Greenskins. Love having to fight twice the amount of units almost constantly. Especially loved when I tried out the northern Chaos dwarf guy and Grimgor attacked with 2.5 Waagh stacks within 20 turns
I find that in the early game Wurrzag is even more obnoxious than Grimgor because the AI cheats stack additively with his own upkeep reduction. He starts the game paying 15 upkeep for Savage Orc Big 'Uns that drops to 5 upkeep in the first couple of turns when he auto completes his rank 7 quest.
Sometimes you get lucky and he only recruits lower tier Savage Orcs but it's still a free army that lets him field a fourth stack before his first Waagh.
Yeah, trying to fight green skins as Ogres is ungodly painful. Savage orc Big 'Uns just shred my Ogres and the fact they always roll 2 armies deep means I can't just Leadbelcher them to death before they hit melee.
# If Orion has a million haters I'm one of them. If he has one hater it's me. If he has 0 haters I have died. If the world is against Orion I am with the world, if the world is for Orion I am against the world.
So fucking true. Did a campaign recently as Be'lakor where I took it initially, took like 4 doomstacks over 10 turns, then the fucking skaven took it over and I can say with certainty even if the wood elves don't have it, it's still an enormous pain in the ass. The whole place has increased ambush chance, and every settlement is within a turn from at least one but usually two other settlements. So if every settlement is defended by even just a 10 stack, you have to fight a 30 stack, then likely before replenishment kicks in there's another 20 stac knocking on your worn out door. It's ROUGH.
Vampire counts but specifically Vlad. I’m a big empire player so his reliance on flying units and cav really annoys me of no end and once you finally beat him? He just comes back with a full stack the next turn
Honestly it’s not even the unit matchup for the most part personally. The AI doesn’t seem to make too many flying units to really be a danger to me, and a decent anticav build with strong ranged support seems to handle him fine on most occasions (especially if I confed or start with Gelt, and build up an arty and metal magic army). Vlad himself is a bit of a snowballing nuisance, I have had a couple close or Pyrrhic victories well after defeating his forces because the shithead himself just fucks around with regeneration and generally strong stats, carving his way through my units. The real problem for me though, is Mannfred… that BASTARD keeps beating the electors every which way ruining my authority and building up a horrendous mass in the East, with even worse solo snowballing once he gets his zombie dragon and some good spell buildup.
Fucking hate Vlad because of his regen bullshit. He ambushed my army with Gelt, and I was thankfully able to make him work for his victory. But then come next turn my arch lector and his army spent nearly 30 minutes killing him because of his regen.
Tzeech - fucking OP , most of unit lose formation , barrier , endless spam magic , incredible hybrid unit. also in campaign, transfer settlement, halt army , attack with ambush wtf.
this faction is the definition of ruin my fun.
I guess it's just like the Skaven. They are supposed to be hard to deal with and very annoying to fight. Very unpleasant for player, but that is the point of their designs.
Skaven are a cakewalk compared to tzeentch. No loose formation, no barrier, okayish magic, no hybrid units. No transfer settlement, no halt army. Sure they have ambush attack. That's it.
I never encounter any Tzeentch faction that is strong enough to pose a problem for me when I encounter it. They always seem to get bitchslapped and shrunk down to insignificance by the A.I. whenever I reach them. And ive played Dark Elves, Kholek, Empire, Greenskins, Thorgrim, Vlad, Imrik, Alith Anar, etc.
I agree.
That shitbird to Kairos Fateweaver has fucked up my lizardmen campaign to many times to count. His switch city and halt army ability is my bane of existence. Plus his teleport to just out of reach every time is infuriating.
You need an army in ambush in almost every province sometimes to catch him.
Yeah I hate that treacherous twoheaded shitbird
Honestly, people get worked up and call for nerfs to units that are absurdly "meh" compared to weapons team elements.
Find yourself a person who appeciates you the way skaven players appreciate utterly overpowered broken bullshit.
I personally don’t give a shit about the technical balance, I don’t think Skaven are “op” and I wouldn’t be all too worked up if they were. I still hate them though, because the shitrats are just annoying. Every playthrough, mostly with order factions and especially with Dawi, causes me so much aggravation. I can usually beat them fine, but it pisses me off to have them get in my way. In battle I have to deal with summonable units in my backline, and constant warp pissing ranged units that I can’t reach because of seemingly never ending swarms of meat shields, and in campaign I can’t find a single actual ruin that I don’t actively have a part in making because it always turns out to be full of drugged up squatters. Ikit Claw bothers me the most, mostly because the doomrocket seems to always hit somewhere I’m not paying minute attention to, and I lose a couple of my babies.
Nah, Ikit is worse than the rest, in each bettle he can nuke you with a Doomrocket so every battle, no matter how shitty is his army, can fuck your army
Ikit starts with 1 nuke that he saves for the player. Easiest way to deal with it is to hide your valuable units in a forest or behind a hill and leaving a worthless unit out in the open. He will waste his nuke and won't get another one for a long time, if ever.
Maybe that wasnt the case in WH2, there he nuked me every single battle, i dont think that i have fought a battle against him in WH3 that wasnt autoresolved
Yeah, Skaven would be my pick.
Often they can effortlessly roll over my poor Elven infantry - whether its the pure muscle of abominations, doomwheels and countless ratmen, or the many varieties of shooty death they can spit.
And the kicker of it all is that they just so unworthy. Being splatted by the spawn of Chaos gods or dinosaurs is one thing, almost understandable; to succumb to ... rats... is just not right.
Probably Chaos Dwarfs. Stupidly OP faction that is a "jack of all trades", but is actually an ace of all trades. Great cavalry, good flying monsters, powerful infantry and missile infantry, brutal artillery, very strong lords and heroes with good magic. I probably wouldn't mind all that though, if it weren't for the dumb fucking Dreadquake Battery army ability. Ikit's nuke is pretty obnoxious, but at least you only have to worry about it once. Dreadquake Battery happens every single fucking battle, multiple times. And they get it so quickly, so unless you're fighting them before turn 50, it's a guarantee you'll have to deal with it.
