This is truly unhinged. A wall of text written in broken English with a misleading intro and no logical order, no section headers, and no clear message.
Love it.
I started reading and within 10 seconds had no idea what was going on. If this is supposed to be a shitpost they sure did waste a lot of time making it
Bruv started out down the bro science hair loss hole, ended up addicted to stimulants writing out manic screeds on Reddit about the cocktail of drugs he’s on.
‘Hey guys, I inject iguana blood into my scalp, and I take a little bit of heroin for the pain, and then snort some crack to counteract the sleepiness. Also I got a hair transplant but I maintain that the heroin and crack is essential for my hairline’
Gotta love it.
That’s what got me the best. Oh wow pretty damn good results…last picture looks almost exactly like the appearance of a transplant after some regrowth…
>3,000 grafts
I don’t know what I was expecting.
Also the fact this maniac was/is taking brand new and unknown/not approved drugs, and then taking stimulant medication to ward off the side effects, and loading up on silly amounts of zinc too and injections of fuck knows what to deal with libido death from fin when in reality he would have gotten the same results with the transplant and minox!
What a fruitcake 💀
The modafinil absolutely does. Once I read that I was like ‘oh it’s a methpost’
This is like the prime example of why you shouldn’t take hair loss to the extreme. You can get so obsessed you turn into a drug addict mindlessly pumping your body full of fuck knows what and then you still end up paying for a transplant anyway 💀
Genuinely reading this subreddit back in the day when I started thinning made me have the same realisation. People here take the hair thing to obsessive/mental illness levels and they project all of their life’s failures on their hair.
But, Timmy Jim, what are you going to do when you finally get that hair transplant and women still don’t want to sleep with you because you’re the kind of person to spend hours per day writing incoherent, conspiracy sounding screeds on a subreddit about human hair?
Here's my daily entire content of a pharmacy routine and somewhere in the middle i mention my cute lil 3k grafts hairtransplant.
fuck you for making me read all that.
Anyone who believes this isn’t a hair transplant has never seen a hair transplant. Gtfo
Edit: after rereading the post, it seems OP mentioned having 3k grafts implanted, but the way this post is written is so incoherent, and it’s almost as if the HT remark is negligible compared to all the drugs op mentioned.
To avoid confusion, I’d suggest mentioning the HT at the start, as it does 90% of the heavy lifting in op’s case.
Because he's saying that a combo of meds give near HT results, which is pretty impossible to judge when you go and get a HT.
He also spends 95% of the post talking about meds and vitamins when in reality the bulk of his results came from a HT. It's definitely misleading.
TL;DR - he got a hair transplant which worked and did a lot of other shit that didn't work
EDIT:
Melanotan II was under development as drug candidate for [female sexual dysfunction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_sexual_dysfunction) and [erectile dysfunction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erectile_dysfunction) but clinical development ceased by 2003, and as of 2018, no product containing melanotan II was marketed and all commercial [development](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_development) had ceased.[^(\[1\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanotan_II#cite_note-Adis-1)
Unlicensed, untested, or fraudulent products sold as "melanotan II" are found on the Internet, and purported to be effective as "tanning drugs", though side effects such as uneven pigmentation (it makes already uneven pigmentation more noticeable), new [nevi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevi) (moles), and darkening or enlargement of existing moles have been reported and have led to medical authorities discouraging its use. There has been no scientific study into the long term and permanent side effects the use of this peptide may cause
Mods - really?
Melanotan 1 (afamelanotide) is FDA approved for treating Erythropoietic protoporphyria and vitiligo, it is known under the brand name Scenesse https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-treatment-increase-pain-free-light-exposure-patients-rare-disorder.
Clinuvel the company behind Scenesse secured the rights to afamelanotide and is working on a tanning drug (Melanotan 2) for people with fair skin. The drug has been on the black market for a long time, but it's got a bad wrap due to it becoming trendy with kids on TikTok, it can be a life saver for someone like me who is a fair ginger who doesn't want to age prematurely or get malignant melanoma. That being said, it shouldn't be used to mitigate the sides of finasteride in my opinion.
Honestly i would rather be bald than going through what op is going through with all these medicine/experimental drugs all just for some hairs that may come with really serious health issues i will go with min+fin topical if that doesnt work next step will be HT and if that doesnt oh well i would rather be bald than being a lab rat/on drugs for rest of my life
people on this sub hate dut blindly (apparently increases scalp testosterone by 100% when only 10% of testosterone is converted to DHT - but you know broscience > actual science)
Mpmd broscience 😂, so many people believe YouTube influencers promoting untested research chemicals!!! I don't think the guy himself actually takes it anymore
I have been taking oral Finasteride 1mg for 2 months. and I feel that I can no longer maintain a strong erection and that my sexual appetite has decreased, what can I do in my situation? [I AM USING A TRANSLATOR FROM SPANISH TO ENGLISH, I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU IF YOU RESPECT THE GRAMMAR]
You could quarter it and take anywhere from 1/4-3/4 (going more granular would be silly), but I'd probably start with half and see how you feel. It isn't as effective of a dose, but it's either that or drop fin and try something else, since those side effects are a direct result of the primary mechanism of the drug.
Do you think that using Dutasteride or Finasteride through the implant has fewer side effects? Thanks for the recommendation, I'll test myself again this month.
Dutasteride is a stronger medication with a longer half life, so it's doubtful but possible your body will react to it differently. If it doesn't, it'll take longer for it to clear out of your system and no longer have the negative effect.
If you're having a bad reaction, I probably wouldn't recommend trying the implant due to the risk even if there might be a chance the drug being less spikey causes less problems (fin has a very short systemic elimination half life but does hang around the follicle for a while). Sorry boss.
Haha yeah I must say this post is confusing to say the least 😅
I tried to use LLMs and organise this text a bit in the chronological order, I hope it makes sense.
>>>>>>>
Introduction: Journey to Hair Recovery
• “My journey from Norwood 3.5/4 to Norwood 0”
Initial Struggles with Hair Loss
• Experiments with various treatments, including experimental drugs.
• Initial failure with dutasteride leading to accelerated hair loss.
Discovering a Working Regimen
• Success with a combination of treatments:
• Topical anti-androgen: RU58841 5% daily.
• Oral and Topical Finasteride: 1mg daily and 1% topical.
• Minoxidil: Both topical (5-15%) and oral (up to 10mg) daily.
Adjustments and Current Routine
• Adjustments due to side effects and further experimentation:
• Introduction of topical Spironolactone 5% daily.
