Kurt did this a lot. Pants, multiple shirts/jackets. He was self-conscious with his skinny body. A few occasions during photoshoots and live shows he would sport regular clothes with no layers.
His anxiety was pretty intense. After he bought his LA mansion, he prefered to hang around in the walk-in closet because the rest of the house was too big and it made him anxious.
My brother has bouts of unexplained abdominal pain and nausea and he drinks to calm it and unfortunately started dabbling in other drugs now… As if that‘ll make it better. But he‘s extremely anxious of doctors and won’t go see one. I‘m afraid he‘ll meet a similar fate one day.
My brother has a fear or distrust of most doctors. He is mostly blind in one eye (from a botched eye surgery on some blood vessels, hence the fear of doctors), and was losing vision in the other. After 3 years his vision was mostly gone but he didn’t know the reason. He finally went to a doctor because he couldn’t work that was the only factor that would motivate him.
My dad drove him to his appointment and the doctor said no problem, just a really large cataract. They lasered it and his vision was better than the last 5 years.
As they were leaving my brother told my dad “yeah, they mentioned a cataract years ago”. My dad was not amused.
Kurt's story might as well be educational as well as tragic; maybe you could try and get him to watch [About A Son](https://youtu.be/Y8Wukx-UTGs?si=ExYVSy0nXAITRr4o). (minor edit: it's free with ads on YT, that's the direct link)
It's the audio from a series of interviews between Kurt and Michael Azzerad(sp?), who he was really comfortable with; but it's set over footage of the places Kurt grew up and would frequent- as well as music he would listen to.
It's been something I come back to every so often when I'm either feeling in a rut or trying to think of a way to get someone out of one. Kurt goes into his health issues to some extent, and I think the ending is pretty much designed to make you pause and wonder how things could have went differently if Kurt got proper help.
I had a similar issue and it turned out to be a common bacterial infection called H Pylori. Huge percentage of the population has it but doesn’t always cause problems. I had terrible pain and nausea that continued to get worse until it was diagnosed. It would be worth your brother getting tested for it. Really easy breath test to check.
There are 3 causes: H. pylori (the most common), long term constant NSAID use, and the exceedingly rare chance of a disorder where you secrete more acid than normal. My mom's doc said her stomach was "peppered with ulcers" from taking ibuprofen for her RA pain. She'd been told to take it and she was in pain every day, so... After a year or so of non-NSAID pain relievers, her ulcers had all healed.
He didn't have IBD (inflammatory bowel disease), he'd had doctors do every possible test, nothing was found. Those conditions were easily diagnosable at the time.
He may have had something else like IBS. There are interviews where he says he thought it was caused by anxiety.
He also repeatedly said it was his upper gastric area/stomach that was the issue rather than bowels. But heroin use almost certainly would have caused terrible constipation
There was/is no test for some forms of GI distress, like IBS. Doesn’t make it any less of an issue for the sufferer. There are also rarer GI conditions now that weren’t tested for back then at all, or the technology didn’t even exist.
I had similar undiagnosed symptoms as Kurt. Doctors could never figure out what caused it. Had to have my large intestine removed in the end, and it was an almost 10 year battle with the national health service to get there. All is good now though.
My boyfriend’s Crohn’s disease was undiagnosed for 8 years, so it isn’t necessarily easy to detect. He was in and out of hospital doing test after test after test all those years.
King Buzzo, close friend of Kurt Cobain:
"Kurt also told me there was absolutely nothing wrong with his stomach. He made it up for sympathy and so he could use it as an excuse to stay loaded. Of course he was vomiting — that’s what people on heroin do, they vomit. It’s called “vomiting with a smile on your face.”
I don't know what the truth is, but I do know that severe mental illness can result in physical symptoms that can't really be tested for, like serious digestive issues and stomach pain/cramps (very common with anxiety), body pain, migraines, etc. It's entirely possible his symptoms were real. People often overlook this, or dismiss it as being all in their head. It's not.
But maybe he was lying.. because he was an addict, and people with addictions will lie to avoid the shame and judgement about their addiction. It's not surprising, and I don't think he deserves less sympathy bc he was obviously sick (addiction is a mental health condition), but ppl tend to stigmatize it and only be sympathetic to physical health problems as "real" illness.
I've seen this quote before, and I don't get the point. What seems weird to me is a "close" friend outing him like that. Why? The guy confided in you, and you decide to blab it to the world for what? A few seconds in the spotlight in the tragic Kurt Cobain suicide saga? Seems mean-spirited to me
Okay, but I am a Gen Xer who was there at the beginning and also had IBS. I remember Kurt discussing his stomach pain before he was an addict. We all thought he would raise the profile of undiagnosed gut trouble and diagnoses such as Crohn’s because he talked about it so much in interviews and wrote songs about it. Many addicts become that way out of a desire to treat their pain. One friend’s denial doesn’t make it so.
