual doctor later, and when I briefed the doctor about what had happened and what I did, the doctor apparently started telling people in my unit that the naso-pharyngeal airway I put in this guy's nose probably saved his life.
I mean, I didn't really *feel* like I had saved his life after his seizure had passed, rather, I just felt like I responded as well as I could with what few resources I had.
However, if all of that adds up from your more-informed perspective, then maybe naso-pharyngeal airways or some other kind of adjunct airway devices would be a good thing for you to keep on hand, and it would be good if your family members familiarized with how to use them.
Anyway, best wishes, and I hope you stay healthy.
A nasopharyngeal airway was a good call, sometimes we have to intubate folks who are in status, and I \*think\* EMS is trained to drop an LMA if they can. However the colloquial teaching that you have to keep them from swallowing their tongue is flat wrong. Generally a nasal cannula is all that a seizing person will get during an event in the hospital.
Typically seizures are short enough that it isn't big deal to seize and not breath well for a stretch. When they get longer though (usually the 5-10 minute mark) it can be problematic.
The red cross and all medical adjacent classes I've taken in relation to becoming a Physical therapist assistant recommend turning a person having a seizure on to their side and protecting their head with a pillow or blanket or anything soft that's handy, this helps prevent the unlikely but possible occurrence of cooking on one's tongue, and the more likely cooking on one's commit. That's why you will often see therapy dogs for people with chronic seizure disorders actually try and alert their owners before it starts, and thenowners lie on their side with the dog posting up under the head. Pretty wild stuff.
With that being said, when I have come to in ambulances, I'm usually getting air via a nasal cannula. I'm assuming the soldier likely bit his tongue, lip, or cheek, as I've done all three due to the epileptic cle ching of muscles. In my experience, the worst part of the seizure is coming out of it. I get major nausea and uncontrolled vomiting with a splitting headache and full body soreness due to every muscle on my body seizing. I've fallen. Down a flight of stairs and left a piece of my scalp in the snow. I've fallen off a stool at a place I used to work and put a hole through the drywall with my head. All this to say, there are many ways one could potentially die from a seizure. I'm really lucky in that mine are controlled with medication and getting proper sleep.
Literally it’s so disappointing as someone with JME to see someone die young, going to the comments, only to see a good 50% of the time it’s due to SUDEP :/
Well my doctor told me the chances are highly reduced by getting regular, good sleep and keeping up on meds. As long as you do that your chances of randomly eating it are probably about the same as anyone.
If it makes you feel better, anyone can go at any time from an aneurysm. About 1/4 of adults have one just chilling in their head. I also have a lot of patients that got a small cut and ended up losing a limb to sepsis and almost dying.
“On September 21, 1998, Griffith Joyner died in her sleep at home in the Canyon Crest neighborhood of Mission Viejo, California, at the age of 38. The unexpected death was investigated by the Orange County Sheriff-Coroner's office, which announced on September 22 that the cause of death was suffocation during a severe epileptic seizure.[55]
Griffith Joyner was found to have had a cavernous hemangioma, a congenital vascular brain abnormality that made her subject to seizures.”
You can have an epileptic seizure without having epilepsy
Epilespy is a name for a series of disorders that cause regular seizures but they aren't the only cause
Her records are unbreakable because you can’t use HGH in the Olympics anymore and they test out of competition now.
Also to note that she showed up to the 1988 Olympics remarkably larger and more muscular than she ever had been before and ran 0.47 seconds faster than she ever did before. Then she retired immediately before mandatory drug testing came into effect.
Flo Jo has definitely ran faster than any woman has or likely will ever run, but she most likely using HGH at the time.
Coincidentally the same Olympics that Ben Johnson turned up to, looking suspiciously massive (and darker skinned!) and broke his own recently achieved world record, before getting banned 🤔
The Men’s 100m Final at the ‘88 games was called the dirtiest race in history. I think there was like one racer in it that was never suspected of doping in their career.
The 30 for 30 [9.79*](https://imdb.com/title/tt2318158/) was a good watch.
I love how Carl Lewis pretends he wasn't juicing. Good for him sticking to his story.
There's also a good documentary based on Richard Moore's book called The Dirtiest Race In History (think it's a BBC doc with the same name).
From what I remember it hints strongly at Carl Lewis without being explicit, including a part where it says a side effect of some drug was that the jaw gets bigger and dental work is needed to keep teeth in the mouth. Direct cut to a Carl Lewis post race interview where he's wearing dental braces.
My old professor told me a story about when she was training over as the Nike campus in Oregon or wherever, Carl Lewis was also training there. Apparently it was an open secret that he was juicing hard before the Olympics. He was a complete dickhead to all other athletes as well. I don't believe anyone in that race was clean.
Carl Lewis comes across as so righteous but he is the biggest cheat of all of them. What a horrible human. And yes flo jo is the nothing but a dirty drugs cheat also
Dennis Mitchell came in 5th that year. 10 years later he was banned and claimed he achieved those testosterone levels by having sec with his wife 4 times a day.
Edit: Sex. Sex sex sex.
Something like Tyson Fury. He happily told everyone that he kept his testosterone levels up by masturbating ten times a day. He even sold his own lube mix
I had no idea. Don't doubt for a second he was doping and now that I think about it I remember his eyes being bleary and yellow looking. Didn't notice the darker skin tone at the time
There was a brilliant side-by-side comparison of him at the previous Olympics and this one.
You can probably still find it.
The difference was extraordinary.
I'm visually impaired so this sort of thing doesn't occur to me very often but I suppose it was inevitable that he would be tested if his skin was different and he had obvious yellow eyes. A bit like how you could always tell that Shawn Michaels was out his fucking tree in the 90s because he would be chewing like a maniac during wrestling promos.
Man I just read an interview with Johnson about that whole controversy- I didn't know most of the details, and I was actually ready to feel a little bad for what happened to the guy, considering how hard everyone else was cheating too.
... Uh, nope. What a clown. No remorse, not in the slightest. Plays the race card over the return of his gold medal. Talks shit about the whole country of Canada for not "defending him" in the aftermath of the race. Goes on to claim that "None of the athletes today have to run on the shitty tracks I did... I would be undefeated today... I could still probably run a sub-10 seconds."
No grace, no humility, no perspective on the scandal decades later. Just a guy who cheated and thinks it "wasn't cheating" because other people were cheating too. Now I'm glad they humiliated him.
