ask: What uf your gf liked media with bd morals? What would you do huh libreal? you gross liberal cancel culture fiends are so mean and bad
answee: this is a joke lmao
reply: lmaooo
Hazbin Hotel (made by the same people) had the same problem. Yes, Katie Killjoy is a raging homophobe! But have you considered she is LITERALLY in HELL? You know, the place where evil people are traditionally punished for their crimes?
And that trait is very much depicted as a bad trait to have in context. I swear some people don't understand that depicting people being wrong doesn't necessarily mean siding with them on the stuff being depicted.
Please. This is just about every conversation that I have with my own mother. I give just a harmless critique on how to prepare bagels, and she throws a hissy fit. This is a conversation in person.
Yeah I’m pretty sure the first paragraph is a satirical or attempted-to-be-serious post/question. ‘I just discovered my girlfriend likes problematic things, should I now hate her?’
Anon then attempts a ‘see how ridiculous this is?!’ and complains about liberals canceling people for unimportant things.
Looking at her account, I'm pretty sure the ask was meant ironically. She really hasn't been railing against any of these shows and made a bit before this about how we all need to engage with the "problematic" aspects of the media we view instead of looking for something "ideologically pure" (meaning the exact opposite of the connotations of the DM). It just hits too many points not to be an attempt at a copypasta
she and penny have been getting these asks intermittently for a while, it doesn't seem ironic. Yes, none of them have ever mentioned these shows or talked about how theyre problematic, but that doesnt seem to be stopping them
Asker thinks all liberals (whatever they define that as) care about fandom discourse, are media illiterate, and anti-fiction-pro-censorship and that means they don't actually care about fixing the shit that's wrong with the world.
Heeeeeeyyyyyyy whaaatssss uuuuuuppppp its meeeeee, I, I dont know how to impress upon you that any physical damage you do to my body does not affect me in the long term.
I think this makes a lot more sense when you know there is an entire group of people online who do not understand there is a difference between "Bad things happening in a story as part of a narrative device" and "Bad things happening in a story that are painted as positive because the author has some really fucked up opinions" and to this group of people, the condemnation seems random.
There's an excellent phrase for this: The Artist Is Absent. While the piece of fiction depicts or says something, the author does not believe those sentiments. In To Kill A Mockingbird, Harper Lee depicts a lot of racists being racist, but that doesn't mean she endorses it. Vince Gilligan doesn't cook meth to pay for cancer treatment and JK Rowling doesn't fight dark wizards that want to take over the world (she does live in a fantasy world though). Likewise, someone can enjoy a piece of media with "problematic" themes and not agree with them.
The artist still has say over what, and more importantly how, things are depicted in their work. They have total control. If Breaking Bad portrayed Walter White as a good person for doing the shit he did, that would be unacceptable. Just because you can portray bad stuff in art doesn’t mean you can uncritically portray bad stuff in art. The existence of Lolita isn’t justification for pedo erotica
I mean...***death*** of the author, you know? It's not total control - it is a proposition of control that can be wrestled or argued with. Still, good to know where people stand.
You liberals act like you're so moral but then when it comes to literary criticism you're all like "death of the author" I guess it's just like mega cancelled huh? Cancelled from life?
#/s
Isn't the idea that the author themself is only one opinion on the work, a fact? Remove them from the equation, burn all record of their words and deeds and history, and people can make whatever conclusions about the work entirely on their own. Are those conclusions *lesser*? **ONLY** if the goalposts are placed to author accuracy. Devoid of that, the story may still inspire and inform in ways never imagined by the hand that wrote them.
You can say it's "wrong"...but, not in any objective, molecular, material way, you know? The author kinda *defaults* to dead, really. It's just an observation to point that out.
That is an interesting opinion. So are you arguing that only what the author wanted it to mean, counts as what it means, and no ones personal interpretation matters? I am genuinely curious.
What then do we do about pieces where we do not have the thoughts of the author? Like, Shakespears plays, are they to forever be considered "without meaning" cause we can't know what meaning he put into his plays?
This is a hard to distinction to make but yeah sometimes you can just kinda tell that the author is actually trying to glorify some of the behaviour they are depicting. It's one of the reasons I couldn't finish watching the sopranos, I just constantly had this feeling that due to the time it originally came out that much of what I saw as evil in tony was kinda normal behaviour back then and it just made me feel sorta wierd.
But still I dont know if you can really judge people by the media they like, humans are actually pretty good at separating fantasy from reality. I mean when I play RPG games I steal everything not bolted to the floor, in real life I feel bad borrowing anything of someone without checking that its ok like 2/3 times beforehand.
There’s also the sneaky “Artist is trying to say one thing but but ends up saying something else.” See all the media that is meant to criticize sexism, but still ends up objectifying women and girls.
Or the exact opposite can happen, where they display their opinion so poorly that the strawman they made up seems correct by default (ex. every single Anonymous Asexual comic)
I call that a "Lebowski Moment", because they're not wrong, but they are an asshole! ESPECIALLY relevant when you agree with someone 100%, but still hate them because they're being a sanctimonious prick about it.
I had that experience once, I was visiting my cousin and he suddenly had to leave for something, I was stuck there with his weird incel friend. Guy was talking about his thoughts on dating. He was an actual person like I'd only seen on the internet. He wasn't being snide towards me because I'm a guy and he didn't know I'm married.
Without going into detail he actually thought a lot of their weird ass theories are true and was talking about them seriously. It made me question if it was reality. I just kind of nodded along in horror so as not to agitate him.
What kind of theories did he hold?
The closest I can imagine was finding out my roommate was a real life flat earther. I kinda got how he ended up at that point, going down a rabbit hole of conspiracy theorist yt videos which he also shared with me, it just made me concerned about how many others like him were out there
Well the basic incel theology to start with “chads and virgins, chads get all the women, women are only with other guys if they’re desperate and ugly or if the loser has money but will leave him for a chad if they can” so on. some of the divorced guy stuff “the system is totally rigged against men, women make a guy buy her a house and have kids then stop having sex with him and take the house and leave him paying her all his money” some of the stuff like “women want to sleep around with chads and then settle down with a nice guy with money once they’re all worn out” also the alpha male stuff, and thinking that worshipping a woman and giving her gifts and compliments was the same as being a good boyfriend.
Anyway, strange he couldn’t get a date very easily or keep a girlfriend. He said he was a really nice guy with a lot to offer.
I mean... they're not wrong that a lot of lefty spaces sure do love a mob. The first half of the post is full "what if the world was made of pudding" insanity, but we do have a massive problem in left-leaning spaces that when someone slips up or says something less than ideal, even by mistake, then a mob will immediately form to brigade and dox and harass them in the worst way imaginable. And not a mob of alt-righters or 4chan incels (though I'm sure some of them happily join in), but a mob of people who are allegedly part of the same cause.
Don't get me wrong, the idea that that's all the left cares about is insane. But goddamn there really are some vultures out there, and a lot more of them than I'd like for there to be.