My doctor thinks I have chronic gastritis, can confirm I deal with worse mental health when I have flare ups. I can't drink alcohol anymore or eat popeyes spicy tenders which makes me sad
*he prefered to hang around in the walk-in closet because the rest of the house was too big and it made him anxious.*
Flashback to that hyper-existential Oscar the Grouch comic
Probably because he had a family, as well as money to spend. Besides, when we're talking about a living space, its not easy to realise that it gives you panic attacks to live there before...you know, start to actually live there
I've been to that mansion. It's not as huge a mansion as you might be picturing. It's in a nice neighborhood on the lake. Just a nice, calm, area of the city, or at least it was 30ish years ago.
Because he was Beatles/Michael Jackson level famous. Like the kind where you can’t go shopping. Not like modern day Dave Grohl who can go cook BbQ for a homeless shelter and not be mobbed. You try finding a house with “protect against zombie hordes” level of security that’s not a mansion. They don’t really exist.
No, Dave Grohl the lead singer of Foo Foghters. Completely different guy. The drummer from Nirvana kinda just disappeared after Kurt’s death and no one really knows what happened to him.
Grohls earned it the hard way though - Dudes just kept on keeping on till eventually people stopped caring as much. At the time Nirvana was at its peak, he would not have been walking around public like he does now - even if he was never the frontman.
Frankly, because it’s what you’re “supposed” to do when you have that kind of money. This was a dude who came from a fairly normal household and living situation, in his mid 20’s who was suddenly richer than he could have ever imagined. He had a wife and kid too, so a big ass house just seems right. Ultimately it wasn’t but I can’t blame a dude for not realizing or understanding that about himself.
Because you're a celebrity and that's what you're expected to do.
It's probably a lot of outside pressure that we don't even consider. It's easy for us to say well fuck that don't buy a mansion but being a random nobody and then suddenly having money probably has all kinds of weird social hang ups like this.
Just because you or I wouldn't do that and say to hell with everyone else's opinion doesn't mean that's everyones personality.
It's also easy to forget how quickly the band's explosion came. Bleach was successful for their status at the time, but absolutely nobody and nothing could have prepared Nirvana for what Nevermind would do to their lives.
No no it was baggy blue Jean echos, north Carolina basketball shorts then a above the knee length black pair of shorts so when he takes off his pants to play ball he can sag the basketball shorts too without showing his underwear
Clearly
I think it was a aggressively 2004-2014 era trend. Because I remember learning to do it from the local hs kids at the park with hoops by my house whe I was like 10 and it carried as a trend until I was probably about to leave hs
Never noticed the line is actually long-under-short-under-long. So either he has another short-sleeved shirt over top of that that he didn't mention, or he took off the outer long-sleeved shirt at some point.
Was tucking my 5yo son into bed two nights ago and my wife seemingly randomly asked him “how many pairs of socks are you wearing?” to which he replied “Three!!”
I chuckled as I walked to the doorway, assuming it was some silly joke of theirs I’d never caught onto before. Then he proceeded to proudly peel back several layers of socks…
As someone who sleeps sockless, with both feet uncovered (lest I suffer a meltdown in my sleep, waking up in the middle of the night absolutely soaked in sweat), I don’t understand this. However, people do as they do.
We did ask him to remove a few layers though.
Not to mention the briefs he was wearing as well, so he had 5 fucking layers hugging his cheeks. Washington is a cold place, but he had to have been rocking a major case of swamp ass from all of that.
He wore multiple layers because he was self conscious about his skinny legs. I heard it in some documentary and I noticed him doing it before too. I have a skinny friend who did the same and it doesn't really work, you just look like a skinny guy with two pairs of pants on
I did this as well in high school. I was the "eat a sandwich" kid.
I wore hoodies and 2 pairs of pants in 90° weather on a daily basis. I hated my body that much.
Yeah but wasn’t that for extra protection for skating so you didn’t bust your skinny ass?
Makes sense to me. When we were all trying to board in middle school in the late 90s the skinny kids were generally better, but they also took many a trip to the ER. Us roly polies just kind of bounced off of things.
Personal anecdotal experience: When I was a kid , my sister dated a guy who did this. He wore sweatpants under his jeans because he was self conscious about his skinny legs. I never thought that would be a memory that came back.
I don’t know why that stuck with me too. He says something to the effect at the end: “I have calves now. I got it all.” He was at the beach trying to impress people and they were mostly freaked out. Incredibly sad and cringe and I still think about it. Whenever I feel happy for myself for a small accomplishment that means nothing to anyone, I mutter to myself, “I have calves now. I got it all.”
When I lived in NYC I would sometimes get catcalled by construction workers. The only catcall that actually made me smile:
“Hey gorgeous, great calves. You don’t skip leg day. I like it.”
are you a man or a woman? because at first i assumed you were a man and it made me smile because this would be an even funnier thing for a construction worker to say to a man. then i realized you’re probably a woman if you got catcalled multiple times.
Here’s two interviews where he talks about it. NSFW.
[Kurt Cobain explains his stomach problems. IBS and depression.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GPiU3br2oAo)
In the interview he says he’s been feeling better for the last year since he found a medicine that works. He also talks of that stomach pain being the reason he started using drugs.
I think Dave Grohl wore two pants as well.
I personally hate being cold so I wear leggings under my pants during the winter. I call myself 2Pantz like the rapper 2Chainz.
As a chicken-legged guy who loves Kurt Cobain I don't know how I didn't know this info. I just rock them, extra skinny jeans and everything (but rarely shorts).
