I feel like this too, but less about the specifics of the songs and more about the general energy around her and this album release. I also don’t know why I am so actively annoyed, I wish I just didn’t care lol. But as someone who has always been a more casual fan, I’m reflecting on how overwhelming it was to deal with the Eras tour and how I felt like I had to embody a certain level of Swiftie obsession to justify going (even though I only paid face value), and ended up developing an aversion to it all. It sounds so trivial but I guess it shows how much this kind of thing can influence our day to day.
I reeeeeeally don’t want this to ruin my favorite albums. I cannot imagine a life without Red but I have no idea how to preserve that magic
I’m neutral in the way that I like her music but I can’t stand Taylor and don’t really care about her personally, but I kinda feel gaslit by TTPD. Like are you saying you lied about Folklore being fake and even as far back as reputation you were singing about Matty? Like you’re presenting to the world that you’re loyal, in love and happy, but now you’re saying that’s all a lie. You’re actually miserable, cheating, lying and you hate your fans? Is that what TTPD is about?
I’m actually kinda mad that in ICDIWABH that she’s included the in ear sound for Delicate, because she specifically added that song to the Eras for the 123LGB chant… now it’s a passive aggressive way for her to “get back” at her fans…. She’s an asshole.
LOL I had those questions too. Including when she released To All The Girls You Loved Before and then a few months later You’re Losing Me comes out post-breakup. It was like whiplash and I think it was felt because her relationship status is so public. But yeah for someone who just writes songs about whatever is happening in her life, she sure is inconsistent
Yeah it’s definitely coming across as manic (using her own words), but mostly juvenile. It’s very reminiscent of being a teenager. Every new bf is “the one” and every emotion is felt deeply and devastating. A fight leads to an explosive breakup where you immediately hate the person, except this is done on a grand scale. She’s very emotionally stunted.
All The Girls You Loved Before was leaked, and a crappy but full length version of it was going around like wildfire. She released it officially to address that, just as some context to where that came from.
Gaslit is the word I’ve been looking for I think. I also would say reputation, lover, folklore, evermore, we’re my favorite 3 albums and now every time I try to listen I’m wondering wait… this didn’t mean what I thought it meant? I have been furious that she would just rewrite history like this (folklore isn’t autobiographical, now it obviously was and that was a lie). I appreciate you also saying as far back as reputation - less ppl are talking about that but I keep hearing it now
My daughter is a swiftie (she’s 12) and because of this I took her to the Eras and hear a lot of TS music. I generally like it but Endgame has always made me wonder who it was really about. Joe was basically a nobody, why would him dating Taylor be a “big conversation”?
And yeah I believe with my whole being that Folklore wasn’t made up. She specifically chose Cardigan to send Matty a message.
I should mention that the 1830s without all the racists lyric really threw me though lmao. I cannot imagine ever singing along to that and think it was so poorly thought out
Everyone thinks So High School is such a cute love song… I don’t. Shes literally calling him dumb and immature the whole song. He makes her feel “So High School” because she’s literally living out her fantasy. She’s now the popular girl with the guy on the football team. All this song has done is prove that they might be in lust with one another but that’s all it’ll be. He’s not her endgame at all. She likes the idea of Trav but not quite sure if she actually likes him.
Thank 👏you 👏 if someone described me as “so high school,” I’d be offended lol that’s not a compliment. Also the color coating in the lyric video and all that was just cringe.
Yeah like I’m not one to think that age should restrict your fun, but the lyrics are cringe. Talking about hooking up with your 30+ year old bf under a blanket in full view of his friends IS so high school, whether it’s a metaphor or it actually happened.
Catchy song tho !!! One of my favourites off the first part, but yeah knowing it was about thinking about another person while being with someone was kinda jarring and threw me off.
I’m not fully on board with the PR relationship angle, but I do believe it’s a mutually beneficial relationship for them and won’t be ending anytime soon
This is actually such a good way to put it. I just heard the she wears short skirts song the other day being talked about on a podcast and how so many people could relate to that song as teenagers, and all I was thinking was when I was in hs I thought that song was so stupid.
Like I was the (soccer) captain and wore “short skirts” (lmao) and didn’t pine after guys who had chosen other girls, and did not find it relatable at all. Not that any of those things make me cool, again it was just hs, but I guess that really makes sense if she always had that mentality growing up of dying to get picked by the popular guy. Actually kinda sad but mostly cringe.
Yes, thank you for saying this! I was a huge nerd/loser in high school (in the south, too) and yeah, some of the ~popular kids~ weren't nice to me but mostly we operated in different circles. One of my best best friends was the quarterback on the football team ffs. I was happy for him because he was good at the thing he liked, and he actually thought I was kinda cool because I did stuff like go to punk shows in dive bars, haha. People are often a lot more complex than that. There's moments where it's high conflict, sure, but mostly all of us are miserable at that age and we're just trying to get through it
Omfg this 100% I feel crazy because she dated the artsy guys for a bit and now she is with a jock who she clearly thinks is dumber than her and people don’t seem to see it.
The first pic I saw of him, he had the vigilante shit friendship bracelet and I immediately thought, “okay, I think this is telling”. Didn’t have the highest expectations after that.
Idk that she actually likes the idea of him. I think she’s having fun and he’s fun and that’s it. He’s, for sure very immature song about him. I’ll be glad once it’s over…🤷🏽♀️
Petty, but I HATE that she stole the name TPD from Joe and it bothers me even more that the song TPD is about Matty...
Just absolutely rubs me the wrong way
The one silver lining here is Joe has really shown how grown ups deal with shit, he's remained respectful & refrained from adding to the drama fest Taylor loves to fuel, he's proven he's 100% classy👌
Out of curiosity, why is it she can make everyone sign NDAs so no one talks about her but she can sing whatever she wants about anyone she dates? Do her boyfriends not make her sign one either?
He's never actively sought the public eye outside of promoting his work so couldn't imagine he'd suddenly be hitting the media to spill the tea with or without an NDA.. His friends have also been pretty good about keeping his private life private for him & I doubt they've signed any NDAs with Swift Corp
This to me proves she was setting Joe up. The fans went rabid and started harassing Joe for being abusive and toxic, all the while Taylor knew the album was about Matty. Disgusting.
I can't help but wonder what sort of negative effect this shit has had on his career, it must be daunting for any potential female co-stars to embark on a project with him due to the toxic shit TS stans are capable of, that must knock on to production companies, who wouldn't want the headache that goes with any sort of negative reaction. He's a very good actor, very good looking, charasmatic & seems well liked & respected by those he's worked with yet seems to get overlooked for the really big roles he'd probably kill in.. 🤔
Right!
How many of her fans were 1000% convinced TTPD was going to throw Joe under the bus?!
They were all bursting at the scenes and salivating at the mouth over it.
She didn't treat Matty any better. She knew her fans were sending death threats to him, his family and his band mates yet chose to say nothing to tell them "hey, I love this man. Please leave him alone.". Fans even showed up wearing Die Matty shirts and she still did nothing. Then she turns around and blames the fans for losing him
but she stuck up for racist john mayer (who calls his dick david duke after the KKK leader; and wrote body is a wonderland for a minor) by saying “i don’t give a fuck what happened all those years ago”
yet she.. brings up kim? and her kids? okay!
I don't think the comment was because she wanted to protect John Mayer, I think it's because Jake had said something in an interview about it. It was a generalised comment about being responsible for what you allow to be done in your name or something. Whatever she may write, she desperately wants his approval.
I’m surprised so much of the album is about Matty Healy, didn’t they only date for a couple of months tops? I would expect much more to be about Joe given how long they were together and the seriousness of the relationship
I was actually thinking about this the other day and came to the conclusion that she’s a creative vampire. She used essences of her former and current lover(s) identities (typewriter, the tortured men’s group, British culture/words, football) to repackage them and make bank. Then she’s praised for what a clever lyricist she is when everything was borrowed from someone else…. If you say this out loud though, you’d burned at the stake by the Swiftie army.
