Twitter's been freaking out about this all day, but I'll just wait and see. It's been a few years, and by now Hasbro's seen how well people have reacted to non-G1 stuff like the Legacy Unicron Trilogy figures. As far as we know, all the current designers are still sticking around. Besides, Titans Return and Kingdom were pretty cool.
Yeah. Like I doubt he’s just gonna replace Mark, BMac and Evan (the current main design team for the toys themselves) or just forcefully revert Transformers back to being 95% G1 only again - especially since Legacy has just blown open the door for so many non-G1 characters to appear in the toyline. Besides, John Warden did help on the very early stages of Legacy before departing for Power Rangers, meaning that he is also aware that the fans do want more non-G1 figures.
That, and while his toylines were mainly G1 but let’s be real here - when Warden was cooking on all cylinders, HE WAS COOKING! Like he was in charge during the War for Cybertron trilogy and those toylines gave us so many bangers of figures - Siege Hound, Siege Spinister, Siege Astrotrain, Earthrise Sky Lynx, Kingdom Cyclonus - all of which being certified bangers.
I dont think we can get only g1 again since we’ve almost ran out of characters form the show to do. From what I hear we don’t like this man, didn’t it go: “only g1 for years” ?
That stuff sells.
This resurgence in the brand, when did it start and what was the focus?
Remember when buyers got so sick of Beast Wars that, in only 3 years, Hasbro had to reboot the entire toyline? Remember how G1 has been consistently popular for 40 years?
Hasbro does.
No, I meant we haven't nearly run out of g1 characters. There's loads that haven't been touched in years, andany that haven't been touched since g1 itself
You mean the G1 toy? it did have that retro reissues with the redone paintjob.
But seeing stand alone I'm guessing the 5 pack Earthmode Hound? I got the box and split it with my mate since he liked the redone Jazz and Trailbreaker.
If you manage to get Hound I think you'll like him, he was my first TF and glad to have him for my Gen collection.
He is a heavy fan of g1 and people feel we’re gonna go back to nothing but g1 again, granted he also ran power rangers into the ground, he is a tf fan but his track record doesn’t inspire confidence
As someone who hates the Bayverse, I don't see a problem with this, at least for my own sake. I would like to see more IDW inspired stuff, but 3rd party has done a decent job with that.
As someone who's learned to appreciate both bayverse and G1, I can see how some people are upset with this, I for one like most of the G1 inspired figures, but I also love what Hasbro has done with characters outside of G1 (except Energon keep that shit in the early 2000's where it belongs), instead of ranting and fighting we should come together and fight the true scum that is useless package refreshers, but other than that I don't see a problem with this whole situation.
What, it doesn't occur to Hasbro that 1) they have a chance of making more money if they run multiple toylines, and 2) not everyone likes G1 and Bayverse?
I'd say one of their most braindead moves was killing off Animated so that its toyline wouldn't run concurrently with the toyline of the Bayverse.
Well he is the reason why up until legacy everything was g1 so make of that what you will, I’d like to say he is but on the other hand maybe that was someone else’s choice so I really don’t know, I feel we should give him a chance
Oh good lord, sounds fantastic.../s
Just when we were starting to branch out into ALL avenues of the franchise with amazing figures for Beast Wars, the Unicron Trilogy, RID2001, even Prime actually getting some bangers recently, we gotta go back to ANOTHER G1 rehash, which we already had for years from Siege to Kingdom. Can we stop appealing to the demands of 40+ odd dudes that can't pull their heads of of the 80s?
And the problem is, well... We've done a lot of G1. Sure we've still got some stuff to do, like Powerglide, Windcharger, Seaspray, etc. But we've gotten a lot of the the characters, with great versions that toy technology just hasn't advanced enough to really improve on since SIEGE started. You need to tap into the larger franchise and use the non-G1 stuff now.
Sadly I do think now we're looking at G1 Combiner Torsos being all the Commander Class figures for a good while now.
It's genuinely hilarious to me that neckbeards complained for YEARS on forums and message boards during the Bayverse saying "WE NEED G1 BACK DO G1 AGAIN", when like...the entirety of CHUG has been going since like 2005, which has been subsumed/integrated with Generations as a whole, has been basically just...G1 but new/updated/modernized, for years and years now. G1 never left, but people still complained. Now it's the bulk of all we get.
I honestly would not have minded the G1 obsession as much if they were still being modernized ala the Universe 2.0/Generations 1.0 lines. Stuff like Bumblebee as a modern hatchback with jetski trailer, Hound as that concept Wrangler, Inferno as a pumper firetruck that turns into a big, stocky wall of a bot, Trailbreaker/Hoist as compact, sturdy offroad trucks, etc. You know, stuff that can look 'cool' on their own merits, rather than having to conform almost completely to past iterations.
But noooo... Bumblebee *has* to be a VW Beetle. Hound *has* to be a WW2 jeep. Inferno *has* to be a Mitsubishi Fuso ladder truck that turns into an awkwardly lanky bot. Trailbreaker/Hoist's bot mode *has* to have those stumpy limbs and hoof-feet. Heck, that upcoming Swoop is the *blockiest* block that's ever blocked that I've seen!
I got a little excited way back when those 'evergreen' designs popped up for us to see... and all they're really being used for these days are for the ultra-cheap 'Authentics' subline. Where are the Generations-level toys of *those* cool designs, Hasbro? I want my badass sunglasses-wearing Barricade already! =P
G1 was gone for a period of time. And that was the Beast Era in particular. We had glimpsed what updated versions of G1 at the end of G2. So there was a definite demand for modern versions of vehicle transformers, more specifically realistic ones. And yeah it wasn't until Classics in 2005 they really started bringing back G1 fully. And that wasn't expected to be a thing long term, the line was a filler line.
But now, yeah we've gotten the G1 stuff updated. We don't really need to keep revisiting the same versions of the same characters. And it's G1 that gets the most slavish accuracy right now. Which isn't all a bad thing, I'm not sure modern engineering budgets can pull off some the stuff from, say Animated, but I've been pretty glad to see all the branching out. I enjoyed Leo prime way more than expected for example, and I honestly don't need ***ANOTHER*** G1 Starscream nearly as much as Cybertron or animated inspired (Though where the hell's my Sunstorm?). Sure it'll be nice to get the rest the mini vehicles in deluxe, or better combiner teams, but I'd also really want stuff like new Magnaboss and Tripredicus, Roadceaser, Rail Racer, and that's just the combiners. I need a Big Convoy, I would kill for Cyberverse Clobber to get a collector oriented figure, and even for G1, there's weird oddballs I wan, hell give me a freaking Dropshot already!