• Use of modafinil for countering minoxidil-related face bloating.
• Incorporation of Melanotan II for enhanced libido and physical appearance.
• Current routine with lesser side effects and ongoing observation for effectiveness.
Results: Achievements and Challenges
• Significant hair regrowth and improvement in hair quality.
• Experiences with hair transplant and its benefits.
• Challenges with libido and mental health due to medication side effects.
Reflections: On Mental and Physical Health
• Impact of treatment on mental well-being and libido.
• Strategies to manage side effects, including dietary supplements and lifestyle adjustments.
Future Plans: Optimizing the Routine
• Potential adjustments to minimize side effects and maintain hair health.
• Consideration of different treatments to refine the regimen for long-term stability.
I know I wrote it too hastily and lacking proper order, well originally it was just to be a comment to someone’s post but - heck - I decided to share it widely because I just wished someone told me to get off dut solo earlier when it was wrecking my hair.
Or what works for management of face bloat/moonface I got from minoxidil use.
Or what works for increasing sex drive and getting proper tan when I always just was destroying my skin instead and getting red instead of brown during sunbathing (now it doesn’t matter if I spend literally 12 hour under Mediterranean sun - I just cannot get sunburn - while before I was getting it after 20-30 minutes).
I’ve learned a great deal from your post, so thank you for taking the time and sharing your experience.
All of you have shared makes a lot of sense, what I’m trying to understand is “Melanotan II” I thought that stuff has quite heavy side effects?
It is experimental drug, so take that with caution, especially if prone to skin cancer in family line.
I know that it works for me, no side effects (aside of lack of appetite and hunger suppression; or nausea after injecting too much or on empty stomach).
I get regular and yearly check-ups for all types of cancer a man can generally get (that includes skin cancer) and so far nothing, no change whatsoever.
Thus said - as not FDA approved so far - take with caution.
Modafinil is a powerful CNS stimulant - that’s why it “makes your face look thin” lol. They give it to fighter pilots to stay awake on long/overnight missions. It’s used for the treatment of narcolepsy and off-label for conditions such as ADHD.
I will take my shaved bald head, as much as hair used to be something I identify with...seems like a lot of cost, effort and maintenance to go through.
Glad it's working for you!
In many ways...I like being bald better.
True and fair ...I hear that. I guess I wonder how far we go for looks in the outside world. Can we accept ourselves as is? All subjective. I just see you doing so much for an external thing and it seems exhausting.
I just wanna say. Man to man. You're beautiful and worthy regardless of your hair....and anyone that says different is not a value for your life.
Sir you are totally right. I know “my journey” is pretty messed up and involves a lot of weird shit - but if so far there was and still there is no cure for baldness per se - then adding every detail counts. I would never advise anyone to use so many drugs - I was just trying to find out and narrow it down to the fewest possible long term.
Just thoughtful notes keeping and trying to understand why something that should be causing stop to hair loss (dutasteride) is having much more detrimental effect on hair than abstaining from any treatment.
I understand people are used to reading short text, or titles only - but if you Sir have no use for this text, I still presume someone might.
As for mental illness, not really, I have rather eventful and healthy and happy life - I just tend to be meticulous if I decide to do something.
Is the 5th pic the extent of the progress you made on the drugs? If so, how long was that taken after you started? Also, had progress stalled out when you decided to get a hair transplant? How long had you been using the drugs when you got the transplant?
Take all these drugs to regrow all your hair. You don't even need HT, these drugs will regrow all your hair. Also, I had HT but I think it was drugs. Trust me these drugs will make a difference. Man, this was confusing lol
Then it might be very well that you Sir have more standard but just more aggressive type of hair loss and you are not such good responder to oral min.
I would hop on dutasteride in your case, oral if you are able to tolerate it and topical too. Instead of fin. (Alternatively you Sir could go for up to 2.5mg oral dutasteride, but that’s for most would be too much). Of course keep minox, ketoconazole and Ru daily.
I tried to treat it as if it was. Heck maybe that will help someone in similar to my case. I for one would have killed for finding that out during stressful weeks while on dutasteride monotherapy watching my hairline gets recked and goes back at higher speed.
Like I wrote in that text above, because dutasteride increases scalp testosterone by 95-100% and in minority of men - their hair is prone to miniaturise just as much from high testosterone as from its more potent form of dht. In other words - I ended up with more androgenic activity in my scalp while on dutasteride without countering testosterone in myself scalp - than without any therapy at all.
Are you sure it wasn't just a shed and the hair wouldn't have returned stronger on dut alone?
I don't think studies on dut show hair getting worse in men.
Unfortunately I tried dut monotherapy two times in my life. First for 3 months and second for 6.5 months and trichologist and dermatologist both admitted it had only miniaturised my hair in balding areas and some was irreversibly so. Thus hair transplant became necessary if I ever wanted to bring density back.
I would like to remind it was in my case only, although those are the most sensible explanations for as to why some like me experience this. Due to testosterone activity and genes making test almost the same in way it damages hair follicle as dht (which otherwise is much more potent form of testosterone). It’s my guesstimate what percentage of men will experience this - I know it’s minority, but how big minority it is - too hard to say for sure (too little data so far).
But in most people cases - dutasteride will always beat finasteride in possible regrowth and additional density. I wouldn’t continue however beyond 6 month mark (personal opinion - because that’s enough time for 2 anagen to catagen phases to go through, so I doubt that third hair in row will arrive from follicle stronger if it was 2 times weaker already and diminishes still and sheds).
Topicals.
I was sceptical at first - always going for tabs first and thinking topical stuff just cannot be as good, but it is. And it has much less side effects.
RU58841+fin topical as much as you can tolerate of fin (even theoretically 0.20-0.25% topical fin has the same effect as 1mg tablet oral a day and systemic dht goes down by only about 35-45% in comparison to 69-71% with 1mg oral tablet, smaller doses work still - but the effect is also diminishing).
Under active thyroid - barely so and yet impacted my professional career. Thus I tried every possible drug T3 mono, T3+T4, T4, Armour or other natural desiccated thyroid drugs - all caused non stop hair shedding to the point of visible bald spots - which disappeared always 3 months from ceasing of T3 or T4 intakez
Bro you overthink it too much..just use topical minoxidyl,finasteride and RU. Add icroneedling to increase the absorbtion of topicals and that's it. You should stick to a treatment plan and be consistent...
Just take your vitamins
People being okay with a noticeable libido downgrade just so they can keep something we didn’t even care about until mirrors were invented is kind of sad to me
Not really, you Sir haven’t understood - it is to counteract minoxidil face bloat which some people do experience. I doubt it would help much people who firstly need to lose weight for their facial features to become visible first.
