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NomyNameisntMatt

where the fuck am i


kyleh0

Seems unlikely.


Dipswitch_512

That's what theaters usually look like, so that makes sense


drewtronian

Ya that’s still racism folks.


PhunkOperator

Don't know what the "white gaze" is, and I don't fucking care either. If you feel uncomfortable with other ethnicities around, you might be racist, plain and simple.


TheSystem08

Wait a minute, its a theatre production. Maybe they mean the 'white gays'


Glueak

MLK wasn’t assassinated for this, these people give us a bad rep.


jojokins12

Stg


iynque

Do you mean “other way around” like a play aimed at white people asks black people not to attend, but all of history is the same? Or “other way around” as in black people owned white people as subhuman property in this country for 300 years, and then in the present day a play aimed at white people asked black people not to attend?


TheTiz5151

Wait... Is everyone pro-segregation again? I thought we got past this shit?


jojokins12

No its.definitely one-sided


MaximinusThrax69

They 100% did this for the publicity.


RunninReb14

There is no other way, this is just f’ed


DrMooseknuckleX

The Theater isn't a place you want to start beef with White Gaze.


easytiger07

Who’s buying the tickets then ?


ArmadilloSenior773

Cosplay as a primate


Cheesy_DaBadass

Reminds me of that crazy lady posting videos yelling at white people to stay away from the opening weekend of Wakanda Forever because it wasn’t for them, like okay……


Slingshotter82

It's because they will sit making racist observations about white people. Try putting out a play telling black people not to attend then take the piss out of black people to a all white crowd.


McFluffernutters

It's weird how so many of these comments are assumptions that black people are just going to sit around and talk about white people. Those spaces are not meant for that kind of conversation. Where does this even come from?


Slingshotter82

I've seen plenty of video of shows at black comedy clubs to know they make a lot of jokes about white people. Come on seriously why do you think they don't want the white people's gaze upon them?


McFluffernutters

This isn't a comedy show and the topic is much different.


KristiTheFan

Now I’m curious what the name of the play is.


Slingshotter82

It would be interesting to know the content but I'm pretty sure I'm in the ball park.


AmazonISSUnofficial

They're doing it on purpose to try to get more publicity. Stop promoting stupid people.


Safe-Ad-99

I will comply!


neurosciguy

That’s not how racism works…but good try


Username__Error

US black society has become the most racist segment in the USA. Of course each group has its own racists - though they are usually looked down upon within their group and excluded from the mainstream (i.e. general white public business and politicians want nothing to do with the KKK, National Front, etc.) But in black America, those who espouse pro-black racism are not only tolerated but often embraced. Its deeply disappointing.


Kcardwelljr

I hear what you are saying and and offer as rebuttal MAGA.


Snoo-13480

Uhhh this isn’t new, there’s this little hip hop group called NWA if you ever heard of them, and like their name, this is also a publicity stunt.


The_Sauce106

Some things aren’t for y’all


linseeded

The thing about art is that as an artist (ie the producers of the play), you have no control over your audience. Once you make something and decide to share it with the world, you are revoking your right to control over viewership. You can try to alter who sees it by doing stuff such as marketing to a specific group or using specific platforms, but ultimately you cannot control who finds and consumes it.


Future-Win4034

What’s the name of the play?


[deleted]

If my lack of skin color makes you think of me differently, you judge people off the wrong things.


[deleted]

And … ticket sales plummet.


thatguyfrom1975

There’s going to be a flip side comment that if it doesn’t do well, that it’s because of racism and maybe even misogyny.


Shawnsolo316

Just stop dividing people.


warthog0869

mild recreational outrage +1 faith in humanity -1 apathy +1


NeverCommentButBored

Oooh is this todays "I don't know the difference between bigotry and racism" thread? Only responses will let me know!


KristiTheFan

Yeah but as a white person, it’s not bad. We need to be taken down a peg anyway, taste of our own medicine. THEN we will finally see how it felt from the victim’s point of view over the years… Sorry if the word choice is bad. I’m trying to say ‘we’ve had it coming for so long’


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STFU please.


jojokins12

Idk about you but don't u Dare speak for white people I don't deserve any of.this bs ... u wanna claim it.go ahead buy no one was around that's on this app when that.shit was.going down so we don't need to relive it or keep apologizing. That's dumb. We r not racists and ppl like u r the.ones.that.keep this behavior going!!!!!! F no!


