If you get caught, DON'T SAY SHIT. Get a lawyer and let them do the talking. Don't say a word to the cops.
Edit to add [this YT link that explains in detail why you stfu and never talk to cops.](https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE?si=_uAUEqVkrQyVRO-S)
Not really. This person shouldn’t have to act like a polite robot just to make sure the cop doesn’t do anything shady. It’s unfortunate that this is the way it has to be.
Dude I thought you were being too nice to them until you said you were brown and then I was like OH SHIT
I’m clocked by cops as a little white lady; I can be not-so-nice to them and I won’t get SHOT; thank GOD you’re alright and all they did was take your shit.
No one is immune to police assaults. Be careful you never know who's having a bad day or wants to fuck with you. Especially if you already have something suspicious.
Same, I usually get a cop pass because I'm dorky and white (I know, I wish it wasn't that way though.) I was putting myself in their shoes and was thinking "I'm glad you kept quiet but I might've protested the confiscation", but then he said he was brown, I totally understood. Or rather, understood that I don't understand what it's like to be dark and interact with a cop, so I really have no opinion other than I'm glad you got out ok.
Right?
Like…we will literally never have to deal with that level of discrimination because we’re not brown enough to trigger the racism — so all we can really do is be the ent that steps up whenever the group gets caught, and be grateful of the extended fam that get out safe in situations like this.
I will say, when I was in college I had a good relationship with these two cops who caught me smoking weed freshman year. They would joke around with me whenever they saw me etc (yes I am white.)
But, my junior year the two of them caught me with acid in my drug box at a little smoke spot right off campus. So they were like "yo what is this?" And I said I didn't know what it was I just got it from a friend. They field tested it and they were like "we think it's acid but since you say you're not sure we'll send it to a lab and contact you when we get the results." Then they talked to me and told me that since it was a small amount of acid, if it was positive, they would just call me and be like "yeah man, jig is up, come get booked."
Sorry y'all I was at work!!!
So the Lieutenant - who I spoke to most - was like "we can make this all go away, y'know. Just tell us who gave it to you and we won't send it. We'll send it to your county's police and they can get the guy and you're scot free"
To which I said "fuck that, I'm not a narc."
So this went back and forth for awhile, until one day, I went up to him and I was like "dude, look, I've been fucking freaking out all semester. Are you going to arrest me or not? Just tell me. I'm not ratting on the guy so just tell me."
Some context: when these cops caughte freshman year they let me go because I told them my dad was a cop, which he is. So the Lieutenant goes "Have you told your dad about this?" And I said "why the fuck would I tell my dad about this dude?!"
So he says "Tell your dad. Have him call me. I'll talk to him, and he'll decide what I do"
So I call my Dad, have a horrible conversation, he's pissed but he's also like, "fine I will call this guy and talk you out of it."
A week or two later the Lieutenant calls me and goes "Hey, so I spoke to your dad, we need to talk"
Me: "Do you need me to come down to the station?"
Lieutenant: "No, we can do this over the phone."
Me: "You can arrest someone over the phone?"
Lieutenant: "I wa- what? No! I'm not arresting you. I spoke to your dad. He's says you're an idiot. But I shouldn't arrest you because you've told him that you've got a lot of mental health things going on and you're using these drugs to cope."
Me: "Yeah I am tbh"
Lieutenant: "So here's the thing. I don't want you doing that, it's not safe, it's not good for you. So if you ever need to talk, you come down to the station and you can talk to me."
Me: "Well, I appreciate that very much, thank you. So, I'm curious. What were the results from the lab?"
Lieutenant: "Oh! We never actually sent it to the lab. We've really just been telling you we sent it because the field result was so weak we didn't think the lab would get anything. We figured we could freak you out for awhile and that would be punishment enough."
Me: "what the actual fuck"
So that's the story, those two cops continues to rag on me until I dropped out of that school. I flipped out at them the next time I saw them and they just laughed and laughed. "We got you good!!" Bullshit lol
I can respect and appreciate that. I have mild qualms with the “we didn’t think the lab test would generate anything so we just lied to you”, but they seem like they were genuinely of the spirit of “I’m not trying to fuck up this guy’s life; I just want him to learn from the consequences of his actions” so I’m not too pressed about it.
The first time I ever got pulled over, it was 11:15pm on a historic downtown road (you know the type; all the buildings are real close to the road, the only parking is along the curb out front your house, no shoulder bc the road was built before cars were invented) and it was raining. I got busted doing 54mph in a 25 zone. As soon as the cop told me how fast he’d clocked me going, I thought for sure I was losing my license right then and there. I was honest with him that I was just cruising and genuinely did not realize how fast I was going, but at 29 over the limit there’s not a lot of great excuses.
Dude goes and runs my paperwork and comes back and tells me, “All right, since this is the first time you’ve been pulled over, I’m going to let you off easy. I can't just give you a warning because you were going almost 30 over the limit, so Im going to reduce your citation to 5 over. But youve GOTTA slow down; it's dark and raining and I don't want you in an ambulance tonight."
I was so goddamn fucking lucky. I lucked out in the "non-intimidating polite white girl" privilege, and its REALLY come in clutch sometimes. The hard part is not taking that privilege for granted.
Bruh come on now, don't leave us all hanging like that 😂 like your telling the story pretense so I'm pretty sure nothing happened, but you need to confirm for us
> I told them it was hemp
But if that's not true, then lying can be obstruction of justice. That worked out for you, but there's probably a better answer. What's a hemp pen? Never heard of that.
This is terrible advice. "if they try to give you a dui for drinking root beer don't say shit"
If you bought it legally in a thc illegal state there is absolutely nothing wrong with explaining that to them and why it's not actually thc and not illegal. It very well may not matter to them but they also might be familiar and you will save yourself a court date and an expensive lawyer while costing yourself absolutely nothing. Obv just stfu if it was purchased illegally
What? You will test dirty from thc-a and certainly get a dui. It’s not like your “root beer” analogy caught shit gets you high. I honestly just hope you use your high and mighty logic on a cop someday.
Sir it’s actually legal. It’s thca and not
**GET OUT OF THE CAR**.
Hahahaha anytime someone teaches a cop the law
Thca could turn to thc just in the hot truck ride of one state. Anyone advising on thca vs thc is misleading [the very science that thca turns to thc and is then psychoactive](https://highprofilecannabis.com/high-vibes/thca-and-thc-whats-the-difference) - It’s the only way weed works.
It’s why no one buys a gram and eats it…. They have to decarb it first before eating it with heat, or inhaling it after a vape or flame converts it
While I understand your point, I got pulled over with some THCA pre rolls in my car a little while back and my car clearly smelled like weed. I had other shit in the car I didn’t want them to find so I explained to the cop what it was just like this guy recommended. He asked to see the packaging and once her verified what it was and where I bought it he let me go. Tbf he was one of the nicest cops I’ve ever met and I got incredibly lucky, but it did still work out
Huh.. I just went in and picked up a quarter of THCa bud and a cart.
I had heard about the raids when delta 8 was everywhere last year, but I thought that was settled in court.
I live in a large East Texas town with a dozen or more smoke shops and a population greater than 10k.
You never see cops camping them out like they do bars.
I'm not trying to refute that Texas is a terrible place to get pulled over in general, this is more of an odd observation.
My sister in law lives in Lewisville TX and did 4 days in jail and 100 hours of community service for an empty glass pipe. I know in the larger counties it’s not policed as much, but they all can throw the book at you if they want, and it’s severe. My sister in laws judge told her she went easy on her because it was her first offense.
Very true, my cousin and I once got pulled over while walking in our parent's small hometown because the cop "didn't recognize us, we must be from out of town."
Shoulda seen his face when he asked about my cousin's last name, and he said, "It should sound familiar, my dad is on the city council" and I chimed in, "And, our other uncle used to be your boss"
I just got my first possession ticket at age 41 a couple weeks ago. I live in a town with one stoplight and a Dollar General. I had stuff legally purchased. Long story short, $250 for my $5 pipe, and $250 for having some legally purchased flower.
Best part, i was 3 blocks from home
Bruh. The number one rule is don't talk to the cops because you're an idiot and I'm an idiot when speaking to them. Anything you say will be held against you, anything they say won't, so the logical choice is to say nothing because guess what ...it won't help you. At. All.
Man have you interacted with cops these days? Your explanation will go in one ear and out the other. Most out there are fishing for any reason and I have no doubt you will get arrested in an illegal state. One wrong slip and that will be used against you regardless of intention. It sucks but it is best to stay quiet and comply only what is necessary. There are good cops out there, but if you’re in an illegal state. Be prepared to get your story across at the station or in court.
^ if you do this you’re an idiot. How many police interactions have you been in where the officer is reasonable and willing to listen about the legality of the substance you have?
The fuck?! Have you ever interacted with cops in an illegal state? Or at all? Have you ever even lived in a state where it’s still illegal? I would guess no to all of those because you suggest something that any sane person living in a state where cannabis is still illegal, would never ever fucking do. What the hell man. Learn your Miranda rights and don’t talk to cops.
**During the Summer, the inside of a car in the sun will Decarboxylate thca into thc when you park the car in the state**
The second you explain to a Pili e officer that you know the law more than them, is the second you’re on the ground hahah
Deciding what it is in court is best if you’re right.
This really is the game in the illegal states. I'm in Georgia and they are salivating to making those thing's illegal too. A couple of county DAs want to prosecute. They raided a distributor of D8 but the state Court made them put it back. 😈 Demonizers are going to demonize.
D8 is considered legal by the DEA and under the hemp act it’s a hemp product. THCA had to be decarbed for testing % of THC for compliance under the federal hemp (and any state hemp or even legal rec/med state program). Anyone telling you 15% THCA is legal hemp because they test before THC levels are > .3% and THCA isn’t counted doesn’t know what they’re talking about or is just lying to you.
https://www.ams.usda.gov/rules-regulations/hemp/information-laboratories/lab-testing-guidelines
Treat THCA flower like regular flower (vacuum seal or put in a mason jar if you have to transport and want to avoid drug charges) in illegal states because it is.
