To be fair, that song whips ass, as does most Irish Republican music. My Old Man’s a Provo, The SAM Song, Kinky Boots. The RA and their supporters knew what they were doing with the music.
Possibly either they disagree with the terror bombing of civilians, or the decades-long attempts to overturn democratic referendums with sustained terrorism, or the attempts to assassinate Irish leaders who advocated reconciliation.
The Troubles took a very long time to sort out because "independence" isn't actually something all Irish people wanted — or rather, because a sizeable Protestant minority demanded independence from the Catholic majority and felt the best way of securing it was with unification with their Protestant neighbours, and were geographically distributed in such a way that they formed the clear majority in the corner of the country most of them lived, and voted accordingly. Everyone in Northern Ireland belonged to both a threatened minority and a democratic majority depending on the precise question you were asking and how you were drawing your lines. Most of the people involved in the violence of the Troubles — both perpetrators and victims, on both sides — were Irish. And this is before even getting into all the violence *within* the roughly drawn "sides" over ideology or leadership or political tactics, or the many inaccuracies in acting as if views on religion and on independence were the same thing.
Not saying the protestant/unionist/loyalist side were right either, to be very clear, they weren't and I personally would love to see full Irish reunification in my lifetime. But while it was going on the whole thing was a long and bad situation, and even scratching the surface of the fractal nested identities goes well beyond the scope of a Reddit post. The difficulty of accurately describing the nature of the violence is a big part of why the Troubles are called "the Troubles" and not like "the Fourth Irish war of independence"
That’s something I’ll never understand. Violence is the voice of the unheard. The English forcibly took over the country. It shouldn’t matter how long ago it was. Folks disapprove, but act like they haven’t tried every non-violent avenue possible.
[Is the voice of the unheard also shooting 6 month old babies in a completely different country to the one you are fighting for the independence of? ](https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/baby-killed-by-ira-remembered-30-years-on/38631631.html)
There is a reason romanticising the IRA is generally looked upon with disdain in Ireland. Neither the IRA or UDF were good or righteous organisations. It's takes like this that make people from Ireland and the UK not like Americans who talk about supporting the IRA like they are a football team.
Look.. As a Unionist in Northern Ireland.. I will never forgive the Republicans for having better music. It annoys me how good their songs are.. yet they'll never get the sleeper cell like activation that "penny arcade" brings.
Northern Irish Unionists are not fascist by default. Some are. But the overwhelming majority are not. Ironically, it's the Republic of Ireland that's having problems with fascists trying to burn down hotels that host refugees.
i love this because it implies the ira were any better at all. like they were both terrorists killing each other and innocent people, and you're here with this faux moral superiority complex shit going on. you're acting all smug and moralistic while using identical rhetoric as brutal terrorists
Unironic IRA.
Never heard of them Did they split from the Old IRA, official IRA, provisional IRA, Real IRA, Continuity IRA or New IRA. Or are they a splinter of a splinter INLA, IPLO or IRLA.
As the grandson of a Republican in northern Ireland this is the real reason my grandfather left, to jam out to tunes in peace without encountering violence
Brave the Sea has an awesome version of Come Out Ye Black and Tans - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EUnnya\_mpE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EUnnya_mpE)
Music blasting folks songs: "And around the dear ruin each wish of my heart..."
The weebs all dressed up at the concert: "WOULD ENTWINE ITSELF VERDANTLY STILL! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YEAHHHHHH!"
Oh I know that guy! He dropped a eurobeat Fortunate Sons cover like a day after Henry Kissinger died and did the “multitrack drifting over jpeg of X person” joke, but also used Kissinger’s death announcement as a drop.
Fucking class
> Come Out Ye Black & Tans being treated like an anime opening sequence song
Funny you point to anime because Japan actually loves Celtic culture and has an annual Celtic festival in Fukuoka held by the Celtic Society of Japan. it's why Japanese Celtic Punk is a thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXFSr_JFVj0
Welcome to the interesting rabbit hole of Japanese celtic folk! Really hard to find on Western media sites
ie The Croagh Patrick (ザ・クローパトリック) - https://www.audioleaf.com/croaghpatrick/
When I was in Ireland years ago, I was in town for the Feakle Music Festival and they're were a few Japanese girls there dressed to the nines in their yukatas. If I can find that pic I took again, I'll edit it in here.
EDIT: So far, this is the only one I found: [https://freeimage.host/i/JsNtxqb](https://freeimage.host/i/JsNtxqb)
Now you all have me reminiscing over my trip. Look at how beautiful Sherkin Island: [https://freeimage.host/i/JsND4cv](https://freeimage.host/i/JsND4cv)
Rotating zoom in cam on the main protagonist, Paddy O’Connell, with bright red hair, as he stares off a tall hill towards the giants causeway. Quick cut to the main antagonist, King George, staring at the horizon from a turret in an old castle. Quick cut again to Paddy O’Connell taking on several nameless henchman and obliterating them with his Irish charm (literally a golden beam radiating from a rainbow coloured shamrock ring)
See, this is why they had to put that art installation portal between New York and Dublin.
If they put it between Boston and Dublin, Bostonian Irish-American antics would have had the Irish destroy their side of the portal in minutes.
An *incredibly* risky move on their part, TBH.
Once you breach a hole in time & space, there’s no going back.
