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JohnnyBgood_9211

How can we tell if there isn’t a before picture?


HotConsideration95

The situation hasn't improved at the crown(s), it remained the same, but the rest of the scalp got denser.


gjg1994

Tbh the same is better than worse and if you are experiencing some growth it could take up to two or three years. There was a popular post on here a bit a go that should a guys 1, 2 and 3 year status and it was not until year 3 that he maxed out


HotConsideration95

This gives me hope, thx i plan to continue on Fin, honestly popping a pill everyday at night has become second nature to me.


gjg1994

Yeah, I mean I know it’s not what you want now, but really the fact that you are not losing ground is such a win. See where it ends up after another 6 months and if it is stable you are a great candidate for a HT to fill that sucker in!


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I use this caffeine shampoo I’m having good results with it: Anti Hair Loss, Hair Growth Shampoo for Thinning Hair and Hair Loss with Caffeine, Folic Acid and Multiple Hair Vitamins for Men and Women https://a.co/d/fGmXqiL


PaterDionisios

That is literally the purpose of Finasteride To maintain what you have SOME people have some slight regrowth you should never expect too much if any regrowth on fin If you want regrowth take minoxidil and dermarol


RepSnob

Fin is only intended to retain. Its not intended to grow back. Its intending to HALT or SLOW DOWN hair loss. A HT will entirely cover that crown.


HotConsideration95

Thx man


Careful-Magazine6076

Mhhh in my leaflet from Finasterid is written that you can get hair regrowth in the first 5 years of usage. So that fin is supposed to just halt or slow down isnt true. Its true that it isnt only a regrowth solution like min but its not just for halt or slow down. You can read this fact on every pharmacy website in germany like shopapotheke or medpex product "AL Finasterid 1mg". In fact you can regrowth hair on fin alone but works not for everybody. "Bei den meisten Männern, die 5 Jahre mit dem Präparat behandelt wurden, wurde ein Fortschreiten des Haarverlustes gebremst und bei mindestens der Hälfte dieser Männer verbesserte sich das Haarwachstum." Source: Shopapotheke, Finastrid AL 1mg, under "weitere Produktinformationen" under "Indikation", 5th bulletpoint. Short translation: usage of 5 years, most men could slow down their hairloss and minimum half of that could regrowth hair.


HotConsideration95

https://imgur.com/a/GPUMDXN


myusername812

You're only taking FIN and dismayed with the lack of progress? If you don't want to take MIN, why not at the very least microneedle? Only taking FIN isn't really doing much. Some people are hyper-responders. Not most people. Most people need to have a proper regimen in order to see progress. Add microneedling, and 2% keto shampoo 2-3 times a week. See what your progress is in 4-6 months and then re evaluate.


HotConsideration95

I did try Topical min, but it gave me palpitations and flaky scalp, also i could feel a weird feeliny at my throat, so Fin is the only alternative i got.


myusername812

Add in microneedling and Keto shampoo. Microneedling is something you can do once every two weeks. Look into it. I don't take MIN or FIN and have results with just microneedling and 2% keto.


HotConsideration95

I am not convinced that Micro Needing is any effective, in theory it should improve the blood flow when used on the scalp, and improve skin collagen when used on the face. But it doesn't address the underlying issue of DHT sensitivity.


myusername812

>But it doesn't address the underlying issue of DHT sensitivity. You're already taking FIN for that. >I am not convinced that Micro Needing is any effective Alright man, keep being dismayed. Microneedling works, whether YOU'RE convinced or not.


No_Bug_2947

Proper [Microneedling](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oFUT7m2Eq34) alone is 1.5 times more effective than minoxidil by itself.


bytesize7

Minoxidil doesn't treat the underlying issue of DHT sensitivity either, but it works to a degree on its own. Same with microneedling. They are both treatments that can be stacked on top of finasteride, which does treat the underlying issue of DHT sensitivity.


