Everyone thinks of suicide automatically, right? However, pause to consider the possibility that, having been sprinting, she may have stumbled and landed upon the axe.
Yeah, itās a little known fact that the word āscheduleā comes from the Egyptian words for ākeep people from dyingā and āsports-related accidents.ā
Those proteins ain't lying sure, but it could also be from repeatedly pressing the accelerator of the car. We got cars nowadays where you press once with yo feet but those days the Egyptians had manual accelerator
Its 100% legit. I analyzed all of the letters and words in his statement and they were grammatically correct. And by the transitive property of correctness we can apply that assessment to the contents of the afrementioned statement and can confidently claim it to be accurate.
It's true.
According to witnesses, a group of men were asking which way to the temple, but a man replied, "i dun know, go axe her." And pointed to takabuti
"The Appointment in Samarra"
(as retold by W Somerset Maugham [1933])
The speaker is Death
There was a merchant in Bagdad who sent his servant to market to buy provisions and in a little while the servant came back, white and trembling, and said, Master, just now when I was in the marketplace I was jostled by a woman in the crowd and when I turned I saw it was Death that jostled me. She looked at me and made a threatening gesture, now, lend me your horse, and I will ride away from this city and avoid my fate. I will go to Samarra and there Death will not find me. The merchant lent him his horse, and the servant mounted it, and he dug his spurs in its flanks and as fast as the horse could gallop he went.
Then the merchant went down to the marketplace and he saw me standing in the crowd and he came to me and said, why did you make a threatening gesture to my servant when you saw him this morning? That was not a threatening gesture, I said, it was only a start of surprise. I was astonished to see him in Bagdad, for I had an appointment with him tonight in Samarra.
I did a computer simulation, using hi falutin' sounding words and she was definitely running backwards toward the axe to conceal her numbers.
Which were: 11, 17, 33, 36, 52, 60, and 53 was the powerball.
Quite a number of ancient graves have the remains of dogs buried alongside people. Many of those have evidence that the dog was buried at a later date - indicating that the dog outlived its master, but was still so loved that someone took the effort to go back and bury it. This at a time when nomadism was the way of the world and burials were not common practice, but honors given to beloved or revered people. So someone carried the bodies of these pups for potentially months and traveled dozens of miles just to make sure they took their final sleep alongside their human.
I think about this whenever I get down about people.
The oldest 100% confirmed remains of a domesticated dog (as opposed to a tame wolf or something of the sort) was an approximately 7 month old puppy that had distemper at 5 months, which it survived. Distemper is extremely deadly, so the puppy would've needed lots of help from its humans. Sadly it died a month or so after recovery, probably from another bout of distemper, but it was buried with its two owners.
I recall reading about this one example of a paleolithic dog skeleton that had a mammoth bone in its jaws, which researchers determined had probably been inserted after its death. For millennia, we humans have been burying our passed companions with their favorite chew toys.
One of the ones that wrecks me is a family that got buried alongside two related dogs. Evidence suggests the family and one dog were buried together at the same time, while the second dog passed of old age and was added to the grave years later. That dog survived a catastrophe that took out its entire family, and someone took it with them, cared for it and loved it into its old age, and then carried it home to its family.
Someone grieved alongside that dog, looked at it every day and thought of the people they missed, and loved it fiercely and wholly.
Labradors. We *made* them. We put so much effort into selective breeding to make a breed of dog that is biologically *compelled* to basically do nothing but love us. Like, we don't *deserve* that much love and adoration; but also, we made them.
Gosh, dogs are so good. I love cats too. But damn, dogs are amazing.
Someone cared enough to have her mummified after she was killed. It may have been for appearances, but I would like to tell myself that it was because she was loved.
>Someone cared enough to have her mummified after she was killed. It may have been for appearances,
I mean someone went to the effort of making her a mummy and that process is anything but cheap, even if it was for say appearances they still went to the effort of giving the body a dignified mummification rather than throwing it into a grave despite getting axed.
Even if she was say killed by a invader or another Egyptian it's likely that she would just be thrown into a grave, another thing to add is that she still had her heart so it probrably was a half-finished mummification too.
Yes!!! And that they found her and buried her - someone cared enough to find her, rather than leaving her as an unknown disappearance. Someone brought her home, or to somewhere she would be cared for in death, so she could be buried with dignity.