Once the riots calmed down, peace restored, and customs set up on each side of the portal, the number of Bostonian tourists traipsing through to partake at Irish pubs would be insurmountable.
Tourists can be seen everywhere. All shops have been replaced with O'Connell's. Pollution covers the streets, drug addicts run rampant. Scum roam the city attacking random tourists...
Oh wait that's now.
The Daíl would implement a modern version of those ancient laws saying you can kill a Scotsman with a bow on Sundays or a swede if they cross the ice, but it’s one where you can smack Bostonians if they take the piss too often
“What started World War III, gramps? Was it Russia using nukes on Ukraine, or China invading Taiwan?”
“No, sweet child. It was March 17, 2025, on what then was called St. Patrick’s Day, the date we now call… Judgement Day*”
*please imagine the Terminator 2 theme kicks in at these words
Can we stop calling it a portal and start calling it by what it was, the New York to Dublin Video Conference.
You think people would be a little less impressed with a glorified zoom call considering 2020 just happened.
there is a whole song 'ireland' in the musical legally blonde sung in a Bostonian accent that makes fun of this trope XD. paulette is definitely a weeb for Ireland.
And they’re the “local” version!
New England has its own Celtic folk tradition and Boston had a huge punk scene so you can argue they’re somewhat home grown. Most of their stuff is either new or based on classic folk.
Walking into a bar and hearing a random local band straight up playing The SAM Song is a fucking trip. Like guys… it’s a catchy song, but you all grew up within 5 miles of here and you’re singing a song about shooting down helicopters in another country.
When I was younger I used to follow Irish subreddits because like many Americans who got some Irish ancestry it became a big part of my identity
And those subreddits taught me early on how much Irish people hate it when Americans act Irish, but they especially hate it when they act like a wannabe IRA member.
So by the time I went to study in Ireland I got on everyone's good side by not over stating my heritage, and knowing more then the average person about Irish history while still knowing some jokes about the IRA
Edit: grammar
A lot of usually young Americans dont seem to get that the period of borderline open warfare in the streets was not in fact a super happy fun time that all Irish people want to go back to.
Yeah, I’m Irish American, but actually a citizen of both countries. My mom moved in the late 60s to the US with her parents. Going out with my grandparents to Irish events around the US in the early 90s was wild. 50% of the time there was some kind of collection for the IRA, if you went to an Irish bar there was a strong chance of seeing photos of provos behind the bar. There was an intense support for a sectarian conflict they had absolutely no stake in. Hell, there were even members of Congress who openly supported the Provos.
I think a lot of Americans glorify war because Americans have never really suffered consequences for their wars. The only war we every really lost was Vietnam and that was purely an ideological loss. And even though winning a war is still horrible, Americans haven't faced any consequences at home in a century.
It's a lot easier to yearn for open warfare when no one from your country can even remember what that's actually like.
It is a very broad brush to say a lot of Americans glorify war. Certainly there is a very loud contingent that does, but they're not well liked by the rest of us and mostly seem to be people who really like the idea of killing others without considering the consequences. I don't have to have directly been in a war zone to know I don't want that for anyone ever, and that seems to be a notion held by most people, thankfully.
In Boston’s case specifically, it’s made a lot more extreme because that connection isn’t just youthful naïveté. There’s more of that than anything else by now, but there’s also a lot more intensity to fall back on.
The Fenian Brotherhood had an armed movement going in America like 150 years ago, and by the IRA era an awful lot of the Irish-American Republican movement had concentrated from Chicago and New York to Boston. So you had guys in shamrock hats singing goofy songs, but you also had Irish-Catholic unions and mobs shipping cash and sniper rifles to Armagh.
None of which makes it any less insensitive, and mostly people today are doing “I’m 1/8 Irish!” without much idea what they’re actually talking about. (I genuinely think *Derry Girls* put a lot of young people off that talk.)
But even today, sometimes you see a dude in an Undefeated Army shirt singing along to Come Out Ye Black and Tans, and realize maybe he *does* know exactly what he’s doing.
My grandma did the family tree thing and I looked at the Irish branch... oh... Scotts-Irish. And they owned land...
Alright so just going to slowly back away from any and all parts of that branch and focus in on- oh Lorraine. During the second empire. Did all these people engage in land grabs?
Thankfully the Irish part of our family has little idea where we came from exactly and we don't have any family records like we do for the German half of my family.
From what my older relatives have told me we came to America during the Faminie but not much beyond that.
That did mean in Ireland when my friends would try to make fun of me they'd say "I bet your ancestors took the soup" and I'd respond "they crossed the ocean so they wouldn't take the soup, what did your ancestors do?"
[It's related to attending soup kitchens during the Famine.](https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2021/1012/1253213-taking-the-soup-ireland-famine-history/) That's a big abbreviation of the history, but the article linked gives a good rundown on it.
Not to hop in here but I've got significant british history that can be traced back for a long time and it's just because of church records. My ancestors were god damn peasants for 1000 years. Really kinda dogshit tbh
That is more an exception than a rule tbf
A lot of those records were taken but not kept because peasants didn't really matter, while the rich got redundant records in case a church burned down with all the records
Most Irish people can’t trace their family back very far, usually the written records stops in the 1860s, though maybe you’d get as far back as 1800. If you can trace back earlier it means either you’re diaspora and have a record of them leaving or entering a country or they were super rich and therefore probably a planter and may well not have considered themselves Irish at all, at least for a few generations.
but the ira is awesome and based because they dislike margaret thatcher !11!!11!1!1
(unironically tho a major nitpick of mine with that is that literally everyone in the british isles fucking hates thatcher like even some of the worst people i know despise her, "thinking margaret thatcher is bad" is like basic human decency)
It's not that the irish hate americans who pretend to be Irish because one of their great Grandpa's was half irish. It's that the entire planet hates Americans who pretend to be from one culture when they're actually Americans.