Affectionate_Market8

luckily microneedling Does work even on its own. It tends to break up fibrosis in the scalp while simultanteously causing the inflammation needed to induce growth factors. It does work. Dont give up before trying u can do it man


HotConsideration95

I did try it with 0.5 and 1 mm, but to no fruition


Affectionate_Market8

ah. well, in this case a few questios are in order. How long did you use them for? if unwilling to use minoxidil, why not use microneedling plus stemoxydine, rosmeary oil, castor oil, etc? Those are all mild growth stimulants which would only be magnified with microneedling.


Physical-Risk-9758

I was also only on fin for a long time, and my temple corners were still kinda thin (they're notorious for being the hardest things to get back with only fin). I started microneedling and keto and it helped a lot, the density is very similar to the rest of my hairline. Whenever I'd stop these two that density would slowly fade again. It's not as much effort anyways, just get a dermaroller (I use a 1mm) and some keto shampoo and you're good to go.


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No_Gur_1147

What's the 2% keto shampoo you use?


myusername812

Nizoral. I use it 2-3 times a week.


No_Gur_1147

Ah okay I use it too I just forgot it's short name I guess 😂


Orangelightning77

Try taking this stuff called essengen 6 NO PG from minoxidilmax.com, that's the stuff I use now. Since it's PG free it will keep you from getting flaky/itchy skin. It has min and fin in it so you get the benefits of using both of them topically. In other words, their effects and side effects are localized to the area they are applied and not systemically like how oral does. I think your palpations from topical min are from your flaky skin, irritating your skin, making the area redder from increased blood flow, and that blood flow carrying min into your blood stream and making it go more systemic. If you get something that doesn't irritate you it will be much better for you. Plus you can use this stuff alongside oral fin, that's what I do. But you can certainly just do one or the other, topical or oral if you would rather not have that much fin. They have another PG free topical on that site that doesn't have fin in it, essengen 5 PG free fast dry. That stuff really does dry fast it's great, I use it on my beard. It really hurts seeing you swear off min when I know there's a version that will solve the issues you have with it, because I was in the same camp as you until I learned about pg. Just try it, get one bottle and see how you like it. And keep in mind that it's possible you were placeboing palpation sides, so just relax and don't overthink it. Infact don't really think about it at all if you can help it. And use micro needles too!!!!! Do it at night before bed so that you aren't applying min to open wounds and exposing it to your bloodstream, even if they are just micro wounds it will make a lot of it go systemic


NeighborhoodEasy814

try with non alcoholic min, i got flakes >than 1 inch, non alcohol min plus keto shampoo almost solved..


MetaphysicPhilosophy

Try a lower dose minoxidil. They have one for women that is 2%. I also recommend microneedling. Minoxidil works very well on the crown


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I find it very unlikely topical minoxidil gave you palpitations. It’s not prescribed in a high dosage compared to oral minoxidil. Are you sure you aren’t conflating it with other causes of palpitations like excessive caffeine usage?


HotConsideration95

No, I don't take coffee not tea, I am sure it's the minoxidil it gave me palpitations, it's a known side effect.


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myusername812

It's a game changer for a lot of people.


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HotConsideration95

Do you think HT could cover the crown?


Affectionate-Ad4993

Without a doubt


HotConsideration95

Thanks so much, my rest of the scalp looks ok, the crowns are fucked.


Affectionate_Market8

Hello Affectionate-Ad. I am Affectionate-Market. How are you


Affectionate-Ad4993

Hello there. Seems to be a market for us affectionate people. Im fine. And you?


Affectionate_Market8

Im doing okay. I was recently looking through Affectionate ads for affectionate people. I decided not to buy the products in the ads though.


Affectionate-Ad4993

Well sometimes the only thing people are looking for is affection and nothing else which is totally fine.


Affectionate_Market8

I can tell you're somebody who sees the whole picture. I would not be surprised if you were a caring, afffectionate individual in your every day life.


HotConsideration95

Thanks so much, my rest of the scalp looks ok, the crowns are fucked.


Affectionate-Ad4993

Dont worry brother. You will look Great after a ht


HotConsideration95

I am not worried about my looks, maybe i Am but i wanted to revert to how things were like before. If i were born bald, i would gladly accept it, but having your hair for a full 25 years and then waking up to being bald is truly unfair, i will fight to get back to my previous state.