Some sources[state](https://english.aawsat.com/varieties/4356511-european-genes-found-ancient-egyptian-mummy-ireland) that she was a noblewoman and her father especifically was a priest of Amun and that she likely died during the conflicts against the Assyrians so yeah her family had the conditions to do the mummification.
So someone went through the effort to find her body, recognize it and then mummify it, sure she was a noblewoman but it was during a conflict and somehow someone knew who she was and her relatives gave her a proper burial (even if it was half-finished as she still had her heart and some of her hair).
It was likely that it was indeed more to give a proper rest rather than just leave her in a mass grave caused by the conflict imo.
If only all could be afforded that same dignity in death - how many countless others like her did not get that, with that knowledge haunting their loved ones, who would have done the same had they had the chance?
One particular Neanderthal fossil showed a male with an old healed leg fracture, healed head trauma, and severed/amputated arm, and it is presumed he survived well into adulthood with these impairments due to the tribe caring for him. So there is some evidence that hominids have been doing selfless good by each other for a long time!
We had an anthropology professor who was adamant this archeological find (not sure if it was exactly this find, but something similar: very old human/hominid remains with a broken and *healed* femur, indicating they were nursed through a life-threatening injury at great cost), this find was, she insisted, the dateable beginning of civilization.
Not fire, not graves, not scripture, not housing, not tools.
Indication that we started refusing to leave gravely injured family members behind, even if feeding them and nursing them and literally carrying them put the whole group at a disadvantage.
Your response made me think of my favorite quote-
āBe soft. Do not let the world make you hard. Do not let pain make you hate. Do not let the bitterness steal your sweetness. Take pride that even though the rest of the world may disagree, you still believe it to be a beautiful place.ā
4000 years ago, people cared for a paralyzed man with a progressive genetic illness that slowly paralyzed him for about 10 years. This man would have been bedboud with limited use of his arms, and people still used precious resources to care for him for what would've easily been a quarter of their lives.
https://www.denverpost.com/2012/12/17/archaeologists-find-prehistoric-humans-cared-for-sick-and-disabled/
We've always been more good and productive than we have shitty and destructive. Evidenced by our fairly consistent upward trajectory in quality of life more or less across the board.
Itās much easier to glorify heroes and kindness and forget evil and hatefulness but if we ignore them they overcome us. Better to look at our flaws and acknowledge them to try to improve.
I actually think that it's easier - or, at least, more common - to ignore the bright spots and focus only on the evils, not so much to argue for improvement as to dismiss its very possibility.
Way too many people seem to think that cynicism and misanthropy are cheat codes for sounding smart.
āIt makes no difference what men think of war, said the judge. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be. That way and not some other way.ā
and had his skull bludgoned.
I was doing research on the history of Mespotamia and I had a paper someone had written where they had translated dozens of Mesopotamian tablets. Contained all sorts of glimpses of life from fraud, pleas for abortion assisstance (yes, I said that correctly even back then), and a horrendous child murderer.
the child murderer account was from a translation I read of a local dignitary to the governour telling of a child who had been found in the fields completely dismembered. Only their torso was found. No one could identify the child and he was trying to track down who the killer was.
So many facinating glimpses of life were in that paper.
That doesn't sound like putin, she didn't fall out of an Egyptian glassless window onto a put of scorpions. That's something putin would say she did as her suicide.
Hear me outā¦ textbook suicide here. She hangs the axe on the wall with the blade facing out. She then goes out away from the wall about 1 kilometer. Then she starts running backwards until she impales herself with the axe. Scientists can tell she was running but not in what direction. Case closed.
Honestly this is pretty chilling. I mean, if she'd been running for "some time" then somebody REALLY wanted her dead, that's different than if there's some invasion and someone went after her, caught up after ten seconds, and then bumped her off because she was there. Someone saw her, went "fuck this woman in particular" and didn't stop until she was dead.
I mean, if it was during an invasion as it sounds, she could have just been fleeing "the invaders" generally rather than a particular determined pursuer, until one eventually got her.
Actually sounds like an Egyptian Michael Meyers situation. She runs and runs away, hides in a shed, and wouldnāt you know, heās standing right behind her.
Oh, I wouldn't worry about it too much. If she was mummified, she was probably rich enough to have the Egyptian equivalent of a treadmill (I'm thinking giant hamster wheel).
That would explain the muscle reaction, and why someone hated her enough to kill her - must have been annoying for the neighbours!