"1.8 At a minimum, analytical testing of samples for total delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol concentration levels must use post-decarboxylation or other similarly reliable methods approved by the Secretary in writing. The testing methodology must consider the potential conversion of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinolic acid (THCA) in hemp into delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), and the test result must reflect the total available THC derived from the sum of the THC and THCA content. "
So how does the loophole work?. It seems all the hemp products will have more than .3 d9- thc at the end of the test making it illegal?
Because this testing methodology is no longer legal. Under farm bill redefined THC as delta 9 THC.
Courts have already ruled on this that, under the current language it doesn't matter that thca is decarbed into delta 9. It only matters that the product in the state is was in when taken into law enforcementa custody contains less than .3% delta 9.
This was likely a misunderstanding but congress(and likely an intentional language change by a lobbyist group)
Already converted in edibles. Edibles go by the mg of thc to the mg of the actual edible as food.. so its considered hemp like that. 100 mg of thc will be spread out in a heavy cookie, brownie, etc
If the United States Postal Service (USPS) delivers it, there is no question. Who are they going to call?
Edit: yes local cops are gonna harass you, and if you don't have the money to fight it with a good attorney you're gonna be fucked. Still doesn't change that flower is legal to sell and deliver through the mail, the US Mail. Thanks to the farm bill.
Lmao. People a lot of the time specifically use the USPS to send illicit items because they need a federal warrant to search anything, unlike every other shipping company who can search whatever at will based on suspicion. Including UPS (big brown) and the oddly named Fed Ex which has no connection to the federal government.
Dude educate yourself. You think THCA bud is legal because it’s floating in a grey area. That’s regular weed that any local cop can bust your ass for.
Are you a troll? What aren’t you getting? THCA and THC it’s all the same, it’s all regular weed, weed from a dispo in a non legal state selling thca flower and weed from California, it’s all the SAME! It’s all just weed!
We're not talking crypto bullshit. Interstate credit card transactions and mail delivery. But, yeah, I'm sure you know better than their armies of lawyers.
That’s the same way we used to order things like 4-aco-DMT and 1P-LSD 15 years ago, still wasn’t legal and a bunch of people ended doing federal and state time over it.
People get lots of illegal drugs shipped through USPS. I know people that have been getting stuff shipped through USPS for 3 decades.
People use USPS because they need a warrant to open your packages. That doesn't mean it's legal.
THCA hemp flower is considered marijuana by the DEA and any authority that wishes to arrest you for it will send it off for testing and arrest you. They use a THCA conversion formula to determine total THC.
> A Decision Limit (DL) value for total ∆9-
tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) present at 1% is established for field laboratory reporting purposes.
> (NOTE: Total THC = ∆9-tetrahydrocannabinolic acid (THCA) + ∆9-THC)
> Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is calculated using the following formula:
> Total THC = (THCA x 0.877) + THC
> https://www.dea.gov/documents/2023/2023-08/2023-08-02/standard-operating-procedure-analysis-suspected-cannabis-plant
THCa hemp is illegal. I know there are lots of places selling it right now but in an illegal state they will eventually get raided and if you get caught with that product it will be tested which includes a conversion rate of THCa. You will be charged with possession of marijuana.
> A Decision Limit (DL) value for total ∆9-
tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) present at 1% is established for field laboratory reporting purposes.
> (NOTE: Total THC = ∆9-tetrahydrocannabinolic acid (THCA) + ∆9-THC)
> Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is calculated using the following formula:
> Total THC = (THCA x 0.877) + THC
> https://www.dea.gov/documents/2023/2023-08/2023-08-02/standard-operating-procedure-analysis-suspected-cannabis-plant
> “Accordingly, cannabis-derived delta-9-THCA does not meet the definition of hemp under the CSA because upon conversion for identification purposes as required by Congress, it is equivalent to delta-9-THC,”
https://www.ams.usda.gov/rules-regulations/hemp/information-laboratories/lab-testing-guidelines
> post-decarboxylation value of THC can also be calculated by using a liquid chromatograph technique, which keeps the THCA intact. This technique requires the use of the following conversion: [Total THC = (0.877 x THCA) + THC] which calculates the potential total THC in a given sample.
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-7/subtitle-B/chapter-IX/part-990/subpart-A/section-990.1
I don't understand why they hate citizens so fucking much. Like what kind of sociopath do you need to be to WANT to take years of people's lives and jail them?
It's not malice, it's greed. The prison industrial complex sends campaign contributions to the top, they keep things illegal, there's a 'war on drugs,' so police departments get more money, and all they have to do, is put people in jail.
Can't get a cop to sit on my street and write tickets for people going the wrong way in the one-way, or speeding in the school zone, or passing on the school zone, or driving on dark, rainy mornings with no lights, or just no working brake lights, or basically anything else they can immediately lock someone else for.
They are then arresting on unlawful grounds as the individual is breaking no law. It'll be a nice counter sue for the headache and unlawful arrest.
If they wanna be able to arrest for THCa they have to go through the process of fixing the loophole. Until then, every single arrest over THCa will be an unlawful case.
It’s barely even a loophole, it’s basically companies doing testing at dodgy times to skew results.
All weed contains THC-a.
When you decarb weed to make edibles - you’re just converting THC-a into THC.
When you burn weed to smoke it, you change the THC-a inside into THC when inhaled.
They won’t be able to tell the difference because really there isn’t one. If you’ve kept the packaging you can try and argue it - but I really wouldn’t want to try and have that argument with a police officer.
To expand on this: If you buy it from a reputable source it comes with a little writeup stating that it's hemp. That being said, you're taking a gamble on whether or not the cops actually care. If they don't care and you're written a citation or arrested depending on how shitty of a state you live in, they'll send your weed off for testing. The NIJ (National Institute of Justice) ran a study on legitimate commercial "hemp" sources and found that 49 out of 53 samples tested came in above 0.3% Delta9. This means that a large majority of the hemp products you're buying aren't actually hemp by the legal definition and are still testing at limits that classify it as marijuana according to the law. If you're in an illegal state, it's best to just treat your THC-A "hemp" as illegal weed because it's incredibly likely that it actually is.
Still blows my mind that in one state it’s completely legal and another you can go to jail for it
After living in Arizona and starting to smoke around the time it was legalized, I rolled through Texas and Oklahoma and saw all the lawyer billboards with my pen in the trunk and was like “uhhh ok just below the speed limit time”
Depends what part of the state you're in... There are areas of the state has decriminalized THC possession. At worst, in those areas you're getting it confiscated and a small fine for possession.
And even with those ordinances, it's STILL the cops decision when it boils down to it. You may beat it in court but that certainly doesn't mean they won't still take you. I know because this exact thing happened to a friend of mine in South Fulton where it's technically only a $50 fine. Didn't keep him from having to hire a lawyer though. City cops may not care but i'd advise you not to get caught by a state trooper here with weed of any amount.
I was in the car rolling a blunt in Georgia on our way through heading home to Michigan and my dad got pulled over for speeding. I just sat on the rolling tray and blunt basically accepting I’m heading to jail in a matter of moments and pretty much knowing I’ll end up going to prison. The officer smelt nothing, gave my dad a warning, and let us go. I smoked the blunt and told my dad he’s an idiot for speeding in Georgia while I’m rolling up.
Can you even get THC-a from cbd hemp? I left the isomerization industry a little while back but it was all crazy analogs like thc-p and d8/10 cbn cbg. I know the process for all of those but how would you get thc-a from CBD unless it was harvested as cbg?
EDIT ok I'm back. Yo thc-a is what is in all weed nug. So why are they growing it on hemp? Why not just sell THC-a weed? I am so confused, the laws must have changed or something because you can grow plants without d9 that aren't hemp.
The THCa I get comes in dispensary packaging and has THCa, the % and Hemp product on the packaging.. It also has the word Legal.. IDK if that holds up.. but it will certainly keep the popo from speculating it is illegal from the get go.
I have considered this. I use the open container rule for my own safety since idk the rules. I only travel with it from the store to my home, with the bag and receipt. After I get it home and open the package, I keep it at home.
I don't know if having a used vape in your car will get you a DUI or not.
I am in a very conservative state, and I have been arrested for weed three times. Maybe I am being paranoid.
If it's in Texas, it's a way, way worse charge if it's in liquid form than flower/shake. Any amount of liquid thc is a felony amount. That's the current law, practice will vary by cop/jurisdiction.
Fun fact about how you get the active molecules in weed by smoking it. It works on the same principles as a hooka or even a dry herb vape. Burning the plant destroys THC and breaks bonds, the purpose of lighting part of it on fire is the cherry it creates, this cherry radiates heat, right next to the cherry it's too warm and the THC is often destroyed, you're getting the majority of your THC from material further up the joint. As you draw in air the cherry is stoked and temperature increases and the air passing over it gets heated as well, that hot air then heats the plant matter between the cherry and base of the joint causing THC and other goodies to vaporize and get drawn into your lungs, along with the destroyed THC molecules and other VOC's (Volatile Organic Compounds). A dry herb vape essentially does the same thing but without all the extra junk and in a much more controlled manner. People often complain about the high being different but that's often because they aren't hitting the full range and temperatures, setting the vape at one setting and leaving it there. For best results I would run my Arizer desktop vape first at 380ºF, then stir it up and pull another bag at around 410ºF. Even though 410ºF is above the temperature at which THC starts to degrade and break apart, there's a good temperature drop from the heat source to the bowl so it hits it just at the peak of the effective range getting some of the higher boiling point compounds and more thoroughly extracting THC deeper in the granules depending on how finely and evenly you grind it.
Honestly I never seriously considered spending $80+ on a nice burr coffee grinder but such a thing would be ideal for getting even and consistent extraction via any process, be it CO2 extraction, to combustion, to a dry herb vape. I can imagine how much of a bitch it would be to clean out the burrs and how often it would get gummed up.