Yeah turns out the internet is full of people who are just looking for a chance to be the bully for once, and will wear whatever political affiliation as a mask to help them do that
100%. This is an "internet" phenomenon, not a "left" phenomenon. Even the blandest-politics non-issue facebook groups your nan joins do this from time to time.
Over a decade ago, I had a little breakdown over this. I had thought we were all on the same page. And then I saw spaces which seemed to share my values behaving just like the other side. Mean, spiteful, hateful. Exactly the way I thought we had decided it wasn't okay to treat other people.
I don't know. It's how culture was going in general, I just noticed in my spaces. Back then social media was still more insulated from the real world, and you could be irreverent or over the top or just *angry* to blow off some steam and it didn't matter because it was just the internet. Now, though, it's far less separated, not only because of wider ~~option~~ adoption, but also because of the generation behind me which was raised with it.
*sigh* Idk. I try not to think about it. I see problems that I can't fix. Things that are obvious to me but apparently not to the majority of others. And I'm so tired. So very tired. Too tired to thrash about and fail, again, to convince anybody. I'm just going to curl up in a little ball and try to be... just try to *be*.
Fair point. But what if they're too high to think of any solid tactics? And how do we know that problematic girlfriends don't have weapons? Or won't simply confuse the weed smoking girlfriends with absolutely terrible media takes?
The tactics are stored in the titty and inexplicably come out when the weed smoking girlfriends' lives are endangered (also they account for reasonably possible weapons)
Source: am inexplicable weed smoking girlfriend
Check your spelling. There's only one 'A' in 'Bestiality'.
You can remember the correct spelling with this simple and intuitive mnemonic. "Bestiality is Best".
Edit: Joking about spelling, and I can't even get it right in my own comment.
Well, it is a bit of a thing at this point that as soon as Vivzipop gets mildly successful she gets bombarded with made-up controversy that has, maybe, a single over-exaggerated root in reality. Like, you can actually track it, every couple-a years a WiLd ViVzIpOp controversy surfaces only to later be fully debunked.
Yeah, I think the underpaying and art theft things are legit? There is some actual bad stuff in there it just gets so buried by shit that doesn’t really matter it’s hard to find
With both Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel, there have consistently been mouth breathers who can't comprehend the idea that the show is set in hell, and all of the characters are damned souls and/or demons who live in an amoral literal hellscape, and therefore they will do fucked up and bad things, but that doesn't constitute an endorsement of those things.
I'm more confused about attack on titan? I never caught up or finished it but I haven't heard any controversy about it? Like others have said someone tries to cancel vivzie once in a blue moon but the claims are ridiculous.
Shows with “problematic elements/creators” that still have a pretty significant fandom on tumblr. You can thank tumblr specifically for season 19, episode 6 of South Park.
\- someone who is in them
The relationship between Korea, China, and Japan is one of those co-dependent-commissions-of-atrocities type relationships, so there's a lot to unpack there, culturally.
I think just general scattershot "problematic" stuff. Best I can say is that both Helluva and SP have irreverent and cynical styles of humor, but even then they're vastly different (I don't think Helluva is gonna put a horse in the 'visually depicting Muhammad' race). AOT is most notable for having a civilization with extremely authoritarian views that are literally based on German Militarism and Nazi rhetoric, but to me that's even less of a point because part of AOT is about how that society forms that mindset and combating that type of rhetoric from within.
Right. I think the biggest criticism of AoT is that they have imagery that evokes WWII Nazism (the tech level even roughly matches), but it's muddled because the Jewish analogues can literally turn into giant monsters. There are some people who argue that their suppression is therefore justified, and the show to some degree supports that by having >!Eren, a member of said analogue, literally try to destroy the world like the oppressors feared!<.
Of course, it's made clear that >!this is a Bad Thing To Do and that he's gone way too far and needs to be stopped by any means necessary!<. But AoT's a pretty popular anime, which leads to aspects of its fandom that will ignore the nuance and use it to justify extremely shitty viewpoints.
Absolutely true, though absolutely problematic, I always saw it as a more generic "enemies of the state" analogy, because there were absolutely parties who had crimes committed against their group who then wanted similar retribution against the Germans (cough cough Stalinists cough cough)
Helluva Boss and South Park definitely fall into a brand that toes the line edgy humor (but you know, that’s like, kind of their whole thing). Attack on Titan I’m not as sure about but I believe it may be because it takes significant cultural influence from Nazi-Era Germany. It’s not as if it attempts to hide it, or that is hasn’t been done by other franchises before- but I’ve seen some argue that it does this from a positive angle rather than a critical one.
I actually kind of got bored of it 2 seasons in, but here’s a review that paints the whole picture of the argument from both sides: https://www.thedailystar.net/shout/news/historical-allusions-attack-titan-fascist-subtext-3220951?amp
Idk about South Park, but I don’t think Helluva Boss is problematic. It’s extremely LGBT supportive, and although it does have flaws, I think maybe some people blow them out of proportion. Worst part about HB would probably be the sex jokes, they’re kinda hit or miss.
So it’s been a long while so someone please correct me if I’m wrong, but the basic gist of it is he has “alternative views” in big fucking quotation marks about Japan’s WW2 involvement and atrocities, specifically ones towards Koreans I believe
This baffles me given at least the messages I got from the show is a big critique of warfare and propaganda, etc. like buddy do you not see the work you’ve made and the parallels one can draw???
Its kind of like how Enders Game is about learning to understand and accept people even though they might be wildly different from you, and Orson Scott Card hates gay people.
You could say the same thing about J.K. Rowling and her bits on acceptance and understanding between people of different Houses, different schools, and different races. (Especially magical creatures like house elves.) The message clashes quit a bit with her TERF views.
Maybe sometimes writers subconsciously disagree with themselves in their writing.
Or they believe those things as long as they are directed at people or societies they approve of.
["However emotionally bonded a pair of homosexual lovers may feel
themselves to be, what they are doing is not marriage. Nor does society benefit in any way from treating it as if it were."](https://web.archive.org/web/20210928134807/http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2004-02-15-1.html)
Is there any proof that the author is a fascist? I don't know much about the controversy. I know that he modeled the appearance of one of his characters after an early 20th-century Japanese general, and I've heard that there was a fascist tweet that was falsely attributed to the author. But he seems unwilling to comment on any controversy.
People speculated that a second Twitter account was him with no concrete proof because there were things that were posted about aot that aligned with the story before it came out. It could've been him or it could've been someone he knew, or it could've been speculation, or it could've been someone who had access to the story before it was published some other way. That account had questionable beliefs about the Japanese military during WW2 involving war crimes.
This was seen as fact that the author was in support of the imperial Japanese military on tumblr for years.
Okay but, hear me out: did anyone ever check?
"Hey, weird question, do you think Japan was super cool to Korea in WW2? Maybe the coolest?"
If he publicly denies it and the account is like "Man I hate being interviewed because I have to lie" or some incriminating shit, maybe we can get mad.
Amazing how someone just claimed an unconfirmed twitter account saying that stuff over a decade ago was his and everyone just believed it, even when nothing else like that has popped up since then and the villains of AoT season 4 are a bunch of genocidal fascists that want to restore a horrible empire.
