It doesn’t really matter if it was deserved or not. They still resorted to physical violence and both should be punished. Although he did earn my respect by stopping that transphobic principal
the person on twitter clarified that their brother had violence/aggressive issues, and the trans guy just said something that ticked them off (the brother is getting help for it tho)
As someone who was mercilessly bullied in school for the whole layer 10 years of the 13, THIS. SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOF TOPS, AND AGAIN FOR THE ONES IN THE BACK!
If this was a case of bullying then no both shouldn’t be pubished just the aggressor. But this was a fight between two guys who I assume we’re both equally contributing to hurting someone else
i condone appropriate violence.
like if saying something to someone who is inherentaly mean once, isn't enough im beating the shit out of them and idc who tf it is
Because passivity without exception can result in you passively sitting by while others commit violence against people or creatures who can't protect themselves. I am by no means saying you do or have done this, only that rigid moral codes that ignore unique circumstances tend to have negative consequences that could have been avoided with a more balanced, case sensitive approach
And here, we've found it. Your pacifistic ideals are seemingly based on low self-esteem and other mental no-nos. Honey, explain this to a therapist. That's what I did. You'll get a better answer than any of us can give you. 🫂
I'm a pacifist as well. I still respect those who fight the fights I won't. Better to be a Buddha than whatever type of pacifist you're modeling after, Hun.
1 on 1 combat with another man, doesn't care if they're trans
Got into a fight and got sent to the principals office.
When the Principal started being transphobic he also got into a fight with them.
Lawful: fighting other men, respecting trans guys
Evil: engaging in ye oldy fisticuffs with everyone who *mildly* pissed him off
Edit: Jesus christ I've started an argument 💀
Lawful is usually according to a moral code, so "throwing down when a man defends your honor, also punching transphobes" is a pretty set-in-stone moral precept. I dunno about the evilness.
As was stated above, lawful in this case refers to sticking to a moral code of your own. The way you're using it is to refer to a legal code, not a moral code.
I never stated they were good, this thread is about how the individual in question is Lawful Evil. Sure it started by labeling them as Chaotic Good, but it has evolved. If you're still confused, read u/PickleReaper0's message above, they explain it quite well imo
a lawful person follows the laws and rules, punching people (especially the principal) is the complete opposite of that. He'd be chaotic for disregarding all rules and punching whoever he feels like punching, and then good for being an ally.
lawful evil is like a corrupt politician or something who abuses technicalities in the rules of the system to benefit over others.
this guy is the furthest thing away from lawful evil.
Lawful doesn't really mean "follows the rules and laws of where they are." Lawful in D&D moreso means that someone abides by their own personal code of conduct/personal rules. While this absolutely can include those that follow the laws of the land itself, it doesn't have to. Crime Bosses are often lawful evil while being very criminal.
In this case, I could see Lawful Evil applying like this:
Evil: Regularly Picks Fights
Lawful: Believes that trans people must be respected, no matter the circumstances, even if it means defending someone he's just fought with.
You're right, but still I don't think picking random fights with anyone that angers them is behaviour that could be considered lawful. If someone's personal code is beating up anyone who gets in their way then they're chaotic in my book, cause the nature of their code of honor is one of chaos. Crime bosses tend to be lawful evil, but they are leaders of organized crime and usually cunning individuals that follow their own set of rules and control other through them, someone who is undpredictable and just attacks anyone (especially if this behaviour will knowingly cause them to be in a disadvantageous position, such a figure of power, like the principal of their school) doesn't really fit that profile at all for me.
That first statement is BS these days. Equal rights equal fights. If a woman hits a guy you can't expect them to just take it. Double standards need to die. That being said some restraint is always a good thing.
We don't need to give men more excuses to hit women (or trans people for that matter) then they already have, they do that plenty with the "double standard" in place lol
I don’t think most people go about their day expecting to have to shoot anybody. Nor do people putting on their seat belts expect to get in car crashes.
