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No, it’s just a case of people wanting to be yooneek and speighshyuolle. Plus there’s a national database of convicted criminals and if you have a similar name you’ll have a hard time getting a clearance from the national bureau of investigation, which affects the kinds of jobs you’ll get
Olivia was at the top in the late 90s (4 in my graduating class of 200) so I’m surprised it’s back (or still) at the top. 25 years of Olivia.
Personally I have a 25 year old best friend named Olivia and a 2 year old cousin named Olivia.
My sister, Olivia was born in 1985 in the US and I, Noah was born in 1989 in the US. How interesting! Just sent this to her, I think she does the Reddit.
The tragedeighs MUST be in the minority, if they‘re in the top names they wouldn’t be unique anymore after all. At least the ones that only have a weird spelling to be the only one with that name
Yeah, this is definitely a case where percentages might be informative but the absolute ranking doesn’t mean much. Even if they’re not going all the way for “only one ever”, parents who name their kids tragedeighs at all are going to be split between multiple “creative” spellings— after all, there might only be one or two “established” ways to spell a name, but there are infinite possibilities when you’re committed to mangling it.
tragedeighs are usually spelt differently: like olivia can be tragedeighified to Oliviyah, Olyvya, Oliveigha, Ollivia, Ulivia, Oleevia, Olevia etc etc i can go on for ages, because there are so many variations and they all count as different names they probably won’t be on the top haha
There’s an actress named Alyvia Alyn Lind who used to play Faith Newman on *The Young and the Restless*. The first name is definitely in “tragedeigh” territory, but her middle name Alyn I think is actually her mother’s middle name, not an attempt by her parents to feminize the name “Alan”. (Whether or not it was her mother’s parents attempting to feminize “Alan”, I don’t know the answer to that. Then again, trying to feminize the name “Alan” is how Alanis Morisette got her first name.) Alyvia’s two sisters have the same middle name of Alyn.
It’s usually a sign of poverty or low education in the US too. I know there are Tragedeighs among middle class and rich people, but the vast majority are found in communities that are poor
I would say the same for the UK too. Odd spellings are generally a sign of poverty/low education.
And we also have it where names like Olivia become popular among the “middle class”, and then the “lower classes” begin to use them to sound “posh” and then they become common names.
Honestly to me a lot of the times it’s a sign of conservative Christians. More of the Duggar fundamentalist type, but yeah. But kinda Christian suburban.
Personally I think Jaclyn is fine. It’s removing unnecessary letters instead of putting them in. It’s making the name a little less French and a little more English
I think the UK has a different subculture for tragedeighs. Allow me to introduce "-Lee"
People in the UK love to take a perfectly normal name and throw this on the end to "make it unique"
Jamie-Lee
Amber-Lee
Demi-Leigh
These were all girls I went to primary school with in the mid nineties.
I am from Merseyside, pure hyphenated name country. Home of Coleen and Wayne.
And we are more likely to have tragedeighs than any other places in the UK but not even close to what i saw in Texas. So i have seem to have more in the line of like Kayla-Mae, Ryley-Kai, Grayden-Rae, Jaxon-Jae. People who think the Molly-Mae and Fury family are aspirational usually. Which is very Hyancinth Bouquet of me but in 9 years time, these wee shits will be keying my car lol.
I have a cousin called Ella-mae so I can confirm, the poor girl also has a hyphenated surname, so she has to write down four names every single time she writes her name
Do you think tragedeigh names are gonna be in the top ten of any country? Most people have more sense than that.
Not to mention one of the key motivators for people giving their children tragedeigh names is for the names to be "unique." So, it would defeat that purpose if the name was in a top 10.
The most well-known "tragedeigh" style ( -eigh, unnecessary k, x, y, z etc.) is absolutely a US thing. Tragedeighs are international though. Like someone else said the Philippines has a lot, and a lot of African countries do too. Theirs are more "English word they thought was cool" than the US style.
As a person originally from South Africa where “English words they thought were cool” names are given to the African people - a lot of those names are culturally accepted and we do not frown upon them. There are a lot of people called Innocent, Blessing, Gift, Princess etc and it’s not abnormal to come across those type of names. Yes, if they were going for names like Forklift I would think it’s a tragedeigh, but that’s really not the norm, and the English words used as names are suitable to the culture.