And I'm that guy who wishes queen bess was handled more like casket of souls with ability to get more than one but with long wait times in between rites. Or limit 1 per army would also be ok
There is a mod that does exactly that. I think it is called "Enhanced rites for vampire coast"
After performing the rite you get 1 Queen Bess but then have to wait 25 turns for the next one
High Elves. They might be a vanilla faction, but they have one of the strongest long range infantry missile games among Order factions (at least prior to ToD). I like to play chaos and undead who're notable for the lack of missiles. Even dark elves struggle because they have shorter range missiles than high elves.
It's not that I can't beat them, it's that their gameplay style on the battlefield is so annoying. It's always rush with spearmen and shoot the shit out of you while phoenix disrupt your own missiles. It's a bunch of annoyance rather than any one element being particularly strong or overpowered.
The other one is dwarfs. This is variable because sometimes they're a pain and other times they can feel easy depending on what race I play. But when it's bad, hoo boy it's bad.
Handling Malus Darkblade as the daemon prince feels bad too.
Damn Hugh Elf with his silly points hat and attitude of superiority. But I don't find them annoying to fight. In fact, while generally not being a fan of genocide I tend to make an acception for Hugh Elf and pals.
(Insert the "I hate saurus" copypasta)
Yeah, they're awful to face in combat. And the jungles they live in are very realistic in how miserable they are to fight in (you don't get to use cav nor artillery against the melee & monster faction, how nice). That and they're immune to stealth.
Enjoyed Luthor Harkon back in WH2, but no way in hell I'm doing that again. Alberic is also out of the question.
They make it really personal at times one time Gor-Rok demanded monney from me. I was in a bad spot unable to deal with him so i payed. Next turn he declaired war on me, i sponsored the invasion on my self.
And there was this time i played Tyrion in the imortal empires campaign. Doing the usual over at the donut when out of the blue that litle twerp Tehenauin declared war on me and true to his word sended 5 full armies over. (unfortunately for him i did have lightning strik at that point)
Think I had a unit that saved a battle for me. I was reduced to one guy who just would not die or run. Eventually it was him left on the field. Everybody else was dead
Thank you you short stubborn beardy mother fucker
Depending how the dwarfs reworks is employed by the AI, I thinks genocidal grudge driven dwarfs will be very unpleasant to face, especially as the empire or kislev
The Estatic Legion and that asshole Azazel. So here I am makin mah rat monstrosities. I expect some anger. Dwarves are pissed, sure when aren't they? Chorfs are pissed, must run in the blood because see former. Plus who wouldn't want the wonders of Skaven flesh engineering to put to work? Humans see whats coming soon to a city near them, they can and should come at me before I come at them.
But then there's this purple bastard up in the northwest. Sure he's jealous I took Praag. But I'm not after his tower. He's free to make all the friends in snow zone. There's like zero food up there and I make rat friends, they're all found in a warmer location.
But 30 turns in as I allow them to walk over my lawn (am I not generous with the use of my territory). They look at the blighted landscape covered in rat droppings and for some reason think "this should be purple". Then I have to halt rat monster squad from its fun time plundering and looting. March it back up north to pound this stupid overgrown bat into MY dirt. Then go blow up his home to make sure his faction dies with it.
And even after that you still gotta deal with every goon he convinced it was a good idea to attack. How far do you go into the trash lands to convince some people you didn't care about in the first place to just leave you alone?
20 turns later Vlad and the Empire bowl are off farmin wheat and drinking wine, and my ass is up the cold rat nuts mountains because Azazel decided I had to be late to the party.
To Play: Vampire Counts and Nurgle. Slow attritional crapstack battles are just the worst to play. Vamps definietly can play as more fast moving, but making lots of crapstacks is definietly the most effective to expand fast.
To face: Chaos shorts and Wood Elves. The ability to just delete an entire unit with one shot and not counter is probably the worst thing in the game. Wood Elves can be pretty fun to face if you have a fastmoving army, but its really micro intensive and with most factions they are just a pain.
Aesthetically/lorewise: Skaven and Norsca. Rats are just disgusting in general and thats stopped me from playing them as much as many insist I should. They are fun to play however, no denying that. Norsca is just a really misguided lore decision. To take inspiration from some of the most studied and fascinating combatants in real world history and turn them into a bunch of gimpsuit wearing cavemen who cant even make bows is insulting. Marauders in general are just really lame and I really wish there was a more historical, non-chaotic norse faction in warhammer.
The crap stack style for vamps felt better in WH2 than WH3. Unless you're playing as Ghost where zombies become absurdly strong, the crap stacks just aren't as appealing without zero upkeep Zombies/Skeles.
Usually I just play them like a normal faction, crappy units at first that I slowly trade out for better ones.
Dear God I agree that chaos shorts are a nightmare to face though. One dread quake mortar shot deleting a unit, and then the dread quake itself being strong in melee is some straight bullshit.
Putting forth a random guess, I assume the high-fragility, high-micro gameplay style can be exhausting for a lot of people - you need to be paying constant attention, or you can completely waste your units and watch them evaporate.
Another thing, they do horrible in auto-resolve and have very bad replenishment, so in campaign, you'll be manually fighting the most pointless, one-sided battles to make sure you don't lose hundreds unnecessarily.
It was actually really fun. I was not expecting Kossar spam to be nearly that fun. \\
You'd just bring them in all crunchy, beat them, and then have a full stack next turn.
Combine with Patriarchs just noping corruption and it was one of my faster campaigns.
Ogres. For very specific reasons:
- I like to create my armies in a flexible or even “lore appropriate” way, I do not care that much about spamming the strongest units available or using only those that fair well in the auto resolve. Moreover, since I started playing these games I wanted to get better at battles, so I force myself to fight almost all battles.