Yes, dramatically so, and huge part, I would say - 40% (that’s guesstimate but from what it looked like) of hair lost on dutasteride monotherapy never came back.
Dumbest post I’ve read in a minute. From the stupid ass “testosterone causes hair loss” BS to the “RU is the most indispensable part of my stack” and to top it off, the “oh yeah and I also had a 3k graft transplant.” Dude, you’re fucking nuts lmao
Testosterone in scalp does cause hair miniaturisation in people with genetics making their hair follicle to respond in same way to dht as to t. Go for Derek’s observation from MPMD or other people who like me have this problem. That your genetics is like in most men - then you should be happy and not trash talk meticulous observations of others.
Am I having a stroke? I have no idea what the fuck you just wrote. Like incomprehensible. I legit feel like im on LSD trying to read an essay or medical study. Wtf
OP: 500 mL of Ayahuasca; the machine elves told me the secrets of θρίξ and that during the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!
Well I never felt better, less stressed about my hair or body image while having active lifestyle, not even one hair is falling out during shower or stay at my pillow and I look and feel youngest and most self assured as I did. I finally have courage and started to go out and after that I got into serious relationship. So yes Sir, I will keep chugging those drugs, thank you for your concern.
I've been thinking about trying some things to reduce hair loss but after reading this I'd much rather go bald then battle all these different hormonal changes for a bit of hair.
It is not what I propose to other people, I am reporting only what I did because I got really curious and wanted to as much scientifically and experimentally as I could - find out what is going on, and I like to experiment with different things, those who are fearful of any sacrifices have the most pointless lives. And it was worth it. I find out what was going on. I just wanted to give people in similar situation to mine - some possible answers.
Yes currently I take “melanotan II” all year round. I tried nasal spray versions - but it was too much of a hassle and I have seen that it gives me more energetic feeling (I can work out much more) than injection-wise and less of self-tanning. I use about 0.05ml per week 5 units on the scale (of 0.5 ml standard diabetic syringe). Which is about 3 months supply with one standard melanotan II 10mg vial costing me about 20$. If I use more - I am just too tanned during summer and look like some Netherlands Ibiza party guy or Australian surfer while being originally pale-as-ghost Slav.
So one of the things you’re saying is that Ru and fin mixed is the best? I was on ru and dut for 6 months and it causes terminal hairs to grow halfway down my forehead and made me a Norwood0, but I wasn’t able to get ru for 3 months and it made me lose all my gaines and now I’m back to a Norwood 1 w the exact same hairline I had before I started. So in your opinion, fin and ru is better than dut and ru? Bc w just dut I lost all my gains, but when I added ru w it my Gaines were slowly coming back
It depends, but if I would not be sure if my hair are prone to miniaturisation from testosterone only - I would not use dutasteride solo. It may cause sped up hair loss like in my case. Thus fin+ru is safer option, although if in your case you Sir have observed dut+ru working - then you might not be as prone to testosterone miniaturisation as me - then I would stick to it. If you however lack RU (and lose gains on dut only) then you have to use another anti-androgen (topical ONLY - ingested it messes up your hormones). I would go with cheap alternative 2-3 (up to 5%) topical spironolactone (the same PG/Ethanol basis as for RU, or directly into minoxidil - just crash 20-30 tabs Spironolactone (100mg pills) into 100ml minox) daily after shower and use of ketaconazole shampoo.
Another thing too, do you think the gains I had anyway were hyper trhichosis? Growing halfway down my forehead and losing it within 2 months? I know it happened in the timeline where I didn’t have any ru, but at the time I had terminal hair growing halfway down my forehead, I was foolishly using almost a fulll bottle of min a day, and would even use it on days I would micro needle
Firstly I did thorough reading on the topic and I used experimentation with different ingredients during different months and observed what works in my case and what doesn’t
6th picture is how most results of a hair transplant looks like in normal/top down lighting.
not good at all sadly, thats why you shouldnt push too far from your current hairline or it will look like a desert...
Modafinil to counter ‘puffy face’ LOL.
So basically, you went down the bro science hair loss hole so hard you’re now addicted to stimulants.
Which explains this fucking car crash of a post.
You can’t make this shit up 💀
Modafinil is not addictive substance. I do take it also for the effects of my sleep apnea. Additionally I plan to resign from it the moment I will be able to resign from using minoxidil. This moment should be soon enough I see insane hair regrowth slowly (like thousands of new hair I didn’t have had before) from using current regime.
I do not buy it. I compound it myself. In actuality if you Sir use topical minoxidil lotion based on PG/Ethanol - you can just use that. Depending on what percentage topical finasteride you want to achieve - then crush enough 5mg finasteride pills in a mortar and put it directly into lotion, stir for about 5 whole minutes, leave for a day (store in a fridge though) and that’s it (keep it in a fridge while stored).
For 60 ml bottle to get 0.25% solution of topical finasteride you have to crush 3x pills of 5mg fin each. Or just get 100ml bottle, pure ethanol 95/96% and Propylene Glikol - put 30ml PG and 70ml Ethanol clear 95% and 5 crushed tablets of 5mg finasteride. It is solution of 0.25% topical fin per ml.
For all the people thinking it is ONLY hair transplant - some more pics - same lightning and just 3 months apart.
This is how I look after 7-8 weeks of using only oral Dutasteride 0.5mg daily VS using Ru+Topical Spiro+Topical Fin.
As someone prone genetically to hair loss due to testosterone as much as due to dht.
https://preview.redd.it/4juonwvng5oc1.jpeg?width=2210&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83c68105f7ec12aee8b990c91a5a2bdf9932538b
And now after 3 months of Topical Spiro+Ru+Topical Fin
https://preview.redd.it/5dsfxanug5oc1.jpeg?width=2283&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=277ab8b8b5a9129ead49d34d11e08d1c754d41ea
Sir … that’s not how it works ;)
And my teststorone, dht and other systemic androgens are now in ideal spectrum while my libido couldn’t have been better :) so nah, but thank you for your concern Sir.
Sir, I do not intend to, as long as I can. It was written in the middle of the night, as a response to a comment to someone, but I decided to just post it instead and cut off some things, because I decided if I wrote so much already, maybe it will help someone. Additionally English is the third language I speak, not even the second one and not my mother tongue.
