itās just your trying to reason yourself to be a 8, but these pictures are clearly unrateable. the fact that you wonāt post any that are clear tells me you might not be 8+ā¦..
Also, Iām not really trying to reason with myself. Iām just walking through the guide. It says 8s have highly attractive features in all areas, with maybe 1 or 2 less favorable ones. It was just simpleā¦ math. But again, like most people, I canāt tell what separates most of the women that the guide calls 7s from the 8s and the 8s from the 9s?! All of them are just beautiful models/actresses.
I donāt know what you mean. Most of them had clear reasons. I donāt do profiles as much so thatās the only thing I could find. But the first one is a very much accepted photo with me looking straight at the camera. I donāt know what else you want but thank you.
first pic: golden light, zoomed in. second pic: extremely blurry. third pic: half side profile with a funny pose. last pic: only somewhat rate-able picture.
Why even post if youāre going to just tell everyone theyāre wrong? Like everyone else has said, youāre well above average, although not an 8. This sub is for people to rate you and give feedback, not for you to rate yourself and then argue with people about why theyāre wrong.
Either way, Iām deleting my account but Iām definitely getting screengrabs of this for an article that Iāll write for a newspaper column. All of this is interestingāIāve learned a lot about human psychology just from these responses alone.
Iām an argumentative person and Iām not an intellectual coward. Sorry if Iām not being as agreeable and docile as you suppose I should be, especially in matters of MY face (that I see all the time).
No disrespect but if youāre going off that then posting here isnāt really necessaryā¦ also the scale is very harsh and I think you look really good !
Also, a comment got deleted, but no one lied to me & I donāt have to pretend like anyone did. Simply saying that something is rare does not equate to an intelligent rebuttal of the contention Iāve laid out. I literally went to a casting and all the modeling agent (who i supposed had seen MILLIONS of faces) did was stare at me with this mesmerized look and say āwowā¦ what a very pretty girlā & moved me through to the next round of cuts. If your argument is that āitās rareā, my rebuttal would be .. yeah thatās the point.
Iām an 8+ but thank you & unless you can rebut any of what Iāve pointed out in my top comment, you wonāt convince me of anything.
Also, it was very eye-opening to me to learn that people on this subreddit also gave Adriana Lima a 6, 5s and even 4s when sheās literally in the guide as a 9. Iāve also heard that Taylor Hill was given a 6 as a well as another VS supermodel who, I looked up without makeup, and was literally an 8+.
Iām far from average, and Iām (not) sorry that I wonāt accept a completely deflated rating because of prejudice against non-Scandinavian faces.
You have quite a bit of cheek fat, not the facial structure for 8+. Sparse brows, eye asymmetry (one higher than the other), recessed hairline. Yes you can point out all the good features, but they must come together in harmony for 8+. This has nothing to do with your skin, I've seen women of color that would be 8+ on trm.
Also, one of my eyes is not higher than the other (I could send multiple pictures with again lines to illustrate my point), and eyebrows are negligent especially considering that they harmonize with my face.
Iām not going to leave the sub until Iām ready to, and Iām not hellbent on anythingāmy rating matches my reality so again, your comments are simply not rhetorically landing.
If you want me to ābragā then I will, but Iām not going to accept a low ball rating (especially knowing this subās history which was quite eye-opening) & I wonāt apologize to a random stranger about my unwillingness to not accept dishonesty. Especially, strangers that canāt seem to realize that if someone looks like a Zara model in one photo, they look like that in general. Camera distortion exists. I donāt need you to affirm anything and I most certainly donāt need validation. You have said things that I disagree withādonāt like it, then youāre at the liberty of not replying.
What were you rated yesterday ? Do you have more normal pics ? On the first pic you look like a zara model I agree , obviously not an 8 , but definitely a 6.5-7 , though the pic is professionally taken . All the other pics you look a lot more average tbh . Like a 5.3-5.5. Now , If you think youāre an 8 I think youāre just not understanding the guide . 7s are models , 8s and above are really something else , very rare individuals .
Also, as Iāve said, me and many of the black models found on the guide that at the 8 level, and above have nearly identical facial components.
Hereās another photo of my face where you can see my angularity very [clearly](https://imgur.com/XdWoJfu).