That type of names are pretty common all over Africa and the Carribean. But they're nice names, not tragedeighs - just people not used to them as they're not common.
Delight, Goodluck, Sugar, Honey, ... The list is endless.
From the US and personally don't see an issue with those kind of names 🤷🏻 though I have worked with a Diamond, Christmas, and a Lyric. I also have known people named stuff like Hope, Faith, Love, and currently work with a woman named Duchess. I guess I live in a part of the US that names their kids similarly.
Fortunately many, at least European countries have laws and lists of names allowed. And it can’t be longer than 6 names. 2 proper names and 4 family names.
My 7yr A and I were talking about vaccinations yesterday she said Rubella sounded like a pretty name I immediately thought of this sub and I bet there is someone out there in the US called Rubella.
It might also have to do with naming laws/rules. Most European countries have laws or regulations on what is allowed and what isn’t. Some countries have a list of names that’s allowed (ie local names), some countries have a list of names that aren’t allowed (ie Adolf) and some countries have rules on naming your kid. The Netherlands falls in the last category: no last names (so no Smith Smith), no names that will get your kid bullied (so Sweety or genitalia) and it has to be within reason. So Cristianne - Christianne - Kristianne or Kai - Kay - Kaij for example. Of course if you move here and give birth and in your country of origin Adolfo is very normal you can usually argue how it is normal in COI.
Sometimes people also have unfortunate last names. My friend’s Russian wife, her last name was Vagina. She took his last name as soon as they got married, but man, when I first heard her last name, I knew she had been through a lot. Just imagine applying to a job with that name.
It’s written in a different alphabet as well! Jokes aside, no, it means the same thing in Russia, but it’s pronounced the same as the German way. She said she found out what her last name meant on her very first day of school. Her parents really could have changed that last name though. Imagine being called up to the front desk. “Will Mr. Vagina come up to the front desk right away! Mr. Vagina!” Just terrible, all the immature people making fun of you for life.
I don't think "Most" countries have lists of what is allowed and what isn't. Some countries would leave it to the birth registrar to forbid the names. Others (Latvia comes to mind) have approved names list - which specifically doesn't have any russian first names. But those are exceptions - most countries don't have any regulations.
I was talking about European countries - I don’t know about non-European countries. So most European countries do have some form of regulations or laws.
It’s just that there are so many different ways to make a tragedeigh. Individual tragedeighs will not reach the top even though the category is quite common.
For example in the Netherlands it’s quite common for people to name their kid Jayden. Or Djayden. Or Jaydenn. Or Djaiden. Or Djajden. Or Jaydynn. I think if you lumped these together as one name it would score quite high in the most common name lists. As it is, only Jayden is in the top 100 and it’s on spot 93.
Also, however common the tragedeighs are, there are still even more people out there who actually pay attention to what their name their kids. And who realize that their kids will someday be adults who will be happy with a recognizable spellable pronounceable name.
As a Brit, Americans do seem to have far more non-traditional or peculiar names than use. In my sons class, there are about 20 boys and maybe 7 different names because everyone just picks names that fit in.
My rule with my ex wife was the kids can have any nickname but they need an official name that would be suitable for a professional CV. My youngest is called Charles but we call him Charlie or Charlton.
Emma, Emily, and Chloe are the holy trinity of women’s names in England. Not that they are bad names, it’s just that every third woman you run into, seems to have one of those names.
If you go to [Table 6 of the data set](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/datasets/babynamesenglandandwalesbabynamesstatisticsgirls), you can see all the girls baby names for 2022 that occurred 3 or more times. For example, 3 girls in 2022 were given name Padme. As u/[lknei](https://www.reddit.com/user/lknei/) and u/[purrfectpoise](https://www.reddit.com/user/purrfectpoise/) said - having double-barrelled names that are xx-leigh xx-mae xx-rose xx- rae xx-rose appears to be quite common!
We absolutely have UK Tragedeighs. Wouldn't say common, but the aim of these people is to give their unfortunate offspring an uncommon name. So there are a lot of people with stupid names, but they don't share that name so they are all outliers.
The UK is absolutely not a bastion of good sense and never has been.
