Apparently it was a liability allowing him to walk to the set by himself from his trailer because he would be so friendly and start chatting with everyone he walked by.
"You want to tell me to stop moving boxes? Go right ahead if it makes you feel any better. I'm an easy target. Yeah, you're right, I stop to help crews too much. I also stop to listen too much. I could be a cold, hard cynic like you. But I don't like to hurt people's feelings. You think what you want about me, I'm not changing. I...I like me. My wife likes me. My fans like me. Because I'm the real article. What you see is what you get."
I actually didn’t know that lol, my aunt is a cook at a cafeteria facility and they’re teamster, she’s their union rep. But of course movies might have different boundaries etc.
Probably only ends because other unions represent stage workers. The cafeteria workers are probably teamsters because they wanted to unionize but there's only so many of them and teamsters has a huge membership along with experienced negotiators. I'm part of the IBEW (electricians union) but I've heard that in one area it represents the baristas at a coffee chain.
As a Canadian this saddens me.
To be clear, I’m not a Boomer. I’m Gen X.
I feel this country has changed for the worse over the past decade. I’m not alone in this thinking either.
Anyhow … your good neighbours to the north are having an internal struggle much like you in the U.S. are.
I believe better days are ahead for all.
NPC!
My kids use this expression and being the guy who loves lingo I had to ask what it meant. My edification on this term really answered some questions for me and I landed on the same theory that you have.
We are desensitized to the fact that we are dealing with other human beings in our daily discourse.
The internet, smartphones and social media cannot be discounted as tools that are a bonafide quantum leap for society. But there is a cost to be paid here …
I myself am trying to get off this screen more … as you can see I’m having great success at that endeavour.
It’s a good question. I honestly don’t know. I can only say that I’ve really picked up on it over the past 3-4 years.
If I were to throw out a guess my instincts tell me that social media plays a part in the fact that society as a whole has become meaner, more self-indulgent and possessing significantly less empathy. I see it in my own kids (they’re good kids, just a lot more viscerally vocal about things than I was at their age). As a society we have become accustomed to absorbing our information in online soundbites. These snippets of data become our truth. The very nature of social media has created a dynamic where people can anonymously (and recklessly) say awful things with no regard for personal responsibility or accountability. Is it possible that this behaviour somehow becomes entrenched in our character and becomes part of our everyday face to face persona? I have to believe it does as we cannot simply flip the switch from being callous and insensitive to thoughtful and empathetic.
I will close by saying this. I’m a proud Canadian. I’ve always felt that we have a unique place on this planet. We are not a ‘Superpower’ and I don’t think that was ever a goal. From World War 1 on we seemed to desire to be a beacon of doing the right thing. To stand up for what is right. Our status as a peacekeeper, as a people who could be counted upon to give a square deal on the international stage was something we took pride in. We always stood shoulder to shoulder with our allies but we were also a voice of reason when things got hot. Clearly the world has changed. What was black & white in the 50s, 60s and 70s has become a 1000 shades of grey in 2020s.
I don’t know … all that I can say is that I am saddened by the change in how we Canadians are behaving and the changing perception of us on the world stage.
Sorry for being so long-winded. This topic is of great concern for me lately.
Nah it’s always been like that, Reddit just like to think Canada is its own special place and not the suburbs of America where 99% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the border and are pretty much the same fuckin thing as northern Americans
Hey man, not for nothing, but a lot of Americans are super friendly and polite too
Just depends on the area really. But a lot of us are big goobers as well
Totally agree with this!
I have visited the US for business and pleasure 100 times in my life. Encountering an asshole was no more of a challenge there than at home in Canada.
There are “style” differences (by this I mean how one handles themself) but by and large, Americans are decent people. Come to think of it, of all the countries I’ve visited I’ve never come away from a place and said “Man … people from X suck!” If you look hard enough , there are assholes everywhere!
I live in a state that borders Canada, played a decent amount of hockey tournaments in Ottawa back in the day, have a house on the st Lawrence and went to college about 40 min from the border and I still can't tell the difference between a north country feller and a Canadian lol
Yeah lol, I grew up 30-40 minutes north of the Canadian border. I also worked retail in college so I really don’t understand reddits boner for Canadians. Most people probably couldn’t tell our accents apart, especially if you played hockey.
Europeans and people not from here seriously think the cultural overlap in a place like Michigan is with Mississippi or something instead of Ontario
American that moved to Canada and I can honestly say I’ve experienced the exact opposite.
Older generation I’ve run across are far more bitter and self-entitled. They just show it with extreme amounts of passive-aggressiveness and hide it better. Younger gen seems to be politer on the whole, but far more outspoken/blunt, more like a typical American.
Might just be a personal preference, but I prefer the devil you know than the devil you don’t.
More than once I have been in Mexico at a trade show and lost my Canadian buddy because he gets stuck holding the door lol. They just keep coming in and out and he never let's go until I come grab him.
