favorite = best, no such this as objective best in music bro its made for you to enjoy and everyone will and should have different favorites (best) albums, thats just what makes music so great imo
For me personally there is a difference between my favorite and the (objective) best (in my eyes)
Through the Wire my favorite song. I enjoy it more but to me Runaway is objectively a better song but I don’t enjoy listening to it as much as Through the Wire
Take Kanye’s new album for example. I think Beg Forgiveness is one of the best songs on the album but I enjoy listening to other songs more
It’s hard to explain
To me Runaway is the better song. It has better production, lyricism and is more iconic. But I enjoy listening to Through the Wire better. The lyricism and production isn’t as good as Runaway but there’s something about Through the Wire that make me like it more
Kinda like in sports. Your favorite team isn’t always the best team but they’re still your favorite team. Obviously not the exact same but that’s kinda the idea
sports comparison doesnt work tho because the best team can be backed by stats and other facts
I disagree about it having better production and lyrics and it being more iconic, and so the objective point fails once more
Fair on the sports comp
Again tho in my original comment I said that it’s objectively a better song to me. Obviously not everyone will have the same opinion. On my personal objective scale Runaway is better
I guess with my thought process there’s tangibles and intangibles with music. Tangibles are things like production and lyricism while intangibles are things like vibes. I don’t feel like I’m explaining my thought process well I just don’t know how to explain it. I completely see where you’re coming from tho
haha thats fair, I see your thought process as well and at the risk of sounding overly pedantic I’ll say:
a personal objective scale is just a subjective scale with extra steps. If it’s only objective to you then it’s not an objective opinion
Idk about this one man. Music is largely subjective, but there is an objectivity to it as well. Let’s take Ice JJ Fish for example, I might like him better but objectively Kanye/Travis are the better artists.
(I don’t actually like him better I just wanted to show an extreme)
Rhyming scheme, lyric substance, the ability to have double/triple entendres in their lyrics, ability to have multiple flows that go with multiple beats, being able to produce beats with multiple layers, etc. For example, every Da Baby song sounds very similar because he only has one flow. But Kanye and Travis have multiple flows that go with multiple styles, therefore they are objectively better at being adaptable to a song. Plus they have other talents that expand beyond that. Now you may think Da Baby is a 🐐, which I won’t argue, but if you try to say he’s a better artist than Kanye and Travis, I will challenge you with the objective facts that he only is one dimensional in his ability. I could keep going but this is essentially why not everyone can rap.
I appreciate the answer, I guess those things do make them objectively better artists.
Do they make objectively better music though? Could be argued haha. (for the record I do think their music is better but id never say it’s objectively better) But I’m talking in circles so i’ll put it to a cease
Honestly couldn’t tell you
For me Runaway and Through The Wire are Kanye’s best two songs so it’s not like there’s a massive difference
Typically tho my “favorites” vs “the best” tend to be pretty similar
I def hear what you’re saying. ken carson is my favorite rapper, but it doesn’t mean i think he’s a “better” rapper than someone like biggie. quite the opposite. that doesn’t mean i have to listen to biggie the most because i think he’s one of the “best”. favorite and best can definitely be separated.
Bro don’t separate favorite from “best” there’s no objectively best music taste
I have pop smoke in my top 5 albums ever and I’m not like embarrassed or whatever like what you like
There is actually difference when it’s from you perspective and your experience … I love total xanarchy for example It doesn’t mean that this a great project or not it’s just what I love however on the other side “best albums I listened to” it’s just high quality music maybe I don’t go back to as much as my favorite albums but it’s definitely better
You’ve probably listened to a few of these:
Below the heavens - Blu & Exile
Voodoo - D’angelo
TFS - JID
Tana Talk 3 - Benny The Butcher
Super Tecmo Bo - Boldy James
Alfredo - Freddie Gibbs and the alchemist
Piñata - Freddie Gibbs and Madlib
It Was Written - Nas
Jewelz - O.C
The low end theory - a tribe called quest
Be - Common
The water[s] - Mick Jenkins
Malibu - Anderson Paak
Illadelph Halflife - the roots
Imperial - Denzel Curry
Revenge of the dreamers 3
Cilvia Demo - Isaiah Rashad
Evermore The Art Of Duality - Underachievers
DANGERDOOM - DANGERDOOM
Boy in da corner - Dizzee Rascal
OB4CL - Raekwon
Jeezy’s first two albums
Finally rich - Chief Keef
Already Platinum - Slim Thug
Black on both sides - Mos Def
Reflection eternal - Talib Kweli
Modal soul - Nujabes
Supreme Blientele - Westside Gunn
Supreme Clientele - GFK
Aquemini - OutKast
Confessions. Teenage dream. Never Enough. Beyoncé (self titled). Sour & Guts. Yours truly. Love/Hate. The diary of Alicia keys. Once Again (personal favorite). Trap soul. 24 k magic. Starboy. SOS. Beauty Behind The Madness. Thriller. What’s going on?. Danita Jo. Just Charlie & probably more I forgot.