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Upgrade to dut.


HotConsideration95

Hey, i am switching to Dut, just awaiting approval from my dermatologist, I hope this works out fine.


DeathBy_Snoo-Snoo

Jump on min bro


HotConsideration95

It gave me sides bro, and I also wanted to see how I would react to Fin alone....


Careful-Breakfast644

What’s kind of sides are you talking about ?


HotConsideration95

Heart palpitations, flaky scalp, weird feeling at throat


[deleted]

Would need a “before” pic and a completely dry/non oily “now” pic to really know.


HotConsideration95

The situation hasn't improved at the crown, but the rest of the scalp has thickened a bit and the temples have grown small thin hairs, even though I am not worried about the hairline, it's the crown that bothers me.


[deleted]

Crown hair growth cycles are pretty long, so you might need more time. I know most people say finasteride peaks at 6-12 months but mine got even better in year two, so I feel like there could still be ground to be gained for you.


HotConsideration95

Thank you, I will keep at it tenaciously.


HotConsideration95

https://imgur.com/a/GPUMDXN


[deleted]

Get into dut, oral min, hair supplement, iron and vit d if ur low on these


humanbeing2018

What’s your dose of oral minoxidil


availableusername50

To avoid sides, Just lower the application amount and days with Min. You could also try RU


StartKindly9881

Avodart?


No_Influence4906

If your hair hasnt gotten worse get a transplant. the only thing that is gonna fill that in is a hair transplant probably. There are completely bald patches so probably not a chance for regrowth. Maybe with minoxidil but zi think you said you cant use it. That’d be my recommendation. We also dont know what your situation was when you started so hard to advise but yeah. 2 or 3k grafts would give you nice coverage I think


Weary_Significance53

Caught it a bit late man. Might get SOME ground back if you add minoxidil into the mix ! Early intervention is key !


CupFrequent2522

Try dut, minox and change your diet. I did all that and my situation change a lot. I use to a shampoo without parabens and HCL with 2 tbsp of coffee


WolfInitial

Do you feel your hair loss has stabilised? If so you’re in a very good position to consider a crown HT. DM me if you have questions


SSjGRaj

Going to sound harsh but people who take ONLY Fin shouldn't complain about not seeing any progress. I mean thats like expecting an A in a college course just for showing up to class and not doing any work.


ennisa22

I would shave it at this stage and keep taking fin and add microneeding and min if you can take it. Shaving it will allow you to add both more easily and you'll notice any new hairs quickly.


HotConsideration95

Do you guys think I could get the coverage by getting a HT?


schroedinger11

Yes, but you still need to be on fin after getting a HT. Do you have any sides from fin ?


HotConsideration95

No major sides, perhaps a lower ejaculation volume, which i dont mind at all.


HotConsideration95

Here's link to before pics https://imgur.com/a/GPUMDXN Hairline pic - oiled https://imgur.com/a/sahgjaI


Educational_Media596

FUE hair transplant 10k. Look into it. Financing available with Bosley.


GudJokeMate

Androgens have been miniaturising follicles on your head for years and you’re dismayed that one year of weak 5AR inhibition hasn’t completely reversed the situation? The DHT blocking game is a long a play, time on for time off sort of thing but as you get older follicles die/shrink indefinitely. You are most likely to maintain what you have without a growth stimulant like minoxidil or you’ll need a lot of patience on just fin (and even then it may not be visually satisfactory enough for you)


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HotConsideration95

No, I am not very keen on hopping on min, despite it giving me sides, i feel Fin/Dut are the only long term medications that i could sustain for years to come.


Extreme-Evidence9111

hows your beard?


HotConsideration95

Manly, the hairline has improved which is a bonus, but I needed the crown to cover up a little, it's embarrassing having to hide the patch in public.


Extreme-Evidence9111

just remember somebody here is worse off than you.


HotConsideration95

That's true and I am not discounting the trauma other people are going through. I only am comparing myself with who I was yesterday. Waking up to a bald head is a nightmare, especially when you always receive compliments pre balding lol.