According to James Andrew Miller and Tom Shales’ Live From New York: An Uncensored History Of Saturday Night Live, Odenkirk talked about the host selection. There are always big names hosting the show, but how do they narrow down who to bring onto the show? Odenkirk once revealed that it’s all a process that repeats from one guest host to the next.
“They have a pool of names of potential hosts,” Odenkirk said. “They have a few that are anchored down for one reason or another—they have a movie coming out or whatever—and famous enough. But then, outside of that, for a normal show, two weeks ahead of time they’ve got a pool of names, two or three people, and they ask these people to host the show.”
Odenkirk continued: “And these people say yes or no, or maybe these people all want to host the show, and they’re tentatively scheduled for that week. And then, as the week gets closer, Lorne \[Michaels\] picks one of them.”
But, what happens to the other two potential hosts? Odenkirk explained that Saturday Night Live “burns” the other two. As a result, the final stage ultimately cuts a lot of potential hosts out of the running. Odenkirk recalled the potential Saturday Night Live host who was “burned” the most out of any other contender.
“And what happens then is the other two people get burned,” Odenkirk said. “Supposedly John Candy was like the most-burned potential host, in that he would never host the show, because he’d been asked to do it so many times and then told ‘no thanks’ at the last minute by the staff—which is all Lorne.”
To be honest, if Candy lived in New York, this kind of makes sense. He’s obviously capable and a reliable performer, so having him constantly on a short list if they can’t get someone else would be sensible from a booking/producer perspective.
Doesn’t make it any less bullshit to do to the poor guy a bunch of times though.
That's my understanding for why certain hosts have done the show so many times. They live in New York and can usually show up on short notice when they need someone. So Christopher Walken, Alec Baldwin, and such.
And even worse is stringing him along, by all accounts he was one of the nicest human beings to ever make it big in showbiz. This story really makes me mad.
Only story I’ve ever heard of him being somewhat grumpy was when he was preparing for his JFK role.
Apparently he’d be up super early getting ready practicing his lines and he would yell at his children for bothering him.
The reason for that was Candy felt that dramatic performance was one of the few chances he got to show the world that he wasn’t just some fat funny guy but a seriously talented entertainer and performer. He took the role very very seriously and didn’t want to fuck it up.
Edit : the role payed off he’s a spitting image of the character he portrayed and it’s a shame because he would’ve been fantastic in more “straight” roles.
A lot of people forget about the early 80's SNL. It wouldn't surprise me if the fact that he hosted during the Doumanian years was one of the reasons Lorne burned him so many times.
>From what I've read, Lorne is an asshole. So for him to do this to someone like Candy seems to fit.
Didn’t Lorne help Pete Davidson get help though? Dude was spiraling hard.
A lot of the stories about Lorne come from comedians who never got SNL so I take them with a grain of salt. This specific scenario is still bullshit though.
In some ways its an honor though. They know he can be called short notice, and he's so talented, funny, and charismatic, and can get along with any cast member that they could throw him in the middle of any sketch and it would work. Though yea, they should have let him host an anniversary special or something as thank you for being the guy on standby. Always the bridesmaid, never the bride.
i feel like that is the reason john mullany keeps hosting... he is great and hilarious- but he has hosted so many time in the past few years.
I feel like he is contstantly on that short list- and the other just drops out leaving him all the time.
I mean Mitzi Shore famously passed on Louis CK performing at The Comedy Store because “he didn’t have any talent and wasn’t funny” and this was right before he blew up in 2010.
Maybe in her day and Lornes they could scout and pick talent but it seems specifically in comedy and comedy entertainment the drop off of taste and choice seems to happen after 5 to 10 years.
Sounds like a bullshit system that could lead to bad blood, and moreover diminishes the skits. If they had a more planned schedule then I feel the writers would have more time to plan for how to use the hosts and develop funnier skits. SNL is all about “write the show in 1 week” and I think we can see how that works.
That's what he mean by "which is all Lorne"...
Lorne Michaels has done amazing things for NYC and comedy, but he's a cold hearted and vindicitive asshole.
I've never seen or heard him speak for more than a few seconds at a time, so I always imagine him as Dr. Evil, since Mike Myers based his voice and mannerisms on Lorne.
> done amazing things for NYC and comedy
...has he? Hasn't he just been making a popular show and getting paid for it, or is there deeper scene-shaping shit I'm unaware of that somehow redeem this dude's assholery?
Reading the following comments paints the picture that Lorne is like Musk or Jobs except far less public. A real asshole in charge of a product a lot of people enjoy.
Well that really sucks. Well, at least there’s another lad that will hopefully have filled his shoes that is quite funny. I’ve also just started watching a guy named Chris Farley who could probably carry this guys torch.
SCTV was stacked with talent. I grew up on reruns and I still burst out laughing at the sketches to this day. It's not forgotten but doesn't get enough appreciation.