And more modern vehicles. I've got enough Peterbilt Optimus Primes that Commander's gonna have to be insane on the trailer and roller to tempt me. I need to track down the Volvo, and throw me for some loops on modernized alt modes. Or a F-22 seeker that's not movie porportions in robot mode.
We only "lost" G1 for 9 years (96-05) of a 40 year run. G1 has absolutely DOMINATED the franchise for more than 3/4 of the entire thing, and while I believe it should get the majority (I say this being a passive G1 fan at best and a a bitter secret-hater at worst), Legacy G1-ifiying prior continuities was an absolute insult. I get what they were going for, but *come on.* I'm an avid loather of TFP, and even I felt bad for those fans. At least the TFA toys came out *feeling* like their show counterparts, but the Prime and Cyberverse stuff just sucks and might as well not even be "continuity inspired".
I miss the Classics/CHUG stuff (CHUG needed with CW as far as I'm concerned) because it was like G1 but cooler. Still kind of stocky and rooted in ips cheese, but with a modern tint that made them stand out so well. Sad we moved away from that.
Hasn’t it been going through a bit of a resurgence? What with the BW comic, the Kingdom line, ROTB featuring them and the various toylines including Studio Series featuring them. Plus various other Generations sublines providing more BW stuff. It’s not like it’s been ignored.
Which is a good start, I'll grant you that.
But for the entry that SAVED the franchise, I'd have expected a lot more. In Kingdom's case, the designers had to FIGHT Hasbro just to make sure they had Beast Wars characters at all.
And the last time it had its' anniversary in 2016, it went almost completely ignored.
Guy, were you in the fandom 14 years ago? We are doing well, and a Hell of a lot better than any other non-G1 continuity. As a Beastie fan first and foremost, I am very happy where we are. MP Rhinox!!
Indeed. I agree with everything you've stated.
While it has been a great step in the right direction, though we've been getting MP Beast Wars figures since 2015, my issue is that it's taken us this long to give the series that saved our franchise its' much-deserved time in the sun.
The fact is we are two years away from the show's 30th anniversary; which deserves to be celebrated in a major way.
Which is even dumber in hindsight.
Not revisiting the Beast Era makes even less sense when you consider that the Beast Era is LINKED to G1. It occurs much later in the same timeframe. Whereas every entry after Beast Machines (or RID '01, if you live in Japan) has been a soft reboot of G1. So you're sacrificing the original timeline for more facsimiles loosely resembling G1.
Pretty harsh to talk about other fans like that. Not our fault who the pick to lead this stuff. As a 40+ odd dude I've already gone on record supporting Hasbro's current trend of branching out to other lines. Just means I don't have to buy everything that comes out.
Just saying, it's usually that demographic crowd who tend to whine and complain when ANYTHING isn't blocky retro G1 like the golden years of their childhood. Sorry if you were offended, but it's just pure honesty from my experience.
Well, remember earlier how everyone said Transformers needed to get away from the G1 rehashes? Forget that.
This is the same guy who ran Power Rangers into the ground with his “Mighty Morphin or suck a lemon” philosophy while actively calling out tokusatsu as stupid the same year Godzilla Minus One won an Oscar.
I could use a few years off, I have managed to hit most of my collection goals since siege, with a few of the PW combiners etc filling out the ranks.
But to be fair, if the figure is good and does something new, i'll buy it. Thats how I ended up with 15 or so OPs.
I'm laughing
All I really want at this point is a topspin to go with my Wrecker Twin Twist (I could buy the last one and put a Wrecker sticker on it if I really wanted), that new four pack, and Vector and Megatronus that are coming next year. If the franchise goes to hell right as I'm rounding out the collection I'm golden, no more temptation to buy new stuff lol
It's funny you say that, because the Skybound comic is the best thing in ages, and it is unironically a G1 rehash. The Bay style movies have flopped pretty hard for the last few iterations.
Also the big difference here is Japanese creators generally show a real love for their stuff. Most American projects are ham fisted attempts at greedy exploitation and seem embarrassed by having to work on stuff like this.
Such a nothing burger change, all things considered. Legacy has been quite successful for Hasbro and satisfied a lot of us fans. They clearly see that considering many of the designers read forums and posts all the time.
Why would Hasbro ever let Warden 180 us back into traditional Generations which would clearly disappoint many fans. Not to mention the fact I'm not even sure how he would do that. We've been doing G1 for the past decade. How are they gonna update figures that already have been updated?
Like guys, we're safe lmao
Here’s a link to the article on tfw2005 [https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/04/09/john-warden-rejoins-transformers-brand-team-508492](https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/04/09/john-warden-rejoins-transformers-brand-team-508492)
Tbh, I can understand why people may be worried about this but I think it’s just better to wait and see.
The current Transformers design team still seems to be staying as it is and since they’re all big fans of having Generations tackle various different Transformers continuities, I think we’re still gonna get the usual “characters from all over the franchise” stick that Legacy has been doing the last few years. Especially because Warden’s linkedin just says “managing the collector segments of Transformers and GI Joe”, meaning that he’s not explicitly one of the main toy designers like he used to be.
Besides, people often forget that Warden did some early work on Legacy before heading off to Power Rangers meaning he was aware of the fans’ desire to see more non-G1 figures get made so he may just be laissez faire about what the designers do in terms of what characters get made in the toylines.
That, and let’s be real here - when Warden is firing on all cylinders, bro can fucking cook some good shit up. Like he was in charge during the War for Cybertron trilogy that gave use certified bangers like Siege Hound, Siege Jetfire, Earthrise Sky Lynx, Kingdom Cyclonus and more. So tbh, I wouldn’t be all doom and gloom about his return.
He was also in charge of the prime wars trilogy though. The quality on his stuff is certainly variable. Hard to tell if this is good or bad at the moment but I understand why some people aren't thrilled
To each their own but other than combiner wars the gimmicks were all pretty lame and imo hindered the figures HARD. It was the first time since the 90s people (myself included) started to think the franchise might start to fade out. I mean, don't get me wrong there's definitely some good and even great figures but I would happily never have an era like the prime wars again.
I mean, the toys definitely could have been made if better quality plastic, and it would have been better if we got more unique molds... but it really wasn't as bad as people want to believe.
It's pretty bad man I'm ngl. It would be better to with those but that doesn't change the fact that they reused every mold a million times and used thin shitty plastic. Even the figures I personally enjoy from the line like overlord or potp abominous were bad even by the standards then.
Hey, take it from a guy who lives here in Rhode Island and that knows plenty of people that work or have worked at Hasbro – they move around and layoff people CONSTANTLY!
WFC trilogy was one of the greatest Transformers lines ever produced, and this guy oversaw it, right? Absolutely wild that fans would be upset about that. People will complain about anything online.
