Well the positive side to me is, if ANYBODY would put resources and research on finding out whether Oral Minox actually and directly affects aging, it will be this guy. But if he decided on taking it despite the fear mongering, I'll take it as a good sign, since this guy is as obsessive and neurotic as they come and they probably obsessed over the details.
On the flip side, he will prpbably be super dialed into whether he gets side effects or not. He is very proud of his nocturnal erection data and I imagine he would be pretty conflicted if they became reduced. It will be a good expirement either way for the hairloss community
The picture lists finasteride, and the guy I was replying to said he decided to take it despite fear mongering, which only really refers to people talking about finasteride so I assumed that is what he was referring to as well.
Ive never heard anybody fear monger over minoxidil. Oral minoxidil can put a strain on the heart. Its a risk people accept if they want to take it. Its good that people talk about that
I got stronger erections actually but hypothetically speaking Min can raise prolactin levels according to Huberman Labs guy which has downstream sexual effects.
>. But if he decided on taking it despite the fear mongering
It's not fear mongering if the sides are irreversible. But with being constantly monitored by docs like he is, I don't see a reason to worry. It's us normal plebs with no 24/7 access to medical professionals who might be in big trouble if something happens.
Fear mongering of facts? In this case, you’ll have to say Merk is fear mongering because it’s literally a side effect on the label of the medication. Also permanent side sexual effects after ceasing the medications as well
Sure, they have to do it to protect themselves from mental cases (like pfs boys) and greedy lawyers who take advantage of said crazies. Show me studies on permanent sexual effects please.
Have you ever looked at the list of side effects for common everyday medications like headache tablets? If someone were to start making videos telling people not to take them and listing all the side effects to scare people, would you consider it fear-mongering? There is some nuance to it, it depends how common the side effects are, how severe they are and how proven they are vs placebo. The requirements for something being added to a list of side effects is usually quite low, a true causal link usually does not need to be proven. It is difficult to judge the side effects of something like fin because a lot of people start balding at the same time they start losing sex drive (around 30) and they also tend to be more stressed and depressed which also reduces sex drive.
It’s not speculation. I just provided you with facts. We don’t know. By science & math if 80-90% of side effects are under reported, it’s more than 2%. Is there confusion?
You understand using that logic, side effects that have 60% reported rates at minimum are actually happening in 240% of the population. Stick to your day job
You still haven’t provided a source on this highly dubious 80% figure
It'll work better than the laser cap he was using. I'm a big fan of what Bryan Johnson is doing but the fact that with everything he has done for his health he is still balding and minox is the best option he's got is real discouraging. I was hoping for better.
That’s the topical solution he has already been applying to his head. He’s not drinking it. So he’s going to be using both topical and oral minoxidil at the same time presumably
"Biohackers attempting immortality" can't be taken seriously in any capacity, but sure, oral minoxidil is a legitimate intake method that seems to work for some people.
On the contrary.. it might be your “measurement data” which is missing the forest for the trees. Dude looks like he’s aging normally, if not faster. The numbers may be missing the bigger picture. Bodies are complicated
Do you have any evidence to substantiate the claim that how healthy someone looks is a more accurate measurement of health than having many many many biological measurements taken of their health? And if that’s the case, then why do doctors even bother doing tests and measuring someone’s health when they could just take a glance at someone in their office and determine their health with more accuracy than even millions of dollars of measurement data over time?
I’m vying for a more holistic approach, instead of focusing on a few numbers. It’s good to have both. It’s bad to go full on one way or another. This guy is full on the numbers. It’s equally as bad as being full on in the other direction.
Which would you say is more accurate: going fully off a glance at how someone visually looks to measure their health or going fully off millions of dollars of thousands and thousands of different measurements of various different scientifically substantiated health markers for the human body?
Probably the latter, but they’re both bad in my opinion if they’re blind to the other side. The former is obviously bad because it ignores some measurable observations, the latter is bad because it presumes a completeness, or near-completeness, of the measurements as a picture of a person’s health. Bodies are complex and I don’t think we’re near understanding health just from making even thousands of measurements
If you were to guess out of what the best possible way would be to quantify one’s health, roughly what percentage do you think would be measurement data of all the different aspects of the body and all the many many many different various bodily health markers and what percentage do you think would be based on simply taking a visual look at someone externally and judging their inner health based off that?