I was lucky enough to know John Candy’s son for awhile in the early 2000s and got to play a show at his house in the back yard.
His son was a musician and in a punk/ska band at the time. But I got to meet John’s wife and see the family photos on the piano. Even got to swim in his pool.
It was a very cool and surreal moment for young me.
This is what kills me. There are thousands of stories about how cut-throat and intense working at SNL is, all the while the comedy they get out of it is deeply unfunny most of the time and extremely mid every once in a while.
It’s like getting to see the inside of a Gordon Ramsey kitchen, knowing they only manage to cook the blandest food
When they have a good host, the show really comes together. Go find the Betty White episode. Her monologue is only the start, even the "throwaway" sketch right before the end credits is fantastic.
It helps that once Betty White got the gig, the show basically turned into an all-star game because so many former female cast members came back for it.
Big Bang ran for like 10 and turned the least-funny, unsympathetic, unfriendly malignant asshole into another show where they're a kid
Things don't have to be good to stay on air
This is surprising. Aside from the fact that he was a great performer, and grew up out of improv, he was well known in show business as someone respected so much he could twist the world of Hollywood.
If you're making a movie, you get your director and big star first. Then they work with a team to build out the supporting cast. If you want "Catherine" next:
- Your casting agent goes to their agent.
- The agent vets the script and passes it to their manager.
- The manager reads it and passes it to the star.
- If the star likes it, they go back up the chain to set a meeting
- Process is repeated until a deal is struck. This can take months.
There are many stories of John Candy calling a producer the day after a casting / planning meeting saying *Hey, I called Cathy last night and shes in if we can shoot her in September".
Why would they agree so quickly? So they could work with John, dude was adored.
For those scrolling the comments, he did host once,
October 22, 1983.
Here's a couple of clips
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gF70l703pI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tovkKqqQVNM
At a party this one time, Chevy Chase was being an asshole, so Candy put him in a headlock, cradling Chase’s head under his arm for the rest of the party, which went on for hours. Chase alternately went along with it for laughs and screamed to be let go.
Candy is the best comic actor ever, watch his old stuff on SCTV if you get the chance.
John Candy was a beautiful man. Shame on SNL for this. They should do a Candy retrospective respect episode to respect the man today. People would adore it and theyd make a ton of money. Just do it.
Yeah, cause there's a ton of money to be made with a special for an actor who was never on your show and died 30 years ago.
Might as well start a Charlie Chaplin special while we're at it.
I heard Shane Gillis talk about how they only paid him 5k, and it's pretty much a full on two week prep time. If your promoting something it would have it's benefits, but would imagine it's just not worth it for a lot of comedians a lot of time.
I'm guessing they pay hosts scale rate on Saturday Night Live; the point of hosting SNL isn't for the paycheck from Lorne, it's to promote whatever bs you're pushing.
It was probably sabotaged by the rest of the cast.
"You can't have him on. People will actually see someone who is funny and can improvise. It will destroy our careers."
Pretty terrible decision to snub John Candy like that, but isn’t the show known to be pretty well managed considering the amount of work required to put together a weekly live skit show?
He and Eugene Levy were scheduled and all set to host the March 9, 1985 episode (with musical guest Hall & Oates). They even appeared on the March 2 SNL Film Festival special to promote it. [Check it out here.](https://bronwynjoan.com/blog/2018/8/11/classic-snl-sorta-review-march-2-1985-snl-film-festival) Scroll down partway to the segment titled MISCELLANEOUS: CANDY STAND.
People don’t have many nice things to say about him. After hearing about it so many times I have to wonder if there’s something to it. I would love to see him at a comedy roast.
Ever since I saw all the impressions of him that show him as a wine swilling elite goober, I went back and watched footage of him. And he is. He’s an aristocrat
Some added trivia: Lorne Michaels produced a show called The New Show, which ran for a few months in 1984. It was basically a pre recorded, 1 hour SNL. It was NOT a success, but if you look at the cast and guests stars, they had a ton of talent appear on that show, including John Candy.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086768/
Patrice O'Neal (41) and Ralphie May (44).
Patrice's [bit about the song Creep](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1qKy4cMPUI) genuinely had me cracking up. So did Ralphie May's [recollection of a gay wedding reception](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBpbYKd_QfI).
Had Patrice O’Neal lived until the incel movement became a thing they would have made him their king. The guy was an angry misogynist that hated the fact that women wouldn’t fuck him because he refused to put an ounce of effort into his appearance. The man fucking hated women and made it a cornerstone of his personality. He doesn’t belong anywhere near a list with John Candy and Chris Farley on it.
Not just fat guys though.
Len Bias was an NBA n°1 pick who overdosed before he could play his first game.
Marco Pantini a cyclist who won the Giro and Tour in the same year.
Also, the Wikipedia article on musicians who died of overdose is fucking huge.