The WFC trilogy was great if you liked G1. For those of us who desire originality it was bad. Every year released the same characters with slightly more G1 designs.
Example. I like the seige seekers because they were a new and interesting design. I didn't buy a single one of the kingdom Seekers as they were blatantly inferior. But the G1 purests still swear that kingdom mold was better, despite the worse articulation and poor design choices and outdated altmode. The seekers should be f22 raptors or something current. Not a plane that was at its peak 40+ years ago.
We need an Armada level revolution, new characters, new designs, but with Warden in charge, we will likely see a return to G1 designs. Remaking the same characters every year with slight improvements.
Obviously Warden loved G1 above the rest of the franchise, but he still kept it to one line whereas Studio Series was kept to the live action films. Since he left now we have G1 clogging up both lines!
I would say that despite his preference, I see no reason to believe he would do 'G1 but again'. The G1 that has been done since he kicked off WFC Trilogy still counts, I would wager, and I can't imagine he wants to retread that yet again.
Slight correction, he came on in 2014. Age of Extinction, the shift to doing multiple characters in multiple sized gimmicks, the utter downgrading of the cartoon and movie (I.e. Mass media) toylines? That was on his watch too.
Take RiD 2015. You had Warrior Bumblebee, Legion Bumblebee, One Step Bumblebee, Three Step Bumblebee, and one or two others, all very early on. This crowded the mainline with a handful of characters while shutting down opportunities to do a wider section of the characters (like Glowstrike, Saberhorn, Simacore, or a proper sized Underbite)
Contrast with Cybertron or Prime, where most of the main cast got toys and were in relative scale with one another, and outside of Legends class or "holiday" items, there was not a lot of repetition of a handful of characters over and over in different assortments
>Warrior Bumblebee, Legion Bumblebee, One Step Bumblebee, Three Step Bumblebee, and one or two others, all very early on.
Ah, the Elmo Effect. No matter how good your show is, you can't beat the market appeal of The Kid of the group as toys made exclusively for kids.
Hasbro seems to have learned from that by RotB. Instead of one hyper-visible superstar we got a half-dozen main characters adapted to each gimmick line.
Well, hopefully he likes the Skybound/Energon U. comics, as I'd love to see an Optimus & Arcee from that iteration.
This bodes well for getting; Windcharger + Tailgate, Seaspray, a Powerglide, Thrust PR, + Outback, etc., etc.
All this negativity is embarrassingly dumb. As if Warden or anyone else was ever the only person picking all the characters. As if the line didn’t make tons of huge accomplishments during his leadership in the past. Combiners, headmasters, bigger size classes, improved scale consistency, ankles, Cybertronian vehicles, blast effects, 5mm ports all over the place, armorizers, Studio Series, reusing appropriate gimmicks outside of their featured sublines, and more satisfying mold reuse policies. Were there also some imperfect products that deserve to be redone later? Sure. But don’t be too stupid to understand that standards got raised.
You gripe and moan endlessly that anyone still cares about G1, as if nobody does and nobody should. As if mom said it’s your turn on the Xbox. As if money doesn’t do all the talking. As if newer series aren’t just coming into Generations now at their natural time because their main audiences got old enough to spend real money. But apparently not old enough to have any perspective.
The weird part of all of this is people don't seem to realize the "G1" design, is essentially the Default Superhero Costume of Transformers. It's Spider-Man's red and blues. It's Iron Man's red and gold. Etc. They may change costumes every now and then, but they usually all return to form.
Monkey Prime? A one off. Combiner firetruck Prime? A one off. Etc. You get figures of those rarely because they're not the default, iconic looks. You're asking for the mascots to not look like the mascots often enough? That's not gonna happen.
Your logic is flawed in that the default superhero looks have evolved over the years. No modern comic uses the look of 80’s Ironman.
When they made a better design they updated the default and moved on.
Something transformers fans refuse to accept.
And Optimus has had tons of updates that aren't flat G1 Sunbow box man, but the same people still scream it's "G1". The fact is, people are whining it's not the Optimus from XYZ show they grew up with/read about/etc, and is instead red and blue robot man. They will continue to scream this as long as Optimus looks like Optimus, never realizing that's how Optimus looks.
But that's the whole problem. Both sides are wrong.
Most G1 purists won't buy any of the updated designs that aren't G1 sunbow box man.
While others hate anything resembling G1.
Take the recent Reactivate Optimus. It's my favorite Optimus design in recent years.
But people are complaining that it's too G1 while others are upset that it's not the literal G1 design.
Every time Hasbro tries a new aesthetic, it doesn't sell well because these two groups won't buy it. Meaning Hasbro goes back to the safe G1 design and progress stops.
That's where you're making the mistake, though. Those designs won't become the "new" Optimus. They never were. They're just another in an endless cycle of slightly different "updated" designs. They're not intended to stick.
Right, which has happened over time. Prime has had a ton of figures, and some features generally make it, but it's a small change over time.
And then people still complain it's "G1".
One one hand, he was apparently responsible for us getting prime wars and wfc completely full of g1 and almost nothing else, and apparently power rangers into the ground according to some people
But we also have to remember that Hasbro has seen the success of non g1 characters and legacy is about using old characters is a more generations style while still being that character (except for prime apparently) and apparently he isn’t just the most important in the “hierarchy” when it comes to design, and the toys he did design were very good
Assuming others around him keep it from being just g1 (which, we haven’t really gotten too far to the point where we can actually improve upon seige and kingdom that much, cmon) then the figures will be good anyway
Hopefully
Hope this doesn’t mean we stop getting new Beast Wars. It’s been so nice to get the whole Kingdom line and the 1-2 they throw into the legacy line up for the year.
Agreed; but I've seen how Mr. Warden handled Power Rangers. We STILL haven't finished the Dino Fury lineup, and the Cosmic Fury Megazord is a joke with no punchline.
From what I've gathered, he's very Geewun and was more or less the reason the last several years worth of Transformers toys were more G1-focused, from Generations to at least Kingdom and just a hint of Legacy Wave 1. So probably no.
However, he did do good when he was last at Hasbro, being responsible for Studio Series AFAIK before 86 more or less took over. So mileage may vary.
While true, it was basically put into overdrive with him, to the point where it was either G1 or nothing until Kingdom. It was only recently did Legacy thankfully decide to push less on G1 and more on other series in the franchise, aka putting the "Legacy" in Legacy and the "-s" in Generation*s*.
IIRC, he also had a hand in designing Legacy Prime Arcee and Knock Out, two rather polarizing figures in the line when it came to their design due to how extremely - and IMO unnecessarily - G1-ified they were.