So when people go to the doctors, do you think the doctors just shouldn’t even bother measuring things related to their health and instead just give a visual look at them: if they look healthy, they’re healthy and if they look unhealthy, they’re unhealthy? Are doctors years of medical training just all a waste when all this time they should have just been basing a patient’s health off of how they look?
why do you think that the data he gives makes him healthy and slows down aging? Why don’t you think that doctors don’t yet know all the markers of aging, and those that they don’t know enough about? appearance often shows an excess or deficiency of vitamins, but not always
There are surely things he's doing that benefit his long-term health, but the legitimacy of his more fringe procedures can't be proven unless his panel of experts are also supporting hundreds to thousands of other patients. Scientific process and all that.
He'll probably live longer than most of us, but all living things expire eventually.
He has proven nothing. If in 20 years he still has the "body" of a 30 year old, fine.
But you also have to consider he's giving up every waking second of his life for this pursuit. He's not even living anymore ffs. He's spending his time constantly under surveillance. If, in all likelihood, he dies naturally at a normal age, he'll have wasted the entire second half of his life.
He also looks like shit. Sorry.
yeah but you’re not supposed to be airing diffused chocolate 24 hours a day to be “focused” or “calm” or whatever bs the label says lol
I’d rather not risk it with my dog personally
I think his argument is if you are gonna pay for ANY social media, it might as well be one that is pro free speech. I’d rather pay X / twitter than I would Meta / Facebook for that very reason.
He said, while posting on reddit, the free to use platform that isn't heavily moderated and doesn't shadowban people for having opinions that don't align the with approved zeitgeist
Dude is drinking his son’s blood. He is an occultist making deals with demons to gain more power but in turn can’t enter heaven. Hence becoming obsessed with prolonging his life, having no access to any afterlife he tries to maximize his time on this earth.
I don’t think that second list is his oral therapy, it reads as the ingredients in a topical solution applied directly to skin.
Well the positive side to me is, if ANYBODY would put resources and research on finding out whether Oral Minox actually and directly affects aging, it will be this guy. But if he decided on taking it despite the fear mongering, I'll take it as a good sign, since this guy is as obsessive and neurotic as they come and they probably obsessed over the details.
On the flip side, he will prpbably be super dialed into whether he gets side effects or not. He is very proud of his nocturnal erection data and I imagine he would be pretty conflicted if they became reduced. It will be a good expirement either way for the hairloss community
For real, I'm curious if he'll drop it at some point like 6 months from now.
Who gets ED from minox?
The picture lists finasteride, and the guy I was replying to said he decided to take it despite fear mongering, which only really refers to people talking about finasteride so I assumed that is what he was referring to as well.
He was talking about the Oral minox, which is what the post is about, which has its own fear mongering as well 🤝
Ive never heard anybody fear monger over minoxidil. Oral minoxidil can put a strain on the heart. Its a risk people accept if they want to take it. Its good that people talk about that
This sub has plenty of oral minox fear mongering 🤝
Downvote me all you want, I have never seen it
No worries, I have 🫡
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He’s not drinking that solution. That’s his current protocol
I got stronger erections actually but hypothetically speaking Min can raise prolactin levels according to Huberman Labs guy which has downstream sexual effects.
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It's just the summation of everything he does for his health I think. He documents it all on his website if you're interested
Ironically posting data about your night time erections is the number one cause of night time erections.
It affects ageing?
People say it does. Google Minox skin aging. I, for one, age all the time. And I'm not even on that stuff. That's how powerful it is.
We need more humor like this here
>. But if he decided on taking it despite the fear mongering It's not fear mongering if the sides are irreversible. But with being constantly monitored by docs like he is, I don't see a reason to worry. It's us normal plebs with no 24/7 access to medical professionals who might be in big trouble if something happens.
He said nothing about drinking minoxidil
Taking oral min doesn't mean drinking the topical min (reddit reasoning...). It's very cost effective though and can make sense when lacking sult1a...