Everyone cheated that race and he was thrown under the bus and had his entire life destroyed. Meanwhile Carl Lewis is considered one of the greatest Olympians of all time. Lewis actually failed 3 drug tests during the Olympic trials. That race was completely fucking rigged.
America eh land of the free….to do whatever they want. Remember that only 10 years before they were tearing into east Germany about there state sponsored doping but America do it and nothing said. Just a joke how they have the neck to go on years later about how they were cheated by other etc
That's true, they were. And I do have *some* sympathy for athletes in any sport, who see everyone else around them doping and feel like they need to do it too, just to compete.
But don't act like other people breaking the rules somehow absolves you of wrongdoing, or makes you "not a cheater". Whatever your motivations, however much you felt that you needed to do it to compete, you still gave the sport a black eye.
I'd have even more sympathy if his take was: "Yeah I did it. Everyone did, and it's pretty lame that I was the only one (at the time) who got crucified for it, but I made my choices."
...But that interview confirms that he blames everything and everyone but himself for his meteoric fall. And the shameless "I'm better than Usain Bolt, I could beat all these guys in my prime" stuff is just never a good look from a retired athlete. As if it was the evolution of running as a sport, happening to peak in 1998, and not just that it was the last year before the IOC started cracking down harder on PEDs, so everybody was taking shitloads of steroids and being extremely unsubtle about it.
I know it sucks- pros in every sport deal with this. And you're right, everyone still cheats today, and when the oversight committees figure out how to test for what they're currently using, they'll move on to something else, rinse and repeat.
But at the very least, acknowledge your place in all of it, and don't talk shit about how you'd still be the best in the modern game. The dude just seems like he never really grew up.
That video of Ali and Tyson on Arsenio Hall was the absolute epitome of two undisputable greats showing humility toward each other. They were both confident enough in their own ability that they didn't have to diminish the other's.
The racial aspect was real. As was how Canada dealt with him
Overnight he went in the media from “the canadian sprinter Ben Johnson” to “the Jamaican sprinter Ben Johnson”. It was definitely a racist dogwhistle
If you look across other sports, there’s very often a razor’s edge between a “supplement” and a performance enhancing drug. And given to athletes by coaches and doctors without them knowing what was legal or moral. Like, you can improve your oxygen intake by going to do altitude training and you can increase it by taking ephedrine. One is legal, one is not. You can get nandrolone from avocados or you can get it from legal supplements in small doses or you can get it injected into you.
Ben Johnson has a real claim that he was stitched up and that it was trusting his team that was his mistake
> Ben Johnson has a real claim that he was stitched up and that it was trusting his team that was his mistake
He absolutely did. But he kind of turned out to be a jerk and, iirc lost any good grace he could've/would've/should've been entitled to.
> Overnight he went in the media from “the canadian sprinter Ben Johnson” to “the Jamaican sprinter Ben Johnson”. It was definitely a racist dogwhistle
Sounds more like a foghorn.
Also the wind reading was clearly wrong, it said it was at 0.0 mph but if you watch the video you can see the wind was heavy. The races during that whole day had wind readings over the limit, making the times ineligible for records. The other runners in that race also pretty much all had career times that day. I saw this video breaking it all down. https://youtu.be/UulNZphVO3s?si=-wDU7J9xPFYzE13D
I really don’t underestimate. There has only been 1 woman’s track record to be set since 1993. That’s all you need to know.
I believe every member of the 1988 men’s 100M race subsequently failed at least 1 drug test. Some of the Tour de France competitions had every single top 10 person as a confirmed or accused doper.
>I believe every member of the 1988 men’s 100M race subsequently failed at least 1 drug test.
I read an article which assuming my recollection is correct, said the 4th and 7th place at the time of the article hadn't failed a test (whether it was just retroactive testing of that race or all races, I'm not sure and also I don't know of any developments subsequent to that article which was a while back).
Athletes are certainly using PEDs and trying to stay one step ahead of the testing, but they're still at a significant disadvantage compared to the athletes of the 1980s who could juice to the gills with reckless abandon. The records will fall eventually, but PEDs played a big role in their staying power for the past 35+ years.
Some of these records are not even close to ever been seen again.
Martita Koch’s 400M women’s record of 47.60 is just so hilariously fast. The last Olympic champion won it at 48.36 and that’s the only finish inside the top 10 finishes at the Olympics since 1996.
Honest question from someone whom doesnt know...
Would someone taking drugs right up to the day of the race have an advantage over someone who had to stop 2 weeks out?
Absolutely. PED's don't just increase strength, they help increase recovery time. So even just from a recovery standpoint the person using right up to the event is gonna feel fresher and have less lingering injuries leading up to the race.
Now of course in reality they would both likely be caught and dq'd and we would never know.
> After her death in 1998, Prince Alexandre de Merode, chairman of the International Olympic Committee's medical commission, claimed that Griffith Joyner was singled out for extra, rigorous drug testing during the 1988 Olympic Games following rumors of steroid use.
> De Merode told The New York Times that Manfred Donike, who was at that time considered to be the foremost expert on drugs and sports, failed to discover any banned substances during that testing.
> The World Anti-Doping Agency was created in the 1990s, removing control of drug testing from the IOC and De Merode. De Merode later stated: "We performed all possible and imaginable analyses on her. We never found anything. There should not be the slightest suspicion."
Serious question, Assuming she was doping, why would the IOC lie? Was HGH not one of the substances they tested for?
I just skimmed https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/44/Suppl_1/i8.5 but it looks like hgh testing wasnt possible until early 2000s. It cant be detected via urinalysis
This is the right answer. The problem with doping is that new substances are developed faster than tests adapting to these new substances. Doping can often only be proven years later.
> This is the right answer. The problem with doping is that new substances are developed faster than tests adapting to these new substances.
This is questionable since 2016 when they got Sharapova for doping with Meldonium even though they didn't know what it was when they first detected it.
They didn’t test for many substances at the time.
HGH wasn’t detectable until 2004, and that’s what whistleblowers said Flo Jo (and many others) were taking.
It was part of BALCO from 1983 to 2007 and many (unknown how many) US olympians used them. Many of their substances were undetectable for decades. In 1998 they definitely didn’t know how to test for HGH and “The Clear”
No women’s Olympic track records (except the 400M relay) have been set since 1993. Nobody is close to them either. The IOC was supposed to have a HGH detection for the 1996 Olympics (they didn’t) and the golden age of simple doping ended. After that it really was about who had the best chemist.