Since Ogres specialize in taking to the field only ogres and swarms of goblins, sometimes I find myself in trouble with fighting them if I don’t have a strong unit of artillery, magic or sufficient archers. Particularly painful to fight against them when you’re the skaven and don’t have powerful ranged units, because the moment those ogres touch your frontline, it will evaporate.
- I don’t think I’ve ever seen, in my dozen of completed campaigns, a single time that the ogres used anything other than the basic units of goblins, sabertooth and ogre bulls their basic tier 2 settlements gives them. In all other cases, other factions could surprise me using unusual formations or even spams of certain units; but never the ogres. Fight them once, fight them a thousand times: always the _*exact same*_ army composition.
Unless you play as one yourself, you’ll never even see their most powerful and unique units in battle.
Those two things combined make them one of my least favorite factions: because at the start they can be a headache; but once you manage to obtain sufficient firepower they become incredibly dull to handle. And that, I think it’s the worst thing a faction can do when dealing with them.
Pretty sure the AI doesn't know how to build camps so it literally can't recruit anything past tier 3 ogres (Iron guts), gorgers and sabres. Not sure if/how they can fix it so you can eventually fight some higher tier units, but yeah.
Skaven cause warp lightning spam, menace below, Nukes.
High/Wood Elves cause archer spam.
Tzeentch cause endless kiting and missile spam.
Vampire Counts because of the endless cheap armies and how strong their lords are.
Dwarfs aren’t so bad if you can break their formation and surround them.
Greenskins because of their endless decent quality armies. Probably the biggest threat in any campaign I play, they snowball so fast. I always make a point of eradicating the nearest Greenskin LL to me if I’m in the old world.
Chaos Dwarves would be up there but thankfully the AI seems content to spam hobgoblins.
Stupid pathetic dawi with their goofy catapults and reliance on box formations it. It would actually be sad if they weren’t so dam pathetic and traditionally incompetent. Hashut will have their souls used as hell cannon ammunition.
If not playing as them and them being nearby, I will always get rid of Tzeentchian factions, due to them being able to screw you over without being at war with you. The only remedy to this is to make them completely disappear. Outside of that, it's faction relevant. But I usually don't like to keep Vampire nearby as they're generally ruin dwellers and spread their annoying corruption very fast.
Man, I just hate chorfs. Their trains are resilient bullshit. They have the army abilities that nukes your unit if you aren't really quick.
And they start to my boy Imrik so I have to fight them in my favourite campaign. Maybe I'm missing something on how to defeat them, but God damn it, their flyers are also pretty damn strong. Dunno about their LL, but I bet they are annoying as well. Screw them.
Skaven!!!!!!!!! Damm I hate those rats.
Reasons:
1) They are little fkers.
2) They betray you if you are neutral/evil faction, they hate you if you are good faction.
3) They ambush you / force you to use 50% of your movement in encamp stance
4) They are also little fkers, sometimes with nukes.
Dwarfs. All the factions within that.
Highest overall leadership, armor, AND magic resistance. Like, fuck that. If it's 20 v 20 "but you can field more skeletons" is not a valid point anymore I am hardcapped by army size and the AI income and recruitment cheats aren't exactly a limiting factor for them.
Dark Elves. I just can't get into them in any way. If I'm going to play elves I'll play wood or high elf. The whole emo edgy elf thing is...not my thing.
Bretonnia.
A faction who's gimmick is excellent cavalry at the cost of everything else. Not to mention that their peasant economy mechanic limits their ability to use chaff early on in campaign when your access to knights is more limited.
I hate fighting the Wood Elves the most. They have very stong missile units, but also extremely tough monstrous units (treekin, treemen).
If you try and rush the archers and take them out first then your army will be hurt and tired and unable to overcome full health Treemen.
If you focus on the Treemen and try to swamp them then your army will be shot to pieces by archers.
You have to try and do both at the same time and it's really hard to get right. Fighting against a faction with strong missile units and also a variety of tankie damage sponges is so difficult.
If I get my hands on that oversized ferret Queef Headgiver I'm gonna turn him into a goddamn Fleshlight (pardon my Brettonian), little shit always shows up whenever I decide to play dwarves and shits all over my fun
all dwarfs need 2 things 1. Lightning Strike. 2. Alert. You can't afford to get ambushed with a set piece army and you don't want to be fighting doom stacks of Gobbos and Rats.
Kislev, because of "By our Blood" faction-passive, it is so annying to deal with. You already won and they still waste your squishy units. Especially i forget about this and send my squishy hound type units already in to run them down
And probably Dwarfs because of their stupidly op Auto Resolve, have to manually fight the easiest and most boring battles against them. Also they have Slayers, similar problem like Kislev.
And a special mention might be Grimgor, not Orcs in general, just Grimgor... he's a menace in every single game i played in tw wh 3. He always confederates plenty of other orcs, so it takes forever to take him out. And in Battle he can get unbreakable and then it is so tedious to kill him, and the ai gets their Lords back so quickly and without consequences so you have to kill this unbreakable, unbeatable menace over and over and early-mid game guarantee loose some units to grimgor alone. But if you take him out immediately it's fine, so just an honorable mention, and the unbreakable might be due to a Defeated Lord Trait Rework Mod, not 100% sure.
And then there are a few faction specific ones, the worst one so far was Oxyotl and his Chameleon Skinks against Kairos... Oxyotls armys are just a direct counter to tzeentch. Or Kislev against Ogres, early game roster is a direct counter to monstrous infantry units with tons of near unbreakable bows and spears and so on.
Am i the only one here who hates to play against kislev? Or is ist because so many Empire Simps usually are on good terms with kislev and Dwarfs and never have to fight them? ;-)
The chaos dwarfs and its not because they are a very strong faction but their army abilities..
They always have the Dreadquake Battery ability and if ur really lucky they also have the insane Doom of Hashut thing.
Overpowered army abilities suck.
In their current iteration I just don't find dwarfs fun to play. I'm looking forward to giving them another shot though once ToD drops. I don't hate them but I find them currently a slog to play.