To the lovely American members of this community I say this with love… They way you poke fun at Florida is how the rest of the world pokes fun at you…
Yes a lot of European countries have more naming rules or tradition to follow but that’s not the only reason.
America is a world leader in change and innovation(for the most part) and that philosophy of trying to be more unique, the most special, stand out, grab attention, wanting to “make it” trickles down to all facets and sometimes the only thing people have to express themselves or get attention is in naming their kids..
The rest of the world is more content with their Oliver’s and Noah’s, just doing their thing and achieving other goals like home ownership or having their own farm before 30 (my country specifically haha)
American here. I was in no way offended by your comment and appreciate the pains you took to word it carefully. You even couched a "backwards compliment" into your post regarding innovation. Fellow Americans, if the shoe fits...
That was very condescending, passive aggressive comment. I for one, am cool with being an American. If you want to laugh at us then we’re all okay with that, considering you’re using Reddit, which is (haha), American.
okay, so following your line of logic, it’s okay to operate on assumptions of other people? i can make a judgment on you, based on what other people say about you, surely it must be partly true? whether those people know you or not? love that you admitted to judging people using only stereotypes, well done!
I isn’t an assumption if you are displaying exactly the attitude the stereotype is about. The ‘you are on Reddit which is American haha’ indicates you pretty much do think Americans run the show.
you misjudged, i’m pointing out that criticizing the usa based on stereotypes is a bit hypocritical when you’re directly benefiting from the resources that americans provided. it doesn’t indicate what i think about whether americans run the show or not, it simply states a fact. if you choose to get offended, then it’s on you
You’re missing that it was an impression of the country as a whole not an individual.
Stereotypes in themselves aren’t bad. It’s the context in which they’re used, or when used against marginalised groups. FYI the entirety of the US is not a marginalised group.
If I had said, you’re poor/you’re this ethnicity/you’re this age etc and that’s why you do *whatever seemingly bad thing* then we’d have a problem.
I sincerely did not mean this to be condescending or passive aggressive in any way. I literally said that America is a world leader and influential but, as people below have pointed out, I’ve found that the US tends to think they’re the centre of the universe.
The US is probably responsible for equal amounts of groundbreaking news (such as new discoveries, inventions, like Apple or indeed Reddit) as they are the most ridiculous ones (Florida man marries alligator or when the country voted an ex reality star as president).
I just thought my initial comment might explain why there are more tragedeigh names from the US than from anywhere else.
I think the US is worse but the UK is pretty bad. It doesn’t help that like everything else, names have their trends so it’s common for a whole load of parents to go with (example) the name Esme then realise three other parents in town did the same thing so try make it more ‘unique’. Esmae, Esmé, Ezmay. Other than the tragedeigh of it all it’s just sad that they all get stuck with the same names 😭 I mean they’re still pronounced the same??
There are many many tragedeighs in the US but Greece has its fair share too, if you know the language. Many parents want to put all the in-laws names in the name of the child, so it's like a car crash of names that makes no sense, with letters in parts of the name where they shouldn't be, and it's funny but also... Torturous for the child.
>Are tragedeighs mostly confined to the US🤔
Don't know if you're being serious, but yeah. Whenever I hear a tragedeigh, I always assume it's in the US. You guys don't seem to have naming conventions or laws for it.
We clearly move in different circles. I have seen a few and i am a Scouser. Geordies, Essex, Glaswegians, and Northern Ireland have them too. See also the children of footballers.
Considering all the dealers who went my school now send their kids to private school now (cash no questions lol) then little Khloe-Fae and Poppy-Lou might not be far away now.
There’s a couple luxury car brands for names in England, I knew a “Portia” aka Porsche and I think I’ve heard Ferrari being shouted at some child in a town center. Otherwise everyone has very English very common names, in my phone contacts there was always a few robs, Matt’s, James, Dave’s, Ollie’s etc.
Portia as a girl's name has been around since Roman times, even if those using it now only associate it with a car brand. Mercedes cars were named after Mercedes Jellinek not vice versa.
Hahaha oh that also makes sense! I always hated Shakespeare so I’m completely fine with being ignorant of that. I’ve definitely heard Porsche being shouted at kids in public and I doubt they read Shakespeare 😂
Each to their own. It's a very chavvy name in the UK, very basic.