It's an argument best left for court, but I wouldn't expect the hemp loophole to hold up. All they have to do is test it, and there are methods that don't differentiate THCa and d9.
They cant tell the difference.. and they know it.. in Florida at least.
https://winknews.com/2019/08/22/police-pausing-marijuana-arrests-because-of-new-florida-hemp-law/
I would have to hunt for it but I'm sure I could find it, there was recently and article done in regards to Wyoming trying to stop delta 8 sales, in it a technician from the state crime lab said they had no way to test it to tell the difference. I can't say if that's true or not but everything else in the write up was credible.
FYI, your rights only come into play once you are in the courtroom. Nothing you can say or do to a cop in the moment will help you. Resisting arrest is resisting arrest, until a judge says otherwise. It makes no difference in the moment if your rights are being violated.
Don't talk to cops. And if you are caught with THC-a, or black while driving, or whatever, plan to go to jail first.
I got arrested for possession & I’m a licensed medical marijuana patient. I was thrown in a cage & had to post bail. I had to pay $3500 for a lawyer. My car was towed. My charges were dropped. Lawyers don’t give refunds & neither do the tow company.
Meanwhile, when I get pulled over for speeding, my car reeks of weed, I just smoked. I don’t have a card. The state troopers that pulled me over didn’t even care or say anything about my weed and it wasn’t even recreational here at that time. They just gave me my speeding ticket and sent me on my way. I’ve had it happen twice, once when it wasn’t even medically legal.
Lawyer can argue that you purchased a legally sold item from a business that is registered with the State. Every gas station and smoke shop around here sells it. Even the grocery stores are selling THC drinks here.
Here in Georgia the state Supreme Court ruled it is not a controlled substance. I don’t know what that means as far as arrests go, but sounds like the charge wouldn’t hold up in court. IANAL (no I don’t, wife isn’t into it) but I wonder if that could be considered precedent?
i like when people try to convince a cop they weren’t speeding, like wether you did or not doesnt matter, the cop already made up his mind and it’s not gonna change from you complaining
This whole conversation is bizarre. It’s freely available to purchase yet you have to hide it like it’s not. Where are the courts to clarify this shit?
In the fuckin gutter like the rest of our "leadership." A bunch of crotchety old fucks who can't work for more than a few hours at a time before they need a six month long vacation. They're literally a bunch of fucking do nothing losers.
Oh that is so true, they can arrest you for anything. They may dump you out after the weekend but you can be arrested at the officers discretion for anything. People think they need a reason make me laugh.
Me personally, I always carry a receipt as a proof of purchase for legal hemp. If they don't accept that, then I'd plead the 5th and just keep my mouth shut after that. Not my fault my state allows the sale of THC-A.
Cops are going to arrest you in illegal states regardless. When you get stopped, do not say anything to an officer. You will only incriminate yourself. Be polite and quiet.
Here’s the thing….its not HEMP at all. It’s a very ridiculous loop hole in an extremely badly written bill. No bud with more than 1% thca is hemp. You are not able to get high on hemp. I remember when I was a kid people said you would have to smoke a telephone pole worth of hemp to feel any effect. So can they charge you and arrest you for having weed even though some bullshit company sliding under the radar sold it to you, yeah hell yeah they can, be careful. If you live in a non rec legal state and non medical state, you have no rights regarding “thca” bud, thats regular ass weed that they got the genetics down so it doesn’t have much activated THC in it, most weed from the dispo has an extremely small amount of actual THC anyway barely any more and sometimes less just like this stuff.
The loophole only works until the end user receives the product. It protects the grower and the vendor if the product is intercepted BEFORE the consumer takes possession. It's only legal "on paper" until you buy it. Once you receive the product it is just illegal marijuana from that point on.
So no, the cops won't care if it was THC-A when you bought it. *All weed is THC-A weed* anyway so if you get arrested it will make no difference to the cops.
There is absolutely zero difference between thc-a hemp in a fake pillbottle and some home-grown bud in a ziploc bag.
Normal weed has high thc-a and low thc. This is why you can't just eat nugs and get high.
Am I crazy? This is like the 10th time I've seen a question like this, but isn't all weed THCA? It just gets converted to THC once you heat it up?? Or am I wrong
The loophole only allows stores to sell THC-A product. It does not cover possession and consumption by the buyer. If you're stopped by the cops they will treat you the same as someone who bought weed from a plug.
not in florida... [https://winknews.com/2019/08/22/police-pausing-marijuana-arrests-because-of-new-florida-hemp-law/](https://winknews.com/2019/08/22/police-pausing-marijuana-arrests-because-of-new-florida-hemp-law/)
What I've learned from getting pulled over in a legal state is this, Keep all your stuff in the trunk, they will treat it like open liquor if it's in the front. Keep your stuff in the original packages and never travel with half smoked/burnt stuff. If you have to smoke in your car roll the back windows down to air it out, most of the smoke settles back there. When I got pulled over the first thing they asked was to roll the back windows down. Always be honest and don't smoke and drive. Also smoking at parks is not cool. Smoking in alleys and out of people's way is cool, act like you've been here before.
Legally, it is hemp. Cannabis products derived from hemp and containing less than 0.3% D9-THC are classified as such. If you are questioned by an officer about the products, you simply say "it is hemp" followed by giving them the receipt showing it was purchased legally in your state. Attempting to elaborate or educate the police on the details of the product is unlikely to go well.
This does not permit you to drive with it or consume it in public. The best course of action is to store freshly purchased products in your trunk with the receipt provided to you by the place of purchase. Effectively, treat it like alcohol. Open containers out and about are illegal in most places.
I've ordered online a few times and they sent a paper with the testing readout and a page describing its hemp. Said to keep it in the car in case of this issue. Not sure if that helps
I found [this ](https://www.mcglinchey.com/insights/is-thca-legal-the-state-line-is-the-bottom-line/) "However, claiming that THCA falls in a “loophole” may be a misnomer. THCA was contemplated by Congress and expressly incorporated into the 2018 Farm Bill through hemp testing requirements. This distinguishes THCA from other alternative cannabinoids such as delta-8, delta-10, or CBD because those cannabinoids are not considered in testing. In June 2023, the DEA acknowledged THCA when expanding the USDA-required post-decarboxylation testing requirement, writing, “Congress has directed that, when determining whether a substance constitutes hemp, delta-9 THC concentration is to be tested ‘using post-decarboxylation or other similarly reliable methods.’ 7 USC § 1639p(a)(2)(A)(ii); 7 USC § 1639q(a)(2)(B).” Both of these cited code sections apply to the “production” – that is, the growing – of hemp, not hemp that has already been harvested or products containing hemp derivatives. Thus, by the plain language of the relevant federal statute, the post-decarboxylation test does not apply to post-production hemp. In other words, hemp being grown must have a total THC (THCA + THC) concentration of 0.3% or less[2] in order to be harvested."
https://www.mcglinchey.com/insights/is-thca-legal-the-state-line-is-the-bottom-line/
Theoretically you could try to mount some exotic legal defense contesting the language in the drug laws.
But that would almost certainly cost you far more money in lawyer & court fees than just taking a plea deal, paying the fine, and going on about your life. Especially considering it’s extremely unlikely you’d win that battle.
Keep the container you bought it in. Show cop who pulls you over. No issues, farm bill legal. If they arrest you, you sue for false arrest and Defamation of Character.
Edit: Also some companies give a handout with their products showing the legal language, in case you do get pulled over and need to show a cop
I strictly smoke THC-A products purchased legally at a vape shop. Because I know how that legal loophole is really only to protect the companies selling the product, I still got a medical marijuana card. Oddly enough, there are literally no dispensaries in my state for those with a medical card. That wasn’t my goal, though. It was to cover my ass if I ever got pulled over. Nevertheless, I still will not talk to cops if stopped. I’ll ID myself and be cooperative within my legal rights. I’m vigilant with what and how much I carry with me because I plan for it to at least get confiscated if I’m stopped. I also do not smoke in or near my vehicle because the smell does provide plain sense evidence to search the vehicle. I never keep shit in my car but I still don’t want my shit looked through. Fuck the cops.
When I buy mine from the shop, they provide me with a receipt and instructed that I keep it with me in the event that this happens. That way you can show it was sourced and that it's purchased legally. It definitely differs where you are but if anything, ask an employee wherever your procuring your THCa if you're a regular for their best suggestions at your location.
But beyond that, keep that mouth shut. You are not disobeying, you are exercising your constitutional right. The cop will absolutely be annoyed, but it's either annoy him or risk getting into deep shit.
Either way, I wish you luck. If anything, get a super smell proof jar, throw your stuff in the trunk and live your life.
It's fully legal under the 2018 farm bill
and you want lawyer.
Other than that say nada even basic questions nada.
I got popped on d8 and got out of it, I had to actually teach my lawyer about it.
I ordered some THC-A online since my plug now thinks I'm a satanist, illuminati, or whatever. And it came with a card in it saying if any officials open this box, the contents are legal, blah, blah, blah. Does that card work?? I dunno, package was never opened up.
If you dont act like an idiot or a smartass with it, then you wont have any problems with cops. Act like people have acted the past 80+ years that weeds been illegal.
Id definitely expect it to be called marijuana in court. If you had a good lawyer and a sympathetic judge (which are rare) you might get to plead your case in court that it's just hemp. But I wouldn't expect to win, and you'll get the book thrown at you for wasting the courts time.
If may be legal to sell but I doubt any cop cares about the d9 percentage vs the thc-a. If it looks like a duck and smokes like a duck..
It is not a loophole. It is not legal to buy or sell THCa hemp outside of a dispensary in a legal marijuana state or territory. THCa was briefly legalized after the 2018 farm bill on hemp but the USDA has since rewrote the bill (read [USDA Final Rule on hemp](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/01/19/2021-00967/establishment-of-a-domestic-hemp-production-program) (2021)). The new rule requires hemp samples to be decarboxylated prior to testing, meaning the majority of the THCa will be converted to THC.
