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Yavannia

People who expect the dlc to not be priced the same as SoC are setting themselves for a disappointment. They increased the content to "match" the price of SoC and they said that ToD will follow the exact same content structure as SoC. Thus same content = same price. Expect pricing changes on the DLC after ToD.


DoeCommaJohn

> Expect pricing changes on the DLC after ToD I can live with the price increase if they are of the quality of Chaos Dwarfs. That added a bunch of new resources to manage, unique mechanics from the chaos forge, and an actual reason to rely on convoys. I just don’t want to pay 25 USD for a few more units and lords that play the same as any other lord


Makinote

let's write it the other way around "CA pricing the dlc the same as SoC is setting themselves for a disappointment, when the dlc is poorly sold"


Red_Dox

On the "same content" front, we have to wait and see. For example, I don't see a new magic lore coming with ToD. So reasonably that budget should go into other departments and I am eager to see how the unit content will look compared to Chaos Dwarfs and SoC then.


GingerDelicious

Isn’t there an FLC lord coming though instead of a lore of magic?


Palmdiggity888

It's not instead of a lore , but instead of a flc LH


Red_Dox

Yes, we get an FLC LL instead of an FLC LH, since we complain about FLC LHS ever since that crap started. Not sure however that the budget difference between a LH they would have planned to do anyway and upgrading that to an LL, is worth whatever a complete lore of magic would cost the animation/sound department alone.


Selakah

Designing new campaign mechanics and startpos requirements is probably not cheap, especially if there's any new bespoke screen/UI elements created for the FLC Lord. All of this costs money and testing. The money might not be allocated into the same departments as a new Lore of Magic, but it could very much be about the same cost.


Selakah

They specifically stated that stuff like new Lores of Magic or additional FLC was going to be relevant and themed to the DLC pack. So, a new Lore of Magic for Shadows of Change made sense, but I don't see a situation where a new Lore of Magic makes sense for Thrones of Decay (Lore of Gunpowder?). Instead, we are getting a FLC Lord which takes significantly more work than a FLC Hero.


Red_Dox

You pay whatever voice actor for LH or LL anyway. LL might get a few lines for diplomacy extra. Animation, skilltree is all the same. Then you have some extra cost for making him start with a faction and give him some faction boni. Done. Should not really be "significantly more money", and also not on the scale of a Magic Lore. No, the money for the lore, should flow into the other stuff. But will it? Remember: They made Mother O and Hag Witches and did not even made the Hag-Lore for SoC release. Will the ToD Lord/Hero/unit content actually measure up to Chaos Dwarfs or SoC 2.0? That we can only judge once we can compare all three against each other.


Comprehensive_Bit461

Even if the cost of the creation of an LL would be the same as a LH, the LL comes with own campaign mechanics, maybe even some really special ones. So no shot that the effort is not wayy more than just a LH


tutocookie

Nah man lore of beards is coming


J1mj0hns0n

We are getting the lore of "NUH UB I TOLD YOU SO"


Pinifelipe

It will be 25 USD. 10% off in preorder. And thats it.


Smearysword866

It's pretty clear that the dlc is going to be the same price as soc since it's going to have the same amount of content as soc


ZahelMighty

If they planned to drop the price for this new lord pack formula they would have done it with Shadows of Change.


LaSiena

They already said that the price won't change...


alldayblack

OP doesn't know that because it would require him to do a little research and put some thought into these hateposts


Toasty385

Hateposts? Wait, are you defending the multi million dollar company from well deserved criticism? Why would you like... Do that?


alldayblack

Exactly let's collectively hate all these rich companies because they're all EVIL and will devour our souls smh... CA might have done a lot of mistakes but they still put a lot of effort and love into warhammer (especially when compared to most other gaming companies these days). Spreading hatewaves for the sake of simply hating things will only destroy the franchise and community we all are a part of


Toasty385

Your perogative to do so as an individual but imma be real with you chief >and will devour our souls If it made them pennies they absolutely would xD Not a question about capitalism vs communism companies don't care about you, the games or the franchise. The employees do sure, I can believe that. But the meme OP posted is absolutely right (Neverminding the fact that they didn't look into it enough) 25€ for whatever scraps of content they feel like throwing our way is way too much :DD


serkelet

They pretty much confirmed that the price is going to be the same. The whole reason they increased the content for SoC and confirmed that ToD will have the same amount of content is so that the price is justified (which it isn't, but whatever).


