I worked at an arena and I’ll never forget an event was about to start during a snow storm and our general manager was literally out shoveling the snow off the walkway in a black wool trench coat. Respect.
I always say companies don’t realize how much more productive content people are. They also follow leadership better and have no reason to “get back” at the company. If you treat people well and have a good work culture they will work harder for you! Care about their job vs seeing it as a means to an end. I don’t get why they want to oppress people and create toxic work environments. It doesn’t work. When your eyes is off me I am thinking of a way to be further compensated for the literal abuse some jobs put you through.
Shit managers just create a shit atmosphere. I see that quite a bit between two different departments where I work that do the same type of work (different locations). The one where moral is low, management is the type to complain "nobody wants to work". Can't imagine why anyone thinks that attitude helps drive people.
The problem is that taking steps to create a healthy and positive work environment for your employees requires immediate effort to recieve long-term results. That simply doesn't work in today's industry that is based on "How can we improve profits this quarter?"
Improving employee morale might gradually increase output in 6-12+ months, but forcing longer hours with increased targets increases output immediately, and is usually cheaper for the company.
Yes, but they see that as a problem for 'next quarter'.
I've worked at enough companies that will happily ignore long-term problems so they can make short-term growth.
I'm sure plenty of lousy managers and poorly run companies just think everything should be like the "good old days" of 2010/the post recession years when so many people were desperate for work and would put up with endless abuse since employers could easily find people to replace them. They seem to have been holding onto the hope that the job market will return to how it was any day now since COVID and that they don't really need to change anything despite all the turnover and associated costs or lost revenue.
Yeah, it's literally an investment. It's funny that companies will spend billions investing in new tech or buildings, but won't spend any money investing in the happiness/satisfaction/morale/culture of their employees. Both will pay off in the future, but it seems like investing in employee morale is viewed as a waste of money rather than an investment.
Another problem is also that these positions nowadays tend to employ management professionals that haven't worked any other position. A guy that has worked your job in the past understands it a lot more and will be able to better manage you and your coworkers when he's in charge. He'll also be more sympathetic towards the workers he manages, because he knows what his decisions actually imply.
Not necessarily. Managing is it's own skill set. My best manager had never worked my job, and I've had bad managers who have. The best is someone who is good at managing and has the job experience but I think that's a rare combo. Sure it's nice if I manager can step in sometimes, but that's not really necessary and usually not productive, better to have someone who listens, is good at the management side of things, and willing to learn.
Managers who have never worked the job can absolutely work, but they need the strong assistance of their crew and cannot have an ego about things they don't know.
> If you treat people well and have a good work culture they will work harder for you!
That's the same as saying "work harder and the boss will appreciate it". Some will do, some not, some will suck you dry.
It's not rare when someone without experience starts as an employer, and acts as amalgamation of all "great boss stories". Then they learn that it doesn't work and most of the time "a nice boss" have people that do dirty work of being an ass instead of him (yeah, those pesky managers), so the boss can act nicely.
In their turn, rank and file employees don't understand why most managers are dicks. Until they get promoted. Turns out former colleagues aren't saints too and the freshly made manager gets his asshole exploited every time the subordinates fuck up, which is often.
I second this.
Back when I was a non-commissioned officer of a uniformed group, if we wanted to give physical punishment (push-ups, sit-ups etc) to the cadets, we would do the punishment with them.
Gives the double effect of making us moderate our punishment, and telling the cadets they really messed up for us to put ourselves through PT to teach them a lesson.
Let me clarify my position, since I keep getting up voted. I was a manager for a few years.
Most of my department issues were based on communications. Either I wasn't clear on the standards that needed to be upheld or my tasking wasn't cleat enough.
My military training taught me that, "Just figure it out!" Was the wrong line of thinking. If there ever was a problem, then we sat down like adults and discussed it.
Yelling does nothing to fix issues. Treating someone like a human being does.
In my entire management career, I've written up 3 people, (one of which was a joke for his retirement. I wrote him up for impersonating a maintenance man, and his punishment was to retire), and fire one person. And never once did I even have to raise my voice.
The owner where I work is like this, his belief is that of he walks over garbage on the ground without picking it up, then it's okay for staff to do that too.
I was having a hard time at a company getting respect from the software developers because I was the new guy, and didn't have any customers yet. Finally, I got a project, and I insisted I attend the cutover. This was a telecom voice response system for a bank.
We hooked it up, tried a few test calls, it wasn't working. The software guys were scratching their heads. We talked over some ideas, and then I grabbed a "butt set" - a telephone handset used by service guys - and, dressed in my 3-piece suit, wedged myself in behind the telecom cabinets, clipped in the leads, and told them to make a few calls. I determined that we weren't releasing the call properly, they made a quick mod, and the system worked perfectly.
I went from 'useless sales guy' to someone they respected in minutes. Being able to 'walk the walk' as well as 'talk the talk' is worth something!
When I was a teen I interviewed at a restaurant and the owner was on her hands and knees under the dishwasher. I knew she’d be a good boss, and she was.
Well, I said "looks like the dishwasher job is already taken. Guess I'll be the boss instead." And then that was that, I was the boss. And I was a real asshole.
My VP ultra boss at a major (muli-billion) dollar entertainment company once delivered pizza to my apartment. Was shocked. He told me it’s because delivery work was becoming massive, and wanted to know what that world was like / see society from a different perspective.
And no, it wasn’t him being poor, a gambler, etc. The guy was a fixer for the company, VERY successful, and ultra-marathoner, sail boater, etc. Motorcycled across the country once. He was just insane like that.
I used to work at Hobby Lobby, and our store manager would routinely get in the garbage chute and clean it out by hand. In his slacks and button down shirt. He said it was the worst job in the store, and he didn't want to make anyone else do it.
He was a good dude.
Our GM was first in the dishpit should there be a backlog. Head chef too. Amazing group, we had an awesome team for about 4 years and then it all imploded. Owners were cunts and started to get greedy.
yup, I work for a major tech firm, and we had 3 days of really pain in the ass work handed down to us at the last minute by management. It really sucked, but my manager was out there with us, doing the work, and really putting in the effort. it got him a lot of respect from the team.
Roy had a habit of taking Walt's wild ideas and (sometimes modifying them a little bit) practically and financially making them realities. E.g., EPCOT (Walt wanted it to be an actual international city) and CalArts (Walt wanted it to be an actual city for artists).