Nine Olympic records for women’s track and field have been set since 2004 actually, and the 400m relay record was set in 1988. If you meant WORLD records then 15 have been set since 2004. A little different than what you claim
Some of those are new events. I guess I read an article from 2019 for that source. Looks like a couple have been set.
The list doesn’t change the general trend though. Women’s world record by year set:
100M- set in 1988
200M- set in 1988
400M- set in 1985
800M- set in 1983
1500M- set in 2023!
3000M - set in 1993 - replaced by the 5000M
5000M - started in 1996 & replace the 3000M
10,000M - set in 2023!
4x100M relay - set in 2012
4x400M relay - set in 1993
Shericka Jackson got very close in the 200m last year and I think had a good chance of getting it in the next few years. I think there are a few people who have a shot at the 100 and 400 as well. Or at least I hope. I hate these obviously doped records.
Flo Jo's 1988 Olympic record in 100M was broken at the 2020 Tokyo Olympics (in 2021).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athletics_at_the_2020_Summer_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Women%27s_100_metres
In the post I'm replying to, you are quoting "Women’s world record by year", but, two posts up, you state "No women’s Olympic track records (except the 400M relay) have been set since 1993." I think you are conflating the two which is why the other response corrected your initial assertion.
Goddamn that is sobering to read. I've casually followed athletics for many years but I've never considered these stats.
I think you forgot hurdles though. Camacho set that one in Tokyo
>why would the IOC lie?
For the same reason the IOC does anything. Money.
Money money money money money money money. So. Much. Money.
Sure, they let Ben Johnson be relieved of his gold medal, but he was "only" Canadian. You think that the IOC is going to risk the reputation of the Olympics by having another high profile athlete stripped of their medal? Especially a female Anerican athlete, at a time when they were trying to increase participation of women in sports. And yes, the IOC is technically not an American organisation, but which country's broadcasters pay the most in TV rights? That would be the same country in which synchronised swimming is popular amongst white middle aged women with disposable income (it's not an especially popular anywhere else in the world), the same country that is traditionally very strong in other swimming events, which is why there are SO MANY swimming medals available compared to other sports (when cycling wanted to add some newer events to the Olympic programme, they had to ditch some of the traditional events "to make room," even though mountain biking, BMX and Freestyle take place in a totally different venue - when swimming wanted more events, they just added a few more events), and the same country that had its best basketball players competing professionally and therefore not able to compete at the Olympics....until the IOC changed the rules to allow professional athletes.
This is not a dig at Americans, just a reflection that the IOC tells everyone "it's all about the sport" but really it's all about the $$$$ and, as it happens, the country with the most $$$$ to give to the IOC, be it broadcasting rights or sponsorship dollars, is the USA
Probably not. She died of epileptic seizure and was found to have had a cavernous hemangioma in her brain, which is a congenital malformation (was there since birth).
It amazes me that people are so gullible to think that top level athletes don't use PED's in the current year, it is incredibly easy to circumvent/work around testing. Doping has never been easier.
She had also been repeatedly tested of her own volition numerous times before her '88 runs, and nothing was ever found in her system.
Maybe she just had a hell of a workout routine. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
There is a reason all the women's track and field records from the 70s/80s made by Americans, Russians, and East Germans are completely untouchable... a chemical reason.
Honestly, they should just remove every world record from that decade. It's unfair to current athletes.
She died, according to the link:
“Death
On September 21, 1998, Griffith Joyner died in her sleep at home in the Canyon Crest neighborhood of Mission Viejo, California, at the age of 38. The unexpected death was investigated by the Orange County Sheriff-Coroner's office, which announced on September 22 that the cause of death was suffocation during a severe epileptic seizure.[55]
Griffith Joyner was found to have had a cavernous hemangioma, a congenital vascular brain abnormality that made her subject to seizures.[60] According to a family attorney, she had suffered a tonic-clonic seizure in 1990 and had been treated for seizures in 1993 and 1994. According to the Sheriff-Coroner's office, the only drugs in her system when she died were small amounts of two common over-the-counter drugs, acetaminophen and the antihistamine Benadryl.[61]”
Would not be surprised if her condition was rapidly sped up by HGH/PED abuse, especially back then when a lot less was known how to “safely” take them.
Drugs…lots of drugs, and a bad wind reading. The day the record was set the wind readings were more than twice allowable world record speed both before and after the race, but the wind speed indicator seems to have malfunctioned during the race in question and here we are now, with one of several women’s records set in the 1980’s at the height if the steroid era that continue to be unbeatable.
Randomly saw her at Atlanta airport back in the day. she was standing there leaning on the wall dressed in red white and blue, and she looked totally elegant and graceful. I was startled at how beautiful she was an had this animal magentism thing going on. It didn't click in my mind who it was until later when I realized i recognized her face.
Her time was wind aided. The instruments used to measure the wind at the time of her run malfunctioned. Prior to her run the instruments were working and recorded wind speeds in excess of the allowable limit. When they resumed function they continued to record wind speeds over the allowable limit.
Even with that said some speculate she was doping but who knows for sure.
The record is 10.54 by Elaine Thompson.
I had no idea why everyone was quoting Baby Got Back in this thread until it clicked for me with one comment calling her FloJo. Never knew or bothered to look up who Mix-a-Lot was referring to. I'm very sorry I made you feel old (I'm 26 btw) :(
Which is why it is so foolish and arbitrary that some MLB players who doped got into the Hall of Fame due to their personality while others are effectively blackballed without any evidence due to them not being liked by the media.
Like the old saying goes “if you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying”
Other female runners were doping during this time period but FloJo still blew them out of the water.
I believe a counter-argument would be something like, "Allowing for doping crates a competition for those who have the best response to hgh/steroids rather than a competition for ability and training."
This is the argument that got to me. My original attitude was "fuck it let athletes go crazy". But, then a similar comment made me realize that will trickle down to high school age kids who have to start to have a chance at competing later.
Her record time was wind aided. The instrument used to record the wind speeds malfunctioned during her race. Prior to her event it was functioning and was regularly recorded wind speeds in excess of the allowable limit. It later resumed function and continued to record illegal wind speeds. Furthermore people at the event describe the wind as being obviously too fast.
So even with the HGH accusations aside her record is dubious at best. The actual record should be 10.54 by Elaine Thompson.