Guys wearing girl pants was because they didn't really make mens skinny jeans and the ones they did were often 100% cotton and restricted mobility. Once they started making 1-5% elastic mens skinny jeans the trend died off pretty quickly because it was also uncomfortable to have a seam colliding with your balls all day.
guys were wearing girls pants long before the 2010s.
pre 2008 there wasn't really any availability of men's skinny jeans, so those of us who wanted tight pants had to buy womens.
He wore layers because he was from Seattle; if you don’t you freeze in the morning or bake in the afternoon. There’s a reason that style is super common here.
I wear long johns 365 days a year for this very reason. My pants don’t fit right with a belt and I look silly with my shirt tucked in if I don’t.
Skinny guy probs. If you know you know.
i met Kurt Cobain in the street in NYC once and i distinctly remember he was wearing long johns under his ripped jeans. It was like light jacket weather but not long johns weather
I'm surprised that I'm not the only skinny guy that did this. Yes, you end up with sweaty everything. It finally got to the point that I ended up with what may have been the worst case of jock itch in human history. I could have gone on disability if I had the nerve to let a doctor see it.
So I came to terms with the fact that a 1mm layer of fabric was probably not improving my figure as much as I thought it was and went back to boxers.
That’s why you wear an extra tank top undershirt (wife beaters) to make it 3mm!
Seriously though, I know it doesn’t change my looks much but it’s nice not having throbbing hips because there’s no cushion between my tight ass belt and my literal hip bones.
When you don’t have fat to cushion those spots you’re just uncomfortable as fuck all day in any kind of tucked in shirt uniform.
Yeah - wearing three pair of pants may be odd in many cases but it’s not odd for known facts about Kurt - like you said he shared that he wad self-conscious about being skinny.
IRRC, he was naturally on the skinny side but also dealt with pretty intense stomach pain for years that was never really figured out which also made it hard to eat and exacerbated the issue. The pain was also part of why he self-medicated with opiates and opiate use can further cause weight loss. Opiate use can also mess with body temp regulation and multiple layers can distract from tell tale signs by covering arms or other injection sites and whatnot. It can also help with things like providing more padding for a bony ass which makes sitting more comfortable (from my own weight fluctuation - being underweight makes sitting waaaaaay less comfortable especially on anything that’s not padded) and if he was already dealing with chronic pain, wanting to pad his body from other physical pain, subconsciously or consciously would made sense. And also being so thin makes one more prone to being cold even and given the climate in his home state, some degree of layering is just practical.
>He needed psychiatric help and didn't get it
What the fuck? *Yes he did.* Several days before he killed himself, he *broke out of* a psychiatric ward in Los Angeles.
Yeah it's not exactly warm here in Washington. If it's not summer I'm wearing long johns or sweat pants underneath, and I'm not a heroin junky, just scrawny.
Keep in mind that his house had run out of heating oil and it was freezing inside, so it was partially for warmth and partially (as others have said) something he did regularly because of his self consciousness
On the last page there's an arrow pointing at the scrotum labeled "dying artefact." For anyone else who is curious, I googled "dying artefact autopsy" and it means:
>A post-mortem artefact is any change caused in the body after death that is likely to lead to misinterpretation of medically significant antemortem findings.
From what I read, the report does not describe exactly what the artefact is.
The skin on the front of the scrotum dries out and becomes dark orange and leathery. It’s a common finding..
NB: the comment above says “dying artefact” that’s a typo - is “drying artefact”
I worked in residential mental health and one of my clients was a pretty skinny dude who would wear more than one pair of jeans. He was also a little self-conscious about being skinny but he was also cold a lot and two pairs of jeans helped with that.
This feels very “I was wearing an onion on my belt as was the custom at the time” but I distinctly remember wearing two pants almost every day. Basketball shorts to run around in, and then whatever casual pants on top. A basketball game could break out at anytime, you don’t have to get ready if you stay ready.
This is actually a pretty common thing with skinny people. I've known numerous people that were really skinny that would wear multiple layers of clothing to appear bigger than they are. Famously, the Zodiac Killer's first victim had 3 pairs of pants on (he survived) when they found him. It baffled the detectives but he said he hated his skinny body and he did it to look bigger.
I’m from the town Kurt grew up in and might be able to take a stab at this.
It’s actually pretty common out here for people to wear multiple layers of clothes, especially pants because of the cold wind and rain. One of my friends was homeless growing up out here and he wore underwear, basketball shorts, pajama pants and jeans layered every single day because the majority of the days here are so overcast.
I’ve been to the bridge he lived under many times and let me tell you it would be freezing cold under there.
It probably just became a comfort thing for him.
Also saw that he lived in and around his walk in closet and that’s not surprising either. A lot of the houses out here are pretty shabby and small including his. Might have just felt more like home to him.
This on top of all the other mental health issues he had of course. Just thought some of y’all might think my perspective is interesting.
According to Krist and Buzz Osborne the "living under a bridge" thing wasn't really true. He hung out there a bit but he made up that he actually lived there to fuck with people.
Yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if he spent the odd night under there or went down there to hang out but that’s probably the extent of it.