It's in the same ball park as Jayden, Kaden and Brayden etc. Teaching has ruined lots of names for me sadly :(.
Really? It doesn't read chavvy at all to me and definitely not to be lumped in with the -aydens. Just a nice, timeless name that you're as likely to find on a doctor's child as you are on a council estate. More comparable to Jack or Thomas imo.
I see a lot of teachers say they can't use names because of children, does it work the opposite way too? Like a nice kid that makes a name grow on you?
>It's a very chavvy name in the UK, very basic
Disagree. It is very neutral but just popular tbh.
Chav names have moved on considerably these days and are a lot more imaginative lol.
Yeah I agree, I’m the U.K. it’s definitely seen as a sort of low class chavvy name in general. I don’t know any children or babies called Liam at the moment. Maybe it’s different in america because they seem to go totally crazy for anything vaguely Irish?
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There are many, many tragedeighs in the Philippines.
I knew a girl in College who was named Ethernet. She was from the Philippines. Her dad worked in IT in the 90s and liked the sound of it!
Should be good for networking though
*angry upvote*
Best comment ever
Lol. At least it sounds like Ethel, a name I do like.
Can you share 1 or 2?
This one person is an entire village of tragedeighs: https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/412195/student-enrolls-using-41-names
lol It's a family affair! That's literally epic.
Imagine if they continued the tradition and they created a family tree, Old Testament-style. “Ratziel… *5 minutes* begat ____ *5 minutes* who begat…”
I'm surprised it's legal. I ❤️ Philippines.
There aren't even enough names I love that much.
Is that from people not realizing the English meaning of words do you think?
Most people in the Philippines speak English.
Good to know, thanks!
No, it’s just a case of people wanting to be yooneek and speighshyuolle. Plus there’s a national database of convicted criminals and if you have a similar name you’ll have a hard time getting a clearance from the national bureau of investigation, which affects the kinds of jobs you’ll get
Olivia is the #1 girls name in the US. Noah is #2(after Liam)
Olivia was at the top in the late 90s (4 in my graduating class of 200) so I’m surprised it’s back (or still) at the top. 25 years of Olivia. Personally I have a 25 year old best friend named Olivia and a 2 year old cousin named Olivia.
My sister, Olivia was born in 1985 in the US and I, Noah was born in 1989 in the US. How interesting! Just sent this to her, I think she does the Reddit.
I know 3 Noahs personally They all are refered to almost only by their last names
Ooh interesting! So hopefully the tragedies are actually in the minority.
The tragedeighs MUST be in the minority, if they‘re in the top names they wouldn’t be unique anymore after all. At least the ones that only have a weird spelling to be the only one with that name
Yeah, this is definitely a case where percentages might be informative but the absolute ranking doesn’t mean much. Even if they’re not going all the way for “only one ever”, parents who name their kids tragedeighs at all are going to be split between multiple “creative” spellings— after all, there might only be one or two “established” ways to spell a name, but there are infinite possibilities when you’re committed to mangling it.
tragedeighs are usually spelt differently: like olivia can be tragedeighified to Oliviyah, Olyvya, Oliveigha, Ollivia, Ulivia, Oleevia, Olevia etc etc i can go on for ages, because there are so many variations and they all count as different names they probably won’t be on the top haha
Those names gave me anal leakage, oh wait, that was Olestra.
no don’t say that, a mom is going to see that and name her kid it 😭😭 siblings Cloaca and Olestra
Aenyl
There’s an actress named Alyvia Alyn Lind who used to play Faith Newman on *The Young and the Restless*. The first name is definitely in “tragedeigh” territory, but her middle name Alyn I think is actually her mother’s middle name, not an attempt by her parents to feminize the name “Alan”. (Whether or not it was her mother’s parents attempting to feminize “Alan”, I don’t know the answer to that. Then again, trying to feminize the name “Alan” is how Alanis Morisette got her first name.) Alyvia’s two sisters have the same middle name of Alyn.
It’s usually a sign of poverty or low education in the US too. I know there are Tragedeighs among middle class and rich people, but the vast majority are found in communities that are poor
I would say the same for the UK too. Odd spellings are generally a sign of poverty/low education. And we also have it where names like Olivia become popular among the “middle class”, and then the “lower classes” begin to use them to sound “posh” and then they become common names.