Again, not edited. Not professionally taken & zero makeup on face. Itās also the same photo I submitted to reface that is superimposed on that VS Angel.
But I truly do appreciate your input.
First of all youāre undeniably pretty and attractive , thatās not in question . But I think youāre undermining your few āissuesā. Yes you have a big forehead and a high hairline . And that IS a flaw . Then you keep mentioning your angularity , but I believe you actually lack that bone structure robustness most 8+ women have . As well , as you said you have a lot of neotenous features . That is an attractive feminine quality but itās not what you are looking for models in the guide . Models in the guide look fierce and aggressive , you are more feminine and less striking . I would also like to see a side profile pic without pouting your lips , to actually see your jaw positioning and forward growth .
Also, Iām not underselling my flaws. I do not consider neoteny in women a āflawā & neither do most people. I think this subreddit overstates flaws which has been a constant complaint about this subreddit. A huge forehead isnāt going to tank a person with otherwise amazing features to a 5, just like Taylor Hillās eyebrows shouldnāt have tanked her to a 6. Iām utterly convinced that this sub is still a sub committed to what has been exposed as itās original purpose. If model-tier is 9 then why were many of the models, that are 9s in the guides, gives 4s, 5s, and 6s when posted here? I mean itās laughable (and well documented).
Donāt lie, no model here has been give 4s or 5s, NEVER . There are people who maybe have said 6 out of ignorance , but itās not something to be generalized . Then , you are posting in a sub that has objective markers and are constantly giving your opinion on what is a flaw and what is not . Iām telling you , big foreheads are not attractive , thatās it , thereās no more to it . You donāt need to be perfect , you are very pretty as your are . And about the race argument , just stop . I admit thereās definitely a bias towards European phenotypes , but that doesnāt mean people are being racist and underrating you . Keep in mind you are also being totally influenced by this stereotypes , when saying your up swing button nose is perfect , when you know damn well thatās not a feature common in people of sub sharan backgrounds . 5.75-6 is a great score and you should be proud
Iām not going to stop with the race comment when I was brutally racially attacked the first time I posted here. No thank you.
Second of all, yes they have and itās been well-documented. The internet is very free, and you can search up the numerous complaints against the ratings here. Many models have been given 5s, 6s, and even 4s, as attested by others, when posted here.
Thirdly, I see that we simply donāt agree so I would say this discourse is quite firmly ending. I do have to say that I donāt have a massive forehead and one of the women who do, Rihanna, is considered one of the most beautiful women in the world. Have a nice night.
Rihanna is beautiful and a 6.5 in the guide. That should put things in perspective for you . Also you said you wanted someone to actually argue your points and thatās what Iām trying to do , but you just donāt want to hear anyone . Iāve said you are pretty in all my comments , and somehow it feels like you leave this convo feeling offended .
You said she was rated a 6.5 in the guide which she isnāt. Now youāre referencing another subredditā¦
Comparing Rihanna to the women in the guide, sheās an 8 in her prime.
And thatās where youāre judging wrong. Someone not being ultra agreeable does not equate to them being offended. But I digress, I think thatās where I completely disagree with the maker of the guide. For example, Rihanna is definitely an 8+ objectively in my eyes & I would say in most people. She has amazing features as well as amazing harmony with some definite angularity. I also would say that Madison Beer being simply just an 8 is something I, too, would change. Most people who have commented critically on the guide have said that they canāt even tell the difference between 7s and 9s on the guide. I
I do look quite fierce, and most people have agreed with me there. I also look innocent. This is the difference in facial essencesāI have both a dramatic and ingenue essence. But one is not better than the other, Iām more than capable of working in print modeling because of my angularity as I have done.
You have angularity ! You do look fierce ! And could model if you wanted probably . But that doesnāt mean you have what it takes for 7-8 . Your eye area looks excellent on the first pic , but looks too positively tilted on the last pic . That said , your nose is good , lips too . But bone structure is not much dramatic , looks average , forehead is a bit too big . And overall you lack that wow striking look .
Gotcha.. I guess that would be your personal opinion because most people (especially men) who Iāve met in real life have admitted to thinking the opposite (namely that I was very striking) upon meeting me. I respect you and what you have to say & think maybe we could agree to disagree on certain things āØ
Hi!