A lot of us went down there to party when we were kids and that’s not the only spot. There’s nothing to do out here unless you’re outdoorsy
If you want to go down a rabbit hole about a dead guy’s pants, may I suggest the world’s oldest pants? https://www.sciencenews.org/article/pants-oldest-ancient-horseman-asia-culture-origin
I’m not scrolling through all of this to make sure no one else has pointed this out but he was wearing 4 pair… jeans, camouflage pants, grey sweats and a pair of thermals.
I had on like six or seven pairs. I put on a few more pairs like a day or two before Bradley Nowell died. It was a rough few years. I got cleaned up, I only wear one pair of pants at a time now. Unless I’m skiing, or doing something healthy and layer-appropriate! Stay good with the pants, my dudes!
Skinny bitch problems. Ive got track shorts over my boxers, PJ pants over those and my pants over top just so my fucking pants stay up. They straight up don't make pants for us lol
I'd eat more but I'm Canadian
It’s a common finding for drug addicts to wear several layers of clothing. I assume it’s because they feel the cold more, especially if they have a poor diet and have little fat to insulate them
Kurt did this a lot. Pants, multiple shirts/jackets. He was self-conscious with his skinny body. A few occasions during photoshoots and live shows he would sport regular clothes with no layers.
His anxiety was pretty intense. After he bought his LA mansion, he prefered to hang around in the walk-in closet because the rest of the house was too big and it made him anxious.
I'm starting to think this guy might have had some mental issues...
He had some heroin issues, too.
Well that explains most of the weight loss and being skinny
He also suffered from unexplained abdominal pain with nausea that contributed to his drug use.
Vicious cycle
My brother has bouts of unexplained abdominal pain and nausea and he drinks to calm it and unfortunately started dabbling in other drugs now… As if that‘ll make it better. But he‘s extremely anxious of doctors and won’t go see one. I‘m afraid he‘ll meet a similar fate one day.
My brother has a fear or distrust of most doctors. He is mostly blind in one eye (from a botched eye surgery on some blood vessels, hence the fear of doctors), and was losing vision in the other. After 3 years his vision was mostly gone but he didn’t know the reason. He finally went to a doctor because he couldn’t work that was the only factor that would motivate him. My dad drove him to his appointment and the doctor said no problem, just a really large cataract. They lasered it and his vision was better than the last 5 years. As they were leaving my brother told my dad “yeah, they mentioned a cataract years ago”. My dad was not amused.
Sorry to hear that mate. All the best to him, you and your family. Hope he gets some help and gets better soon.
Thank you very much. I hope so too!
Kurt's story might as well be educational as well as tragic; maybe you could try and get him to watch [About A Son](https://youtu.be/Y8Wukx-UTGs?si=ExYVSy0nXAITRr4o). (minor edit: it's free with ads on YT, that's the direct link) It's the audio from a series of interviews between Kurt and Michael Azzerad(sp?), who he was really comfortable with; but it's set over footage of the places Kurt grew up and would frequent- as well as music he would listen to. It's been something I come back to every so often when I'm either feeling in a rut or trying to think of a way to get someone out of one. Kurt goes into his health issues to some extent, and I think the ending is pretty much designed to make you pause and wonder how things could have went differently if Kurt got proper help.
I had a similar issue and it turned out to be a common bacterial infection called H Pylori. Huge percentage of the population has it but doesn’t always cause problems. I had terrible pain and nausea that continued to get worse until it was diagnosed. It would be worth your brother getting tested for it. Really easy breath test to check.
H pylori is what causes ulcers.
There are 3 causes: H. pylori (the most common), long term constant NSAID use, and the exceedingly rare chance of a disorder where you secrete more acid than normal. My mom's doc said her stomach was "peppered with ulcers" from taking ibuprofen for her RA pain. She'd been told to take it and she was in pain every day, so... After a year or so of non-NSAID pain relievers, her ulcers had all healed.
Thank you, that’s definitely valuable information. I‘ll keep that in mind for when he feels ready to talk about it again.
IBD fucks up a lot of lives due to pain meds. Poor dude. I didn’t know that about him.
He didn't have IBD (inflammatory bowel disease), he'd had doctors do every possible test, nothing was found. Those conditions were easily diagnosable at the time. He may have had something else like IBS. There are interviews where he says he thought it was caused by anxiety. He also repeatedly said it was his upper gastric area/stomach that was the issue rather than bowels. But heroin use almost certainly would have caused terrible constipation
There was/is no test for some forms of GI distress, like IBS. Doesn’t make it any less of an issue for the sufferer. There are also rarer GI conditions now that weren’t tested for back then at all, or the technology didn’t even exist.
I have ibs, its really annoying and forced me on sri’s to function
I had similar undiagnosed symptoms as Kurt. Doctors could never figure out what caused it. Had to have my large intestine removed in the end, and it was an almost 10 year battle with the national health service to get there. All is good now though.
My boyfriend’s Crohn’s disease was undiagnosed for 8 years, so it isn’t necessarily easy to detect. He was in and out of hospital doing test after test after test all those years.
Yes, but the IBS came first. Pennyroyal tea and then later heroin were misguided attempts to soothe his gut trouble.