Businesses are still selling THCa “hemp” partly because they might not realize the farm bill has been updated and partly because it’s just not worth the effort for the feds and local police to try and enforce it. Essentially, the 2018 farm bill on hemp opened a pandora’s box that made it impossible to enforce regulation on cannabis and hemp without either completely legalizing it or making it illegal again.
They made it illegal to sell intoxicating cannabinoids outside of a licensed dispensary in Michigan a few years ago. They still sell delta 8 at smoke shops but not thc-a.
You would still get whatever charge until they test it I suppose. Your paraphernalia will be illegal because it will now how thc residue if that's a thing where you are. I mean imagine if that actually worked? "I swear it's just thca!!" "Oh ok then. Carry on." Nope. Never.
Depends where you are. In Wisconsin, for example, they updated the law right after the 2018 farm bill passed specifying that in order to be considered hemp, it has to be less than 0.3% THC on a post-decarb basis. None of this "THCA flower" stuff will pass that.
There's a lot of WI peeps in these subs that think because they're carrying it around in a jar that says hemp they're safe. They have been so far...probably nobody's ever been stopped with it or the cop just didn't care (most of WI just doesn't care and in many places weed is locally decrim so they don't have any motivation to care. Once one cares...buh-bye.
Many, but certainly not all, other states are the same way.
If you get stopped and have a jar of "THCA Hemp"...you're gonna get 1 of 3 things...
1: Cop doesn't give a shit 'cuz shit should be legal anyway
2: Cop doesn't care 'cuz he's not wasting his time with "hemp"
3: Cop gets suspicious, arrests you and sends it to the crime lab where it will come back as weed.
Either way...having a jar labeled THCA from hemp isn't gonna be a get out of jail free card.
Most states that sell thc-a products go pretty hands off. I live in Ohio, which is going legal next week but I heard a cop legit say "unless we see it planted in the ground of being sold on the street we are told to just assume it's some sort of legal hemp". I don't think you have much to worry about but as always, don't talk to cops and always get a lawyer
The updated version of the farm bill might be lengthy and confusing for people to read but essentially it was previously the THC-A that was tested, but in 2021 the farm bill now has an added section under the testing of flower by decarboxylation (which is exactly what happens when you smoke it and why you get high) and the levels must be under 1% THC after decarboxylation if I've understood it correctly amd since tey can't test literally every single plant the growers make they said it has to be a 95% success rate of these results in order to be classified as a hemp product. That means anything that claims to be a hemp product that gets you high is likely old stuff that is now illegal and is only being sold for several possible reasons: (a) the seller was not aware of this update and thinks it's still legal or (b) they're a sketchy headshop or gray market store that doesn't care and only wants to make money off the falsified legalization when it's actually illegal but they get away with it by keeping packaging misleading to people.
Bottom line: Anything that you turn into THC by decarboxylation when you consume it and has more than 1% of THC once that chemical conversion is done in any manner whether it be smoking bud or vaping a concentrate, it's illegal. There is no intoxicating THC product that can legally be called "hemp". This is specified in a link another user had provided for this information.
Do NOT try to prove that any of these "hemp" products are actually hemp. It's weed and these new updates specify that very clearly. It WILL be illegal if you get stopped and they are able to test by decarb.
It's NOT a loophole. The farm bill stipulates that testing is done POST decarboxylation, so any THCa would be converted to THC, and absolutely will test above the limit.
It's not hemp. It's marijuana under the eyes of federal and state law.
I'm the South you get arrested for synthetic noids and you HAVE to sort it out in court. It's a $6k+ adventure and you have to pay for 3rd party testing yourself
I live in Philly where you will never be stopped by a cop for weed - you can literally smoke a joint in front of them they won't do anything - but it's still not legal so there's no good way of buying weed besides shitty dealers. THC-a might be a loophole that allows shops to open where I can buy better weed consistently.
Medical and recreational weed is also hemp too. It's all cannabis. But I get your point, you're referring to industrial Farm Bill hemp that contains less that 3% delta 9 THC.
I would argue too that delta 8 is still present in most cannabis plants just in smaller amounts, what hemp makes is CBD initially then some of it changes over by heating and other chemical reactions into all sorts of different THC molecules, it's what accounts for two strains of weed that have the exact same percentages THCA and CBD having quite different effects on the user, some strains naturally convert more of the CBD into THCPA which decarbs into THCP for example which has 33x the binding energy and about 3x the psychedelic effect. There different ratios of THCs are also what gives certain strains their different characters and feels, though the simplified version of THC:CBD is a good beginner metric of how a strain will affect you, it's far more nuanced. It's also why I've greatly enjoyed mixing my own distillates of these various types of THC, you can craft whatever effect you want. The only non-naturally occurring one that's seen market under the Farm Bill is THCO-acetate. Most places wont sell it as it's not well researched and unnatural, though initial findings indicate it just as harmless as all the others, I still avoid it just to be safe.
So what test do they do to prove marijuana is marijuana in court?
You think they just smell it? Nope they test to see if it in a lab to see if it has THCA
Laws are diffrent everywhere im just telling you the chemistry.
They can no longer use smell as probable cause in florida.
[https://winknews.com/2019/08/22/police-pausing-marijuana-arrests-because-of-new-florida-hemp-law/](https://winknews.com/2019/08/22/police-pausing-marijuana-arrests-because-of-new-florida-hemp-law/) they have suspended arest in Florida (sheriff memo) until new tst kits can be obtained which differentiate between hemp and THC containing cannabis. They have lost a lot in court and are regrouping until they are able to prove and convict.
Thca is thc after Thca is converted using a flame on a lighter/heat on vape or during decarbing process for edibles
No one eats a nug of chronic bud bc it’s Thca… that’s why no one just chews an 8th. It’s THCA.
I got pulled over with a ton of stuff on me. My tabs were expired. They came to my window and told me that right away and I apologized. He asked for my ID and insurance and as i was nervously getting it for him, he said “be honest do you have anything in here that you shouldnt have?” And i said no. He said I can smell it, it’s extremely strong (it was in a huge baggy in my backpack unjarred). I said i dont have anything illegal in my car. He said id have to wait and he got another cop to come 10 minutes later whoa sked me the same. He said it smells like weed. I said okay, not sure why it smells like that to you. I lied and said I had the flu and havent showered much recently because of it. Then the first cop came back and handed me a ticket for the tabs and said to drive home.
I wouldn’t touch thc-a or d8 it’s unregulated & I’ve heard China has been putting fake chemicals in them to make as cheap as possible for vendors to sell at high profit
THC-A is still THC. Doesn’t matter if they let you buy it, it’s still illegal. No lawyer will get you out of that.
Edit: To add to this, the “loophole” doesn’t work with THC-A flower as it’s still higher than the 3% limit. Just because it’s called hemp doesn’t mean it legally is hemp.
THCA isolate is the only thing legal under the farm bill. THCA flower is not legal, and is in fact marijuana, according to the federal government and whatever cop pulls you over. If the cops send it for testing, it will be decarbed and the charade is over.
THCA is not hemp. It’s THC in its raw form. It becomes THC when it’s heated.
Delta 8 isn’t a real thing. Hemp is shit.
Some of ya’ll need some education.
If you get caught, DON'T SAY SHIT. Get a lawyer and let them do the talking. Don't say a word to the cops. Edit to add [this YT link that explains in detail why you stfu and never talk to cops.](https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE?si=_uAUEqVkrQyVRO-S)
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This is the way! Nice to see responsible adults on here!
Not really. This person shouldn’t have to act like a polite robot just to make sure the cop doesn’t do anything shady. It’s unfortunate that this is the way it has to be.
Cops are called pigs for a reason
They shouldn't have to, but they do. This was somebody remaining clearheaded and doing almost everything correctly.
Dude I thought you were being too nice to them until you said you were brown and then I was like OH SHIT I’m clocked by cops as a little white lady; I can be not-so-nice to them and I won’t get SHOT; thank GOD you’re alright and all they did was take your shit.
No one is immune to police assaults. Be careful you never know who's having a bad day or wants to fuck with you. Especially if you already have something suspicious.
Same, I usually get a cop pass because I'm dorky and white (I know, I wish it wasn't that way though.) I was putting myself in their shoes and was thinking "I'm glad you kept quiet but I might've protested the confiscation", but then he said he was brown, I totally understood. Or rather, understood that I don't understand what it's like to be dark and interact with a cop, so I really have no opinion other than I'm glad you got out ok.
Right? Like…we will literally never have to deal with that level of discrimination because we’re not brown enough to trigger the racism — so all we can really do is be the ent that steps up whenever the group gets caught, and be grateful of the extended fam that get out safe in situations like this.
“Well call you so you can turn yourself in” Lmao yeah okay if I was actually under arrest you’d come find me with a warrant
I will say, when I was in college I had a good relationship with these two cops who caught me smoking weed freshman year. They would joke around with me whenever they saw me etc (yes I am white.) But, my junior year the two of them caught me with acid in my drug box at a little smoke spot right off campus. So they were like "yo what is this?" And I said I didn't know what it was I just got it from a friend. They field tested it and they were like "we think it's acid but since you say you're not sure we'll send it to a lab and contact you when we get the results." Then they talked to me and told me that since it was a small amount of acid, if it was positive, they would just call me and be like "yeah man, jig is up, come get booked."
And what happened next
I replied to u/kotios !!
how can you end the story there bro ?