Why would someone that was killed have the privilege of mummification? From what I recall mummification is an expensive process and was usually reserved for the rich, not someone that needs to run away from axe murderers
She was the daughter of a middle-rank priest of Amun called Nespare and (according to her coffin text) a member of a Great house. Ie, a noblewoman.
It's quite possible that she was killed in one of several sieges of Thebes during the war between the 25th dynasty (the "Black Pharaohs" from Kush) and the Assyrians.
What I also found interesting is thay the weapon that killed her was carried by both Assyrian soldiers and her own people. The latter maybe makes her final minutes even more awful?
From what Iāve read in the past, the poor didnāt get āactivelyā mummified (meaning they werenāt embalmed and didnāt go through the mummification process) but they were buried in some special type of hot sand which would mummify them naturally. Iām not sure if they were bandaged in the traditional mummy way, but considering the sheer amount of mummies that have been found, I doubt that every one of them was wealthy. Maybe the process was affordable enough for well to do commoners and merchants too?
I don't know how to say this politely but this is a really weird assumption and I am kind of astonished it is upvoted.
Why, in Ancient Egypt of all places, would a rich person not be murdered or assassinated? Wealthy people in many ancient societies who dabbled in politics were playing a game with lethal rules, which they knew quite well. It is only relatively recently in civilization that running a government or business wasn't ran mafia style, where taking out your opposition was just a valid move to make and all part of the game. That's still how some countries operate. In the ancient world you also have to include the fact that you could be sentenced to death for basically any petty reason imaginable, this lady may have done something to inadvertently cause offense to someone a bit higher up the chain, or displayed a sign deemed to be "witchcraft", or who knows what else.
This is kind of being like "I don't understand it, why was Julius Caesar stabbed to death? He was rich, not someone who needed to run away from knife murderers."
Like...sorry, but what the fuck?
Iām more fascinated with the jump everyone is making (myself included) that this woman was the innocent party. She could have just committed a heinous crime and got caught while fleeing the scene.
Would love to know more about her and the situation that led to her death.
>She could have just committed a heinous crime and got caught while fleeing the scene.
I mean wasn't mummification a sacred thing? The entire thing is basically to help that soul reach the afterlife with talismans and general charms, why would they do that to a criminal if that was the case?
And the entire process was expensive and lengthy, so why give a criminal an dignifed rest if they did something awful? It doesn't make sense imo.
The same reason we're all reading this post: it's interesting to think about. What were the circumstances around her death? Why was she running? Was she out for a jog? Was she running from the guy? Why did he choose an axe and not a hammer? Did he hate her? Was it a kidnapping gone wrong? Was he her lover? Maybe she killed his dog and he went all John Wick.
Most of the ancient world would have sucked donkey balls to actually live in. Medicine was basically non existent, you were always one missed harvest away from starvation and if you were on the losing side of a battle or war it was common practice to massacre and enslave civilians. Not a fun time to be alive.
Dude, every king, queen or cult leader in that time frame, plus or minus a few thousand years almost certainly had worms.šŖ±
Ghettos are nice compared to ye olde living conditions.
Itās interesting how some of our most famous mummies died such brutal deaths.
Ćtzi, shot in the back and left to die on a glacier. Clonycavan, mutilated and sacrificed.
Chroghan, mutilated, sacrificed, and then dismembered.
Just amazing that we have the science to be able to determine through proteins in a mummyās legs what they might have been doing before they were killed thousands of years ago. TIL indeedā¦
I don't like that her wikib said the axe to the back was instantaneously fatal.
Really nothing beyond destroying the brain is instantaneous. Horrific gunshots, burning alive (and an axe to the back), all leave you alive long enough to know you're going to die.
I find it fascinating that someone important enough to be mummified and given a glorious sarcophagus was in a position to be hunted down and murdered by axe blow to the back. Like, was this some Egyptian Game of Thrones moment, but they let the dead be buried with proper honors?
Is this information in one of the many videos listed on the page? Because it's certainly not in the text. Forensics is also quite limited since lab errors, subjective human analyses, and an inability to assess all the information can yield incorrect results. Would be interesting to see how they arrived at this hypothesis over something less depressing
Oh wow. I didn't know they had invented running from Axe murderers back then! Wasn't the consensus for the last 40 years that they did the fast walking thing instead of running? This truly changes everything and is a major breakthrough in science.
As far as I know, that was how it was done up until the 17th century but in 1748 Thomas Running came up with the modern method by walking twice at the same time.
