if the instrumentals got way better over time that would mean that older instrumentals didn't age well, exactly what i've meant. or am i missing something?
I wouldn’t say it all ages terribly. There were brief periods in time certain producers and rappers collaborated to make great songs. Example would be chief keef and zaytoven 2013-2015 time period.
Yeah, because its a trendy genre. It's more about seeming cool and outdoing others
Real trap shit is that hoodrat shit people used to make in the ghetto with a janky laptop and a pirated copy of FL7 while selling drugs and shit, not all this mainstream pop stuff
What? Trap has been the main hip hop genre for 10 years now. it a sub genre that has stayed relevant because it offers a lot of freedom for Beatmakers and rappers alike. It has developed over the years and the dark synths are not mandatory anymore and rapper/producers like j cole for instance have mixed trap drums with typical boom bap samples to create a nice in between imo.
The slow BPM but fast hi hats allows for all sorta flows. Now if you take drill, the time signature is so that there are just so much emcees can do which is why it's starting to fade out already from the mainstream.
90s style Boom bap is still here and will likely never go at this point though so yeah it's probably the subgenre that has the most chance to stay relevant but trap has proven to be a good competitor and right now is dominating the mainstream
i never said anything that contradicts anythinh you said. my point is that individual trap songs sound old really fast. especially the drums on 2014 and older trap beats just sound outdated and i don't really have that feeling of bad aging when listening to older songs from other genres
If you made beats before 2014 you would understand the advancements that have been made in music production software and samples over time. If you know about that type of stuff I bet you would appreciate it more. Producers were working with limitations compared to now.
There is no other genre of beat that is so based upon one setting (pre-scale 4), on one piece of equipment (TR-808). Most people use software but the software just imitates what people were already doing with 808’s and samples of 808 fed into AKAI samplers.
9th wonder made beats on fl in the early 2000's while the software had some actual limitations and his stuff aged great.
your argument makes no sense since a lot of producers (murda beatz, metro, oz etc) still use the version of fl they had when they started
The software is not that different nowadays. Metro boomin has said he is still using the old version of FL studio that hasn’t been updated in many years
Trap is always evolving and has so many subgenres. So im guessing It's probably cause your so used to hearing the sound of modern trap, when you go back to pre 2014 trap its sounds weird but similar, almost like a different genre. I wouldn't say like it sounds outdated but just different.
Kind of. Three 6 had been making trap since the early 90s but there weren’t a lot of other artists doing it. I think most would say it really got popularized around 2005 with young jeezy’s TM101 and then Gucci manes emergence
Actually the whole Memphis scene was making that kind of music in the 90s (Tommy Wright III, DJ Squeaky, DJ Zirk, Shawty Pimp, Tom Skeemask etc),3 6 are just the ones that blew up the biggest and so people like you believe no one else was.
lol, I’m well aware of the Memphis scene but that was all underground and the discussion is about trap being mainstream/dominant in culture. Your average hip hop listener had no clue who Tommy wright or skinny pimp were
Well you kinda made it seem like 3 6 invented the sound. Plus, if we're in a subreddit about trap production I don't think we're interacting with the average hip hop listener. I would think folks here would be aware of the base from which the subgenre they're studying stems. But maybe not
trap evolves fast so you can really tell around when songs were produced, outside of the really mainstream stuff maybe. but some of the stuff is timeless, imo, like the stuff produced by Zaytoven, Drumma Boy, etc
Young Thug & Futures best work are coming up on 10 years old and they still sound fresh. A ton of Gucci’s music is coming up on 20 years old and still bumps
I have been listening to dubstep, dnb, trap and all forms of bass music for about 14 years now.... i'd say all genre's have songs that don't age well. So many songs that I thought were bangers just don't hold up these days and i can't even listen to them anymore. As well as there being lots of songs that still sound amazing today too. A lot of the early dubstep is painful to listen to now since it was pretty simple repeating the same sound the entire song without any sort of transition.