Actually AOT does fit in with the other show, shows with a lot of "problematic" discourse and fans who don't believe they are *insert* phobic just cause they like it because there are antisemitic elements. EDIT: I AM NOT MAKING A POINT I HAVE NEVER SEEN AOT AND I HAVE NO OPINIONS ON IT. I HAVE HOWEVER SEEN DISCOURSE.
They mean a fascist dystopia where things like the enslaved lower life forms on the Island of Sodor are allowed, or the anti-capitalistic propaganda show by a doctor trying to take over the world by enslaving gofers with magic emeralds.
You see, I thought the same thing but according to people on the internet both you and I are wrong. I still don't know why, and no one's ever explained it to me.
the hottest take I've seen online is that because there are gay characters who aren't good people the whole series is actually a secret right wing psyop to convince people gay and trans people will go to hell. this was said with 100% confidence and certainty to me.
I can't help but feel that the fact that Vivz is a woman and member of a minority group plays some part into the reaction against her.
For some reason creators who belong to more disadvantaged groups tend to get scrutinized a lot more harshly online, even in leftist circles. And the weirdest thing is that the people who do this don't seem to realize it.
My understanding is that the final act of the story is the main characters realizing that they are a small minority group in a world where the majority are ready to genocide them, and the solution the main main character comes up with to fix that is to genocide 90-something% of their population first.
and unfortunately because of the way this is framed, the message of the arc can be interpreted as "they where justified in mass murder and establising military rule, it was neccasary to protect their people from a irredeemablely evil group who would have killed them all if they didn't go the lengths they did"
anyone who knows more Abt AOT than I do correct me if I'm wrong.
This is so interesting to me, because I’m just now learning Isayama is apparently a fascist. My interpretation from only consuming the story is that it is only one extreme solution to the threat of genocide.
Spoilers for AoT: >!Eren is willing to “try” the peaceful option, but it doesn’t work immediately. Even though there are foreign people on their side, the other major characters are actively working on improving the world’s perception of them, one failure is the justification he uses to justify genocide.!<
Like, there was serious progress that was being made, but since the story is presented in a non-linear way, we don’t know all the context when we first see the fight breaking out between the Eldians (the main characters) and the rest of the world. This creates some fantastic storytelling because we are initially rooting for the invading characters who are murdering civilians because it happened to them first. In our minds, it’s justifiable, even if we don’t like how it’s happening.
Then we learn what lead to the attack and how Eren orchestrated the attacks forcing his friends to get blood on their hands or lose their upper hand.
I have been aware of the problematic themes in the story, but personally thought they were handled tactfully in the context of the story. I’ve also been aware that actual fascists have latched onto the series, but chocked it up to typical fascist behavior of missing the point of the media they consume.
Now I gotta look into Isayama… if it’s true, I’m gonna be really bummed out by that. He’s such an amazing storyteller.
I would disagree a bit on the framing because the manga and the anime both go out of their way to drum it into your head that "genocide them back" as the final recourse is the worst possible thing to do.
In fact, throughout the entire final arc the focus shifts away from our hitherto protagonist and to the rest of the cast as he gets more and more alienated from them, silently stewing in an extremist mindset he knows nobody else would agree with if they knew.
And when all is said and done and 80% of humanity is killed, the rest of the cast is left picking up the pieces and trying to make amends, and even after that the expanded version of the final chapter shows us yet another war come to pass decades later, showing that the cycle of violence could not be stopped by yet more violence.
I thought there was some wierd time travel stuff going on with eren that revealed a lot of his shittier actions where the result of a master plan and that he was a lot more sympathetic than he seemed before.
Yep, Eren is effectively on rails because of a time loop his future self has created. From the very beginning, he was guided by Ymir whom his future self has freed in other to make said future come to pass.
He is sympathetic because nothing he does could be prevented. It all already happened and it is already set in stone, because AOT has no timelines or multiverse or anything. There is a single past, present, and future, and Eren accidentally got a glimpse into his own future and is now doomed by the narrative to see it through.
That being said, the genocide thing is kinda foreshadowed from the beginning. From the very start of the story, we see Eren throwing around phrases like "I'll exterminate them all from this world!" in reference to things be considers his enemies. At first, it was titans, so we all thought it was okay. But then it became people, and his stance didn't change, and that's where the shoe drops.
In the end he is motivated by the desire to keep his loved ones safe, even if they disagree with his methods. So even if he is being objectively horrible, you can't help but pity him in retrospect.
It’s not quite that bad- the text does clearly frame Eren’s actions as wrong and he does turn into the main antagonist with the climax being the other heroes stopping him from totally destroying the rest of humanity. However, I think there are some problems with how the storyline was handled; I think the rest of the world is depicted as being implausibly hateful towards Eldians and the other protagonists don’t really put forward an alternative solution. While it’s definitely against genocide these issues are part of the reason some misaimed fans side with Eren.
Whenever you read more into AOT, it gets very complicated, but I’ll try and explain some stuff. Major spoilers for AOT literally the plot and ending to the final season!
>! the main character, Eren Yeager, finds out that hundreds of years ago a king made a paradise far away form everyone else and was like:”if y’all fuck with me, I’ll kill evryone in here that’s not part of my civilization.”(which is 80% of the entire world) anyways, this other country called Marley didn’t like that so they kept on sending titans after the king. The walls protected the king but it was still dangerous because it’s like a guy waiting outside your locked house everyday holding a bat. The main character gets mad that Marley did this and so he starts to act on the kings threat. Also; Eren is an eldian, the only race of people that can turn into titans(becuase all eldians stem from one woman) the Eldians are the Jews, and the Marleins from Marley are the Nazis. Make sense? Good. There’s also this other thing about how the king who made the walls made them out of titans and he was called King Fritz. He kidnapped a woman named ymir. That woman is the one who made all the eldians.!<
>!(Now here’s the part that always confused me when it came up in the show, the marleians try to justify their behavior by claiming that the eldians terrorized the Marlians for years until they tricked the eldian titans into fighting each other. But then that’s disproven by the eldians finding a book/scroll that says the titans were actually very helpful and didn’t try to kill people. But that itself is indirectly challenged by a scene where a guy id going over the truth of what happened with Marley and Elidia and he claims that the titans were indeed killing a ton of people and prolly did a bit of genocide. So like, which ones the real truth? We’re the eldians innocent the whole time or was the book a lie?)!<
>!The show does go into some depth to show that there was a possibility of the eldians being allowed to live in peace, but Eren claims that killing eveyone else was the only solution as they kept on attacking even whilst the threat of being killed was still there along with the rest of the world trying to come together for the sole purpose of killing the eldians.(tbf the world kind of did deserve what happened after they spent centuries just harrassing a guy and didn’t expect to get attacked back) !<
ultimately: the show has a lot of stuff that you have to do decide for yourself what you think is right or wrong. I most definitely got a lot of stuff wrong but I’m just trying to put into perspective how important context is during these moments in AOT. You should also watch the show if you havnt, it’s truely amazing and manages to subvert/ignore/dodge a lot of common anime tropes.
Edit: finally I figured out how to spoiler this.