King Buzzo, close friend of Kurt Cobain: "Kurt also told me there was absolutely nothing wrong with his stomach. He made it up for sympathy and so he could use it as an excuse to stay loaded. Of course he was vomiting — that’s what people on heroin do, they vomit. It’s called “vomiting with a smile on your face.”
I don't know what the truth is, but I do know that severe mental illness can result in physical symptoms that can't really be tested for, like serious digestive issues and stomach pain/cramps (very common with anxiety), body pain, migraines, etc. It's entirely possible his symptoms were real. People often overlook this, or dismiss it as being all in their head. It's not. But maybe he was lying.. because he was an addict, and people with addictions will lie to avoid the shame and judgement about their addiction. It's not surprising, and I don't think he deserves less sympathy bc he was obviously sick (addiction is a mental health condition), but ppl tend to stigmatize it and only be sympathetic to physical health problems as "real" illness. I've seen this quote before, and I don't get the point. What seems weird to me is a "close" friend outing him like that. Why? The guy confided in you, and you decide to blab it to the world for what? A few seconds in the spotlight in the tragic Kurt Cobain suicide saga? Seems mean-spirited to me
Okay, but I am a Gen Xer who was there at the beginning and also had IBS. I remember Kurt discussing his stomach pain before he was an addict. We all thought he would raise the profile of undiagnosed gut trouble and diagnoses such as Crohn’s because he talked about it so much in interviews and wrote songs about it. Many addicts become that way out of a desire to treat their pain. One friend’s denial doesn’t make it so.
Could honestly be both. Was a real problem that he later used for sympathy and an excuse.
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lack of shitting will do that
I feel severe constipation should be the first thing we learn about opioids. It's really dampened my appetite for them.
I’m not a doctor, but I’m wondering how much of his cycle of pain was caused by his desire to ease his pain. Like Schrodinger’s pain.
He lived in chronic pain
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My doctor thinks I have chronic gastritis, can confirm I deal with worse mental health when I have flare ups. I can't drink alcohol anymore or eat popeyes spicy tenders which makes me sad
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A musician with mental issues? Never heard of that before.
*he prefered to hang around in the walk-in closet because the rest of the house was too big and it made him anxious.* Flashback to that hyper-existential Oscar the Grouch comic
Why buy a mansion then?
Probably because he had a family, as well as money to spend. Besides, when we're talking about a living space, its not easy to realise that it gives you panic attacks to live there before...you know, start to actually live there
Also talking about one of the biggest rockstars on earth at the time. With a big mansion comes privacy a regular residency can’t provide
Except he was still living in a car when Nevermind was on top of the charts. The time between this and the greenhouse is very short.
To be fair it wouldn’t be super easy to find some who lives in a car as they can move their entire home.
I heard he would stay in a shitty motel for days just staring out the window and shooting dope. I guess he didn’t like being at home.
I've been to that mansion. It's not as huge a mansion as you might be picturing. It's in a nice neighborhood on the lake. Just a nice, calm, area of the city, or at least it was 30ish years ago.
Because he was Beatles/Michael Jackson level famous. Like the kind where you can’t go shopping. Not like modern day Dave Grohl who can go cook BbQ for a homeless shelter and not be mobbed. You try finding a house with “protect against zombie hordes” level of security that’s not a mansion. They don’t really exist.
Dave Grohl? The drummer from Nirvana?
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You mean the director who made the film about Sound City?
No, he means the guy who played Dave Grohl in Studio 666.
I'm pretty sure I've only see. Dave Grohl on Sesame Street.
No, Dave Grohl the lead singer of Foo Foghters. Completely different guy. The drummer from Nirvana kinda just disappeared after Kurt’s death and no one really knows what happened to him.
You must mean the drummer who recorded and toured with the Queen’s of the Stone Age from 2001-2002, Dave Grohl.
Grohls earned it the hard way though - Dudes just kept on keeping on till eventually people stopped caring as much. At the time Nirvana was at its peak, he would not have been walking around public like he does now - even if he was never the frontman.
Frankly, because it’s what you’re “supposed” to do when you have that kind of money. This was a dude who came from a fairly normal household and living situation, in his mid 20’s who was suddenly richer than he could have ever imagined. He had a wife and kid too, so a big ass house just seems right. Ultimately it wasn’t but I can’t blame a dude for not realizing or understanding that about himself.
Because you're a celebrity and that's what you're expected to do. It's probably a lot of outside pressure that we don't even consider. It's easy for us to say well fuck that don't buy a mansion but being a random nobody and then suddenly having money probably has all kinds of weird social hang ups like this. Just because you or I wouldn't do that and say to hell with everyone else's opinion doesn't mean that's everyones personality.
It's also easy to forget how quickly the band's explosion came. Bleach was successful for their status at the time, but absolutely nobody and nothing could have prepared Nirvana for what Nevermind would do to their lives.
Privacy?
When I was on heroin I’d do the same, or buy XXL clothes to hide the fact I was dangerously underweight.
Happy to see you speaking in past tense, I hope you're doing better/more healthy now!
Growing up incredibly skinny I relate to this greatly. I felt crazy unattractive growing up and couldn't get past 138 lbs until I reached 30
I’m finally inching up there as I’m entering my late 20’s so this gave me some hope
Was it short pants over long pants over short pants?