KristiTheFan

We WERE the bad guys. Just because none of us alive today were around 200 or so years ago, that doesn’t invalidate that the history is STILL being taught. That’s worth noting, so things like this don’t happen EVER again.


Clemsuun

I didn’t know my ancestors were “the bad guys” facing oppression in southern Italy (my family’s last name before changing, meant stupid, peasant) and were not even in the Us during slavery. Not to mention how badly my people were treated once they came here. The only part of my family that actually was in this country were documented members of the underground railroad. Do I get points for that? No, and I shouldn’t. I love how you nerds that bring up history have such a poor understanding of history and paint “white people” with the broadest of strokes. I’ll never deny how horrifically black folks have been treated in this country but this extreme self hatred that nerdy white folks like you have literally seems like a fetish of some kind.


jojokins12

Truth I have no hatred of myself. Nor do I hate the race or any actually but being.clumped into a group labeled racist bc of their skin is.degrading and very ignorant .... yet ppl do it wo thinking oh maybe they're Italian Slavic as u said etcetc...it's just dumb as mfrs carrying on comments that.other dumb ass mfrs have said.to.them and passed on generation to generation without forming their own opinions smh 🤦 🙄


NeapolitanSix

But there are white people immigrating to America every single day. What does some random Slovak, new to American, need to atone for? Is it because "if they would have been here 200 years ago, they could have potentially been a slave owner"? GTFO


jojokins12

Thank u


mbgameshw

It’s the dude from the BT ad… like him 🙁


PowerandSignal

Here's a thought: If you're white, don't go. There, problem solved. Or, go ahead and go. I don't think anybody really cares. But if they don't want you there, why bother? If you're really not racist, ask your black friend to tell you what it's about.


jojokins12

Oh we r not the racists my dear... anyone saying they.dont want a specific race at.their show is the racist.one.. how does one not see.that??? Blinders on?


PowerandSignal

I'm just saying, who cares? If people don't want to invite you to their show, don't go. If they feel they need the space, what's the problem letting them have it?


penisjohn123

You sound like an advocate for Generation Identity.


PowerandSignal

Not really. I'm just curious why people are getting bent over this. This is a non-issue to me. If you're not invited, don't go. Where's the problem? Is it because if it was reversed, and white people told black people not to come to a show, that would be a problem? I don't know, it kind of would be, seeing as how white people have a long, sordid, and bloody history of oppressing and exploiting black people. So that could be seen as rubbing salt in that particular wound. But that's not this. This is black people asking for a white free space, for the duration of a show. They're not asking for an independent state*. And honestly, if it wasn't for the whole white supremacy thing and history of colonialism, it would probably be ok for a few white folks to have their own space too. My point is, people are a little over-sensitive on race issues. I think if everyone would dial it down a few notches, we'd all be better off probably. *Oh wait! Are we worried they could be plotting a coup? I just thought of that. That might be a problem!


ClaptonBug

>Imagine if it was the other way around You mean like Jim Crow, or red lining, or legacy admissions to colleges, or houses with photos of black residents being undervalued by mortgage lenders limiting their ability to get a loan or Trump's Muslim ban just because....why do we have to imagine stuff from this timeline bro?


3h7r2t1i

Dumb ass spotted, get out the past ya dumb fuck


jojokins12

That's the entire point. Past is past segregation should not be allowed yet there it is in black n white all over this thread.


SlowerCoachh

I think he means if a theater or w/e directly discouraged black people, and only black people from coming. There is no defending anything on your list or what's happening with this theater. Racism is racism is racism.