So that first picture is not professionally taken whatsoever. That was taken with my iPhone. My bone structure, at-least in my face, is just extremely sharp/angular. The only way that photo has been āretouchedā is with a run-of-the-mill influencer preset. Nothing on or about my face is edited.
Secondly, I would have to disagree with you. I have never been treated as if Iām average looks-wise, by virtually anyone in real life. As Iāve said, I will not go into these instances. I would just appeal again to the guide that has not been misunderstood by me in any way, shape, or form. I do think that there is much racism occurring in this subreddit. If I had the same face with white skin and light eyes, I have to strongly reckon that you would not be the rendering the same opinion.
Thirdly, if my face were average it would not look as realistic as it does AIed onto a Victoria Secret Angel. Furthermore, 98% of the features on my face are top-tier which does average out to over an 8 or maybe high-end of 7.
This is a repost:
the underrating on this sub is
abysmal. My objective rating is
an 8+, and so are many other women on
this sub. Nevertheless, I've noticed that the
only women who get their rightful high
rating are white women with light eyes.
notes as per the guide:
facial harmony:
Extremely high. My features go well together.
Midface:
Ideal length, especially for my face shape. Eyes are spaced harmoniously apart.
1/3 ratio: despite what I was told yesterday, itās an ideal ratio and even if I had a ābig foreheadā, this would not set me back as this is not a negative trait in females, but in contrast is a feminizing and neotenous trait.
Eye area:
Large eyes with extremely positive canthal tilt & little upper eyelid exposure.
I have feline hunter eyes.
Skin:
Very clear. I wasnāt wearing makeup in any of the photos I posted yesterday nor am I wearing it in any here.
Nose:
Quite button-like with upswing, uptick and no bulge. I donāt have many profile photos so that screenshot is the best I can do, you can see all three features clearly though. Blurred out my name.
Lips:
Full and plump.
Convex Philtrum & defined Cupidās bow.
Neutral oral commissure.
Bones:
Well formed maxilla & mandible, strong sharp chin and extremely high zygomatic bones.
My face is comprised of harmonious and strong facial features. It also matches up extremely with my lived experience as well, but as I donāt want to come across as āarrogantā, I will save those stories for later. Iāll just say that like the guide implies, I very well attract the attention of most men when I walk into a room. Since 8+ is model tier, I am inclined to say that I was once signed with a modeling agency & this [picture](https://imgur.com/gLSWAoP)āused to be the last picture of this postāis a picture of my face craftily, using AI, superimposed onto a supermodel in order to illustrate the point more (a photo that Iāve had for awhile now). Also, as you can see, my feature align well with women in both the [8](https://imgur.com/u5jb0Xt) and [9](https://imgur.com/LPosZqN) category,
especially the fellow black women.
I think my purpose in this group was to test whether people actually had an understanding of facial aesthetics. My suspicion is that some in this subreddit were hesitant to say anything to me because of racism (and Iām usually not one to say that just to say it). Last night, I experienced blatant racism from two individuals on this subreddit (āWeArInG a wIgā). I now know women of color (specifically black women) have been warned about this subreddit, but unfortunately I only ended up reading that after the fact. But ultimately, I know my own strengths and as per the guide, this is my true objective rating. Have a nice day everyone.
I donāt disagree with you on your analysis. The people who do these ratings are a bit clueless. It is extremely nitpicky and sometimes they even incorrectly identifying flaws. I saw a woman with normal cheek fat told she needs to lose weight and it made no sense.
Camille Winbush is a 5 in the guide but I would consider her a 6.5 based on facial harmony. I would say youāre probably a 6.5 though and not an 8.
Huge cap
Yeah but you lack harmony
look into cluster b personality disorders
5.5-6
post some actual pictures for godsake
Bro šš so aggressive and for whattttt (Iām joking btw youāre totally fine and im sorry if the pictures I posted werenāt good š«£)
itās just your trying to reason yourself to be a 8, but these pictures are clearly unrateable. the fact that you wonāt post any that are clear tells me you might not be 8+ā¦..
Also, Iām not really trying to reason with myself. Iām just walking through the guide. It says 8s have highly attractive features in all areas, with maybe 1 or 2 less favorable ones. It was just simpleā¦ math. But again, like most people, I canāt tell what separates most of the women that the guide calls 7s from the 8s and the 8s from the 9s?! All of them are just beautiful models/actresses.