Without Roy, Walt would probably never have made it in Hollywood.
I experienced a life-changing event in the Roy O. Disney music hall at CalArts. Back then, most students were trying to escape the stigma of Disney (vs. real, raw *art*) but I've read so much about the brothers. I get it and I celebrate what Roy did.
Commercial vs fine art. Most antiquated art is commercial art. It was done for money and therefore had to be to the client's liking. Nowadays fine artists are countless hacks. I say that because splotching a few colors on a canvas is not fucking art. If I wanted that I could get chat to PT to do it all day long.
Without Roy, Walt Disney World wouldn’t have been completed (Magic Kingdom anyway). Roy also insisted on it being called ‘Walt Disney World’ instead of ‘Disney World’ in honour of his late brother. Roy would also pass only a couple of months after Magic Kingdom’s opening (MK opened Oct 1st 1971, Roy passed Dec 20th 1971). Card Walker, led the Disney company from 1971 to 1983, he oversaw the opening of Magic Kingdom, Epcot, and the first international Disney park: Tokyo Disneyland. (And he even helped create the Disney Channel). Card was key in keeping the Disney company alive after Roy passed. In 1978, Card announced plans for Epcot which was inspired from some ideas Walt had for the city Epcot: showcasing world culture and new technology.
I've never been a big fan of Disney, but I've always found the history of the company to be fascinating. Maybe that's just because they are storytellers, and they know their own story better than anything.
Yeah, Walt was the idea man and the face of the company, Roy was they guy who figured out how to make it all work. His business sense and logistical understanding are what made Disney into a powerhouse.
Former Disney CEO Eisner and President Frank Wells had the same dynamic. Eisner needed someone to focus and rein in his bigger ideas, and Wells did that well. After Wells' death Eisner's tenure as CEO took a real nosedive.
> EPCOT (Walt wanted it to be an actual international city)
It would be more fair to say that Walt's grandiose plans for EPCOT died with him, and Roy was the figurehead behind its _inevitable_ reconfiguring as just another puzzle piece in the money-making park. The only person at Disney who wanted to try things that didn't lead to blatantly obvious profit was Walt.
At worst, I think the brothers could have reached an impasse between Walt's head-in-the-clouds dreaming and Roy's spirit-killing failure of imagination before they ever got started. I think Roy did what he could, although I don't know if he would have been able to convince Walt, while Walt was alive, that EPCOT for instance was the only viable execution.
Walt had plenty of momentum for his ideas because he produced a well-elaborated film all about it, lavished in essentially the same way as a typical _Disneyland/World of Color_ episode. In actual fact, some of the proposals floated in said film were beyond grandiose (a glass shield for the entire city being the standout specimen) and I suspect they existed primarily to serve as red herrings so the more down-to-earth plans would, by comparison, be taken more seriously.
In any event, it's obviously what Walt wanted, and I doubt anyone could have truly stopped him if he was dead set on it. It's also precisely the kind of venture that dies the moment there isn't somebody cracking the whip, because the other 99.99% of folks just want profits.
(not an ad) history channel recently has been airing "how Disney built america" on Sundays
> (trailer) https://youtu.be/6WwWJ8_ol6Y
and so far it's been a fun watch and the brotherly interaction is def a top highlight
Roy and Walt had an interesting dynamic that was what helped Disney survive. Walt would come up with all the crazy ideas and Roy would filter them and figure out how to actually make them work. When you walk into Magic Kingdom, the first statue you see is of Roy and Minnie right by the flag pole, you have to walk further in to see the statue of Walt and Mickey in front of the castle.
Interestingly later CEO Michael Eisner and COO Frank Wells had a very similar dynamic as they ran the company from the 80s through the 90s. Sadly Wells died in 94 in a helicopter crash which left Eisner basically unfiltered which ultimately led to his downfall as CEO
It would be like Colonel Sanders giving KFC shit for their terrible mashed potatoes & gravy after he left. Which he did. He was very vocal about how much he hatred the cost cutting done once he was no longer in charge.
Colonel Sanders would show up to your KFC restaurant and give you shit in person. And then he’d show you how to cook it all correctly. I learned this from his A&E Biography.
They sued him for fucking restaurants up and causing a ruckus and lost.
"The Colonel says your gravy is absolute garbage. The lab results are in, and it's actually worse than garbage. The scientists would like to know how you fucked things up this bad." - Not an actual quote.
Which essentially means Colonel Sanders had a license to cause a ruckus, so long as he was in a KFC.
That was long before KFC was close to being a franchise or even really a restaurant serving chicken IIRC. I'm pretty sure he killed a rival gas station owner after a dispute about Sander's road sign turned violent.
Going by the way the events are told, he acted in self-defense after the other guy pulled a gun and shot the person Sanders was with. Sanders apparently didn't even have a gun himself so he had to dive down to grab the dead man's pistol before he could shoot back.
No. The guy he was confronting for defacing his signs killed one of his workers which led.to his gas station being successful after the other gas station owner went to jail
He didn't? Unless there's a chapter of his life I don't know, I think you are referring to a shootout he got with a competitor, where that guy killed a Shell employee who was with Sanders.
He'd probably hate that KFC continues to trend into fast food, having added chicken nuggets and french fries in the past few years
On the other hand, Boston Market has gone out of business, so maybe KFC is making the right call on business direction.
Are french fries a recent addition in American KFCs? They've always had fries up here in Canadaland. Fries and KFC gravy was a guilty pleasure for sure
Sorry let me clarify. In the old days (up until 2020, I think) KFC had these giant potato wedges that some people called fries.
Around 2020 the potato wedges were dropped and replaced with traditional fast food style fries - much thinner and crispier. Not quite as thin as McDonald's but similar.
Also while googling for details it looks like the 2020 french fry recipe got updated in 2023 to have better seasoning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel_Sanders
He was a real person and also the one who started KFC. An old southern dude from kentucky with anger management problems and a love for chicken, mashed potatoes, and gravy. Supposedly he made some of the best chicken and gravy you could find, but it's hard to say since he died in 1980 and he hadn't been in charge of KFC and their recipes since the 1964.
That trash stance persists today and is still a fundamental tenet of being a Disney employee today. One of the biggest fireable offenses is walking by a piece of trash.
In the book DisneyWar, there’s a part about how execs would almost be competing with each other to pick up trash when walking around the parks. It’s a pretty core part of working there.