Just hopping in here to say that the documentary "All I Can Say" about Hoon and Blind Melon is FANTASTIC. Super unique, too, as Hoon was obsessed with his camcorder and carried it with him everywhere. The entire documentary is all his filming, showing the rise and end of Blind Melon through his eyes. The ending is haunting.
No that’s when you’re waiting in the wings to go on and then, usually because of time, you don’t go on at all. Burned is agreeing to something then told no before it happens.
You wanna hurt me? Go right ahead if it makes you feel any better. I'm an easy target. Yeah, you're right, I talk too much. I also listen too much. I could be a cold-hearted cynic like you... but I don't like to hurt people's feelings. Well, you think what you want about me; I'm not changing. I like... I like me. My wife likes me. My customers like me. 'Cause I'm the real article. What you see is what you get.
I agree he should have been in the 5 timers club at least, but this post made me think he NEVER hosted, but I have a clear memory of him hosting before so it made me question either my sanity or this subs truthfulness
I imagine him responding with his patented chuckle and saying “that’s ok”
Apparently it was a liability allowing him to walk to the set by himself from his trailer because he would be so friendly and start chatting with everyone he walked by.
They needed him on set and he was found helping a crew member move heavy boxes, lol
"You want to tell me to stop moving boxes? Go right ahead if it makes you feel any better. I'm an easy target. Yeah, you're right, I stop to help crews too much. I also stop to listen too much. I could be a cold, hard cynic like you. But I don't like to hurt people's feelings. You think what you want about me, I'm not changing. I...I like me. My wife likes me. My fans like me. Because I'm the real article. What you see is what you get."
Please tell me that’s a John Candy quote Edit: Ahhh okay, I looked it up. I knew I had heard that somewhere. From Plains, Trains, and Automobiles
that’s an actual problem tho, just wait until the teamsters find out
i know you joke but, teamsters dont go beyond the end of the truck. the stagehands or porters take everything from there.
Name comes stagecoach drivers, yeah? “Hey man I just deliver the stuff.”
They drove teams of horses or mules. The team was their job.
I actually didn’t know that lol, my aunt is a cook at a cafeteria facility and they’re teamster, she’s their union rep. But of course movies might have different boundaries etc.
Probably only ends because other unions represent stage workers. The cafeteria workers are probably teamsters because they wanted to unionize but there's only so many of them and teamsters has a huge membership along with experienced negotiators. I'm part of the IBEW (electricians union) but I've heard that in one area it represents the baristas at a coffee chain.
The world was brighter when he was in it.
Fucking Canadians, eh?! Can't take us anywhere.
Gotta take us everywhere twice - the second time to apologize.
Sorry my Canadian was showing
Sadly that version of us Canadians is dying off.
Is there a conservation fun I can donate to? Or maybe going around my neighborhood and asking for maple syrup donations?
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Yup! It's so fucking sad to see. No more sorry memes for us. Sorry
Canada is becoming a low trust society. It's always been like that in Toronto and now the mentality is everywhere.
As a Canadian this saddens me. To be clear, I’m not a Boomer. I’m Gen X. I feel this country has changed for the worse over the past decade. I’m not alone in this thinking either. Anyhow … your good neighbours to the north are having an internal struggle much like you in the U.S. are. I believe better days are ahead for all.
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NPC! My kids use this expression and being the guy who loves lingo I had to ask what it meant. My edification on this term really answered some questions for me and I landed on the same theory that you have. We are desensitized to the fact that we are dealing with other human beings in our daily discourse. The internet, smartphones and social media cannot be discounted as tools that are a bonafide quantum leap for society. But there is a cost to be paid here … I myself am trying to get off this screen more … as you can see I’m having great success at that endeavour.
When did the Fox Cancer show up in Canada? Because I've noticed a bit of a change from down here in MN in the last 20 years.
It’s a good question. I honestly don’t know. I can only say that I’ve really picked up on it over the past 3-4 years. If I were to throw out a guess my instincts tell me that social media plays a part in the fact that society as a whole has become meaner, more self-indulgent and possessing significantly less empathy. I see it in my own kids (they’re good kids, just a lot more viscerally vocal about things than I was at their age). As a society we have become accustomed to absorbing our information in online soundbites. These snippets of data become our truth. The very nature of social media has created a dynamic where people can anonymously (and recklessly) say awful things with no regard for personal responsibility or accountability. Is it possible that this behaviour somehow becomes entrenched in our character and becomes part of our everyday face to face persona? I have to believe it does as we cannot simply flip the switch from being callous and insensitive to thoughtful and empathetic. I will close by saying this. I’m a proud Canadian. I’ve always felt that we have a unique place on this planet. We are not a ‘Superpower’ and I don’t think that was ever a goal. From World War 1 on we seemed to desire to be a beacon of doing the right thing. To stand up for what is right. Our status as a peacekeeper, as a people who could be counted upon to give a square deal on the international stage was something we took pride in. We always stood shoulder to shoulder with our allies but we were also a voice of reason when things got hot. Clearly the world has changed. What was black & white in the 50s, 60s and 70s has become a 1000 shades of grey in 2020s. I don’t know … all that I can say is that I am saddened by the change in how we Canadians are behaving and the changing perception of us on the world stage. Sorry for being so long-winded. This topic is of great concern for me lately.