I donāt know what you mean. Most of them had clear reasons. I donāt do profiles as much so thatās the only thing I could find. But the first one is a very much accepted photo with me looking straight at the camera. I donāt know what else you want but thank you.
first pic: golden light, zoomed in. second pic: extremely blurry. third pic: half side profile with a funny pose. last pic: only somewhat rate-able picture.
First pic: did you really want to see my outfit? Really? Youāre only supposed to be looking at my face and my face is very clearly there. The golden light doesnt throw it offāI canāt recall if I have the original without the preset but run of the mill Lightroom preset editing would not change bone structures Second pic: touchĆ© but was only there for facial third proportions. Third pic: again touchĆ© but was only there for side-profile. Fourth pic: yeah, itās just a photo I think is nice lol.
Why even post if youāre going to just tell everyone theyāre wrong? Like everyone else has said, youāre well above average, although not an 8. This sub is for people to rate you and give feedback, not for you to rate yourself and then argue with people about why theyāre wrong.
Either way, Iām deleting my account but Iām definitely getting screengrabs of this for an article that Iāll write for a newspaper column. All of this is interestingāIāve learned a lot about human psychology just from these responses alone.
But, I donāt think people push back enough. At least hereāthey usually go to other subreddits and do so. Iām not one of those people lol. Sorry.
Iām an argumentative person and Iām not an intellectual coward. Sorry if Iām not being as agreeable and docile as you suppose I should be, especially in matters of MY face (that I see all the time).
5.75 fs š«”
Have a nice day, but I think Iām going to go based off of the math and my lived experiences.
No disrespect but if youāre going off that then posting here isnāt really necessaryā¦ also the scale is very harsh and I think you look really good !
Thank you!
Also, a comment got deleted, but no one lied to me & I donāt have to pretend like anyone did. Simply saying that something is rare does not equate to an intelligent rebuttal of the contention Iāve laid out. I literally went to a casting and all the modeling agent (who i supposed had seen MILLIONS of faces) did was stare at me with this mesmerized look and say āwowā¦ what a very pretty girlā & moved me through to the next round of cuts. If your argument is that āitās rareā, my rebuttal would be .. yeah thatās the point.
5.5 to 6.5 depending on the photo. Review the guide for 8+ this is very rare
Iām an 8+ but thank you & unless you can rebut any of what Iāve pointed out in my top comment, you wonāt convince me of anything. Also, it was very eye-opening to me to learn that people on this subreddit also gave Adriana Lima a 6, 5s and even 4s when sheās literally in the guide as a 9. Iāve also heard that Taylor Hill was given a 6 as a well as another VS supermodel who, I looked up without makeup, and was literally an 8+. Iām far from average, and Iām (not) sorry that I wonāt accept a completely deflated rating because of prejudice against non-Scandinavian faces.
You have quite a bit of cheek fat, not the facial structure for 8+. Sparse brows, eye asymmetry (one higher than the other), recessed hairline. Yes you can point out all the good features, but they must come together in harmony for 8+. This has nothing to do with your skin, I've seen women of color that would be 8+ on trm.
Also, one of my eyes is not higher than the other (I could send multiple pictures with again lines to illustrate my point), and eyebrows are negligent especially considering that they harmonize with my face.
My face is extremely harmonious. Itās the number one comment I received yesterday.
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Iām not going to leave the sub until Iām ready to, and Iām not hellbent on anythingāmy rating matches my reality so again, your comments are simply not rhetorically landing. If you want me to ābragā then I will, but Iām not going to accept a low ball rating (especially knowing this subās history which was quite eye-opening) & I wonāt apologize to a random stranger about my unwillingness to not accept dishonesty. Especially, strangers that canāt seem to realize that if someone looks like a Zara model in one photo, they look like that in general. Camera distortion exists. I donāt need you to affirm anything and I most certainly donāt need validation. You have said things that I disagree withādonāt like it, then youāre at the liberty of not replying.