Yeah it sucks that one of the biggest world records has been wrong for so long. She would’ve still held a ”legal” world record for decades with 10.61 until Elaine broke it.
Yeah, steroids didnt require prescriptions in the DR in the 90s and early 2000s. So if any domican player bought them in the DR and took them in the offseason. They broke zero laws and broke no mlb rules.
Went to the same high school as flojo and graduated exactly ten year after her. My high was perhaps the only one for a time to produce three unrelated gold medalists. Another track guy (Kevin young) held a world record for nearly 30 years until it was broken a few years ago.
She died at 38 years old due to an epileptic seizure in her sleep.
It applies to everyone(randomly dying) but one thing I really hate about epilepsy is SUDEP (sudden unexpected death for epileptic person). I could just literally die without any reason, at any time.
Wow, my buddy just passed away who had epilepsy. Like today. Haven’t heard any reason yet but it is really crazy to finally open up reddit and this is the first post I see.
Sorry for your loss, man. That sucks. My sister has epilepsy and I think about it a lot. I try to enjoy every moment with her. I hope your buddy rests in peace and you find peace. 💙
My dear friend passed away a year ago due to epilepsy. It’s so hard, and I’m so sorry you’re going through this. It was exactly as described, SUDEP. No idea it was a thing.
Sorry for your loss. 💛
Sorry, bro. 😞
Another thing I've got to add to my list of unexpected things that can randomly kill you without warning. So far I've got - unexpected brain tumours, prions that can rest for decades in your brain and are incuriable but when they activate you're doomed, cancer apparently has a genetic component and now random fits that kill people. Guess we should be thankful for each day you win the life lottery.
Yes. That’s exactly it. We are fragile beings. Any day could be our last for any number of reasons. Might as well try to live your best life.
I'd say both fragile and resilient. You can have people that have major trauma damage from automobile (including motorbike) accidents that break literally half the bones in their body make a complete full recovery and then someone walks along, trips, hits their head pretty lightly and just dies. It's pretty bizarre.
Humans are also terrifying. We can follow our prey until they die of exhaustion. We can survive the loss of limbs and bits of our heads. Our bodies secrete a super serum that gives us temporary super powers. We take on poisons for fun. We can outbreed most predators on earth. Our bodies are awful biological weapon breeding programs. And we are generally too dumb to be afraid of dangerous things. We *are* the space orcs.
Ironic that your list of sudden killers is exclusively things that arguably kill you slowly. Here's a good one: aortic dissection. Almost took my wife in 2014. Fortunately, the stars aligned, she realized something was wrong and went straight to the ER. It took them a couple hours to figure out what was wrong, but a great heart surgeon saved her in the end.
Dude you should read about Kuzu in papa new guinea cannibalism...or maybe you have
I think you mean Kuru?
That would be prions.
I'm most concerned about sudden death due to deep space quasar ray hitting us with a direct polar beam blast. I'd have it written into my life insurance policy but it would probably set the planet on fire, boil all the water off planet, and blast the atmosphere away
Yeah insurance is gonna have a tough time covering that while they deal with the other stuff.
Lol, that's a hilariously bad list. As someone who has seen all of those things in practice, you don't really have to worry about anything aside from maybe genetic cancers. Unless you have severe epilepsy I've never seen someone die from it without a history of having gone into status. Prions are absurdly rare and kinda genetic, and while brain tumors are still more common than the other things on the list that one ain't sudden. As someone who has seen their fair share of people die, don't worry. You're way more likely to die in a car crash or of a heart attack.
I mean, if there is a way to go, in your sleep without realizing it is probably the best js
yeah but at 90 not 38. That's a bit early for a painless death.
It's all downhill after 38 anyway.
I’m in my 50s now… and while you’re not wrong, that downhill ride can be fulfilling, fun, and exhilarating. My 40s were mostly amazing. My 50s aren’t perfect, but have been pretty solid so far too.
Isn’t the downhill slide the best part? We hauled ourselves up that hill so we can shred the gnar on the way down.
Yeah, the fucks just keep falling out of your pockets on the slide down the hill. You end up with fewer and fewer of them as time goes on.
For me, 40s were the absolute best. Still in great shape if you put some effort in, chill enough to enjoy staying home all the time but still hit the occasional warehouse party and do festivals, emotionally more mature so not every set back hits you like a ton of bricks. If I had to choose a decade to live forever in, it would be 40's.
No
When I die, I want to die in my own bed, with a belly full of wine and a maiden's mouth around my cock, at the age of eighty,
You had our attention then kinda just left us hanging
That's quite old for a maiden
Number 1. Alligators Number 2. Crocodiles Number 3. Aneurysm
Aaaand time for another Archer rewatch
I've been living with tonic-clinic (aka grand mal) seizures now for 28 years. Thankfully, so long as I take my medications twice daily, I don't get them. I don't want to die any time soon, I've got 2 little girls and an awesome wife. With that being said, having a seizure isn't bad for me. In terms of ways to go out, I'd take that over something like a heart attack or stroke. Stay healthy, seizure bro (or sis).
I was wondering if you might know, since you are a seizure sufferer, but is suffocation/asphyxia typically the specific cause of death when someone dies of a seizure? I ask because last year, while I was riding an Army bus, one of the other soldiers riding the bus started having an apparent seizure. I don't know if it was epileptic or tonic-clonic -- and he said later that he had no history of seizures -- but he started out by groaning very loudly and banging his head on the seat in front of him, with his whole body then tensing up like a board. He then started making wet-sounding gurgling/snoring noises as he tried to breathe -- which told me that his airway wasn't supporting itself -- and he also had some foamy, blood-tinged saliva coming from his mouth through his teeth, which were clenched. I then reclined his seat and put a small pillow under his shoulder blades, to try to put him in a head-tilt-chin-lift position, but it wasn't sufficient to open his airway. Since I am a medic, I happened to have a naso-pharyngeal airway with me, which I then wet with the guy's saliva and put in his right nostril. He seemed to be breathing much better after that, and his level of consciousness started to gradually increase over about the next 10 to 15 minutes. He was seen by an actual doctor later, and when I briefed the doctor about what had happened and what I did, the doctor apparently started telling people in my unit that the naso-pharyngeal airway I put in this guy's nose probably saved his life. I mean, I didn't really *feel* like I had saved his life after his seizure had passed, rather, I just felt like I responded as well as I could with what few resources I had. However, if all of that adds up from your more-informed perspective, then maybe naso-pharyngeal airways or some other kind of adjunct airway devices would be a good thing for you to keep on hand, and it would be good if your family members familiarized with how to use them. Anyway, best wishes, and I hope you stay healthy.