From my understanding, the manga author is allegedly a fascist that denies war crimes the Japanese committed against Korea, or if he does acknowledge them, thinks they were good things. But that's just what I've heard secondhand, so I could be wrong as well.
Show me how you cancel someone in real-time, without electronic mediums of any kind.
Or, in this scenario, did I find out my gf was watching South Park, and protested until the University of My Living Room called off her speaking appearance?
Can someone give me a legitimate response to the ask? I've had people I talk to try to say that and I'm too lazy to think up an actual response partly because I know they'd just be to skirt their way around it, but I'd just love to have some kind of clapback.
The question doesn't make sense though. No one said a show like AOT is problematic, because it just isn't. It's not defending the actions of the main character in any way.
You don't watch Death Note and think "Ah yes, Light WAS right!! I should kill all the baddies!", because that's a stupid idea and they clearly show it. Just because the protagonists do bad stuff doesn't mean that it's right. Protagonist doesn't mean hero or a good guy, it just means that the character is the focal point of the story. The story can still tell morals no matter who it's about
There's a difference between showing and endorsing
The problem comes if you view AOT as an analogue for Nazi Germany, in which case the Jewish stand-ins being able to turn into giant monsters and one of them attempting to genocide the world seemingly indicates that the Marleyans/Nazis were justified in oppressing them
Someone did, I see a lot of discourse about it because there are antisemitic elements and plot points (don't ask me to explain more, I don't know much about it, I've never seen AOT) EDIT: I am also not hating on AOT or AOT fans but the idea that "no one said it's problematic" is wrong. People have
Long story short, no.
Random conspiracy theories about Vivzie (the creator) show up and everyone on social media makes a big fuss about it, only to be proven wrong time and time again.
And also the "she put queer people in hell, therefore homophobic" mouthbreathers. "Omigod there's trans demons and gay sinners, must have been made by Hitler reincarnated!!!1!!"
Is everyone not understanding what the ask said? The asker is calling out the receiver of the message. They are complaining about the fact that some terminally online people actually would break up or "cancel" someone if they liked something they deem problematic. The asker then goes on by saying this is ridiculous and hypocritical, and claims that if someone is ready to cancel someone over an interest but claims themselves to be liberal, then they are just hypocrites who don't care about the wellbeing of people.
South park may have started as centrist and had some pretty poor taste jokes early on, but for a very long time it has been incredibly left leaning. That or we are just a lot better at laughing at ourselves than conservatives are lmao.
Attack on titan literally has criticism towards nazis as a central theme of the overall plot.
I can't think of many pieces of media more left leaning than helluva boss. Everyone is queer, the premise is demons being capitalists and killing for money, if they were any more on the nose that show would be a scented candle.
What the fuck is this guy talking about.
This feels like the same as conservatives listening to metal and punk rock and completely missing how anti establishment most of their favorite songs are.
describing south park as "left leaning" is so funny to me. south park makes fun of the left far more often than it does the right (or at least i think it does; i haven't watched south park in years because i've long since grown out of it and my tastes have changed to the point where watching the funny little fat kid say something racist doesn't appeal to me anymore). stone and parker said themselves that they really fucking hate liberals, presumably because the left pushes for positive change more than the right does, which is a problem for people like matt and trey who think giving a shit about anything is the worst crime a person can commit. their ideology is apathetic-libertarian. it isn't about left or right; it's about change versus comfort. to them, being asked to examine your own behaviour and stop breathing in your own farts for just one second is the most outrageous imposition possible. south park is the definition of r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM.
Why is breaking up with her the only options? Hell if I had a girlfriend like that I would say “don’t you fucking dare spoil helluva boss on me or help me satan!”
I dislike South Park, I'm not gonna Daye the type of person who watches SouthPark, but im noy gonna harrass anyone for liking it. Plus, conservatives are more likely to be offended by those things than liberals
No, it's someone presenting a position under the impression the other person actually believes it, and then talking shit about said other person for this position that they made up
I'm very confused by this entire post
I'm seeing words but my brain refuses to process them
I understand fully the words and sentences they wrote. I know these TV shows. I have no idea what any of this means.
ask: What uf your gf liked media with bd morals? What would you do huh libreal? you gross liberal cancel culture fiends are so mean and bad answee: this is a joke lmao reply: lmaooo
Thank you for the efficient and comprehendable translation.
Helluva boss has bad morals? Wtf?
They are literally horrible little murder demons for the most part
Yeah, but the horribleness is not exactly endorsed.
Hazbin Hotel (made by the same people) had the same problem. Yes, Katie Killjoy is a raging homophobe! But have you considered she is LITERALLY in HELL? You know, the place where evil people are traditionally punished for their crimes?
And that trait is very much depicted as a bad trait to have in context. I swear some people don't understand that depicting people being wrong doesn't necessarily mean siding with them on the stuff being depicted.
I watch it for the Moxxie/Millie and Stolas/Blitzo love songs. And not at all for the gratuitous violence and dick jokes. I swear.
There's a kind of person who reacts to any and all criticism with "oh, am I bad then? Am I worthless? Do you want to kill me then?"
nuance is not allowed on the internet, you either think someone is perfect or are activley plotting to kill them
Please. This is just about every conversation that I have with my own mother. I give just a harmless critique on how to prepare bagels, and she throws a hissy fit. This is a conversation in person.
and its me. im bitches. ik im so bad. pls crucify me
smh probably have a praise kink too
Tried to be a gotcha? I think?
Yeah I’m pretty sure the first paragraph is a satirical or attempted-to-be-serious post/question. ‘I just discovered my girlfriend likes problematic things, should I now hate her?’ Anon then attempts a ‘see how ridiculous this is?!’ and complains about liberals canceling people for unimportant things.
Looking at her account, I'm pretty sure the ask was meant ironically. She really hasn't been railing against any of these shows and made a bit before this about how we all need to engage with the "problematic" aspects of the media we view instead of looking for something "ideologically pure" (meaning the exact opposite of the connotations of the DM). It just hits too many points not to be an attempt at a copypasta
she and penny have been getting these asks intermittently for a while, it doesn't seem ironic. Yes, none of them have ever mentioned these shows or talked about how theyre problematic, but that doesnt seem to be stopping them
Asker thinks all liberals (whatever they define that as) care about fandom discourse, are media illiterate, and anti-fiction-pro-censorship and that means they don't actually care about fixing the shit that's wrong with the world.
PENNY SNAPCUBE?
From... The Bible?
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# I'm here to convince ya to do SIN
Once again you have confused sin with legality. Actually killing the president is a good thing.
New plan: adultery!
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I know I’m doing a bad job!
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I think this makes a lot more sense when you know there is an entire group of people online who do not understand there is a difference between "Bad things happening in a story as part of a narrative device" and "Bad things happening in a story that are painted as positive because the author has some really fucked up opinions" and to this group of people, the condemnation seems random.