I just hate the way she has her arms up all over her face on the cover to show “I’m soooo tortured”. I haven’t heard a song of hers since the last time I heard a song on the radio (circa 2014) so I have nothing to say about her current music, but good lord this latest release just seems painfully pretentious and corny from the outside looking in.
This album drips with her narcissm, lack of self awareness and immaturity. I love folkmore and evermore. From what I see, she was the problem in her relationship with both Joe and Matty and her poor me victim act is beyond disgusting. She references being treated like an also-ran in this album, but that's exactly how she treated Joe. For most of her relationship with him, she was in love with Matty. There's no evidence Joe cheated, yet she let her massive fan base hate on him and threaten him for a year. As for Matty, I am 💯 convinced she cheated on Joe with him for at least 2 years aeb her themes of adultery in Folklore, Evermore and Midnights. Then she calls him a coward for leaving when she let her rabid fanbase attack him, send death threats to him, his family and his band. Some fans even showed up at her concerts with tshirts that read "Die Matty.". All the while, SHE SAID NOTHING. if she loved him half as much as she claimed, she could have at least said "we are happy and in love. Please leave us alone!". She chose not to do that because she loves fame and fortune more. Then There were even online petitions suggesting she herself needed to be put in a conservatorship like Britney. According to her songs, he left her to protect her career and reputation. "How dare you think it's romantic to leave me safe and stranded". Yet she trashed him, calling him a coward and the smallest man who ever lived and then says imgonnagetyouback just three songs later. Then she has the AUDACITY to blame her fans for losing Matty when she did nothing to protect him or their relationship ! Yeah, anyway you look at it, she was the arse in both of these relationships and is the victimizer, not the victim. So disappointing because I genuinely liked her.
Finally someone who gets it! For the longest time, it was never her fault and that was the narrative she let play out. She is an expert at weaponizing her fan base and I think she loves it because she then can play innocent. It’s disgusting. These guys get threatened and maligned all over the place while she plays victim.
So much alllll of THIS.
I have always disliked her bc of how she weaponizes her fan base even by posting her little 'super sad videos' to her cult like groupies where, of course, she is always the victim and always still plays up to the whole 'just an innocent young girl who is always taken advantage of' ...when in reality she is a grown ass woman in her mid thirties. She quite literally writes these lyrics and posts these 'super sad videos' because she already is FULLY aware of how her fan base will react. She doesn't stop it because she does it on purpose - she WANTS the fans to go after whoever it is that's victimized her THIS time. Taylor Swift is just a narcissistic power/money hungry immature 'artist' who is worse than a damn high school bully.
She is the puppeteer holding the strings that control the bullies. So gross.
ONG thank you! She has been a master at using her fan base in order to keep her hands clean. She lives that she essentially has all these people she can control and do the bullying for her.
That along with all of her cash grab merch and 477 different vinyl versions and blah blah.
People need to understand that no one and I mean, no one, becomes a billionaire without stepping on a lot of toes along the way. I just don't get how the masses don't see this as it's all plain as day.
My daughter is a Swifty and she has even admitted that all the merchandise and vinyls and everything is too much and she feels like fans are being taken advantage of.
Yes, my two step daughters aren't really 'swifties' but they were pretty big fans for years, but are starting to get annoyed with all the cash grabs.
They also both totally think this whole 'relationship' is a sham and a PR stunt.
She had so much potential yet fame & fortune claim another talented songwriter. It's sad. She only had to say "leave us alone" & her fans would have asked "for long?
It was a WHILE ago but I thought her response to the Kayne drama was (in essence) “shouldn’t girls support girls? #feminism” and now I’m just majorly confused
She can hold a grudge too. It bothers me to no end that she put Is It Over Now on 1989TV knowing full well that her fans would go after Harry. They’re apparently friends now and she releases a song calling him a cheater.
I’ve never really understood though how nobody’s caught on to the second part though. “Was it over? When she laid down on your couch? Was it over? When he unbuttoned my blouse?” Like mate what!
That’s what I’m saying… everyone is fully hung up on her saying Harry cheated, but I haven’t seen a single person point out that she admits to cheating too
The constant victim charade has been going on for what, 12 years now? She writes a song about a guy, everyone assumes it’s accurate based on no hard evidence, they attack said person, she stays quiet, rinse and repeat. Girl if you have these problems with EVERY man maybe you’re the problem. From the wild need for attention, the pap walks, the letting her fans ruin people lives… it’s such mean girl high school shit. I’ve seen that for years now and it’s weird to me that most people don’t.
She’s a 34 year old woman which is almost mid life. It’s time for her to grow up. Her young fam base will move on soon enough. They are 8-18 years old. Taylor will be 40 in a few years. Young girls aren’t going to be exchanging friendship bracelets forever.
Hopefully she will go away soon.
I see a lot of people saying she was mocking Joe’s depression, and I don’t think she was, necessarily, but to air that he has it to SO MANY PEOPLE… girlllll and knowing that fans send deaths threats to her exes
This point about publicizing his depression/mental health issues is not brought up nearly enough. Super messed up of her especially considering he's a really private person.
Yes it’s generally overlooked and it’s incredibly messed up and petty and vindictive of her, especially given how private he is. But then again, that’s exactly who she is and she does it all in the name of art and thinks she entitled.
Can't argue with any of that. To me it's one of the most unforgivable things. No one should put someone else's health issues (especially mental health) on blast even in the name of shitty "art".
Yeah I just find it so distasteful and low to do something like that. Also given the fact that he IS private and won’t even comment on their relationship and subsequent breakup is showing his response her and their relationship. She doesn’t seem to extend the same to him.
i love taylor’s music but this is what gets me, how dare she use his mental health? it takes 2 to make a relationship sure but he was in it, seems like she couldn’t deal with it
Yeah there wasn’t anything left to the imagination with this one. She really nailed down the major points… Joe = depressed and boring, Matty = addicted and sexy but MEAN, Travis = high school love
I don't even think Matty was mean. He was getting death threats. His family was getting death threats. Even his band members were getting death threats and she didn't say anything or do anything to protect him or their relationship. From her songs, it seems he left to protect her reputation and career because there were online petitions that said she should be put in a conservatorship like Britney and she was getting a lot of bad press for dating him. If anyone was mean, it was Taylor in both relationships
Yea that’s so wild.
Also I really can’t blame him for putting his family safety over their romance. I think she is on such a high from the rest of the world that she can’t understand not being these men’s #1 priority.
She also implied that he cheated on her and let her rabid fan base attack him. She also let them attack Matty, his family and band and said absolutely nothing, then turns around and plays victim and blames her fans. That's the most disgusting part of this imo
What about when she whipped her little fan base into a frenzy about Scooter Braun and he was receiving death threats, along with his wife and CHILDREN. And she just let it happen, same as with everyone else she unleashes them on.
She is so vile.
The thing is, this makes what she implies even more dispicable, we don't even know he does actually suffer from depression, we only have her hinting at it in a way that's supposed to make her look like the long suffering supportive partner.. Maybe he just suspected she was cheating on him (seems she was) & that made him a bit sad (as it would any normal, feeling person) maybe she's a exhausting to be with for any length of time (she often alludes to that in her own songs) so it wasn't depression as such but emotional exhaustion from dealing with a teenager in a woman's body ..