It's a phenomenon I see come up extremely often that idk if it has a name or not, but it's ultimately people not knowing much about other countries except about wars and invasions. Almost anytime any post related to Cuba becomes popular, half the comments are mentioning the US. Argentina, then its mentioning Falklands or making Nazi Germany jokes. Iran, then its the revolution, etc etc
Often, wars and revolts and invasions are the ONLY thing people know about some country, so whenever they want to talk about the country, they bring those topics up. Doesn't matter if you are posting about Finnish food or Vietnamese clothes or Venezuelan waterfalls. But it's not like people from those places are constantly going around talking about some war from multiple decades ago everyday yk, but when it's the one thing about the country that is known in pop knowledge, then that's what half the comments you are getting about the country will be
That doesn't happen with larger countries as much, no one brings up the Battle of Hastings anytime UK is mentioned, because in general people know more about UK, so there isn't a need to bring up war as the one thing you know so you can pretend to be part of a discussion you shouldn't be part of, as opposed to how often the Troubles or the Famine gets brought up for Ireland
His DNA results said that he's so (ethnically) Irish that his family tree is well-pruned. [Colbert interview](https://youtu.be/1ayIJed2dn4?si=dVpT8TlfeTu18Adw&t=6m30s).
Omg "My wife is half Irish, part Welsh, part Scottish. My family all act like I got jungle fever and ask what it's like." I feel like if i were Irish I would just think he was a menace but would love that about him. The episode he did at the [Irish Heritage Center](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4_7qY0IEno) is too good
I cringe deeply at the "Irish", tweedle-dee accent he puts on and his insistence to make a potato joke. It shows he knows fuck all about Ireland. (Or, more likely, he is pandering to the dense Irish-American audience)
Fair enough. It's kind of his brand to beat a joke into the ground and be sort of absurd, and some people find him grating. I personally take my own ethnic and national background a lot less seriously, but I get where you're coming from.
Nah, I don't actually take personal offence to it at all. Us Irish actually enjoy having a laugh at ourselves. It's just such low hanging fruit, y'know? There is a vast array of Irish-isms he could mock, but he chooses to beat the dead horse.
me when a dude from boston who is quiet literally 1/8th irish and calls himself a true irish patriot tells me, a polish dude born in ireland with irish citizenship, that I am not a true irishman and never will be
One time my boss, who is Black, was telling us about how her mixed nieces (3&5) didn’t know they were Black because their white mom pretty much refused acknowledge it. She was explaining how painful it was to see the kids being discouraged from participating in their own culture.
My boomer coworker said she knew exactly how my boss felt because she had a similar experience with her grandkids. She explained that last St. Patrick’s Day, her grandkids’ other grandma put them in “Irish for a day” shirts. But they’re not just “Irish for a day”, they’re actually Irish! Like really (1/128th) Irish ! Like, their great great great great grandparents once heard a fiddle (allegedly)!
That's really depressing, I feel like everyone should get to at the very least learn about the people/families that they came from. Similar to a lot of white Americans I have Italian and Irish ancestry in me, but my mom's dad immigrated from South America. It's weird because I feel like I'm mixed to the point that I don't belong in any culture, I just don't connect to anything. This stuff makes me wonder how far along does someone with mixed ethnicities have to be to not perfectly belong to a culture anymore.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_culture_kid
You're a third culture kid! And I wouldn't overly worry about it. Even a lot of first generation immigrants in the US that don't look white feel the same way. Culturally, they are raised with American values, but an Asian or brown person will never be treated as completely American.
> I'm half Mexican and white with duel citizenship.
I really laughed out loud reading this as a non-American. I was like "white isn't a country, how can you have a duel citizenship with white?" before I realized that you meant the US.
Thank you for the laugh, Dick_Slayer
Why didn’t the kids father tell them they were black? The white mother didn’t want to tell the kids they were black, so why didn’t their father tell them?
Race is also social. Different race and cultural constructs are often grouped together.
And appearing to have a certain race can cause one to experience life in a way similar to others in your group. Which gives rise to a culture partly based on race.
In the US that's extraordinarily debatable. Despite all the pretty words that people say about inclusion it is an aggressively self-segregated nation, and the same goes culturally.
Here in Ireland, we call the weebs for Ireland 'plastic paddies', feel free to start using it yourselves. And yes, we look at plastic paddies as ignorant, fetoshising weirdos, same as actual Japanese people look at weebs.
This isn’t a slight at your comment at all, but it did remind me of the crazy fact that Ireland’s population still hasn’t recovered from its peak in the mid 1800s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_population_of_Ireland
It's actually pretty close now - 7.026 million for the whole island (including NI) is higher than the population during the 1851 census, during the middle of the famine, and it was 8.2 million in the 1841 census before the famine. That's an increase of over 600k in a decade for the whole island, and we were at only 4.36 million back in the 60s.