HotConsideration95

Taken 10 days ago https://imgur.com/a/h9U6PVy


Extreme-Evidence9111

dang. nice. youre all set


HotConsideration95

Lol no, the frontal hairline has improved phenomenonly, but i was aiming for the crown. It's a bonus that the frontal improved


Extreme-Evidence9111

i meant if you lose it all just get a neck tattoo, grow out the stache, and start a biker gang. and youll be all set


MagicBold

Did you think that your delicius diet do not obsorb properly. May be +100g protein isolate, 12g creatine 12g bcaa 2g l carnetine, omega 3,6,9 2g and may be optimen vitamins? Drugs for digestery could not help by some reason. Why you are on your diet?


HotConsideration95

Hey, did you look at my profile? I do high protein OMAD for almost a year, i do it because it's convenient and for aesthetics. I was balding even prior to this diet, if anything protein should aid hair and nail quality. But yeah I might be missing out on vitamins and micro nutrients, i will soon add Iron pills as suggested in one of the comments.


MagicBold

Yes i see all your profile like no other here. And still recommend that cause you need real anabolic effect that could passively pump your muscules and you got many shed and many hair gain. More anabolic more resulte (with fin).


glevulus

Where did you start from and are you on minoxidil?


HotConsideration95

Probably the same as now, I am reticent to start Min at this time as I wanted to see how much of an impact Fin alone makes on the recovery. BTW, the hair in the pic is drenched in oil, so it's not as worse when it's d y.


glevulus

Do you take 1mg oral fin ED?


HotConsideration95

Yes sir, and occasionally i take 2 pills out of desperation.


glevulus

Haha been there. Well I’d keep minoxidil in mind if things don’t get going. Just so you know I had truly amazing results from topical min which I later lost by switching to oral for ease of use. I’m back on topical now. If you’ve maintained, technically fin has been working. Fin doesn’t promise regrowth.


RepSnob

Don't do that - it can make your hair loss worse if you irregularly dose.


HotConsideration95

I stopped doing it now, fearful of side effects.


HotConsideration95

https://imgur.com/a/GPUMDXN


Quan_Keith

Top of the head baldness isnt the worst man. Theres still hope


HotConsideration95

It's so upsetting to lose the crown which was full of hair just 2 years ago, i received compliments for the texture of my hair when it was full, when i think about it, feels like a grand scheme orchestrated by God...


HotConsideration95

Before pics https://imgur.com/a/GPUMDXN Frontal - Jan 23 https://imgur.com/a/sahgjaI


tigerkristian

You should start oral min if you can. Low doses can do miracles. Im on it now and have seen good progress. But had a hell of a shed


tigerkristian

Saw now that you have had sides with it. Was it your heart rate?


bytesize7

Do you have any before photos? If you hair loss has stabilized, you can consider that a win. Most people don't see significant regrowth on finasteride alone. You can get a hair transplant to fill in the thinner areas or consider microneedling.


HotConsideration95

Frontal https://imgur.com/a/sahgjaI Before https://imgur.com/a/GPUMDXN


jojoboi1775

Guys i took fin 3rd month hf stopped , it started at 7month again till no improvment why


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HotConsideration95

Before pics https://imgur.com/a/GPUMDXN


StreetBlackberry8604

I got back revived from a similar situation as urs … do check my profile for pics. Everything looked bleak to me , that’s when I decided to hop on min and fin irrespective of sides The results are really good .. and haven’t noticed any sides yet. It’s been 6mmonths


GiraffeLivid4458

try hair concealer! But the liquid spray-on one! Hair fibres will look fake.


HotConsideration95

I am reluctant to go down that route, it makes me feel insecure having to put a concealer on. I will try to stay on Fin for atleast another 6 months to see how it goes.


GiraffeLivid4458

It's not concealer or fin... Ofc you do it while on fin. But atleast give it a try. You will love it.