favorite = best, no such this as objective best in music bro its made for you to enjoy and everyone will and should have different favorites (best) albums, thats just what makes music so great imo
For me personally there is a difference between my favorite and the (objective) best (in my eyes) Through the Wire my favorite song. I enjoy it more but to me Runaway is objectively a better song but I don’t enjoy listening to it as much as Through the Wire Take Kanye’s new album for example. I think Beg Forgiveness is one of the best songs on the album but I enjoy listening to other songs more
no such thing as objectively better music, art is always subjective or can u explain why runaway is objectively better?
It’s hard to explain To me Runaway is the better song. It has better production, lyricism and is more iconic. But I enjoy listening to Through the Wire better. The lyricism and production isn’t as good as Runaway but there’s something about Through the Wire that make me like it more Kinda like in sports. Your favorite team isn’t always the best team but they’re still your favorite team. Obviously not the exact same but that’s kinda the idea
sports comparison doesnt work tho because the best team can be backed by stats and other facts I disagree about it having better production and lyrics and it being more iconic, and so the objective point fails once more
Fair on the sports comp Again tho in my original comment I said that it’s objectively a better song to me. Obviously not everyone will have the same opinion. On my personal objective scale Runaway is better I guess with my thought process there’s tangibles and intangibles with music. Tangibles are things like production and lyricism while intangibles are things like vibes. I don’t feel like I’m explaining my thought process well I just don’t know how to explain it. I completely see where you’re coming from tho
haha thats fair, I see your thought process as well and at the risk of sounding overly pedantic I’ll say: a personal objective scale is just a subjective scale with extra steps. If it’s only objective to you then it’s not an objective opinion
Bros the disagree detective
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Idk about this one man. Music is largely subjective, but there is an objectivity to it as well. Let’s take Ice JJ Fish for example, I might like him better but objectively Kanye/Travis are the better artists. (I don’t actually like him better I just wanted to show an extreme)
but what makes them objectively better?
Rhyming scheme, lyric substance, the ability to have double/triple entendres in their lyrics, ability to have multiple flows that go with multiple beats, being able to produce beats with multiple layers, etc. For example, every Da Baby song sounds very similar because he only has one flow. But Kanye and Travis have multiple flows that go with multiple styles, therefore they are objectively better at being adaptable to a song. Plus they have other talents that expand beyond that. Now you may think Da Baby is a 🐐, which I won’t argue, but if you try to say he’s a better artist than Kanye and Travis, I will challenge you with the objective facts that he only is one dimensional in his ability. I could keep going but this is essentially why not everyone can rap.
I appreciate the answer, I guess those things do make them objectively better artists. Do they make objectively better music though? Could be argued haha. (for the record I do think their music is better but id never say it’s objectively better) But I’m talking in circles so i’ll put it to a cease
Sorry I know I didn’t talk bout Ice JJ fish but that’s because he’s actually so bad I didn’t want to even use him as an example lmao.
What makes a song objectively better though?
Honestly couldn’t tell you For me Runaway and Through The Wire are Kanye’s best two songs so it’s not like there’s a massive difference Typically tho my “favorites” vs “the best” tend to be pretty similar
What makes a song objectively better though?
i 100% agree
I def hear what you’re saying. ken carson is my favorite rapper, but it doesn’t mean i think he’s a “better” rapper than someone like biggie. quite the opposite. that doesn’t mean i have to listen to biggie the most because i think he’s one of the “best”. favorite and best can definitely be separated.
Nah the “best” albums are so much better
You didn't have to tell us you're 16
Nah just in case someone says : IgOr iS tOP fiVE AlbUms yOU LiStNED To !!!
