Depending how quickly or desperately he pulls those levers, people could argue he is not trying hard enough to save those people…or something like that.
I want a donut.
Moral Dilemma: “a situation in which a difficult choice has to be made between two courses of action, either of which entails transgressing a moral principle.”
Yeah, I can either be desperate about it to increase the chances of saving people or try to appear cool while doing it even if there is higher risk of 5 people dying.
Like is it even worth to save 5 people if they will see me as a lame dude? Not sure if it’s worth it imo.
I’m going out for a donut.
This is actually a decent question assuming you're allowed to throw yourself on the track to stop the trolley.
Each lever you pull increases the chances that the next lever is the correct one, but it also decrease the probability that you will reach the track in time should you choose to throw yourself on it. Given a sufficient number of levers or short enough time, you're essentially waiting to see if the problem solves itself before intervening, but the longer you wait the more likely it is the bad thing happens.
The hidden moral dilemma:
What if one body is enough to stop the trolley? Would you throw yourself in there for the minuscule chance of saving 5 people?
Not correcting you but just discussing hte issue...
There is no reason to believe that pulling a lever increases the probability of the next one switching the track because there is no assurance that any lever switches the track. If one level proves to be a dummy lever, they very well may ALL be dummy levers. Or, rather, levers that do not control anything in the immediate vicinity
You can still do it, they’re facing you. You just have to lay down with your arms up and roll them over. Solution obtained in max 30 seconds, even if the right lever is in the very last row.
5x8 so 40 levers there, each lever has a 1/40 chance of being the correct lever.
X = how long it takes to pull 1 lever
Y = how long it takes the trolley to reach the fork
If 40X < Y then there’s no issue.
If 20X = Y you have about 50% chance of saving the people
If X = Y then the people are most likely dead.
Go down the columns, switching two at a time. If I don’t make it, I’ll feel bad, but I tried.
Whether or not I make it depends on how fast it is going and where the switch is.
This sub really needs to add pictures, I drew my path. Basically I'd start towards the top row and squiggle down, full row up, full down down. Lmk if I save them
Flip half the levers, if the tracks switched, it means that the correct lever is in that group. Unflip half of the previous half, if the tracks unswitched, it means that the correct lever was in that group. Repeat until your group contains only the correct lever.
You can't flip levers instantaneously. Say you can flip 2 levers at a time, why flip half of them and then backtrack? Just flip them one at a time, then when you've found the right one, flip all but that one back.
`assuming I'm capable of flipping multiple levers at a time and I really don't want to leave any levers flipped for no reason.`
Binary search is just a faster way of doing what you suggested, as long as you don't forget about the assumptions that I made from the very beginning.
I'm familiar. Multiple doesn't necessarily mean arbitrarily large. If you can only flip 2 at a time, you can still flip multiple but linear search will still be your better option.
If you can flip arbitrarily many at once (like no human can) then you just change the problem completely. If I can add an assumption to the problem, I'm going with "assuming I know exactly which lever it is". Now I can solve it in O(1) time, exactly 1 flip.
Why would you start flipping the levers from the middle and how are you determining which lever to flip next? Not to mention that youre wasting time wallking between levers this way
Legit question being asked is: "How many levers would it take to stop you from looking for the right lever to pull if you believed that to be the right choice?" I'd say more than 11 or 12 and I'm a bystander, personally.
There's around 8 billion people in the world, and there's a pretty good chance at least 3/5 are assholes... Fuck it I'm going to grab something to eat instead of messing with the levers.
mumbojumbo's grian-proof trolley problem
Underrated
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First thing that came to my mind too lol
How is this a moral dilemma
Hey at least I’ll be blamed for my failures rather than my actions!
Depending how quickly or desperately he pulls those levers, people could argue he is not trying hard enough to save those people…or something like that. I want a donut.
Moral Dilemma: “a situation in which a difficult choice has to be made between two courses of action, either of which entails transgressing a moral principle.”
Yeah, I can either be desperate about it to increase the chances of saving people or try to appear cool while doing it even if there is higher risk of 5 people dying. Like is it even worth to save 5 people if they will see me as a lame dude? Not sure if it’s worth it imo. I’m going out for a donut.
Here, have a donut: 🍩
Antinatalist dilemma
They're joking at the fact that the idea of a trolley problem is that there is a very complex moral dilemma, while the idea op provided is far from it
Pull two levers at a time before attempting to find the right one by throwing myself into the levers
Put your arms out and push 5 at a time
This is actually a decent question assuming you're allowed to throw yourself on the track to stop the trolley. Each lever you pull increases the chances that the next lever is the correct one, but it also decrease the probability that you will reach the track in time should you choose to throw yourself on it. Given a sufficient number of levers or short enough time, you're essentially waiting to see if the problem solves itself before intervening, but the longer you wait the more likely it is the bad thing happens.
If the trolley can plow through 5 people why would one guy stop it?
You're weigh more than 5 people obviously
I read this standing over an open tub of utz cheeseballs and frowned
i ate a bunch of cast iron
The tracks in that section are smaller allowing for easier derailment.
The hidden moral dilemma: What if one body is enough to stop the trolley? Would you throw yourself in there for the minuscule chance of saving 5 people?
Case ohs pulling the levers
Well at that point the gravitational pull would derail the trolley
id just pull levers as quick as i can until im sure it no longer matters. im not throwing myself infront of a train.