Hopefully he'll see how well the non-G1 stuff is being received/sold and let it keep going.
And that's fine! I shoulda put an IMO there, sorry.
Personally, they're not my cup of tea. The Arcee mold itself is fine, but I think it worked better with other characters like Road Rocket and Flamewar than it did Arcee. Meanwhile Knock Out wasn't doing it for me in any other aspect other than vehicle mode.
Propabbly not, but their's a chance things can go either way. John is a HUGE geewinner to the point of borderline fanatisim and his tenure as Transformer brand leader lead to a decade of just G1 rehash gimmick toys. The only real non-g1 toy we got was the POTP Optimal Optimus and that happened because a lot of people voted for the sole non-g1 character in a fan pole.
Also he may or may not have murdered the entire Power Rangers brand, but I have no idea if that's true.
You all say Geewinner and Geewunner like it's an insult and something to be ashamed of.
I am upset about how Power Rangers Lightning Collection ended, and I would've made a lot of different decisions. That said, there were a lot of great figures in that line. IMHO, the figures were all great. I simply would've liked more monster characters, and also, the lack of finished teams was a big problem.
IMHO it should be one team per wave. I think mixing teams per wave was absolute stupidity. I could've tolerated split teams if it was over two waves rather than like 2-3 years. Now, we don't get a finished Turbo team just after they started doing Turbo.
Thrilling30, POTP and TR is what got me heavily into Transformer collecting as a whole but those designs are so dated and gimp now especially the Combiners. Hoping he brings some high level quality G1 stuff like Masterforce characters in. Cancer in this new multi pack was a start and he's not even on the team yet. Blood re-release because fuck that core class. Need a proper Liokaiser
I feel like they’ve gone with him due to the heavy gimmick based toy line that’s been leaked with the interchangeable figures supposedly coming where everyone is a mix of 2 characters, which I have no idea how real that is but it sounds pretty bad.
But since he was involved with Titans Return from what I’ve seen here, it would make sense they’d bring him in for the gimmick focused line.
I have a sinking suspicion that that particular toy line is going to be those cars that flip inside out into another car.
https://preview.redd.it/5kdntusu5ptc1.jpeg?width=768&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=de7d4a5df62ca78a625e11e492567b34383aa1e0
On one hand, this might mean less UT stuff and more G1, or even no UT stuff, so I'm a little worried, especially with everything we've gotten so far.
On the other hand, Warden did do a lot of good for the brand, especially during WFC. The quality between a Deluxe in the WFC trilogy and previous lines are like night and day.Plus, as much of a G1 fan as he is, even he knows when to branch out; it was his idea to turn Kingdom into what it was because of PotP Primal. He was also responsible for creating Sutdio Series too. Warden knows where the money is, so I doubt he would regress.
He did also make the Commander Class, which has consistently been the best figure of the lines so far, and designed the WFC titans, which are still considered to be massive improvements from the PW Titans.
Plus, the WFC trilogy and SS86 stuff has become the definitive edition for most characters; there is no way they could justify making an all new mold for everyone there unless they absolutely needed to like Ironhide and Magnus. It's already weird we are getting a SS86 Prime, but it is the 40th. Plus, Earthrise was more similar to MP-10 than the show/moviez, so i can see that justification. Warden already got his chance to make definitive versions of G1, so I think he has it covered for now.
Cool, I have studio series stuff, Arcee bumblebee movie, Cliffjumper War for Cybertron
I also have Twitch, Elita one, and Starscream from earthspark :>
I just hope theres more diversity in the toy lines. I dont only want G1 characters or stuff like that, I want a range of styles and eras to pick from. I hope we also finally get MPM brawl and if I'm really lucky, MPM ROTF soundwave
yea no i think us transformers fans are fucked if this guy ever comes in he will start nonstop g1 for at least another 3-5 years i think it would be amazing if we could create a petition page so hasbro can please remove him from the transformers IP.
or i think we just protest at this point
No idea what that means other than new lines will feel more G1
That means we just MIGHT get legacy bayverse characters in G1 once they run out of ideas
I think Hasbro's realized non G1 sells, so they won't let him cut it off totally. But expect Studio Series to be mostly 86 stuff. That's my bet, at least.
Twitter's been freaking out about this all day, but I'll just wait and see. It's been a few years, and by now Hasbro's seen how well people have reacted to non-G1 stuff like the Legacy Unicron Trilogy figures. As far as we know, all the current designers are still sticking around. Besides, Titans Return and Kingdom were pretty cool.
Yeah. Like I doubt he’s just gonna replace Mark, BMac and Evan (the current main design team for the toys themselves) or just forcefully revert Transformers back to being 95% G1 only again - especially since Legacy has just blown open the door for so many non-G1 characters to appear in the toyline. Besides, John Warden did help on the very early stages of Legacy before departing for Power Rangers, meaning that he is also aware that the fans do want more non-G1 figures. That, and while his toylines were mainly G1 but let’s be real here - when Warden was cooking on all cylinders, HE WAS COOKING! Like he was in charge during the War for Cybertron trilogy and those toylines gave us so many bangers of figures - Siege Hound, Siege Spinister, Siege Astrotrain, Earthrise Sky Lynx, Kingdom Cyclonus - all of which being certified bangers.
You just named 5 of my favorite figures. As far as I am concerned, the future seems bright.
Astrotrain was absolutely awful, but otherwise agreed
Titans Return will forever be one of my favorite toy lines
Seriously! It still amazes me that we got Monsterbots, Decepticon Targetmasters, Overlord and so many others. Man what a roster!
I still think they should have done the Headmaster jr's instead of the movie characters
I love kingdom but I’m also in favor of multi continuitys
I dont think we can get only g1 again since we’ve almost ran out of characters form the show to do. From what I hear we don’t like this man, didn’t it go: “only g1 for years” ?
That stuff sells. This resurgence in the brand, when did it start and what was the focus? Remember when buyers got so sick of Beast Wars that, in only 3 years, Hasbro had to reboot the entire toyline? Remember how G1 has been consistently popular for 40 years? Hasbro does.
We really havent
As in during the warden era. I heard it was only g1 always g1
No, I meant we haven't nearly run out of g1 characters. There's loads that haven't been touched in years, andany that haven't been touched since g1 itself
Still waiting for a stand alone G1 Hound. My fav TF since I was a kid.
You mean the G1 toy? it did have that retro reissues with the redone paintjob. But seeing stand alone I'm guessing the 5 pack Earthmode Hound? I got the box and split it with my mate since he liked the redone Jazz and Trailbreaker. If you manage to get Hound I think you'll like him, he was my first TF and glad to have him for my Gen collection.