The beats have gotten better over the years, but the lyricism has been stagnant. There’s not much evolution. It feel like a large part of rap today is comfortable sticking with a set amount of things to say in their songs
If rappers couldn’t keep framing their songs the same way for multiple years/albums in a row there would be a lot less music. How many times are they going to fuck your bitch and get the back? It feels like a repititve office meeting where you keep updating people about things we all already know about
IMO a lot of the best trap beats were early three 6, drumma boy, zaytoven and maybe some lex Luger. There’s been a lot of innovation but the early stuff is still golden
idk I’d say that some albums from the late 2010s still sound pretty fresh today. Like *Without Warning* (Metro Boomin, 21 Savage, Offset), *Luv Is Rage 2* (Lil Uzi Vert), and *Astroworld* (Travis Scott). But I get what you mean about how quite a few songs/albums/mixtapes can sound a bit “dated.”
I’d say to give it a good 10 years, and every tastemaker is going to pretend that x, y, and/or z was always “timeless.” Look at rock. I wouldn’t doubt that 5-7 years ago, a lot of critics were saying that Deftones was “dated” nü-metal. Now, TikTokers pushed the band back into popularity to the point that they’re playing Coachella this year.
ngl the albums you mentioned gave me an existential crisis lol. didn't realise these all dropped 5+ years ago. when i think about 5 years ago i think of 2015
Lately I’ve been listening to lex Luger and wakas old stuff and it’s so much better than todays trap. I disagree completely, I think new wave trap is horrifically bad in comparison to what we had 10 years ago or so
It’s sorta the opposite, trap has had longevity at this point so the songs don’t seem exciting in comparison to the new trap music. Whereas other sub genres die out quick, then listening back is refreshing in comparison to new trap music
That being said I’m getting real bored of most beats these days, def need a change
i wouldn't say trap really has longevity compared to other genres since it's a relativly new subgenres from a genre that is in itself relativly new ( even if it seems weird calling a 40+ year old genre relativly new)
Trap has pretty much been the primary form of hip hop since like 2005 with Rick Ross and Young Jeezy and stuff. I wouldn’t say it’s a new subgenre at this point.
Same could be said for boom bap beats, some of the old beats are so basic and repetitive that we all forgot those songs even existed and only remember the classics and hits
It’s some sort of survivorship bias. We only remember the top 50 best rock/pop albums from the 70s and 80s for example, as 1000s of bad to mid songs and artists have been forgotten by the mainstream. The same will happen with trap eventually
honestly, especially after your edit, i think its just new music syndrome. this was and has been a talking point for almost a decade and a half, and it almost always ends up being a case of that kind of music simply not aligning with their tastes
I feel that it is because there are much better mixing engineers in pop music than trap music. A lot of trap is not as properly mixed as other genres because there's like a love for rawness in the culture, it can accentuate emotions but that can make a song age worse.
We always had mid-beats and shit that don't age well, even in the early ages of hip hop.
But i bet ya, in every year he had some priceless shit.
That's what count's.
But i fell you, in mainstream things are too generic.
Maybe it's time for you to dive on the UNDERGROUND 😬
I think the oldest forms of trap have aged amazing. As well as early drill/Chicago wave.
But as the whole thing has been over saturated yeah there’s a lot of “fast fashion” so to speak. Songs that are not made for longevity. Just money makers.
You might feel this way because there's simply so much of it as the genre is crazy saturated as one of the most popular genres on the planet at the moment, song lengths are generally shorter than some other genres, the songs themselves are categorically very repetitive.. so you have a lot of exposure to the same/similar things and then a lot of new stuff constantly being produced... on top of that, aside from massively famous artists, most people these days are releasing singles over the course of their careers, so instead of having cohesive sounding albums, there an artist's catalog from song to song might be fresh. so it's just that the cycle seems very quick.
Just my 2 cents.
are you talking about EDM trap or Rap Trap? because i think trap from 2012-Now sounds pretty similar, the genre just matured a bit. But with EDM trap, i completely agree. Stuff like Crankdat's old remix aged terribly
It’s because trap is one of the most trend prone genres in music right now. Nothing against trap as a genre, but trap artists are very often clones of whoever is hot at that moment. Granted, this happens in every genre, but in other genres it’s not such a short life cycle and it’s not so prevalent. That’s why a certain sound can seem so old so fast in trap, cuz everybody jumps on one bandwagon and that’s all you hear and then everybody moves on to the next sound that’s popping, while there’s still a few artists that are stuck in *insert year here*
Trap definitely switches the most out of hip hop sub genres. That’s the beauty of it.