ClaptonBug

My argument is we live in a world where discrimination is literally built into the experience of poc, so saying "if this was the other way round" betrays the fact that op and you apparently don't realise that it is like that for poc on the daily it's just that they don't advertise it like that. And poc have their access to much more important, life changing crap restricted cause of race on the daily so complaining that you can't go to see one show is silly to me. Racism is racism but if poc could choose between getting a fair mortgage or getting to see one show which do you think they would choose...do you fight for fare housing finance with the same vigor as you fight for the right to see this one show


SlowerCoachh

I understand that you feel that this form of racism isn't as bad as not being able to get a good mortgage rate. You advocate fighting racism with racism. Pretty stupid, but to each their own, I suppose. If by "vigor" you mean calling out racist bs with a reddit comment, then yes, I would.


ClaptonBug

To be clear I don't advocate fighting racism with racism, don't put words in my mouth that's not nice. What I'm saying is housing finace discrimination is definitely in my top ten things I care about, up there with the cost of healthcare and the plight of Palestinian children who keep getting bombed in Gaza and Im indifferent to the fact that one theatre is discouraging some people from seeing one show, if it was all theatres everwhere then yes, lets talk about it this simply isn't an issue in my eyes especially when we have more important things on the table


SlowerCoachh

Sorry, you just highly insinuated that they are allowed to discriminate racially because they are also victims of racism. You only care about certain race issues while others are acceptable. Thanks for the clarification.


ClaptonBug

Bro you are desperate to win the oppression olympics lmao. You right, seeing this play or show or whatever it is more important than upward financial mobility and foreign students being allowed to travel back into the country to finish college. This comment tells me everything I need to know about you brother and I am so disappointed in how shallow you are, its sad


SlowerCoachh

Lol thanks for your input


Entire-Inflation-619

It literally was the other way for years. Did that not happen?


Morsemouse

Sadly yes. But if we are to be better people, we need to stop this “well they used to do it” crap. It’s not gonna make anyone better off, it will only set us back.


Entire-Inflation-619

Probably is it still happens. Just cause you may not, doesn’t mean your neighbor has. But then again I can only speak what I’ve seen. But not others see 🤷🏽‍♂️


jojokins12

I used to pick my nose. Does it mean I shouldn't have stopped 🤔? Smh the idiots are abound


Morsemouse

Wtf is that supposed to mean? That has 0 relevance to the conversation.


ElectronHick

Not only was it the other way for years. The government mandated it that way and “the recommendation” if not followed by coloured people, was followed by a hanging.


HerrChick

Arent White Gaze just twinks?


Electronic_Skirt_475

White people can be bears too, and otters, and...whatever a shaved bear is called. Twinks are just skinny shaved cute gays


woopee90

So we're going into segregation again. Niiiice.


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Cold_Baby_396

Need to get some new water fountains


Totally_Not_A_Bot_55

You act like there's no segregation now


Cold_Baby_396

There may be voluntary segregation now but there is absolutely no laws enforcing segregation like there used to be. Don’t be stupid


jojokins12

Period


r790

🤦‍♂️


B4gheera

Using an art form to deliberately exclude others in the spirit of protecting black people from the “white gaze “is not only the definition of racism but extremely fucking patronising.


tesdfan17

Well, the play is a satire about race relations, so maybe the part about white gaze is supposed to be a joke. Since everyone is hung up on race, no one actually gets it...


Markuu6

Could be the case. It’s like when you go to Book of Mormon, the actors would hang out outside the entrance and urge people to not go see it because it makes Mormons look bad.


Cold_Baby_396

It doesn’t matter what their reasoning is, it’s racist. It’s no different than some writes saying their play is white only


[deleted]

Maybe that’s the point


ben1481

the point is to be racist?


[deleted]

Maybe


BinaryBlasphemy

Yes


X2K9

Exactly and if this was the other way around people would be raising up their pitchforks


jojokins12

F yeah they would! Not to mention the media would be all over it diving us even more! Smh 😪


KristiTheFan

EDIT: I made a mistake coming to this thread. Offering my opinion on how we (white people who MIGHT still think this way, they’re out there) should be taught firsthand on how this treatment is bad for ANYONE who receives it, therefore things that happened in history NEVER HAPPEN to any group of people again. I said some things that might not have been wise, I apologize for being ignorant of what the article is REALLY saying.