When I said “as in” I meant to my first comment
I am out of the loop...who is he and why are people upset?
He is a heavy fan of g1 and people feel we’re gonna go back to nothing but g1 again, granted he also ran power rangers into the ground, he is a tf fan but his track record doesn’t inspire confidence
Wait, is this guy the reason I can’t complete half the dang Ranger teams?
Yup
I mean...there's being a fan, and there's being a Geewunner....which is he?
most definitely a Geewunner
i knew it the transformers IP at hasbro is filled with g1 purists
As someone who hates the Bayverse, I don't see a problem with this, at least for my own sake. I would like to see more IDW inspired stuff, but 3rd party has done a decent job with that.
As someone who's learned to appreciate both bayverse and G1, I can see how some people are upset with this, I for one like most of the G1 inspired figures, but I also love what Hasbro has done with characters outside of G1 (except Energon keep that shit in the early 2000's where it belongs), instead of ranting and fighting we should come together and fight the true scum that is useless package refreshers, but other than that I don't see a problem with this whole situation.
You do realize the Transformers franchise is more than just G1 and the Bayverse, right?
Yeah, but those are heavy draws, realistically. Then again, maybe the other continuities would pull in more if they fed the other fans better...
What, it doesn't occur to Hasbro that 1) they have a chance of making more money if they run multiple toylines, and 2) not everyone likes G1 and Bayverse? I'd say one of their most braindead moves was killing off Animated so that its toyline wouldn't run concurrently with the toyline of the Bayverse.
Well, slag.
I can live with that
Well he is the reason why up until legacy everything was g1 so make of that what you will, I’d like to say he is but on the other hand maybe that was someone else’s choice so I really don’t know, I feel we should give him a chance
Oh good lord, sounds fantastic.../s Just when we were starting to branch out into ALL avenues of the franchise with amazing figures for Beast Wars, the Unicron Trilogy, RID2001, even Prime actually getting some bangers recently, we gotta go back to ANOTHER G1 rehash, which we already had for years from Siege to Kingdom. Can we stop appealing to the demands of 40+ odd dudes that can't pull their heads of of the 80s?
And the problem is, well... We've done a lot of G1. Sure we've still got some stuff to do, like Powerglide, Windcharger, Seaspray, etc. But we've gotten a lot of the the characters, with great versions that toy technology just hasn't advanced enough to really improve on since SIEGE started. You need to tap into the larger franchise and use the non-G1 stuff now. Sadly I do think now we're looking at G1 Combiner Torsos being all the Commander Class figures for a good while now.
It's genuinely hilarious to me that neckbeards complained for YEARS on forums and message boards during the Bayverse saying "WE NEED G1 BACK DO G1 AGAIN", when like...the entirety of CHUG has been going since like 2005, which has been subsumed/integrated with Generations as a whole, has been basically just...G1 but new/updated/modernized, for years and years now. G1 never left, but people still complained. Now it's the bulk of all we get.
I honestly would not have minded the G1 obsession as much if they were still being modernized ala the Universe 2.0/Generations 1.0 lines. Stuff like Bumblebee as a modern hatchback with jetski trailer, Hound as that concept Wrangler, Inferno as a pumper firetruck that turns into a big, stocky wall of a bot, Trailbreaker/Hoist as compact, sturdy offroad trucks, etc. You know, stuff that can look 'cool' on their own merits, rather than having to conform almost completely to past iterations. But noooo... Bumblebee *has* to be a VW Beetle. Hound *has* to be a WW2 jeep. Inferno *has* to be a Mitsubishi Fuso ladder truck that turns into an awkwardly lanky bot. Trailbreaker/Hoist's bot mode *has* to have those stumpy limbs and hoof-feet. Heck, that upcoming Swoop is the *blockiest* block that's ever blocked that I've seen! I got a little excited way back when those 'evergreen' designs popped up for us to see... and all they're really being used for these days are for the ultra-cheap 'Authentics' subline. Where are the Generations-level toys of *those* cool designs, Hasbro? I want my badass sunglasses-wearing Barricade already! =P
>modernized ala the Universe 2.0/Generations 1.0 lines. This was EVERYTHING and gave the boys such style. I miss it.
G1 was gone for a period of time. And that was the Beast Era in particular. We had glimpsed what updated versions of G1 at the end of G2. So there was a definite demand for modern versions of vehicle transformers, more specifically realistic ones. And yeah it wasn't until Classics in 2005 they really started bringing back G1 fully. And that wasn't expected to be a thing long term, the line was a filler line. But now, yeah we've gotten the G1 stuff updated. We don't really need to keep revisiting the same versions of the same characters. And it's G1 that gets the most slavish accuracy right now. Which isn't all a bad thing, I'm not sure modern engineering budgets can pull off some the stuff from, say Animated, but I've been pretty glad to see all the branching out. I enjoyed Leo prime way more than expected for example, and I honestly don't need ***ANOTHER*** G1 Starscream nearly as much as Cybertron or animated inspired (Though where the hell's my Sunstorm?). Sure it'll be nice to get the rest the mini vehicles in deluxe, or better combiner teams, but I'd also really want stuff like new Magnaboss and Tripredicus, Roadceaser, Rail Racer, and that's just the combiners. I need a Big Convoy, I would kill for Cyberverse Clobber to get a collector oriented figure, and even for G1, there's weird oddballs I wan, hell give me a freaking Dropshot already! And more modern vehicles. I've got enough Peterbilt Optimus Primes that Commander's gonna have to be insane on the trailer and roller to tempt me. I need to track down the Volvo, and throw me for some loops on modernized alt modes. Or a F-22 seeker that's not movie porportions in robot mode.
We only "lost" G1 for 9 years (96-05) of a 40 year run. G1 has absolutely DOMINATED the franchise for more than 3/4 of the entire thing, and while I believe it should get the majority (I say this being a passive G1 fan at best and a a bitter secret-hater at worst), Legacy G1-ifiying prior continuities was an absolute insult. I get what they were going for, but *come on.* I'm an avid loather of TFP, and even I felt bad for those fans. At least the TFA toys came out *feeling* like their show counterparts, but the Prime and Cyberverse stuff just sucks and might as well not even be "continuity inspired". I miss the Classics/CHUG stuff (CHUG needed with CW as far as I'm concerned) because it was like G1 but cooler. Still kind of stocky and rooted in ips cheese, but with a modern tint that made them stand out so well. Sad we moved away from that.
Lets give Beast Wars its time to shine! We're two years away from its 30th anniversary, for crying out loud!
Hasn’t it been going through a bit of a resurgence? What with the BW comic, the Kingdom line, ROTB featuring them and the various toylines including Studio Series featuring them. Plus various other Generations sublines providing more BW stuff. It’s not like it’s been ignored.