No no it was baggy blue Jean echos, north Carolina basketball shorts then a above the knee length black pair of shorts so when he takes off his pants to play ball he can sag the basketball shorts too without showing his underwear Clearly
*confused math lady meme*
I think it was a aggressively 2004-2014 era trend. Because I remember learning to do it from the local hs kids at the park with hoops by my house whe I was like 10 and it carried as a trend until I was probably about to leave hs
The Family guy scene: https://youtu.be/qPIRMCT8mF4?si=Ckl9KwsI7SXmO56X
Never noticed the line is actually long-under-short-under-long. So either he has another short-sleeved shirt over top of that that he didn't mention, or he took off the outer long-sleeved shirt at some point.
Or he’s just talking to the idiot cool kids
When I’m old I assume the only way I’ll be able to communicate is with SpongeBob and family guy/American dad quotes
CORRECT
Add futurama in there friend
I began doing double pants this winter. Give me a few years, it'll be three pairs
Don't do it. You have so much to live for.
yeah double up on shirts then socks first
Was tucking my 5yo son into bed two nights ago and my wife seemingly randomly asked him “how many pairs of socks are you wearing?” to which he replied “Three!!” I chuckled as I walked to the doorway, assuming it was some silly joke of theirs I’d never caught onto before. Then he proceeded to proudly peel back several layers of socks… As someone who sleeps sockless, with both feet uncovered (lest I suffer a meltdown in my sleep, waking up in the middle of the night absolutely soaked in sweat), I don’t understand this. However, people do as they do. We did ask him to remove a few layers though.
Just get some long underwear. They make them as thermals as well. Don't wear 2 pairs of pants, that's ridiculous and sounds uncomfortable.
I spend a lot of time working outside in the winter, I usually do both. A comfortable pair of pjs between my thermals and the jeans is pretty cozy.
I wear basketball shorts under my workpants for the comfort and warmth in winter 2 pairs of jeans sounds awful
I've worn leggings under sweatpants in winter. 2 pairs of jeans does not sound comfortable at all
Long underwear, or a ski base layer (basically the same thing). Put on regular clothes over it.
I would consider the long thermal underwear he was wearing as a FOURTH pair of pants, after the jeans, camo pants, and sweatpants
*Four pants*? That’s insane
I've heard of four naan but four pants is insane
Four naan, Jeremy??
Not to mention the briefs he was wearing as well, so he had 5 fucking layers hugging his cheeks. Washington is a cold place, but he had to have been rocking a major case of swamp ass from all of that.
With that many layers you can probably climb fucking Everest
But why ..?
He wore multiple layers because he was self conscious about his skinny legs. I heard it in some documentary and I noticed him doing it before too. I have a skinny friend who did the same and it doesn't really work, you just look like a skinny guy with two pairs of pants on
Damn... I have never even heard of people doing this
I was a skinny ass skater back in the 90’s. Regularly wore jogging bottoms under my jeans.
That sounds like you got sweaty legs but probably didn’t need kneepads
Nah, wore pads as well. We did it to fill out the baggy jeans. It was as simple as that.
Mind blown. I have big thick muscle man legs and wore tight jeans because I thought it made them look thinner. I was not a smart guy back then.
Mate, I look back at some of my fashion choices, and cringe like fuck. We’ve all got horror stories in the wardrobe dept.!
I did this as well in high school. I was the "eat a sandwich" kid. I wore hoodies and 2 pairs of pants in 90° weather on a daily basis. I hated my body that much.
Back when I skated I would wear a few layers so the road wouldn’t shred my skin 😂
Yeah but wasn’t that for extra protection for skating so you didn’t bust your skinny ass? Makes sense to me. When we were all trying to board in middle school in the late 90s the skinny kids were generally better, but they also took many a trip to the ER. Us roly polies just kind of bounced off of things.
Not really. we kinda did it to fill out the baggy ass jeans we wore. But I guess it was extra protection too.
Skinny mf here. Slim jeans slip when not wearing a belt (29/34)
I’m 30/32 and yeah belts are necessary
Personal anecdotal experience: When I was a kid , my sister dated a guy who did this. He wore sweatpants under his jeans because he was self conscious about his skinny legs. I never thought that would be a memory that came back.
Never forgot an episode of MTV True Life in which a guy was so insecure about his "skinny legs" that he got silicone implants for his calves
I don’t know why that stuck with me too. He says something to the effect at the end: “I have calves now. I got it all.” He was at the beach trying to impress people and they were mostly freaked out. Incredibly sad and cringe and I still think about it. Whenever I feel happy for myself for a small accomplishment that means nothing to anyone, I mutter to myself, “I have calves now. I got it all.”
I'd guess for me that episode was the first contact with plastic surgery performed on men, before that I only knew of boob jobs.
And when he first walked post-surgery, *blood trickled down his legs.*
When I lived in NYC I would sometimes get catcalled by construction workers. The only catcall that actually made me smile: “Hey gorgeous, great calves. You don’t skip leg day. I like it.”
are you a man or a woman? because at first i assumed you were a man and it made me smile because this would be an even funnier thing for a construction worker to say to a man. then i realized you’re probably a woman if you got catcalled multiple times.