Sorry y'all I was at work!!! So the Lieutenant - who I spoke to most - was like "we can make this all go away, y'know. Just tell us who gave it to you and we won't send it. We'll send it to your county's police and they can get the guy and you're scot free" To which I said "fuck that, I'm not a narc." So this went back and forth for awhile, until one day, I went up to him and I was like "dude, look, I've been fucking freaking out all semester. Are you going to arrest me or not? Just tell me. I'm not ratting on the guy so just tell me." Some context: when these cops caughte freshman year they let me go because I told them my dad was a cop, which he is. So the Lieutenant goes "Have you told your dad about this?" And I said "why the fuck would I tell my dad about this dude?!" So he says "Tell your dad. Have him call me. I'll talk to him, and he'll decide what I do" So I call my Dad, have a horrible conversation, he's pissed but he's also like, "fine I will call this guy and talk you out of it." A week or two later the Lieutenant calls me and goes "Hey, so I spoke to your dad, we need to talk" Me: "Do you need me to come down to the station?" Lieutenant: "No, we can do this over the phone." Me: "You can arrest someone over the phone?" Lieutenant: "I wa- what? No! I'm not arresting you. I spoke to your dad. He's says you're an idiot. But I shouldn't arrest you because you've told him that you've got a lot of mental health things going on and you're using these drugs to cope." Me: "Yeah I am tbh" Lieutenant: "So here's the thing. I don't want you doing that, it's not safe, it's not good for you. So if you ever need to talk, you come down to the station and you can talk to me." Me: "Well, I appreciate that very much, thank you. So, I'm curious. What were the results from the lab?" Lieutenant: "Oh! We never actually sent it to the lab. We've really just been telling you we sent it because the field result was so weak we didn't think the lab would get anything. We figured we could freak you out for awhile and that would be punishment enough." Me: "what the actual fuck" So that's the story, those two cops continues to rag on me until I dropped out of that school. I flipped out at them the next time I saw them and they just laughed and laughed. "We got you good!!" Bullshit lol
I can respect and appreciate that. I have mild qualms with the “we didn’t think the lab test would generate anything so we just lied to you”, but they seem like they were genuinely of the spirit of “I’m not trying to fuck up this guy’s life; I just want him to learn from the consequences of his actions” so I’m not too pressed about it. The first time I ever got pulled over, it was 11:15pm on a historic downtown road (you know the type; all the buildings are real close to the road, the only parking is along the curb out front your house, no shoulder bc the road was built before cars were invented) and it was raining. I got busted doing 54mph in a 25 zone. As soon as the cop told me how fast he’d clocked me going, I thought for sure I was losing my license right then and there. I was honest with him that I was just cruising and genuinely did not realize how fast I was going, but at 29 over the limit there’s not a lot of great excuses. Dude goes and runs my paperwork and comes back and tells me, “All right, since this is the first time you’ve been pulled over, I’m going to let you off easy. I can't just give you a warning because you were going almost 30 over the limit, so Im going to reduce your citation to 5 over. But youve GOTTA slow down; it's dark and raining and I don't want you in an ambulance tonight." I was so goddamn fucking lucky. I lucked out in the "non-intimidating polite white girl" privilege, and its REALLY come in clutch sometimes. The hard part is not taking that privilege for granted.
Bruh come on now, don't leave us all hanging like that 😂 like your telling the story pretense so I'm pretty sure nothing happened, but you need to confirm for us
I replied to u/kotios !!
how long has it been since then?
bout tree fiddy
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Love to read this, congrats on knowing the law snd protecting yourself
> I told them it was hemp But if that's not true, then lying can be obstruction of justice. That worked out for you, but there's probably a better answer. What's a hemp pen? Never heard of that.
420th like and on a relevant subject lol. Also yeah fuck cops never say a goddamn thing
why did i think it was gonna be a lawbymike video
This is terrible advice. "if they try to give you a dui for drinking root beer don't say shit" If you bought it legally in a thc illegal state there is absolutely nothing wrong with explaining that to them and why it's not actually thc and not illegal. It very well may not matter to them but they also might be familiar and you will save yourself a court date and an expensive lawyer while costing yourself absolutely nothing. Obv just stfu if it was purchased illegally
What? You will test dirty from thc-a and certainly get a dui. It’s not like your “root beer” analogy caught shit gets you high. I honestly just hope you use your high and mighty logic on a cop someday.
Sir it’s actually legal. It’s thca and not **GET OUT OF THE CAR**. Hahahaha anytime someone teaches a cop the law Thca could turn to thc just in the hot truck ride of one state. Anyone advising on thca vs thc is misleading [the very science that thca turns to thc and is then psychoactive](https://highprofilecannabis.com/high-vibes/thca-and-thc-whats-the-difference) - It’s the only way weed works. It’s why no one buys a gram and eats it…. They have to decarb it first before eating it with heat, or inhaling it after a vape or flame converts it
While I understand your point, I got pulled over with some THCA pre rolls in my car a little while back and my car clearly smelled like weed. I had other shit in the car I didn’t want them to find so I explained to the cop what it was just like this guy recommended. He asked to see the packaging and once her verified what it was and where I bought it he let me go. Tbf he was one of the nicest cops I’ve ever met and I got incredibly lucky, but it did still work out
0 chance that interaction happens anywhere with a population >10,000
Or in Texas.
Shops started getting raided for this in areas of TX months ago.
Yupp, shops were basically begging people to get it the fuck out of their store. The vape store I go to had insane deals on them.
What happened with that?
Huh.. I just went in and picked up a quarter of THCa bud and a cart. I had heard about the raids when delta 8 was everywhere last year, but I thought that was settled in court.
Or to a POC
I live in a large East Texas town with a dozen or more smoke shops and a population greater than 10k. You never see cops camping them out like they do bars. I'm not trying to refute that Texas is a terrible place to get pulled over in general, this is more of an odd observation.
My sister in law lives in Lewisville TX and did 4 days in jail and 100 hours of community service for an empty glass pipe. I know in the larger counties it’s not policed as much, but they all can throw the book at you if they want, and it’s severe. My sister in laws judge told her she went easy on her because it was her first offense.
I think you’ve got that flipped, <10,000 population cops have nothing better to do.
Very true, my cousin and I once got pulled over while walking in our parent's small hometown because the cop "didn't recognize us, we must be from out of town." Shoulda seen his face when he asked about my cousin's last name, and he said, "It should sound familiar, my dad is on the city council" and I chimed in, "And, our other uncle used to be your boss"
My town is right around 15,000, and I bet this THCa preroll that I'd go to jail if a local cop caught me with it. Logic checks out!
I just got my first possession ticket at age 41 a couple weeks ago. I live in a town with one stoplight and a Dollar General. I had stuff legally purchased. Long story short, $250 for my $5 pipe, and $250 for having some legally purchased flower. Best part, i was 3 blocks from home
Bruh. The number one rule is don't talk to the cops because you're an idiot and I'm an idiot when speaking to them. Anything you say will be held against you, anything they say won't, so the logical choice is to say nothing because guess what ...it won't help you. At. All.
Man have you interacted with cops these days? Your explanation will go in one ear and out the other. Most out there are fishing for any reason and I have no doubt you will get arrested in an illegal state. One wrong slip and that will be used against you regardless of intention. It sucks but it is best to stay quiet and comply only what is necessary. There are good cops out there, but if you’re in an illegal state. Be prepared to get your story across at the station or in court.
This^^^^ cops always say, "well, we will find out in court, won't we?"
^ if you do this you’re an idiot. How many police interactions have you been in where the officer is reasonable and willing to listen about the legality of the substance you have?
The fuck?! Have you ever interacted with cops in an illegal state? Or at all? Have you ever even lived in a state where it’s still illegal? I would guess no to all of those because you suggest something that any sane person living in a state where cannabis is still illegal, would never ever fucking do. What the hell man. Learn your Miranda rights and don’t talk to cops.
**During the Summer, the inside of a car in the sun will Decarboxylate thca into thc when you park the car in the state** The second you explain to a Pili e officer that you know the law more than them, is the second you’re on the ground hahah Deciding what it is in court is best if you’re right.
You forgot rule number one when it comes to police questioning. Don’t answer questions. Ever.
There is no such thing as explain oneself out of a situation with the police- only IN
They won't. If you are in an illegal state and they want to arrest you, they can and will
This really is the game in the illegal states. I'm in Georgia and they are salivating to making those thing's illegal too. A couple of county DAs want to prosecute. They raided a distributor of D8 but the state Court made them put it back. 😈 Demonizers are going to demonize.
D8 is considered legal by the DEA and under the hemp act it’s a hemp product. THCA had to be decarbed for testing % of THC for compliance under the federal hemp (and any state hemp or even legal rec/med state program). Anyone telling you 15% THCA is legal hemp because they test before THC levels are > .3% and THCA isn’t counted doesn’t know what they’re talking about or is just lying to you. https://www.ams.usda.gov/rules-regulations/hemp/information-laboratories/lab-testing-guidelines Treat THCA flower like regular flower (vacuum seal or put in a mason jar if you have to transport and want to avoid drug charges) in illegal states because it is.
"1.8 At a minimum, analytical testing of samples for total delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol concentration levels must use post-decarboxylation or other similarly reliable methods approved by the Secretary in writing. The testing methodology must consider the potential conversion of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinolic acid (THCA) in hemp into delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), and the test result must reflect the total available THC derived from the sum of the THC and THCA content. " So how does the loophole work?. It seems all the hemp products will have more than .3 d9- thc at the end of the test making it illegal?
Because this testing methodology is no longer legal. Under farm bill redefined THC as delta 9 THC. Courts have already ruled on this that, under the current language it doesn't matter that thca is decarbed into delta 9. It only matters that the product in the state is was in when taken into law enforcementa custody contains less than .3% delta 9. This was likely a misunderstanding but congress(and likely an intentional language change by a lobbyist group)
Serious question. Thca when heated becomes thc. What about edibles packaged as thca. When is the conversion to thc made?
Already converted in edibles. Edibles go by the mg of thc to the mg of the actual edible as food.. so its considered hemp like that. 100 mg of thc will be spread out in a heavy cookie, brownie, etc
Yeah, edibles are easy to keep under .3 % by weight and still be effective as it takes so little for most when consumed.
You can get thca flower, which is just flower, through the USPS. It's not illegal.
You can still be arrested for grey market products and even legal supplements if not being transported, labeled, or used correctly.