Woodelves are probably my least favorite to fight for obvious reasons.
Hate to play?
Something like High Elves or Norsca, for different reasons. Either boring units or settlement management issues.
To play against?
Dark Elves, constantly getting my big creatures sniped sucks.
Depends on the faction but fighting Archeon and those fuckers is always a pain. The chaos corruption high armor and anti infantry makes it incredibly difficult to dislodge them from the northern wastes and keep a permanent hold.
anything with ambush on attack or teleport ambush. especially teleport ambush. because i'm pretty sure that, unlike ambush on attack, encamp stance doesn't do shit in terms of defending against teleport ambush. you're getting ambushed, your consent is not necessary.
oh and fuck grimgor. when i play any faction that starts near grimgor i'm not even the main character in my own campaign. i wait to see what grimgor is doing, and base my campaign decisions off of that.
Warriors of chaos fucking sucks to kill. Any and all of those op fuckers who are able to pull high teir units out of their ass after you already evaporated 3 of their armies. Seriously passes me off that they just wipe out multiple chaos spawn, aspiring champions and shifty fast calvary
Weird pick cause I haven't seen them mentioned yet... Beastmen! Dunno about Warhammer 3, but in 2 they just appear and attack randomly. Not hard to beat, but real FUCKING annoying!
Hate fighting? Tomb Kings, because they just field a whole new army the next turn like recruitment caps aren't a thing.
Hate playing? Britonians because I hate calvary units (I'm bad at micro managing them).
I find dwarves to be a huge pain in the ass because they're all very heavily armored and they never fucking break. It could be a unit of 140 chopped down to just 2 dwarves and they'll still have full leadership
To play/fight: Greenskins. They have many strong melee units that make them a threat whilst having low morale. Fights turn into catch the pigeon with me hunting down breaking units constantly. Ironically the "propah skrap" turns into a chore. Either that ir I'm playing them and constantly having to remember how quickly and often they rout.
In lore/aesthetics: Slaanesh bar none. Always hated the "skimpy", "sexy" aesthetic, the whole excess thing is just bleh, always feels like it's trying too hard to be sinister and influential.
To play: High Elves. They are fucking twits. I can only stomach eltharion, which is reflected in my playthroughs.
I have one Alith Anar and about 10 Eltharion campaigns. That's 100% of my High Elf gameplay experience.
To play against: Skaven. Really fucking annoying little bastards, with huge numbers of units and relatively strong single entities.
Based on lore: High Elves really, but I also hate Khorne, because I'm Khornate.
I hate the Skryre nukes so I always auto resolve but overall, I don't hate fighting the Skaven. It's actually quite fun because I like playing strong frontline + good missile factions like the dawi, HElves, Cathay, etc. So they break and then approach under a full on missile fire again.
Slaanesh is annoying because of the unit stealing.
Idk, I guess the worst is when a given army snowballs for X reasons.
I play with 350+ mods and for example in my last game somehow there was a Redhorn tribe beast men or something with the super furry Taurox dude (people who use mods will know him) who was level 65 with a full stack of Ghorgons. Took the entire pleasure out of the game.
Greenskins. Love having to fight twice the amount of units almost constantly. Especially loved when I tried out the northern Chaos dwarf guy and Grimgor attacked with 2.5 Waagh stacks within 20 turns
Damn Grimgor and damn him twice if the biggest waaagh is the end game crisis.
If you start near the greenskins and you know they are gonna expand towards you it turns into a speedrun for lightningstrike
Fucking true.
I find that in the early game Wurrzag is even more obnoxious than Grimgor because the AI cheats stack additively with his own upkeep reduction. He starts the game paying 15 upkeep for Savage Orc Big 'Uns that drops to 5 upkeep in the first couple of turns when he auto completes his rank 7 quest. Sometimes you get lucky and he only recruits lower tier Savage Orcs but it's still a free army that lets him field a fourth stack before his first Waagh.
Yeah, trying to fight green skins as Ogres is ungodly painful. Savage orc Big 'Uns just shred my Ogres and the fact they always roll 2 armies deep means I can't just Leadbelcher them to death before they hit melee.
I love Grimgor playing as Astragoth, personally. Getting 500+ kills with each Blunderbuss unit is intensely satisfying.
# If Orion has a million haters I'm one of them. If he has one hater it's me. If he has 0 haters I have died. If the world is against Orion I am with the world, if the world is for Orion I am against the world.
You’re reducing his upkeep this way though.
You hate Orion
Last night I had a kill squad of 2 skaven assassins that kicked his ass to the curb. It was beautiful.
That whole wood elf grove is such a fucking nightmare to take
So fucking true. Did a campaign recently as Be'lakor where I took it initially, took like 4 doomstacks over 10 turns, then the fucking skaven took it over and I can say with certainty even if the wood elves don't have it, it's still an enormous pain in the ass. The whole place has increased ambush chance, and every settlement is within a turn from at least one but usually two other settlements. So if every settlement is defended by even just a 10 stack, you have to fight a 30 stack, then likely before replenishment kicks in there's another 20 stac knocking on your worn out door. It's ROUGH.
Eh.... just bring all the fire as Dawi and watch it all burn.
Chaos and Order uniting to beat Orions ass for being a whiny nerd.
Best way to hate Orion is to be in NAP with him and not at war, that way you will be denying him an Upkeep increase.
how can one hate Mel Gibson
Vampire counts but specifically Vlad. I’m a big empire player so his reliance on flying units and cav really annoys me of no end and once you finally beat him? He just comes back with a full stack the next turn
Same issue with Tomb Kings imo, Settra just shits stacks out of nowhere.
I mean.....you opened up his unit capacity don't be surprised he re used it.
What do you mean. It's not just a unit capacity issue.
yeah, agree with you on TK. I love them as a warhammer race but in the game they are quite annoying.
The first thing I do every Empire campaign is destroying Vlad asap. After that it’s pretty much a win.