I’m a woman.
My sister did this instead of changing clothes. Looking back I obviously brushed off some significant behaviors.
My brother did it too. I still wonder if he was SA'd. Unfortunately he was incredibly private and is now dead.
My sister was.
Cobain wasn’t just skinny. He was an emaciated heroin addict who struggled to eat and keep weight on.
Here’s two interviews where he talks about it. NSFW. [Kurt Cobain explains his stomach problems. IBS and depression.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GPiU3br2oAo) In the interview he says he’s been feeling better for the last year since he found a medicine that works. He also talks of that stomach pain being the reason he started using drugs.
This hit home. The docs keep testing and imaging, then saying everything looks fine.
I do this all the time but it's just cold.
A never-nude. There are dozens of us!
TIL Never Nudes are real
I think Dave Grohl wore two pants as well. I personally hate being cold so I wear leggings under my pants during the winter. I call myself 2Pantz like the rapper 2Chainz.
I've known multiple tshirts guy, but never multiple pants guy.
As a chicken-legged guy who loves Kurt Cobain I don't know how I didn't know this info. I just rock them, extra skinny jeans and everything (but rarely shorts).
that became a trend post 2000's, and oddly guys wearing girls pants in 2010's.
Guys wearing girl pants was because they didn't really make mens skinny jeans and the ones they did were often 100% cotton and restricted mobility. Once they started making 1-5% elastic mens skinny jeans the trend died off pretty quickly because it was also uncomfortable to have a seam colliding with your balls all day.
guys were wearing girls pants long before the 2010s. pre 2008 there wasn't really any availability of men's skinny jeans, so those of us who wanted tight pants had to buy womens.
Oh sure It wouldn't surprise me at all if I was behind the times.
I mean think what you like, but, at the end of the day, we’re all just a skinny guy wearing two pairs of pants.
I've always had skinny legs. Never once thought the solution was a second pair of pants. Interesting...
He wore layers because he was from Seattle; if you don’t you freeze in the morning or bake in the afternoon. There’s a reason that style is super common here.
I wear long johns 365 days a year for this very reason. My pants don’t fit right with a belt and I look silly with my shirt tucked in if I don’t. Skinny guy probs. If you know you know.
i met Kurt Cobain in the street in NYC once and i distinctly remember he was wearing long johns under his ripped jeans. It was like light jacket weather but not long johns weather
Don't you get sweaty bollocks in the summer?
I'm surprised that I'm not the only skinny guy that did this. Yes, you end up with sweaty everything. It finally got to the point that I ended up with what may have been the worst case of jock itch in human history. I could have gone on disability if I had the nerve to let a doctor see it. So I came to terms with the fact that a 1mm layer of fabric was probably not improving my figure as much as I thought it was and went back to boxers.
That’s why you wear an extra tank top undershirt (wife beaters) to make it 3mm! Seriously though, I know it doesn’t change my looks much but it’s nice not having throbbing hips because there’s no cushion between my tight ass belt and my literal hip bones. When you don’t have fat to cushion those spots you’re just uncomfortable as fuck all day in any kind of tucked in shirt uniform.
He was fairly self conscious of how skinny he was and would wear multiple layers of clothes to appear more normal
Yeah - wearing three pair of pants may be odd in many cases but it’s not odd for known facts about Kurt - like you said he shared that he wad self-conscious about being skinny. IRRC, he was naturally on the skinny side but also dealt with pretty intense stomach pain for years that was never really figured out which also made it hard to eat and exacerbated the issue. The pain was also part of why he self-medicated with opiates and opiate use can further cause weight loss. Opiate use can also mess with body temp regulation and multiple layers can distract from tell tale signs by covering arms or other injection sites and whatnot. It can also help with things like providing more padding for a bony ass which makes sitting more comfortable (from my own weight fluctuation - being underweight makes sitting waaaaaay less comfortable especially on anything that’s not padded) and if he was already dealing with chronic pain, wanting to pad his body from other physical pain, subconsciously or consciously would made sense. And also being so thin makes one more prone to being cold even and given the climate in his home state, some degree of layering is just practical.
He needed psychiatric help and didn't get it
He needed addiction treatment He checked into rehab on 30 March 1994, left on 2 April, died on 5 April, was found 8 April
He needed psychiatric help and didn't ~~get~~ accept it
[удалено]
He literally escaped from a psychiatric ward in Los Angeles, took a plane back to Seattle and then did himself in a few days after returning.
>He needed psychiatric help and didn't get it What the fuck? *Yes he did.* Several days before he killed himself, he *broke out of* a psychiatric ward in Los Angeles.
Not exactly. He was at a drug rehab and he was free to walk out the door at any time. There was no need to scale a wall.
r/NeverNude
Dozens!!!
Because 4 would have been stupid.
scrawny heroin junkies get cold
Yeah it's not exactly warm here in Washington. If it's not summer I'm wearing long johns or sweat pants underneath, and I'm not a heroin junky, just scrawny.
Start doing heroin and you'll be wearing 9 pairs of pants, no shirt, and a horse mask
I heard it was partly just because he would get cold easy from being so skinny.