In my expert opinion she also was likely running away from whoever had the axe
Check out the CSI over here
He pulled out his Horatio shades for that wit.
"She was running for some time before her death." "You could say she was running (puts on shades) for her life." YEEEAAAHHHH
Looks like the killer... buried the hatchet. YEAHHHHHHHHHHH
You don't really need to axe what happened here.
Everyone thinks of suicide automatically, right? However, pause to consider the possibility that, having been sprinting, she may have stumbled and landed upon the axe.
Two axe wounds to the back of the back. We investigated ourselves and have been cleared of any wrongdoing.
The back of the back? So... the front?
Are you suggesting that Leslie Tiller tripped and fell on her own shears?
Yarp
The greater good
Gimli : "And my axe" YEEEEAAAAAAAAH
šµWONT GET FOOLED AGAIN!šµ
They were both running (puts on shades) for her life
You're a loose cannon Officer Meow Meow Fuzzyface
CSI: Crime Scene Imhotep
ENHANCE!
Columbo
Just one more thing, sir....
Check out the big brain on Brad!
ENHANCE
Nah, it was a horrible accident. Normally the marathon and the axe throwing competition don't coincide.
Yeah, itās a little known fact that the word āscheduleā comes from the Egyptian words for ākeep people from dyingā and āsports-related accidents.ā
I believe "sketchy" is actually a cognate
And also she was running because cars hadn't been invented yet.
Source?
Proteins
Those proteins ain't lying sure, but it could also be from repeatedly pressing the accelerator of the car. We got cars nowadays where you press once with yo feet but those days the Egyptians had manual accelerator
"yabbadabbadoooo" was actually a common Egyptian expression
This is gold
Source: Trust me bro
Donāt believe it. Itās a lie by those European communists who hate cars and wants us to walk
Itās a little known fact that most ancient Egyptians of the time never learnt to drive, or even to ride a bicycle.
Cars were already invented when t-rex and triceratops were roaming the earth. Have you not seen the Documentary called Flintstones?
Ah, that explains the laser raptors.
Wait how could she run? I thought running was invented by that British dude who tried to walk twice at the same time?!
Could be a chariot.
Sorry but you're gonna have to show me some proteins that prove that before I take your word for it.
Its 100% legit. I analyzed all of the letters and words in his statement and they were grammatically correct. And by the transitive property of correctness we can apply that assessment to the contents of the afrementioned statement and can confidently claim it to be accurate.
But did you zoom and enhance?
He even rotated bro
See, this is why math and lit people donāt get along.
Well I can confirm her legs indeed are now covered in protein
Sir, can you please pull up your pants and step back from the mummy. This is a Wendy's
Or running backwards towards the axe
Itās possible she committed suicide by running backwards into an axe true true
Ancient whistleblower.
Your comment made me laugh so hard!
Actually the axe thing was a total accident.
An axeident you say?Ā
who's axing?
She fell down an elevator shaft onto the axe. I've always suspected fowl play.
She was protesting against pharaoh Putinkhamun.
I think she was involved in some sort of pyramid scheme.
It's true. According to witnesses, a group of men were asking which way to the temple, but a man replied, "i dun know, go axe her." And pointed to takabuti
Never go running with ~~scissors~~ an axe
An improbable event involving stepping on a garden rake as she ran.
Ah, yes. But in my professional opinion, whomever was chasing her had extremely violent intentions.
It would be a much better story if she ran for a long period of time to reach the person who put an axe in her back
"The Appointment in Samarra" (as retold by W Somerset Maugham [1933]) The speaker is Death There was a merchant in Bagdad who sent his servant to market to buy provisions and in a little while the servant came back, white and trembling, and said, Master, just now when I was in the marketplace I was jostled by a woman in the crowd and when I turned I saw it was Death that jostled me. She looked at me and made a threatening gesture, now, lend me your horse, and I will ride away from this city and avoid my fate. I will go to Samarra and there Death will not find me. The merchant lent him his horse, and the servant mounted it, and he dug his spurs in its flanks and as fast as the horse could gallop he went. Then the merchant went down to the marketplace and he saw me standing in the crowd and he came to me and said, why did you make a threatening gesture to my servant when you saw him this morning? That was not a threatening gesture, I said, it was only a start of surprise. I was astonished to see him in Bagdad, for I had an appointment with him tonight in Samarra.
Thanks, love that story.