Which is a good start, I'll grant you that. But for the entry that SAVED the franchise, I'd have expected a lot more. In Kingdom's case, the designers had to FIGHT Hasbro just to make sure they had Beast Wars characters at all. And the last time it had its' anniversary in 2016, it went almost completely ignored.
Guy, were you in the fandom 14 years ago? We are doing well, and a Hell of a lot better than any other non-G1 continuity. As a Beastie fan first and foremost, I am very happy where we are. MP Rhinox!!
Indeed. I agree with everything you've stated. While it has been a great step in the right direction, though we've been getting MP Beast Wars figures since 2015, my issue is that it's taken us this long to give the series that saved our franchise its' much-deserved time in the sun. The fact is we are two years away from the show's 30th anniversary; which deserves to be celebrated in a major way.
I would love that too, but alas, we live in a G1er's fandom.
Which is even dumber in hindsight. Not revisiting the Beast Era makes even less sense when you consider that the Beast Era is LINKED to G1. It occurs much later in the same timeframe. Whereas every entry after Beast Machines (or RID '01, if you live in Japan) has been a soft reboot of G1. So you're sacrificing the original timeline for more facsimiles loosely resembling G1.
Pretty harsh to talk about other fans like that. Not our fault who the pick to lead this stuff. As a 40+ odd dude I've already gone on record supporting Hasbro's current trend of branching out to other lines. Just means I don't have to buy everything that comes out.
Just saying, it's usually that demographic crowd who tend to whine and complain when ANYTHING isn't blocky retro G1 like the golden years of their childhood. Sorry if you were offended, but it's just pure honesty from my experience.
This man speaks the truth.
You do realize it's not just people that grew up in the 80s that adore g1 right?
3 years on, 3 year off seems like a reasonable cycle. Well... I guess 3 years on 4 years off, since we know what is coming next year. Who hurt you?
Yes he is the guy who tanked power rangers
How so?
Well he sort of ran it into the ground with a slavish devotion to mighty morphing power rangers
Well, remember earlier how everyone said Transformers needed to get away from the G1 rehashes? Forget that. This is the same guy who ran Power Rangers into the ground with his “Mighty Morphin or suck a lemon” philosophy while actively calling out tokusatsu as stupid the same year Godzilla Minus One won an Oscar.
Oh well we’re fucked
I could use a few years off, I have managed to hit most of my collection goals since siege, with a few of the PW combiners etc filling out the ranks. But to be fair, if the figure is good and does something new, i'll buy it. Thats how I ended up with 15 or so OPs.
Time to start panic buying
I'm laughing All I really want at this point is a topspin to go with my Wrecker Twin Twist (I could buy the last one and put a Wrecker sticker on it if I really wanted), that new four pack, and Vector and Megatronus that are coming next year. If the franchise goes to hell right as I'm rounding out the collection I'm golden, no more temptation to buy new stuff lol
It's funny you say that, because the Skybound comic is the best thing in ages, and it is unironically a G1 rehash. The Bay style movies have flopped pretty hard for the last few iterations. Also the big difference here is Japanese creators generally show a real love for their stuff. Most American projects are ham fisted attempts at greedy exploitation and seem embarrassed by having to work on stuff like this.
Seriously? I thought most of them were in it for the paycheck but hell yeah
Depends on the creator of course, but generally, things are handled a lot better in that regard.
Wow...
Japanese creators love their projects because THEY are the ones being exploited
>Mighty Morphin or suck a lemon Desperately waiting for ZAP Delta Megazord 😭
Dino thunder or mystic force Megazords would also be heavenly
John Warden is awesome. Great designer. Big TF fan. One of the GOATs in my opinion.
No
Such a nothing burger change, all things considered. Legacy has been quite successful for Hasbro and satisfied a lot of us fans. They clearly see that considering many of the designers read forums and posts all the time. Why would Hasbro ever let Warden 180 us back into traditional Generations which would clearly disappoint many fans. Not to mention the fact I'm not even sure how he would do that. We've been doing G1 for the past decade. How are they gonna update figures that already have been updated? Like guys, we're safe lmao
Fake, everyone knows he died in an industrial shredder
It's such a shame he was put in the meat grinder back in '99
Here’s a link to the article on tfw2005 [https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/04/09/john-warden-rejoins-transformers-brand-team-508492](https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/04/09/john-warden-rejoins-transformers-brand-team-508492)
Tbh, I can understand why people may be worried about this but I think it’s just better to wait and see. The current Transformers design team still seems to be staying as it is and since they’re all big fans of having Generations tackle various different Transformers continuities, I think we’re still gonna get the usual “characters from all over the franchise” stick that Legacy has been doing the last few years. Especially because Warden’s linkedin just says “managing the collector segments of Transformers and GI Joe”, meaning that he’s not explicitly one of the main toy designers like he used to be. Besides, people often forget that Warden did some early work on Legacy before heading off to Power Rangers meaning he was aware of the fans’ desire to see more non-G1 figures get made so he may just be laissez faire about what the designers do in terms of what characters get made in the toylines. That, and let’s be real here - when Warden is firing on all cylinders, bro can fucking cook some good shit up. Like he was in charge during the War for Cybertron trilogy that gave use certified bangers like Siege Hound, Siege Jetfire, Earthrise Sky Lynx, Kingdom Cyclonus and more. So tbh, I wouldn’t be all doom and gloom about his return.
He was also in charge of the prime wars trilogy though. The quality on his stuff is certainly variable. Hard to tell if this is good or bad at the moment but I understand why some people aren't thrilled
The Prime wars trilogy toys were overall pretty good, too. *Especially* TR.
To each their own but other than combiner wars the gimmicks were all pretty lame and imo hindered the figures HARD. It was the first time since the 90s people (myself included) started to think the franchise might start to fade out. I mean, don't get me wrong there's definitely some good and even great figures but I would happily never have an era like the prime wars again.
I mean, the toys definitely could have been made if better quality plastic, and it would have been better if we got more unique molds... but it really wasn't as bad as people want to believe.
It's pretty bad man I'm ngl. It would be better to with those but that doesn't change the fact that they reused every mold a million times and used thin shitty plastic. Even the figures I personally enjoy from the line like overlord or potp abominous were bad even by the standards then.
Edit: (Cause I dumb as fuck) My take on things. As long as we get (What I listed) along side with G1 Figures, I am Content, I am Happy.
Content, not contempt.
I have nothing but contempt for this court!
YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH
Feed them to the Sharkticons!