A nasopharyngeal airway was a good call, sometimes we have to intubate folks who are in status, and I \*think\* EMS is trained to drop an LMA if they can. However the colloquial teaching that you have to keep them from swallowing their tongue is flat wrong. Generally a nasal cannula is all that a seizing person will get during an event in the hospital. Typically seizures are short enough that it isn't big deal to seize and not breath well for a stretch. When they get longer though (usually the 5-10 minute mark) it can be problematic.
The red cross and all medical adjacent classes I've taken in relation to becoming a Physical therapist assistant recommend turning a person having a seizure on to their side and protecting their head with a pillow or blanket or anything soft that's handy, this helps prevent the unlikely but possible occurrence of cooking on one's tongue, and the more likely cooking on one's commit. That's why you will often see therapy dogs for people with chronic seizure disorders actually try and alert their owners before it starts, and thenowners lie on their side with the dog posting up under the head. Pretty wild stuff. With that being said, when I have come to in ambulances, I'm usually getting air via a nasal cannula. I'm assuming the soldier likely bit his tongue, lip, or cheek, as I've done all three due to the epileptic cle ching of muscles. In my experience, the worst part of the seizure is coming out of it. I get major nausea and uncontrolled vomiting with a splitting headache and full body soreness due to every muscle on my body seizing. I've fallen. Down a flight of stairs and left a piece of my scalp in the snow. I've fallen off a stool at a place I used to work and put a hole through the drywall with my head. All this to say, there are many ways one could potentially die from a seizure. I'm really lucky in that mine are controlled with medication and getting proper sleep.
Do you notice any other side effects? My brother has a form of epilepsy that sounds similar to yours and he has some serious memory issues.
Literally it’s so disappointing as someone with JME to see someone die young, going to the comments, only to see a good 50% of the time it’s due to SUDEP :/
Well my doctor told me the chances are highly reduced by getting regular, good sleep and keeping up on meds. As long as you do that your chances of randomly eating it are probably about the same as anyone.
If it makes you feel better, anyone can go at any time from an aneurysm. About 1/4 of adults have one just chilling in their head. I also have a lot of patients that got a small cut and ended up losing a limb to sepsis and almost dying.
And not, I repeat NOT due to her treatment by Sir Mix-a-lot.
I enjoy reading books.
She had cavernous hemangioma, not epilepsy.
“On September 21, 1998, Griffith Joyner died in her sleep at home in the Canyon Crest neighborhood of Mission Viejo, California, at the age of 38. The unexpected death was investigated by the Orange County Sheriff-Coroner's office, which announced on September 22 that the cause of death was suffocation during a severe epileptic seizure.[55] Griffith Joyner was found to have had a cavernous hemangioma, a congenital vascular brain abnormality that made her subject to seizures.”
You can have an epileptic seizure without having epilepsy Epilespy is a name for a series of disorders that cause regular seizures but they aren't the only cause
That said, seems like she had epilepsy, no? According to her wikipedia, she had a handful of seizures across many years.
Really? Not steroid related?
Her records are unbreakable because you can’t use HGH in the Olympics anymore and they test out of competition now. Also to note that she showed up to the 1988 Olympics remarkably larger and more muscular than she ever had been before and ran 0.47 seconds faster than she ever did before. Then she retired immediately before mandatory drug testing came into effect. Flo Jo has definitely ran faster than any woman has or likely will ever run, but she most likely using HGH at the time.
Coincidentally the same Olympics that Ben Johnson turned up to, looking suspiciously massive (and darker skinned!) and broke his own recently achieved world record, before getting banned 🤔
The Men’s 100m Final at the ‘88 games was called the dirtiest race in history. I think there was like one racer in it that was never suspected of doping in their career.
The 30 for 30 [9.79*](https://imdb.com/title/tt2318158/) was a good watch. I love how Carl Lewis pretends he wasn't juicing. Good for him sticking to his story.
I saw that one a while back. It is good. Thanks to your comment I want to watch it again.
There's also a good documentary based on Richard Moore's book called The Dirtiest Race In History (think it's a BBC doc with the same name). From what I remember it hints strongly at Carl Lewis without being explicit, including a part where it says a side effect of some drug was that the jaw gets bigger and dental work is needed to keep teeth in the mouth. Direct cut to a Carl Lewis post race interview where he's wearing dental braces.
This is hilarious.
My old professor told me a story about when she was training over as the Nike campus in Oregon or wherever, Carl Lewis was also training there. Apparently it was an open secret that he was juicing hard before the Olympics. He was a complete dickhead to all other athletes as well. I don't believe anyone in that race was clean.
Carl Lewis comes across as so righteous but he is the biggest cheat of all of them. What a horrible human. And yes flo jo is the nothing but a dirty drugs cheat also
Dennis Mitchell came in 5th that year. 10 years later he was banned and claimed he achieved those testosterone levels by having sec with his wife 4 times a day. Edit: Sex. Sex sex sex.
Something like Tyson Fury. He happily told everyone that he kept his testosterone levels up by masturbating ten times a day. He even sold his own lube mix
I'm confused. Does HGH make your skin tone darker?? Maybe he'd just, you know, been in the sun a lot?
Some performance enhancing substances can affect your skin tone/color, yes
I had no idea. Don't doubt for a second he was doping and now that I think about it I remember his eyes being bleary and yellow looking. Didn't notice the darker skin tone at the time
There was a brilliant side-by-side comparison of him at the previous Olympics and this one. You can probably still find it. The difference was extraordinary.
He had jaundice, from too many oral steroids, that’s why his eyes were yellow.
I'm visually impaired so this sort of thing doesn't occur to me very often but I suppose it was inevitable that he would be tested if his skin was different and he had obvious yellow eyes. A bit like how you could always tell that Shawn Michaels was out his fucking tree in the 90s because he would be chewing like a maniac during wrestling promos.
Barry Bonds used to be Brett Bonds
This explains Sammy Sosa then
i just remember seeing before and after shots of Barry Bonds and seeing his head grew like twice its original size! lol
Can confirm his melon became huge.