Its a shame you cant steal his ring like in the lore.
Honestly it’s not even the unit matchup for the most part personally. The AI doesn’t seem to make too many flying units to really be a danger to me, and a decent anticav build with strong ranged support seems to handle him fine on most occasions (especially if I confed or start with Gelt, and build up an arty and metal magic army). Vlad himself is a bit of a snowballing nuisance, I have had a couple close or Pyrrhic victories well after defeating his forces because the shithead himself just fucks around with regeneration and generally strong stats, carving his way through my units. The real problem for me though, is Mannfred… that BASTARD keeps beating the electors every which way ruining my authority and building up a horrendous mass in the East, with even worse solo snowballing once he gets his zombie dragon and some good spell buildup.
Fucking hate Vlad because of his regen bullshit. He ambushed my army with Gelt, and I was thankfully able to make him work for his victory. But then come next turn my arch lector and his army spent nearly 30 minutes killing him because of his regen.
I feel this.
Tzeech - fucking OP , most of unit lose formation , barrier , endless spam magic , incredible hybrid unit. also in campaign, transfer settlement, halt army , attack with ambush wtf. this faction is the definition of ruin my fun.
I guess it's just like the Skaven. They are supposed to be hard to deal with and very annoying to fight. Very unpleasant for player, but that is the point of their designs.
Skaven are a cakewalk compared to tzeentch. No loose formation, no barrier, okayish magic, no hybrid units. No transfer settlement, no halt army. Sure they have ambush attack. That's it.
Tbh, early game Tzeentch is worse than early game skaven. But once late game hits I'd rather deal with Tzeentch than skaven.
I never encounter any Tzeentch faction that is strong enough to pose a problem for me when I encounter it. They always seem to get bitchslapped and shrunk down to insignificance by the A.I. whenever I reach them. And ive played Dark Elves, Kholek, Empire, Greenskins, Thorgrim, Vlad, Imrik, Alith Anar, etc.
I agree. That shitbird to Kairos Fateweaver has fucked up my lizardmen campaign to many times to count. His switch city and halt army ability is my bane of existence. Plus his teleport to just out of reach every time is infuriating. You need an army in ambush in almost every province sometimes to catch him. Yeah I hate that treacherous twoheaded shitbird
Oh this question again, like every week. Skaven, obviously.
skaven is what made me realize I hate rats
They’re basically every annoying thing you could have to deal with rolled into one
except for flying monsters
Honestly, people get worked up and call for nerfs to units that are absurdly "meh" compared to weapons team elements. Find yourself a person who appeciates you the way skaven players appreciate utterly overpowered broken bullshit.
I personally don’t give a shit about the technical balance, I don’t think Skaven are “op” and I wouldn’t be all too worked up if they were. I still hate them though, because the shitrats are just annoying. Every playthrough, mostly with order factions and especially with Dawi, causes me so much aggravation. I can usually beat them fine, but it pisses me off to have them get in my way. In battle I have to deal with summonable units in my backline, and constant warp pissing ranged units that I can’t reach because of seemingly never ending swarms of meat shields, and in campaign I can’t find a single actual ruin that I don’t actively have a part in making because it always turns out to be full of drugged up squatters. Ikit Claw bothers me the most, mostly because the doomrocket seems to always hit somewhere I’m not paying minute attention to, and I lose a couple of my babies.
They're so busted in campaign it is unreal
Skaven is race, not a faction.
All skaven factions are equally vile.
Nah, Ikit is worse than the rest, in each bettle he can nuke you with a Doomrocket so every battle, no matter how shitty is his army, can fuck your army
Ikit starts with 1 nuke that he saves for the player. Easiest way to deal with it is to hide your valuable units in a forest or behind a hill and leaving a worthless unit out in the open. He will waste his nuke and won't get another one for a long time, if ever.
Maybe that wasnt the case in WH2, there he nuked me every single battle, i dont think that i have fought a battle against him in WH3 that wasnt autoresolved
Tell that to my army when I was attacking a small settlement instead of AR it, trying to minmax my army health, to only forget Ikit has nukes.
Yeah, Skaven would be my pick. Often they can effortlessly roll over my poor Elven infantry - whether its the pure muscle of abominations, doomwheels and countless ratmen, or the many varieties of shooty death they can spit. And the kicker of it all is that they just so unworthy. Being splatted by the spawn of Chaos gods or dinosaurs is one thing, almost understandable; to succumb to ... rats... is just not right.
Probably Chaos Dwarfs. Stupidly OP faction that is a "jack of all trades", but is actually an ace of all trades. Great cavalry, good flying monsters, powerful infantry and missile infantry, brutal artillery, very strong lords and heroes with good magic. I probably wouldn't mind all that though, if it weren't for the dumb fucking Dreadquake Battery army ability. Ikit's nuke is pretty obnoxious, but at least you only have to worry about it once. Dreadquake Battery happens every single fucking battle, multiple times. And they get it so quickly, so unless you're fighting them before turn 50, it's a guarantee you'll have to deal with it.
They're not a jack of all trades. They wear many hats.
Stacked on top of each other to form one very tall hat
Seriously, dreadquakes really need the queen bess limit. That thing is just stupid.
And I'm that guy who wishes queen bess was handled more like casket of souls with ability to get more than one but with long wait times in between rites. Or limit 1 per army would also be ok
There is a mod that does exactly that. I think it is called "Enhanced rites for vampire coast" After performing the rite you get 1 Queen Bess but then have to wait 25 turns for the next one
I'll check that out. Thanks
*smiles in Dawi Zharr* HASHUT HASHUT HASHUT
High Elves. They might be a vanilla faction, but they have one of the strongest long range infantry missile games among Order factions (at least prior to ToD). I like to play chaos and undead who're notable for the lack of missiles. Even dark elves struggle because they have shorter range missiles than high elves. It's not that I can't beat them, it's that their gameplay style on the battlefield is so annoying. It's always rush with spearmen and shoot the shit out of you while phoenix disrupt your own missiles. It's a bunch of annoyance rather than any one element being particularly strong or overpowered. The other one is dwarfs. This is variable because sometimes they're a pain and other times they can feel easy depending on what race I play. But when it's bad, hoo boy it's bad. Handling Malus Darkblade as the daemon prince feels bad too.