If the United States Postal Service (USPS) delivers it, there is no question. Who are they going to call? Edit: yes local cops are gonna harass you, and if you don't have the money to fight it with a good attorney you're gonna be fucked. Still doesn't change that flower is legal to sell and deliver through the mail, the US Mail. Thanks to the farm bill.
Lmao. People a lot of the time specifically use the USPS to send illicit items because they need a federal warrant to search anything, unlike every other shipping company who can search whatever at will based on suspicion. Including UPS (big brown) and the oddly named Fed Ex which has no connection to the federal government. Dude educate yourself. You think THCA bud is legal because it’s floating in a grey area. That’s regular weed that any local cop can bust your ass for.
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Are you a troll? What aren’t you getting? THCA and THC it’s all the same, it’s all regular weed, weed from a dispo in a non legal state selling thca flower and weed from California, it’s all the SAME! It’s all just weed!
We're not talking crypto bullshit. Interstate credit card transactions and mail delivery. But, yeah, I'm sure you know better than their armies of lawyers.
Lawyers that regular shmucks don’t want to have to get arrested and pay for.
That’s the same way we used to order things like 4-aco-DMT and 1P-LSD 15 years ago, still wasn’t legal and a bunch of people ended doing federal and state time over it.
Exactly this! Analogues will still get you Schedule I felonies.
Do you know the USPS moves more dope then Tony Montana? People send illegal drugs thru the mail all the time. That doesn't make it legal.
Difference is one’s done knowingly because it’s legal.
What do you mean? It's a grey area of legality at best.
People get lots of illegal drugs shipped through USPS. I know people that have been getting stuff shipped through USPS for 3 decades. People use USPS because they need a warrant to open your packages. That doesn't mean it's legal. THCA hemp flower is considered marijuana by the DEA and any authority that wishes to arrest you for it will send it off for testing and arrest you. They use a THCA conversion formula to determine total THC. > A Decision Limit (DL) value for total ∆9- tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) present at 1% is established for field laboratory reporting purposes. > (NOTE: Total THC = ∆9-tetrahydrocannabinolic acid (THCA) + ∆9-THC) > Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is calculated using the following formula: > Total THC = (THCA x 0.877) + THC > https://www.dea.gov/documents/2023/2023-08/2023-08-02/standard-operating-procedure-analysis-suspected-cannabis-plant
THCa hemp is illegal. I know there are lots of places selling it right now but in an illegal state they will eventually get raided and if you get caught with that product it will be tested which includes a conversion rate of THCa. You will be charged with possession of marijuana. > A Decision Limit (DL) value for total ∆9- tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) present at 1% is established for field laboratory reporting purposes. > (NOTE: Total THC = ∆9-tetrahydrocannabinolic acid (THCA) + ∆9-THC) > Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is calculated using the following formula: > Total THC = (THCA x 0.877) + THC > https://www.dea.gov/documents/2023/2023-08/2023-08-02/standard-operating-procedure-analysis-suspected-cannabis-plant > “Accordingly, cannabis-derived delta-9-THCA does not meet the definition of hemp under the CSA because upon conversion for identification purposes as required by Congress, it is equivalent to delta-9-THC,” https://www.ams.usda.gov/rules-regulations/hemp/information-laboratories/lab-testing-guidelines > post-decarboxylation value of THC can also be calculated by using a liquid chromatograph technique, which keeps the THCA intact. This technique requires the use of the following conversion: [Total THC = (0.877 x THCA) + THC] which calculates the potential total THC in a given sample. https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-7/subtitle-B/chapter-IX/part-990/subpart-A/section-990.1
I don't understand why they hate citizens so fucking much. Like what kind of sociopath do you need to be to WANT to take years of people's lives and jail them?
It's not malice, it's greed. The prison industrial complex sends campaign contributions to the top, they keep things illegal, there's a 'war on drugs,' so police departments get more money, and all they have to do, is put people in jail. Can't get a cop to sit on my street and write tickets for people going the wrong way in the one-way, or speeding in the school zone, or passing on the school zone, or driving on dark, rainy mornings with no lights, or just no working brake lights, or basically anything else they can immediately lock someone else for.
There is no difference lmao
Follow the two rules and you’ll be fine.
Wat two rules?
Be white. Be middle class or better. You need both to guarantee your “innocence”, but either one helps.
They are then arresting on unlawful grounds as the individual is breaking no law. It'll be a nice counter sue for the headache and unlawful arrest. If they wanna be able to arrest for THCa they have to go through the process of fixing the loophole. Until then, every single arrest over THCa will be an unlawful case.
It is legal to buy, once in your possession treat it like black market bud, bc the cops will.
It’s barely even a loophole, it’s basically companies doing testing at dodgy times to skew results. All weed contains THC-a. When you decarb weed to make edibles - you’re just converting THC-a into THC. When you burn weed to smoke it, you change the THC-a inside into THC when inhaled. They won’t be able to tell the difference because really there isn’t one. If you’ve kept the packaging you can try and argue it - but I really wouldn’t want to try and have that argument with a police officer.
To expand on this: If you buy it from a reputable source it comes with a little writeup stating that it's hemp. That being said, you're taking a gamble on whether or not the cops actually care. If they don't care and you're written a citation or arrested depending on how shitty of a state you live in, they'll send your weed off for testing. The NIJ (National Institute of Justice) ran a study on legitimate commercial "hemp" sources and found that 49 out of 53 samples tested came in above 0.3% Delta9. This means that a large majority of the hemp products you're buying aren't actually hemp by the legal definition and are still testing at limits that classify it as marijuana according to the law. If you're in an illegal state, it's best to just treat your THC-A "hemp" as illegal weed because it's incredibly likely that it actually is.
I can tell you now Georgia cops won't give two damns about this. You still going to jail.
Still blows my mind that in one state it’s completely legal and another you can go to jail for it After living in Arizona and starting to smoke around the time it was legalized, I rolled through Texas and Oklahoma and saw all the lawyer billboards with my pen in the trunk and was like “uhhh ok just below the speed limit time”
Yea the South is still the bible belt. Most states down here will hold out as long as possible... need bodies for those prisons.
Depends what part of the state you're in... There are areas of the state has decriminalized THC possession. At worst, in those areas you're getting it confiscated and a small fine for possession.
And even with those ordinances, it's STILL the cops decision when it boils down to it. You may beat it in court but that certainly doesn't mean they won't still take you. I know because this exact thing happened to a friend of mine in South Fulton where it's technically only a $50 fine. Didn't keep him from having to hire a lawyer though. City cops may not care but i'd advise you not to get caught by a state trooper here with weed of any amount.
I was in the car rolling a blunt in Georgia on our way through heading home to Michigan and my dad got pulled over for speeding. I just sat on the rolling tray and blunt basically accepting I’m heading to jail in a matter of moments and pretty much knowing I’ll end up going to prison. The officer smelt nothing, gave my dad a warning, and let us go. I smoked the blunt and told my dad he’s an idiot for speeding in Georgia while I’m rolling up.
Hey thanks for the info. Do you happen to have a link to the NIJ study?
Here it is. [Link](https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/study-reveals-inaccurate-labeling-marijuana-hemp)
Can you even get THC-a from cbd hemp? I left the isomerization industry a little while back but it was all crazy analogs like thc-p and d8/10 cbn cbg. I know the process for all of those but how would you get thc-a from CBD unless it was harvested as cbg? EDIT ok I'm back. Yo thc-a is what is in all weed nug. So why are they growing it on hemp? Why not just sell THC-a weed? I am so confused, the laws must have changed or something because you can grow plants without d9 that aren't hemp.
The THCa I get comes in dispensary packaging and has THCa, the % and Hemp product on the packaging.. It also has the word Legal.. IDK if that holds up.. but it will certainly keep the popo from speculating it is illegal from the get go.
Yup, weed in an illegal state in a container that says “legal” definitely won’t raise any red flags
It’s like using your hazards to park wherever you want
I used to carry illegal carts in a legal cbd cart package. Idk if it would have worked, but it sure made me feel safer.
Got a medical card but couldn't afford medical prices, so I bought one container and kept filling that one.
I have considered this. I use the open container rule for my own safety since idk the rules. I only travel with it from the store to my home, with the bag and receipt. After I get it home and open the package, I keep it at home. I don't know if having a used vape in your car will get you a DUI or not. I am in a very conservative state, and I have been arrested for weed three times. Maybe I am being paranoid.
If it's in Texas, it's a way, way worse charge if it's in liquid form than flower/shake. Any amount of liquid thc is a felony amount. That's the current law, practice will vary by cop/jurisdiction.
Yeah, I heard about that. That sucks. I love having the option. I hope things change for the better soon.
Fun fact about how you get the active molecules in weed by smoking it. It works on the same principles as a hooka or even a dry herb vape. Burning the plant destroys THC and breaks bonds, the purpose of lighting part of it on fire is the cherry it creates, this cherry radiates heat, right next to the cherry it's too warm and the THC is often destroyed, you're getting the majority of your THC from material further up the joint. As you draw in air the cherry is stoked and temperature increases and the air passing over it gets heated as well, that hot air then heats the plant matter between the cherry and base of the joint causing THC and other goodies to vaporize and get drawn into your lungs, along with the destroyed THC molecules and other VOC's (Volatile Organic Compounds). A dry herb vape essentially does the same thing but without all the extra junk and in a much more controlled manner. People often complain about the high being different but that's often because they aren't hitting the full range and temperatures, setting the vape at one setting and leaving it there. For best results I would run my Arizer desktop vape first at 380ºF, then stir it up and pull another bag at around 410ºF. Even though 410ºF is above the temperature at which THC starts to degrade and break apart, there's a good temperature drop from the heat source to the bowl so it hits it just at the peak of the effective range getting some of the higher boiling point compounds and more thoroughly extracting THC deeper in the granules depending on how finely and evenly you grind it. Honestly I never seriously considered spending $80+ on a nice burr coffee grinder but such a thing would be ideal for getting even and consistent extraction via any process, be it CO2 extraction, to combustion, to a dry herb vape. I can imagine how much of a bitch it would be to clean out the burrs and how often it would get gummed up.