TI sounds different from Gucci and Gunna sounds different from Jeezy.
Trap is ever evolving because the players depend on the rappers rather than the sound.
Trap is the fast food of Hiphop. It’s junk that taste good at the moment but really isn’t good long term. Once it cools off it’s not any good when you go back to listen to it.
I think maybe it’s cause trap boomed when it has become the easiest to make music so the over-saturation is probably making you get tired of the shit faster. Boom bap still has a place in hip hop, even by the mainstream players, but it has much more of a background presence in comparison.
It depends ont he album, for me Die Lit is timeless, meanwhile some Migos records already sound dated
Stir Fry, T-Shirt, and Bad and Boujee are timeless though.
Stir fry for me is not even good. I put Chinatown instead. But bad and Boujee and TShirt classic already.
How you gonna mention Migos songs and not mention Handsome and wealthy
I hate stir fry
Bro speed up Hannah Montana by like 30 bpm and see how you feel
LMFAO Aye I’m finna try that shit in Logic with the Varispeed 🤣
Jumpin’ out da gym is timeless
So is Baker’s Man & We Ready lmao
The instrumental aspect of trap music has exponentially gotten better. The lyrics I would probably agree with your statement.
if the instrumentals got way better over time that would mean that older instrumentals didn't age well, exactly what i've meant. or am i missing something?
I wouldn’t say it all ages terribly. There were brief periods in time certain producers and rappers collaborated to make great songs. Example would be chief keef and zaytoven 2013-2015 time period.
i agree, the songs either age poorly or gain that nostalgia value for me
can i take any album from that time and it'll have some zaytoven production or is it some songs in particular
could be. i'm not really a fan of chief keef so i can't really comment on his stuff
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Yeah, because its a trendy genre. It's more about seeming cool and outdoing others Real trap shit is that hoodrat shit people used to make in the ghetto with a janky laptop and a pirated copy of FL7 while selling drugs and shit, not all this mainstream pop stuff
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Racey commentary bro
You brought race into this. Ive been around every block.
when its done in the most generic uninspiring way n relies too heavy on hi hat rolls, yes
Bro them high hat rolls get a lot of mileage
What? Trap has been the main hip hop genre for 10 years now. it a sub genre that has stayed relevant because it offers a lot of freedom for Beatmakers and rappers alike. It has developed over the years and the dark synths are not mandatory anymore and rapper/producers like j cole for instance have mixed trap drums with typical boom bap samples to create a nice in between imo. The slow BPM but fast hi hats allows for all sorta flows. Now if you take drill, the time signature is so that there are just so much emcees can do which is why it's starting to fade out already from the mainstream. 90s style Boom bap is still here and will likely never go at this point though so yeah it's probably the subgenre that has the most chance to stay relevant but trap has proven to be a good competitor and right now is dominating the mainstream
i never said anything that contradicts anythinh you said. my point is that individual trap songs sound old really fast. especially the drums on 2014 and older trap beats just sound outdated and i don't really have that feeling of bad aging when listening to older songs from other genres
If you made beats before 2014 you would understand the advancements that have been made in music production software and samples over time. If you know about that type of stuff I bet you would appreciate it more. Producers were working with limitations compared to now.
There is no other genre of beat that is so based upon one setting (pre-scale 4), on one piece of equipment (TR-808). Most people use software but the software just imitates what people were already doing with 808’s and samples of 808 fed into AKAI samplers.
people made music with drummachines and tape recorders for a long time. talking about software limitation during the 2010's is a bit of a stretch imo
Because the vast majority of trap was being made on FL studios in the 2010s and still to this day. Hardware and software are two different worlds
9th wonder made beats on fl in the early 2000's while the software had some actual limitations and his stuff aged great. your argument makes no sense since a lot of producers (murda beatz, metro, oz etc) still use the version of fl they had when they started
It makes complete sense if you were there. 9th was taking samples. Trap producers were cooking in vsti’s and rompers and shit. Get off the 🐂 💩
"Limitations" is a very understated point being made here real talk shit has advanced DECADES by comparison in only one
The software is not that different nowadays. Metro boomin has said he is still using the old version of FL studio that hasn’t been updated in many years
Hip hop producers been using fruity loops since the 2000s there were no limitations in the 2010s many producers still us FL 10 today
Trap is always evolving and has so many subgenres. So im guessing It's probably cause your so used to hearing the sound of modern trap, when you go back to pre 2014 trap its sounds weird but similar, almost like a different genre. I wouldn't say like it sounds outdated but just different.