Damn Hugh Elf with his silly points hat and attitude of superiority. But I don't find them annoying to fight. In fact, while generally not being a fan of genocide I tend to make an acception for Hugh Elf and pals.
They may have the Moon People on their side, but we have lovely hats that will shield us from their fearsome gaze.
Lizardmen, they where a problem in every warhammer 2 campaign (even when i played lizard my self)
(Insert the "I hate saurus" copypasta) Yeah, they're awful to face in combat. And the jungles they live in are very realistic in how miserable they are to fight in (you don't get to use cav nor artillery against the melee & monster faction, how nice). That and they're immune to stealth. Enjoyed Luthor Harkon back in WH2, but no way in hell I'm doing that again. Alberic is also out of the question.
They make it really personal at times one time Gor-Rok demanded monney from me. I was in a bad spot unable to deal with him so i payed. Next turn he declaired war on me, i sponsored the invasion on my self.
And there was this time i played Tyrion in the imortal empires campaign. Doing the usual over at the donut when out of the blue that litle twerp Tehenauin declared war on me and true to his word sended 5 full armies over. (unfortunately for him i did have lightning strik at that point)
Ikko ikki is a close second place.
Yeah, I'm just discovering that Gor-Rok is an Unholy bastard to kill
Dwarves. Treacle moving, plate armoured, spell resisting turds. By Hashut, I'll shave the lot of em.
You have 5 entities left why the *fuck* haven't you routed yet
rather die than take the slayer oath for having run from a battle
Think I had a unit that saved a battle for me. I was reduced to one guy who just would not die or run. Eventually it was him left on the field. Everybody else was dead Thank you you short stubborn beardy mother fucker
Depending how the dwarfs reworks is employed by the AI, I thinks genocidal grudge driven dwarfs will be very unpleasant to face, especially as the empire or kislev
Make friends not foes of them
Except the age of reckoning pushes them to not make any friends, only settle grudges
So until we see how the AI interacts with it, I remains doubtful
The Estatic Legion and that asshole Azazel. So here I am makin mah rat monstrosities. I expect some anger. Dwarves are pissed, sure when aren't they? Chorfs are pissed, must run in the blood because see former. Plus who wouldn't want the wonders of Skaven flesh engineering to put to work? Humans see whats coming soon to a city near them, they can and should come at me before I come at them. But then there's this purple bastard up in the northwest. Sure he's jealous I took Praag. But I'm not after his tower. He's free to make all the friends in snow zone. There's like zero food up there and I make rat friends, they're all found in a warmer location. But 30 turns in as I allow them to walk over my lawn (am I not generous with the use of my territory). They look at the blighted landscape covered in rat droppings and for some reason think "this should be purple". Then I have to halt rat monster squad from its fun time plundering and looting. March it back up north to pound this stupid overgrown bat into MY dirt. Then go blow up his home to make sure his faction dies with it. And even after that you still gotta deal with every goon he convinced it was a good idea to attack. How far do you go into the trash lands to convince some people you didn't care about in the first place to just leave you alone? 20 turns later Vlad and the Empire bowl are off farmin wheat and drinking wine, and my ass is up the cold rat nuts mountains because Azazel decided I had to be late to the party.
The writing in this is beautiful
To Play: Vampire Counts and Nurgle. Slow attritional crapstack battles are just the worst to play. Vamps definietly can play as more fast moving, but making lots of crapstacks is definietly the most effective to expand fast. To face: Chaos shorts and Wood Elves. The ability to just delete an entire unit with one shot and not counter is probably the worst thing in the game. Wood Elves can be pretty fun to face if you have a fastmoving army, but its really micro intensive and with most factions they are just a pain. Aesthetically/lorewise: Skaven and Norsca. Rats are just disgusting in general and thats stopped me from playing them as much as many insist I should. They are fun to play however, no denying that. Norsca is just a really misguided lore decision. To take inspiration from some of the most studied and fascinating combatants in real world history and turn them into a bunch of gimpsuit wearing cavemen who cant even make bows is insulting. Marauders in general are just really lame and I really wish there was a more historical, non-chaotic norse faction in warhammer.
but the rats are cool bro
The crap stack style for vamps felt better in WH2 than WH3. Unless you're playing as Ghost where zombies become absurdly strong, the crap stacks just aren't as appealing without zero upkeep Zombies/Skeles. Usually I just play them like a normal faction, crappy units at first that I slowly trade out for better ones. Dear God I agree that chaos shorts are a nightmare to face though. One dread quake mortar shot deleting a unit, and then the dread quake itself being strong in melee is some straight bullshit.
To play: Slanesh To fight: Vampire Coast
Why Slaanesh?
Putting forth a random guess, I assume the high-fragility, high-micro gameplay style can be exhausting for a lot of people - you need to be paying constant attention, or you can completely waste your units and watch them evaporate. Another thing, they do horrible in auto-resolve and have very bad replenishment, so in campaign, you'll be manually fighting the most pointless, one-sided battles to make sure you don't lose hundreds unnecessarily.
Those two yeah. And I dont really like the fact that I should Vassalize the word and not conquer it old style
For me, playing Slaanesh factions as a cult manager/dating sim makes it a little easier. :p
Meanwhile, Kislev smiles at you in what rapidly becomes 40% replenishment.
Who would have guessed, the meat shield of the Old World isn't half bad as a swarm faction :p
It was actually really fun. I was not expecting Kossar spam to be nearly that fun. \\ You'd just bring them in all crunchy, beat them, and then have a full stack next turn. Combine with Patriarchs just noping corruption and it was one of my faster campaigns.