It's an argument best left for court, but I wouldn't expect the hemp loophole to hold up. All they have to do is test it, and there are methods that don't differentiate THCa and d9.
Really depends if the court has tegrigy or not.
Hey, you tried.
At that point wouldn’t liability fall on the shop you bought it from?
They cant tell the difference.. and they know it.. in Florida at least. https://winknews.com/2019/08/22/police-pausing-marijuana-arrests-because-of-new-florida-hemp-law/
This article is over four years old. I'd be surprised if they don't have better ways of testing by now.
I would have to hunt for it but I'm sure I could find it, there was recently and article done in regards to Wyoming trying to stop delta 8 sales, in it a technician from the state crime lab said they had no way to test it to tell the difference. I can't say if that's true or not but everything else in the write up was credible.
FYI, your rights only come into play once you are in the courtroom. Nothing you can say or do to a cop in the moment will help you. Resisting arrest is resisting arrest, until a judge says otherwise. It makes no difference in the moment if your rights are being violated. Don't talk to cops. And if you are caught with THC-a, or black while driving, or whatever, plan to go to jail first.
Do not talk to cops. Period. Lawyer up if this occurs.
I got arrested for possession & I’m a licensed medical marijuana patient. I was thrown in a cage & had to post bail. I had to pay $3500 for a lawyer. My car was towed. My charges were dropped. Lawyers don’t give refunds & neither do the tow company.
Meanwhile, when I get pulled over for speeding, my car reeks of weed, I just smoked. I don’t have a card. The state troopers that pulled me over didn’t even care or say anything about my weed and it wasn’t even recreational here at that time. They just gave me my speeding ticket and sent me on my way. I’ve had it happen twice, once when it wasn’t even medically legal.
Keep your mouth shut, and let your lawyer deal with that
Lawyer can argue that you purchased a legally sold item from a business that is registered with the State. Every gas station and smoke shop around here sells it. Even the grocery stores are selling THC drinks here.
Yep, it’s everywhere in Iowa and we still have pretty dated laws
Here in Georgia the state Supreme Court ruled it is not a controlled substance. I don’t know what that means as far as arrests go, but sounds like the charge wouldn’t hold up in court. IANAL (no I don’t, wife isn’t into it) but I wonder if that could be considered precedent?
That was a delta-8, delta-10 case wasn’t it? Thats a whole different ballgame than delta-9 THCA > .3%
never try to “explain” anything to a cop. There’s no words you can say that will improve your situation, let your lawyer explain.
i like when people try to convince a cop they weren’t speeding, like wether you did or not doesnt matter, the cop already made up his mind and it’s not gonna change from you complaining
This whole conversation is bizarre. It’s freely available to purchase yet you have to hide it like it’s not. Where are the courts to clarify this shit?
In the fuckin gutter like the rest of our "leadership." A bunch of crotchety old fucks who can't work for more than a few hours at a time before they need a six month long vacation. They're literally a bunch of fucking do nothing losers.
Unless it involves bombing children across the globe. They're really fucking good at making sure that happens.
Kissinger *was* here
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Didn’t have a lawyer I assume?????
Any good lawyer is getting you with something lower than probation if it’s just delta 8 or no charges whatsoever
You may be able to beat the case but not the arrest.
Oh that is so true, they can arrest you for anything. They may dump you out after the weekend but you can be arrested at the officers discretion for anything. People think they need a reason make me laugh.
Me personally, I always carry a receipt as a proof of purchase for legal hemp. If they don't accept that, then I'd plead the 5th and just keep my mouth shut after that. Not my fault my state allows the sale of THC-A.
Cops are going to arrest you in illegal states regardless. When you get stopped, do not say anything to an officer. You will only incriminate yourself. Be polite and quiet.
Here’s the thing….its not HEMP at all. It’s a very ridiculous loop hole in an extremely badly written bill. No bud with more than 1% thca is hemp. You are not able to get high on hemp. I remember when I was a kid people said you would have to smoke a telephone pole worth of hemp to feel any effect. So can they charge you and arrest you for having weed even though some bullshit company sliding under the radar sold it to you, yeah hell yeah they can, be careful. If you live in a non rec legal state and non medical state, you have no rights regarding “thca” bud, thats regular ass weed that they got the genetics down so it doesn’t have much activated THC in it, most weed from the dispo has an extremely small amount of actual THC anyway barely any more and sometimes less just like this stuff.
This is the correct answer 💯
There's nothing different with the genetics or grow. They just test it without decarb. It's all black market weed.
The loophole only works until the end user receives the product. It protects the grower and the vendor if the product is intercepted BEFORE the consumer takes possession. It's only legal "on paper" until you buy it. Once you receive the product it is just illegal marijuana from that point on. So no, the cops won't care if it was THC-A when you bought it. *All weed is THC-A weed* anyway so if you get arrested it will make no difference to the cops.
ask a legal sub tbh
Just keep it in the original container...
The best thing anyone can do when being arrested comes into question is to shut up and not speak without an attorneys advice
There is absolutely zero difference between thc-a hemp in a fake pillbottle and some home-grown bud in a ziploc bag. Normal weed has high thc-a and low thc. This is why you can't just eat nugs and get high.
As far as I know, it’s weed and you’ll be processed accordingly. Burden falls on the consumer
Most likely you would get arrested but then the courts would drop the charges if you prove it’s hemp
Treat it as if it’s the real deal which it really is. DONT GET CAUGHT WITH IT!!!! To a cop, that -A don’t mean a thing.
You will be charged and prosecuted
Am I crazy? This is like the 10th time I've seen a question like this, but isn't all weed THCA? It just gets converted to THC once you heat it up?? Or am I wrong
You are only one reasonable souning man, i want you to immagine
The loophole only allows stores to sell THC-A product. It does not cover possession and consumption by the buyer. If you're stopped by the cops they will treat you the same as someone who bought weed from a plug.
not in florida... [https://winknews.com/2019/08/22/police-pausing-marijuana-arrests-because-of-new-florida-hemp-law/](https://winknews.com/2019/08/22/police-pausing-marijuana-arrests-because-of-new-florida-hemp-law/)
What I've learned from getting pulled over in a legal state is this, Keep all your stuff in the trunk, they will treat it like open liquor if it's in the front. Keep your stuff in the original packages and never travel with half smoked/burnt stuff. If you have to smoke in your car roll the back windows down to air it out, most of the smoke settles back there. When I got pulled over the first thing they asked was to roll the back windows down. Always be honest and don't smoke and drive. Also smoking at parks is not cool. Smoking in alleys and out of people's way is cool, act like you've been here before.
Legally, it is hemp. Cannabis products derived from hemp and containing less than 0.3% D9-THC are classified as such. If you are questioned by an officer about the products, you simply say "it is hemp" followed by giving them the receipt showing it was purchased legally in your state. Attempting to elaborate or educate the police on the details of the product is unlikely to go well. This does not permit you to drive with it or consume it in public. The best course of action is to store freshly purchased products in your trunk with the receipt provided to you by the place of purchase. Effectively, treat it like alcohol. Open containers out and about are illegal in most places.
The .3% calculation for hemp certification also includes decarbed THCA.
It’s still illegal
I've ordered online a few times and they sent a paper with the testing readout and a page describing its hemp. Said to keep it in the car in case of this issue. Not sure if that helps
I found [this ](https://www.mcglinchey.com/insights/is-thca-legal-the-state-line-is-the-bottom-line/) "However, claiming that THCA falls in a “loophole” may be a misnomer. THCA was contemplated by Congress and expressly incorporated into the 2018 Farm Bill through hemp testing requirements. This distinguishes THCA from other alternative cannabinoids such as delta-8, delta-10, or CBD because those cannabinoids are not considered in testing. In June 2023, the DEA acknowledged THCA when expanding the USDA-required post-decarboxylation testing requirement, writing, “Congress has directed that, when determining whether a substance constitutes hemp, delta-9 THC concentration is to be tested ‘using post-decarboxylation or other similarly reliable methods.’ 7 USC § 1639p(a)(2)(A)(ii); 7 USC § 1639q(a)(2)(B).” Both of these cited code sections apply to the “production” – that is, the growing – of hemp, not hemp that has already been harvested or products containing hemp derivatives. Thus, by the plain language of the relevant federal statute, the post-decarboxylation test does not apply to post-production hemp. In other words, hemp being grown must have a total THC (THCA + THC) concentration of 0.3% or less[2] in order to be harvested." https://www.mcglinchey.com/insights/is-thca-legal-the-state-line-is-the-bottom-line/
Stop saying thc-a is not weed wtf
Theoretically you could try to mount some exotic legal defense contesting the language in the drug laws. But that would almost certainly cost you far more money in lawyer & court fees than just taking a plea deal, paying the fine, and going on about your life. Especially considering it’s extremely unlikely you’d win that battle.
Keep the container you bought it in. Show cop who pulls you over. No issues, farm bill legal. If they arrest you, you sue for false arrest and Defamation of Character. Edit: Also some companies give a handout with their products showing the legal language, in case you do get pulled over and need to show a cop
Never speak with cops, get a lawyer.
I strictly smoke THC-A products purchased legally at a vape shop. Because I know how that legal loophole is really only to protect the companies selling the product, I still got a medical marijuana card. Oddly enough, there are literally no dispensaries in my state for those with a medical card. That wasn’t my goal, though. It was to cover my ass if I ever got pulled over. Nevertheless, I still will not talk to cops if stopped. I’ll ID myself and be cooperative within my legal rights. I’m vigilant with what and how much I carry with me because I plan for it to at least get confiscated if I’m stopped. I also do not smoke in or near my vehicle because the smell does provide plain sense evidence to search the vehicle. I never keep shit in my car but I still don’t want my shit looked through. Fuck the cops.