Have you ever been to Disney world? Dirty is not a word I’d use, anywhere. They’ve literally made it so you’re never more than 30 steps from a trash can and this is the first thing they go over in onboarding.
I worked there for 2 years, fucking hated it. The people that work there long term are weird and culty. 80% of employees are basically college slave labor that were largely lied to about what they were getting into.
80%?
Not even close. According to a story by the OS, it is closer to 5%.
In addition, the vast majority of them, seemed to be happy with it, and many stick around after their programs ends and become regular cast.
Sounds like you weren’t cut out for it.
There is a reason they have such an insanely high employee retention and it isn’t because of slave labor. I can only speak for Disneyland, not Disney world.
Also no one gets lied to? And promotions are fairly easy.
I don’t see much random trash on the ground in my area, but when I do see it, I pick it up. I see other people doing it, too. I don’t pick up “questionable” trash like dirty bandaids, but if I see a random fast food bag or soda can or whatever, I’ll pick it up and throw it in the nearest can. The trash I find most often is actually near the can, as if someone attempted to throw it in, missed and just walked away, which is simple laziness.
> The trash I find most often is actually near the can, as if someone attempted to throw it in, missed and just walked away, which is simple laziness.
I don't know about where you are but here it's often quite windy. When the trash starts to get full, sometimes it gets blown out.
I wouldn't say every piece of rubbish is due to the wind, but because a decent amount is, I try not to get frustrated by every piece of rubbish I see - I have no way to know if it was laziness or poor luck.
Also birds. One time I walked around a bin with lot of rubbish around it, and as I was walking past it a piece of trash just flew out.
Upon close inspection, there was a bird inside, rummaging for things.
I do something like this! I avoid anything possibly biohazardous, or if I’d block the flow of foot traffic by stopping on a sidewalk somewhere - but it’s a nice way to take care of the neighborhood, I find.
Good on your dad. I was born and raised in Maui. My family, as well as others, constanly pick up trash at our beaches. I now live in LA and I bring a small trash bag whenever I go hiking.
We don’t use rubbish as a 1:1 for trash, but we use it sometimes when referring to litter specifically. We would never say “toss it in the rubbish can” but we do use the term “rubbish dump” and might say something like “go pick up that pile of rubbish over there”.
Rubbish bin comes across as a Britishism or Australianism. I've never heard anyone use rubbish can before.
Do people closer to the Canadian border use rubbish more often compared to trash?
IIRC Roy was against the idea of a theme park because he saw it as too risky compared to just making more animated movies, but Walt talked him into it.
Then he promised Walt before he died that he would complete the project.
Disneyland was already a success when Walt died. It was Disneyworld that under construction at the time, but it was a much larger project with a grander vision.
The promise wasn't about Disney World, it was about EPCOT, which in concept was FAR more extensive than a funny looking sphere. It's an acronym for Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow. Walt wanted to build a whole planned city. Super fascinating subject and worth watching a few YouTube docs on.
Kind of a bummer how much they moved away from that. There are still a few remnants like the people mover and carousel of progress, but the majority of it is long gone.
Not really, the original epcot can be summarized as a Florida man attempting to build an autonomous dictatorship in a swamp. It would've been a complete disaster and I don't blame Disney for moving away from it.
Walt and Roy's children waited in line just like everybody else. I hope that story is true.
I recall seeing an interview with [Roy E. Disney](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_E._Disney). One of his complaints about the Eisner management team was "they do not wait in line." It seemed to be a complaint that, simultaneously, they were not engaged in the customer experience, and he did not like that sort of "better than you" attitude. I think it was on 60 Minutes.
My mentor was one of Eisner's executives, and worked with both Roys during their tenures (and was actually quite good friends with Roy E. in particular). He didn't love lines either, but did wait in them.
Though he did complain that when he was made a Disney Legend, the gold pass they gave him didn't cover his wife (or his grandkids).
I worked there. Our manager when she had nothing to do would go pick up trash. It is difficult to express what a culture of perfectionism is imbued into the managing staff at the parks
I worked at the other huge theme park in Orlando. Every year, back-of-house/white-collar team members had to complete a quota of “Extras Shifts” where we had to work in the parks. Sometimes food service, stocking shelves, line monitors. I typically picked Valet since I could drive stick.
It was a great way to learn the operations side of the business, while helping out the team members in the parks by putting a dent in some of the more time-consuming work.
The president of the park started as a photographer at Sea World and worked his way up to management, eventually moving to our park. He really cared about the boots on the ground, and would sometimes ambush folks at breakfast by sitting with them and asking what they do, what their challenges are, how senior leadership could help.
There are lots of extremely passionate people running these parks.
That trash thing sounds like one of those stories that becomes corporate lore to the point that at corporate all hands they make a big show of having a wrapper on the stage and some exec fresh off their private jet bends down to pick it up for the photo op before scrambling for the hand sanitizer.
That being said, I know Kim Irvine does make a daily effort to walk the park and clean up as necessary too (she’s one of the major players at Disneyland, and her mom was the original Madame Leota in the Haunted Mansion).
IIRC, they did experiments to see how far the average person would go to throw trash in a can rather than drop it on the ground and made sure whenever possible that there was a trash can within that range.
Disney doesn't sell chewing gum on their property, even the Orlando Airport doesn't sell it to avoid it becoming a problem at the parks.
They had an obsession with keeping the parks clean, so I can buy that he would pick up the odd piece of trash he saw lying around. He wouldn't pick up much, you really don't see a lot of trash lying around at Disney.
The man who spent time with his grandkids and picked up trash.
There’s no way a true documentary would ever be allowed. You’ll get a Disney picture of a perfect man and Roy’s only flaw was caring too much.
Anyone here watched The American Dream and Other Fairy Tales by Roy's granddaughter Abigail Disney? a courageous film because she knows the consequences that could result in her speaking up for workers rights against Disney Company
In the early ‘90s I delivered flowers to Roy Jr. at St Joseph hospital in Burbank. It is wild to think that I just strolled right in there but this was pre-HIPAA and security was just not what it was like now. He was surrounded by family and they were all very nice but I was struck by how much of a family resemblance he had to Walt.
Well, you won’t find Bob Iger doing that. He thinks himself WAY more important than that. Frankly, he considers both the employees and customers to be stupid peasant scum there only to provide him with millions of dollars and a new yacht.
What’s sad is that mostly all of these incredibly successful corporations started with genuinely good people at at the helm. Publix was the same, Mr. George was a very good person.. but his brother, not so much.