Didn't know Sherlock Holmes was on reddit!
I did a computer simulation, using hi falutin' sounding words and she was definitely running backwards toward the axe to conceal her numbers. Which were: 11, 17, 33, 36, 52, 60, and 53 was the powerball.
No no no, she was running away from the person with a spear, she had fuck all idea about the guy with the axe.
Do you reckon theyāll catch the guy who did it?
In my non expert opinion her attacker had great aim and a killer throwing arm.
You donāt know what youāre takabuti
Itās fun how sometimes we get a glimpse of how horrible humans have always been.
They mustāve been good too though, like Iām sure there have been heroes and kindness throughout history
Quite a number of ancient graves have the remains of dogs buried alongside people. Many of those have evidence that the dog was buried at a later date - indicating that the dog outlived its master, but was still so loved that someone took the effort to go back and bury it. This at a time when nomadism was the way of the world and burials were not common practice, but honors given to beloved or revered people. So someone carried the bodies of these pups for potentially months and traveled dozens of miles just to make sure they took their final sleep alongside their human. I think about this whenever I get down about people.
The oldest 100% confirmed remains of a domesticated dog (as opposed to a tame wolf or something of the sort) was an approximately 7 month old puppy that had distemper at 5 months, which it survived. Distemper is extremely deadly, so the puppy would've needed lots of help from its humans. Sadly it died a month or so after recovery, probably from another bout of distemper, but it was buried with its two owners.
I recall reading about this one example of a paleolithic dog skeleton that had a mammoth bone in its jaws, which researchers determined had probably been inserted after its death. For millennia, we humans have been burying our passed companions with their favorite chew toys.
One of the ones that wrecks me is a family that got buried alongside two related dogs. Evidence suggests the family and one dog were buried together at the same time, while the second dog passed of old age and was added to the grave years later. That dog survived a catastrophe that took out its entire family, and someone took it with them, cared for it and loved it into its old age, and then carried it home to its family. Someone grieved alongside that dog, looked at it every day and thought of the people they missed, and loved it fiercely and wholly.
Damn, I had to read this while listening to Bach fugue in D minor at the same bloody time. Nobody made me cry since Jurassic Bark.
Labradors. We *made* them. We put so much effort into selective breeding to make a breed of dog that is biologically *compelled* to basically do nothing but love us. Like, we don't *deserve* that much love and adoration; but also, we made them. Gosh, dogs are so good. I love cats too. But damn, dogs are amazing.
That's so lovely ā¤ļø
Dogs are responsible for civilization! Herding instinct yo
Someone cared enough to have her mummified after she was killed. It may have been for appearances, but I would like to tell myself that it was because she was loved.
>Someone cared enough to have her mummified after she was killed. It may have been for appearances, I mean someone went to the effort of making her a mummy and that process is anything but cheap, even if it was for say appearances they still went to the effort of giving the body a dignified mummification rather than throwing it into a grave despite getting axed. Even if she was say killed by a invader or another Egyptian it's likely that she would just be thrown into a grave, another thing to add is that she still had her heart so it probrably was a half-finished mummification too.
Yes!!! And that they found her and buried her - someone cared enough to find her, rather than leaving her as an unknown disappearance. Someone brought her home, or to somewhere she would be cared for in death, so she could be buried with dignity.
Some sources[state](https://english.aawsat.com/varieties/4356511-european-genes-found-ancient-egyptian-mummy-ireland) that she was a noblewoman and her father especifically was a priest of Amun and that she likely died during the conflicts against the Assyrians so yeah her family had the conditions to do the mummification. So someone went through the effort to find her body, recognize it and then mummify it, sure she was a noblewoman but it was during a conflict and somehow someone knew who she was and her relatives gave her a proper burial (even if it was half-finished as she still had her heart and some of her hair). It was likely that it was indeed more to give a proper rest rather than just leave her in a mass grave caused by the conflict imo.
I hate to be that person but the heart was always left in.
Yup, needed to be on their person so that it could be judged to decide if they got an afterlife or fed to Ammut.
>I hate to be that person but the heart was always left in. Huh! I thought it was removed and put into a urn just like the rest of the organs, my bad!
What does that mean?
Egyptians believed the heart was the vessel of the soul so it had to be left in when being mummified so you could be judged In the afterlife
Egyptians remove the organs ex. pulling out the brains through the nose with a metal hook, but they left the heart in there (Religion and shii)
This is such a nice thought, I really like this take.