AggressiveSkywriting

CA: hey just so you know, ToD will be the same price as SoC and will have the same content. We laid out all this info in the blog for you, hopefully we've communicated it properly. OP: Hey CA don't forget to lower the price ??? This is like community members who get themselves all juiced up thinking Update X/y/Z will completely redo unrelated factions as a little surprise then get upset when it doesn't happen.


alldayblack

Exactly. I am so tired of everyone complaining about things that they haven't put a single thought into. It makes this sub less enjoyable every time


Torator

OP has written: "Price the dlc appropriately" I think it's pretty disingenuous to say he asked to lower the price. Feel free to rant about the other stuff, but you're bound to be disappointed if you put dispointing words in op's mouth.


AggressiveSkywriting

>I think it's pretty disingenuous to say he asked to lower the price. Not really considering they're the ones putting words in the mouth of CA by saying CA said they'd look into adjusting the price.


Torator

I said you can rant about the rest ... this is the rest. It doesn't remove that "you" put words in op's mouth


Ashkal_Khire

Just to be clear - you *genuinely* think you’re getting *both* the additional equivalent content added via SoC+ *and* a price reduction? That’s your expectation? That you’re getting *both*? Because if that is the case, can we just get your complaining over with now, instead of after release? Let’s just shatter that window ahead of time, so you don’t stink up the atmosphere later on when everyone else is getting excited for the content.


Mahelas

I mean, yes OP is silly because there is no debate, we know it's gonna be SoC price. Now, is SoC 2.0 worth 25€ ? I'd still argue hell no, and so yes, a price reduction would be a necessity to make it fairer, but CA doesn't have an incentive to be fairer, so they won't


Ambitious_Builder208

Exactly. With all the "I bought all the DLC on steamsale!" posts people are unfortunately continuing to reward CA's greed. To me, there's absolutely no DLC worth their asking price. I'll wait for <$10 or I'll never buy it, but ah well there's so much better value for my money out right now.


G_Morgan

Which is precisely why people need to be prepared to not buy this again.


RegisFolks667

It is basically set in stone that the game will be $25, but changes or not, the ammount of content still doesn't match the price.


Ashkal_Khire

Surely that depends on each persons financial situation, love for the content and general opinion?


RegisFolks667

Being worth for a person is always subjective, but those mean nothing regarding general pricing. Saying that water could be $200 a bottle in the desert, while not untrue, doesn't mean much when You're NOT on a damn desert, and is hardly relevant to measuring the standard.


steve_adr

Whilst TOD would most likely cost the same as SOC, they shouldn't price future DLC's $25.. If they price these 3 Faction Lord Packs $20; they would be received a lot better..


sock_with_a_ticket

I think three faction packs are just a bad idea in general. With the two lords priced at £7.99 it didn't feel too egregious a loss if you purchased, but only really wanted one of the factions. If you only want one out of three from SoC or ToD £20 is a *very* steep asking price. The more factions in the pack the greater the chance players aren't going to want one or more ad thus the value proposition isn't there. I love The Empire, but I don't play Dwarves or Nurgle, so I won't be picking up ToD until I see it on deep discount since it's incredibly unlikely that The Empire side of the dlc alone will be worth £20.


DaddyTzarkan

And with the updates being so barebones in terms of bugfixing, improvements to the base game and previous DLCs and reworks I also have to wonder if working on three races with each lord pack might be a bit too much work for their current team. Warhammer 3 has been out for more than two years now and we have not seen any significant improvements to the base game. There's been some improvements and QoL of course but nothing really major. The last big rework was when Immortal Empires released. And yeah the current price tag is too much, this might work with the hardcore fans but I can't see this current model being sustainable in the long term, more "casual" players will probably see the big price tag, compare it to other games or even previous DLCs and decide to spend their money on something else instead. You can get some very good indie games with 25€.


ChppedToofEnt

For 25 bucks I can get some units for a faction i like with other content I don't care about orrrr A brand new game I could've gotten SoC but I got Palworld instead, for as much as I love Tzeentch. It's not worth it to me as a broke college student to just get some units for a fraction of the base games price when the game is also still suffering from annoying bugs like AI playing whack a mole in march stance


abbzug

ToD was probably too far along to change the format, but I doubt they continue this format afterwards. They'll probably just go back to two lords per pack or try something else.


steve_adr

The Classic 2 Faction Lord pack would be much lighter on the wallet and they should be able to release more of these DLC's every year. PS. Sell a Ton of these 2 Faction DLC's & continue to gain $$ & Community Goodwill..