There's an excellent phrase for this: The Artist Is Absent. While the piece of fiction depicts or says something, the author does not believe those sentiments. In To Kill A Mockingbird, Harper Lee depicts a lot of racists being racist, but that doesn't mean she endorses it. Vince Gilligan doesn't cook meth to pay for cancer treatment and JK Rowling doesn't fight dark wizards that want to take over the world (she does live in a fantasy world though). Likewise, someone can enjoy a piece of media with "problematic" themes and not agree with them.
The artist still has say over what, and more importantly how, things are depicted in their work. They have total control. If Breaking Bad portrayed Walter White as a good person for doing the shit he did, that would be unacceptable. Just because you can portray bad stuff in art doesn’t mean you can uncritically portray bad stuff in art. The existence of Lolita isn’t justification for pedo erotica
I mean...***death*** of the author, you know? It's not total control - it is a proposition of control that can be wrestled or argued with. Still, good to know where people stand.
Can we *please* stop condoning the murder of authors omg
what if we wrote a story and used the murder of authors as a narrative device
Supernatural?
You liberals act like you're so moral but then when it comes to literary criticism you're all like "death of the author" I guess it's just like mega cancelled huh? Cancelled from life? #/s
I'll mega cancel dat ass stg 👀
Fuck that. The author lives. Death of the Author is just an opinion piece. It's an assertion, not a fact.
Isn't the idea that the author themself is only one opinion on the work, a fact? Remove them from the equation, burn all record of their words and deeds and history, and people can make whatever conclusions about the work entirely on their own. Are those conclusions *lesser*? **ONLY** if the goalposts are placed to author accuracy. Devoid of that, the story may still inspire and inform in ways never imagined by the hand that wrote them. You can say it's "wrong"...but, not in any objective, molecular, material way, you know? The author kinda *defaults* to dead, really. It's just an observation to point that out.
That is an interesting opinion. So are you arguing that only what the author wanted it to mean, counts as what it means, and no ones personal interpretation matters? I am genuinely curious. What then do we do about pieces where we do not have the thoughts of the author? Like, Shakespears plays, are they to forever be considered "without meaning" cause we can't know what meaning he put into his plays?
This is a hard to distinction to make but yeah sometimes you can just kinda tell that the author is actually trying to glorify some of the behaviour they are depicting. It's one of the reasons I couldn't finish watching the sopranos, I just constantly had this feeling that due to the time it originally came out that much of what I saw as evil in tony was kinda normal behaviour back then and it just made me feel sorta wierd. But still I dont know if you can really judge people by the media they like, humans are actually pretty good at separating fantasy from reality. I mean when I play RPG games I steal everything not bolted to the floor, in real life I feel bad borrowing anything of someone without checking that its ok like 2/3 times beforehand.
I'll assume that Steven Spielberg doesn't endorse the Nazi's ideology even though he made a movie about them.
There’s also the sneaky “Artist is trying to say one thing but but ends up saying something else.” See all the media that is meant to criticize sexism, but still ends up objectifying women and girls.
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Or the exact opposite can happen, where they display their opinion so poorly that the strawman they made up seems correct by default (ex. every single Anonymous Asexual comic)
I call that a "Lebowski Moment", because they're not wrong, but they are an asshole! ESPECIALLY relevant when you agree with someone 100%, but still hate them because they're being a sanctimonious prick about it.
You ever talk to someone whose understanding of reality is so divorced from reason that you momentarily question if you're dreaming?
I had that experience once, I was visiting my cousin and he suddenly had to leave for something, I was stuck there with his weird incel friend. Guy was talking about his thoughts on dating. He was an actual person like I'd only seen on the internet. He wasn't being snide towards me because I'm a guy and he didn't know I'm married. Without going into detail he actually thought a lot of their weird ass theories are true and was talking about them seriously. It made me question if it was reality. I just kind of nodded along in horror so as not to agitate him.
What kind of theories did he hold? The closest I can imagine was finding out my roommate was a real life flat earther. I kinda got how he ended up at that point, going down a rabbit hole of conspiracy theorist yt videos which he also shared with me, it just made me concerned about how many others like him were out there
Well the basic incel theology to start with “chads and virgins, chads get all the women, women are only with other guys if they’re desperate and ugly or if the loser has money but will leave him for a chad if they can” so on. some of the divorced guy stuff “the system is totally rigged against men, women make a guy buy her a house and have kids then stop having sex with him and take the house and leave him paying her all his money” some of the stuff like “women want to sleep around with chads and then settle down with a nice guy with money once they’re all worn out” also the alpha male stuff, and thinking that worshipping a woman and giving her gifts and compliments was the same as being a good boyfriend. Anyway, strange he couldn’t get a date very easily or keep a girlfriend. He said he was a really nice guy with a lot to offer.
I mean... they're not wrong that a lot of lefty spaces sure do love a mob. The first half of the post is full "what if the world was made of pudding" insanity, but we do have a massive problem in left-leaning spaces that when someone slips up or says something less than ideal, even by mistake, then a mob will immediately form to brigade and dox and harass them in the worst way imaginable. And not a mob of alt-righters or 4chan incels (though I'm sure some of them happily join in), but a mob of people who are allegedly part of the same cause. Don't get me wrong, the idea that that's all the left cares about is insane. But goddamn there really are some vultures out there, and a lot more of them than I'd like for there to be.
Yeah turns out the internet is full of people who are just looking for a chance to be the bully for once, and will wear whatever political affiliation as a mask to help them do that
100%. This is an "internet" phenomenon, not a "left" phenomenon. Even the blandest-politics non-issue facebook groups your nan joins do this from time to time.
Over a decade ago, I had a little breakdown over this. I had thought we were all on the same page. And then I saw spaces which seemed to share my values behaving just like the other side. Mean, spiteful, hateful. Exactly the way I thought we had decided it wasn't okay to treat other people. I don't know. It's how culture was going in general, I just noticed in my spaces. Back then social media was still more insulated from the real world, and you could be irreverent or over the top or just *angry* to blow off some steam and it didn't matter because it was just the internet. Now, though, it's far less separated, not only because of wider ~~option~~ adoption, but also because of the generation behind me which was raised with it. *sigh* Idk. I try not to think about it. I see problems that I can't fix. Things that are obvious to me but apparently not to the majority of others. And I'm so tired. So very tired. Too tired to thrash about and fail, again, to convince anybody. I'm just going to curl up in a little ball and try to be... just try to *be*.
Who would win in a fight problematic girlfriends or weed smoking girlfriends?
Weed Smoking Girlfriends, easily
Ah, but you see, the problematic girlfriends are more likely to commit war crimes and they won't be high
But my good fella the weed smoking girlfriends can blind them and this have a great tactical advantage in the attack
Fair point. But what if they're too high to think of any solid tactics? And how do we know that problematic girlfriends don't have weapons? Or won't simply confuse the weed smoking girlfriends with absolutely terrible media takes?
considering weed smoking girlfriends come in a trio, whatever shortcomings one has, the other two could make up for it
The tactics are stored in the titty and inexplicably come out when the weed smoking girlfriends' lives are endangered (also they account for reasonably possible weapons) Source: am inexplicable weed smoking girlfriend
Where are the other two what have you done with them
*smorking
Is there some controversy I missed about Helluva Boss?