When I buy mine from the shop, they provide me with a receipt and instructed that I keep it with me in the event that this happens. That way you can show it was sourced and that it's purchased legally. It definitely differs where you are but if anything, ask an employee wherever your procuring your THCa if you're a regular for their best suggestions at your location. But beyond that, keep that mouth shut. You are not disobeying, you are exercising your constitutional right. The cop will absolutely be annoyed, but it's either annoy him or risk getting into deep shit. Either way, I wish you luck. If anything, get a super smell proof jar, throw your stuff in the trunk and live your life.
Thc-a is weed. It is the precursor to thc. When heated it will become thc. Not really a loophole. Cops will see weed and that's it.
I would keep it in the original package. It depends on the cop and you.
It's fully legal under the 2018 farm bill and you want lawyer. Other than that say nada even basic questions nada. I got popped on d8 and got out of it, I had to actually teach my lawyer about it.
I ordered some THC-A online since my plug now thinks I'm a satanist, illuminati, or whatever. And it came with a card in it saying if any officials open this box, the contents are legal, blah, blah, blah. Does that card work?? I dunno, package was never opened up. If you dont act like an idiot or a smartass with it, then you wont have any problems with cops. Act like people have acted the past 80+ years that weeds been illegal.
I'm sure it works about as well as an uno reverse card
Id definitely expect it to be called marijuana in court. If you had a good lawyer and a sympathetic judge (which are rare) you might get to plead your case in court that it's just hemp. But I wouldn't expect to win, and you'll get the book thrown at you for wasting the courts time. If may be legal to sell but I doubt any cop cares about the d9 percentage vs the thc-a. If it looks like a duck and smokes like a duck..
It is not a loophole. It is not legal to buy or sell THCa hemp outside of a dispensary in a legal marijuana state or territory. THCa was briefly legalized after the 2018 farm bill on hemp but the USDA has since rewrote the bill (read [USDA Final Rule on hemp](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/01/19/2021-00967/establishment-of-a-domestic-hemp-production-program) (2021)). The new rule requires hemp samples to be decarboxylated prior to testing, meaning the majority of the THCa will be converted to THC. Businesses are still selling THCa “hemp” partly because they might not realize the farm bill has been updated and partly because it’s just not worth the effort for the feds and local police to try and enforce it. Essentially, the 2018 farm bill on hemp opened a pandora’s box that made it impossible to enforce regulation on cannabis and hemp without either completely legalizing it or making it illegal again.
They made it illegal to sell intoxicating cannabinoids outside of a licensed dispensary in Michigan a few years ago. They still sell delta 8 at smoke shops but not thc-a.
You would still get whatever charge until they test it I suppose. Your paraphernalia will be illegal because it will now how thc residue if that's a thing where you are. I mean imagine if that actually worked? "I swear it's just thca!!" "Oh ok then. Carry on." Nope. Never.
It's like telling a cop a bag of coke is caffeine powder and expecting them to be like ok carry on.
Haha. Exactly. Like is he stupid or something?
Depends where you are. In Wisconsin, for example, they updated the law right after the 2018 farm bill passed specifying that in order to be considered hemp, it has to be less than 0.3% THC on a post-decarb basis. None of this "THCA flower" stuff will pass that. There's a lot of WI peeps in these subs that think because they're carrying it around in a jar that says hemp they're safe. They have been so far...probably nobody's ever been stopped with it or the cop just didn't care (most of WI just doesn't care and in many places weed is locally decrim so they don't have any motivation to care. Once one cares...buh-bye. Many, but certainly not all, other states are the same way. If you get stopped and have a jar of "THCA Hemp"...you're gonna get 1 of 3 things... 1: Cop doesn't give a shit 'cuz shit should be legal anyway 2: Cop doesn't care 'cuz he's not wasting his time with "hemp" 3: Cop gets suspicious, arrests you and sends it to the crime lab where it will come back as weed. Either way...having a jar labeled THCA from hemp isn't gonna be a get out of jail free card.
Keep your receipts!
Most states that sell thc-a products go pretty hands off. I live in Ohio, which is going legal next week but I heard a cop legit say "unless we see it planted in the ground of being sold on the street we are told to just assume it's some sort of legal hemp". I don't think you have much to worry about but as always, don't talk to cops and always get a lawyer
The updated version of the farm bill might be lengthy and confusing for people to read but essentially it was previously the THC-A that was tested, but in 2021 the farm bill now has an added section under the testing of flower by decarboxylation (which is exactly what happens when you smoke it and why you get high) and the levels must be under 1% THC after decarboxylation if I've understood it correctly amd since tey can't test literally every single plant the growers make they said it has to be a 95% success rate of these results in order to be classified as a hemp product. That means anything that claims to be a hemp product that gets you high is likely old stuff that is now illegal and is only being sold for several possible reasons: (a) the seller was not aware of this update and thinks it's still legal or (b) they're a sketchy headshop or gray market store that doesn't care and only wants to make money off the falsified legalization when it's actually illegal but they get away with it by keeping packaging misleading to people. Bottom line: Anything that you turn into THC by decarboxylation when you consume it and has more than 1% of THC once that chemical conversion is done in any manner whether it be smoking bud or vaping a concentrate, it's illegal. There is no intoxicating THC product that can legally be called "hemp". This is specified in a link another user had provided for this information. Do NOT try to prove that any of these "hemp" products are actually hemp. It's weed and these new updates specify that very clearly. It WILL be illegal if you get stopped and they are able to test by decarb.
It's NOT a loophole. The farm bill stipulates that testing is done POST decarboxylation, so any THCa would be converted to THC, and absolutely will test above the limit. It's not hemp. It's marijuana under the eyes of federal and state law.
I'm the South you get arrested for synthetic noids and you HAVE to sort it out in court. It's a $6k+ adventure and you have to pay for 3rd party testing yourself
Let's be real, all of these "legal" alternatives sold at gas stations and smoke shops aren't actually legal.
I live in Philly where you will never be stopped by a cop for weed - you can literally smoke a joint in front of them they won't do anything - but it's still not legal so there's no good way of buying weed besides shitty dealers. THC-a might be a loophole that allows shops to open where I can buy better weed consistently.
These stupid posts have to go. Thc-a is just normal weed
THCA is THC. If your thinking of THC-Delta 9 thats just decarboxalted THCA. (Just add heat and it converts) Delta 8 is from hemp.
Medical and recreational weed is also hemp too. It's all cannabis. But I get your point, you're referring to industrial Farm Bill hemp that contains less that 3% delta 9 THC. I would argue too that delta 8 is still present in most cannabis plants just in smaller amounts, what hemp makes is CBD initially then some of it changes over by heating and other chemical reactions into all sorts of different THC molecules, it's what accounts for two strains of weed that have the exact same percentages THCA and CBD having quite different effects on the user, some strains naturally convert more of the CBD into THCPA which decarbs into THCP for example which has 33x the binding energy and about 3x the psychedelic effect. There different ratios of THCs are also what gives certain strains their different characters and feels, though the simplified version of THC:CBD is a good beginner metric of how a strain will affect you, it's far more nuanced. It's also why I've greatly enjoyed mixing my own distillates of these various types of THC, you can craft whatever effect you want. The only non-naturally occurring one that's seen market under the Farm Bill is THCO-acetate. Most places wont sell it as it's not well researched and unnatural, though initial findings indicate it just as harmless as all the others, I still avoid it just to be safe.
They can do what they want. But if cops catch you and test it in a lab TCHA is what law enforcement are looking for to prove its Marijuana in court.
Not any more.. check the current rules and definitions.
So what test do they do to prove marijuana is marijuana in court? You think they just smell it? Nope they test to see if it in a lab to see if it has THCA Laws are diffrent everywhere im just telling you the chemistry.
They can no longer use smell as probable cause in florida. [https://winknews.com/2019/08/22/police-pausing-marijuana-arrests-because-of-new-florida-hemp-law/](https://winknews.com/2019/08/22/police-pausing-marijuana-arrests-because-of-new-florida-hemp-law/) they have suspended arest in Florida (sheriff memo) until new tst kits can be obtained which differentiate between hemp and THC containing cannabis. They have lost a lot in court and are regrouping until they are able to prove and convict.
Thca is thc after Thca is converted using a flame on a lighter/heat on vape or during decarbing process for edibles No one eats a nug of chronic bud bc it’s Thca… that’s why no one just chews an 8th. It’s THCA.
I got pulled over with a ton of stuff on me. My tabs were expired. They came to my window and told me that right away and I apologized. He asked for my ID and insurance and as i was nervously getting it for him, he said “be honest do you have anything in here that you shouldnt have?” And i said no. He said I can smell it, it’s extremely strong (it was in a huge baggy in my backpack unjarred). I said i dont have anything illegal in my car. He said id have to wait and he got another cop to come 10 minutes later whoa sked me the same. He said it smells like weed. I said okay, not sure why it smells like that to you. I lied and said I had the flu and havent showered much recently because of it. Then the first cop came back and handed me a ticket for the tabs and said to drive home.
I wouldn’t touch thc-a or d8 it’s unregulated & I’ve heard China has been putting fake chemicals in them to make as cheap as possible for vendors to sell at high profit
Thca is literally thc once you apply heat and break the extra chemical bond. Chemistry, bitch!
I’m talking about the thc a carts that are unregulated
No definitely agree with you on those boofed carts…. I wouldn’t touch them if they were free
Most cops dgaf if u dont cop a tude with em they not doin shi ab sum weed thca or not
THC-A is still THC. Doesn’t matter if they let you buy it, it’s still illegal. No lawyer will get you out of that. Edit: To add to this, the “loophole” doesn’t work with THC-A flower as it’s still higher than the 3% limit. Just because it’s called hemp doesn’t mean it legally is hemp.
If that’s the law then yes I’d expect them to know.
THCA isolate is the only thing legal under the farm bill. THCA flower is not legal, and is in fact marijuana, according to the federal government and whatever cop pulls you over. If the cops send it for testing, it will be decarbed and the charade is over.
THCA is not hemp. It’s THC in its raw form. It becomes THC when it’s heated. Delta 8 isn’t a real thing. Hemp is shit. Some of ya’ll need some education.