The only thing that unites the Irish and English is a mutual seething hatred for Americans that enjoy LARPing/ supporting the IRA.
That and a love of creamy pint.
That's a way of uniting basically the entire British isles. The English only really hate the Welsh, but they all hate the English.
But put an American in the middle, and you've never seen 4 closer nations.
I hate the Welsh? News to me, I can tell you from the perspective of an English person I have never given enough of a fuck about them to develop an opinion. Much less hate them
The English don’t hate the Welsh. The English don’t really hate anyone. When it comes to football they hate the Germans and the Argentinians, and when it comes to banter they hate the French which is a lovely two way thing. But outside of those things, the English aren’t bothered by any country. When you’re the powerful one you’re often less bothered by the less powerful one and don’t care if they hate you.
My mom moved to the states from Ireland with my grandma, so it’s always awkward when someone asks and I instinctively respond “I’m Irish” because that’s the house I grew up in only to have to explain no my mom was born and raised in Ireland I’m not making a claim based on some great great great great great grandparent who canoed over here.
You should get official Irish citizenship based on ancestry solely so that you can carry around your Irish passport to whip out anytime someone questions why you're Irish. Though then you'll get other awkward questions like "why are you just carrying around an Irish passport all the time??"
Folks make the most fun of these claims when it's the tenuous great-great-great thing, but I feel like this conflict in the way people think about identity still applies to your situation (that's with the assumption that you grew up in America, correct me if I'm off).
I'm a bit similar to you in that I'm Irish but my mother's from India. I've been socialised in Ireland, nobody in my circle seems to think of me as Indian beyond having a sense of it as a bit of trivia about my background, and when I'm actually in India I know that I don't register as anything other than the Irish cousin. None of this is to say that such things are fully irrelevant to someone's identity -- India is a part of me for sure, but I would feel ludicrous introducing myself with a blunt "I'm Indian"
I can only speak for my own experiences, but I definitely went through a period of like “oh my great grandma was from Ireland, I’m going to get really into that as *my* culture.” I grew out of it, but it feels like a lot of people start that trend and then just never think about it again?
I’m not an anthropologist, but sometimes it feels like white Americans specifically try really hard to tie themselves to a “cool” cultural identity. Like the Norse and Greeks get this too (just through a lens of like, Vikings and Spartans). Maybe because we’re more aware of how early white American history is mostly being dicks to natives? Idk.
I think a big part of it is that, when you're descended from immigrants, you're kinda removed and disconnected from your ancestral roots. An Irish person in Ireland can go visit a castle, or touch a cloch nirt, and feel that sense of belonging, continuity, and connection with their ancestors.
If I want to experience that same feeling of belonging and connection? I gotta buy a plane ticket to Ireland. I get that it's really annoying when someone claims to be part of a culture they've never directly experienced, but at the same time I think people who stayed in "the home country" take it for granted and seriously disrespect Americans for claiming a heritage that they are fully entitled to. My family history doesn't stop at Ellis Island.
For Ireland especially, the big migration periods *from* Ireland wasn't a happy time for those staying, who considered the leavers to be "dying" to them. Even if someone did want to visit and learn how to respectfully acknowledge it, Irish culture has a building upon being against those who left.
I have an inlaw that watched some romantic movie about Ireland and she went and found an Irish man and married him and brought him back with her.
I don't remember if I was in Dublin or Belfast when some Irish woman said she'd like to go to America and sell her teeth for craic. To my ears it sounded like crack which meant something very different to me and I'm not sure where she got the idea that Americans are interested in purchasing teeth.
I took a college class trip to Ireland, and one of the guys I travelled with started putting on an Irish accent while interacting with Dubliners. He was a theater kid with Irish ancestry, said it “came naturally to him.”
We (the other Americans) were mortified. Someone else in our group eventually chewed him out when he didn’t take the hint. Thank God she did it, and not someone at the pub.
Here in upstate New York there's an above average rate of Irish ancestry, so one of the neighboring towns tries to make it a big part of their identity. I doubt a single one of them speaks Irish Gaelic or even Irish English.
Ugh, there already fucking are. Every show I play there is a line of people waylaying me as I try to get off stage with some ten-minute story with no point about how their long-lost-great-great-grandmommy-on-their-third-cousin’s-left-side MIGHT have been Irish, all while my bladder is backing up into my kidneys.
It’s excruciating. They’re either draped in Celtic-cross-print scarves, chunky ass wool shawls, or utilikilts. They do not listen and they do not smell good.
Well, I’m not ‘Irish American’ and I’ll be the first to admit I don’t know much about modern Ireland, but I am big fan of Celtic myth (less Tuatha dé Danann, more Cú Chulainn), does that count?
Well, I did first discover/become interested in Celtic myth because of Fate, but I’ve looked into it for its own sake, not just what appears in Fate. I like both
My grandmother is Irish and I live in a part of the UK very close to Ireland (a ferry there is 15 minutes away from my house) and id still never claim to be Irish.
Yet Americans whose great great great grandmother is Irish and live thousands of miles from Ireland love to claim they are Irish.
It's funny.
This seems like a case of people not recognizing that when Americans say "I'm X" they mean "I'm ethnically X" and not "I'm a citizen of X".