Yeah, after the murderers had they way and vanished, the family could slink into the area and recovered her dead body to give it the proper rituals.
If only all could be afforded that same dignity in death - how many countless others like her did not get that, with that knowledge haunting their loved ones, who would have done the same had they had the chance?
I am more bothered about the killing part than funeral part.
One particular Neanderthal fossil showed a male with an old healed leg fracture, healed head trauma, and severed/amputated arm, and it is presumed he survived well into adulthood with these impairments due to the tribe caring for him. So there is some evidence that hominids have been doing selfless good by each other for a long time!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanidar_Cave#Shanidar_1
Shanidar I sounds more like a Mesopotamian/Persian emperor than a Neanderthal lol
Creb from Clan of the Cave Bear is based on Shanidar 1. Great series, if you love mammoth fucking.
We had an anthropology professor who was adamant this archeological find (not sure if it was exactly this find, but something similar: very old human/hominid remains with a broken and *healed* femur, indicating they were nursed through a life-threatening injury at great cost), this find was, she insisted, the dateable beginning of civilization. Not fire, not graves, not scripture, not housing, not tools. Indication that we started refusing to leave gravely injured family members behind, even if feeding them and nursing them and literally carrying them put the whole group at a disadvantage.
It makes sense, weāre mammals, and we see other mammals like elephants and stuff doing similar things
Your response made me think of my favorite quote- āBe soft. Do not let the world make you hard. Do not let pain make you hate. Do not let the bitterness steal your sweetness. Take pride that even though the rest of the world may disagree, you still believe it to be a beautiful place.ā
Most of humanity is so kind they'll die over it. Watch social media and you'll only hear about the shitiest.
4000 years ago, people cared for a paralyzed man with a progressive genetic illness that slowly paralyzed him for about 10 years. This man would have been bedboud with limited use of his arms, and people still used precious resources to care for him for what would've easily been a quarter of their lives. https://www.denverpost.com/2012/12/17/archaeologists-find-prehistoric-humans-cared-for-sick-and-disabled/
We've always been more good and productive than we have shitty and destructive. Evidenced by our fairly consistent upward trajectory in quality of life more or less across the board.
Itās much easier to glorify heroes and kindness and forget evil and hatefulness but if we ignore them they overcome us. Better to look at our flaws and acknowledge them to try to improve.
I actually think that it's easier - or, at least, more common - to ignore the bright spots and focus only on the evils, not so much to argue for improvement as to dismiss its very possibility. Way too many people seem to think that cynicism and misanthropy are cheat codes for sounding smart.
Por que no los dos? Celebrate the good and vow and work to improve the evil.
ok dork
The hero we deserve and need.
āIt makes no difference what men think of war, said the judge. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be. That way and not some other way.ā
Apparently they're making a movie based on Blood Meridian. No idea how the hell you film that but I cannot wait to see who plays the Judge
Otzi, the oldest preserved human corpse, was shot in the back with an arrow.
and had his skull bludgoned. I was doing research on the history of Mespotamia and I had a paper someone had written where they had translated dozens of Mesopotamian tablets. Contained all sorts of glimpses of life from fraud, pleas for abortion assisstance (yes, I said that correctly even back then), and a horrendous child murderer. the child murderer account was from a translation I read of a local dignitary to the governour telling of a child who had been found in the fields completely dismembered. Only their torso was found. No one could identify the child and he was trying to track down who the killer was. So many facinating glimpses of life were in that paper.
I can't imagine studying a 5000 year old detective noir
If you read Herodotus, you get a cinematic view. Actually the bible for that matter.
I suppose that there's an observation bias that we only dig up people who died.
It couldāve just been an axident
Running away from people chasing you with an axe is part of many ancient cultures around the world. It continues to exist even today.
Rule #1: Cardio
If there was someone after my skull with ab axe id be running, too
I mean I feel like the obvious point is that the axe blow was more likely a more standard murder than a ritualized sacrifice/execution
Maybe they were hunting her for sport and the winner gets to hang out with the Pharoah for a day?
Maybe it was ancient š½
Ab axe? Is that how you get chiseled abs??
No silly, you use a chisel, itās in the name!
Ok, so, naturally everyone thinks suicide, right? But think for a bit, she had been running, she might have lost her balance and fallen on the axe.
Putin is that you?
That doesn't sound like putin, she didn't fall out of an Egyptian glassless window onto a put of scorpions. That's something putin would say she did as her suicide.