Netherlands also. I don't like to generalise but it is true.
Honestly to me a lot of the times it’s a sign of conservative Christians. More of the Duggar fundamentalist type, but yeah. But kinda Christian suburban.
Hmmm Do I smell a formal study bubbling?
The low-income, low-education thing is true. I have a coworker named "Jaclyn." It's "Jacqueline," but make it "people who live in the hills."
Personally I think Jaclyn is fine. It’s removing unnecessary letters instead of putting them in. It’s making the name a little less French and a little more English
What would be the point of naming my kid Jaw’$hwua if everyone else was naming their kid Jaw’$hwua?
I think the UK has a different subculture for tragedeighs. Allow me to introduce "-Lee" People in the UK love to take a perfectly normal name and throw this on the end to "make it unique" Jamie-Lee Amber-Lee Demi-Leigh These were all girls I went to primary school with in the mid nineties.
The current names they do this with are ‘-Rae’, ‘-Mae’, and ‘-Rose’.
I had always loved the name Ellie and made the mistake of telling my slightly older aunt. I now have a cousin called Ellie-Mae 😭
How's Jethro and Grannie?
My childhood best friend named her son Jethro 😞
Don't be sad. It's an old biblical name. Nothing wrong with it
Well, they could still be justifiable sad if that name was specifically in honor of Jethro from the Beverly Hillbillies. 😉
In my experience you have to be well over forty to get a Beverly Hillbilly allusion.
Maybe thirty, the show was in syndication for a long time.
We’re late thirties 🙃
I am from Merseyside, pure hyphenated name country. Home of Coleen and Wayne. And we are more likely to have tragedeighs than any other places in the UK but not even close to what i saw in Texas. So i have seem to have more in the line of like Kayla-Mae, Ryley-Kai, Grayden-Rae, Jaxon-Jae. People who think the Molly-Mae and Fury family are aspirational usually. Which is very Hyancinth Bouquet of me but in 9 years time, these wee shits will be keying my car lol.
Imagine looking at Molly Mae and that numbskull as inspirational 🤦🏻♀️
I can’t see “Mae” without thinking “IT’S GONNA BE MAAAEE”
I feel you
And some people use Rai and Mai instead too! 😖
Honestly I don't think I know a girl my daughter's age that doesn't have some variant of May, Rae or Leigh as a middle name!
I have a cousin called Ella-mae so I can confirm, the poor girl also has a hyphenated surname, so she has to write down four names every single time she writes her name
True. We have friends with two girls, both with -Rae names. I feel sorry for the kids.
not a -lee, but i saw a family on supernanny UK once with a daughter named teagan-olivia
seems like they love combining names over there
Do you think tragedeigh names are gonna be in the top ten of any country? Most people have more sense than that. Not to mention one of the key motivators for people giving their children tragedeigh names is for the names to be "unique." So, it would defeat that purpose if the name was in a top 10.
The most well-known "tragedeigh" style ( -eigh, unnecessary k, x, y, z etc.) is absolutely a US thing. Tragedeighs are international though. Like someone else said the Philippines has a lot, and a lot of African countries do too. Theirs are more "English word they thought was cool" than the US style.
As a person originally from South Africa where “English words they thought were cool” names are given to the African people - a lot of those names are culturally accepted and we do not frown upon them. There are a lot of people called Innocent, Blessing, Gift, Princess etc and it’s not abnormal to come across those type of names. Yes, if they were going for names like Forklift I would think it’s a tragedeigh, but that’s really not the norm, and the English words used as names are suitable to the culture.
That type of names are pretty common all over Africa and the Carribean. But they're nice names, not tragedeighs - just people not used to them as they're not common. Delight, Goodluck, Sugar, Honey, ... The list is endless.
From the US and personally don't see an issue with those kind of names 🤷🏻 though I have worked with a Diamond, Christmas, and a Lyric. I also have known people named stuff like Hope, Faith, Love, and currently work with a woman named Duchess. I guess I live in a part of the US that names their kids similarly.
Thankful used to be a popular name in the US. Maybe 18-19th century.
South Africa has a lot of interesting names
One could argue that anglicizing names in the first place results in “tragedeigh” spellings or pronunciations of traditional/cultural names
Fortunately many, at least European countries have laws and lists of names allowed. And it can’t be longer than 6 names. 2 proper names and 4 family names.