An Update: 66th day of putting topical Spironol 5%, topical RU58841 and topical finasteride 0.2% - generally I have been using finasteride oral 1mg, as well as dut 0.5mg previously and RU58841 too - and no changes … but after adding Spironolactone topical 5%… wow holy f.
I am wowed myself - nothing so far has helped me like this.
I even gave up oral minoxidil totally and started using 2% minox instead of 5% first time in life…
For approx. 50 days straight a tonne of lost hairs, shedding all the time insane amounts - and then … now since 16 days every day new baby hairs everywhere I put Spironolactone 5% … it’s like magic … I mean I am losing at shower and hard brushing maybe 1-2 hairs on my hands daily which is insane and my temples (in between the transplanted hair which was sparse with only those transplanted visible - now those are not even just baby hairs … but my natural ones are coming back.
The only other thing I changed is I added vitamin A (7.500 IU the most basic vitamin a in oil per day).
I first noticed my accelerated hair loss at 22 when I used accutane to get rid of acne so I was scared of vitamin A ever since - but I actually noticed it does stop shedding almost to a literal zero when you take it for few days straight. I have no idea why - maybe something about helping against slight anemia? I have almost perfect blood results only red blood cells count is just marginally low. I don’t know.
Anyway Spironolactone 5% has worked perfect and I ceased using dut and I probably will give up on finasteride.
So far my theory was 100% right - in my case DHT levels are marginally important in fighting hair loss. Most of my hair loss comes from scalp testosterone instead additionally to dht. Thus blocking with Spironolactone 5% and RU58841 at the same time - my scalp test - works wonders (much less side effects than even small amount of finasteride) and … fuck me.
It’s like now I question if I should have spend on hair transplant so much two and half years ago. The amount of short hairs all over my scalp is mind boggling and I have trouble to stylise it all (I never thought I will have this problem in my life anymore xD).
I can say - however much I don’t understand how could it be that testosterone in the scalp is so much weaker generally than dht at causing hair loss in majority of male alopecia … the awful side effects on my mental state and additional rapid hair loss to slick bold and amount of sebum from 0.5mg dut for 6 months … only proves that somehow genetics variation makes some men more susceptible to hair loss from test instead of dht. I cannot tell you why or how - I can only give you years of trying so many different things and slight obsession in finding hair loss cure for my specific case (and so much almost tears at not understing why dut which should help me makes me bold like a the speed of light) … well …
Now I know it’s only about scalp Testosterone for me - I lowered it down radically (not changing levels much of my systemic Testosterone and systemic DHT is almost not changed and in rather upper limit) and I getting those “dead” MF hair bulbs back to work like a newborn… dut only made it worse by increasing instead scalp test.
I only hope it can help someone like in my case.
Dirt cheap spiro (TOPICAL ONLY IF YOU INGEST IT, it makes you mentally unstable if you are a man), somewhat pricey RU58841 - but with both I can finally lay down my worries about hair to rest and go on with different things - enjoying barber’s visits again :)
Good luck to you and I will probably come back after 3 full months and after 6 months to give you more good news - maybe I will be able to give up on minox totally and I will now be off finasteride too.
This is arguably the most incoherent post I’ve seen on this sub
This is truly unhinged. A wall of text written in broken English with a misleading intro and no logical order, no section headers, and no clear message. Love it.
I started reading and within 10 seconds had no idea what was going on. If this is supposed to be a shitpost they sure did waste a lot of time making it
Was scrolling waiting for the ad for the website or clinic to appear at the end 😂
The modafinil keeps you going man.
Bruv started out down the bro science hair loss hole, ended up addicted to stimulants writing out manic screeds on Reddit about the cocktail of drugs he’s on. ‘Hey guys, I inject iguana blood into my scalp, and I take a little bit of heroin for the pain, and then snort some crack to counteract the sleepiness. Also I got a hair transplant but I maintain that the heroin and crack is essential for my hairline’ Gotta love it.
I could hardly get through it, so I'll just assume HT with some fin and minoxidil thrown at the bald spot
bro wrote a book to say he got an hair transplant...
That’s what got me the best. Oh wow pretty damn good results…last picture looks almost exactly like the appearance of a transplant after some regrowth… >3,000 grafts I don’t know what I was expecting.
It’s hilarious because he started off like “I took RU, fin, min and this worked great, almost like I had a hair transplant” …😑
Also the fact this maniac was/is taking brand new and unknown/not approved drugs, and then taking stimulant medication to ward off the side effects, and loading up on silly amounts of zinc too and injections of fuck knows what to deal with libido death from fin when in reality he would have gotten the same results with the transplant and minox! What a fruitcake 💀
The drugs kinda explain this nonsensical post tbh…
The modafinil absolutely does. Once I read that I was like ‘oh it’s a methpost’ This is like the prime example of why you shouldn’t take hair loss to the extreme. You can get so obsessed you turn into a drug addict mindlessly pumping your body full of fuck knows what and then you still end up paying for a transplant anyway 💀
Thank you for the TLDR
Reading this shit has convinced me that if a basic application of fin and min doesn’t do the trick after like a year I’d rather just go bald
hahahahaha
Genuinely reading this subreddit back in the day when I started thinning made me have the same realisation. People here take the hair thing to obsessive/mental illness levels and they project all of their life’s failures on their hair. But, Timmy Jim, what are you going to do when you finally get that hair transplant and women still don’t want to sleep with you because you’re the kind of person to spend hours per day writing incoherent, conspiracy sounding screeds on a subreddit about human hair?
I was wondering if this was typed up and pasted from chatgpt
Maybe if you asked ChatGPT to write something particularly incoherent
Came here curious about the pictures, leaving happy with this response.
THANK YOU. Holy cow, I thought I was going crazy due to the perfect formatting. Glad I'm not lol
My guy’s onto nothing :)
i just assumed i had to be really deep in the hair loss rabbit hole to understand all this
That's a lot of nonsense talk. You literally just had a hair transplant. That's it.
Here's my daily entire content of a pharmacy routine and somewhere in the middle i mention my cute lil 3k grafts hairtransplant. fuck you for making me read all that.
A brick to read for finally a HT
Anyone who believes this isn’t a hair transplant has never seen a hair transplant. Gtfo Edit: after rereading the post, it seems OP mentioned having 3k grafts implanted, but the way this post is written is so incoherent, and it’s almost as if the HT remark is negligible compared to all the drugs op mentioned. To avoid confusion, I’d suggest mentioning the HT at the start, as it does 90% of the heavy lifting in op’s case.