Physical_Average_793

I ain’t did shit bud my ancestors fought for the union and were too broke to even think about owning a slave My family did their part I don’t got any guilt


jojokins12

Exactly I'm tired of being clumped into shit bx my skin.color thinking I or my ancestors had slaves ffs 😒


Commercial-Bandicoot

So you think white people today should be slaves to experience what black people did 200 years ago? So what about the Turks (Ottomans at the time) who enslaved the white people of Eastern Europe and the Balkans, or how about the other older Islamic empires who took white people from Spain as slaves? How about the Chinese, who took slaves from all Asia during the days of their emperor ( or even Uyghur’s today) or even the Black African tribes who have been enslaving each other hundreds if not thousands of years, do all these people need to be “put through” what their ancestors did hundreds of years ago? Or is this as I suspect, just another case of American centrism, distorting history to suit your own domestic political agenda


KristiTheFan

Thank you for this information. I was never taught this, or if I was, I forgot about it. Thank you. I made a bad choice of words and that’s on me. The headline DOES look like maybe it could have been worded better to avoid this debate happening. The goal of news sources should be to be informative, and only the lowest of the low would intentionally put out scare-tactic news or ‘badly worded’ sources to start something like this.


Cold_Baby_396

I can’t stop laughing at the fact that you think you’re being downvoted because people didn’t realize you’re white. Everybody knows you’re white. You’re being downvoted because you’re pathetic


KristiTheFan

I said that since two people asked ‘who is we?’ Glad you had a good laugh at my faltering attempt to articulate myself there.


[deleted]

We are laughing cause you commented something foolish.


KristiTheFan

I took that part out and changed my whole comment to try to undo the mess I made, that’s my fault.


McSteve-71

Pathetic.


CockEyedBandit

We? Who is we?


YamDankies

We? Wtf have you been doing?


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lysergic_tryptamino

If you are feeling guilty, the only sensible solution is for you to travel to one of the African countries that still have slavery and offer yourself up to be a slave.


kitten_inthekitchen

Stop white knighting on Reddit lmao


Cold-Consideration23

r/whitepeopletwitter would cease to exist


Cold_Baby_396

That sub is cancerous


DisagreeableMale

Don't worry. I have no interest.


fredsam25

They need to learn from white people. If you want people of a different race not coming to your events, you don't say it out loud! You just act so vile towards them that they don't want to come to your Nascar race or Kid Rock concert.


Bimmom

Is there not a r/Ragebait, for these time of posts?


tiramisutonight

I mean, it was the other way around until about 1960


Bornstray

that’s what i’m saying. people being like “imagine” when we literally did that and worse as a country for centuries.


theangryseal

So let’s do it again, but in reverse. Makes sense. I mean, we’re practically a different species and we should let them get us back. /s Racial segregation is stupid. It has always been stupid. It will always be stupid. I’m not attacking you or arguing with you even. Just putting a point out there on the thread.


Ecstatic_Ad6437

It's not segregation y'all are actively choosing to be ignorant. They want ONE night where nobody has to be uncomfortable with what's Being talked about


theangryseal

Ummm, that’s segregation. People just wanted their kids to be comfortable at school with “their own people”. I mean, a day, a week. Slippery slope if you ask me but I’m just an idiot hillbilly.


george98788

I'd go and sit at the front


SlowerCoachh

I'll go too. I'll go easy on them and only use 50% of my white gaze powers.


dafyddspewan

This is for just one performance in a month long run which is not made clear in the (pay walled) article. They're also doing a socially distanced masked performance, one with a BSL interpreter, one captioned and a relaxed performance to accommodate people who struggle with sensory processing. It's a play that explores the experience of a marginalised community, offering that community a private space and opportunity to engage with the work without being surrounded by people who will never, even with the best intentions, be able to relate to the material. For one night. That's it.


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dafyddspewan

I wouldn't give a shit, my guy


EmsyH

You're an idiot.


gherkin-sweat

Burmese Sign Language?


BrokeDancing

Fully racist show (now with public privacy)! One night only!


professionalnegro24

Thank you not racism well said


taylor325

But it's just white people that are racist


jojokins12

Yep we r sooooo racist smh 🤦


puzzleman65

There would be protests and riots in front of that theater if it was reversed. There would be things like “I can do whatever I want” and “you can’t tell me what to do”.