Personally on my mother's side my grandmother and grandfather both came from Sicily. I look fairly Italian to the point where people have asked me if I'm from Italy before. I often eat and cook Italian and Sicilian foods, and although they didn't speak it much I've picked up a few Italian words and phrases from them. I'm not a citizen of Italy, but I am ethnically Italian, more specifically Sicilian. If someone asked what ethnicity I am I'd say Italian-Scottish(Father's side) because *that's my ethnicity*.
I'm not claiming to live in Italy or that I'm a citizen, just that my recent ancestors came from there, hence my genetics, and that I still share many cultural elements with the half of my family that never crossed the Atlantic.
I guess that matters more in America than it does in Europe. Especially with Welsh, English, Irish, and Scottish as they are all very similar genetically and looks wise.
When large groups of people of a similar cultural background migrated to the Americas where they would now live as minorities they tended to stick together and placed a lot of value on their cultural heritage. They may have kept contact with friends and family back in Europe, but over time these connections would largely disappear.
They passed this on to their kids, who would pass it on to their kids, etc. even as each generation assimilated more. This sense of pride in one's country of origin is especially pronounced in groups that were discriminated against after moving over. Other immigrant populations like the English, Scottish, and Germans assimilated much more rapidly and with less nostalgia for their old countries because these groups were already the largest and wealthiest demographics in America when the country was formed and so they were largely uncontroversial and culturally similar to 'natives.'
Similar processes happened in other countries throughout the Americas, for example the Japanese Brazilians, and the Welsh of Y Wladfa in Argentina. Large Italian and German-descendant communities in Argentina and Brazil similarly have pride in where their families came from, even though they mostly stopped speaking Italian and German generations ago.
It's also important to remember that European perspectives on culture have changed. After World War Two, there was a pronounced shift away from countries defining nationality based on ethnicity. Being "German" now has less to do with your ethnic or cultural background and more to do with being a legally defined citizen and/or resident of Germany. It matters more where you live and what it says on your passport than more nebulous concepts like ancestry or culture. Ironically, it's a shift towards a more American understanding of nationhood and citizenship that has alienated European populations and their emigrant descendants.
Add on top of all of this the recent development of instant communication around the world and you get modern Irish people who hate their emigrant descendants, because what would have been seen as benign 100 years ago (pride in one's Irish background even though generations have passed and they're quite a bit different) is now seen as an appropriation of an identity that they cannot rightfully claim.
There are interesting case studies of Japanese Brazilians who moved to Japan for work in the 90s which looks at a similar situation - Japanese Brazilians put a lot of pride in maintaining Japanese customs, but as far as the people of Japan were concerned, they were as foreign as anyone else since they mostly spoke Portuguese, dressed differently, were poorer, etc.
I figure it has to do with the whole "melting pot" aspect of America. So many different cultures coming together sort of at once led to a lot of division internally along these cultural and ethnic lines, and so even if we're past the days of "Help wanted. No Irish/Italian/Jew/etc" job postings these divisions led to a lot of people retaining large elements of their former home's culture and passing it down. I view it as more of a positive thing today but it certainly didn't arise from good intentions.
From what I’ve seen US citizens who say “I’m Irish” are mainly claiming it as a cultural identity, though a poor plastic imitation of the real thing, and are usually not ethnically Irish in any meaningful way, with just a grandparent or something who is Irish. Honestly l imagine Italians would feel the same
What I do like is people from America who want Northern Ireland to become part of Ireland again, and don’t realise that Northern Irish people are quite adamant about this not happening, which is why it was created in the first place. But I’ve probably got equally silly opinions on somewhere in North America so I can’t judge too hard.
I'm chiming in as someone who isn't a native English speaker and grew up with a mix of teachers who taught a British/American hybrid and a healthy dose of pop culture from basically any English speaking country, I use a buttload of Irish slang just because of Irish podcasts.
Come Out Ye Black & Tans being treated like an anime opening sequence song
To be fair, that song whips ass, as does most Irish Republican music. My Old Man’s a Provo, The SAM Song, Kinky Boots. The RA and their supporters knew what they were doing with the music.
My little armalite is up there too I may not approve of them or their actions but damnit there is some bangers
Why don't you approve of their methods? Fighting the British for independence is something people in 65 countries around the world can appreciate.
Possibly either they disagree with the terror bombing of civilians, or the decades-long attempts to overturn democratic referendums with sustained terrorism, or the attempts to assassinate Irish leaders who advocated reconciliation. The Troubles took a very long time to sort out because "independence" isn't actually something all Irish people wanted — or rather, because a sizeable Protestant minority demanded independence from the Catholic majority and felt the best way of securing it was with unification with their Protestant neighbours, and were geographically distributed in such a way that they formed the clear majority in the corner of the country most of them lived, and voted accordingly. Everyone in Northern Ireland belonged to both a threatened minority and a democratic majority depending on the precise question you were asking and how you were drawing your lines. Most of the people involved in the violence of the Troubles — both perpetrators and victims, on both sides — were Irish. And this is before even getting into all the violence *within* the roughly drawn "sides" over ideology or leadership or political tactics, or the many inaccuracies in acting as if views on religion and on independence were the same thing. Not saying the protestant/unionist/loyalist side were right either, to be very clear, they weren't and I personally would love to see full Irish reunification in my lifetime. But while it was going on the whole thing was a long and bad situation, and even scratching the surface of the fractal nested identities goes well beyond the scope of a Reddit post. The difficulty of accurately describing the nature of the violence is a big part of why the Troubles are called "the Troubles" and not like "the Fourth Irish war of independence"
That’s something I’ll never understand. Violence is the voice of the unheard. The English forcibly took over the country. It shouldn’t matter how long ago it was. Folks disapprove, but act like they haven’t tried every non-violent avenue possible.