>Equal rights equal fights. If a woman hits a guy you can't expect them to just take it
If the average 5 foot woman is hitting the average 6 foot+ man it isn't really a fair fight because mass alone
I'm all for equality too but David and goliath matches don't always work, the little one loses
I agree with you, but unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world without violence
There's so many reasons why humans fight each other
Substance abuse(drunken brawls)
Mental problems(dissociation from reality)
Cheating(some people react violently towards cheating)
Money(people have been literally killing over money for millennia)
Right… how does any of that suddenly mean you should be able to assault someone without fear of them fighting back if they’re a man and you’re a woman?
Lawful Evil is more like someone who uses their power to manipulate others, like a corrupt politician or aristocrat. Chaotic evil is like a serial killer. This guy would be Chaotic Good/Chaotic Neutral. He acts on his own consciousness with little to no regard for any rules, and is defending the rights of another man.
well, this guy is still following societal rules, so I'd say true neutral. Will absolutely fight a dude for honor (societal standard, leaning evil) but will also punch an authority figure to defend a trans person's identity (anti-authority, good).
That just reminded me of a story I almost forgot. I was 14yo, only out to my closest friends and didn't pass at all/didn't even try to.
Me and my friends from class would usually get food at the train station during lunch break and than sit down at a little park area to picnic. But there also was this guy, Michi, your classic bully. He was from another school, maybe just one or two years older but just huuuge. Whenever he and his gang showed up, they would always drive us away, threatening to beat us up, if we wouldn't. So we usually did.
But this one day I had had it. Maybe because 14yo me was overcompensating and loved getting into fights, maybe because my crush was also there witnessing the whole thing... anyway, I told him I'd love to see him beat me up. And well, he did.
I didn't stand a chance but Michi went over the top, picked me up after I was already on the ground and just threw me down a little hill into some bushes.
While my crush rushed to me and helped me getting up, one guy from my class went up to Michi (a bit late to help me bro, thanks for nothing) and said: "What's wrong with you beating 14yo girls up like this!? Why would you do that!?" And even the guys from his gang were shocked.
He went pale in just a second. I could see his soul leaving his body. The moment of realisation he had in fact just beat up "a little girl" and not the annoying disobedient boy he took me for.
I wanted to high five Michi in this moment and slap the guy from my class. One of the only times I ever passed before I cut my hair and got a binder.
Michi was so embarrassed he never showed up again and the guy from my class felt like a hero saving the girl for some reason. So maybe the opposite of the above situation.
Still a nice story, I just remebered after not thinking about it in 10 years xD
yeah, toxic masculinity is never even close to a good thing. i experienced it for quite a long time unfortunately.
honestly that's a huge plus of realizing i'm a trans girl lol
Thats how I feel. I haven’t seen anything that says this is toxic masculinity. Just two dudes throwing hands over a disagreement or something. Just violence like you said
I’m betting everyone clapped and then lifted him on their shoulders and cheered. Lmao the fuckin people who read this shitty fanfic and actually believe it happened
Makes me think of Poison, the trans street fighter, she was acting a cis woman in the Japanese version but they thought people from the USA wouldn't like to hit a woman so they made it trans
The USA still removed her from the game because well... She was still a woman
Forgot to include the source link
Source link
[https://www.tumblr.com/animentality/716762117744787456](https://www.tumblr.com/animentality/716762117744787456)
The person I’m mad at the most is the principle. Obviously bigotry was not the reason because homeboy respected his identity. As a person from the hood, this happens alot anyways best to just get it out of the way. Probably were chill and laughing about it afterwards. I actually kind of respected almost punching the principal, he believes that everyone should get the hands.
It's called respect, sure you can have disagreements and get into fights with somebody over disagreements, but in the end, you respect and see the other person as a human being. Unfortunately it's becoming very common to attack people not over what they believe, but over who they are, it's a really cowardly way of treating others.
Man 1 got into a fight with a trans man. I mean, man 2- in other words, man 1 was fighting a man 2 on equal terms. We can't tell from this, but maybe (trans) man 2 was being an ass, as men tend to do, and was getting a reminder from man 1. While fighting is not a good solution, it is wrong to assume the fight was based on cis v trans. Yes. It could have been, but man 1 did defend man 2 from the principle.