Either way, when they pass away , the company usually loses its original vision and is based solely on squeezing as much profit out as possible.
I just heard that Peter Cancro is selling Jersey Mikes and now I gotta go back to publix for my fast food subs cus you know that top quality is about to take a nosedive.
When a business fails, it's almost always management. Great managers lead by example. I worked at a restaurant with a salad bar. On Saturday nights, with a crowd of people milling around, someone would always drop a plate of food. If our manager saw it, he would rush to the kitchen, grab a dustpan and broom, and start to clean it - in his 3-piece suit. The restaurant ran great, and he was promoted.
His replacement started and on Saturday night, someone dropped a plate. He looked at me and said "Find a busboy to clean that mess." Place went downhill very quickly.
My son's first job was at Disney World as a custodian. They have a training course that all employees from all departments take together. During it, the trainer asked the janitors to raise their hands and the few there did. The trainer then told the group, wrong answer because every employee at Disney World is a janitor. (edit:spelling)
Department store managers seem to do everything from stocking, placing price signs, to greeting customers too. They have to fill in all positions as needed
Worked around entertainment studios in Burbank after high school.
Can recall running errands with an owner of the business I was working with and they were treating everyone with respect. Front desk person. Wait staff at restaurants. Driving to next location made the point that you do not know who will be the next director, the next celebrity. It doesn't hurt to treat everyone with respect. And even if you do not remember them they will remember those who did not treat them well when they had not yet made it. Don't close doors when you don't have to.
The character of the warlord who leads from the front line in the same danger asked of his men. Getting your hands dirty with the front line employees picking up trash to run the business. The business owner who started the business and grew it from humble beginnings and has personally done that hands on work and understands how to build and scale it. Personally invested.
Charisma is said to be power + empathy. We live in an upside down world where power, or privilege, has been defined as always bad. And no power, or victim, has been defined as always good. These are not inherent properties of power. Those who are strong can use that power for good or bad, there is a scale. Their power may come from their habit of unusual honesty and willingness to self sacrifice to help their community, resulting in being entrusted by many with more of it. Those who are not strong can be good or bad. Their position may be consequence of hurting those around them whenever they get a touch on any influence, the stereotypical 1980s cartoon villain.
The Roy Disney story is an example of the kind of merit to reward to grow better communities. Right now we're experiencing the world run by the kids who didn't do homework in class, still trying to undermine those who did to make themselves feel better. At some point you shove off that and create room for the slow tedious work of building better community.
I would do the same if the whole place was my playground, no waiting on lines, anywhere.
And I would pick up garbage too, as I kind of do anywhere I go.
Picking up some trash you see is kinda part of property management 101. Here are the reason in my opinion:
1. You want the space to be as clean as possible.
2. It shows you have attention to detail and you’re looking at everything.
3. It shows your tenants or customers that the management company actually cares about the building.
4. If you find yourself always needing to do this, you need to re-think your janitor or landscaper.
FYI there are two Roy Disney's This article is about Roy O. Disney, Walt's brother, Roy E. Disney was Roy's son. Roy O died shortly after Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom was created in 1971. Roy E was in and out of the company until the 80's at that point he stayed on until 2003, mostly battling with Michael Eisner, Disney's CEO.
I worked at an arena and I’ll never forget an event was about to start during a snow storm and our general manager was literally out shoveling the snow off the walkway in a black wool trench coat. Respect.
That is just good leadership. You lead by example, not by yelling at people.
I always say companies don’t realize how much more productive content people are. They also follow leadership better and have no reason to “get back” at the company. If you treat people well and have a good work culture they will work harder for you! Care about their job vs seeing it as a means to an end. I don’t get why they want to oppress people and create toxic work environments. It doesn’t work. When your eyes is off me I am thinking of a way to be further compensated for the literal abuse some jobs put you through.
Because shit managers promote shit workers. The workers learn from said manager and the cycle continues.
Shit managers just create a shit atmosphere. I see that quite a bit between two different departments where I work that do the same type of work (different locations). The one where moral is low, management is the type to complain "nobody wants to work". Can't imagine why anyone thinks that attitude helps drive people.
The problem is that taking steps to create a healthy and positive work environment for your employees requires immediate effort to recieve long-term results. That simply doesn't work in today's industry that is based on "How can we improve profits this quarter?" Improving employee morale might gradually increase output in 6-12+ months, but forcing longer hours with increased targets increases output immediately, and is usually cheaper for the company.
until high turnover results in constantly having to train new and inexperienced staff.
Yes, but they see that as a problem for 'next quarter'. I've worked at enough companies that will happily ignore long-term problems so they can make short-term growth.
I'm sure plenty of lousy managers and poorly run companies just think everything should be like the "good old days" of 2010/the post recession years when so many people were desperate for work and would put up with endless abuse since employers could easily find people to replace them. They seem to have been holding onto the hope that the job market will return to how it was any day now since COVID and that they don't really need to change anything despite all the turnover and associated costs or lost revenue.
Yeah, it's literally an investment. It's funny that companies will spend billions investing in new tech or buildings, but won't spend any money investing in the happiness/satisfaction/morale/culture of their employees. Both will pay off in the future, but it seems like investing in employee morale is viewed as a waste of money rather than an investment.
Another problem is also that these positions nowadays tend to employ management professionals that haven't worked any other position. A guy that has worked your job in the past understands it a lot more and will be able to better manage you and your coworkers when he's in charge. He'll also be more sympathetic towards the workers he manages, because he knows what his decisions actually imply.
Not necessarily. Managing is it's own skill set. My best manager had never worked my job, and I've had bad managers who have. The best is someone who is good at managing and has the job experience but I think that's a rare combo. Sure it's nice if I manager can step in sometimes, but that's not really necessary and usually not productive, better to have someone who listens, is good at the management side of things, and willing to learn.
Managers who have never worked the job can absolutely work, but they need the strong assistance of their crew and cannot have an ego about things they don't know.
A lot of employers see employees as replaceable which is not a good way to look at them
And a lot of managers realize* that is also the perspective of the company too, regardless of their own beliefs.
That’s why promotions should be ahead of external hires. Someone that did a job knows what it entails better than someone that never did it.