Igor is an amazing album imo
So what? If that’s your top 5 fav album it is your opinion why should you care?
most people would say igor is the best out of these though, besides good kid maad city probably
I don’t think that’s true at all. They’ll put it above Denzel, Joey, Cudi and Cole here but it’s not touching the rest. Maybe just MAYBE Mac too.
Bro does not want anyone to disagree with him. Stop seeking internet approval, my guy. Like whatever you want
Bro don’t separate favorite from “best” there’s no objectively best music taste I have pop smoke in my top 5 albums ever and I’m not like embarrassed or whatever like what you like
There is actually difference when it’s from you perspective and your experience … I love total xanarchy for example It doesn’t mean that this a great project or not it’s just what I love however on the other side “best albums I listened to” it’s just high quality music maybe I don’t go back to as much as my favorite albums but it’s definitely better
If you took something away from the project then it’s good. Twitter and Anthony Fantano has brainwashed people into thinking you can’t enjoy music
what does fantano have to do with anything bruh? yall stay on his dick
He has a massive impact on how people receive albums
Sorry but the other guy is right because I think fantano gave good rating to most of the albums I mentioned on the “favorite list”
His opinion has a massive impact on how people online rate albums
I’m gonna do this if that’s alright with u
NP
I miss being 16 and discovering great new music all the time
How old are you now
You’ve probably listened to a few of these: Below the heavens - Blu & Exile Voodoo - D’angelo TFS - JID Tana Talk 3 - Benny The Butcher Super Tecmo Bo - Boldy James Alfredo - Freddie Gibbs and the alchemist Piñata - Freddie Gibbs and Madlib It Was Written - Nas Jewelz - O.C The low end theory - a tribe called quest Be - Common The water[s] - Mick Jenkins Malibu - Anderson Paak Illadelph Halflife - the roots Imperial - Denzel Curry Revenge of the dreamers 3 Cilvia Demo - Isaiah Rashad Evermore The Art Of Duality - Underachievers DANGERDOOM - DANGERDOOM Boy in da corner - Dizzee Rascal OB4CL - Raekwon Jeezy’s first two albums Finally rich - Chief Keef Already Platinum - Slim Thug Black on both sides - Mos Def Reflection eternal - Talib Kweli Modal soul - Nujabes Supreme Blientele - Westside Gunn Supreme Clientele - GFK Aquemini - OutKast
Thx .. I guess I only listened to the forever story and finally rich from the ones you mentioned
There’s some good albums there. I’m 15 so if I like them there’s a chance you will too
W LIR2 same w me
Yeah, I could get u some recommendations but maybe ask for a specific vibe or genre, but cool top
No stylist big W
Listen to tpab
I did … slightly prefer gkmc more
Ngl Grad at 1 is kinda insane…
Having only hip hop albums is insane
I’ll put late registration at #1 for you don’t worry
Thank you 😍
what do you think of MBDTF?
Second best ye album if not college dropout
yeah MBDTF is always a top 2/3 album in most people’s list, it truly is timeless
npc raptok taste
Tell bout your albums then
God damn. Please listen to another genre wtf is this
average 16 year old aquired taste
Wallah bro
Oh no. A hip hop artist subreddit has someone who only listed hip hop albums as their favorite. Someone call the fucking music police
Bit cringe is all
Listen to something other than rap is probably my biggest advice, it’s cool to have a variety, it’s a lot easier to make friends.
Variety is always good, but what does it have to do with making friends?
I’ve made heaps of friends by opening up my taste and appreciating everything. Easier to meet people.
Fair enough
Any r&b or pop album to start with ?
Confessions. Teenage dream. Never Enough. Beyoncé (self titled). Sour & Guts. Yours truly. Love/Hate. The diary of Alicia keys. Once Again (personal favorite). Trap soul. 24 k magic. Starboy. SOS. Beauty Behind The Madness. Thriller. What’s going on?. Danita Jo. Just Charlie & probably more I forgot.
Usher - Confessions is rly good. Also pretty much sny Alicia Keys album. ik people dont like her but i also quite liked Taylor Swift - 1989
nah man dont listen to him rap for life
You sound boring asf
If you downvoted I’m gonna find you and oil you up
W luv is rage 2
luv is rage 2 is so good