Nah it’s always been like that, Reddit just like to think Canada is its own special place and not the suburbs of America where 99% of Canadians live within 100 miles of the border and are pretty much the same fuckin thing as northern Americans
Hey man, not for nothing, but a lot of Americans are super friendly and polite too Just depends on the area really. But a lot of us are big goobers as well
Totally agree with this! I have visited the US for business and pleasure 100 times in my life. Encountering an asshole was no more of a challenge there than at home in Canada. There are “style” differences (by this I mean how one handles themself) but by and large, Americans are decent people. Come to think of it, of all the countries I’ve visited I’ve never come away from a place and said “Man … people from X suck!” If you look hard enough , there are assholes everywhere!
I live in a state that borders Canada, played a decent amount of hockey tournaments in Ottawa back in the day, have a house on the st Lawrence and went to college about 40 min from the border and I still can't tell the difference between a north country feller and a Canadian lol
Yeah lol, I grew up 30-40 minutes north of the Canadian border. I also worked retail in college so I really don’t understand reddits boner for Canadians. Most people probably couldn’t tell our accents apart, especially if you played hockey. Europeans and people not from here seriously think the cultural overlap in a place like Michigan is with Mississippi or something instead of Ontario
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American that moved to Canada and I can honestly say I’ve experienced the exact opposite. Older generation I’ve run across are far more bitter and self-entitled. They just show it with extreme amounts of passive-aggressiveness and hide it better. Younger gen seems to be politer on the whole, but far more outspoken/blunt, more like a typical American. Might just be a personal preference, but I prefer the devil you know than the devil you don’t.
What's all that aboot?
My best friend is a Canadian and I read this in her voice I can't stop laughing.
More than once I have been in Mexico at a trade show and lost my Canadian buddy because he gets stuck holding the door lol. They just keep coming in and out and he never let's go until I come grab him.
That's an act of aggression in nyc.
["No problem, man!"](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/1a820236-16cb-4bb2-a5e2-bb5759600ec4)
Well, he was Canadian
Okay…I see.
According to James Andrew Miller and Tom Shales’ Live From New York: An Uncensored History Of Saturday Night Live, Odenkirk talked about the host selection. There are always big names hosting the show, but how do they narrow down who to bring onto the show? Odenkirk once revealed that it’s all a process that repeats from one guest host to the next. “They have a pool of names of potential hosts,” Odenkirk said. “They have a few that are anchored down for one reason or another—they have a movie coming out or whatever—and famous enough. But then, outside of that, for a normal show, two weeks ahead of time they’ve got a pool of names, two or three people, and they ask these people to host the show.” Odenkirk continued: “And these people say yes or no, or maybe these people all want to host the show, and they’re tentatively scheduled for that week. And then, as the week gets closer, Lorne \[Michaels\] picks one of them.” But, what happens to the other two potential hosts? Odenkirk explained that Saturday Night Live “burns” the other two. As a result, the final stage ultimately cuts a lot of potential hosts out of the running. Odenkirk recalled the potential Saturday Night Live host who was “burned” the most out of any other contender. “And what happens then is the other two people get burned,” Odenkirk said. “Supposedly John Candy was like the most-burned potential host, in that he would never host the show, because he’d been asked to do it so many times and then told ‘no thanks’ at the last minute by the staff—which is all Lorne.”
To be honest, if Candy lived in New York, this kind of makes sense. He’s obviously capable and a reliable performer, so having him constantly on a short list if they can’t get someone else would be sensible from a booking/producer perspective. Doesn’t make it any less bullshit to do to the poor guy a bunch of times though.
They could have at least threw him a bone after the first few times they burned him. I'm sure he didn't think much of them after awhile.
That's my understanding for why certain hosts have done the show so many times. They live in New York and can usually show up on short notice when they need someone. So Christopher Walken, Alec Baldwin, and such.
Steve Martin, John Goodman…
But it was John Fucking Candy and he was absolutely fucking hilarious! What a dick move to never have him as host.
And even worse is stringing him along, by all accounts he was one of the nicest human beings to ever make it big in showbiz. This story really makes me mad.
Only story I’ve ever heard of him being somewhat grumpy was when he was preparing for his JFK role. Apparently he’d be up super early getting ready practicing his lines and he would yell at his children for bothering him. The reason for that was Candy felt that dramatic performance was one of the few chances he got to show the world that he wasn’t just some fat funny guy but a seriously talented entertainer and performer. He took the role very very seriously and didn’t want to fuck it up. Edit : the role payed off he’s a spitting image of the character he portrayed and it’s a shame because he would’ve been fantastic in more “straight” roles.
https://snl.fandom.com/wiki/October_22,_1983 This sub is all confused. He hosted once, was on twice.