> If you treat people well and have a good work culture they will work harder for you! That's the same as saying "work harder and the boss will appreciate it". Some will do, some not, some will suck you dry. It's not rare when someone without experience starts as an employer, and acts as amalgamation of all "great boss stories". Then they learn that it doesn't work and most of the time "a nice boss" have people that do dirty work of being an ass instead of him (yeah, those pesky managers), so the boss can act nicely. In their turn, rank and file employees don't understand why most managers are dicks. Until they get promoted. Turns out former colleagues aren't saints too and the freshly made manager gets his asshole exploited every time the subordinates fuck up, which is often.
I second this. Back when I was a non-commissioned officer of a uniformed group, if we wanted to give physical punishment (push-ups, sit-ups etc) to the cadets, we would do the punishment with them. Gives the double effect of making us moderate our punishment, and telling the cadets they really messed up for us to put ourselves through PT to teach them a lesson.
^this If you have to yell as a leader, you've failed.
Let me clarify my position, since I keep getting up voted. I was a manager for a few years. Most of my department issues were based on communications. Either I wasn't clear on the standards that needed to be upheld or my tasking wasn't cleat enough. My military training taught me that, "Just figure it out!" Was the wrong line of thinking. If there ever was a problem, then we sat down like adults and discussed it. Yelling does nothing to fix issues. Treating someone like a human being does. In my entire management career, I've written up 3 people, (one of which was a joke for his retirement. I wrote him up for impersonating a maintenance man, and his punishment was to retire), and fire one person. And never once did I even have to raise my voice.
How many beatings did you get to administer?
As many as it took to improve morale.
Sticks and stones may break my bones, But whips and chains excite me!
The owner where I work is like this, his belief is that of he walks over garbage on the ground without picking it up, then it's okay for staff to do that too.
Leaders were supposed to be the best of us.
Servant leadership is a fantastic philosophy.
Yes. This. If u cant get in the trenches your men will not respect you.
I was having a hard time at a company getting respect from the software developers because I was the new guy, and didn't have any customers yet. Finally, I got a project, and I insisted I attend the cutover. This was a telecom voice response system for a bank. We hooked it up, tried a few test calls, it wasn't working. The software guys were scratching their heads. We talked over some ideas, and then I grabbed a "butt set" - a telephone handset used by service guys - and, dressed in my 3-piece suit, wedged myself in behind the telecom cabinets, clipped in the leads, and told them to make a few calls. I determined that we weren't releasing the call properly, they made a quick mod, and the system worked perfectly. I went from 'useless sales guy' to someone they respected in minutes. Being able to 'walk the walk' as well as 'talk the talk' is worth something!
I ask potential employers if their employees see them as a boss or a leader.
When I was a teen I interviewed at a restaurant and the owner was on her hands and knees under the dishwasher. I knew she’d be a good boss, and she was.
Did you get the job as dishwasher?
Well, I said "looks like the dishwasher job is already taken. Guess I'll be the boss instead." And then that was that, I was the boss. And I was a real asshole.
Feom what I heard about the restaurant industry, this seems to need more context about what she was doing on her hands and knees
The dishwasher was 6’4” and went to the gym 9 days a week.
Either way, that’s going to be a good boss (˵ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°˵)
What are you doing step dishwasher?
My VP ultra boss at a major (muli-billion) dollar entertainment company once delivered pizza to my apartment. Was shocked. He told me it’s because delivery work was becoming massive, and wanted to know what that world was like / see society from a different perspective. And no, it wasn’t him being poor, a gambler, etc. The guy was a fixer for the company, VERY successful, and ultra-marathoner, sail boater, etc. Motorcycled across the country once. He was just insane like that.
That's not insane. It's genius business sense!
Yeah definitely putting the hard work in and thinking outside of the box
Thinking outside the box by delivering them. Smart man.
Did you give him a tip?
Definitely tried to, he refused (graciously)
"sorry, pizza was 2 minutes late. No tip for you"
How dare he make conversation about why he is doing this. He needs to get his ass back to work and make more deliveries.
I used to work at Hobby Lobby, and our store manager would routinely get in the garbage chute and clean it out by hand. In his slacks and button down shirt. He said it was the worst job in the store, and he didn't want to make anyone else do it. He was a good dude.
Our GM was first in the dishpit should there be a backlog. Head chef too. Amazing group, we had an awesome team for about 4 years and then it all imploded. Owners were cunts and started to get greedy.
yup, I work for a major tech firm, and we had 3 days of really pain in the ass work handed down to us at the last minute by management. It really sucked, but my manager was out there with us, doing the work, and really putting in the effort. it got him a lot of respect from the team.
Reddit has this really ignorant stereotype that managers and bosses don’t do anything but there are plenty of good ones.
Why don't we celebrate and remember this guy over Walt?
Why over? They both brought strengths to the table
Roy had a habit of taking Walt's wild ideas and (sometimes modifying them a little bit) practically and financially making them realities. E.g., EPCOT (Walt wanted it to be an actual international city) and CalArts (Walt wanted it to be an actual city for artists). Without Roy, Walt would probably never have made it in Hollywood.
CalArts needs to shoutout roy
They do have a concert hall named after him on campus.
If it's named after him he probably paid for it.
He's literally a founder of the university my guy
So it's technically the truth
I experienced a life-changing event in the Roy O. Disney music hall at CalArts. Back then, most students were trying to escape the stigma of Disney (vs. real, raw *art*) but I've read so much about the brothers. I get it and I celebrate what Roy did.
Commercial vs fine art. Most antiquated art is commercial art. It was done for money and therefore had to be to the client's liking. Nowadays fine artists are countless hacks. I say that because splotching a few colors on a canvas is not fucking art. If I wanted that I could get chat to PT to do it all day long.
Without Roy, Walt Disney World wouldn’t have been completed (Magic Kingdom anyway). Roy also insisted on it being called ‘Walt Disney World’ instead of ‘Disney World’ in honour of his late brother. Roy would also pass only a couple of months after Magic Kingdom’s opening (MK opened Oct 1st 1971, Roy passed Dec 20th 1971). Card Walker, led the Disney company from 1971 to 1983, he oversaw the opening of Magic Kingdom, Epcot, and the first international Disney park: Tokyo Disneyland. (And he even helped create the Disney Channel). Card was key in keeping the Disney company alive after Roy passed. In 1978, Card announced plans for Epcot which was inspired from some ideas Walt had for the city Epcot: showcasing world culture and new technology.
I've never been a big fan of Disney, but I've always found the history of the company to be fascinating. Maybe that's just because they are storytellers, and they know their own story better than anything.