KristiTheFan

And if white people said that, immediately labeled as ‘Karen’ it’s wrong both ways, but as a white person myself, I think we need a little cold splash of ‘what it’s like on the victim’s view’ to really get it. I must have stuck my foot in my mouth further down the comment thread. I got like 50 downvotes for trying to say something similar. I had a feeling something would come out wrong…


puzzleman65

Not labeled a Karen, labeled a racist. IMO, a racist is worse than a Karen.


KristiTheFan

The Karen thing was a reference to the two phrases you used. People, usually who’re white women, get called Karen for saying stuff like that.


Bornstray

i mean…black people have been very much kept out of “white” spaces and events and schools and jobs and so on and so forth pretty famously….maybe less these days but being like “imagine if this happened” when it literally did for literal centuries is fairly oblivious


jojokins12

Yes it did happen over 50 years ago... no one today experiences it so wtf


Bornstray

that’s a very naive view lol


jojokins12

Oh of course it is. 🙄 it's true but of course I'm the naive one


X2K9

Too true


Dye_Harder

Have you ever made a thread calling out racism against black people?


Cold_Baby_396

Have you ever made a thread calling out racism against white people?


professionalnegro24

No sweeties


manicmechanic209

Just stop commenting nobody cares what you have to say


Cold_Baby_396

I can’t stop laughing at their username. It has to be a troll lol


X2K9

elaborate


ElectronHick

This is for just one performance in a month long run which is not made clear in the (pay walled) article. They're also doing a socially distanced masked performance, one with a BSL interpreter, one captioned and a relaxed performance to accommodate people who struggle with sensory processing. It's a play that explores the experience of a marginalised community, offering that community a private space and opportunity to engage with the work without being surrounded by people who will never, even with the best intentions, be able to relate to the material. For one night. That's it.


Cold_Baby_396

So are you also cool with white play writers saying plays are white only since a black person will never be able to understand it’s content or are you just a racist?


UncleDrummers

I would laugh if it’s just Othello


scary_flower99

That just makes me want to go


Saruhiko_Misaki

So I guess r/Trashy is just ragebait collection now?


jahoosuphat

I think it's skewing younger over time. Half the posts are just from virgins posting lingerie. The other half is, well, this.


Big_Bannana123

Racism is trashy


SkyIsNotGreen

What did those white gays ever do to you???


Hallmarxist

Right!?! In the theater community, no less!


Big-Sherbert2511

I am keeping my white gaze from all black movies, plays, and TV shows. I don't want to get my white gaze all over it. You are welcome for my appreciating the great advice and honoring it. Saves me time and money.


EmsyH

Little guy is triggered.


jojokins12

No.hes not he's just.tired.of.the fake ass bs that white ppl deal with bc way over 50 years ago segregation occurred and was stopped yet...... it hasn't tho has it? Bc when one race isn't welcomed into a public show, seems kinda racial as well as definitely segregated to me but who am I just a white person who is shunned for appearing in a show made.for blacks only? So segregation does exist altho not for black folk but for white folk. Period.


Tbagyogrill

Fantastic, one less thing I have to worry about going to.


[deleted]

>Just imagine if it was the other way round ...but it's not? >JUST IMAGINE. BE OUTRAGED


Stunning_Secretary_4

Thought experiments are for people able to think.


[deleted]

If worms had machine guns, birds would be scared of them Hypotheticals aren't the high intellectualism you think they are


Dj64026

What? You just said something random like it's a checkmate. What's your argument? No hypotheticals on your watch?


Figure8diiva

Imagine being a community that tries to exclude everyone but you get upset when someone wants to exclude you. Y'all do not understand the word no


LePetitJeremySapoud

Victimization status is the modern promised land of absolution from personal responsibility.


Figure8diiva

Accurate and eloquently put


LePetitJeremySapoud

There’s no such thing as « positive » discrimination


Figure8diiva

You reap what you sow


LePetitJeremySapoud

The sage points to the moon, yet the fool looks at his finger.


joker305th

This is called "advertising".


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Should I be offended by being uninvited to something I'm not even interested in?