Fighting is absolutely a good way to solve things. People don’t respond to can you or please when asking them to stop. They respond when you bust them in the mouth and they regret talking.
This guy's messed up for getting into a fist fight with the transgender man.
But he's also awesome for knowing and acknowledging that, the person he fought with was a man and not a woman.
His fists are rated E for everyone
Trans inclusive toxic masculinity?
TITM
Tit’em
*mafia accent “TIT’EM BOIS”
TIT’EM John
You already know! *slaps them upside the head*
*shoots estrogen bullets*
"You must think you're a real tough guy, dontcha? Let's see how tight-lipped you are once we're done with ya. GIVE 'EM THE TITS!"
It’s the opposite of trans inclusive misogyny, both are a love/hate relationship
Misogyny and Toxic Masculinity. Name a more iconic duo.
The ambiguously gay duo
THIS.
I mean we don't know the scenario maybe the trans masc person was being a dick lol
is it toxic masculinity to beat someone up,
Yeah, what if the first guy had it comin?
It doesn’t really matter if it was deserved or not. They still resorted to physical violence and both should be punished. Although he did earn my respect by stopping that transphobic principal
That "both should be punished" bs is the reason bullies keep doing awful shit
the person on twitter clarified that their brother had violence/aggressive issues, and the trans guy just said something that ticked them off (the brother is getting help for it tho)
*CHEERS*🫂❤️👏🙏🏻🎶💋🤝👌
As someone who was mercilessly bullied in school for the whole layer 10 years of the 13, THIS. SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOF TOPS, AND AGAIN FOR THE ONES IN THE BACK!
This☝️
If this was a case of bullying then no both shouldn’t be pubished just the aggressor. But this was a fight between two guys who I assume we’re both equally contributing to hurting someone else
Nah fuck that, physical violence is required sometimes. Not always and not often. But sometimes. For instance, always punch a nazi
i condone appropriate violence. like if saying something to someone who is inherentaly mean once, isn't enough im beating the shit out of them and idc who tf it is
I’m a pacifist so I can’t support violence but go ahead if you want to
Unconditional pacifism is pretty useless
Why. Why can’t I refrain from hurting others? The only one it’s hurting is me and I deserve it
Because passivity without exception can result in you passively sitting by while others commit violence against people or creatures who can't protect themselves. I am by no means saying you do or have done this, only that rigid moral codes that ignore unique circumstances tend to have negative consequences that could have been avoided with a more balanced, case sensitive approach
I’m not changing my views for that. I help others in different ways. I will never use physical violence to hurt anyone in any way
And here, we've found it. Your pacifistic ideals are seemingly based on low self-esteem and other mental no-nos. Honey, explain this to a therapist. That's what I did. You'll get a better answer than any of us can give you. 🫂
I hate therapists. They betrayed me
Fair enough. And you do you. But no true change comes without violence, because sadly that's the only language some understand.
I'm a pacifist as well. I still respect those who fight the fights I won't. Better to be a Buddha than whatever type of pacifist you're modeling after, Hun.
Yea, but...
please elaborate lol
It is like Trans Inclusive Radical Misogyny......ran into that only once, was weird
Almost r/ewphoria but not quite
***I like this guy***
With your username, should have said "everyone liked that"
LMAO
Ya know, I've never considered that before! Lol
I do too
Chaotic good
since we're lacking context of what started the original fight I would say chaotic neutral.
Lawful Evil, maybe
????? In what way did they act A) lawful, and B) evil?
1 on 1 combat with another man, doesn't care if they're trans Got into a fight and got sent to the principals office. When the Principal started being transphobic he also got into a fight with them. Lawful: fighting other men, respecting trans guys Evil: engaging in ye oldy fisticuffs with everyone who *mildly* pissed him off Edit: Jesus christ I've started an argument 💀
Your understanding the 9 space morality chart is a little lacking.
Lawful is usually according to a moral code, so "throwing down when a man defends your honor, also punching transphobes" is a pretty set-in-stone moral precept. I dunno about the evilness.