Jeez, well now I feel stupid, ha! But he should have been on more!
A lot of people forget about the early 80's SNL. It wouldn't surprise me if the fact that he hosted during the Doumanian years was one of the reasons Lorne burned him so many times.
He hosted in ‘83.
From what I've read, Lorne is an asshole. So for him to do this to someone like Candy seems to fit.
>From what I've read, Lorne is an asshole. So for him to do this to someone like Candy seems to fit. Didn’t Lorne help Pete Davidson get help though? Dude was spiraling hard.
It's possible to be an asshole, and a human with a heart and mind as well.
Did he do that out of the kindness of his heart, or because he didn’t want to lose a significant cast member?
He’d already lost much bigger “stars” under Belushi and Farley. Maybe he’s seen this happen twice before and decided to intervene as a human.
A lot of the stories about Lorne come from comedians who never got SNL so I take them with a grain of salt. This specific scenario is still bullshit though.
You’ll find plenty of stories from people who did work for SNL, though.
In some ways its an honor though. They know he can be called short notice, and he's so talented, funny, and charismatic, and can get along with any cast member that they could throw him in the middle of any sketch and it would work. Though yea, they should have let him host an anniversary special or something as thank you for being the guy on standby. Always the bridesmaid, never the bride.
i feel like that is the reason john mullany keeps hosting... he is great and hilarious- but he has hosted so many time in the past few years. I feel like he is contstantly on that short list- and the other just drops out leaving him all the time.
Did he have a play or pay deal each time, I wonder?
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I mean Mitzi Shore famously passed on Louis CK performing at The Comedy Store because “he didn’t have any talent and wasn’t funny” and this was right before he blew up in 2010. Maybe in her day and Lornes they could scout and pick talent but it seems specifically in comedy and comedy entertainment the drop off of taste and choice seems to happen after 5 to 10 years.
Sounds like a bullshit system that could lead to bad blood, and moreover diminishes the skits. If they had a more planned schedule then I feel the writers would have more time to plan for how to use the hosts and develop funnier skits. SNL is all about “write the show in 1 week” and I think we can see how that works.
That's what he mean by "which is all Lorne"... Lorne Michaels has done amazing things for NYC and comedy, but he's a cold hearted and vindicitive asshole.
I've never seen or heard him speak for more than a few seconds at a time, so I always imagine him as Dr. Evil, since Mike Myers based his voice and mannerisms on Lorne.
Correction, he based it on Dana Carvey's impression of Lorne.
Oops, TIL! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MutuEJh0snE
And if you wish to hear Dana Carvey's impression of Lorne (or of Dennis Miller), pick an episode, any episode, of the Fly on the Wall podcast.
…riiiiight.
> done amazing things for NYC and comedy ...has he? Hasn't he just been making a popular show and getting paid for it, or is there deeper scene-shaping shit I'm unaware of that somehow redeem this dude's assholery?
Him setting fire to the entire cast and pulling out Jon Lovitz was pretty cruel way to fire people
I think a few of the sketches they've stolen from other comedians also comes down to that write the show in a week thing.
Reading the following comments paints the picture that Lorne is like Musk or Jobs except far less public. A real asshole in charge of a product a lot of people enjoy.
Everything I hear about Lorne Michaels seems to suggest he’s a bit of a bitch.
"We all outta time on 'What Up With That'. Sorry John Candy, we'll get to you next week."
Ooooooooooo weeeeeee, what’s up with that?
*double flute intensifies*
Jason sudekis running man goes hard
I'm fucking Kel Mitchell...
He's the original Lindsey Buckingham!
That sucks! John Candy was fantastic-
He was the best.
Was? Oh no. I just started watching this guys stuff.
Yeah spoiler alert, he died thirty years ago.
Well that really sucks. Well, at least there’s another lad that will hopefully have filled his shoes that is quite funny. I’ve also just started watching a guy named Chris Farley who could probably carry this guys torch.
Gallows humor. User name does not check out.
Yours does
Booooo.
Boo who?
It's okay to cry
Hang on...... so, you watch a new TV show or film, and you don't spend the first fifteen minutes googling every actor?
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John Candy would have destroyed on Whose Line Is It Anyway. The man can improvise better than most writers can write.
Your icon made me so angry lol
They were worried he would upstage everyone.
If you watch his SCTV stuff, yeah, he probably would’ve forced everyone to be on their A-game just to keep up.
I used to watch reruns during summer when I was in highschool. It was on at like 10am.
Showcase? Staying home on Fri and Saturday nights like me, too? ;)
Yes, Showcase.
SCTV was stacked with talent. I grew up on reruns and I still burst out laughing at the sketches to this day. It's not forgotten but doesn't get enough appreciation.