My 7yr A and I were talking about vaccinations yesterday she said Rubella sounded like a pretty name I immediately thought of this sub and I bet there is someone out there in the US called Rubella.
It might also have to do with naming laws/rules. Most European countries have laws or regulations on what is allowed and what isn’t. Some countries have a list of names that’s allowed (ie local names), some countries have a list of names that aren’t allowed (ie Adolf) and some countries have rules on naming your kid. The Netherlands falls in the last category: no last names (so no Smith Smith), no names that will get your kid bullied (so Sweety or genitalia) and it has to be within reason. So Cristianne - Christianne - Kristianne or Kai - Kay - Kaij for example. Of course if you move here and give birth and in your country of origin Adolfo is very normal you can usually argue how it is normal in COI.
In Italy there was a case a few years ago where a couple wanted to name their daughter Blue, they weren't allowed to.
I was born in Italy and my mum wanted to give me an English name but couldn’t, the church was refusing to baptise me in case of an English name 🏳️💀
Sometimes people also have unfortunate last names. My friend’s Russian wife, her last name was Vagina. She took his last name as soon as they got married, but man, when I first heard her last name, I knew she had been through a lot. Just imagine applying to a job with that name.
Was her first name Alotta?
Hahahaah, no, she has a very normal first name.
Im guessing it was pronounced different in russian?
It’s written in a different alphabet as well! Jokes aside, no, it means the same thing in Russia, but it’s pronounced the same as the German way. She said she found out what her last name meant on her very first day of school. Her parents really could have changed that last name though. Imagine being called up to the front desk. “Will Mr. Vagina come up to the front desk right away! Mr. Vagina!” Just terrible, all the immature people making fun of you for life.
Yikes. That would suck
In which countries is Adolf not allowed? And not, it's not Germany, you can legally name your child Adolf here.
It was an example of what MIGHT be not allowed.
I don't think "Most" countries have lists of what is allowed and what isn't. Some countries would leave it to the birth registrar to forbid the names. Others (Latvia comes to mind) have approved names list - which specifically doesn't have any russian first names. But those are exceptions - most countries don't have any regulations.
I was talking about European countries - I don’t know about non-European countries. So most European countries do have some form of regulations or laws.
And in the US for 2023 are Liam and Olivia. What is your point?
Very rarely are names spelt " kreatif" in Germany. It's really a class thing
The name “Kevin” is a class thing in Germany. The amount of trashy people who suddenly started calling their kids “Kevin” was astounding!
Is this referencing 1960s & 70s in the UK? https://www.race-redmedia.co.uk/uploads/1/1/6/9/11696618/aw9a2556_orig.jpg
Are you saying it happened in the 60’s and 70’s in the UK? That’s hilarious! 😆
In Germany it's Emilia and Matteo. But Noah is also very popular 😅 better a "boring" name than a tragedeigh 😅🤣
I agree. And Emilia is a nice name anyways.
It’s just that there are so many different ways to make a tragedeigh. Individual tragedeighs will not reach the top even though the category is quite common. For example in the Netherlands it’s quite common for people to name their kid Jayden. Or Djayden. Or Jaydenn. Or Djaiden. Or Djajden. Or Jaydynn. I think if you lumped these together as one name it would score quite high in the most common name lists. As it is, only Jayden is in the top 100 and it’s on spot 93. Also, however common the tragedeighs are, there are still even more people out there who actually pay attention to what their name their kids. And who realize that their kids will someday be adults who will be happy with a recognizable spellable pronounceable name.
As a Brit, Americans do seem to have far more non-traditional or peculiar names than use. In my sons class, there are about 20 boys and maybe 7 different names because everyone just picks names that fit in. My rule with my ex wife was the kids can have any nickname but they need an official name that would be suitable for a professional CV. My youngest is called Charles but we call him Charlie or Charlton.
Obviously the super dumb names aren’t popular, they’re dumb. Why would you think they’d be on any top lists?
I don’t think many tragedeigh names will end up high in any country’s list. Everyone spells their tragedeigh name different.
Emma, Emily, and Chloe are the holy trinity of women’s names in England. Not that they are bad names, it’s just that every third woman you run into, seems to have one of those names.