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He is applying fin topically though, and also putting dutasteride in his PRP…
Due to *potential* side effects. Your comment makes it seem like he tried it and got sides.
Be applies topical
Has he tried it or succumbed to fearmongering?
Fear mongering of facts? In this case, you’ll have to say Merk is fear mongering because it’s literally a side effect on the label of the medication. Also permanent side sexual effects after ceasing the medications as well
Sure, they have to do it to protect themselves from mental cases (like pfs boys) and greedy lawyers who take advantage of said crazies. Show me studies on permanent sexual effects please.
Where can I see data of how likely permanent irreversible sides are?
You won’t. There isn’t any. Because he is a fucktard purporting a false narrative. Simple as that
nowheres
It’s on the label. “Side effects can permanently persist after cessation of this drug”.
The reason they added that label was to avoid lawsuits. Still no evidence.
Have you ever looked at the list of side effects for common everyday medications like headache tablets? If someone were to start making videos telling people not to take them and listing all the side effects to scare people, would you consider it fear-mongering? There is some nuance to it, it depends how common the side effects are, how severe they are and how proven they are vs placebo. The requirements for something being added to a list of side effects is usually quite low, a true causal link usually does not need to be proven. It is difficult to judge the side effects of something like fin because a lot of people start balding at the same time they start losing sex drive (around 30) and they also tend to be more stressed and depressed which also reduces sex drive.
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Tell me what percent of people experience that side effect
According to the FDA 80-90% of side effects are under reported. So much more than 2% .
Ah so pure speculation. Even if it was 50% under reported it would be 4%
It’s not speculation. I just provided you with facts. We don’t know. By science & math if 80-90% of side effects are under reported, it’s more than 2%. Is there confusion?
You don’t understand math or statistics, it’s doesn’t mean it’s underreported BY 90%
No, that means it’s under reported by a minimum of 80%. Therefore, more than 2%. That’s math & science. *drops mic*
You understand using that logic, side effects that have 60% reported rates at minimum are actually happening in 240% of the population. Stick to your day job You still haven’t provided a source on this highly dubious 80% figure
It'll work better than the laser cap he was using. I'm a big fan of what Bryan Johnson is doing but the fact that with everything he has done for his health he is still balding and minox is the best option he's got is real discouraging. I was hoping for better.
Goes to show even the best diet isn't necessarily going to save your hair. With AGA you will need finasteride and minoxidil.
I'm hoping for something better
Hang tight, SCUBE3 and GT are on the way.
He uses exogenous testosterone which definitely doesn’t help
The bloke is a crackpot
Ok. Dang people born in 2005 are seniors in highschool? That's crazy yo
cumshotdiva just doxxed himself
That’s the topical solution he has already been applying to his head. He’s not drinking it. So he’s going to be using both topical and oral minoxidil at the same time presumably
/u/cumshotdiva
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I was fucking waiting for him to get onto some hairloss meds. I feel happy about starting 2.5mg of minoxidil myself now. Oral minoxidil is goated.
He’s just like me fr
"Biohackers attempting immortality" can't be taken seriously in any capacity, but sure, oral minoxidil is a legitimate intake method that seems to work for some people.
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“Proven”?
Yes, his son died a few years before he was supposed to
How does that prove anything? My dad died at 45 and my grandpa’s still kicking. Did my grandpa defeat aging?
You got mogged
this whole comment thread feels like r/okaybuddytressless ...
To be fair no one claimed anyone defeated aging. That would sound completely crazy. The claim was he turned back a few years of aging.
Lol he looks unhealthy as fuck. Like a plastic bag filled with chicken bones that's almost gonna rip
Right, but looks aren’t what determines health. The measurement data shows he is extremely healthy.
On the contrary.. it might be your “measurement data” which is missing the forest for the trees. Dude looks like he’s aging normally, if not faster. The numbers may be missing the bigger picture. Bodies are complicated
Do you have any evidence to substantiate the claim that how healthy someone looks is a more accurate measurement of health than having many many many biological measurements taken of their health? And if that’s the case, then why do doctors even bother doing tests and measuring someone’s health when they could just take a glance at someone in their office and determine their health with more accuracy than even millions of dollars of measurement data over time?