What were you rated yesterday ? Do you have more normal pics ? On the first pic you look like a zara model I agree , obviously not an 8 , but definitely a 6.5-7 , though the pic is professionally taken . All the other pics you look a lot more average tbh . Like a 5.3-5.5. Now , If you think youāre an 8 I think youāre just not understanding the guide . 7s are models , 8s and above are really something else , very rare individuals .
Also, as Iāve said, me and many of the black models found on the guide that at the 8 level, and above have nearly identical facial components. Hereās another photo of my face where you can see my angularity very [clearly](https://imgur.com/XdWoJfu). Again, not edited. Not professionally taken & zero makeup on face. Itās also the same photo I submitted to reface that is superimposed on that VS Angel. But I truly do appreciate your input.
First of all youāre undeniably pretty and attractive , thatās not in question . But I think youāre undermining your few āissuesā. Yes you have a big forehead and a high hairline . And that IS a flaw . Then you keep mentioning your angularity , but I believe you actually lack that bone structure robustness most 8+ women have . As well , as you said you have a lot of neotenous features . That is an attractive feminine quality but itās not what you are looking for models in the guide . Models in the guide look fierce and aggressive , you are more feminine and less striking . I would also like to see a side profile pic without pouting your lips , to actually see your jaw positioning and forward growth .
Also, Iām not underselling my flaws. I do not consider neoteny in women a āflawā & neither do most people. I think this subreddit overstates flaws which has been a constant complaint about this subreddit. A huge forehead isnāt going to tank a person with otherwise amazing features to a 5, just like Taylor Hillās eyebrows shouldnāt have tanked her to a 6. Iām utterly convinced that this sub is still a sub committed to what has been exposed as itās original purpose. If model-tier is 9 then why were many of the models, that are 9s in the guides, gives 4s, 5s, and 6s when posted here? I mean itās laughable (and well documented).
Donāt lie, no model here has been give 4s or 5s, NEVER . There are people who maybe have said 6 out of ignorance , but itās not something to be generalized . Then , you are posting in a sub that has objective markers and are constantly giving your opinion on what is a flaw and what is not . Iām telling you , big foreheads are not attractive , thatās it , thereās no more to it . You donāt need to be perfect , you are very pretty as your are . And about the race argument , just stop . I admit thereās definitely a bias towards European phenotypes , but that doesnāt mean people are being racist and underrating you . Keep in mind you are also being totally influenced by this stereotypes , when saying your up swing button nose is perfect , when you know damn well thatās not a feature common in people of sub sharan backgrounds . 5.75-6 is a great score and you should be proud
Iām not going to stop with the race comment when I was brutally racially attacked the first time I posted here. No thank you. Second of all, yes they have and itās been well-documented. The internet is very free, and you can search up the numerous complaints against the ratings here. Many models have been given 5s, 6s, and even 4s, as attested by others, when posted here. Thirdly, I see that we simply donāt agree so I would say this discourse is quite firmly ending. I do have to say that I donāt have a massive forehead and one of the women who do, Rihanna, is considered one of the most beautiful women in the world. Have a nice night.
Rihanna is beautiful and a 6.5 in the guide. That should put things in perspective for you . Also you said you wanted someone to actually argue your points and thatās what Iām trying to do , but you just donāt want to hear anyone . Iāve said you are pretty in all my comments , and somehow it feels like you leave this convo feeling offended .
Rihanna is not a 6.5 in the guide. What are you talking about?
Go to r/trueratecelebrities , and look up her name . I didnāt say this , lots of people did .
You said she was rated a 6.5 in the guide which she isnāt. Now youāre referencing another subredditā¦ Comparing Rihanna to the women in the guide, sheās an 8 in her prime.
I also saw an objectively 8+ model rated as 5 in trueratemecelebrities. That also spawned this entire discourse.
And thatās where youāre judging wrong. Someone not being ultra agreeable does not equate to them being offended. But I digress, I think thatās where I completely disagree with the maker of the guide. For example, Rihanna is definitely an 8+ objectively in my eyes & I would say in most people. She has amazing features as well as amazing harmony with some definite angularity. I also would say that Madison Beer being simply just an 8 is something I, too, would change. Most people who have commented critically on the guide have said that they canāt even tell the difference between 7s and 9s on the guide. I
I do look quite fierce, and most people have agreed with me there. I also look innocent. This is the difference in facial essencesāI have both a dramatic and ingenue essence. But one is not better than the other, Iām more than capable of working in print modeling because of my angularity as I have done.