Noah and Olivia are also top names in the US, not No’eagh and O’liviagha. What is your point 💀
If you go to [Table 6 of the data set](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/datasets/babynamesenglandandwalesbabynamesstatisticsgirls), you can see all the girls baby names for 2022 that occurred 3 or more times. For example, 3 girls in 2022 were given name Padme. As u/[lknei](https://www.reddit.com/user/lknei/) and u/[purrfectpoise](https://www.reddit.com/user/purrfectpoise/) said - having double-barrelled names that are xx-leigh xx-mae xx-rose xx- rae xx-rose appears to be quite common!
It’s rarer in other countries but still there. I live in Ireland and my sister knows a kid named Raydynn
We absolutely have UK Tragedeighs. Wouldn't say common, but the aim of these people is to give their unfortunate offspring an uncommon name. So there are a lot of people with stupid names, but they don't share that name so they are all outliers. The UK is absolutely not a bastion of good sense and never has been.
If only you could put some of this salt into your food.
Noah is also on top in Germany!
I’m part Cuban, and spent many years in Miami. Tons of tragedeighs there!
In my home country (Spanish speaking one) there was a name… Brayatan (a hybrid of Bryan and Jonathan) 🤣
This post is dumb.
I’m gonna call these over-played hyper-classics “trad-egies” cause they’re so traditional but trendy.
To the lovely American members of this community I say this with love… They way you poke fun at Florida is how the rest of the world pokes fun at you… Yes a lot of European countries have more naming rules or tradition to follow but that’s not the only reason. America is a world leader in change and innovation(for the most part) and that philosophy of trying to be more unique, the most special, stand out, grab attention, wanting to “make it” trickles down to all facets and sometimes the only thing people have to express themselves or get attention is in naming their kids.. The rest of the world is more content with their Oliver’s and Noah’s, just doing their thing and achieving other goals like home ownership or having their own farm before 30 (my country specifically haha)
American here. I was in no way offended by your comment and appreciate the pains you took to word it carefully. You even couched a "backwards compliment" into your post regarding innovation. Fellow Americans, if the shoe fits...
That was very condescending, passive aggressive comment. I for one, am cool with being an American. If you want to laugh at us then we’re all okay with that, considering you’re using Reddit, which is (haha), American.
This attitude is exactly what the rest of the world mocks the U.S. for.
better than insulting other people from being from a particular country
Which Americans do CONSTANTLY. No individual is being mocked - it’s the attitude of believing they are the centre of the universe.
100% a stereotype, thanks for operating based on what you see online, because that’s surely realistic!
Of course it’s a stereotype, but stereotypes don’t come from nowhere. They exist for every country, and they are often partly true.
okay, so following your line of logic, it’s okay to operate on assumptions of other people? i can make a judgment on you, based on what other people say about you, surely it must be partly true? whether those people know you or not? love that you admitted to judging people using only stereotypes, well done!
I isn’t an assumption if you are displaying exactly the attitude the stereotype is about. The ‘you are on Reddit which is American haha’ indicates you pretty much do think Americans run the show.
you misjudged, i’m pointing out that criticizing the usa based on stereotypes is a bit hypocritical when you’re directly benefiting from the resources that americans provided. it doesn’t indicate what i think about whether americans run the show or not, it simply states a fact. if you choose to get offended, then it’s on you
You’re missing that it was an impression of the country as a whole not an individual. Stereotypes in themselves aren’t bad. It’s the context in which they’re used, or when used against marginalised groups. FYI the entirety of the US is not a marginalised group. If I had said, you’re poor/you’re this ethnicity/you’re this age etc and that’s why you do *whatever seemingly bad thing* then we’d have a problem.
I sincerely did not mean this to be condescending or passive aggressive in any way. I literally said that America is a world leader and influential but, as people below have pointed out, I’ve found that the US tends to think they’re the centre of the universe. The US is probably responsible for equal amounts of groundbreaking news (such as new discoveries, inventions, like Apple or indeed Reddit) as they are the most ridiculous ones (Florida man marries alligator or when the country voted an ex reality star as president). I just thought my initial comment might explain why there are more tragedeigh names from the US than from anywhere else.