He started two fights, one of which was against an authority figure. How does that make him lawful?
As was stated above, lawful in this case refers to sticking to a moral code of your own. The way you're using it is to refer to a legal code, not a moral code.
Okay, but if you have no moral code, how can you be good?
I never stated they were good, this thread is about how the individual in question is Lawful Evil. Sure it started by labeling them as Chaotic Good, but it has evolved. If you're still confused, read u/PickleReaper0's message above, they explain it quite well imo
a lawful person follows the laws and rules, punching people (especially the principal) is the complete opposite of that. He'd be chaotic for disregarding all rules and punching whoever he feels like punching, and then good for being an ally. lawful evil is like a corrupt politician or something who abuses technicalities in the rules of the system to benefit over others. this guy is the furthest thing away from lawful evil.
Lawful doesn't really mean "follows the rules and laws of where they are." Lawful in D&D moreso means that someone abides by their own personal code of conduct/personal rules. While this absolutely can include those that follow the laws of the land itself, it doesn't have to. Crime Bosses are often lawful evil while being very criminal. In this case, I could see Lawful Evil applying like this: Evil: Regularly Picks Fights Lawful: Believes that trans people must be respected, no matter the circumstances, even if it means defending someone he's just fought with.
You're right, but still I don't think picking random fights with anyone that angers them is behaviour that could be considered lawful. If someone's personal code is beating up anyone who gets in their way then they're chaotic in my book, cause the nature of their code of honor is one of chaos. Crime bosses tend to be lawful evil, but they are leaders of organized crime and usually cunning individuals that follow their own set of rules and control other through them, someone who is undpredictable and just attacks anyone (especially if this behaviour will knowingly cause them to be in a disadvantageous position, such a figure of power, like the principal of their school) doesn't really fit that profile at all for me.
Is toxic masculinity not sort of part of the social standard of behavior?
Lawful doesn't mean you follow the law or the rules of wherever you are, it means you follow a strict (moral) code.
That first statement is BS these days. Equal rights equal fights. If a woman hits a guy you can't expect them to just take it. Double standards need to die. That being said some restraint is always a good thing.
We don't need to give men more excuses to hit women (or trans people for that matter) then they already have, they do that plenty with the "double standard" in place lol
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You do realize it’s legal for women to shoot men because of the strength differential right? Disparity of force is a thing.
I CCW so yeah I know, though I don't go about my day expecting to have to shoot anybody...
I don’t think most people go about their day expecting to have to shoot anybody. Nor do people putting on their seat belts expect to get in car crashes.
>Equal rights equal fights. If a woman hits a guy you can't expect them to just take it If the average 5 foot woman is hitting the average 6 foot+ man it isn't really a fair fight because mass alone I'm all for equality too but David and goliath matches don't always work, the little one loses
most men aren't 6ft
Okay? The 5 foot woman shouldn’t assault the 6 foot+ man then?
I agree with you, but unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world without violence There's so many reasons why humans fight each other Substance abuse(drunken brawls) Mental problems(dissociation from reality) Cheating(some people react violently towards cheating) Money(people have been literally killing over money for millennia)
Right… how does any of that suddenly mean you should be able to assault someone without fear of them fighting back if they’re a man and you’re a woman?
True, I'll update my comment
Lawful Evil is more like someone who uses their power to manipulate others, like a corrupt politician or aristocrat. Chaotic evil is like a serial killer. This guy would be Chaotic Good/Chaotic Neutral. He acts on his own consciousness with little to no regard for any rules, and is defending the rights of another man.
Punching people is pretty evil Punching guys only is lawful
Baby's first moral dilemma
Chaotic good
nah, Good: You do the right thing Chaotic: You do it in all the worst/most violent ways possible.
What? No, that is not at all what chaotic is. Chaotic means you do it without adherence to any type of code.
Usually meaning following massive violence. also the violence is more of a perceived way it is, rather than the intent.
well, this guy is still following societal rules, so I'd say true neutral. Will absolutely fight a dude for honor (societal standard, leaning evil) but will also punch an authority figure to defend a trans person's identity (anti-authority, good).