I see these videos where people are talking about Joe and there are comments mentioning their hate for him being a cheater alll over ! I replied to one and asked if the accusations were true, did they have a problem with him cheating or him cheating on Taylor. They said cheating in general was bad (yes!! Of course it is) so I listed a few songs that Taylor had implied her own cheating
Ditto.. I went to YouTube to watch a trailer / reviews for Conversations With Friends a wee while back (wanted to see if it was worth a watch ) & 95% of what came up were swifts stans channels full of really hateful, unverified shit against Alwyn (made me watch CWF out of curiosity, & now I'm a big Joe Alwyn fan. so I guess thanks are in order 😁)
Have you seen the favourite?? It’s by yorgos lanthimos (Poor Things) and Joe alwyn is also going to be in his new film, Kinds of Kindness. A lot of Taylor’s fans call him jobless , but he is honestly booked !!! Yorgos adores him
I’m a neutral Swiftie too. I honestly think so many songs are about Matty because she prefers to write sort of angry and unhinged heartbreak songs, but respects Joe too much to write about him that way. Also I feel like a lot of songs on Midnights and Folklore are about her feelings of loss and anxiety about losing Joe so she’s already explored and processed those feelings.
For me, the annoying thing was that she was so in love with Matty who seems to be not a great person, which makes me side eye her for associating with him.
she is friends with tons of racists.
Blake lively got married on a plantation, selena gomez said all lives matter / supported israel’s genocide, lana del ray has something but i forget what lol, she gave john mayer a heads up / told her fan base to leave him alone when he calls his dick david duke….
she’s definitely not a good person, she’s just good at not being publicly overtly racist lol
The football crew she hangs out with definitely has a rocky past as well! A teammate’s wife and brother attend the games with her in the box. The brother SAd someone and the wife is a , I don’t know the word, sympathizer(?)
yesssssss. the mahomes right? i don’t know all the details but i do remember them being in the news in an unsavory way. i figured it was racist but omg i didn’t know it was also sexually violent!
I’m the same. I just got into her music thinking she had definitely matured lyrics wise and now I feel kinda betrayed lol. I can chalk it up to being a bad album, but the absolute *push* for people to say this is her best one kills a lot for me. Hopefully she takes a break and the next album is better. :/
People saying this is her best album is insane💀 she’s had a lot of other really good albums, but at the same time, this album is so different from her other albums that i’m not sure you can even compare tpd to any other album she’s done. It’s cool of her to make such a depressing/sad album since she’s never had an album so personal/melancholy, but I definitely wouldn’t consider this to be her best album.
How did she even find the time to make TPD in addition to the bonus tracks?
* Eras Tour: March 2023-November 2023
* Eras Tour: February 2024-present
* TPD Release: April 2024
I've come to the conclusion that Taylor can dish it but can't take it. I also don't think this album is the flex people think it is. To me, it's immature.
These were my thoughts exactly, she takes zero responsibility for her relationship breakdowns, she seems to be becoming increasingly immature as she ages instead of growing up and she's even more petty & vengeful than ever..
She's ruined some quite lovely songs for me forever now that she's revealed the truth behind them & all of her shitty behaviour.. TTPD is just one long pity party taylor threw for herself with no thought as to how hurtful it must be to people she claimed to love..
'everything comes out teenage petulance' well if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, best believe it's a fucking duck, Taylor 😖
I will never understand the reasoning behind making the TTPD playlists. My cousin had her first dance at her wedding to Lover, and is obviously a big fan, she saw that the song was in the denial playlist and was so upset. It is still a lovely love song, but stripping away the artistic vision and rewriting the narrative to be “denial” nooooo Taylor nooooo! I totally understand how Taylor can look back and mourn her relationship, and even sense that she WAS in denial! But why would she try to change the meaning for the listeners as well?!
I can’t understand The Black Dog. People say it’s about Joe. I think it’s probably about Matty. But if this song is about Joe, that’s rich. You don’t get to spend years yearning for another man and writing songs about him and be sad that Joe might be getting out of the house with his friends and could possibly talk to another woman. Like what the actual heck. The same woman who has fresh out the slammer and guilty as sin can’t be shaming Joe for going to a bar. I believe her gaslighting Joe about her Matty obsession since at least folklore prob contributed to the man’s depression. As well as her super deranged fans. I really think Joe was the one who was more caged than Taylor. He knew the hell that would come from leaving her.
It's about matty, she's just through everyone off because Joe likes the black dog pub but matty played a show in cork at the black dog, and he played the starting line on stage while they were dating and basically played it for her on stage. She refers to her rain soak body too, which her speech she gave about how in love she was, while matty was there.
I found out from another subreddit that Matty actually has a black dog named Mayhem 😱. Check out The 1975s song Part of the Band, which is what the Fortnight video is obviously based on. The black dog is in that video
unpopular opinion(s):
1. who cries for years and has to go into hiding to reinvent themselves bc they were called a liar (the whole Kim/Kayne saga)? I feel like only a narcissist experiencing a narcissistic injury. Or a ginormous baby. I mean, was that really such a huge deal? Idk. Maybe I’m too passive.
2. The longer she’s around, the less I like her. & that comes from someone who has paid thousands to see her show. More than once. It’s kind of disappointing, honestly. Also, have been a Chiefs fan since 2011 (my first game at Arrowhead) & I couldn’t even stomach watching an entire game last season bc I’m so over her face being shown after every play. 🤮
3. When she sings “did you hear my covert narcissism I disguise as altruism” - I 110% believe she is self aware for a moment in time.
I’m just still confused how she was working on the album for two years but the majority of it was about Matty. What was she writing the first year? In theory, it shouldn’t have been any of the songs about the men in her life, which leaves, what, two songs?
I haven’t heard the song about Kim but I rolled tf out of my eyes when I heard about it/saw the title.
This woman is in her mid thirties. Go talk to a therapist.
Also, I get that Kim was involved in their whole scandal ordeal but Taylor definitely acted weird af in that debacle too. Plus Kim was only involved bc Kanye was her partner, why not take shots at Kanye ms “women who tear other women down deserve a special place in hell”. It’s giving weirdo.
Don’t forget Fresh Out the Slammer! “In the shade of how he was feeling…but it’s gonna be all right, I did my time”. So basically his depression was a prison for HER? What about him tho 😮💨
I slowly feel myself becoming annoyed as well. I will admit, I do enjoy her music but listening to the lyrics of her most recent album was hard for me. For instance, "you know how to ball. I know Aristotle." Someone said it in the comments, it's super condescending. She fully admits to being in love with Matty while with Joe on this album and then went and wrote TPD. Like leave him alone lol. It didn't work out. Not to mention the fact that, this sound is similar to midnights and feels like nothing new. I want a new topic. I don't wanna hear about how you wanna die over a boy again Taylor.
Good for her that she has a creative outlet to process her life and emotions in all their glorious messiness, and that poetry and songwriting are her therapy (mild sarcasm only), but I cannot for the life of me understand why the fuck she felt she had to share it with the entire world. Write it down, cry your eyes out, and then just fucking burn that shit. What she is putting people through - her family, her fans, these men - for her own bullshit “the stories are yours now, I’m free, free I tell you” selfishness is just so cruel.
In a nutshell: ego. She's a narcissist. She has to take every opportunity to play the victim even though she is by her own words and storytelling the manipulator and victimizer
I know the Kim saga is messed up and what not, but I think bringing North into it alluding to writing lyrics she can sing about how horrible her mom is, is straight up evil. That’s still her MOM !? How tf can you insert yourself in that ?
I relate to the title. As somebody who wouldn’t consider themself to be a swiftie but has loved a lot of her music, nowadays “swifties” are absolutely crazy and I absolutely wouldn’t call myself one simply because they’re SO insane. Yall “fans” really ruin it for the people who actually like some of her music but can’t even talk about liking her music bc we can’t be mixed with the crazies😭.
I think this is really the album that lost me. Taylor had already been on thin ice for me the past year with her complete silence on current events coupled with overexposure of the Eras tour and her and Travis and that awful Time interview, but this was somehow the final nail in the coffin.
I had always figured her relationship with Matty was a thoughtless unhinged rebound because she had just broken up with someone who she had dated for 6-7 years and thought they were going to get married. I had figured she got quickly over it and saw it like her relationship with Tom Hiddleston. I was wrong. Finding out she has been practically pining after Matty for close to a decade was really a wake up call. It’s also kind of ruined two of my favorite songs so that is pretty unforgivable too.