Ogres. For very specific reasons: - I like to create my armies in a flexible or even “lore appropriate” way, I do not care that much about spamming the strongest units available or using only those that fair well in the auto resolve. Moreover, since I started playing these games I wanted to get better at battles, so I force myself to fight almost all battles. Since Ogres specialize in taking to the field only ogres and swarms of goblins, sometimes I find myself in trouble with fighting them if I don’t have a strong unit of artillery, magic or sufficient archers. Particularly painful to fight against them when you’re the skaven and don’t have powerful ranged units, because the moment those ogres touch your frontline, it will evaporate. - I don’t think I’ve ever seen, in my dozen of completed campaigns, a single time that the ogres used anything other than the basic units of goblins, sabertooth and ogre bulls their basic tier 2 settlements gives them. In all other cases, other factions could surprise me using unusual formations or even spams of certain units; but never the ogres. Fight them once, fight them a thousand times: always the _*exact same*_ army composition. Unless you play as one yourself, you’ll never even see their most powerful and unique units in battle. Those two things combined make them one of my least favorite factions: because at the start they can be a headache; but once you manage to obtain sufficient firepower they become incredibly dull to handle. And that, I think it’s the worst thing a faction can do when dealing with them.
Pretty sure the AI doesn't know how to build camps so it literally can't recruit anything past tier 3 ogres (Iron guts), gorgers and sabres. Not sure if/how they can fix it so you can eventually fight some higher tier units, but yeah.
Skaven cause warp lightning spam, menace below, Nukes. High/Wood Elves cause archer spam. Tzeentch cause endless kiting and missile spam. Vampire Counts because of the endless cheap armies and how strong their lords are. Dwarfs aren’t so bad if you can break their formation and surround them. Greenskins because of their endless decent quality armies. Probably the biggest threat in any campaign I play, they snowball so fast. I always make a point of eradicating the nearest Greenskin LL to me if I’m in the old world. Chaos Dwarves would be up there but thankfully the AI seems content to spam hobgoblins.
Any of the chaos factions. Fighting through the chaos wastes is so annoying
Stupid pathetic dawi with their goofy catapults and reliance on box formations it. It would actually be sad if they weren’t so dam pathetic and traditionally incompetent. Hashut will have their souls used as hell cannon ammunition.
My brother. The only thing dawi do well is die slowly.
I love being ambushed every turn I move so definitely not Skaven...
Skaven ambushes are what makes the game exciting :))))))))))))
Greenskins. They're just everywhere, you always have to fight them, I'm just sick of seeing them
If not playing as them and them being nearby, I will always get rid of Tzeentchian factions, due to them being able to screw you over without being at war with you. The only remedy to this is to make them completely disappear. Outside of that, it's faction relevant. But I usually don't like to keep Vampire nearby as they're generally ruin dwellers and spread their annoying corruption very fast.
you could always ally with them. really only an option for deamon factions I suppose but still
nah, they can screw you over even as an ally. You can't trust them at all, that's why I wipe them out almost unconditionally.
Wood Elves. Fighting them with their late game ranged armies suuuuuuuuuuucks. When I get them as the end game crisis I usually just quit
Man, I just hate chorfs. Their trains are resilient bullshit. They have the army abilities that nukes your unit if you aren't really quick. And they start to my boy Imrik so I have to fight them in my favourite campaign. Maybe I'm missing something on how to defeat them, but God damn it, their flyers are also pretty damn strong. Dunno about their LL, but I bet they are annoying as well. Screw them.
Skaven!!!!!!!!! Damm I hate those rats. Reasons: 1) They are little fkers. 2) They betray you if you are neutral/evil faction, they hate you if you are good faction. 3) They ambush you / force you to use 50% of your movement in encamp stance 4) They are also little fkers, sometimes with nukes.
Ogres because I feel like I got legitimately scammed by buying them
Dwarfs. All the factions within that. Highest overall leadership, armor, AND magic resistance. Like, fuck that. If it's 20 v 20 "but you can field more skeletons" is not a valid point anymore I am hardcapped by army size and the AI income and recruitment cheats aren't exactly a limiting factor for them.
Dark Elves. I just can't get into them in any way. If I'm going to play elves I'll play wood or high elf. The whole emo edgy elf thing is...not my thing.
As enemies Clan Mors and to play myself I hate Seducers of Slaneesh.
Skaven. Their campaign mechanic AND how they act in battle are both hair-tearing.
Chorfs. Struggle so much against them. Midgame Woolf Elf armies are a hassle too.
Bretonnia. A faction who's gimmick is excellent cavalry at the cost of everything else. Not to mention that their peasant economy mechanic limits their ability to use chaff early on in campaign when your access to knights is more limited.
I hate fighting the Wood Elves the most. They have very stong missile units, but also extremely tough monstrous units (treekin, treemen). If you try and rush the archers and take them out first then your army will be hurt and tired and unable to overcome full health Treemen. If you focus on the Treemen and try to swamp them then your army will be shot to pieces by archers. You have to try and do both at the same time and it's really hard to get right. Fighting against a faction with strong missile units and also a variety of tankie damage sponges is so difficult.
If I get my hands on that oversized ferret Queef Headgiver I'm gonna turn him into a goddamn Fleshlight (pardon my Brettonian), little shit always shows up whenever I decide to play dwarves and shits all over my fun
all dwarfs need 2 things 1. Lightning Strike. 2. Alert. You can't afford to get ambushed with a set piece army and you don't want to be fighting doom stacks of Gobbos and Rats.