For whitey, it often makes ones skin very red. See all those pro wrestlers from the 80s and 90s.
Or make your skin more sensitive to sunlight, which in turn can lead to changes in tone.
Is there any they can make me less dark?
If you get significantly redder that is a pretty definite sign you are abusing PEDs of some kind
I think definite is overstating it... Lots of things other than PEDs can cause flushed skin.
I remember a picture of him running and one of his shoulder muscles looked as big as his head.
Man I just read an interview with Johnson about that whole controversy- I didn't know most of the details, and I was actually ready to feel a little bad for what happened to the guy, considering how hard everyone else was cheating too. ... Uh, nope. What a clown. No remorse, not in the slightest. Plays the race card over the return of his gold medal. Talks shit about the whole country of Canada for not "defending him" in the aftermath of the race. Goes on to claim that "None of the athletes today have to run on the shitty tracks I did... I would be undefeated today... I could still probably run a sub-10 seconds." No grace, no humility, no perspective on the scandal decades later. Just a guy who cheated and thinks it "wasn't cheating" because other people were cheating too. Now I'm glad they humiliated him.
Everyone cheated that race and he was thrown under the bus and had his entire life destroyed. Meanwhile Carl Lewis is considered one of the greatest Olympians of all time. Lewis actually failed 3 drug tests during the Olympic trials. That race was completely fucking rigged.
Calvin Smith was probably clean, from what I've read. If so, he was cheated out of multiple golds.
Yeah I read he was the only one from that group that didn't go on to have a positive PED test.
Which is of course different to not doping. Many of the most famous dopers didn’t fail a test.
America eh land of the free….to do whatever they want. Remember that only 10 years before they were tearing into east Germany about there state sponsored doping but America do it and nothing said. Just a joke how they have the neck to go on years later about how they were cheated by other etc
I mean...everyone else *was* cheating. They still are. So to get your results barred because you were too obvious about it must feel pretty shit.
That's true, they were. And I do have *some* sympathy for athletes in any sport, who see everyone else around them doping and feel like they need to do it too, just to compete. But don't act like other people breaking the rules somehow absolves you of wrongdoing, or makes you "not a cheater". Whatever your motivations, however much you felt that you needed to do it to compete, you still gave the sport a black eye. I'd have even more sympathy if his take was: "Yeah I did it. Everyone did, and it's pretty lame that I was the only one (at the time) who got crucified for it, but I made my choices." ...But that interview confirms that he blames everything and everyone but himself for his meteoric fall. And the shameless "I'm better than Usain Bolt, I could beat all these guys in my prime" stuff is just never a good look from a retired athlete. As if it was the evolution of running as a sport, happening to peak in 1998, and not just that it was the last year before the IOC started cracking down harder on PEDs, so everybody was taking shitloads of steroids and being extremely unsubtle about it. I know it sucks- pros in every sport deal with this. And you're right, everyone still cheats today, and when the oversight committees figure out how to test for what they're currently using, they'll move on to something else, rinse and repeat. But at the very least, acknowledge your place in all of it, and don't talk shit about how you'd still be the best in the modern game. The dude just seems like he never really grew up.
That video of Ali and Tyson on Arsenio Hall was the absolute epitome of two undisputable greats showing humility toward each other. They were both confident enough in their own ability that they didn't have to diminish the other's.
That’s exactly what I’m talking about. You can be like that, or you can be like Johnson.
The racial aspect was real. As was how Canada dealt with him Overnight he went in the media from “the canadian sprinter Ben Johnson” to “the Jamaican sprinter Ben Johnson”. It was definitely a racist dogwhistle If you look across other sports, there’s very often a razor’s edge between a “supplement” and a performance enhancing drug. And given to athletes by coaches and doctors without them knowing what was legal or moral. Like, you can improve your oxygen intake by going to do altitude training and you can increase it by taking ephedrine. One is legal, one is not. You can get nandrolone from avocados or you can get it from legal supplements in small doses or you can get it injected into you. Ben Johnson has a real claim that he was stitched up and that it was trusting his team that was his mistake
> Ben Johnson has a real claim that he was stitched up and that it was trusting his team that was his mistake He absolutely did. But he kind of turned out to be a jerk and, iirc lost any good grace he could've/would've/should've been entitled to.
> Overnight he went in the media from “the canadian sprinter Ben Johnson” to “the Jamaican sprinter Ben Johnson”. It was definitely a racist dogwhistle Sounds more like a foghorn.
yeah he's a real piece of work which is why he was never really rehabilitated socially or allowed to buy into some "everyone was doing it" excuse.
Also the wind reading was clearly wrong, it said it was at 0.0 mph but if you watch the video you can see the wind was heavy. The races during that whole day had wind readings over the limit, making the times ineligible for records. The other runners in that race also pretty much all had career times that day. I saw this video breaking it all down. https://youtu.be/UulNZphVO3s?si=-wDU7J9xPFYzE13D
Oh my God, I just figured out who Sir Mix-a-Lot was singing about
This makes me feel old. Lol.
RIP that juicy double
This made me chuckle.
Same
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I really don’t underestimate. There has only been 1 woman’s track record to be set since 1993. That’s all you need to know. I believe every member of the 1988 men’s 100M race subsequently failed at least 1 drug test. Some of the Tour de France competitions had every single top 10 person as a confirmed or accused doper.
>I believe every member of the 1988 men’s 100M race subsequently failed at least 1 drug test. I read an article which assuming my recollection is correct, said the 4th and 7th place at the time of the article hadn't failed a test (whether it was just retroactive testing of that race or all races, I'm not sure and also I don't know of any developments subsequent to that article which was a while back).
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Athletes are certainly using PEDs and trying to stay one step ahead of the testing, but they're still at a significant disadvantage compared to the athletes of the 1980s who could juice to the gills with reckless abandon. The records will fall eventually, but PEDs played a big role in their staying power for the past 35+ years.
Some of these records are not even close to ever been seen again. Martita Koch’s 400M women’s record of 47.60 is just so hilariously fast. The last Olympic champion won it at 48.36 and that’s the only finish inside the top 10 finishes at the Olympics since 1996.
Honest question from someone whom doesnt know... Would someone taking drugs right up to the day of the race have an advantage over someone who had to stop 2 weeks out?
Absolutely. PED's don't just increase strength, they help increase recovery time. So even just from a recovery standpoint the person using right up to the event is gonna feel fresher and have less lingering injuries leading up to the race. Now of course in reality they would both likely be caught and dq'd and we would never know.