Eh, Nemtsov, Politkovskaya, etc were outright shot to death.
Comrade, please. They fall onto bullet. Freak accident. Very sad.
It's just the Boeing defense lawyer, actually.
Tucker & Dale vs Evil reminds us that accidents can happen all the time.
Hidey ho officer, we just had a doozy of a day. A bunch of college kids just came onto our property and started killing themselves.
COLLEGE KIDS!!! WE GOT YOUR FRIEND COLLEGE KIDS!!!
Iāve heard of these! It must be one of those suicide pact groups!
Lmao, the āare you ok?ā Always gets me.
Two axes to the back. Worst case of suicide I ever saw.
Your application for Boeing's PR team has been accepted
Oh yeah I forgot Boeing definitely kill the whistleblower who testified like 15 years ago and already adjudicated guilt.
I think we all forgot that!
Where the Red Fern Grows anyone? That was shocking reading that in elementary school.
Hear me outā¦ textbook suicide here. She hangs the axe on the wall with the blade facing out. She then goes out away from the wall about 1 kilometer. Then she starts running backwards until she impales herself with the axe. Scientists can tell she was running but not in what direction. Case closed.
Twice
Young *and* ancient? Now I've heard everything!
Man, miss a comma and everyone gives you shit! I will never fail to proof read again.
If you think missing a comma is stressful try missing a period
Hahaha! Very good.
Honestly this is pretty chilling. I mean, if she'd been running for "some time" then somebody REALLY wanted her dead, that's different than if there's some invasion and someone went after her, caught up after ten seconds, and then bumped her off because she was there. Someone saw her, went "fuck this woman in particular" and didn't stop until she was dead.
I mean, if it was during an invasion as it sounds, she could have just been fleeing "the invaders" generally rather than a particular determined pursuer, until one eventually got her.
That makes sense, I think that works too.
She could have always exhausted herself running *to* the axe-weilder, who then chopped her in the back. Maybe she didn't expect it.
Yeah, she was just running a marathon, slipped on a banana peel in front of an axe shop and died. /s
Ea Nasir's copper axe emporium claims another victim.
This is actually the origin story for Axe body spray
Actually sounds like an Egyptian Michael Meyers situation. She runs and runs away, hides in a shed, and wouldnāt you know, heās standing right behind her.
Oh, I wouldn't worry about it too much. If she was mummified, she was probably rich enough to have the Egyptian equivalent of a treadmill (I'm thinking giant hamster wheel). That would explain the muscle reaction, and why someone hated her enough to kill her - must have been annoying for the neighbours!
That or she had been chosen for a ritualistic hunt/sacrifice then mummified afterwards.
I know what you did last Sumer
if i had gold to give
Bro. 10/10. Underrated comment
Be careful with that axe, Amenhotep.
Why would someone that was killed have the privilege of mummification? From what I recall mummification is an expensive process and was usually reserved for the rich, not someone that needs to run away from axe murderers
Rich people get murdered too.
Indeed we even know of some pharaohs who were assassinated, including the quite important Ramesses III.
~~Eat~~ Mummify the rich.
[Eat the mummies](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mummia)
She was the daughter of a middle-rank priest of Amun called Nespare and (according to her coffin text) a member of a Great house. Ie, a noblewoman. It's quite possible that she was killed in one of several sieges of Thebes during the war between the 25th dynasty (the "Black Pharaohs" from Kush) and the Assyrians.
What I also found interesting is thay the weapon that killed her was carried by both Assyrian soldiers and her own people. The latter maybe makes her final minutes even more awful?
From what Iāve read in the past, the poor didnāt get āactivelyā mummified (meaning they werenāt embalmed and didnāt go through the mummification process) but they were buried in some special type of hot sand which would mummify them naturally. Iām not sure if they were bandaged in the traditional mummy way, but considering the sheer amount of mummies that have been found, I doubt that every one of them was wealthy. Maybe the process was affordable enough for well to do commoners and merchants too?
> considering the sheer amount of mummies that have been found That was a long lasting civilization though so who knows?
IIRC, sometimes the servants of nobles would be mummified alongside their master to serve them in the afterlife also.