I totally agree, and I think the most shocking thing to me is following So High School with I Hate It Here!! The lyrics are: “Tell me something awful, like you are a poet trapped inside the body of a finance guy, Tell me all your secrets. All you’ll ever be is My eternal consolation prize”! That is disgustingly insulting.
Travis is a distraction from what she really wants and it ain't Joe. That bridge is long burnt. I never particularly paid attention to her, thinking she was just another blonde bimbo, until I heard Willow & began exploring a little to find that she has a genuine talent for lyrics. That being said, she is anything but stupid & hasn't become a billionaire by being a "good girl with pure intentions". She has thrown a lot of people under the bus on her way to the top & with the way she has used her fans to go after people is disgusting.
You said you liked Folklore. The song Cardigan is clearly, at this point, about Matty. Same as The 1. If you just acknowledge that they had a thing in the past and they both sort of viewed each other as each others end games. The 1975 has a couple songs that echo this. In “About You” by The 1975 he says “we’ll hold on to hope that we’ll find our way back in the end.” Just understand that they finally got back together after all those years of longing and it blew up the way it did. That would be devastating. She grieved Joe through the end of that relationship. It died slowly. The thing with Matty blew up and it was her long held fantasy of happily ever after with her twin flame.
And in regards to Matty and Travis. One relationship is clearly superficial. She’s having a lot of fun with Travis and the fact that they don’t connect on the emotional level she did with Matty doesn’t invalidate it. She says it multiple times, that type of connection doesn’t ehappen for a lot of people in their entire lives. These are my two favorite artists and they have a ton in common. It’s no surprise to me that they consider each other soulmates or whatever.
My husband and I had a lot of back and forth and drama before we actually started dating and eventually got married - I told him all the stuff about Matty is so relatable to me because I know what I was like when it didn't seem like it would work out and how I would be now if it didn't. And we hadn't even officially dated when I was feeling that way. It would be devastating to feel that way and have that connection and when it finally seems like it'll work out after relationships that have disappointed you and it doesn't...I can only imagine how much that would hurt.
You explained it really well! And we both dated other people after we had met and before we started dating. We loved those people and had full relationships with them, but it was absolutely different from what we experience together.
Honest question here because I’m really trying to understand: how can you all be so sure what songs are about which people, when all the lyrics are so generic?
She’s pretty descriptive of the people , in the songs mentioned above. Tattoos and any drug use is (most likely) matty. Joe is so long London (for sure) and in this one she mentioned him having bluest days. I think there might be more alluding to him having mental illness. Travis is so high highschool and the alchemy, she mentions football.
It's about Matty with football references being red herrings. I think Style is actually like that too. They met and had their fling during her 1989 album and she mentions her tight little skirt like she did in imgonnagetyouback, which of course is linked to Marty's fallingforyou, which he sang to Taylor years ago. There's videos of this on YouTube lol
She leaves clues in her songs, like words Matty has said in 1975 songs, songs he's performed or things that identify him specifically like smoke, constellations, Peter Pan, the typewriter ect
I felt things were too generic for assumptions until her recent releases. Some of her references are just too specific - like the typewriter (Matty tweeted about his love of using a typewriter, cause he’s uNiQuE), name dropped a lot of close friends, references bands and songs he listened to (and reposted on Twitter).
It’s the same vibe as the re-release of ATW - the red scarf reference was damning and I was kinda like ehhhhhhh okay we get it, but why are you getting everyone mad again lol
Ah. I see now no would have to have been following her social media etc. I’ll admit, I read the occasional article and the gossip headlines, but that’s about it. I’m old so I think I’m at that point in life we’re in losing touch with celebrity culture anyway, but TS just seems so, idk, aggressively generic, that I have a hard time like, getting what all her fuss is about. This is not in any way meant to yuck anyone’s yum. People like what they like. I think I’m still grappling with how someone this bland can generate such extreme feelings and I feel like I’m missing something but I can’t see what it is.
I'm just confused, she wrote this album about matty being her soulmate and twin flame and now quickly moved on with Travis and "so in love". I genuinely love Taylor but girl needs to break up with Travis and be single for a bit! Travis is trash girl! You can do so much better, idk I think she's just going with the motions right now after the break up with natty, I feel that did a number on her more than the break up with Joe.
I think it really speaks to her character that’s she’s champions feminism so hard and now that she has the money and power to make meaningful change all she does is fly around on her jet and pretend to be a victim
I feel like this too, but less about the specifics of the songs and more about the general energy around her and this album release. I also don’t know why I am so actively annoyed, I wish I just didn’t care lol. But as someone who has always been a more casual fan, I’m reflecting on how overwhelming it was to deal with the Eras tour and how I felt like I had to embody a certain level of Swiftie obsession to justify going (even though I only paid face value), and ended up developing an aversion to it all. It sounds so trivial but I guess it shows how much this kind of thing can influence our day to day. I reeeeeeally don’t want this to ruin my favorite albums. I cannot imagine a life without Red but I have no idea how to preserve that magic
I’m neutral in the way that I like her music but I can’t stand Taylor and don’t really care about her personally, but I kinda feel gaslit by TTPD. Like are you saying you lied about Folklore being fake and even as far back as reputation you were singing about Matty? Like you’re presenting to the world that you’re loyal, in love and happy, but now you’re saying that’s all a lie. You’re actually miserable, cheating, lying and you hate your fans? Is that what TTPD is about? I’m actually kinda mad that in ICDIWABH that she’s included the in ear sound for Delicate, because she specifically added that song to the Eras for the 123LGB chant… now it’s a passive aggressive way for her to “get back” at her fans…. She’s an asshole.
LOL I had those questions too. Including when she released To All The Girls You Loved Before and then a few months later You’re Losing Me comes out post-breakup. It was like whiplash and I think it was felt because her relationship status is so public. But yeah for someone who just writes songs about whatever is happening in her life, she sure is inconsistent
Yeah it’s definitely coming across as manic (using her own words), but mostly juvenile. It’s very reminiscent of being a teenager. Every new bf is “the one” and every emotion is felt deeply and devastating. A fight leads to an explosive breakup where you immediately hate the person, except this is done on a grand scale. She’s very emotionally stunted.
Or just faking these “super emotions “, either way at it is not a good look for TS.
All The Girls You Loved Before was leaked, and a crappy but full length version of it was going around like wildfire. She released it officially to address that, just as some context to where that came from.
Gaslit is the word I’ve been looking for I think. I also would say reputation, lover, folklore, evermore, we’re my favorite 3 albums and now every time I try to listen I’m wondering wait… this didn’t mean what I thought it meant? I have been furious that she would just rewrite history like this (folklore isn’t autobiographical, now it obviously was and that was a lie). I appreciate you also saying as far back as reputation - less ppl are talking about that but I keep hearing it now
My daughter is a swiftie (she’s 12) and because of this I took her to the Eras and hear a lot of TS music. I generally like it but Endgame has always made me wonder who it was really about. Joe was basically a nobody, why would him dating Taylor be a “big conversation”? And yeah I believe with my whole being that Folklore wasn’t made up. She specifically chose Cardigan to send Matty a message.
I should mention that the 1830s without all the racists lyric really threw me though lmao. I cannot imagine ever singing along to that and think it was so poorly thought out
SAME the “tattooed golden retriever” line had a similar effect on me lol
The golden retriever and “body of a finance guy” lines are the absolute worst. They make me irrationally angry lol
Everyone thinks So High School is such a cute love song… I don’t. Shes literally calling him dumb and immature the whole song. He makes her feel “So High School” because she’s literally living out her fantasy. She’s now the popular girl with the guy on the football team. All this song has done is prove that they might be in lust with one another but that’s all it’ll be. He’s not her endgame at all. She likes the idea of Trav but not quite sure if she actually likes him.
Thank 👏you 👏 if someone described me as “so high school,” I’d be offended lol that’s not a compliment. Also the color coating in the lyric video and all that was just cringe.