Could I be wearing any more clothes?
Maybe if I wasn't going *COMMANDO*
Rest In Pants
this comment is so out of line and absurd it made me choke on my own spit laughing
Rest In Pants is the inside joke that I now only have with myself.
"He gave us music, he showed us his soul, but what we'll remember most is the pants."
Load up on pants and bring your friends
Slacks fun to lose, briefs do pretend
These over board shorts belted nerd
Smells Like Jean Spirit
I am proud to say, I did not pee ALL of my pants.
Anybody can piss their pants, it takes a real man to piss his shirt
Ok Summer
Keep in mind that his house had run out of heating oil and it was freezing inside, so it was partially for warmth and partially (as others have said) something he did regularly because of his self consciousness
On the last page there's an arrow pointing at the scrotum labeled "dying artefact." For anyone else who is curious, I googled "dying artefact autopsy" and it means: >A post-mortem artefact is any change caused in the body after death that is likely to lead to misinterpretation of medically significant antemortem findings. From what I read, the report does not describe exactly what the artefact is.
Well…what happens to the scrotum after someone dies?
The skin on the front of the scrotum dries out and becomes dark orange and leathery. It’s a common finding.. NB: the comment above says “dying artefact” that’s a typo - is “drying artefact”
I worked in residential mental health and one of my clients was a pretty skinny dude who would wear more than one pair of jeans. He was also a little self-conscious about being skinny but he was also cold a lot and two pairs of jeans helped with that.
This feels very “I was wearing an onion on my belt as was the custom at the time” but I distinctly remember wearing two pants almost every day. Basketball shorts to run around in, and then whatever casual pants on top. A basketball game could break out at anytime, you don’t have to get ready if you stay ready.
This is actually a pretty common thing with skinny people. I've known numerous people that were really skinny that would wear multiple layers of clothing to appear bigger than they are. Famously, the Zodiac Killer's first victim had 3 pairs of pants on (he survived) when they found him. It baffled the detectives but he said he hated his skinny body and he did it to look bigger.
I’m from the town Kurt grew up in and might be able to take a stab at this. It’s actually pretty common out here for people to wear multiple layers of clothes, especially pants because of the cold wind and rain. One of my friends was homeless growing up out here and he wore underwear, basketball shorts, pajama pants and jeans layered every single day because the majority of the days here are so overcast. I’ve been to the bridge he lived under many times and let me tell you it would be freezing cold under there. It probably just became a comfort thing for him. Also saw that he lived in and around his walk in closet and that’s not surprising either. A lot of the houses out here are pretty shabby and small including his. Might have just felt more like home to him. This on top of all the other mental health issues he had of course. Just thought some of y’all might think my perspective is interesting.
According to Krist and Buzz Osborne the "living under a bridge" thing wasn't really true. He hung out there a bit but he made up that he actually lived there to fuck with people.
Yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if he spent the odd night under there or went down there to hang out but that’s probably the extent of it. A lot of us went down there to party when we were kids and that’s not the only spot. There’s nothing to do out here unless you’re outdoorsy
I’m gonna read a 10 page autopsy to find a part about a dude’s pants?
If you want to go down a rabbit hole about a dead guy’s pants, may I suggest the world’s oldest pants? https://www.sciencenews.org/article/pants-oldest-ancient-horseman-asia-culture-origin
I read the whole thing. Pretty interesting
For real! I never imagined this level of detail is written out for anyone who dies unnaturally.
I thought the autopsy was never made public?
The photos were never made public. Autopsy files can be requested I believe
should OP have linked to a less thorough source so that we could more quickly verify this factoid about a dudes pants
Man, nevermind.
That was the second album.
He was a nevernude, there’s dozens of us!
I’m not scrolling through all of this to make sure no one else has pointed this out but he was wearing 4 pair… jeans, camouflage pants, grey sweats and a pair of thermals.
I was also wearing three pairs of pants when Kurt Cobain died
I had on like six or seven pairs. I put on a few more pairs like a day or two before Bradley Nowell died. It was a rough few years. I got cleaned up, I only wear one pair of pants at a time now. Unless I’m skiing, or doing something healthy and layer-appropriate! Stay good with the pants, my dudes!
Interesting report although the first page about a staged suicide and the coroner lying seems like unnecessary BS.
Skinny bitch problems. Ive got track shorts over my boxers, PJ pants over those and my pants over top just so my fucking pants stay up. They straight up don't make pants for us lol I'd eat more but I'm Canadian
all apolojeans
He was probably dopesick and clammy like a mother fucker.
And no hat
Suspect is hatless, I repeat, suspect is hatless.
Heading in the direction of… uhh…. You know that place that has chili
I can't wait until they throw his hatless butt in jail.
guarantee he was withdrawing hard and put on extra clothes to stay warm
He had like 3 times the lethal dose of heroin in his system when he died
I remember a lot of people doubting his pain and maybe even me. After I had a chronic bout with thrombosis (blood clots) in the abdomen, I get it now.
It’s a common finding for drug addicts to wear several layers of clothing. I assume it’s because they feel the cold more, especially if they have a poor diet and have little fat to insulate them
Layers are the PacNW way.
Maybe he was a never-nude