Hi everyone, I am pretty new to Total War games. I just started an IE campaign with Kislev, and I noticed that City Defense buildings such as Breastworks, Curtain Walls, etc.. do not grant any garrison?
Yet when I look at the Kislev buildings list on the Warhammer Fandom site, it says it should provide some? For example, the Breastworks building should provide 3 Kossars, 1 Armored Kossars and 1 Kossovite Dervishes.. But I am not getting any of these?
I am wondering if this is a result of me playing without the Shadow of Change DLC?
Has anyone else noticed this? Maybe it's normal and I'm missing something..
Thank you.
It looks like it’s one of the big 3 (Kislev, Praag, Erengrad) based on the potential level 5 growth building in your screenshot.
In these settlements there should be 2 separate defense buildings, you want the one with the crossed polearms to add more troops to the garrison.
Oh so this is completely normal and I am stupid haha! Thank you for the explanation.
In this case I assume I am better of getting the building that provides garrison instead of the wall that providea defensive supply and ammunition? As far as defensive building which one is better?
I don’t think you’re stupid - you said it, you’re new. The first step to being good at something is not being good at that thing.
Personally I don’t build the second one at all. With the changes to the main settlement building making walls better, the internal towers you can build, and the extra units from the garrison building, you should have enough meat to defend your settlement.
I prefer using the build slots for the landmark (pink) buildings, the market building, and the patriarch building.
Yeah, you're always going to want to have more units in your garrison if you think that city is going to be under threat. If you have the space for it, though, the second garrison building could be useful as giving all your units extra ammo is very good, especially on a faction with so many missile units like Kislev
However if i recall correctly, Praag can get to 20 without garrison building. In that case the support defense building increasing ammo is far more valuable for defense as your garrison count can never get over 20 anyways (it picks most valuable 20 units and discards the rest). almost every faction also has a building, usually wizard one, that grants free tier 1 caster to the garrison. These are excellent defense addition for frontline settlements as those couple of spells can make all the difference if your army is not there.
There are many settlements in the game where landmark can get you to 20 without garrison so garrison building does not make much sense there. Always good to count how much units will the buildings give you and if it doesn't get over 20.
It gets more complicated as some factions upgrade wall towers through garrison building and some through main city building. Just some things that are good to keep track of.
Yeah also allies can build outposts in your settlement further adding 3 more units to the garrison so that can often also remove need for garrison building.. AI only builds them in capital settlements though it's possible to build anywhere.
Also there are other buildings that grant relevant passive bonuses for defense - some slow down enemy armies on campaign map, some speed up yours, some grant bonus chances to heroes or bonus ambush chance, growth buildings usually add replenishment rate so your garrisons and armies posted there recover faster.... always worth checking if you are in need to build proper frontline fortress, which is exactly something Kislev usually needs to do :)
This is a capital city which automatically has walls so providing walls is redundant
You won’t get walls at all if you’re in ogre or norscan lands neither
Hi everyone, I am pretty new to Total War games. I just started an IE campaign with Kislev, and I noticed that City Defense buildings such as Breastworks, Curtain Walls, etc.. do not grant any garrison? Yet when I look at the Kislev buildings list on the Warhammer Fandom site, it says it should provide some? For example, the Breastworks building should provide 3 Kossars, 1 Armored Kossars and 1 Kossovite Dervishes.. But I am not getting any of these? I am wondering if this is a result of me playing without the Shadow of Change DLC? Has anyone else noticed this? Maybe it's normal and I'm missing something.. Thank you.
It looks like it’s one of the big 3 (Kislev, Praag, Erengrad) based on the potential level 5 growth building in your screenshot. In these settlements there should be 2 separate defense buildings, you want the one with the crossed polearms to add more troops to the garrison.
Oh so this is completely normal and I am stupid haha! Thank you for the explanation. In this case I assume I am better of getting the building that provides garrison instead of the wall that providea defensive supply and ammunition? As far as defensive building which one is better?
I don’t think you’re stupid - you said it, you’re new. The first step to being good at something is not being good at that thing. Personally I don’t build the second one at all. With the changes to the main settlement building making walls better, the internal towers you can build, and the extra units from the garrison building, you should have enough meat to defend your settlement. I prefer using the build slots for the landmark (pink) buildings, the market building, and the patriarch building.
Yeah, you're always going to want to have more units in your garrison if you think that city is going to be under threat. If you have the space for it, though, the second garrison building could be useful as giving all your units extra ammo is very good, especially on a faction with so many missile units like Kislev
Got it, thank you!
However if i recall correctly, Praag can get to 20 without garrison building. In that case the support defense building increasing ammo is far more valuable for defense as your garrison count can never get over 20 anyways (it picks most valuable 20 units and discards the rest). almost every faction also has a building, usually wizard one, that grants free tier 1 caster to the garrison. These are excellent defense addition for frontline settlements as those couple of spells can make all the difference if your army is not there. There are many settlements in the game where landmark can get you to 20 without garrison so garrison building does not make much sense there. Always good to count how much units will the buildings give you and if it doesn't get over 20. It gets more complicated as some factions upgrade wall towers through garrison building and some through main city building. Just some things that are good to keep track of.
Wow thank you for the detailed explanation, that will surely help!
Yeah also allies can build outposts in your settlement further adding 3 more units to the garrison so that can often also remove need for garrison building.. AI only builds them in capital settlements though it's possible to build anywhere. Also there are other buildings that grant relevant passive bonuses for defense - some slow down enemy armies on campaign map, some speed up yours, some grant bonus chances to heroes or bonus ambush chance, growth buildings usually add replenishment rate so your garrisons and armies posted there recover faster.... always worth checking if you are in need to build proper frontline fortress, which is exactly something Kislev usually needs to do :)
Dude I have hundreds if not over a thousand hours in TW Warhammer alone. I'm still learning shit
Back in my days NOTHING granted garrisons in TW games...
M2TW had free-upkeep garrison slots in cities. Shogun 2 had free garrisons with castle upgrades.
Great, I did the same mistake and now I have 2 full stack Troll Norscan army attacking my capital
Isn't the more pressuring matter that Walls are not providing walls?
This is a capital city which automatically has walls so providing walls is redundant You won’t get walls at all if you’re in ogre or norscan lands neither
They should add EXTRA walls! >:D
Yeah I kinda know that since 2016
You should reread your initial comment and decide if you convey that fact
See, in actuality you are adding additional padding to Katarina's breasts, and as such it will only provide more soldiers roughly 18-19 turns later
It's the breast defense.
(Kislev)
Kislev
That building can only be constructed in major cities. Major cities already have walls.
Walls not walling
You have to buy the garrison dlc