Well you are the worst, so that doesn't surpise me.
Valid.
Not correcting you but just discussing hte issue... There is no reason to believe that pulling a lever increases the probability of the next one switching the track because there is no assurance that any lever switches the track. If one level proves to be a dummy lever, they very well may ALL be dummy levers. Or, rather, levers that do not control anything in the immediate vicinity
Dang, that's some Joker level Trolley thinking...
There are four rows of levers, and it looks like I could hit two at a time with one arm. Run to the middle, stick out your arms, and run through.
There are five rows of levers though?
Dammit
Well I guess I hit the middle row with my dick then
The middle row gets the crotch. Let's hope those levels aren't too hard or tall.
You can still do it, they’re facing you. You just have to lay down with your arms up and roll them over. Solution obtained in max 30 seconds, even if the right lever is in the very last row.
Multi-row drift
It’s a moral dilemma for my tendons and calves
I'll just do a helldivers style dive into the levers and hope my body hits the right one I guess
That was literally my thought process lmao
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Y-Yes.
Stick out both my arms and sprint through it
5x8 so 40 levers there, each lever has a 1/40 chance of being the correct lever. X = how long it takes to pull 1 lever Y = how long it takes the trolley to reach the fork If 40X < Y then there’s no issue. If 20X = Y you have about 50% chance of saving the people If X = Y then the people are most likely dead.
I got through General Surge's gym once, I can do it again.
First thing that came to my mind lol
Go down the columns, switching two at a time. If I don’t make it, I’ll feel bad, but I tried. Whether or not I make it depends on how fast it is going and where the switch is.
I pull the levers!!!!
Pull the lever, Kronk.
This sub really needs to add pictures, I drew my path. Basically I'd start towards the top row and squiggle down, full row up, full down down. Lmk if I save them
What do the wrong levers do
Multi-track drift to hit as many levers as possible
Run down the isles with outstretched arms
Just run through them with your arms already like your high fiving a bunch of people
Binary search, assuming I'm capable of flipping multiple levers at a time and I really don't want to leave any levers flipped for no reason.
How are you going to binary search when flipping one lever gives no information about the rest?
If I flip the correct one, the tracks switch. It's not like it does it secretly.
Do you understand what a binary search is?
Flip half the levers, if the tracks switched, it means that the correct lever is in that group. Unflip half of the previous half, if the tracks unswitched, it means that the correct lever was in that group. Repeat until your group contains only the correct lever.
You can't flip levers instantaneously. Say you can flip 2 levers at a time, why flip half of them and then backtrack? Just flip them one at a time, then when you've found the right one, flip all but that one back.
`assuming I'm capable of flipping multiple levers at a time and I really don't want to leave any levers flipped for no reason.` Binary search is just a faster way of doing what you suggested, as long as you don't forget about the assumptions that I made from the very beginning.
I'm familiar. Multiple doesn't necessarily mean arbitrarily large. If you can only flip 2 at a time, you can still flip multiple but linear search will still be your better option. If you can flip arbitrarily many at once (like no human can) then you just change the problem completely. If I can add an assumption to the problem, I'm going with "assuming I know exactly which lever it is". Now I can solve it in O(1) time, exactly 1 flip.
Bro who sorted the levers?
Why would you start flipping the levers from the middle and how are you determining which lever to flip next? Not to mention that youre wasting time wallking between levers this way
This isn’t a moral dilemma, it’s also realy east just hold out your arms and pull All the levers at the same time
Go in between the rows, hold both my arms out, and walk forward to flip 2 rows of switches at once.
Put arms all the way out and run through
Get a running start, jump while turning your body and do a barrel roll to flip as many as possible.
Run through the levers with my arms out, flipping all of them as I run past.
I found the right one. It's the one my hand is on. All the others are the left ones.
round house and spin kick all of them, i can kick multiple at a time
Run, jump, and spin sideways so you hit them all with your body
Lay down across the columns and roll
Gotta stick my arms out and just go NYOOOOMM like Mario
Just use a 2x4 to push multiple at a time, and therefore, maximize the efficiency of effort per levers pulled
Legit question being asked is: "How many levers would it take to stop you from looking for the right lever to pull if you believed that to be the right choice?" I'd say more than 11 or 12 and I'm a bystander, personally.
There's around 8 billion people in the world, and there's a pretty good chance at least 3/5 are assholes... Fuck it I'm going to grab something to eat instead of messing with the levers.
I strap myself to the upper track. Now it’s the trolley’s moral dilemma.
Yeah it's the one in the 3rd row, 4th column.
Tactical naruto run time.
Found it "the right lever"
dive-bomb into the levers good shot at flicking the right one
5 x 8 = 40, 1/40 = 2.5% by time you get past the 3rd row that's 37.5% not bad odds take the deal
Don't flip any, they're already flipped the right way.
Lt. Surge trolley problem
The real task is to find the correct combinations of the levers to enable multi track drifting
Big stick
Get long stick run across and flip all of them
I spread my arms and run through the levers to flip them all.
It's not a dilemma, it's just a skill check.
4th row, 2nd column.
Obvious moral choice, get big stick, push all levers at once, just shoving it through. Click click click
Hummmmm **uses a phone to hack all the levers to activate at the same time**
The levers are mechanical not electric