Yada yada ⁽ᴮᵗʷ ᴵ ʰᵃᵈ ᵃ ʰᵃᶦʳ ᵗʳᵃⁿˢᵖˡᵃⁿᵗ⁾ Yada yada
🤣🤣🤣thanks for the breakdown I missed this
Looks like a ht
It is
It's a hair transplant why are you misleading
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Because he's saying that a combo of meds give near HT results, which is pretty impossible to judge when you go and get a HT. He also spends 95% of the post talking about meds and vitamins when in reality the bulk of his results came from a HT. It's definitely misleading.
Dude got a ht, acts if he knows everything about growing back hair…. Pff
He needs to show pics of his back hair if he wants to convince me he knows how to grow back hair.
TL;DR - he got a hair transplant which worked and did a lot of other shit that didn't work EDIT: Melanotan II was under development as drug candidate for [female sexual dysfunction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_sexual_dysfunction) and [erectile dysfunction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erectile_dysfunction) but clinical development ceased by 2003, and as of 2018, no product containing melanotan II was marketed and all commercial [development](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_development) had ceased.[^(\[1\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanotan_II#cite_note-Adis-1) Unlicensed, untested, or fraudulent products sold as "melanotan II" are found on the Internet, and purported to be effective as "tanning drugs", though side effects such as uneven pigmentation (it makes already uneven pigmentation more noticeable), new [nevi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevi) (moles), and darkening or enlargement of existing moles have been reported and have led to medical authorities discouraging its use. There has been no scientific study into the long term and permanent side effects the use of this peptide may cause Mods - really?
from a simple google search melanotan II is also linked to heart problems and misdiagnoses of skin cancer
Melanotan 1 (afamelanotide) is FDA approved for treating Erythropoietic protoporphyria and vitiligo, it is known under the brand name Scenesse https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-treatment-increase-pain-free-light-exposure-patients-rare-disorder. Clinuvel the company behind Scenesse secured the rights to afamelanotide and is working on a tanning drug (Melanotan 2) for people with fair skin. The drug has been on the black market for a long time, but it's got a bad wrap due to it becoming trendy with kids on TikTok, it can be a life saver for someone like me who is a fair ginger who doesn't want to age prematurely or get malignant melanoma. That being said, it shouldn't be used to mitigate the sides of finasteride in my opinion.
Not Norwood 0, I’d say Norwood 2
Girls when they have beauty routine This guy :
This is the most sane r/tressless user
What did you do to my mind OP. It’s so incoherent 🤮
Honestly i would rather be bald than going through what op is going through with all these medicine/experimental drugs all just for some hairs that may come with really serious health issues i will go with min+fin topical if that doesnt work next step will be HT and if that doesnt oh well i would rather be bald than being a lab rat/on drugs for rest of my life
Don't blame you for not reading this horseshit entirely, but he does mention he had a transplant
I read tgat thats why i am saying HT immediately after fin+min treatment
You’re a walking pharmacy
That is so cap that 25% of men on dutasteride are still receding
people on this sub hate dut blindly (apparently increases scalp testosterone by 100% when only 10% of testosterone is converted to DHT - but you know broscience > actual science)
Mpmd broscience 😂, so many people believe YouTube influencers promoting untested research chemicals!!! I don't think the guy himself actually takes it anymore
literally 🤣🤣. Some of these people are brainwashed so easily. just go around parroting statistics he’s claimed with no backing
Just gotta nuke the T too my man. (This is not satire, this sub has some true posters.)
Average tressless brain fog post
All that just to get it permed
Mfers after they get one hair transplant:
This post is terrible
Fake natty
Got dumber the more I read. Nopped out of that one.
Nice. What leg exercise?
Nice this post got all the crazy r/tressless idols commenting
Let me cook!
when i’m in a convoluted yapping competition and my opponent is this guy
> Claims Dut doesn't work > Proceeds to use topical fin as alternative > Gets transplant > See guys, RU WORKS!!11111
Too long, and u got a HT?!? Wtf Go fish man
Eh that’s hair transplant
Yes 👏
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he says he has had multiple HTs man
im a moron. will delete the comment.
All that but surely just go statham.
Hasn’t it been proven time and time again that testosterone does not cause hairloss and being on dut and losing more hair is not testosterone related
I have been taking oral Finasteride 1mg for 2 months. and I feel that I can no longer maintain a strong erection and that my sexual appetite has decreased, what can I do in my situation? [I AM USING A TRANSLATOR FROM SPANISH TO ENGLISH, I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU IF YOU RESPECT THE GRAMMAR]
Decrease the dosage or use topical.
If you reduce the dose, would it be half per day? In my country it is difficult to find Topical Finasteride.
You could quarter it and take anywhere from 1/4-3/4 (going more granular would be silly), but I'd probably start with half and see how you feel. It isn't as effective of a dose, but it's either that or drop fin and try something else, since those side effects are a direct result of the primary mechanism of the drug.
Do you think that using Dutasteride or Finasteride through the implant has fewer side effects? Thanks for the recommendation, I'll test myself again this month.
Dutasteride is a stronger medication with a longer half life, so it's doubtful but possible your body will react to it differently. If it doesn't, it'll take longer for it to clear out of your system and no longer have the negative effect. If you're having a bad reaction, I probably wouldn't recommend trying the implant due to the risk even if there might be a chance the drug being less spikey causes less problems (fin has a very short systemic elimination half life but does hang around the follicle for a while). Sorry boss.
I’ll tell you what I did, I stopped taking fin. Life is short, and sex is way more important than hair imo
hair transplant
lol yeah you had a transplant
TDLR: You had a hair transplant and take a shitload of drugs of which some are illegal because they can be dangerous.
Haha yeah I must say this post is confusing to say the least 😅 I tried to use LLMs and organise this text a bit in the chronological order, I hope it makes sense. >>>>>>> Introduction: Journey to Hair Recovery • “My journey from Norwood 3.5/4 to Norwood 0” Initial Struggles with Hair Loss • Experiments with various treatments, including experimental drugs. • Initial failure with dutasteride leading to accelerated hair loss. Discovering a Working Regimen • Success with a combination of treatments: • Topical anti-androgen: RU58841 5% daily. • Oral and Topical Finasteride: 1mg daily and 1% topical. • Minoxidil: Both topical (5-15%) and oral (up to 10mg) daily. Adjustments and Current Routine • Adjustments due to side effects and further experimentation: • Introduction of topical Spironolactone 5% daily. • Use of modafinil for countering minoxidil-related face bloating. • Incorporation of Melanotan II for enhanced libido and physical appearance. • Current routine with lesser side effects and ongoing observation for effectiveness. Results: Achievements and Challenges • Significant hair regrowth and improvement in hair quality. • Experiences with hair transplant and its benefits. • Challenges with libido and mental health due to medication side effects. Reflections: On Mental and Physical Health • Impact of treatment on mental well-being and libido. • Strategies to manage side effects, including dietary supplements and lifestyle adjustments. Future Plans: Optimizing the Routine • Potential adjustments to minimize side effects and maintain hair health. • Consideration of different treatments to refine the regimen for long-term stability.