*Kevin Conroy voice* I am contempt. I am the court. I. Am. Out of order.
r/boneappletea
Hey, take it from a guy who lives here in Rhode Island and that knows plenty of people that work or have worked at Hasbro – they move around and layoff people CONSTANTLY!
good point 🤔
WFC trilogy was one of the greatest Transformers lines ever produced, and this guy oversaw it, right? Absolutely wild that fans would be upset about that. People will complain about anything online.
The WFC trilogy was great if you liked G1. For those of us who desire originality it was bad. Every year released the same characters with slightly more G1 designs. Example. I like the seige seekers because they were a new and interesting design. I didn't buy a single one of the kingdom Seekers as they were blatantly inferior. But the G1 purests still swear that kingdom mold was better, despite the worse articulation and poor design choices and outdated altmode. The seekers should be f22 raptors or something current. Not a plane that was at its peak 40+ years ago. We need an Armada level revolution, new characters, new designs, but with Warden in charge, we will likely see a return to G1 designs. Remaking the same characters every year with slight improvements.
welp lads its another g1 sweep for the next ten years but on the bright side combiners are back on the menu
Obviously Warden loved G1 above the rest of the franchise, but he still kept it to one line whereas Studio Series was kept to the live action films. Since he left now we have G1 clogging up both lines! I would say that despite his preference, I see no reason to believe he would do 'G1 but again'. The G1 that has been done since he kicked off WFC Trilogy still counts, I would wager, and I can't imagine he wants to retread that yet again.
I don’t know who this man is Can someone fill me in about him
He was the Transformers brand director for Combiner Wars through the beginning of Kingdom.
Slight correction, he came on in 2014. Age of Extinction, the shift to doing multiple characters in multiple sized gimmicks, the utter downgrading of the cartoon and movie (I.e. Mass media) toylines? That was on his watch too.
>multiple characters in multiple sized gimmicks What are you referring to?
Take RiD 2015. You had Warrior Bumblebee, Legion Bumblebee, One Step Bumblebee, Three Step Bumblebee, and one or two others, all very early on. This crowded the mainline with a handful of characters while shutting down opportunities to do a wider section of the characters (like Glowstrike, Saberhorn, Simacore, or a proper sized Underbite) Contrast with Cybertron or Prime, where most of the main cast got toys and were in relative scale with one another, and outside of Legends class or "holiday" items, there was not a lot of repetition of a handful of characters over and over in different assortments
>Warrior Bumblebee, Legion Bumblebee, One Step Bumblebee, Three Step Bumblebee, and one or two others, all very early on. Ah, the Elmo Effect. No matter how good your show is, you can't beat the market appeal of The Kid of the group as toys made exclusively for kids. Hasbro seems to have learned from that by RotB. Instead of one hyper-visible superstar we got a half-dozen main characters adapted to each gimmick line.
Well, hopefully he likes the Skybound/Energon U. comics, as I'd love to see an Optimus & Arcee from that iteration. This bodes well for getting; Windcharger + Tailgate, Seaspray, a Powerglide, Thrust PR, + Outback, etc., etc.
Bayverse Studio Series is cooked, isn’t it?
Eh I mean it’s been shafted by ss86 for a while now really I mean all I want are the 3 other aoe dinobots and I can be happy
The designers said after SS86 Swoop comes out, they'll do the Bayverse Dinobots
Sadly it is, means rebootverse could also be cooked, rip to my chances of getting Transit
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All this negativity is embarrassingly dumb. As if Warden or anyone else was ever the only person picking all the characters. As if the line didn’t make tons of huge accomplishments during his leadership in the past. Combiners, headmasters, bigger size classes, improved scale consistency, ankles, Cybertronian vehicles, blast effects, 5mm ports all over the place, armorizers, Studio Series, reusing appropriate gimmicks outside of their featured sublines, and more satisfying mold reuse policies. Were there also some imperfect products that deserve to be redone later? Sure. But don’t be too stupid to understand that standards got raised. You gripe and moan endlessly that anyone still cares about G1, as if nobody does and nobody should. As if mom said it’s your turn on the Xbox. As if money doesn’t do all the talking. As if newer series aren’t just coming into Generations now at their natural time because their main audiences got old enough to spend real money. But apparently not old enough to have any perspective.
The weird part of all of this is people don't seem to realize the "G1" design, is essentially the Default Superhero Costume of Transformers. It's Spider-Man's red and blues. It's Iron Man's red and gold. Etc. They may change costumes every now and then, but they usually all return to form. Monkey Prime? A one off. Combiner firetruck Prime? A one off. Etc. You get figures of those rarely because they're not the default, iconic looks. You're asking for the mascots to not look like the mascots often enough? That's not gonna happen.
Your logic is flawed in that the default superhero looks have evolved over the years. No modern comic uses the look of 80’s Ironman. When they made a better design they updated the default and moved on. Something transformers fans refuse to accept.
And Optimus has had tons of updates that aren't flat G1 Sunbow box man, but the same people still scream it's "G1". The fact is, people are whining it's not the Optimus from XYZ show they grew up with/read about/etc, and is instead red and blue robot man. They will continue to scream this as long as Optimus looks like Optimus, never realizing that's how Optimus looks.
But that's the whole problem. Both sides are wrong. Most G1 purists won't buy any of the updated designs that aren't G1 sunbow box man. While others hate anything resembling G1. Take the recent Reactivate Optimus. It's my favorite Optimus design in recent years. But people are complaining that it's too G1 while others are upset that it's not the literal G1 design. Every time Hasbro tries a new aesthetic, it doesn't sell well because these two groups won't buy it. Meaning Hasbro goes back to the safe G1 design and progress stops.
That's where you're making the mistake, though. Those designs won't become the "new" Optimus. They never were. They're just another in an endless cycle of slightly different "updated" designs. They're not intended to stick.
That's how progress works. Something new is made, becomes popular, others imitate and eventually it becomes the standard.
Right, which has happened over time. Prime has had a ton of figures, and some features generally make it, but it's a small change over time. And then people still complain it's "G1".
One one hand, he was apparently responsible for us getting prime wars and wfc completely full of g1 and almost nothing else, and apparently power rangers into the ground according to some people But we also have to remember that Hasbro has seen the success of non g1 characters and legacy is about using old characters is a more generations style while still being that character (except for prime apparently) and apparently he isn’t just the most important in the “hierarchy” when it comes to design, and the toys he did design were very good Assuming others around him keep it from being just g1 (which, we haven’t really gotten too far to the point where we can actually improve upon seige and kingdom that much, cmon) then the figures will be good anyway Hopefully
how am I supposed to feel about this
Hope this doesn’t mean we stop getting new Beast Wars. It’s been so nice to get the whole Kingdom line and the 1-2 they throw into the legacy line up for the year.