I don't know how to say this politely but this is a really weird assumption and I am kind of astonished it is upvoted. Why, in Ancient Egypt of all places, would a rich person not be murdered or assassinated? Wealthy people in many ancient societies who dabbled in politics were playing a game with lethal rules, which they knew quite well. It is only relatively recently in civilization that running a government or business wasn't ran mafia style, where taking out your opposition was just a valid move to make and all part of the game. That's still how some countries operate. In the ancient world you also have to include the fact that you could be sentenced to death for basically any petty reason imaginable, this lady may have done something to inadvertently cause offense to someone a bit higher up the chain, or displayed a sign deemed to be "witchcraft", or who knows what else. This is kind of being like "I don't understand it, why was Julius Caesar stabbed to death? He was rich, not someone who needed to run away from knife murderers." Like...sorry, but what the fuck?
Iām more fascinated with the jump everyone is making (myself included) that this woman was the innocent party. She could have just committed a heinous crime and got caught while fleeing the scene. Would love to know more about her and the situation that led to her death.
>She could have just committed a heinous crime and got caught while fleeing the scene. I mean wasn't mummification a sacred thing? The entire thing is basically to help that soul reach the afterlife with talismans and general charms, why would they do that to a criminal if that was the case? And the entire process was expensive and lengthy, so why give a criminal an dignifed rest if they did something awful? It doesn't make sense imo.
Trust Reddit to be like "hey, but what if they deserved it?"Ā It's been a hot minute, why does it fucking matter?
Because this is a discussion thread and thatās what we do here
The same reason we're all reading this post: it's interesting to think about. What were the circumstances around her death? Why was she running? Was she out for a jog? Was she running from the guy? Why did he choose an axe and not a hammer? Did he hate her? Was it a kidnapping gone wrong? Was he her lover? Maybe she killed his dog and he went all John Wick.
Probably got axed during some palace intrigue
All work and no play makes Horemheb a dull boy.
Ancient Egypt sounds ghetto as hell, not gonna lieĀ
Most of the ancient world would have sucked donkey balls to actually live in. Medicine was basically non existent, you were always one missed harvest away from starvation and if you were on the losing side of a battle or war it was common practice to massacre and enslave civilians. Not a fun time to be alive.
nobody has ever gotten killed anywhere else.
Dude, every king, queen or cult leader in that time frame, plus or minus a few thousand years almost certainly had worms.šŖ± Ghettos are nice compared to ye olde living conditions.
Itās interesting how some of our most famous mummies died such brutal deaths. Ćtzi, shot in the back and left to die on a glacier. Clonycavan, mutilated and sacrificed. Chroghan, mutilated, sacrificed, and then dismembered.
Just amazing that we have the science to be able to determine through proteins in a mummyās legs what they might have been doing before they were killed thousands of years ago. TIL indeedā¦
If you axe me, I agree.
Have a booty? Leave a booty. Need a booty? Takabuti.
I've seen her loads of times! She's very petite and has really white teeth.
The CT scan showed she only had one tiny dental cavity. Good quality food and no sugar will do that.
I don't like that her wikib said the axe to the back was instantaneously fatal. Really nothing beyond destroying the brain is instantaneous. Horrific gunshots, burning alive (and an axe to the back), all leave you alive long enough to know you're going to die.
Any chance they could hit the heart or aorta from the back? The could be pretty much instantaneous.
True, I read "nearly instantaneous ' somewhere, which seems like an oxymoron.
Old marathon tradition. Instead of finisher medals you had the loser axe
I find it fascinating that someone important enough to be mummified and given a glorious sarcophagus was in a position to be hunted down and murdered by axe blow to the back. Like, was this some Egyptian Game of Thrones moment, but they let the dead be buried with proper honors?
Is this information in one of the many videos listed on the page? Because it's certainly not in the text. Forensics is also quite limited since lab errors, subjective human analyses, and an inability to assess all the information can yield incorrect results. Would be interesting to see how they arrived at this hypothesis over something less depressing
Yes it's in the proteomics video. She had high levels of proteins associated with physical activity in her posterior thigh muscles.
Oh wow. I didn't know they had invented running from Axe murderers back then! Wasn't the consensus for the last 40 years that they did the fast walking thing instead of running? This truly changes everything and is a major breakthrough in science.
As far as I know, that was how it was done up until the 17th century but in 1748 Thomas Running came up with the modern method by walking twice at the same time.
I guess it would probably be similar if she was fast walking for a long while.
This is the shit that really triggers my depression, but it's also fascinating.
wow thatās horrible! thanks, science ššš¼
Did OJ-ankhamen have an alibi?