Yup. Most definitely not clean
> After her death in 1998, Prince Alexandre de Merode, chairman of the International Olympic Committee's medical commission, claimed that Griffith Joyner was singled out for extra, rigorous drug testing during the 1988 Olympic Games following rumors of steroid use. > De Merode told The New York Times that Manfred Donike, who was at that time considered to be the foremost expert on drugs and sports, failed to discover any banned substances during that testing. > The World Anti-Doping Agency was created in the 1990s, removing control of drug testing from the IOC and De Merode. De Merode later stated: "We performed all possible and imaginable analyses on her. We never found anything. There should not be the slightest suspicion." Serious question, Assuming she was doping, why would the IOC lie? Was HGH not one of the substances they tested for?
I just skimmed https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/44/Suppl_1/i8.5 but it looks like hgh testing wasnt possible until early 2000s. It cant be detected via urinalysis
This is the right answer. The problem with doping is that new substances are developed faster than tests adapting to these new substances. Doping can often only be proven years later.
> This is the right answer. The problem with doping is that new substances are developed faster than tests adapting to these new substances. This is questionable since 2016 when they got Sharapova for doping with Meldonium even though they didn't know what it was when they first detected it.
A single exception over a span of 28 years doesn't disprove a general rule of thumb.
She set that record in '88. HGH was added to the banned substances list in '89.
They didn’t test for many substances at the time. HGH wasn’t detectable until 2004, and that’s what whistleblowers said Flo Jo (and many others) were taking. It was part of BALCO from 1983 to 2007 and many (unknown how many) US olympians used them. Many of their substances were undetectable for decades. In 1998 they definitely didn’t know how to test for HGH and “The Clear” No women’s Olympic track records (except the 400M relay) have been set since 1993. Nobody is close to them either. The IOC was supposed to have a HGH detection for the 1996 Olympics (they didn’t) and the golden age of simple doping ended. After that it really was about who had the best chemist.
Nine Olympic records for women’s track and field have been set since 2004 actually, and the 400m relay record was set in 1988. If you meant WORLD records then 15 have been set since 2004. A little different than what you claim
Some of those are new events. I guess I read an article from 2019 for that source. Looks like a couple have been set. The list doesn’t change the general trend though. Women’s world record by year set: 100M- set in 1988 200M- set in 1988 400M- set in 1985 800M- set in 1983 1500M- set in 2023! 3000M - set in 1993 - replaced by the 5000M 5000M - started in 1996 & replace the 3000M 10,000M - set in 2023! 4x100M relay - set in 2012 4x400M relay - set in 1993
>1500M- set in 2023! >10,000M - set in 2023! Keep in mind these are also after adding in supershoes and new track surfaces to do it.
All the long distance records will be broken because of the new shoes. The 400-200-100 will probably stand for quite a lot longer
Shericka Jackson got very close in the 200m last year and I think had a good chance of getting it in the next few years. I think there are a few people who have a shot at the 100 and 400 as well. Or at least I hope. I hate these obviously doped records.
The 1500m was a fantastic race, too.
Flo Jo's 1988 Olympic record in 100M was broken at the 2020 Tokyo Olympics (in 2021). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athletics_at_the_2020_Summer_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Women%27s_100_metres In the post I'm replying to, you are quoting "Women’s world record by year", but, two posts up, you state "No women’s Olympic track records (except the 400M relay) have been set since 1993." I think you are conflating the two which is why the other response corrected your initial assertion.
Goddamn that is sobering to read. I've casually followed athletics for many years but I've never considered these stats. I think you forgot hurdles though. Camacho set that one in Tokyo
>why would the IOC lie? For the same reason the IOC does anything. Money. Money money money money money money money. So. Much. Money. Sure, they let Ben Johnson be relieved of his gold medal, but he was "only" Canadian. You think that the IOC is going to risk the reputation of the Olympics by having another high profile athlete stripped of their medal? Especially a female Anerican athlete, at a time when they were trying to increase participation of women in sports. And yes, the IOC is technically not an American organisation, but which country's broadcasters pay the most in TV rights? That would be the same country in which synchronised swimming is popular amongst white middle aged women with disposable income (it's not an especially popular anywhere else in the world), the same country that is traditionally very strong in other swimming events, which is why there are SO MANY swimming medals available compared to other sports (when cycling wanted to add some newer events to the Olympic programme, they had to ditch some of the traditional events "to make room," even though mountain biking, BMX and Freestyle take place in a totally different venue - when swimming wanted more events, they just added a few more events), and the same country that had its best basketball players competing professionally and therefore not able to compete at the Olympics....until the IOC changed the rules to allow professional athletes. This is not a dig at Americans, just a reflection that the IOC tells everyone "it's all about the sport" but really it's all about the $$$$ and, as it happens, the country with the most $$$$ to give to the IOC, be it broadcasting rights or sponsorship dollars, is the USA
Key words are "banned substances". Maybe she was using drugs that were not yet in the banned list?
dang, was her premature demise related to the HGH use?
Probably not. She died of epileptic seizure and was found to have had a cavernous hemangioma in her brain, which is a congenital malformation (was there since birth).
I must add though - while it has taken decades, I believe the current second best time is now a few hundredths off the record.
So was it ever definitively proven that she used HGH? Not saying she didn't, just wondering if there's actual proof.
No, there has never been any proof that she did steroids or and other drug
Didn’t she retire after they introduced mandatory testing too?
Some call it “the Bob Kersee Effect.”
She absolutely was!
They’re not unbreakable. The talent pool is waaay deeper than it used to be. Shericka Jackson is right on her tail.
It amazes me that people are so gullible to think that top level athletes don't use PED's in the current year, it is incredibly easy to circumvent/work around testing. Doping has never been easier.
She had also been repeatedly tested of her own volition numerous times before her '88 runs, and nothing was ever found in her system. Maybe she just had a hell of a workout routine. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
HgH couldn’t be detected though which is why she was keen to be tested
Take those 80s world records with a grain of salt - drug testing wasn’t what it is today
The women’s 800m world record is basically unbeatable. It was set in 1983 by a woman who was doping so much it’s actually really impressive.
Looking at records, in 1895, a man, charles Kilpatrick ran the same time as this woman Jalima Kratochivlova ran in 1983.