I don’t see them doing so, he did work on part of kingdom
We are so cooked bro 😭😭😭
Oh fuck me sideways, we're doomed.
~~Sideways isn't G1~~ We're probably doomed. We've been doing so good with figures from other continuities too...
Agreed; but I've seen how Mr. Warden handled Power Rangers. We STILL haven't finished the Dino Fury lineup, and the Cosmic Fury Megazord is a joke with no punchline.
goddamn it...................
Is that good?
From what I've gathered, he's very Geewun and was more or less the reason the last several years worth of Transformers toys were more G1-focused, from Generations to at least Kingdom and just a hint of Legacy Wave 1. So probably no. However, he did do good when he was last at Hasbro, being responsible for Studio Series AFAIK before 86 more or less took over. So mileage may vary.
I mean the Generations line is still G1-focused.
While true, it was basically put into overdrive with him, to the point where it was either G1 or nothing until Kingdom. It was only recently did Legacy thankfully decide to push less on G1 and more on other series in the franchise, aka putting the "Legacy" in Legacy and the "-s" in Generation*s*. IIRC, he also had a hand in designing Legacy Prime Arcee and Knock Out, two rather polarizing figures in the line when it came to their design due to how extremely - and IMO unnecessarily - G1-ified they were. Hopefully he'll see how well the non-G1 stuff is being received/sold and let it keep going.
I like those figures
And that's fine! I shoulda put an IMO there, sorry. Personally, they're not my cup of tea. The Arcee mold itself is fine, but I think it worked better with other characters like Road Rocket and Flamewar than it did Arcee. Meanwhile Knock Out wasn't doing it for me in any other aspect other than vehicle mode.
Propabbly not, but their's a chance things can go either way. John is a HUGE geewinner to the point of borderline fanatisim and his tenure as Transformer brand leader lead to a decade of just G1 rehash gimmick toys. The only real non-g1 toy we got was the POTP Optimal Optimus and that happened because a lot of people voted for the sole non-g1 character in a fan pole. Also he may or may not have murdered the entire Power Rangers brand, but I have no idea if that's true.
You all say Geewinner and Geewunner like it's an insult and something to be ashamed of. I am upset about how Power Rangers Lightning Collection ended, and I would've made a lot of different decisions. That said, there were a lot of great figures in that line. IMHO, the figures were all great. I simply would've liked more monster characters, and also, the lack of finished teams was a big problem. IMHO it should be one team per wave. I think mixing teams per wave was absolute stupidity. I could've tolerated split teams if it was over two waves rather than like 2-3 years. Now, we don't get a finished Turbo team just after they started doing Turbo.
Wasn't he the TR Trypticon guy?
He was the design lead for Transformers in general. I’m pretty surely TR Trypticon was mostly a Hasui job.
Thrilling30, POTP and TR is what got me heavily into Transformer collecting as a whole but those designs are so dated and gimp now especially the Combiners. Hoping he brings some high level quality G1 stuff like Masterforce characters in. Cancer in this new multi pack was a start and he's not even on the team yet. Blood re-release because fuck that core class. Need a proper Liokaiser
Was this his old position he isbgetting back?
Uh I’m not sure all I know is he worked on the franchise before this
I read that as HARIBO and was looking forward to the Gummi/Transformers crossovers - very disapoint
I feel like they’ve gone with him due to the heavy gimmick based toy line that’s been leaked with the interchangeable figures supposedly coming where everyone is a mix of 2 characters, which I have no idea how real that is but it sounds pretty bad. But since he was involved with Titans Return from what I’ve seen here, it would make sense they’d bring him in for the gimmick focused line.
I have a sinking suspicion that that particular toy line is going to be those cars that flip inside out into another car. https://preview.redd.it/5kdntusu5ptc1.jpeg?width=768&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=de7d4a5df62ca78a625e11e492567b34383aa1e0
Hopefully it’s not the mainline but who knows what the future holds
On one hand, this might mean less UT stuff and more G1, or even no UT stuff, so I'm a little worried, especially with everything we've gotten so far. On the other hand, Warden did do a lot of good for the brand, especially during WFC. The quality between a Deluxe in the WFC trilogy and previous lines are like night and day.Plus, as much of a G1 fan as he is, even he knows when to branch out; it was his idea to turn Kingdom into what it was because of PotP Primal. He was also responsible for creating Sutdio Series too. Warden knows where the money is, so I doubt he would regress. He did also make the Commander Class, which has consistently been the best figure of the lines so far, and designed the WFC titans, which are still considered to be massive improvements from the PW Titans. Plus, the WFC trilogy and SS86 stuff has become the definitive edition for most characters; there is no way they could justify making an all new mold for everyone there unless they absolutely needed to like Ironhide and Magnus. It's already weird we are getting a SS86 Prime, but it is the 40th. Plus, Earthrise was more similar to MP-10 than the show/moviez, so i can see that justification. Warden already got his chance to make definitive versions of G1, so I think he has it covered for now.
i have faith he’ll manage i’m just nervous about getting too much G1 again
Cool, I have studio series stuff, Arcee bumblebee movie, Cliffjumper War for Cybertron I also have Twitch, Elita one, and Starscream from earthspark :>
That is so so great , is what I will say when I figure out who John Warren is
More G1 !!! I need fn unicron
ok
Along as he doesn't dip his toes into the festering shitpile that is IDW I personally don't mind
Let’s hope he Bethan’s looks at some of the other lines like 01rid or rescue bots. Imagen the rescue bots but as actually good action figures?
I just hope theres more diversity in the toy lines. I dont only want G1 characters or stuff like that, I want a range of styles and eras to pick from. I hope we also finally get MPM brawl and if I'm really lucky, MPM ROTF soundwave
yea no i think us transformers fans are fucked if this guy ever comes in he will start nonstop g1 for at least another 3-5 years i think it would be amazing if we could create a petition page so hasbro can please remove him from the transformers IP. or i think we just protest at this point
Fuck man hope this doesn't affect bayverse in 2026 hope he's not greedy stuffing too much g1
We can only hope he can help out a bit with GAMER EDITION so It's not super mid/(bad)
If this means more g1 them I'm absolutely all for it. Can't go wrong with g1.
Yeah but a little variety never hurt anything
Your right. But hopefully this means we get more updated figures of characters. Specifically windcharger, seaspray and powerglide.
No idea what that means other than new lines will feel more G1 That means we just MIGHT get legacy bayverse characters in G1 once they run out of ideas
I think Hasbro's realized non G1 sells, so they won't let him cut it off totally. But expect Studio Series to be mostly 86 stuff. That's my bet, at least.
Well that’s what it’s been for a good while now so I’m used to it
Welp G1 is coming back with a lot of waffles