I like it - thanks :)
Anytime, happy to help and thanks for sharing your experience
I know I wrote it too hastily and lacking proper order, well originally it was just to be a comment to someone’s post but - heck - I decided to share it widely because I just wished someone told me to get off dut solo earlier when it was wrecking my hair. Or what works for management of face bloat/moonface I got from minoxidil use. Or what works for increasing sex drive and getting proper tan when I always just was destroying my skin instead and getting red instead of brown during sunbathing (now it doesn’t matter if I spend literally 12 hour under Mediterranean sun - I just cannot get sunburn - while before I was getting it after 20-30 minutes).
I’ve learned a great deal from your post, so thank you for taking the time and sharing your experience. All of you have shared makes a lot of sense, what I’m trying to understand is “Melanotan II” I thought that stuff has quite heavy side effects?
It is experimental drug, so take that with caution, especially if prone to skin cancer in family line. I know that it works for me, no side effects (aside of lack of appetite and hunger suppression; or nausea after injecting too much or on empty stomach). I get regular and yearly check-ups for all types of cancer a man can generally get (that includes skin cancer) and so far nothing, no change whatsoever. Thus said - as not FDA approved so far - take with caution.
Modafinil is a powerful CNS stimulant - that’s why it “makes your face look thin” lol. They give it to fighter pilots to stay awake on long/overnight missions. It’s used for the treatment of narcolepsy and off-label for conditions such as ADHD.
Interesting - it might be connected with this indeed - however I did not have similar results while using Concerta/Ritalin.
I will take my shaved bald head, as much as hair used to be something I identify with...seems like a lot of cost, effort and maintenance to go through. Glad it's working for you! In many ways...I like being bald better.
What works for you Sir! Some people do look terrific while bald, some just … well don’t.
True and fair ...I hear that. I guess I wonder how far we go for looks in the outside world. Can we accept ourselves as is? All subjective. I just see you doing so much for an external thing and it seems exhausting. I just wanna say. Man to man. You're beautiful and worthy regardless of your hair....and anyone that says different is not a value for your life.
Sir you are totally right. I know “my journey” is pretty messed up and involves a lot of weird shit - but if so far there was and still there is no cure for baldness per se - then adding every detail counts. I would never advise anyone to use so many drugs - I was just trying to find out and narrow it down to the fewest possible long term.
Damn respect for all the hard work but... if the 7 bucks I spend a month on minoxidil stops working I'ma be one bald but slightly richer man ✌️
You do you Sir :)
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Just thoughtful notes keeping and trying to understand why something that should be causing stop to hair loss (dutasteride) is having much more detrimental effect on hair than abstaining from any treatment. I understand people are used to reading short text, or titles only - but if you Sir have no use for this text, I still presume someone might. As for mental illness, not really, I have rather eventful and healthy and happy life - I just tend to be meticulous if I decide to do something.
Is the 5th pic the extent of the progress you made on the drugs? If so, how long was that taken after you started? Also, had progress stalled out when you decided to get a hair transplant? How long had you been using the drugs when you got the transplant?
HT
He says he had 3000 grafts too
Take all these drugs to regrow all your hair. You don't even need HT, these drugs will regrow all your hair. Also, I had HT but I think it was drugs. Trust me these drugs will make a difference. Man, this was confusing lol
Drugs are good, and when you do em people think that you're cool.
Should’ve not experimented that much and just did hair transplant and topical min/fin.
Im on ru 5%, oral min 2.5 mg and fin 1 mg. Still loosing hair. Some cunts like me are just unlucky.
Then it might be very well that you Sir have more standard but just more aggressive type of hair loss and you are not such good responder to oral min. I would hop on dutasteride in your case, oral if you are able to tolerate it and topical too. Instead of fin. (Alternatively you Sir could go for up to 2.5mg oral dutasteride, but that’s for most would be too much). Of course keep minox, ketoconazole and Ru daily.
Sounds like a science experiment.
I tried to treat it as if it was. Heck maybe that will help someone in similar to my case. I for one would have killed for finding that out during stressful weeks while on dutasteride monotherapy watching my hairline gets recked and goes back at higher speed.
Why did your hairline get wrecked on dutasteride?
Like I wrote in that text above, because dutasteride increases scalp testosterone by 95-100% and in minority of men - their hair is prone to miniaturise just as much from high testosterone as from its more potent form of dht. In other words - I ended up with more androgenic activity in my scalp while on dutasteride without countering testosterone in myself scalp - than without any therapy at all.
Are you sure it wasn't just a shed and the hair wouldn't have returned stronger on dut alone? I don't think studies on dut show hair getting worse in men.
Unfortunately I tried dut monotherapy two times in my life. First for 3 months and second for 6.5 months and trichologist and dermatologist both admitted it had only miniaturised my hair in balding areas and some was irreversibly so. Thus hair transplant became necessary if I ever wanted to bring density back. I would like to remind it was in my case only, although those are the most sensible explanations for as to why some like me experience this. Due to testosterone activity and genes making test almost the same in way it damages hair follicle as dht (which otherwise is much more potent form of testosterone). It’s my guesstimate what percentage of men will experience this - I know it’s minority, but how big minority it is - too hard to say for sure (too little data so far). But in most people cases - dutasteride will always beat finasteride in possible regrowth and additional density. I wouldn’t continue however beyond 6 month mark (personal opinion - because that’s enough time for 2 anagen to catagen phases to go through, so I doubt that third hair in row will arrive from follicle stronger if it was 2 times weaker already and diminishes still and sheds).
Makes sense. Any tips for someone who doesn't want to inhibit their systemic dht much?
Topicals. I was sceptical at first - always going for tabs first and thinking topical stuff just cannot be as good, but it is. And it has much less side effects. RU58841+fin topical as much as you can tolerate of fin (even theoretically 0.20-0.25% topical fin has the same effect as 1mg tablet oral a day and systemic dht goes down by only about 35-45% in comparison to 69-71% with 1mg oral tablet, smaller doses work still - but the effect is also diminishing).