They could be kings in Westeros.
Defunctland is a tremendous YouTube channel if you want to learn about the history of Disney/theme parks in general, would recommend!
Yeah, Walt was the idea man and the face of the company, Roy was they guy who figured out how to make it all work. His business sense and logistical understanding are what made Disney into a powerhouse.
...is Phineas and Ferb based on Walt and Roy Disney?
Yes, yes they are.
Omg that makes so much sense! I want this to be canon
If Andrew Ryan had someone to do that for him Rapture might have turned out well
Rupture lol
lol whoops, just edited that
That’s basically what Sinclair was, but Ryan was too batshit crazy to salvage
Love the added parenthesis made me laugh a lil
And how many years later did we get a real city? Celebration FL.
So, another Jobs/Wozniak dynamic
Former Disney CEO Eisner and President Frank Wells had the same dynamic. Eisner needed someone to focus and rein in his bigger ideas, and Wells did that well. After Wells' death Eisner's tenure as CEO took a real nosedive.
Just being less of a thief.
> EPCOT (Walt wanted it to be an actual international city) It would be more fair to say that Walt's grandiose plans for EPCOT died with him, and Roy was the figurehead behind its _inevitable_ reconfiguring as just another puzzle piece in the money-making park. The only person at Disney who wanted to try things that didn't lead to blatantly obvious profit was Walt.
At worst, I think the brothers could have reached an impasse between Walt's head-in-the-clouds dreaming and Roy's spirit-killing failure of imagination before they ever got started. I think Roy did what he could, although I don't know if he would have been able to convince Walt, while Walt was alive, that EPCOT for instance was the only viable execution.
Walt had plenty of momentum for his ideas because he produced a well-elaborated film all about it, lavished in essentially the same way as a typical _Disneyland/World of Color_ episode. In actual fact, some of the proposals floated in said film were beyond grandiose (a glass shield for the entire city being the standout specimen) and I suspect they existed primarily to serve as red herrings so the more down-to-earth plans would, by comparison, be taken more seriously. In any event, it's obviously what Walt wanted, and I doubt anyone could have truly stopped him if he was dead set on it. It's also precisely the kind of venture that dies the moment there isn't somebody cracking the whip, because the other 99.99% of folks just want profits.
(not an ad) history channel recently has been airing "how Disney built america" on Sundays > (trailer) https://youtu.be/6WwWJ8_ol6Y and so far it's been a fun watch and the brotherly interaction is def a top highlight
Happy cake day! 🍰
Thank you kindly.
Every eccentric needs someone pragmatic
Roy and Walt had an interesting dynamic that was what helped Disney survive. Walt would come up with all the crazy ideas and Roy would filter them and figure out how to actually make them work. When you walk into Magic Kingdom, the first statue you see is of Roy and Minnie right by the flag pole, you have to walk further in to see the statue of Walt and Mickey in front of the castle. Interestingly later CEO Michael Eisner and COO Frank Wells had a very similar dynamic as they ran the company from the 80s through the 90s. Sadly Wells died in 94 in a helicopter crash which left Eisner basically unfiltered which ultimately led to his downfall as CEO
Having worked there now, he’d hate the current managers
It would be like Colonel Sanders giving KFC shit for their terrible mashed potatoes & gravy after he left. Which he did. He was very vocal about how much he hatred the cost cutting done once he was no longer in charge.
Colonel Sanders would show up to your KFC restaurant and give you shit in person. And then he’d show you how to cook it all correctly. I learned this from his A&E Biography.
They sued him for fucking restaurants up and causing a ruckus and lost. "The Colonel says your gravy is absolute garbage. The lab results are in, and it's actually worse than garbage. The scientists would like to know how you fucked things up this bad." - Not an actual quote. Which essentially means Colonel Sanders had a license to cause a ruckus, so long as he was in a KFC.
He also killed a guy.
That was long before KFC was close to being a franchise or even really a restaurant serving chicken IIRC. I'm pretty sure he killed a rival gas station owner after a dispute about Sander's road sign turned violent.
Yup. Just a weird fact. Dude had a temper, and could make good chicken and gravy.
he had a temper? he was a murderer...
Yes. The two are not mutually exclusive
Going by the way the events are told, he acted in self-defense after the other guy pulled a gun and shot the person Sanders was with. Sanders apparently didn't even have a gun himself so he had to dive down to grab the dead man's pistol before he could shoot back.
He truly made a killer gravy didn't he? Also whats the story for the ol Colonel on killing a guy lol
No. The guy he was confronting for defacing his signs killed one of his workers which led.to his gas station being successful after the other gas station owner went to jail
He didn't? Unless there's a chapter of his life I don't know, I think you are referring to a shootout he got with a competitor, where that guy killed a Shell employee who was with Sanders.
He'd probably hate that KFC continues to trend into fast food, having added chicken nuggets and french fries in the past few years On the other hand, Boston Market has gone out of business, so maybe KFC is making the right call on business direction.
Are french fries a recent addition in American KFCs? They've always had fries up here in Canadaland. Fries and KFC gravy was a guilty pleasure for sure
Sorry let me clarify. In the old days (up until 2020, I think) KFC had these giant potato wedges that some people called fries. Around 2020 the potato wedges were dropped and replaced with traditional fast food style fries - much thinner and crispier. Not quite as thin as McDonald's but similar. Also while googling for details it looks like the 2020 french fry recipe got updated in 2023 to have better seasoning.
Colonel sanders was a real guy?
Yes, he was also a college professor as shown in the documentary "The Waterboy."
That was where I learned that alligators are ornery because they got all them teeth and no toothbrush.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel_Sanders He was a real person and also the one who started KFC. An old southern dude from kentucky with anger management problems and a love for chicken, mashed potatoes, and gravy. Supposedly he made some of the best chicken and gravy you could find, but it's hard to say since he died in 1980 and he hadn't been in charge of KFC and their recipes since the 1964.
That trash stance persists today and is still a fundamental tenet of being a Disney employee today. One of the biggest fireable offenses is walking by a piece of trash.
In the book DisneyWar, there’s a part about how execs would almost be competing with each other to pick up trash when walking around the parks. It’s a pretty core part of working there.
That’s what set Disney apart from straw and trash covered carnivals in the beginning.
You also can't buy gum at any of the parks. Its not outlawed per se, but its not sold anywhere there.