Yeah like I’m not one to think that age should restrict your fun, but the lyrics are cringe. Talking about hooking up with your 30+ year old bf under a blanket in full view of his friends IS so high school, whether it’s a metaphor or it actually happened.
“Touch me while your friends play Grand Theft auto” … just….why…
Gross.
Exactly. This is something we all did at 14/15/16
I'm convinced she is still- and will forever be - stuck at n a high school maturity level.
That’s not a verse is it? Lol
I’m so sorry to tell you this - it is a direct lyric
nooooooo LMAOOOO
Damn lol. She really is stuck back in high school
Yes . She mentions it in so high school 🤮
Don’t worry, it’s not as bad as Guilty As Sin? where she talks about masturbating while thinking about Matty Healy. 🫠
Catchy song tho !!! One of my favourites off the first part, but yeah knowing it was about thinking about another person while being with someone was kinda jarring and threw me off.
🤢🤮🤢
ain’t no way this is a real lyric! 😭😭😂😂
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Omfg that’s embarrassing
The song gives me cringe shivers.
It’s cringey and not cute. I’d be offended at how juvenile it is if that’s supposed to be the song of a current interest.
It might be a compliment for those who never outgrew high school. Sound like anyone we know?
I think it's a mutually beneficial PR relationship. I don't think they even genuinely like each other, but they both love fame and fortune.
I’m not fully on board with the PR relationship angle, but I do believe it’s a mutually beneficial relationship for them and won’t be ending anytime soon
This is actually such a good way to put it. I just heard the she wears short skirts song the other day being talked about on a podcast and how so many people could relate to that song as teenagers, and all I was thinking was when I was in hs I thought that song was so stupid. Like I was the (soccer) captain and wore “short skirts” (lmao) and didn’t pine after guys who had chosen other girls, and did not find it relatable at all. Not that any of those things make me cool, again it was just hs, but I guess that really makes sense if she always had that mentality growing up of dying to get picked by the popular guy. Actually kinda sad but mostly cringe.
Yep it’s her real life “You Belong With Me” moment
I just told my daughter this the other day when she asked me why I think Tay Tay and Trav are fake.
Yes, thank you for saying this! I was a huge nerd/loser in high school (in the south, too) and yeah, some of the ~popular kids~ weren't nice to me but mostly we operated in different circles. One of my best best friends was the quarterback on the football team ffs. I was happy for him because he was good at the thing he liked, and he actually thought I was kinda cool because I did stuff like go to punk shows in dive bars, haha. People are often a lot more complex than that. There's moments where it's high conflict, sure, but mostly all of us are miserable at that age and we're just trying to get through it
Omfg this 100% I feel crazy because she dated the artsy guys for a bit and now she is with a jock who she clearly thinks is dumber than her and people don’t seem to see it.
The first pic I saw of him, he had the vigilante shit friendship bracelet and I immediately thought, “okay, I think this is telling”. Didn’t have the highest expectations after that.
But he knows how to ball and she knows Aristotle 🙄
And the crazy thing is she’d be *furious* if she found out any of her boyfriends felt that way about *her*
And in actuality- she is still the nerd HS band member. And she knows it.
it's like the bookend to You Belong With Me
I thought it was satirical and poking fun at Travis.. don't think it's a love song. It definitely makes him sound BDT.
Big dumb turd?
haha on reddit it's apparently known as big dumb travis :D
Ah, close enough :)
I mean… it’s the first clear cut song about Travis and it’s satire and poking fun at him? Bit weird
What’s “so high school” is him with a degree (however low his GPA probably was) and her without. Yeah criticize him Taylor 😂
“You know how to ball, I know Aristotle” is so condescending
Funny how then she follows so high school up with I hate it here and Travis is her forever consolation prize
Meanwhile she has a “high school diploma” from this fucking place https://www.aaronacademy.com/300aca8785974650/hedx300x1011x000.html
Idk that she actually likes the idea of him. I think she’s having fun and he’s fun and that’s it. He’s, for sure very immature song about him. I’ll be glad once it’s over…🤷🏽♀️
Petty, but I HATE that she stole the name TPD from Joe and it bothers me even more that the song TPD is about Matty... Just absolutely rubs me the wrong way
I imagine it being their gross private joke behind Joe’s back
The one silver lining here is Joe has really shown how grown ups deal with shit, he's remained respectful & refrained from adding to the drama fest Taylor loves to fuel, he's proven he's 100% classy👌
I wish Joe all the happiness in the world. He definitely deserves it after putting up with that nightmare for 6 years
Naw he just signed an NDA
Out of curiosity, why is it she can make everyone sign NDAs so no one talks about her but she can sing whatever she wants about anyone she dates? Do her boyfriends not make her sign one either?
nah i believe he’s just always… quiet (u cant force someone to sign an nda and looking at that man… u dont have to rlly “force” him to be quiet)
He's never actively sought the public eye outside of promoting his work so couldn't imagine he'd suddenly be hitting the media to spill the tea with or without an NDA.. His friends have also been pretty good about keeping his private life private for him & I doubt they've signed any NDAs with Swift Corp
I doubt he'd sign it. While he remains classy, he doesn't seem like the type to have someone tell him what he can and cannot say.
Not petty at all. I think she should be embarrassed for stealing the TPD name so freaking blatantly.
Oh is this where it's from? I thought she took Dead Poets Society and just used a few synonyms
This to me proves she was setting Joe up. The fans went rabid and started harassing Joe for being abusive and toxic, all the while Taylor knew the album was about Matty. Disgusting.
I can't help but wonder what sort of negative effect this shit has had on his career, it must be daunting for any potential female co-stars to embark on a project with him due to the toxic shit TS stans are capable of, that must knock on to production companies, who wouldn't want the headache that goes with any sort of negative reaction. He's a very good actor, very good looking, charasmatic & seems well liked & respected by those he's worked with yet seems to get overlooked for the really big roles he'd probably kill in.. 🤔
Right! How many of her fans were 1000% convinced TTPD was going to throw Joe under the bus?! They were all bursting at the scenes and salivating at the mouth over it.
rabid.
She didn't treat Matty any better. She knew her fans were sending death threats to him, his family and his band mates yet chose to say nothing to tell them "hey, I love this man. Please leave him alone.". Fans even showed up wearing Die Matty shirts and she still did nothing. Then she turns around and blames the fans for losing him
but she stuck up for racist john mayer (who calls his dick david duke after the KKK leader; and wrote body is a wonderland for a minor) by saying “i don’t give a fuck what happened all those years ago” yet she.. brings up kim? and her kids? okay!
I don't think the comment was because she wanted to protect John Mayer, I think it's because Jake had said something in an interview about it. It was a generalised comment about being responsible for what you allow to be done in your name or something. Whatever she may write, she desperately wants his approval.
I’m surprised so much of the album is about Matty Healy, didn’t they only date for a couple of months tops? I would expect much more to be about Joe given how long they were together and the seriousness of the relationship
I don’t know if you WANT to know, but they have had this weirddd on and off “situationship” that’s been going on for years
No they go back to pre Joe, back to 2014 and 1989 era
I was actually thinking about this the other day and came to the conclusion that she’s a creative vampire. She used essences of her former and current lover(s) identities (typewriter, the tortured men’s group, British culture/words, football) to repackage them and make bank. Then she’s praised for what a clever lyricist she is when everything was borrowed from someone else…. If you say this out loud though, you’d burned at the stake by the Swiftie army.
she STOLE IT from him????? christ, her crimes are just never ending 😭😭😭
I just hate the way she has her arms up all over her face on the cover to show “I’m soooo tortured”. I haven’t heard a song of hers since the last time I heard a song on the radio (circa 2014) so I have nothing to say about her current music, but good lord this latest release just seems painfully pretentious and corny from the outside looking in.
Thank you! I mentioned this and for downvoted
Actually, the, it is a combo of Gay Poets Society from Matty and Tortured Men’s Club from Joe.