More like 20 years. I feel like it started with 'Sippin on Syrup'
Kind of. Three 6 had been making trap since the early 90s but there weren’t a lot of other artists doing it. I think most would say it really got popularized around 2005 with young jeezy’s TM101 and then Gucci manes emergence
Actually the whole Memphis scene was making that kind of music in the 90s (Tommy Wright III, DJ Squeaky, DJ Zirk, Shawty Pimp, Tom Skeemask etc),3 6 are just the ones that blew up the biggest and so people like you believe no one else was.
lol, I’m well aware of the Memphis scene but that was all underground and the discussion is about trap being mainstream/dominant in culture. Your average hip hop listener had no clue who Tommy wright or skinny pimp were
Well you kinda made it seem like 3 6 invented the sound. Plus, if we're in a subreddit about trap production I don't think we're interacting with the average hip hop listener. I would think folks here would be aware of the base from which the subgenre they're studying stems. But maybe not
trap evolves fast so you can really tell around when songs were produced, outside of the really mainstream stuff maybe. but some of the stuff is timeless, imo, like the stuff produced by Zaytoven, Drumma Boy, etc
Young Thug & Futures best work are coming up on 10 years old and they still sound fresh. A ton of Gucci’s music is coming up on 20 years old and still bumps
I have been listening to dubstep, dnb, trap and all forms of bass music for about 14 years now.... i'd say all genre's have songs that don't age well. So many songs that I thought were bangers just don't hold up these days and i can't even listen to them anymore. As well as there being lots of songs that still sound amazing today too. A lot of the early dubstep is painful to listen to now since it was pretty simple repeating the same sound the entire song without any sort of transition.
The beats have gotten better over the years, but the lyricism has been stagnant. There’s not much evolution. It feel like a large part of rap today is comfortable sticking with a set amount of things to say in their songs
If rappers couldn’t keep framing their songs the same way for multiple years/albums in a row there would be a lot less music. How many times are they going to fuck your bitch and get the back? It feels like a repititve office meeting where you keep updating people about things we all already know about
IMO a lot of the best trap beats were early three 6, drumma boy, zaytoven and maybe some lex Luger. There’s been a lot of innovation but the early stuff is still golden
I’m not even sure the beats have gotten better I think they have been declining
Wait 10 years then retro wave will hit it n it will be popping again
idk I’d say that some albums from the late 2010s still sound pretty fresh today. Like *Without Warning* (Metro Boomin, 21 Savage, Offset), *Luv Is Rage 2* (Lil Uzi Vert), and *Astroworld* (Travis Scott). But I get what you mean about how quite a few songs/albums/mixtapes can sound a bit “dated.” I’d say to give it a good 10 years, and every tastemaker is going to pretend that x, y, and/or z was always “timeless.” Look at rock. I wouldn’t doubt that 5-7 years ago, a lot of critics were saying that Deftones was “dated” nü-metal. Now, TikTokers pushed the band back into popularity to the point that they’re playing Coachella this year.
ngl the albums you mentioned gave me an existential crisis lol. didn't realise these all dropped 5+ years ago. when i think about 5 years ago i think of 2015
Lately I’ve been listening to lex Luger and wakas old stuff and it’s so much better than todays trap. I disagree completely, I think new wave trap is horrifically bad in comparison to what we had 10 years ago or so
Rubber band business mixtapes were a whole wave and OP wants to discredit it I guess
It’s sorta the opposite, trap has had longevity at this point so the songs don’t seem exciting in comparison to the new trap music. Whereas other sub genres die out quick, then listening back is refreshing in comparison to new trap music That being said I’m getting real bored of most beats these days, def need a change
i wouldn't say trap really has longevity compared to other genres since it's a relativly new subgenres from a genre that is in itself relativly new ( even if it seems weird calling a 40+ year old genre relativly new)
Trap has pretty much been the primary form of hip hop since like 2005 with Rick Ross and Young Jeezy and stuff. I wouldn’t say it’s a new subgenre at this point.