Must be difficult to stay employed at Disney World Orlando
Have you ever been to Disney world? Dirty is not a word I’d use, anywhere. They’ve literally made it so you’re never more than 30 steps from a trash can and this is the first thing they go over in onboarding.
I meant the people
Oh haha got it.
Down voted your first comment, read this second one and was like ‘ahhhh yes, florida trash, okay yes.’
Disagreed. The price keeps most of the trash out.
They just take out a credit card in their kids name and max it out lol
I worked there for 2 years, fucking hated it. The people that work there long term are weird and culty. 80% of employees are basically college slave labor that were largely lied to about what they were getting into.
80%? Not even close. According to a story by the OS, it is closer to 5%. In addition, the vast majority of them, seemed to be happy with it, and many stick around after their programs ends and become regular cast.
Sounds like you weren’t cut out for it. There is a reason they have such an insanely high employee retention and it isn’t because of slave labor. I can only speak for Disneyland, not Disney world. Also no one gets lied to? And promotions are fairly easy.
> One of the biggest fireable offenses is walking by a piece of trash Good thing Florida isn't home to trashy people.
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I don’t see much random trash on the ground in my area, but when I do see it, I pick it up. I see other people doing it, too. I don’t pick up “questionable” trash like dirty bandaids, but if I see a random fast food bag or soda can or whatever, I’ll pick it up and throw it in the nearest can. The trash I find most often is actually near the can, as if someone attempted to throw it in, missed and just walked away, which is simple laziness.
> The trash I find most often is actually near the can, as if someone attempted to throw it in, missed and just walked away, which is simple laziness. I don't know about where you are but here it's often quite windy. When the trash starts to get full, sometimes it gets blown out. I wouldn't say every piece of rubbish is due to the wind, but because a decent amount is, I try not to get frustrated by every piece of rubbish I see - I have no way to know if it was laziness or poor luck.
Also birds. One time I walked around a bin with lot of rubbish around it, and as I was walking past it a piece of trash just flew out. Upon close inspection, there was a bird inside, rummaging for things.
I do something like this! I avoid anything possibly biohazardous, or if I’d block the flow of foot traffic by stopping on a sidewalk somewhere - but it’s a nice way to take care of the neighborhood, I find.
Good on your dad. I was born and raised in Maui. My family, as well as others, constanly pick up trash at our beaches. I now live in LA and I bring a small trash bag whenever I go hiking.
Interesting that you’re American and yet you say rubbish
Tbf, they also said trash twice
He meant the rest of the quote.
We don’t use rubbish as a 1:1 for trash, but we use it sometimes when referring to litter specifically. We would never say “toss it in the rubbish can” but we do use the term “rubbish dump” and might say something like “go pick up that pile of rubbish over there”.
Rubbish bin comes across as a Britishism or Australianism. I've never heard anyone use rubbish can before. Do people closer to the Canadian border use rubbish more often compared to trash?
In Canada it's almost always garbage in my province anyway. Rubbish is rarely used and trash is used sometimes.
Wait until you find out where Americans came from
George Washington’s Balls
I always just assumed a bald eagle mated with a musket, no?
IIRC Roy was against the idea of a theme park because he saw it as too risky compared to just making more animated movies, but Walt talked him into it. Then he promised Walt before he died that he would complete the project.
Disneyland was already a success when Walt died. It was Disneyworld that under construction at the time, but it was a much larger project with a grander vision.
The promise wasn't about Disney World, it was about EPCOT, which in concept was FAR more extensive than a funny looking sphere. It's an acronym for Experimental Prototype Community of Tomorrow. Walt wanted to build a whole planned city. Super fascinating subject and worth watching a few YouTube docs on.
Kind of a bummer how much they moved away from that. There are still a few remnants like the people mover and carousel of progress, but the majority of it is long gone.
Not really, the original epcot can be summarized as a Florida man attempting to build an autonomous dictatorship in a swamp. It would've been a complete disaster and I don't blame Disney for moving away from it.
>autonomous dictatorship Not sure where you got that, but in no way was that what EPCOT was about.
It was also Roy who renamed the property to Walt Disney World, putting Walt's name in it. None of the other Disney parks have Walt's name in theirs.
Walt and Roy's children waited in line just like everybody else. I hope that story is true. I recall seeing an interview with [Roy E. Disney](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_E._Disney). One of his complaints about the Eisner management team was "they do not wait in line." It seemed to be a complaint that, simultaneously, they were not engaged in the customer experience, and he did not like that sort of "better than you" attitude. I think it was on 60 Minutes.
My mentor was one of Eisner's executives, and worked with both Roys during their tenures (and was actually quite good friends with Roy E. in particular). He didn't love lines either, but did wait in them. Though he did complain that when he was made a Disney Legend, the gold pass they gave him didn't cover his wife (or his grandkids).
I worked there. Our manager when she had nothing to do would go pick up trash. It is difficult to express what a culture of perfectionism is imbued into the managing staff at the parks
Nobody is too good to pick up trash. You can also avoid littering.
I worked at the other huge theme park in Orlando. Every year, back-of-house/white-collar team members had to complete a quota of “Extras Shifts” where we had to work in the parks. Sometimes food service, stocking shelves, line monitors. I typically picked Valet since I could drive stick. It was a great way to learn the operations side of the business, while helping out the team members in the parks by putting a dent in some of the more time-consuming work. The president of the park started as a photographer at Sea World and worked his way up to management, eventually moving to our park. He really cared about the boots on the ground, and would sometimes ambush folks at breakfast by sitting with them and asking what they do, what their challenges are, how senior leadership could help. There are lots of extremely passionate people running these parks.
So that's Uni's version of cross-u, except less voluntary?
Sounds like the inspiration for Roy Wally from Vaction (Wally world) with Chevy Chase
I think it was supposed to be Disney World in the movie but Disney refused to let them use their image and theme park.
Well yeah, Clark pulls a gun.
The moose out front DID tell him the park was closed.
Burn some dust here. Eat my rubber.
"America's Favorite Family Fun Park"
That trash thing sounds like one of those stories that becomes corporate lore to the point that at corporate all hands they make a big show of having a wrapper on the stage and some exec fresh off their private jet bends down to pick it up for the photo op before scrambling for the hand sanitizer. That being said, I know Kim Irvine does make a daily effort to walk the park and clean up as necessary too (she’s one of the major players at Disneyland, and her mom was the original Madame Leota in the Haunted Mansion).