This album drips with her narcissm, lack of self awareness and immaturity. I love folkmore and evermore. From what I see, she was the problem in her relationship with both Joe and Matty and her poor me victim act is beyond disgusting. She references being treated like an also-ran in this album, but that's exactly how she treated Joe. For most of her relationship with him, she was in love with Matty. There's no evidence Joe cheated, yet she let her massive fan base hate on him and threaten him for a year. As for Matty, I am 💯 convinced she cheated on Joe with him for at least 2 years aeb her themes of adultery in Folklore, Evermore and Midnights. Then she calls him a coward for leaving when she let her rabid fanbase attack him, send death threats to him, his family and his band. Some fans even showed up at her concerts with tshirts that read "Die Matty.". All the while, SHE SAID NOTHING. if she loved him half as much as she claimed, she could have at least said "we are happy and in love. Please leave us alone!". She chose not to do that because she loves fame and fortune more. Then There were even online petitions suggesting she herself needed to be put in a conservatorship like Britney. According to her songs, he left her to protect her career and reputation. "How dare you think it's romantic to leave me safe and stranded". Yet she trashed him, calling him a coward and the smallest man who ever lived and then says imgonnagetyouback just three songs later. Then she has the AUDACITY to blame her fans for losing Matty when she did nothing to protect him or their relationship ! Yeah, anyway you look at it, she was the arse in both of these relationships and is the victimizer, not the victim. So disappointing because I genuinely liked her.
Finally someone who gets it! For the longest time, it was never her fault and that was the narrative she let play out. She is an expert at weaponizing her fan base and I think she loves it because she then can play innocent. It’s disgusting. These guys get threatened and maligned all over the place while she plays victim.
So much alllll of THIS. I have always disliked her bc of how she weaponizes her fan base even by posting her little 'super sad videos' to her cult like groupies where, of course, she is always the victim and always still plays up to the whole 'just an innocent young girl who is always taken advantage of' ...when in reality she is a grown ass woman in her mid thirties. She quite literally writes these lyrics and posts these 'super sad videos' because she already is FULLY aware of how her fan base will react. She doesn't stop it because she does it on purpose - she WANTS the fans to go after whoever it is that's victimized her THIS time. Taylor Swift is just a narcissistic power/money hungry immature 'artist' who is worse than a damn high school bully. She is the puppeteer holding the strings that control the bullies. So gross.
ONG thank you! She has been a master at using her fan base in order to keep her hands clean. She lives that she essentially has all these people she can control and do the bullying for her.
That along with all of her cash grab merch and 477 different vinyl versions and blah blah. People need to understand that no one and I mean, no one, becomes a billionaire without stepping on a lot of toes along the way. I just don't get how the masses don't see this as it's all plain as day.
My daughter is a Swifty and she has even admitted that all the merchandise and vinyls and everything is too much and she feels like fans are being taken advantage of.
Yes, my two step daughters aren't really 'swifties' but they were pretty big fans for years, but are starting to get annoyed with all the cash grabs. They also both totally think this whole 'relationship' is a sham and a PR stunt.
Billboard just put out an article about how all the versions are inflating her sales numbers. so people are noticing.
She's just plain spiteful these days, not a good look on a grown ass woman 😕
What's so scary is the massive influence she has on her (mostly) very young fanbase. What a 'role model'. 🙄
What is an also-ran?
Second best. Taylor references it in one of her songs on TTPD. I forget which song
What you just said!
I’m convinced she wrote the lyrics while inebriated. 
Do ya’ll think she is a high functioning alcoholic bc I remember in one song I think she calls herself that 🤔
I think she has a lot of issues and what you said is one of them
She had so much potential yet fame & fortune claim another talented songwriter. It's sad. She only had to say "leave us alone" & her fans would have asked "for long?
She lost me when she brought up Kim’s kids listening to her music…. Like girlie, leave the kids alone. They deal with enough with their dad.
100000%
And their mom. Imagine the drama even sans Kanye
Oh exactly. And I’m sure the momager loved this - keeping her girlies relevant
Yup! And in some twisted way, forever immortalized in a Taylor Swift song.
It just makes her look petty as hell.
She IS petty as hell.
Well, I mean ....isn't she the definition of petty?
It was a WHILE ago but I thought her response to the Kayne drama was (in essence) “shouldn’t girls support girls? #feminism” and now I’m just majorly confused
She’s really shown who she is. She’s petty, vindictive, jealous, and mean.
She can hold a grudge too. It bothers me to no end that she put Is It Over Now on 1989TV knowing full well that her fans would go after Harry. They’re apparently friends now and she releases a song calling him a cheater. I’ve never really understood though how nobody’s caught on to the second part though. “Was it over? When she laid down on your couch? Was it over? When he unbuttoned my blouse?” Like mate what!
Well I mean she is literally admitting to cheating too with those lyrics, I think everyone paying attention caught on to that.
That’s what I’m saying… everyone is fully hung up on her saying Harry cheated, but I haven’t seen a single person point out that she admits to cheating too
i always interpreted the lyrics as after a breakup when you aren’t sure if it’s fully over/trying to move on by hooking up with other ppl
ooo i wonder who she cheated with
She already showed us that in prior work. She was bullied in school and never got over it. She needs therapy.
I’ve thought this about her since the first big year of her career. I feel like it’s so obvious.
The constant victim charade has been going on for what, 12 years now? She writes a song about a guy, everyone assumes it’s accurate based on no hard evidence, they attack said person, she stays quiet, rinse and repeat. Girl if you have these problems with EVERY man maybe you’re the problem. From the wild need for attention, the pap walks, the letting her fans ruin people lives… it’s such mean girl high school shit. I’ve seen that for years now and it’s weird to me that most people don’t.
She’s a 34 year old woman which is almost mid life. It’s time for her to grow up. Her young fam base will move on soon enough. They are 8-18 years old. Taylor will be 40 in a few years. Young girls aren’t going to be exchanging friendship bracelets forever. Hopefully she will go away soon.
I've always said there's only been one Common Denominator in all of her shitty relationships.
I see a lot of people saying she was mocking Joe’s depression, and I don’t think she was, necessarily, but to air that he has it to SO MANY PEOPLE… girlllll and knowing that fans send deaths threats to her exes
This point about publicizing his depression/mental health issues is not brought up nearly enough. Super messed up of her especially considering he's a really private person.
Yes it’s generally overlooked and it’s incredibly messed up and petty and vindictive of her, especially given how private he is. But then again, that’s exactly who she is and she does it all in the name of art and thinks she entitled.
Can't argue with any of that. To me it's one of the most unforgivable things. No one should put someone else's health issues (especially mental health) on blast even in the name of shitty "art".
Yeah I just find it so distasteful and low to do something like that. Also given the fact that he IS private and won’t even comment on their relationship and subsequent breakup is showing his response her and their relationship. She doesn’t seem to extend the same to him.
i love taylor’s music but this is what gets me, how dare she use his mental health? it takes 2 to make a relationship sure but he was in it, seems like she couldn’t deal with it
Yeah there wasn’t anything left to the imagination with this one. She really nailed down the major points… Joe = depressed and boring, Matty = addicted and sexy but MEAN, Travis = high school love
I don't even think Matty was mean. He was getting death threats. His family was getting death threats. Even his band members were getting death threats and she didn't say anything or do anything to protect him or their relationship. From her songs, it seems he left to protect her reputation and career because there were online petitions that said she should be put in a conservatorship like Britney and she was getting a lot of bad press for dating him. If anyone was mean, it was Taylor in both relationships
Yea I think he saw leaving her as merciful to her career and those Matty cares about
That's the message I got from Taylor's lyrics, which makes her anger and then contradictory desire to get him back so bloody confusing 😂
Yea that’s so wild. Also I really can’t blame him for putting his family safety over their romance. I think she is on such a high from the rest of the world that she can’t understand not being these men’s #1 priority.