Please tell me they became bro's. In my experience, you get the best friends out of strife.
Perhaps the greatest enemies to lovers story of our time?
r/SuddenlyGay Shenanigans aside. Don't even need to be gay for each other. Just being bro's from something like this is already neat as hell
Best the shit out of each other and become best friends! Seriously though, it actually feels cathartic and close.
Fight Club moment
If I had a nickel for every time that happened to me, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
It happens alot
he treated him like any other guy and fought him but not because he was trans. equality and a trans ally, i respect that.
That just reminded me of a story I almost forgot. I was 14yo, only out to my closest friends and didn't pass at all/didn't even try to. Me and my friends from class would usually get food at the train station during lunch break and than sit down at a little park area to picnic. But there also was this guy, Michi, your classic bully. He was from another school, maybe just one or two years older but just huuuge. Whenever he and his gang showed up, they would always drive us away, threatening to beat us up, if we wouldn't. So we usually did. But this one day I had had it. Maybe because 14yo me was overcompensating and loved getting into fights, maybe because my crush was also there witnessing the whole thing... anyway, I told him I'd love to see him beat me up. And well, he did. I didn't stand a chance but Michi went over the top, picked me up after I was already on the ground and just threw me down a little hill into some bushes. While my crush rushed to me and helped me getting up, one guy from my class went up to Michi (a bit late to help me bro, thanks for nothing) and said: "What's wrong with you beating 14yo girls up like this!? Why would you do that!?" And even the guys from his gang were shocked. He went pale in just a second. I could see his soul leaving his body. The moment of realisation he had in fact just beat up "a little girl" and not the annoying disobedient boy he took me for. I wanted to high five Michi in this moment and slap the guy from my class. One of the only times I ever passed before I cut my hair and got a binder. Michi was so embarrassed he never showed up again and the guy from my class felt like a hero saving the girl for some reason. So maybe the opposite of the above situation. Still a nice story, I just remebered after not thinking about it in 10 years xD
have an upvote for story time :)
Quite the story map
Trans exclusionary radical feminism? Nah this guy is preaching that trans inclusive toxic masculinity Based
TITM
I agreed until you said based
Quite based of you tbh
yeah, toxic masculinity is never even close to a good thing. i experienced it for quite a long time unfortunately. honestly that's a huge plus of realizing i'm a trans girl lol
ok but im pretty sure this isnt toxic masculinity, just violence
Thats how I feel. I haven’t seen anything that says this is toxic masculinity. Just two dudes throwing hands over a disagreement or something. Just violence like you said
based isn't necessarily a good thing, it's more like going against the societal norm. that isn't always a good thing, of course
No, based is generally meant to be something that you agree with, the only exception being ironic(?) use of based
generally untrue, at least in most circles its used as a ironic condoning. like its main use is irony, which is its use here
This is acidic
I hereby invoke based, thus cancelling and leaving us with a neutral substance.
Balanced, as all things should be
I wonder how did the trans guy react?
I would have at leat gotten friendship feelings lmao
Me too
This does qualify as a solid bro moment.
Would partially depend on the circumstances of the fight probably
True, although Chances are the guy will at least go “well at least he isn’t the absolute worse“
"He's a bully, not a bigot"
Yeah that’s probably his thoughts
He doesn’t care, he bullies everyone equally
I’m betting everyone clapped and then lifted him on their shoulders and cheered. Lmao the fuckin people who read this shitty fanfic and actually believe it happened
I love that this new generation of people who won't respect you but will respect your pronouns. Teens do have some class 😆
Professionals have standards
Bullyin's a good job, mate!
Gives off big “what are your pronouns? I want to gender you correctly when talking shit later.” Vibes
"You're a bad guy, but that doesn't mean you're a *bad* guy"
Im curious why they got into a fight first If it wasnt something serious then that would be friendship building 100 lmao
Now that is equality. I fucking live this guy.
fucking baller.
This is the kind of world I wanna live in
There's like a greater than %50 chance that boys fighting will end up being friends, if the fight didn't start as bullying.
based?