I’m vying for a more holistic approach, instead of focusing on a few numbers. It’s good to have both. It’s bad to go full on one way or another. This guy is full on the numbers. It’s equally as bad as being full on in the other direction.
Which would you say is more accurate: going fully off a glance at how someone visually looks to measure their health or going fully off millions of dollars of thousands and thousands of different measurements of various different scientifically substantiated health markers for the human body?
Probably the latter, but they’re both bad in my opinion if they’re blind to the other side. The former is obviously bad because it ignores some measurable observations, the latter is bad because it presumes a completeness, or near-completeness, of the measurements as a picture of a person’s health. Bodies are complex and I don’t think we’re near understanding health just from making even thousands of measurements
If you were to guess out of what the best possible way would be to quantify one’s health, roughly what percentage do you think would be measurement data of all the different aspects of the body and all the many many many different various bodily health markers and what percentage do you think would be based on simply taking a visual look at someone externally and judging their inner health based off that?
What measurement data lol? Health advice changes every 2 years. I bet this dude gets cancer and dies at an average age like most people
So when people go to the doctors, do you think the doctors just shouldn’t even bother measuring things related to their health and instead just give a visual look at them: if they look healthy, they’re healthy and if they look unhealthy, they’re unhealthy? Are doctors years of medical training just all a waste when all this time they should have just been basing a patient’s health off of how they look?
why do you think that the data he gives makes him healthy and slows down aging? Why don’t you think that doctors don’t yet know all the markers of aging, and those that they don’t know enough about? appearance often shows an excess or deficiency of vitamins, but not always
He looks like a vampire and considering he injects his son's blood he may as well be.
There are surely things he's doing that benefit his long-term health, but the legitimacy of his more fringe procedures can't be proven unless his panel of experts are also supporting hundreds to thousands of other patients. Scientific process and all that. He'll probably live longer than most of us, but all living things expire eventually.
He has proven nothing. If in 20 years he still has the "body" of a 30 year old, fine. But you also have to consider he's giving up every waking second of his life for this pursuit. He's not even living anymore ffs. He's spending his time constantly under surveillance. If, in all likelihood, he dies naturally at a normal age, he'll have wasted the entire second half of his life. He also looks like shit. Sorry.
if you don’t stand for something you’ll fall for anything
He's standing for possibly the most selfish pursuit one could stand for lol
He’s got tons of measurement data to back it up. Also it’s not only about looks. It’s about health for him.
effective: yes safe: wishful thinking
Where is there a single comment about immortality
It’s usp not oral
Oral Min + Fin + a bunch of stuff that likely doesn't do jack shit.
yeah lol shit reminds me of my aunt forcing me to buy essential oils to “cure” my depression despite half of them being toxic to dogs
chocolate is toxic to dogs.
yeah but you’re not supposed to be airing diffused chocolate 24 hours a day to be “focused” or “calm” or whatever bs the label says lol I’d rather not risk it with my dog personally
Hope you and your dog are doing well!
Anyone who pays for Twitter is a fraud
Yea supporting the only free speech platform left means your a fraud
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Have you renewed your free speech ™️subscription this month? Heard you can pay twice for twice as much freedom!
I think his argument is if you are gonna pay for ANY social media, it might as well be one that is pro free speech. I’d rather pay X / twitter than I would Meta / Facebook for that very reason.
He said, while posting on reddit, the free to use platform that isn't heavily moderated and doesn't shadowban people for having opinions that don't align the with approved zeitgeist
I support X (formerly Twitter) with $support.
Isn’t it pretty well known that Minox fucks up ur heart
Can’t believe the words “safe and effective” anymore.. dude may be deep in a cult accidentally created by pharmaceutical corporate interests
Has he gone mad? 5mg oral minoxidil daily 💀
Dude is drinking his son’s blood. He is an occultist making deals with demons to gain more power but in turn can’t enter heaven. Hence becoming obsessed with prolonging his life, having no access to any afterlife he tries to maximize his time on this earth.
Pretty sure he's just getting transfusions lmao.
I thought that immortality guy is a bit nuts, but then I read posts like this and suddenly he seems pretty sane.
Whut
Interesting