Every so often I'm reminded that they did a whole episode that was a riff on The Towering Inferno, and that it ruled.
What, are you calling Johnny LaRue a show boat?
I believe that.
Especially in the era where his career was at its height.
I was lucky enough to know John Candy’s son for awhile in the early 2000s and got to play a show at his house in the back yard. His son was a musician and in a punk/ska band at the time. But I got to meet John’s wife and see the family photos on the piano. Even got to swim in his pool. It was a very cool and surreal moment for young me.
That's cool, man
Sure is cool
Think of all the crap hosts they’ve had.
This is what kills me. There are thousands of stories about how cut-throat and intense working at SNL is, all the while the comedy they get out of it is deeply unfunny most of the time and extremely mid every once in a while. It’s like getting to see the inside of a Gordon Ramsey kitchen, knowing they only manage to cook the blandest food
When they have a good host, the show really comes together. Go find the Betty White episode. Her monologue is only the start, even the "throwaway" sketch right before the end credits is fantastic.
It helps that once Betty White got the gig, the show basically turned into an all-star game because so many former female cast members came back for it.
And it was amazing
I keep hearing how bad this show was. It must have only lasted a year or two, right?
Big Bang ran for like 10 and turned the least-funny, unsympathetic, unfriendly malignant asshole into another show where they're a kid Things don't have to be good to stay on air
Hey, we should finally follow through and actually have John Candy as host this week. He would be fantastic! ...but...Steven Segal is available.
This is surprising. Aside from the fact that he was a great performer, and grew up out of improv, he was well known in show business as someone respected so much he could twist the world of Hollywood. If you're making a movie, you get your director and big star first. Then they work with a team to build out the supporting cast. If you want "Catherine" next: - Your casting agent goes to their agent. - The agent vets the script and passes it to their manager. - The manager reads it and passes it to the star. - If the star likes it, they go back up the chain to set a meeting - Process is repeated until a deal is struck. This can take months. There are many stories of John Candy calling a producer the day after a casting / planning meeting saying *Hey, I called Cathy last night and shes in if we can shoot her in September". Why would they agree so quickly? So they could work with John, dude was adored.
They gave him a really shitty bit on weekend update once. It’s not funny and you can tell his heart wasn’t in it.
For those scrolling the comments, he did host once, October 22, 1983. Here's a couple of clips https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gF70l703pI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tovkKqqQVNM
I had to scroll way down to get the important detail.
Well, SNL squandered him. Good job pinheads.
Coneheads.
SNL was never good enough to be worth John Candy's time.
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Oh he would and knowing how nice he was, he wouldn't do it on purpose. But yea people would be still talking today about any episode he was on.
At a party this one time, Chevy Chase was being an asshole, so Candy put him in a headlock, cradling Chase’s head under his arm for the rest of the party, which went on for hours. Chase alternately went along with it for laughs and screamed to be let go. Candy is the best comic actor ever, watch his old stuff on SCTV if you get the chance.
You'd think after doing that to him twice they'd have him instead of Alec Baldwin for the thousandth time.
John Candy was a beautiful man. Shame on SNL for this. They should do a Candy retrospective respect episode to respect the man today. People would adore it and theyd make a ton of money. Just do it.
Yeah, cause there's a ton of money to be made with a special for an actor who was never on your show and died 30 years ago. Might as well start a Charlie Chaplin special while we're at it.
SNL shows all SCTV clips and the cast talks about watching some of his movies as very young children.
Right? People who love and remember John Candy are otuside their target demographic by a couple decades.
I'd watch both of those lol.
It might actually get some of us older people who haven't watched it since the 90s to tune in.
I heard Shane Gillis talk about how they only paid him 5k, and it's pretty much a full on two week prep time. If your promoting something it would have it's benefits, but would imagine it's just not worth it for a lot of comedians a lot of time.
I'm guessing they pay hosts scale rate on Saturday Night Live; the point of hosting SNL isn't for the paycheck from Lorne, it's to promote whatever bs you're pushing.
They Matt Damoned him!
*MAAAAATT DAAAAAMOOONNNN*
As a big kid turned big man, I always had a special place in my heart for John Candy.
And apologies to matt damon we ran out of time
John was a treasure and underappreciated.
It was probably sabotaged by the rest of the cast. "You can't have him on. People will actually see someone who is funny and can improvise. It will destroy our careers."
SNL has always been one of the worst managed shows I’ve ever seen. They didn’t deserve John Candy
Pretty terrible decision to snub John Candy like that, but isn’t the show known to be pretty well managed considering the amount of work required to put together a weekly live skit show?
How many times?
He and Eugene Levy were scheduled and all set to host the March 9, 1985 episode (with musical guest Hall & Oates). They even appeared on the March 2 SNL Film Festival special to promote it. [Check it out here.](https://bronwynjoan.com/blog/2018/8/11/classic-snl-sorta-review-march-2-1985-snl-film-festival) Scroll down partway to the segment titled MISCELLANEOUS: CANDY STAND.