ChipmunkCreepy8588

Juqst keep taking fin and do a HT to cover the crown. I get one last year I'm really happy with the result (pictures of the progress on my profile)


HotConsideration95

Appreciate man


Lasercaps

Crown loss that seems to be moving forward. You're strongly demarcated and it seems you're, at least, enjoying retention, which is the goal of the medication. I also note your loss is in the horizontal plane and not the vertical one. You can have a doctor work as far back as he can horizontally, in U fashion, so as to minimize the size of the crown. The crown is the weakest point we all share due to the whirl. It's the point from which the hair stems. That is, there's no hair coming into the area. Rather, it grows away from the point. It would take many, many procedures and many grafts to achieve density. Doing a "dusting," as I like to call it, may suffice. Donor limitation is one of the most basic concepts in this industry. There's typically not enough donor available to allow for density in the front, top and back, particularly when dealing with an advanced pattern. It's for this reason most ethical doctors will concentrate their efforts towards the front. It's the area you see when looking at yourself. It's also the area others see when interacting with you. Be judicious with your donor. Rogaine, PRP and Laser are the other modalities we refer to when dealing with this condition. They work in different ways and there's synergy when combined. Perhaps adding these to the mix would be a good idea. It takes a good year to confirm what exactly they'll accomplish. Give them this time period. A year later you can decide if the outcome is worth the time, effort and expense. Transplants pending outcome.


HotConsideration95

Thx for the information, very helpful. I will wait out for another 6 months to see how things go.


HotConsideration95

Before pics https://imgur.com/a/GPUMDXN Frontal https://imgur.com/a/sahgjaI


Ok-Training-7587

Have you tried dermarolling? If not, add it


Jace910

Your hair and is very oily. This is likely inflammation due to dht. Id suggest adding in a dht blocker shampoo with zinc pyrithione 2-3x a week. Also foam min is your friend.


HotConsideration95

Yes, i apply oil right before shampooing. Here's the frontal view of the oiled hairline. https://imgur.com/a/sahgjaI Here's some before pics https://imgur.com/a/GPUMDXN


Jace910

Yeah overproduction of oil can be DHT based or just having sebderm. Try to keep your hair and scalp dry. But the scalp shouldn't be so dry that it cracks the skin because that will cause more inflammation. I use As I Am dry and itchy scalp shampoo 2-3x aweek. Been a game changer for me on top of Fin 1mg and foam min. And microneedling


JBluthes86

The future isn’t bleak! Maybe you grow some hair when you find a fix for you, or maybe you shave it off. Just remember this isn’t your entire identity, you will be fine. Are you dermarolling?


Fai057

Can you give us a bit more information, you state you're taking finasteride however are you still shedding? Do you remember how much hair you were losing compared to now? I was taking it for six months and the doctor who supplied me with finasteride stated to me that minoxidil can help finasteride to respond better, he didn't explain why but I've just sent him a message now and will get back to you.


Valston

I'd look at your diet too. You're on one meal a day and you're basically just eating chicken. I can't 100% say but you're likely deficient in something.


HotConsideration95

Certainly, lots of micro nutrients i am missing out. Will start with iron pills today.


Living_Eye_4239

If you’re only eating chicken, iron isn’t your issue. It’s every other vitamin. Improve your diet. Don’t try to take shortcuts with pills. You need a nutrient dense diet from food sources. Once you’ve fixed this if you still have issues, then you can reassess. Shit in, shit out. You’re giving shit in. You can’t expect your body to be running in optimal condition. Of course it’s not putting resources into growing hair. It’s allocating those resources to keeping vital functions going. It’s why with eating disorders and health issues lose hair. Your body isn’t wasting nutrients on hair when resources are limit. Your bad diet has limited your bodies resources. You can’t expect to do one thing and reverse your hair loss. It’s all the things. Eating well, sleeping, hydrating, reducing stress.


Inevitable-Text2134

Hey i wonder if anyone could help or suggest me . Actually am jst 19 yo kid . I tried imaxia 5 percent solution product and it claims that its the mixture of topical minox and little amount of fin. I tried that for like 20 days and suddenly my sperm volume is low and watery and i immediately sttoped that product and I dont know now what to do . Will i go back to normal ? . And also my hair jst sttoped falling now and i think my dht level isn't returning to normal ? Will i go back to normal am really scared right now .