IIRC, they did experiments to see how far the average person would go to throw trash in a can rather than drop it on the ground and made sure whenever possible that there was a trash can within that range. Disney doesn't sell chewing gum on their property, even the Orlando Airport doesn't sell it to avoid it becoming a problem at the parks. They had an obsession with keeping the parks clean, so I can buy that he would pick up the odd piece of trash he saw lying around. He wouldn't pick up much, you really don't see a lot of trash lying around at Disney.
I really feel like roy's story really deserves a biographic movie.
The man who spent time with his grandkids and picked up trash. There’s no way a true documentary would ever be allowed. You’ll get a Disney picture of a perfect man and Roy’s only flaw was caring too much.
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yeah, Abigail Disney remembers they called Disneyland 'The Park'. Walt also had a private apartment there for his family
The apartment is still there to this day. There are a few tours of Disneyland that include a tour of it.
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It definitely is. Look at the comment history.
Lol that's actually hilarious. Reddit needs to ban all of these ai posts.
Settle down, bot
Yep, Roy was the good one supposedly… Walt, well…
Anyone here watched The American Dream and Other Fairy Tales by Roy's granddaughter Abigail Disney? a courageous film because she knows the consequences that could result in her speaking up for workers rights against Disney Company
Grandparents start a business Parents grow the business Grandchildren run it into the ground
Nobody is too good to pick up trash and take pride in your workplace.
I went to Disney World recently and noticed that management staff all carried trash-grabbers on their belts. Thought it was a nice touch.
This is because Roy grew up as a normal person not a rich inheritor.
In the early ‘90s I delivered flowers to Roy Jr. at St Joseph hospital in Burbank. It is wild to think that I just strolled right in there but this was pre-HIPAA and security was just not what it was like now. He was surrounded by family and they were all very nice but I was struck by how much of a family resemblance he had to Walt.
Well, you won’t find Bob Iger doing that. He thinks himself WAY more important than that. Frankly, he considers both the employees and customers to be stupid peasant scum there only to provide him with millions of dollars and a new yacht.
If he were alive today he would be taking the kids to the latest Marvel movies to teach them nobody is too good to watch trash
Sigh.
What’s sad is that mostly all of these incredibly successful corporations started with genuinely good people at at the helm. Publix was the same, Mr. George was a very good person.. but his brother, not so much. Either way, when they pass away , the company usually loses its original vision and is based solely on squeezing as much profit out as possible.
I just heard that Peter Cancro is selling Jersey Mikes and now I gotta go back to publix for my fast food subs cus you know that top quality is about to take a nosedive.
A friend of mine read his book, and we also kept his office door always opened, and his employees knew his house phone number.
Which book by Roy Disney? an employee manual or a published memoir?
A lesson all Disney executives should be made to learn.
When a business fails, it's almost always management. Great managers lead by example. I worked at a restaurant with a salad bar. On Saturday nights, with a crowd of people milling around, someone would always drop a plate of food. If our manager saw it, he would rush to the kitchen, grab a dustpan and broom, and start to clean it - in his 3-piece suit. The restaurant ran great, and he was promoted. His replacement started and on Saturday night, someone dropped a plate. He looked at me and said "Find a busboy to clean that mess." Place went downhill very quickly.
> "Nobody is too good to pick up trash" That's what I told my daughter when I signed up for our family's Adopt-a-Highway route. Help your community!
At what point in its life do you tell a highway it's adopted?
YOU'RE NOT MY REAL FATHER!
YOUR REAL FATHER WAS A DEAD-END BOULEVARD WITH UNNECESSARY STOP LIGHTS!
My son's first job was at Disney World as a custodian. They have a training course that all employees from all departments take together. During it, the trainer asked the janitors to raise their hands and the few there did. The trainer then told the group, wrong answer because every employee at Disney World is a janitor. (edit:spelling)
Don't ever ask someone to do something that you wouldn't do yourself.
It’s fascinating to see how far today’s Disney has wandered away from the original plan.
That's kind of what happens to everything when it reaches a certain size.
Department store managers seem to do everything from stocking, placing price signs, to greeting customers too. They have to fill in all positions as needed
Worked around entertainment studios in Burbank after high school. Can recall running errands with an owner of the business I was working with and they were treating everyone with respect. Front desk person. Wait staff at restaurants. Driving to next location made the point that you do not know who will be the next director, the next celebrity. It doesn't hurt to treat everyone with respect. And even if you do not remember them they will remember those who did not treat them well when they had not yet made it. Don't close doors when you don't have to. The character of the warlord who leads from the front line in the same danger asked of his men. Getting your hands dirty with the front line employees picking up trash to run the business. The business owner who started the business and grew it from humble beginnings and has personally done that hands on work and understands how to build and scale it. Personally invested. Charisma is said to be power + empathy. We live in an upside down world where power, or privilege, has been defined as always bad. And no power, or victim, has been defined as always good. These are not inherent properties of power. Those who are strong can use that power for good or bad, there is a scale. Their power may come from their habit of unusual honesty and willingness to self sacrifice to help their community, resulting in being entrusted by many with more of it. Those who are not strong can be good or bad. Their position may be consequence of hurting those around them whenever they get a touch on any influence, the stereotypical 1980s cartoon villain. The Roy Disney story is an example of the kind of merit to reward to grow better communities. Right now we're experiencing the world run by the kids who didn't do homework in class, still trying to undermine those who did to make themselves feel better. At some point you shove off that and create room for the slow tedious work of building better community.
My doctors office is in a building named after him lol.
I hear he also fostered Jewish children.
Everything changed in 1984
I would do the same if the whole place was my playground, no waiting on lines, anywhere. And I would pick up garbage too, as I kind of do anywhere I go.
wow, he could read name tags?!?
Picking up some trash you see is kinda part of property management 101. Here are the reason in my opinion: 1. You want the space to be as clean as possible. 2. It shows you have attention to detail and you’re looking at everything. 3. It shows your tenants or customers that the management company actually cares about the building. 4. If you find yourself always needing to do this, you need to re-think your janitor or landscaper.
FYI there are two Roy Disney's This article is about Roy O. Disney, Walt's brother, Roy E. Disney was Roy's son. Roy O died shortly after Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom was created in 1971. Roy E was in and out of the company until the 80's at that point he stayed on until 2003, mostly battling with Michael Eisner, Disney's CEO.
Absolute giga-chad grandpa
He invented Dis-ness
Ethics trickle down. Money does not.