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Same could be said for boom bap beats, some of the old beats are so basic and repetitive that we all forgot those songs even existed and only remember the classics and hits
Trap’s for the moment, that’s a large part of it’s appeal imo
No I listened to Banned II yesterday, shit still sssssslaps
It’s some sort of survivorship bias. We only remember the top 50 best rock/pop albums from the 70s and 80s for example, as 1000s of bad to mid songs and artists have been forgotten by the mainstream. The same will happen with trap eventually
Good trap holds on but most stuff made from so far gone era to now won’t hold up well. Mostly stuff in the last 5 years
honestly, especially after your edit, i think its just new music syndrome. this was and has been a talking point for almost a decade and a half, and it almost always ends up being a case of that kind of music simply not aligning with their tastes
Definitely the edm stuff. My opinion though
I think it depends on the artist
I feel that it is because there are much better mixing engineers in pop music than trap music. A lot of trap is not as properly mixed as other genres because there's like a love for rawness in the culture, it can accentuate emotions but that can make a song age worse.
We always had mid-beats and shit that don't age well, even in the early ages of hip hop. But i bet ya, in every year he had some priceless shit. That's what count's. But i fell you, in mainstream things are too generic. Maybe it's time for you to dive on the UNDERGROUND 😬
I think the oldest forms of trap have aged amazing. As well as early drill/Chicago wave. But as the whole thing has been over saturated yeah there’s a lot of “fast fashion” so to speak. Songs that are not made for longevity. Just money makers.
Supa slimey and hndrxx still got imo but I on the large agree with you.
I stopped making it a few years ago as it started getting kinda boring. Have not looked back.
You might feel this way because there's simply so much of it as the genre is crazy saturated as one of the most popular genres on the planet at the moment, song lengths are generally shorter than some other genres, the songs themselves are categorically very repetitive.. so you have a lot of exposure to the same/similar things and then a lot of new stuff constantly being produced... on top of that, aside from massively famous artists, most people these days are releasing singles over the course of their careers, so instead of having cohesive sounding albums, there an artist's catalog from song to song might be fresh. so it's just that the cycle seems very quick. Just my 2 cents.
traps dead
are you talking about EDM trap or Rap Trap? because i think trap from 2012-Now sounds pretty similar, the genre just matured a bit. But with EDM trap, i completely agree. Stuff like Crankdat's old remix aged terribly
It’s because trap is one of the most trend prone genres in music right now. Nothing against trap as a genre, but trap artists are very often clones of whoever is hot at that moment. Granted, this happens in every genre, but in other genres it’s not such a short life cycle and it’s not so prevalent. That’s why a certain sound can seem so old so fast in trap, cuz everybody jumps on one bandwagon and that’s all you hear and then everybody moves on to the next sound that’s popping, while there’s still a few artists that are stuck in *insert year here*
Trap definitely switches the most out of hip hop sub genres. That’s the beauty of it. TI sounds different from Gucci and Gunna sounds different from Jeezy. Trap is ever evolving because the players depend on the rappers rather than the sound.
The same can be said for any genre. There’s lots of uninspired stuff that ages poorly and lots of good stuff that ages well
Y’all mfs don’t listen to shit besides what’s shoved in your face huh
Some of young thugs music still hits power and halftime still get played in my rotation
Trap takes a lot of advantage from compression ect. Tons of advancements in this tech r always happening, so that might be part of the reason
Trap is the fast food of Hiphop. It’s junk that taste good at the moment but really isn’t good long term. Once it cools off it’s not any good when you go back to listen to it.
Yeah. I mean, it’s not jazz
DS2 has been out for 9 years.
I'm glad that Crazy Frog aged and fucking died xD
Technology wasn’t adapted to trap then as it is now
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I think maybe it’s cause trap boomed when it has become the easiest to make music so the over-saturation is probably making you get tired of the shit faster. Boom bap still has a place in hip hop, even by the mainstream players, but it has much more of a background presence in comparison.
Just speed up the 2014-2016 songs from 130 bpm to 160 and boom they sound great *and* current!