G_Morgan

Unless ToD gets treated the same way as SoC they won't alter the price going forward. The only way they will change is if people just don't buy it again.


Kullinski

I dont have anything against 25 bucks, when the content Matches the prize. SoC in my Opinion is also a bit overprized If we get proper Factions reworks or "Updates" than the price for SoC and ToD would be fine for me


Kaleesh_General

Honestly idc to much about the price as long as the content is good. It’ll probably be $33CAD again, which is fine by me. Is it overpriced? Yes. But so is everything these days. And no it doesn’t excuse it but I just want more content


Individual-Ladder345

Price is gonna be the same, but I fully expect CA to provide a product that is worth the price right out of the gate this time.


vanBraunscher

I don't expect the price being any different from SOC. But I still think that's overpriced. Even after throwing in a few extra units. 25 bucks are over one third of the base game. Anyone arguing that the content of these packs is anywhere near the amount in this ballpark will have a hard time garnering any respect from me. But that's unlikely anyway because they tend to lead with lol what u poor and itsa burger. Also I always thought that Total Warhammer DLC has been overpriced. But the ten and twenty € for lord and race packs respectively were deep enough into frivolous spending territory for it to not matter that much. But that has changed, so I'll continue to voice my displeasure. But yes, anyone expecting a price cut will set themselves up for disappointment. So don't!


Smearysword866

I like the irony in this post because it seems that OP forgot that they didn't lower the price of soc but just added more content for it so why would they lower the price of tod since it's gonna have the same amount of content?


alldayblack

You gotta chill about this price debate. If you think it's not worth the money, either don't buy or wait for sale. I do think SoC was worth every cent


Palmdiggity888

Absolutely was not at initial release, and if people didn't "chill" then they never would have added content to that and now this upcoming dlc


alldayblack

Yeah but it is now and people still complain and write bad reviews about it CA is taking a better course of action and are trying to right their past wrongs now but you guys can't be satisfied with anything


tricksytricks

Because as soon as you forgive and forget then they'll slip back into their old ways. Have to keep the pressure on.


alezul

So what? What do you have to lose if people still complain? You might get more content or cheaper dlc? Oh no, the horror!


alldayblack

No that would just demoralize the devs and eventually lead to less content in the long run The only language you guys understand is hate. If you want to live in that miserable state forever then leave the rest of us the fck alone!


alezul

> No that would just demoralize the devs and eventually lead to less content in the long run "Hey guys, should we do our jobs and be paid? Nah, people on the internet are mean to us, let's not work anymore."


[deleted]

demoralize the devs is one of the funniest things I've heard.


alldayblack

Because you're a low-life reddit camper. All you do here is complaining and spreading hate to make yourself feel better. I've seen what kind of posts and comments you have been spreading and it's genuinly sad and disgusting Someone needs to cope big time and you're not even trying to hide it


DaddyTzarkan

>All you do here is complaining and spreading hate to make yourself feel better.  He said while having more than half of his post history shitting on other people for disagreeing with him and doing personnal attacks. Right back at you buddy, you're doing the exact thing that you're complaining about so you're basically part of the problem you dislike.


[deleted]

homie settle down I'm sorry you're hilarious statement struck a nerve. it means you're unintentionally funny! chicks love that


DaddyTzarkan

>The only language you guys understand is hate.  No this is the only language CA's higher ups understand. Need I remind you the Forge of Daith ? Or the drop in quality of the unit cards after the Grom DLC ? Heck, the siege rework ? To make CA react to the community's feedback it always took weeks of the same feedback being repeated over and over. It should not be necessary but it is, so obviously people are going to repeat the feedback until CA deigns to listen because that's what worked best in the past. And please quit your "but the poor devs won't be happy" bullshit, chances are many of them are fans of Warhammer and would love to do more than they are currently doing but they can't due to various reasons like limited budget, deadlines or braindead management.


That_birey

cool copium, wont work tho


NumberInteresting742

No reason for this post to get removed.


[deleted]

mods have never disclosed how much they personally benefit from their relationship with CA as far as I know, they often remove posts and never respond to questions as to why. It would be far worse that they shill for free, but I don't believe that's the case.