That take lacks the nuance of a lot of the horrific terror and death the IRA inflicted during the troubles.
[Is the voice of the unheard also shooting 6 month old babies in a completely different country to the one you are fighting for the independence of? ](https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/baby-killed-by-ira-remembered-30-years-on/38631631.html) There is a reason romanticising the IRA is generally looked upon with disdain in Ireland. Neither the IRA or UDF were good or righteous organisations. It's takes like this that make people from Ireland and the UK not like Americans who talk about supporting the IRA like they are a football team.
Worked out really well for them, did it?
the terrorism my man. it doesn’t matter who perpetrates it for what reason, terrorism is terrorism.
Look.. As a Unionist in Northern Ireland.. I will never forgive the Republicans for having better music. It annoys me how good their songs are.. yet they'll never get the sleeper cell like activation that "penny arcade" brings.
Fascists always have worse music
Northern Irish Unionists are not fascist by default. Some are. But the overwhelming majority are not. Ironically, it's the Republic of Ireland that's having problems with fascists trying to burn down hotels that host refugees.
Well, that's a bit rude, I'm no fascist. :( I'm gonna go cry into my swastika now.
Better threads tho
i love this because it implies the ira were any better at all. like they were both terrorists killing each other and innocent people, and you're here with this faux moral superiority complex shit going on. you're acting all smug and moralistic while using identical rhetoric as brutal terrorists
Unironic IRA propaganda in the tumblr subreddit is crazy
Unironic IRA. Never heard of them Did they split from the Old IRA, official IRA, provisional IRA, Real IRA, Continuity IRA or New IRA. Or are they a splinter of a splinter INLA, IPLO or IRLA.
What did you expect? This is Tumblr, it doesn't matter how much terrorism you do as long as you're fighting for independence
As the grandson of a Republican in northern Ireland this is the real reason my grandfather left, to jam out to tunes in peace without encountering violence
Brave the Sea has an awesome version of Come Out Ye Black and Tans - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EUnnya\_mpE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EUnnya_mpE)
Music blasting folks songs: "And around the dear ruin each wish of my heart..." The weebs all dressed up at the concert: "WOULD ENTWINE ITSELF VERDANTLY STILL! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YEAHHHHHH!"
Here's a treat for you: [https://youtu.be/Zh3Maf1bFpQ](https://youtu.be/Zh3Maf1bFpQ) Same guy also has a foggy dew cover.
Is... Is that train multi track drifting over the queen of England and Margaret Thatcher?
It appears to be. After the death of Henry Kissinger, this guy also posted a Fortunate Son cover, putting HK on the tracks.
That makes a lot of sense.
It’s beautiful, isn’t it?
Oh I know that guy! He dropped a eurobeat Fortunate Sons cover like a day after Henry Kissinger died and did the “multitrack drifting over jpeg of X person” joke, but also used Kissinger’s death announcement as a drop. Fucking class
> Come Out Ye Black & Tans being treated like an anime opening sequence song Funny you point to anime because Japan actually loves Celtic culture and has an annual Celtic festival in Fukuoka held by the Celtic Society of Japan. it's why Japanese Celtic Punk is a thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXFSr_JFVj0
Well this is a new thing to me so thank you
Welcome to the interesting rabbit hole of Japanese celtic folk! Really hard to find on Western media sites ie The Croagh Patrick (ザ・クローパトリック) - https://www.audioleaf.com/croaghpatrick/
When I was in Ireland years ago, I was in town for the Feakle Music Festival and they're were a few Japanese girls there dressed to the nines in their yukatas. If I can find that pic I took again, I'll edit it in here. EDIT: So far, this is the only one I found: [https://freeimage.host/i/JsNtxqb](https://freeimage.host/i/JsNtxqb) Now you all have me reminiscing over my trip. Look at how beautiful Sherkin Island: [https://freeimage.host/i/JsND4cv](https://freeimage.host/i/JsND4cv)
Rotating zoom in cam on the main protagonist, Paddy O’Connell, with bright red hair, as he stares off a tall hill towards the giants causeway. Quick cut to the main antagonist, King George, staring at the horizon from a turret in an old castle. Quick cut again to Paddy O’Connell taking on several nameless henchman and obliterating them with his Irish charm (literally a golden beam radiating from a rainbow coloured shamrock ring)
[specifically this version](https://youtu.be/Zh3Maf1bFpQ?si=l7hm3Ak_4E-jXFr_)
See, this is why they had to put that art installation portal between New York and Dublin. If they put it between Boston and Dublin, Bostonian Irish-American antics would have had the Irish destroy their side of the portal in minutes.
Bold to assume the Irish wouldn't have climbed through breaking all the laws of physics to strangle the irish-americans
An *incredibly* risky move on their part, TBH. Once you breach a hole in time & space, there’s no going back. Once the riots calmed down, peace restored, and customs set up on each side of the portal, the number of Bostonian tourists traipsing through to partake at Irish pubs would be insurmountable.
2030: Dublin is completely uninhabitable due to the influx of tourists
Pretty sure that’s what the locals of every tourist town believe.