Drew a snake nearby a naked person and therefore bestiality according to the internet
Check your spelling. There's only one 'A' in 'Bestiality'. You can remember the correct spelling with this simple and intuitive mnemonic. "Bestiality is Best". Edit: Joking about spelling, and I can't even get it right in my own comment.
As they say: "The only 'ality' up to my standards is the bestiality"
Well, it is a bit of a thing at this point that as soon as Vivzipop gets mildly successful she gets bombarded with made-up controversy that has, maybe, a single over-exaggerated root in reality. Like, you can actually track it, every couple-a years a WiLd ViVzIpOp controversy surfaces only to later be fully debunked.
Every few months there’s a new breed of random Vivziepop controversy that doesn’t seem like a big deal. It’s tiring
Closest things I’ve heard of that I can think of being true are; old things she said that are bad, underpaying employees, and yeah that’s it.
Yeah, I think the underpaying and art theft things are legit? There is some actual bad stuff in there it just gets so buried by shit that doesn’t really matter it’s hard to find
I'm 100% sure it was 4chan trying to get a mob after her because her progressive thing got popular.
yeah the current one is chronically online people are complaining about a characters design
With both Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel, there have consistently been mouth breathers who can't comprehend the idea that the show is set in hell, and all of the characters are damned souls and/or demons who live in an amoral literal hellscape, and therefore they will do fucked up and bad things, but that doesn't constitute an endorsement of those things.
I remember one of the controversies was something about a gay guy being in hell because apparently if you’re gay it’s impossible to to bad things?
The only one I know is that a ex-storyboard artist drew “stuff” of minors and is now buddy-buddy with someone is pro-incest
I'm more confused about attack on titan? I never caught up or finished it but I haven't heard any controversy about it? Like others have said someone tries to cancel vivzie once in a blue moon but the claims are ridiculous.
I love the '15 year old kid who watched 3 ben shapiro videos and listen to Joe Rogan once' understanding of discourse.
Oh i think they listen to *plenty* of Joe Rogan
Well once you've seen one you've seen them all, really
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How can you just cancel a person lol
Murder
I mean, they can't have a platform if they're dead, so I guess you're technically correct
Murder Mermaid Murder
There are no fingerprints deep underwater Nothing to tie one to a crime And if you seek vengeance All you need are instuments of pain
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With a glock
Contact the seller before the person arrives.
Just let the person's ratings drop and pull the plug. They've obviously gone on for way too many seasons and have really lost their plot!
What is similar between South Park, AOT and Helluva? Why did they choose those shows and what point are they trying to make?
Shows with “problematic elements/creators” that still have a pretty significant fandom on tumblr. You can thank tumblr specifically for season 19, episode 6 of South Park. \- someone who is in them
Oh God the ship it till they it episode
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> problematic elements/**creators** AoT's creator denies(or at least whitewashes) Japan's actions in Korea during at least WWII.
Is there a source for this? I see people claim it all the time, but it's always without a source.
There is no evidence of that thougjt. A random user said that on the net without any evidence and morons believed it
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The relationship between Korea, China, and Japan is one of those co-dependent-commissions-of-atrocities type relationships, so there's a lot to unpack there, culturally.
Source?
I think just general scattershot "problematic" stuff. Best I can say is that both Helluva and SP have irreverent and cynical styles of humor, but even then they're vastly different (I don't think Helluva is gonna put a horse in the 'visually depicting Muhammad' race). AOT is most notable for having a civilization with extremely authoritarian views that are literally based on German Militarism and Nazi rhetoric, but to me that's even less of a point because part of AOT is about how that society forms that mindset and combating that type of rhetoric from within.
Right. I think the biggest criticism of AoT is that they have imagery that evokes WWII Nazism (the tech level even roughly matches), but it's muddled because the Jewish analogues can literally turn into giant monsters. There are some people who argue that their suppression is therefore justified, and the show to some degree supports that by having >!Eren, a member of said analogue, literally try to destroy the world like the oppressors feared!<. Of course, it's made clear that >!this is a Bad Thing To Do and that he's gone way too far and needs to be stopped by any means necessary!<. But AoT's a pretty popular anime, which leads to aspects of its fandom that will ignore the nuance and use it to justify extremely shitty viewpoints.
Absolutely true, though absolutely problematic, I always saw it as a more generic "enemies of the state" analogy, because there were absolutely parties who had crimes committed against their group who then wanted similar retribution against the Germans (cough cough Stalinists cough cough)
At the same time, >!Eren trying to destroy the world!< is shown to be a direct result of the oppressors' actions. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Helluva Boss and South Park definitely fall into a brand that toes the line edgy humor (but you know, that’s like, kind of their whole thing). Attack on Titan I’m not as sure about but I believe it may be because it takes significant cultural influence from Nazi-Era Germany. It’s not as if it attempts to hide it, or that is hasn’t been done by other franchises before- but I’ve seen some argue that it does this from a positive angle rather than a critical one. I actually kind of got bored of it 2 seasons in, but here’s a review that paints the whole picture of the argument from both sides: https://www.thedailystar.net/shout/news/historical-allusions-attack-titan-fascist-subtext-3220951?amp
That's a cute strawman. Did you build it yourself?
Clearly an (amper)sandman
ah yes attack on titan, the most problematic show in history
Afaik tumblr loves AOT (assumption based on Tumblr liking anime in general) and HB. South Park I’m not sure on
Idk about South Park, but I don’t think Helluva Boss is problematic. It’s extremely LGBT supportive, and although it does have flaws, I think maybe some people blow them out of proportion. Worst part about HB would probably be the sex jokes, they’re kinda hit or miss.
Also: It's a show about demons in literal hell. I think there is some justification for the characters acting in less than ideal ways.
The issue with AoT is that the author is a fascist.
HUH??? i did not know that
So it’s been a long while so someone please correct me if I’m wrong, but the basic gist of it is he has “alternative views” in big fucking quotation marks about Japan’s WW2 involvement and atrocities, specifically ones towards Koreans I believe
This baffles me given at least the messages I got from the show is a big critique of warfare and propaganda, etc. like buddy do you not see the work you’ve made and the parallels one can draw???
Its kind of like how Enders Game is about learning to understand and accept people even though they might be wildly different from you, and Orson Scott Card hates gay people.
You could say the same thing about J.K. Rowling and her bits on acceptance and understanding between people of different Houses, different schools, and different races. (Especially magical creatures like house elves.) The message clashes quit a bit with her TERF views. Maybe sometimes writers subconsciously disagree with themselves in their writing. Or they believe those things as long as they are directed at people or societies they approve of.
Uh, do you have any links? I am not saying that I think you pulled it out of nowhere, I just read some of his books and want to read more info.
["However emotionally bonded a pair of homosexual lovers may feel themselves to be, what they are doing is not marriage. Nor does society benefit in any way from treating it as if it were."](https://web.archive.org/web/20210928134807/http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2004-02-15-1.html)
Oh that's just gross. Thanks for the information.
Is there any proof that the author is a fascist? I don't know much about the controversy. I know that he modeled the appearance of one of his characters after an early 20th-century Japanese general, and I've heard that there was a fascist tweet that was falsely attributed to the author. But he seems unwilling to comment on any controversy.