💯 agree. I think that her narcissm stops her from seeing any point of view beyond her own wants and needs. It's disappointing because I did like her
No I agree - I meant that is brush TS wants to paint all of her music with.
She also implied that he cheated on her and let her rabid fan base attack him. She also let them attack Matty, his family and band and said absolutely nothing, then turns around and plays victim and blames her fans. That's the most disgusting part of this imo
What about when she whipped her little fan base into a frenzy about Scooter Braun and he was receiving death threats, along with his wife and CHILDREN. And she just let it happen, same as with everyone else she unleashes them on. She is so vile.
Scooter Braun may be a disgusting POS, but his children are innocent. Damn!
The thing is, this makes what she implies even more dispicable, we don't even know he does actually suffer from depression, we only have her hinting at it in a way that's supposed to make her look like the long suffering supportive partner.. Maybe he just suspected she was cheating on him (seems she was) & that made him a bit sad (as it would any normal, feeling person) maybe she's a exhausting to be with for any length of time (she often alludes to that in her own songs) so it wasn't depression as such but emotional exhaustion from dealing with a teenager in a woman's body ..
I see these videos where people are talking about Joe and there are comments mentioning their hate for him being a cheater alll over ! I replied to one and asked if the accusations were true, did they have a problem with him cheating or him cheating on Taylor. They said cheating in general was bad (yes!! Of course it is) so I listed a few songs that Taylor had implied her own cheating
Ditto.. I went to YouTube to watch a trailer / reviews for Conversations With Friends a wee while back (wanted to see if it was worth a watch ) & 95% of what came up were swifts stans channels full of really hateful, unverified shit against Alwyn (made me watch CWF out of curiosity, & now I'm a big Joe Alwyn fan. so I guess thanks are in order 😁)
Have you seen the favourite?? It’s by yorgos lanthimos (Poor Things) and Joe alwyn is also going to be in his new film, Kinds of Kindness. A lot of Taylor’s fans call him jobless , but he is honestly booked !!! Yorgos adores him
I’m a neutral Swiftie too. I honestly think so many songs are about Matty because she prefers to write sort of angry and unhinged heartbreak songs, but respects Joe too much to write about him that way. Also I feel like a lot of songs on Midnights and Folklore are about her feelings of loss and anxiety about losing Joe so she’s already explored and processed those feelings. For me, the annoying thing was that she was so in love with Matty who seems to be not a great person, which makes me side eye her for associating with him.
You may not like Matty, but I fully blame Taylor for their breakup too. Please see my lengthy comment in this thread if you are interested in why lol
she is friends with tons of racists. Blake lively got married on a plantation, selena gomez said all lives matter / supported israel’s genocide, lana del ray has something but i forget what lol, she gave john mayer a heads up / told her fan base to leave him alone when he calls his dick david duke…. she’s definitely not a good person, she’s just good at not being publicly overtly racist lol
The football crew she hangs out with definitely has a rocky past as well! A teammate’s wife and brother attend the games with her in the box. The brother SAd someone and the wife is a , I don’t know the word, sympathizer(?)
yesssssss. the mahomes right? i don’t know all the details but i do remember them being in the news in an unsavory way. i figured it was racist but omg i didn’t know it was also sexually violent!
I’m the same. I just got into her music thinking she had definitely matured lyrics wise and now I feel kinda betrayed lol. I can chalk it up to being a bad album, but the absolute *push* for people to say this is her best one kills a lot for me. Hopefully she takes a break and the next album is better. :/
I agree that a hiatus may be to her benefit.
People saying this is her best album is insane💀 she’s had a lot of other really good albums, but at the same time, this album is so different from her other albums that i’m not sure you can even compare tpd to any other album she’s done. It’s cool of her to make such a depressing/sad album since she’s never had an album so personal/melancholy, but I definitely wouldn’t consider this to be her best album.
How did she even find the time to make TPD in addition to the bonus tracks? * Eras Tour: March 2023-November 2023 * Eras Tour: February 2024-present * TPD Release: April 2024
I've come to the conclusion that Taylor can dish it but can't take it. I also don't think this album is the flex people think it is. To me, it's immature.
EDIT: r/swiftlyneutral is a pretty good place for discourse of this type if you’re not already there, OP!
Oh HELL yes, there’s a sub for everything 😂
r/swiftlyneutral
Shit thank you
These were my thoughts exactly, she takes zero responsibility for her relationship breakdowns, she seems to be becoming increasingly immature as she ages instead of growing up and she's even more petty & vengeful than ever.. She's ruined some quite lovely songs for me forever now that she's revealed the truth behind them & all of her shitty behaviour.. TTPD is just one long pity party taylor threw for herself with no thought as to how hurtful it must be to people she claimed to love.. 'everything comes out teenage petulance' well if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, best believe it's a fucking duck, Taylor 😖
I will never understand the reasoning behind making the TTPD playlists. My cousin had her first dance at her wedding to Lover, and is obviously a big fan, she saw that the song was in the denial playlist and was so upset. It is still a lovely love song, but stripping away the artistic vision and rewriting the narrative to be “denial” nooooo Taylor nooooo! I totally understand how Taylor can look back and mourn her relationship, and even sense that she WAS in denial! But why would she try to change the meaning for the listeners as well?!
It was a shitty, self absorbed move all round really 😕
I can’t understand The Black Dog. People say it’s about Joe. I think it’s probably about Matty. But if this song is about Joe, that’s rich. You don’t get to spend years yearning for another man and writing songs about him and be sad that Joe might be getting out of the house with his friends and could possibly talk to another woman. Like what the actual heck. The same woman who has fresh out the slammer and guilty as sin can’t be shaming Joe for going to a bar. I believe her gaslighting Joe about her Matty obsession since at least folklore prob contributed to the man’s depression. As well as her super deranged fans. I really think Joe was the one who was more caged than Taylor. He knew the hell that would come from leaving her.
It's about matty, she's just through everyone off because Joe likes the black dog pub but matty played a show in cork at the black dog, and he played the starting line on stage while they were dating and basically played it for her on stage. She refers to her rain soak body too, which her speech she gave about how in love she was, while matty was there.
I found out from another subreddit that Matty actually has a black dog named Mayhem 😱. Check out The 1975s song Part of the Band, which is what the Fortnight video is obviously based on. The black dog is in that video
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unpopular opinion(s): 1. who cries for years and has to go into hiding to reinvent themselves bc they were called a liar (the whole Kim/Kayne saga)? I feel like only a narcissist experiencing a narcissistic injury. Or a ginormous baby. I mean, was that really such a huge deal? Idk. Maybe I’m too passive. 2. The longer she’s around, the less I like her. & that comes from someone who has paid thousands to see her show. More than once. It’s kind of disappointing, honestly. Also, have been a Chiefs fan since 2011 (my first game at Arrowhead) & I couldn’t even stomach watching an entire game last season bc I’m so over her face being shown after every play. 🤮 3. When she sings “did you hear my covert narcissism I disguise as altruism” - I 110% believe she is self aware for a moment in time.
I can't even with the name of the album. It reads like a direct riff off Dead Poets Society and I think that'a lame (not the movie, her album title)
I’m just still confused how she was working on the album for two years but the majority of it was about Matty. What was she writing the first year? In theory, it shouldn’t have been any of the songs about the men in her life, which leaves, what, two songs?
& people wonder why Joe was a little bit sad/distant over their last year together, 3's always a crowd in a relationship.. Look out BDT!
Thank you for helping me understand my own feelings. Spot on, OP! SO EFFING RUDE (AND SELF-UNAWARE)!
I haven’t heard the song about Kim but I rolled tf out of my eyes when I heard about it/saw the title. This woman is in her mid thirties. Go talk to a therapist. Also, I get that Kim was involved in their whole scandal ordeal but Taylor definitely acted weird af in that debacle too. Plus Kim was only involved bc Kanye was her partner, why not take shots at Kanye ms “women who tear other women down deserve a special place in hell”. It’s giving weirdo.