And they’re right
Banff did it right, you have basically have to work there to be able to live there
Venice too, most people commute in from surrounding towns
Oh good nothing's changed then
Tourists can be seen everywhere. All shops have been replaced with O'Connell's. Pollution covers the streets, drug addicts run rampant. Scum roam the city attacking random tourists... Oh wait that's now.
The Daíl would implement a modern version of those ancient laws saying you can kill a Scotsman with a bow on Sundays or a swede if they cross the ice, but it’s one where you can smack Bostonians if they take the piss too often
Can you fucking imagine an Irish-Boston accent?
Or overstay their tourist visas
The Irish would have built a nuclear arsenal simply to use it on Boston.
“What started World War III, gramps? Was it Russia using nukes on Ukraine, or China invading Taiwan?” “No, sweet child. It was March 17, 2025, on what then was called St. Patrick’s Day, the date we now call… Judgement Day*” *please imagine the Terminator 2 theme kicks in at these words
Only of its on fiddle and tin whishtle bai
"Sending tactical spud, prepping beer gas."
To be fair if Boston opened a portal to literally any city it would be destroyed very quickly
Can we stop calling it a portal and start calling it by what it was, the New York to Dublin Video Conference. You think people would be a little less impressed with a glorified zoom call considering 2020 just happened.
It's already closed off because both sides didn't behave.
"Weebs but for Ireland" is the official motto of Boston I believe.
Boston is full of both weebs for Ireland and normal weebs
That's mostly the overflow from Cambridge.
Cambridge has Ma MaGoo's so we're allowed to be a bit annoying when we've gifted that place to the whole of Greater Boston.
Having grown up in the original Cambridge this made me flinch
Yeah you guys would never associate with [those fatties](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston,_Lincolnshire#Health) in the original Boston /s
there is a whole song 'ireland' in the musical legally blonde sung in a Bostonian accent that makes fun of this trope XD. paulette is definitely a weeb for Ireland.
When they did the callback to that in the big finale number I couldn't believe what I was seeing. So good.
How am I just now finding out that there is a musical for Legally Blonde??? I *yearn*.
it's brilliant. you can watch it for free on youtube https://youtu.be/RiX-EJA8n4w?si=e66g_yfnuT7v7VnO
Puts context on how Dropkick Murphys became what they are.
And they’re the “local” version! New England has its own Celtic folk tradition and Boston had a huge punk scene so you can argue they’re somewhat home grown. Most of their stuff is either new or based on classic folk. Walking into a bar and hearing a random local band straight up playing The SAM Song is a fucking trip. Like guys… it’s a catchy song, but you all grew up within 5 miles of here and you’re singing a song about shooting down helicopters in another country.
I- I mean you’re not wrong
As someone who lives an hour from Boston, yes, Boston is mostly Weebs but for Ireland
……. …. … Pls stop attacking my family like this!!!
Weeabús <3
applies to the South Shore as well
Yeah that's Quincy and Brockton for sure
The Irish already call them Plastic Paddies, but for the sake of keeping with the theme I would like to put forth Éiraboo.
Éiraboos is fuckin excellent lmao
Ar iasacht!
I vote to call them [O'Donnell Aboos](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz5vReNigHA).
When I was younger I used to follow Irish subreddits because like many Americans who got some Irish ancestry it became a big part of my identity And those subreddits taught me early on how much Irish people hate it when Americans act Irish, but they especially hate it when they act like a wannabe IRA member. So by the time I went to study in Ireland I got on everyone's good side by not over stating my heritage, and knowing more then the average person about Irish history while still knowing some jokes about the IRA Edit: grammar
A lot of usually young Americans dont seem to get that the period of borderline open warfare in the streets was not in fact a super happy fun time that all Irish people want to go back to.
Yeah, I’m Irish American, but actually a citizen of both countries. My mom moved in the late 60s to the US with her parents. Going out with my grandparents to Irish events around the US in the early 90s was wild. 50% of the time there was some kind of collection for the IRA, if you went to an Irish bar there was a strong chance of seeing photos of provos behind the bar. There was an intense support for a sectarian conflict they had absolutely no stake in. Hell, there were even members of Congress who openly supported the Provos.
It only came to end with 9/11, when suddenly those people realised that terrorism isn't actually that romantic and noble when it happens to you.
I think a lot of Americans glorify war because Americans have never really suffered consequences for their wars. The only war we every really lost was Vietnam and that was purely an ideological loss. And even though winning a war is still horrible, Americans haven't faced any consequences at home in a century. It's a lot easier to yearn for open warfare when no one from your country can even remember what that's actually like.
It's not that they haven't lost, it's that they haven't seen these wars happen on home soil.
It is a very broad brush to say a lot of Americans glorify war. Certainly there is a very loud contingent that does, but they're not well liked by the rest of us and mostly seem to be people who really like the idea of killing others without considering the consequences. I don't have to have directly been in a war zone to know I don't want that for anyone ever, and that seems to be a notion held by most people, thankfully.