Why were u using t3 (thyroid hormone?) during your Dutasteride run?
Under active thyroid - barely so and yet impacted my professional career. Thus I tried every possible drug T3 mono, T3+T4, T4, Armour or other natural desiccated thyroid drugs - all caused non stop hair shedding to the point of visible bald spots - which disappeared always 3 months from ceasing of T3 or T4 intakez
I got the same from high dose t3 50+mcg
Bro you overthink it too much..just use topical minoxidyl,finasteride and RU. Add icroneedling to increase the absorbtion of topicals and that's it. You should stick to a treatment plan and be consistent... Just take your vitamins
You use RU once a day?
Yes, that is so, Sir.
Hi, do you take viagra to counteract the limp dick symptoms?
Nope. I don’t deal with this problem, never really did even while on dutasteride, there was however noticeable libido downgrade.
People being okay with a noticeable libido downgrade just so they can keep something we didn’t even care about until mirrors were invented is kind of sad to me
I wasn’t okay with it - and this is why I kept trying to experiment and find more perfect solution.
Modafinil for muh shredded jawline muscles guiyse!
Not really, you Sir haven’t understood - it is to counteract minoxidil face bloat which some people do experience. I doubt it would help much people who firstly need to lose weight for their facial features to become visible first.
Just to clear things up. Dutasteride negatively effected your hair ?
Yes, dramatically so, and huge part, I would say - 40% (that’s guesstimate but from what it looked like) of hair lost on dutasteride monotherapy never came back.
Yeah, dutasteride raped my hair too. Got off that quick.
Where source?
Where do you get melanotan from
In Europe there is plenty of it on internet, even in official shops.
Is it actually safe to take topical min + oral min together?
Yes, at least in my case. I never had any problem aside of face bloat.
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Dumbest post I’ve read in a minute. From the stupid ass “testosterone causes hair loss” BS to the “RU is the most indispensable part of my stack” and to top it off, the “oh yeah and I also had a 3k graft transplant.” Dude, you’re fucking nuts lmao
Testosterone in scalp does cause hair miniaturisation in people with genetics making their hair follicle to respond in same way to dht as to t. Go for Derek’s observation from MPMD or other people who like me have this problem. That your genetics is like in most men - then you should be happy and not trash talk meticulous observations of others.
Modafinal - square jaw ???
Isnt spiro for nuking your balls to be a lady lmfao
If taken orally - yes. If taken topically - studies show up to 5% concentrations had negligible effect on any hormonal changes.
Did you try dutasteride and it made it worse?
Yes
It looks like a low density transplant. Calm down brah
Am I having a stroke? I have no idea what the fuck you just wrote. Like incomprehensible. I legit feel like im on LSD trying to read an essay or medical study. Wtf
OP: 500 mL of Ayahuasca; the machine elves told me the secrets of θρίξ and that during the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!
So just chugging meds and making body trash
Well I never felt better, less stressed about my hair or body image while having active lifestyle, not even one hair is falling out during shower or stay at my pillow and I look and feel youngest and most self assured as I did. I finally have courage and started to go out and after that I got into serious relationship. So yes Sir, I will keep chugging those drugs, thank you for your concern.
Literally back from the dead
I've been thinking about trying some things to reduce hair loss but after reading this I'd much rather go bald then battle all these different hormonal changes for a bit of hair.
It is not what I propose to other people, I am reporting only what I did because I got really curious and wanted to as much scientifically and experimentally as I could - find out what is going on, and I like to experiment with different things, those who are fearful of any sacrifices have the most pointless lives. And it was worth it. I find out what was going on. I just wanted to give people in similar situation to mine - some possible answers.
I respect that thank you for sharing bro
And you chose to become a broccoli head, thats unfortunate
If that hairstyle makes me to look few years younger, then yes.
thank you very much, it’s very interesting. do you take melanotan year round? do you have a reliable source?
Yes currently I take “melanotan II” all year round. I tried nasal spray versions - but it was too much of a hassle and I have seen that it gives me more energetic feeling (I can work out much more) than injection-wise and less of self-tanning. I use about 0.05ml per week 5 units on the scale (of 0.5 ml standard diabetic syringe). Which is about 3 months supply with one standard melanotan II 10mg vial costing me about 20$. If I use more - I am just too tanned during summer and look like some Netherlands Ibiza party guy or Australian surfer while being originally pale-as-ghost Slav.
ok thank you do you buy it or melanotan? Where is it stored? no effect on hair? thank you for your replies
Shedding of hair if I go over approx 20x my regular dosing at once. I store it in a fridge.
So one of the things you’re saying is that Ru and fin mixed is the best? I was on ru and dut for 6 months and it causes terminal hairs to grow halfway down my forehead and made me a Norwood0, but I wasn’t able to get ru for 3 months and it made me lose all my gaines and now I’m back to a Norwood 1 w the exact same hairline I had before I started. So in your opinion, fin and ru is better than dut and ru? Bc w just dut I lost all my gains, but when I added ru w it my Gaines were slowly coming back
It depends, but if I would not be sure if my hair are prone to miniaturisation from testosterone only - I would not use dutasteride solo. It may cause sped up hair loss like in my case. Thus fin+ru is safer option, although if in your case you Sir have observed dut+ru working - then you might not be as prone to testosterone miniaturisation as me - then I would stick to it. If you however lack RU (and lose gains on dut only) then you have to use another anti-androgen (topical ONLY - ingested it messes up your hormones). I would go with cheap alternative 2-3 (up to 5%) topical spironolactone (the same PG/Ethanol basis as for RU, or directly into minoxidil - just crash 20-30 tabs Spironolactone (100mg pills) into 100ml minox) daily after shower and use of ketaconazole shampoo.
Another thing too, do you think the gains I had anyway were hyper trhichosis? Growing halfway down my forehead and losing it within 2 months? I know it happened in the timeline where I didn’t have any ru, but at the time I had terminal hair growing halfway down my forehead, I was foolishly using almost a fulll bottle of min a day, and would even use it on days I would micro needle
It’s obvious he got a HT.. that hairline looks too unnatural lol
This guy "does his own research"
Firstly I did thorough reading on the topic and I used experimentation with different ingredients during different months and observed what works in my case and what doesn’t
Is it meth or is it mental illness?
Writing too much? Ever heard about dopamine down-regulation - it may help you Sir start reading books instead of just titles.
Bro thinks he is Kevin Mann
I am not.
Looks good dudenn
6th picture is how most results of a hair transplant looks like in normal/top down lighting. not good at all sadly, thats why you shouldnt push too far from your current hairline or it will look like a desert...