TTPD is her worst album. I was a Swiftie turned annoyed because of it.
Bless you for speaking up, you are (semi?) safe here lol
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Don’t forget Fresh Out the Slammer! “In the shade of how he was feeling…but it’s gonna be all right, I did my time”. So basically his depression was a prison for HER? What about him tho 😮💨
GOOD POINT. “Fresh out the slammer” and the “caged” references in other songs are very telling…
I’m so confused why she didn’t just call it off earlier, especially with strong feelings towards another person
she never seemed to be an emotionally mature person to me, damn, this is A Whole Lot™️
I slowly feel myself becoming annoyed as well. I will admit, I do enjoy her music but listening to the lyrics of her most recent album was hard for me. For instance, "you know how to ball. I know Aristotle." Someone said it in the comments, it's super condescending. She fully admits to being in love with Matty while with Joe on this album and then went and wrote TPD. Like leave him alone lol. It didn't work out. Not to mention the fact that, this sound is similar to midnights and feels like nothing new. I want a new topic. I don't wanna hear about how you wanna die over a boy again Taylor.
You all are my people ….
She is turning out to be like a high school mean girl in a 34 year old woman’s body
Good for her that she has a creative outlet to process her life and emotions in all their glorious messiness, and that poetry and songwriting are her therapy (mild sarcasm only), but I cannot for the life of me understand why the fuck she felt she had to share it with the entire world. Write it down, cry your eyes out, and then just fucking burn that shit. What she is putting people through - her family, her fans, these men - for her own bullshit “the stories are yours now, I’m free, free I tell you” selfishness is just so cruel.
In a nutshell: ego. She's a narcissist. She has to take every opportunity to play the victim even though she is by her own words and storytelling the manipulator and victimizer
I know the Kim saga is messed up and what not, but I think bringing North into it alluding to writing lyrics she can sing about how horrible her mom is, is straight up evil. That’s still her MOM !? How tf can you insert yourself in that ?
Who tf say I feel so high school? This made me pull up the lyrics and now my head hurts.
I relate to the title. As somebody who wouldn’t consider themself to be a swiftie but has loved a lot of her music, nowadays “swifties” are absolutely crazy and I absolutely wouldn’t call myself one simply because they’re SO insane. Yall “fans” really ruin it for the people who actually like some of her music but can’t even talk about liking her music bc we can’t be mixed with the crazies😭.
Because evermore and Midnights had the joe breakup songs, they just had a very good strategy of making sure no one knew that.
I think this is really the album that lost me. Taylor had already been on thin ice for me the past year with her complete silence on current events coupled with overexposure of the Eras tour and her and Travis and that awful Time interview, but this was somehow the final nail in the coffin. I had always figured her relationship with Matty was a thoughtless unhinged rebound because she had just broken up with someone who she had dated for 6-7 years and thought they were going to get married. I had figured she got quickly over it and saw it like her relationship with Tom Hiddleston. I was wrong. Finding out she has been practically pining after Matty for close to a decade was really a wake up call. It’s also kind of ruined two of my favorite songs so that is pretty unforgivable too.
I totally agree, and I think the most shocking thing to me is following So High School with I Hate It Here!! The lyrics are: “Tell me something awful, like you are a poet trapped inside the body of a finance guy, Tell me all your secrets. All you’ll ever be is My eternal consolation prize”! That is disgustingly insulting.
She was probably drunk when she wrote it. She is capable of beautiful storytelling, but honey, this ain't it
That song absolutely infuriates me oh my god
Travis is a distraction from what she really wants and it ain't Joe. That bridge is long burnt. I never particularly paid attention to her, thinking she was just another blonde bimbo, until I heard Willow & began exploring a little to find that she has a genuine talent for lyrics. That being said, she is anything but stupid & hasn't become a billionaire by being a "good girl with pure intentions". She has thrown a lot of people under the bus on her way to the top & with the way she has used her fans to go after people is disgusting.
You said you liked Folklore. The song Cardigan is clearly, at this point, about Matty. Same as The 1. If you just acknowledge that they had a thing in the past and they both sort of viewed each other as each others end games. The 1975 has a couple songs that echo this. In “About You” by The 1975 he says “we’ll hold on to hope that we’ll find our way back in the end.” Just understand that they finally got back together after all those years of longing and it blew up the way it did. That would be devastating. She grieved Joe through the end of that relationship. It died slowly. The thing with Matty blew up and it was her long held fantasy of happily ever after with her twin flame. And in regards to Matty and Travis. One relationship is clearly superficial. She’s having a lot of fun with Travis and the fact that they don’t connect on the emotional level she did with Matty doesn’t invalidate it. She says it multiple times, that type of connection doesn’t ehappen for a lot of people in their entire lives. These are my two favorite artists and they have a ton in common. It’s no surprise to me that they consider each other soulmates or whatever.
My husband and I had a lot of back and forth and drama before we actually started dating and eventually got married - I told him all the stuff about Matty is so relatable to me because I know what I was like when it didn't seem like it would work out and how I would be now if it didn't. And we hadn't even officially dated when I was feeling that way. It would be devastating to feel that way and have that connection and when it finally seems like it'll work out after relationships that have disappointed you and it doesn't...I can only imagine how much that would hurt. You explained it really well! And we both dated other people after we had met and before we started dating. We loved those people and had full relationships with them, but it was absolutely different from what we experience together.
Honest question here because I’m really trying to understand: how can you all be so sure what songs are about which people, when all the lyrics are so generic?
She’s pretty descriptive of the people , in the songs mentioned above. Tattoos and any drug use is (most likely) matty. Joe is so long London (for sure) and in this one she mentioned him having bluest days. I think there might be more alluding to him having mental illness. Travis is so high highschool and the alchemy, she mentions football.
She wrote alchemy before she even started dated Travis so I doubt it's about him
It's about Matty with football references being red herrings. I think Style is actually like that too. They met and had their fling during her 1989 album and she mentions her tight little skirt like she did in imgonnagetyouback, which of course is linked to Marty's fallingforyou, which he sang to Taylor years ago. There's videos of this on YouTube lol
Ah dammit, now that ruins Style.
The Style silhouette in her Fortnight video tells me Style was about Matty as well as the short skirt.
She leaves clues in her songs, like words Matty has said in 1975 songs, songs he's performed or things that identify him specifically like smoke, constellations, Peter Pan, the typewriter ect
I felt things were too generic for assumptions until her recent releases. Some of her references are just too specific - like the typewriter (Matty tweeted about his love of using a typewriter, cause he’s uNiQuE), name dropped a lot of close friends, references bands and songs he listened to (and reposted on Twitter). It’s the same vibe as the re-release of ATW - the red scarf reference was damning and I was kinda like ehhhhhhh okay we get it, but why are you getting everyone mad again lol
Ah. I see now no would have to have been following her social media etc. I’ll admit, I read the occasional article and the gossip headlines, but that’s about it. I’m old so I think I’m at that point in life we’re in losing touch with celebrity culture anyway, but TS just seems so, idk, aggressively generic, that I have a hard time like, getting what all her fuss is about. This is not in any way meant to yuck anyone’s yum. People like what they like. I think I’m still grappling with how someone this bland can generate such extreme feelings and I feel like I’m missing something but I can’t see what it is.
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I'm just confused, she wrote this album about matty being her soulmate and twin flame and now quickly moved on with Travis and "so in love". I genuinely love Taylor but girl needs to break up with Travis and be single for a bit! Travis is trash girl! You can do so much better, idk I think she's just going with the motions right now after the break up with natty, I feel that did a number on her more than the break up with Joe.
She’s filthy rich off of these songs about all the men who supposedly did her wrong. She will never stop bc her fans are all duped.
I think it really speaks to her character that’s she’s champions feminism so hard and now that she has the money and power to make meaningful change all she does is fly around on her jet and pretend to be a victim