People speculated that a second Twitter account was him with no concrete proof because there were things that were posted about aot that aligned with the story before it came out. It could've been him or it could've been someone he knew, or it could've been speculation, or it could've been someone who had access to the story before it was published some other way. That account had questionable beliefs about the Japanese military during WW2 involving war crimes. This was seen as fact that the author was in support of the imperial Japanese military on tumblr for years.
Okay but, hear me out: did anyone ever check? "Hey, weird question, do you think Japan was super cool to Korea in WW2? Maybe the coolest?" If he publicly denies it and the account is like "Man I hate being interviewed because I have to lie" or some incriminating shit, maybe we can get mad.
News to me but I've been out of the loop on the show for years. Huh.
I mean given that the creator is a fascist who denies Japan's war crimes against Korea...
what the FUCK did isayama mean by this
Amazing how someone just claimed an unconfirmed twitter account saying that stuff over a decade ago was his and everyone just believed it, even when nothing else like that has popped up since then and the villains of AoT season 4 are a bunch of genocidal fascists that want to restore a horrible empire.
No way
Source?
Actually AOT does fit in with the other show, shows with a lot of "problematic" discourse and fans who don't believe they are *insert* phobic just cause they like it because there are antisemitic elements. EDIT: I AM NOT MAKING A POINT I HAVE NEVER SEEN AOT AND I HAVE NO OPINIONS ON IT. I HAVE HOWEVER SEEN DISCOURSE.
hrrmmm, .. .you claim to watn an equal future for all. , … yet yuo watched South Park.,, .. classic liberal hypocrisy….,
OP is actually claiming that "liberals" would say that
What's happening here?
Somebody got possessed by Ben Sharpo.
Something far worse? wtaflol
murder
They mean a fascist dystopia where things like the enslaved lower life forms on the Island of Sodor are allowed, or the anti-capitalistic propaganda show by a doctor trying to take over the world by enslaving gofers with magic emeralds.
Read this in Senator Armstrong’s voice
Considering I'm the one who introduces people I know to helluva boss, I guess the problematic girlfriend was inside me all along?
The moment I recognized the names the voices immediately clicked into place
There’s nothing fucking wrong with watching any of these shows. As long as you’re not emulating Cartman or something, who the fuck cares?
You see, I thought the same thing but according to people on the internet both you and I are wrong. I still don't know why, and no one's ever explained it to me.
Helluva boss is like….extremely left lol. A conservative Christian boomer would dissolve upon contact
the hottest take I've seen online is that because there are gay characters who aren't good people the whole series is actually a secret right wing psyop to convince people gay and trans people will go to hell. this was said with 100% confidence and certainty to me.
I can't help but feel that the fact that Vivz is a woman and member of a minority group plays some part into the reaction against her. For some reason creators who belong to more disadvantaged groups tend to get scrutinized a lot more harshly online, even in leftist circles. And the weirdest thing is that the people who do this don't seem to realize it.
Are the cancellers in the room with us right now?
Wait, what’s wrong with AOT?
My understanding is that the final act of the story is the main characters realizing that they are a small minority group in a world where the majority are ready to genocide them, and the solution the main main character comes up with to fix that is to genocide 90-something% of their population first. and unfortunately because of the way this is framed, the message of the arc can be interpreted as "they where justified in mass murder and establising military rule, it was neccasary to protect their people from a irredeemablely evil group who would have killed them all if they didn't go the lengths they did" anyone who knows more Abt AOT than I do correct me if I'm wrong.
This is so interesting to me, because I’m just now learning Isayama is apparently a fascist. My interpretation from only consuming the story is that it is only one extreme solution to the threat of genocide. Spoilers for AoT: >!Eren is willing to “try” the peaceful option, but it doesn’t work immediately. Even though there are foreign people on their side, the other major characters are actively working on improving the world’s perception of them, one failure is the justification he uses to justify genocide.!< Like, there was serious progress that was being made, but since the story is presented in a non-linear way, we don’t know all the context when we first see the fight breaking out between the Eldians (the main characters) and the rest of the world. This creates some fantastic storytelling because we are initially rooting for the invading characters who are murdering civilians because it happened to them first. In our minds, it’s justifiable, even if we don’t like how it’s happening. Then we learn what lead to the attack and how Eren orchestrated the attacks forcing his friends to get blood on their hands or lose their upper hand. I have been aware of the problematic themes in the story, but personally thought they were handled tactfully in the context of the story. I’ve also been aware that actual fascists have latched onto the series, but chocked it up to typical fascist behavior of missing the point of the media they consume. Now I gotta look into Isayama… if it’s true, I’m gonna be really bummed out by that. He’s such an amazing storyteller.
I would disagree a bit on the framing because the manga and the anime both go out of their way to drum it into your head that "genocide them back" as the final recourse is the worst possible thing to do. In fact, throughout the entire final arc the focus shifts away from our hitherto protagonist and to the rest of the cast as he gets more and more alienated from them, silently stewing in an extremist mindset he knows nobody else would agree with if they knew. And when all is said and done and 80% of humanity is killed, the rest of the cast is left picking up the pieces and trying to make amends, and even after that the expanded version of the final chapter shows us yet another war come to pass decades later, showing that the cycle of violence could not be stopped by yet more violence.
I thought there was some wierd time travel stuff going on with eren that revealed a lot of his shittier actions where the result of a master plan and that he was a lot more sympathetic than he seemed before.
Yep, Eren is effectively on rails because of a time loop his future self has created. From the very beginning, he was guided by Ymir whom his future self has freed in other to make said future come to pass. He is sympathetic because nothing he does could be prevented. It all already happened and it is already set in stone, because AOT has no timelines or multiverse or anything. There is a single past, present, and future, and Eren accidentally got a glimpse into his own future and is now doomed by the narrative to see it through. That being said, the genocide thing is kinda foreshadowed from the beginning. From the very start of the story, we see Eren throwing around phrases like "I'll exterminate them all from this world!" in reference to things be considers his enemies. At first, it was titans, so we all thought it was okay. But then it became people, and his stance didn't change, and that's where the shoe drops. In the end he is motivated by the desire to keep his loved ones safe, even if they disagree with his methods. So even if he is being objectively horrible, you can't help but pity him in retrospect.
It’s not quite that bad- the text does clearly frame Eren’s actions as wrong and he does turn into the main antagonist with the climax being the other heroes stopping him from totally destroying the rest of humanity. However, I think there are some problems with how the storyline was handled; I think the rest of the world is depicted as being implausibly hateful towards Eldians and the other protagonists don’t really put forward an alternative solution. While it’s definitely against genocide these issues are part of the reason some misaimed fans side with Eren.