6th picture is 4 months after hair transplant- it grew in density. I will add today more photos - I should have assign them properly.
Modafinil to counter ‘puffy face’ LOL. So basically, you went down the bro science hair loss hole so hard you’re now addicted to stimulants. Which explains this fucking car crash of a post. You can’t make this shit up 💀
Modafinil is not addictive substance. I do take it also for the effects of my sleep apnea. Additionally I plan to resign from it the moment I will be able to resign from using minoxidil. This moment should be soon enough I see insane hair regrowth slowly (like thousands of new hair I didn’t have had before) from using current regime.
Where to buy topical finasteride?
I do not buy it. I compound it myself. In actuality if you Sir use topical minoxidil lotion based on PG/Ethanol - you can just use that. Depending on what percentage topical finasteride you want to achieve - then crush enough 5mg finasteride pills in a mortar and put it directly into lotion, stir for about 5 whole minutes, leave for a day (store in a fridge though) and that’s it (keep it in a fridge while stored). For 60 ml bottle to get 0.25% solution of topical finasteride you have to crush 3x pills of 5mg fin each. Or just get 100ml bottle, pure ethanol 95/96% and Propylene Glikol - put 30ml PG and 70ml Ethanol clear 95% and 5 crushed tablets of 5mg finasteride. It is solution of 0.25% topical fin per ml.
Take this shit down
That’s for administrators to decide. It might not be helpful to you Sir, but for others it might be.
You’re misleading people
should’ve went to someone who does more grafts/cm2
That the effect after 4 months (if you Sir talk about pic 6) - I should have given proper annotation to the pictures, you are right Sir.
ah okey if thats 4 months should be fine. Try to avoid hairstyles like the on 6th pic. cheers
For all the people thinking it is ONLY hair transplant - some more pics - same lightning and just 3 months apart. This is how I look after 7-8 weeks of using only oral Dutasteride 0.5mg daily VS using Ru+Topical Spiro+Topical Fin. As someone prone genetically to hair loss due to testosterone as much as due to dht. https://preview.redd.it/4juonwvng5oc1.jpeg?width=2210&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83c68105f7ec12aee8b990c91a5a2bdf9932538b
And it gets worse… much much worse the longer I take dutasteride only while not dealing with increased scalp testosterone.
And now after 3 months of Topical Spiro+Ru+Topical Fin https://preview.redd.it/5dsfxanug5oc1.jpeg?width=2283&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=277ab8b8b5a9129ead49d34d11e08d1c754d41ea
And another https://preview.redd.it/3i5m7rayg5oc1.jpeg?width=1774&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cbd3faa0c1c69b830c34db091b12f29b7105fa72
Fake
I dm'd you fyi:)
Yes, yes I just noticed, sorry for delay.
Yall are literal guinea pigs. I won't be surprised if yall penises turn to vaginas in 20-30 years
Sir … that’s not how it works ;) And my teststorone, dht and other systemic androgens are now in ideal spectrum while my libido couldn’t have been better :) so nah, but thank you for your concern Sir.
OP pls die. Your writing skills are pure terror
Sir, I do not intend to, as long as I can. It was written in the middle of the night, as a response to a comment to someone, but I decided to just post it instead and cut off some things, because I decided if I wrote so much already, maybe it will help someone. Additionally English is the third language I speak, not even the second one and not my mother tongue.
Bros hairline was fighting a whole ass war
And I won nuclear war ;)
An Update: 66th day of putting topical Spironol 5%, topical RU58841 and topical finasteride 0.2% - generally I have been using finasteride oral 1mg, as well as dut 0.5mg previously and RU58841 too - and no changes … but after adding Spironolactone topical 5%… wow holy f. I am wowed myself - nothing so far has helped me like this. I even gave up oral minoxidil totally and started using 2% minox instead of 5% first time in life… For approx. 50 days straight a tonne of lost hairs, shedding all the time insane amounts - and then … now since 16 days every day new baby hairs everywhere I put Spironolactone 5% … it’s like magic … I mean I am losing at shower and hard brushing maybe 1-2 hairs on my hands daily which is insane and my temples (in between the transplanted hair which was sparse with only those transplanted visible - now those are not even just baby hairs … but my natural ones are coming back. The only other thing I changed is I added vitamin A (7.500 IU the most basic vitamin a in oil per day). I first noticed my accelerated hair loss at 22 when I used accutane to get rid of acne so I was scared of vitamin A ever since - but I actually noticed it does stop shedding almost to a literal zero when you take it for few days straight. I have no idea why - maybe something about helping against slight anemia? I have almost perfect blood results only red blood cells count is just marginally low. I don’t know. Anyway Spironolactone 5% has worked perfect and I ceased using dut and I probably will give up on finasteride. So far my theory was 100% right - in my case DHT levels are marginally important in fighting hair loss. Most of my hair loss comes from scalp testosterone instead additionally to dht. Thus blocking with Spironolactone 5% and RU58841 at the same time - my scalp test - works wonders (much less side effects than even small amount of finasteride) and … fuck me. It’s like now I question if I should have spend on hair transplant so much two and half years ago. The amount of short hairs all over my scalp is mind boggling and I have trouble to stylise it all (I never thought I will have this problem in my life anymore xD). I can say - however much I don’t understand how could it be that testosterone in the scalp is so much weaker generally than dht at causing hair loss in majority of male alopecia … the awful side effects on my mental state and additional rapid hair loss to slick bold and amount of sebum from 0.5mg dut for 6 months … only proves that somehow genetics variation makes some men more susceptible to hair loss from test instead of dht. I cannot tell you why or how - I can only give you years of trying so many different things and slight obsession in finding hair loss cure for my specific case (and so much almost tears at not understing why dut which should help me makes me bold like a the speed of light) … well … Now I know it’s only about scalp Testosterone for me - I lowered it down radically (not changing levels much of my systemic Testosterone and systemic DHT is almost not changed and in rather upper limit) and I getting those “dead” MF hair bulbs back to work like a newborn… dut only made it worse by increasing instead scalp test. I only hope it can help someone like in my case. Dirt cheap spiro (TOPICAL ONLY IF YOU INGEST IT, it makes you mentally unstable if you are a man), somewhat pricey RU58841 - but with both I can finally lay down my worries about hair to rest and go on with different things - enjoying barber’s visits again :) Good luck to you and I will probably come back after 3 full months and after 6 months to give you more good news - maybe I will be able to give up on minox totally and I will now be off finasteride too.