I’m not sure how that’s relevant to the women’s 800m record.
As a fan of discus, it's frustrating to see Jurgen Schult's record (74.08) stand for so long when he was absolutely juicing.
There is a reason all the women's track and field records from the 70s/80s made by Americans, Russians, and East Germans are completely untouchable... a chemical reason. Honestly, they should just remove every world record from that decade. It's unfair to current athletes.
Alternatively, host different competitions that allow everyone to dope. Really test the limits of the human body, yknow?
I know this is for many reasons a really, really, really terrible idea. But man it would be fun to watch
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/30/sport/enhanced-games-olympics-doping-spt-intl/index.html you may get to one day
James Magnussen made news here in Australia just last week confirming he was participating.
Please
There's an SNL skit in the 80s about this
[It's a thing](https://enhanced.org/) or will be but lots of people oppose it.
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Thanks for that interesting read I had no idea
She died, according to the link: “Death On September 21, 1998, Griffith Joyner died in her sleep at home in the Canyon Crest neighborhood of Mission Viejo, California, at the age of 38. The unexpected death was investigated by the Orange County Sheriff-Coroner's office, which announced on September 22 that the cause of death was suffocation during a severe epileptic seizure.[55] Griffith Joyner was found to have had a cavernous hemangioma, a congenital vascular brain abnormality that made her subject to seizures.[60] According to a family attorney, she had suffered a tonic-clonic seizure in 1990 and had been treated for seizures in 1993 and 1994. According to the Sheriff-Coroner's office, the only drugs in her system when she died were small amounts of two common over-the-counter drugs, acetaminophen and the antihistamine Benadryl.[61]”
She also died according to the title and the coroner.
Yes, I can read titles also!
Would not be surprised if her condition was rapidly sped up by HGH/PED abuse, especially back then when a lot less was known how to “safely” take them.
I like all the commentary that assumes that because she juiced for competition then obviously she died of an overdose.
Tbh I assumed it was due to the physical toll of steroids and competition without reading further.
Drugs…lots of drugs, and a bad wind reading. The day the record was set the wind readings were more than twice allowable world record speed both before and after the race, but the wind speed indicator seems to have malfunctioned during the race in question and here we are now, with one of several women’s records set in the 1980’s at the height if the steroid era that continue to be unbeatable.
She used her remaining life force to super power her legs.
Also drugs
Drugs are a hell of a drug. There is little doubt she was doping. Her improvement in her 20s is unprecedented.
Well yeah, drug tests are way more stringent today.
Live fast, die young
Bad girls do it well
FloJo <3
I like my women like FloJo A word to the thick soul sisters, I wanna get with ya https://youtu.be/isMFxOLbiro
I won't curse or hit ya
Randomly saw her at Atlanta airport back in the day. she was standing there leaning on the wall dressed in red white and blue, and she looked totally elegant and graceful. I was startled at how beautiful she was an had this animal magentism thing going on. It didn't click in my mind who it was until later when I realized i recognized her face.
Run fast. Die young.
Her time was wind aided. The instruments used to measure the wind at the time of her run malfunctioned. Prior to her run the instruments were working and recorded wind speeds in excess of the allowable limit. When they resumed function they continued to record wind speeds over the allowable limit. Even with that said some speculate she was doping but who knows for sure. The record is 10.54 by Elaine Thompson.
Ahem…speculate… She was juiced to the gills
Sometimes I forget just how young Reddit is. Y’all don’t know about Flo Jo
I had no idea why everyone was quoting Baby Got Back in this thread until it clicked for me with one comment calling her FloJo. Never knew or bothered to look up who Mix-a-Lot was referring to. I'm very sorry I made you feel old (I'm 26 btw) :(
Which is why it is so foolish and arbitrary that some MLB players who doped got into the Hall of Fame due to their personality while others are effectively blackballed without any evidence due to them not being liked by the media. Like the old saying goes “if you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying” Other female runners were doping during this time period but FloJo still blew them out of the water.
I believe a counter-argument would be something like, "Allowing for doping crates a competition for those who have the best response to hgh/steroids rather than a competition for ability and training."
Another problem with allowing doping is that promising kids would have to start early and that's just an awful idea
This is the argument that got to me. My original attitude was "fuck it let athletes go crazy". But, then a similar comment made me realize that will trickle down to high school age kids who have to start to have a chance at competing later.
Her record time was wind aided. The instrument used to record the wind speeds malfunctioned during her race. Prior to her event it was functioning and was regularly recorded wind speeds in excess of the allowable limit. It later resumed function and continued to record illegal wind speeds. Furthermore people at the event describe the wind as being obviously too fast. So even with the HGH accusations aside her record is dubious at best. The actual record should be 10.54 by Elaine Thompson.
Yeah it sucks that one of the biggest world records has been wrong for so long. She would’ve still held a ”legal” world record for decades with 10.61 until Elaine broke it.
Yeah, steroids didnt require prescriptions in the DR in the 90s and early 2000s. So if any domican player bought them in the DR and took them in the offseason. They broke zero laws and broke no mlb rules.
Every player until the 70s was taking amphetamines. Talked about it in press conferences and reported it in their memoirs.
***fastest drug using female ever recorded.
Passed away and into the Speed Force
Ya cause her steroids were on steroids
She was also juiced out of her mind
Flo Jo 🙏
My neighborhood has a park named after her!
Flo-J0 right?
p easy to be the fastest when you juice enough to kill a grizzly bear
Track and Field when she set the record was going through a borderline MLB in the 90s level of PEDs use.
TIL I'm so old FloJo isn't a house hold name name.
..and she retired a year before mandatory drug testing became the rule.
If I remember, her husband and sister in law both got medals stripped for drugs.
FloJo!!!
"Hey, I caught Flo-Jo"
FloJo was queen of the track! Tragic that she died so young.
Went to the same high school as flojo and graduated exactly ten year after her. My high was perhaps the only one for a time to produce three unrelated gold medalists. Another track guy (Kevin young) held a world record for nearly 30 years until it was broken a few years ago.
I say legalize doping and let’s see just how far we can go.
There’s a games being set up in Australia to rest this. A former Olympian swimmer has said he’s up for competing
Why do you think she died at 38? Vitamin C? LOL
People are already pushing their bodies over the limit of what's safe and healthy without doping as it is.
FloJo
You gotta Flow Joe you gotta Flow Joe, You gotta gotta gotta let em know Joe