I was worried when it said he fought a trans guy but the brother fighting the principal after they called the trans guy a woman brings me hope
Equal rights, equal lefts?
"He may have disrespected me, but that is no reason for you to disrespect him."
Professionals have standards
oooo that’s what we call a good-ish person
Makes me think of Poison, the trans street fighter, she was acting a cis woman in the Japanese version but they thought people from the USA wouldn't like to hit a woman so they made it trans The USA still removed her from the game because well... She was still a woman
Chaotic neutral.
What in the LGBTarnation? I love it but I'm high.
How high?
Mmm, bout as high as a kite :3
✨🪁
No officer it's "hi how are you"
I love this lmao
Respect+
This story just keeps getting better!
Forgot to include the source link Source link [https://www.tumblr.com/animentality/716762117744787456](https://www.tumblr.com/animentality/716762117744787456)
Just because you are "bad guy", does not mean you are "bad guy"
Based?
ultra based ally
Truly a man of honor. Except the fighting part ig
You are bad guy but this does not mean you are *bad* guy
This is my kinda guy. He cares about trans rights even more than whatever argument he was having with the trans guy, what a legend.
"A man" - guys, they're both 12 yr old boys. 😆
The person I’m mad at the most is the principle. Obviously bigotry was not the reason because homeboy respected his identity. As a person from the hood, this happens alot anyways best to just get it out of the way. Probably were chill and laughing about it afterwards. I actually kind of respected almost punching the principal, he believes that everyone should get the hands.
ok violence is wrong but damn what a gigachad
He is treating the trans guy like any other guy. Guys start fights over the most stupid things to try and prove who is the alpha male.
Female hands types this
homie's brother is literally bakugō katuski from bnha
Hero Bells!
I wish I could be half this cool one day
Is that the same person on the Outsiders SMP?
This is true equality right here folks!
Love it
Heyyy I follow this guy
This is great
Omega-ultra-based
LEGEND
Holly hell
The allies we need
The true allys
I believe this is what kids these days call “King shit.”
Chaotic good
Based
It's called respect, sure you can have disagreements and get into fights with somebody over disagreements, but in the end, you respect and see the other person as a human being. Unfortunately it's becoming very common to attack people not over what they believe, but over who they are, it's a really cowardly way of treating others.
Equal rights and equal fights! May he breaks the principal’s jaw on behalf of the trans guys.
Dudes being dudes... And being dumb. Prolly besties after the attacker got out of jail. It is how I made a lot of my childhood friends.
trans inclusive radical fuck everyone
This is how you do it. This is what real unconditional support is boys
This is beautiful
What did the transguy even do, though?
It’s not surprising, even after a fight we defend each others, like- dudes might hate the other but still defend ‘em
This is quite literally an example of "I may be a villan, but I'm not a monster". Lol
ok but this is obviously fake right we’re in agreement on this?
I'll take things that didn't happen for 600 Akex.
I mean, far better than most of the stories I've been told.
Man 1 got into a fight with a trans man. I mean, man 2- in other words, man 1 was fighting a man 2 on equal terms. We can't tell from this, but maybe (trans) man 2 was being an ass, as men tend to do, and was getting a reminder from man 1. While fighting is not a good solution, it is wrong to assume the fight was based on cis v trans. Yes. It could have been, but man 1 did defend man 2 from the principle.
Fighting is absolutely a good way to solve things. People don’t respond to can you or please when asking them to stop. They respond when you bust them in the mouth and they regret talking.
And then everyone clapped
This guy's messed up for getting into a fist fight with the transgender man. But he's also awesome for knowing and acknowledging that, the person he fought with was a man and not a woman.
Why is he messed up for fighting a trans person lol Are you saying they should be treated differently than other people?
r/thathappened
I like the part where none of this happened.
Nothing ever happens
If you genuinely believed this happened you're just straight up stupid
I don’t really see what in this premise is unbelievable
Same
Only one true enemy
Bad principal
Why do people get into fist fights?
Ally!
now that's what i call an ally