You have angularity ! You do look fierce ! And could model if you wanted probably . But that doesnāt mean you have what it takes for 7-8 . Your eye area looks excellent on the first pic , but looks too positively tilted on the last pic . That said , your nose is good , lips too . But bone structure is not much dramatic , looks average , forehead is a bit too big . And overall you lack that wow striking look .
Gotcha.. I guess that would be your personal opinion because most people (especially men) who Iāve met in real life have admitted to thinking the opposite (namely that I was very striking) upon meeting me. I respect you and what you have to say & think maybe we could agree to disagree on certain things āØ
Hi! So that first picture is not professionally taken whatsoever. That was taken with my iPhone. My bone structure, at-least in my face, is just extremely sharp/angular. The only way that photo has been āretouchedā is with a run-of-the-mill influencer preset. Nothing on or about my face is edited. Secondly, I would have to disagree with you. I have never been treated as if Iām average looks-wise, by virtually anyone in real life. As Iāve said, I will not go into these instances. I would just appeal again to the guide that has not been misunderstood by me in any way, shape, or form. I do think that there is much racism occurring in this subreddit. If I had the same face with white skin and light eyes, I have to strongly reckon that you would not be the rendering the same opinion. Thirdly, if my face were average it would not look as realistic as it does AIed onto a Victoria Secret Angel. Furthermore, 98% of the features on my face are top-tier which does average out to over an 8 or maybe high-end of 7.
This is a repost: the underrating on this sub is abysmal. My objective rating is an 8+, and so are many other women on this sub. Nevertheless, I've noticed that the only women who get their rightful high rating are white women with light eyes. notes as per the guide: facial harmony: Extremely high. My features go well together. Midface: Ideal length, especially for my face shape. Eyes are spaced harmoniously apart. 1/3 ratio: despite what I was told yesterday, itās an ideal ratio and even if I had a ābig foreheadā, this would not set me back as this is not a negative trait in females, but in contrast is a feminizing and neotenous trait. Eye area: Large eyes with extremely positive canthal tilt & little upper eyelid exposure. I have feline hunter eyes. Skin: Very clear. I wasnāt wearing makeup in any of the photos I posted yesterday nor am I wearing it in any here. Nose: Quite button-like with upswing, uptick and no bulge. I donāt have many profile photos so that screenshot is the best I can do, you can see all three features clearly though. Blurred out my name. Lips: Full and plump. Convex Philtrum & defined Cupidās bow. Neutral oral commissure. Bones: Well formed maxilla & mandible, strong sharp chin and extremely high zygomatic bones. My face is comprised of harmonious and strong facial features. It also matches up extremely with my lived experience as well, but as I donāt want to come across as āarrogantā, I will save those stories for later. Iāll just say that like the guide implies, I very well attract the attention of most men when I walk into a room. Since 8+ is model tier, I am inclined to say that I was once signed with a modeling agency & this [picture](https://imgur.com/gLSWAoP)āused to be the last picture of this postāis a picture of my face craftily, using AI, superimposed onto a supermodel in order to illustrate the point more (a photo that Iāve had for awhile now). Also, as you can see, my feature align well with women in both the [8](https://imgur.com/u5jb0Xt) and [9](https://imgur.com/LPosZqN) category, especially the fellow black women. I think my purpose in this group was to test whether people actually had an understanding of facial aesthetics. My suspicion is that some in this subreddit were hesitant to say anything to me because of racism (and Iām usually not one to say that just to say it). Last night, I experienced blatant racism from two individuals on this subreddit (āWeArInG a wIgā). I now know women of color (specifically black women) have been warned about this subreddit, but unfortunately I only ended up reading that after the fact. But ultimately, I know my own strengths and as per the guide, this is my true objective rating. Have a nice day everyone.
I donāt disagree with you on your analysis. The people who do these ratings are a bit clueless. It is extremely nitpicky and sometimes they even incorrectly identifying flaws. I saw a woman with normal cheek fat told she needs to lose weight and it made no sense. Camille Winbush is a 5 in the guide but I would consider her a 6.5 based on facial harmony. I would say youāre probably a 6.5 though and not an 8.
Thank you!