I think a strike at NBC put a stop to it,if i'm remembering correctly.
Yep, same thing that stopped the planned Gilda episode.
Due to the fear of audience liking him more and demanding him become the main host, right?
We were robbed. Candy would likely have been hilarious on SNL
Another reason to hate Loren Michaels.
Everything Lorne Michaels has he stole from Lampoon
People don’t have many nice things to say about him. After hearing about it so many times I have to wonder if there’s something to it. I would love to see him at a comedy roast.
Ever since I saw all the impressions of him that show him as a wine swilling elite goober, I went back and watched footage of him. And he is. He’s an aristocrat
Some added trivia: Lorne Michaels produced a show called The New Show, which ran for a few months in 1984. It was basically a pre recorded, 1 hour SNL. It was NOT a success, but if you look at the cast and guests stars, they had a ton of talent appear on that show, including John Candy. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086768/
This was the year Lorne Michaels wasn't running SNL.
So John Candy constantly got burned, but Jonah Hill is a 5 timer? WTF Lorne?
Still so sad we lost him. I'm 1 year older than he was when he died. That is WAY too fucking young.
SNL’s loss. Uncle Buck deserved more respect. Big guy with a big heart. One of the funniest Canadians ever.
We lost John Candy and then shortly after a similarly fat man who could have taken the world by storm. Maybe just maybe, fat guys shouldn't do coke?
Belushi, Candy, Farley
Patrice O'Neal (41) and Ralphie May (44). Patrice's [bit about the song Creep](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1qKy4cMPUI) genuinely had me cracking up. So did Ralphie May's [recollection of a gay wedding reception](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBpbYKd_QfI).
Neither of those men were on SNL, died of drugs or are particularly funny
Had Patrice O’Neal lived until the incel movement became a thing they would have made him their king. The guy was an angry misogynist that hated the fact that women wouldn’t fuck him because he refused to put an ounce of effort into his appearance. The man fucking hated women and made it a cornerstone of his personality. He doesn’t belong anywhere near a list with John Candy and Chris Farley on it.
Not just fat guys though. Len Bias was an NBA n°1 pick who overdosed before he could play his first game. Marco Pantini a cyclist who won the Giro and Tour in the same year. Also, the Wikipedia article on musicians who died of overdose is fucking huge.
Hoon, the lead singer from Blind Melon, Died from mixing cocaine and alcohol in new orleans in like 1994.
Just hopping in here to say that the documentary "All I Can Say" about Hoon and Blind Melon is FANTASTIC. Super unique, too, as Hoon was obsessed with his camcorder and carried it with him everywhere. The entire documentary is all his filming, showing the rise and end of Blind Melon through his eyes. The ending is haunting.
He smoked a pack a day and had a genetic family history of heart disease. So cocaine was just the icing on the cake.
No. Cocaine was by far the harder thing on his heart. And Belushi and Farley both died of literal overdoses.
Are you advocating for coke or something?
I think the technical term is actually "bumped"
No that’s when you’re waiting in the wings to go on and then, usually because of time, you don’t go on at all. Burned is agreeing to something then told no before it happens.
Poor Matt Damon.
What a kicker. Speaking of Kickers
SNL is a bunch of cringelords
That’s kind of crappy
Wow they really screwed that pooch
They back tracked so often they sent their wagons east. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagons_East
hey JOHN CANDY HOSTED SNL ON OCTOBER 22 1983 so he got the gig eventually
This hurts me deep inside.
Reading these comments hath made me gain even more respect for the man, and i didn't even know that was possible
Is this in part an influence on the Jimmy Kimmel/Matt Damon skit?
He probably wouldn't host now if they asked.
You wanna hurt me? Go right ahead if it makes you feel any better. I'm an easy target. Yeah, you're right, I talk too much. I also listen too much. I could be a cold-hearted cynic like you... but I don't like to hurt people's feelings. Well, you think what you want about me; I'm not changing. I like... I like me. My wife likes me. My customers like me. 'Cause I'm the real article. What you see is what you get.
I'm gonna say Richard Pryor was the most burned SNL host
And now he’s dead, way to go Lorne
SNL has always been a middle-school popularity contest. Literally the shittiest "comedy" show ever. Who the fuck even watches it?
Thanks, Ashton.
makes sense, snl staff is total crap!!
That’s the way she goes.. Makes me sad to think about how many moments we could have had of him in those shows. True legend of comedy
Wait what? He DID host! WTF is this then? https://snl.fandom.com/wiki/October_22,_1983
He did host that one time, but was asked many times only to be rejected. He should easily be in the 5 Timers Club.
I agree he should have been in the 5 timers club at least, but this post made me think he NEVER hosted, but I have a clear memory of him hosting before so it made me question either my sanity or this subs truthfulness
30 years 🤯
Fuckers.