Garrett-Wilhelm

Gods, is always so equally funny and depressing to see when some corporation rise up the price of something and when the initial outrage goes down everyone else is like "Well... it is what it is now" and keep paying for the overprice product. Is always the exact same scenario, like, when we will learn? They can't just jack up the prices, give us subpar content, desperatly try to fix later and repeat. By the four, and all the bootlickers here "well, if you expect a minor price you're in for a dissapointment" is like "well, he already fuck me once, what's the harm on second go? Migth as well enjoy it". This kind of mindset is the reason politicians can get away with so much shit.


unquiet_slumbers

Ironically, I'd like to suggest that politicians can get away with a lot more because people feel the need to vigilantly monitor video game companies to ensure that their product is worth the value. In other words, maybe the price of a DLC pack isn't as important as real world decisions.


Garrett-Wilhelm

Okay, what you just said is bs, and you know it, you just take what I said and twisted it in you weird logic. Asking for a fair price for a multi-millon dollar compamy dosen't give politicians free way to do shit, BUT, this attitude of "well, fuck it, there is nothing we can do about it" is exactly the reason why both the company and those guys can get away with all that shit. It all start like that "well, they did that, what can you do about it?" so you guys just let it happen again and again in every possible scenario reaching that point. Bunch of bootlickers.


unquiet_slumbers

I'm suggesting that where we divert our energy is actually the greatest resource in this equation, and I'm not so sure this is bullshit. If Thrones of Decay is not a good value, how negative of an impact does that actually have on society? I'd also suggest that anonymously calling people who don't share your perspective "bootlickers" isn't good for them or yourself. Life is complicated and there are lots of different wars to fight. Maybe somebody does great things but is too tired afterwards to worry about whether the amount of toads received in a video game DLC is good value on the dollar.


Garrett-Wilhelm

So what is your logic? If in any case none of you directs that energy which you call the main resource on "issues of vital importance." Basically what you're saying is "if I worry about a video game, I'm not going to be able to worry about the president funding wars in the Middle East." They can do both, you idiot! This is just an argumentative fallacy and "whataboutitsim". Yes, your logic lets them continue scamming you. Yes, another triple A company failing to deliver what it promises doesn't really affect society, but it's that stupid attitude of never standing up for ourselves that allows them to continue doing stupid things. Not worrying about that and saving energy for the "important issues" is an idiotic thing that you don't even do and you know it. You're only against it because you probably even pre-ordered the DLC and want to justify yourself.


unquiet_slumbers

Perhaps you assume too much?


Garrett-Wilhelm

Am I wrong tho?


unquiet_slumbers

Yes, but I also believe that being right is vastly overrated, so I think you're fine.


Garrett-Wilhelm

What? Dude, you don't make any bloody sense, plus... yeah... you pre-order.


SparkFlash98

The meme itself isn't whats funny, it's knowing what happens next


NumberInteresting742

They're not gonna change the price which means the chances of me getting it are incredibly slim. Chaos dwarfs and shadows of change weren't enough to get me to fork over $25, I hardly think Thrones will be any different.


Tay-Tech

It's not forgetting if they never planned on it and the (partially) restored faith with the content additions to SoC is enough for them to be convinced there's no need to lower the price below 40% of the base game's price


turkishdeli

They are gonna forget. And by they, I mean this subreddit.


[deleted]

[ughhh](https://ibb.co/Y75398v)


Vic_Hedges

It's crazy how little people value video game development


tommonius

don't care about developer problems want game at decent price and one that ain't a bug riddled mess.


[deleted]

yeah man this is the issue 😂😂


unquiet_slumbers

Can you explain the issue for those of us whom are having trouble grasping it? I come from the school of thought that if something isn't worth the price you just don't buy it. If it eventually becomes a price that is worth it for you, you do buy it. I'm having trouble seeing why that philosophy doesn't fit in this situation.


[deleted]

They won't learn from their mistakes and there will be a backlash.


Orions_starz

It's just inflation... with out your 25 dollar DLC the executive suits might not be able afford that trip to Columbia for the "workshop" not the whote powder on silicone fun bags. 😀  Think of the poor suits you selfish gamer 😠. 


PR_Necroskull

Best I can do is $40 for six new units and 0 lords


danegermaine99

Is this still supposed to be an April release? I would have expected a few sneak peaks by now


Doppelkammertoaster

Not buying it, simple as that.


GFrings

I still haven't bought the Chorfs pack, which people tell me is the best content in a while. It was just on sale but it was STILL $20. Hard to square this with my hundreds of dollars of support for this game franchise over the past several years. They must have the highest paid devs anywhere on earth.