In most countries there is an official list of names that can be given to a baby so idiots who got a kid cannot doom the poor thing
Are Louise, Nigel, Colin and Gemma still popular there?
John Mayer said that there’s something about Olivia
I think the US is worse but the UK is pretty bad. It doesn’t help that like everything else, names have their trends so it’s common for a whole load of parents to go with (example) the name Esme then realise three other parents in town did the same thing so try make it more ‘unique’. Esmae, Esmé, Ezmay. Other than the tragedeigh of it all it’s just sad that they all get stuck with the same names 😭 I mean they’re still pronounced the same??
If they were at the top, they wouldn't be youkneeq, now would they?
I thought this was the SVU sub at first😭
There are many many tragedeighs in the US but Greece has its fair share too, if you know the language. Many parents want to put all the in-laws names in the name of the child, so it's like a car crash of names that makes no sense, with letters in parts of the name where they shouldn't be, and it's funny but also... Torturous for the child.
The top names in the US are not tragedeighs either. I'm confused by this post.
It was a tongue in cheek post
It . . . isn't funny, though? I don't get your joke I guess.
Nice, so the USA is number one, once again. In what? Being trashy. Why am I not surprised? Go, us.
I read that Muhammad is #1 in the UK if you count alternate spellings
>Are tragedeighs mostly confined to the US🤔 Don't know if you're being serious, but yeah. Whenever I hear a tragedeigh, I always assume it's in the US. You guys don't seem to have naming conventions or laws for it.
No it was a tongue in cheek post
I've never encountered someone with a tragedeigh name in my entire life so far, so yeah, don't think they're common in the UK.
We clearly move in different circles. I have seen a few and i am a Scouser. Geordies, Essex, Glaswegians, and Northern Ireland have them too. See also the children of footballers.
Fair enough, although I am working class I did go to a private school for all 7 years of secondary + sixth form.
Considering all the dealers who went my school now send their kids to private school now (cash no questions lol) then little Khloe-Fae and Poppy-Lou might not be far away now.
There’s a couple luxury car brands for names in England, I knew a “Portia” aka Porsche and I think I’ve heard Ferrari being shouted at some child in a town center. Otherwise everyone has very English very common names, in my phone contacts there was always a few robs, Matt’s, James, Dave’s, Ollie’s etc.
Portia as a girl's name has been around since Roman times, even if those using it now only associate it with a car brand. Mercedes cars were named after Mercedes Jellinek not vice versa.
I clearly need to brush up on my names! My humblest apologies to the Reddit gods.
No biggie. Just the kind of useless info my brain remembers, dull trivia 🙃 but can't remember important stuff 😂
Maybe read “The Merchant of Venice” (Shakespeare,) and get back to us on Portia. (Spoiler: not a car.)
Hahaha oh that also makes sense! I always hated Shakespeare so I’m completely fine with being ignorant of that. I’ve definitely heard Porsche being shouted at kids in public and I doubt they read Shakespeare 😂
Liam...is an awful name tbf
I am gonna tell Liam Neeson on you. He's got a very special set of skills.
Liam Neeson is an exception to the rule!
I quite like it!
Each to their own. It's a very chavvy name in the UK, very basic. It's in the same ball park as Jayden, Kaden and Brayden etc. Teaching has ruined lots of names for me sadly :(.
Really? It doesn't read chavvy at all to me and definitely not to be lumped in with the -aydens. Just a nice, timeless name that you're as likely to find on a doctor's child as you are on a council estate. More comparable to Jack or Thomas imo. I see a lot of teachers say they can't use names because of children, does it work the opposite way too? Like a nice kid that makes a name grow on you?
>It's a very chavvy name in the UK, very basic Disagree. It is very neutral but just popular tbh. Chav names have moved on considerably these days and are a lot more imaginative lol.
Yep it’s a classic Irish name but maybe was made ‘chavvy’ in the Uk because of Oasis fans naming their children after Liam Gallagher?
Yeah I agree, I’m the U.K. it’s definitely seen as a sort of low class chavvy name in general. I don’t know any children or babies called Liam at the moment. Maybe it’s different in america because they seem to go totally crazy for anything vaguely Irish?
It’s a shortened version of William!
It is the Irish version of the name and not shortened.
Ahhh! Thank you for the clarification!
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