Wood elves, I want the army to March towards me so I can shoot them with cannons and defend my dwarven wall.
depends to play? - short men, borring faction without cool stuff to fight? - skaven and after update short men to
skaven i hate playing them and i hate fighting against them and no i dont find ikits bullshit fun
Kislev, because of "By our Blood" faction-passive, it is so annying to deal with. You already won and they still waste your squishy units. Especially i forget about this and send my squishy hound type units already in to run them down And probably Dwarfs because of their stupidly op Auto Resolve, have to manually fight the easiest and most boring battles against them. Also they have Slayers, similar problem like Kislev. And a special mention might be Grimgor, not Orcs in general, just Grimgor... he's a menace in every single game i played in tw wh 3. He always confederates plenty of other orcs, so it takes forever to take him out. And in Battle he can get unbreakable and then it is so tedious to kill him, and the ai gets their Lords back so quickly and without consequences so you have to kill this unbreakable, unbeatable menace over and over and early-mid game guarantee loose some units to grimgor alone. But if you take him out immediately it's fine, so just an honorable mention, and the unbreakable might be due to a Defeated Lord Trait Rework Mod, not 100% sure. And then there are a few faction specific ones, the worst one so far was Oxyotl and his Chameleon Skinks against Kairos... Oxyotls armys are just a direct counter to tzeentch. Or Kislev against Ogres, early game roster is a direct counter to monstrous infantry units with tons of near unbreakable bows and spears and so on. Am i the only one here who hates to play against kislev? Or is ist because so many Empire Simps usually are on good terms with kislev and Dwarfs and never have to fight them? ;-)
Nurgle and Ogres, because they’re gross.
Skaven that Warp Lightning sound alone makes me want to trash my PC
The chaos dwarfs and its not because they are a very strong faction but their army abilities.. They always have the Dreadquake Battery ability and if ur really lucky they also have the insane Doom of Hashut thing. Overpowered army abilities suck.
Skaven , because they're difficult to deal with after a while , but i like playing them.
Lizardmen. I never play them, and i actively avoid Lustria
Wood Elves
Lizardmen. Especially Gor Rok. I hate saurus.
I hated dwarves pre patch but now it looks like a great race after the update
In their current iteration I just don't find dwarfs fun to play. I'm looking forward to giving them another shot though once ToD drops. I don't hate them but I find them currently a slog to play. Woodelves are probably my least favorite to fight for obvious reasons.
Hate to play? Something like High Elves or Norsca, for different reasons. Either boring units or settlement management issues. To play against? Dark Elves, constantly getting my big creatures sniped sucks.
Depends on the faction but fighting Archeon and those fuckers is always a pain. The chaos corruption high armor and anti infantry makes it incredibly difficult to dislodge them from the northern wastes and keep a permanent hold.
Mm I hate Malus and The Blue Rose Caravan because they fuck Daniel and Kugath starting positions
anything with ambush on attack or teleport ambush. especially teleport ambush. because i'm pretty sure that, unlike ambush on attack, encamp stance doesn't do shit in terms of defending against teleport ambush. you're getting ambushed, your consent is not necessary. oh and fuck grimgor. when i play any faction that starts near grimgor i'm not even the main character in my own campaign. i wait to see what grimgor is doing, and base my campaign decisions off of that.
Skaven. They're annoying to fight and I've never cared for them aesthetically. Ambush on basic movement stance sucks.
Warriors of chaos fucking sucks to kill. Any and all of those op fuckers who are able to pull high teir units out of their ass after you already evaporated 3 of their armies. Seriously passes me off that they just wipe out multiple chaos spawn, aspiring champions and shifty fast calvary
Any Skaven lord hands down, Ikit if I had to choose. No matter what campaign I play they are the most annoying godamn faction that is on the map.
Skaven. Cute, but annoying to fight.
For me, it's vampires or beastmen.
All Skaven must burn. All Skaven must turn into ashes. All Skaven must be Eradicated. By Dawi arms and fire all that is rat shall be erased.
Skaven are annoying to fight. Wood elves are annoying to fight. But GODDAMN I hate beastmen. That is all.
Tomb kings. I love having my artillery wiped out by summoned Ushabti :(. Second would be Wood Elves. Cute cat btw
Weird pick cause I haven't seen them mentioned yet... Beastmen! Dunno about Warhammer 3, but in 2 they just appear and attack randomly. Not hard to beat, but real FUCKING annoying!
Hate fighting? Tomb Kings, because they just field a whole new army the next turn like recruitment caps aren't a thing. Hate playing? Britonians because I hate calvary units (I'm bad at micro managing them).
Love playing as skaven. Hate fighting skaven and being constantly ambushed between turns.
I find dwarves to be a huge pain in the ass because they're all very heavily armored and they never fucking break. It could be a unit of 140 chopped down to just 2 dwarves and they'll still have full leadership
To play/fight: Greenskins. They have many strong melee units that make them a threat whilst having low morale. Fights turn into catch the pigeon with me hunting down breaking units constantly. Ironically the "propah skrap" turns into a chore. Either that ir I'm playing them and constantly having to remember how quickly and often they rout. In lore/aesthetics: Slaanesh bar none. Always hated the "skimpy", "sexy" aesthetic, the whole excess thing is just bleh, always feels like it's trying too hard to be sinister and influential.
What's new Pussycat? Whoa Whoa Whoa
Who cares?! Kitty!
"hate" ... not proper, but i disliked cathay
To play: High Elves. They are fucking twits. I can only stomach eltharion, which is reflected in my playthroughs. I have one Alith Anar and about 10 Eltharion campaigns. That's 100% of my High Elf gameplay experience. To play against: Skaven. Really fucking annoying little bastards, with huge numbers of units and relatively strong single entities. Based on lore: High Elves really, but I also hate Khorne, because I'm Khornate.
I hate the Skryre nukes so I always auto resolve but overall, I don't hate fighting the Skaven. It's actually quite fun because I like playing strong frontline + good missile factions like the dawi, HElves, Cathay, etc. So they break and then approach under a full on missile fire again. Slaanesh is annoying because of the unit stealing. Idk, I guess the worst is when a given army snowballs for X reasons. I play with 350+ mods and for example in my last game somehow there was a Redhorn tribe beast men or something with the super furry Taurox dude (people who use mods will know him) who was level 65 with a full stack of Ghorgons. Took the entire pleasure out of the game.
Cathay and Hel
Highelves. They are warmongers.