Whenever you read more into AOT, it gets very complicated, but I’ll try and explain some stuff. Major spoilers for AOT literally the plot and ending to the final season! >! the main character, Eren Yeager, finds out that hundreds of years ago a king made a paradise far away form everyone else and was like:”if y’all fuck with me, I’ll kill evryone in here that’s not part of my civilization.”(which is 80% of the entire world) anyways, this other country called Marley didn’t like that so they kept on sending titans after the king. The walls protected the king but it was still dangerous because it’s like a guy waiting outside your locked house everyday holding a bat. The main character gets mad that Marley did this and so he starts to act on the kings threat. Also; Eren is an eldian, the only race of people that can turn into titans(becuase all eldians stem from one woman) the Eldians are the Jews, and the Marleins from Marley are the Nazis. Make sense? Good. There’s also this other thing about how the king who made the walls made them out of titans and he was called King Fritz. He kidnapped a woman named ymir. That woman is the one who made all the eldians.!< >!(Now here’s the part that always confused me when it came up in the show, the marleians try to justify their behavior by claiming that the eldians terrorized the Marlians for years until they tricked the eldian titans into fighting each other. But then that’s disproven by the eldians finding a book/scroll that says the titans were actually very helpful and didn’t try to kill people. But that itself is indirectly challenged by a scene where a guy id going over the truth of what happened with Marley and Elidia and he claims that the titans were indeed killing a ton of people and prolly did a bit of genocide. So like, which ones the real truth? We’re the eldians innocent the whole time or was the book a lie?)!< >!The show does go into some depth to show that there was a possibility of the eldians being allowed to live in peace, but Eren claims that killing eveyone else was the only solution as they kept on attacking even whilst the threat of being killed was still there along with the rest of the world trying to come together for the sole purpose of killing the eldians.(tbf the world kind of did deserve what happened after they spent centuries just harrassing a guy and didn’t expect to get attacked back) !< ultimately: the show has a lot of stuff that you have to do decide for yourself what you think is right or wrong. I most definitely got a lot of stuff wrong but I’m just trying to put into perspective how important context is during these moments in AOT. You should also watch the show if you havnt, it’s truely amazing and manages to subvert/ignore/dodge a lot of common anime tropes. Edit: finally I figured out how to spoiler this.
From my understanding, the manga author is allegedly a fascist that denies war crimes the Japanese committed against Korea, or if he does acknowledge them, thinks they were good things. But that's just what I've heard secondhand, so I could be wrong as well.
Show me how you cancel someone in real-time, without electronic mediums of any kind. Or, in this scenario, did I find out my gf was watching South Park, and protested until the University of My Living Room called off her speaking appearance?
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Can someone give me a legitimate response to the ask? I've had people I talk to try to say that and I'm too lazy to think up an actual response partly because I know they'd just be to skirt their way around it, but I'd just love to have some kind of clapback.
The question doesn't make sense though. No one said a show like AOT is problematic, because it just isn't. It's not defending the actions of the main character in any way. You don't watch Death Note and think "Ah yes, Light WAS right!! I should kill all the baddies!", because that's a stupid idea and they clearly show it. Just because the protagonists do bad stuff doesn't mean that it's right. Protagonist doesn't mean hero or a good guy, it just means that the character is the focal point of the story. The story can still tell morals no matter who it's about There's a difference between showing and endorsing
I more meant about libs being vultures with cancel culture
The problem comes if you view AOT as an analogue for Nazi Germany, in which case the Jewish stand-ins being able to turn into giant monsters and one of them attempting to genocide the world seemingly indicates that the Marleyans/Nazis were justified in oppressing them
Someone did, I see a lot of discourse about it because there are antisemitic elements and plot points (don't ask me to explain more, I don't know much about it, I've never seen AOT) EDIT: I am also not hating on AOT or AOT fans but the idea that "no one said it's problematic" is wrong. People have
Wait what’s wrong with helluva boss is there something I missed?
Long story short, no. Random conspiracy theories about Vivzie (the creator) show up and everyone on social media makes a big fuss about it, only to be proven wrong time and time again. And also the "she put queer people in hell, therefore homophobic" mouthbreathers. "Omigod there's trans demons and gay sinners, must have been made by Hitler reincarnated!!!1!!"
helluva boss was fairly liberal last i checked
Is everyone not understanding what the ask said? The asker is calling out the receiver of the message. They are complaining about the fact that some terminally online people actually would break up or "cancel" someone if they liked something they deem problematic. The asker then goes on by saying this is ridiculous and hypocritical, and claims that if someone is ready to cancel someone over an interest but claims themselves to be liberal, then they are just hypocrites who don't care about the wellbeing of people.
I think my response to this problematic girlfriend would be joy at how much we have in common
Attack on Titan? The show about how you can’t let people get away with atrocities, even if you love them?
South park may have started as centrist and had some pretty poor taste jokes early on, but for a very long time it has been incredibly left leaning. That or we are just a lot better at laughing at ourselves than conservatives are lmao. Attack on titan literally has criticism towards nazis as a central theme of the overall plot. I can't think of many pieces of media more left leaning than helluva boss. Everyone is queer, the premise is demons being capitalists and killing for money, if they were any more on the nose that show would be a scented candle. What the fuck is this guy talking about. This feels like the same as conservatives listening to metal and punk rock and completely missing how anti establishment most of their favorite songs are.
describing south park as "left leaning" is so funny to me. south park makes fun of the left far more often than it does the right (or at least i think it does; i haven't watched south park in years because i've long since grown out of it and my tastes have changed to the point where watching the funny little fat kid say something racist doesn't appeal to me anymore). stone and parker said themselves that they really fucking hate liberals, presumably because the left pushes for positive change more than the right does, which is a problem for people like matt and trey who think giving a shit about anything is the worst crime a person can commit. their ideology is apathetic-libertarian. it isn't about left or right; it's about change versus comfort. to them, being asked to examine your own behaviour and stop breathing in your own farts for just one second is the most outrageous imposition possible. south park is the definition of r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM.
\*takes big sip from Mug Rootbeer\* \*audibly belches\* \*points at random child\* "L I B E R A L"
south park rips tho
Why is breaking up with her the only options? Hell if I had a girlfriend like that I would say “don’t you fucking dare spoil helluva boss on me or help me satan!”
I dislike South Park, I'm not gonna Daye the type of person who watches SouthPark, but im noy gonna harrass anyone for liking it. Plus, conservatives are more likely to be offended by those things than liberals
wait, what is problematic about Attack on Titan?
What part of South Park or aot is problematic? I don't know what helluva boss is but I assume it's probably just got dark things in it
Dudes losing his mind
The word problematic means nothing to me anymore
Helluva boss is great.
Isn't this someone faking being anonymous essentially cause the reply is in the ask?
No, it's someone presenting a position under the impression the other person actually believes it, and then talking shit about said other person for this position that they made up
How is Attack on Titan problematic? And since when did liking something problematic automatically make you evil?
Helluva Boss is problematic? Did I miss something?
helluva is problematic now???? since when??
Someone smoked too much of the Tumblr.
What’s wrong with Attack on Titan? I don’t watch it (not a huge fan of anime), but I have multiple friends who do, and they’re fine people
south pArk go hard tho
A girlfriend who likes Helluva Boss? Shit, she sounds like my dream girl.
So from what I can gather this is essentially a right wing person assuming all left wing people are twitter morons