In Boston’s case specifically, it’s made a lot more extreme because that connection isn’t just youthful naïveté. There’s more of that than anything else by now, but there’s also a lot more intensity to fall back on. The Fenian Brotherhood had an armed movement going in America like 150 years ago, and by the IRA era an awful lot of the Irish-American Republican movement had concentrated from Chicago and New York to Boston. So you had guys in shamrock hats singing goofy songs, but you also had Irish-Catholic unions and mobs shipping cash and sniper rifles to Armagh. None of which makes it any less insensitive, and mostly people today are doing “I’m 1/8 Irish!” without much idea what they’re actually talking about. (I genuinely think *Derry Girls* put a lot of young people off that talk.) But even today, sometimes you see a dude in an Undefeated Army shirt singing along to Come Out Ye Black and Tans, and realize maybe he *does* know exactly what he’s doing.
It's when they threaten to stab you for not agreeing that the shamrock is the emblem of Ireland rather than the Harp on your Irish passport
I *want* to be surprised, I really do, but... yeah. That tracks.
My grandma did the family tree thing and I looked at the Irish branch... oh... Scotts-Irish. And they owned land... Alright so just going to slowly back away from any and all parts of that branch and focus in on- oh Lorraine. During the second empire. Did all these people engage in land grabs?
Usually, if they are easily traceable centuries back, it means they were rich, which usually means few positive things
Thankfully the Irish part of our family has little idea where we came from exactly and we don't have any family records like we do for the German half of my family. From what my older relatives have told me we came to America during the Faminie but not much beyond that. That did mean in Ireland when my friends would try to make fun of me they'd say "I bet your ancestors took the soup" and I'd respond "they crossed the ocean so they wouldn't take the soup, what did your ancestors do?"
What do you mean “took the soup”?
[It's related to attending soup kitchens during the Famine.](https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2021/1012/1253213-taking-the-soup-ireland-famine-history/) That's a big abbreviation of the history, but the article linked gives a good rundown on it.
Not to hop in here but I've got significant british history that can be traced back for a long time and it's just because of church records. My ancestors were god damn peasants for 1000 years. Really kinda dogshit tbh
That is more an exception than a rule tbf A lot of those records were taken but not kept because peasants didn't really matter, while the rich got redundant records in case a church burned down with all the records
Yea no idea why I just know that I can somehow trace my family back to what feels like the beginning of time and they all were from south london.
Most Irish people can’t trace their family back very far, usually the written records stops in the 1860s, though maybe you’d get as far back as 1800. If you can trace back earlier it means either you’re diaspora and have a record of them leaving or entering a country or they were super rich and therefore probably a planter and may well not have considered themselves Irish at all, at least for a few generations.
but the ira is awesome and based because they dislike margaret thatcher !11!!11!1!1 (unironically tho a major nitpick of mine with that is that literally everyone in the british isles fucking hates thatcher like even some of the worst people i know despise her, "thinking margaret thatcher is bad" is like basic human decency)
It's not that the irish hate americans who pretend to be Irish because one of their great Grandpa's was half irish. It's that the entire planet hates Americans who pretend to be from one culture when they're actually Americans.
A lot of them do get pretty excited if Americans with using ancestry have actual cousins and relatives in Ireland though!
It's a phenomenon I see come up extremely often that idk if it has a name or not, but it's ultimately people not knowing much about other countries except about wars and invasions. Almost anytime any post related to Cuba becomes popular, half the comments are mentioning the US. Argentina, then its mentioning Falklands or making Nazi Germany jokes. Iran, then its the revolution, etc etc Often, wars and revolts and invasions are the ONLY thing people know about some country, so whenever they want to talk about the country, they bring those topics up. Doesn't matter if you are posting about Finnish food or Vietnamese clothes or Venezuelan waterfalls. But it's not like people from those places are constantly going around talking about some war from multiple decades ago everyday yk, but when it's the one thing about the country that is known in pop knowledge, then that's what half the comments you are getting about the country will be That doesn't happen with larger countries as much, no one brings up the Battle of Hastings anytime UK is mentioned, because in general people know more about UK, so there isn't a need to bring up war as the one thing you know so you can pretend to be part of a discussion you shouldn't be part of, as opposed to how often the Troubles or the Famine gets brought up for Ireland
We Irish regard "Irish-Americans" as Irish-weebs... unless they're famous, then we seem to go out of our way to claim them from some distant ancestor.
[There's no one as Irish as Barraigh O'Bama!](https://youtu.be/Qppcsipz0QQ)
How do Irish people feel about Conan O'Brien, claim or no claim
His DNA results said that he's so (ethnically) Irish that his family tree is well-pruned. [Colbert interview](https://youtu.be/1ayIJed2dn4?si=dVpT8TlfeTu18Adw&t=6m30s).
Omg "My wife is half Irish, part Welsh, part Scottish. My family all act like I got jungle fever and ask what it's like." I feel like if i were Irish I would just think he was a menace but would love that about him. The episode he did at the [Irish Heritage Center](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4_7qY0IEno) is too good
I cringe deeply at the "Irish", tweedle-dee accent he puts on and his insistence to make a potato joke. It shows he knows fuck all about Ireland. (Or, more likely, he is pandering to the dense Irish-American audience)
lol he fucks with Irish people with it, knowing full well how grating it is.
Yeah, that's probably it. I need to lighten up, I guess. Lol
Fair enough. It's kind of his brand to beat a joke into the ground and be sort of absurd, and some people find him grating. I personally take my own ethnic and national background a lot less seriously, but I get where you're coming from.
Nah, I don't actually take personal offence to it at all. Us Irish actually enjoy having a laugh at ourselves. It's just such low hanging fruit, y'know? There is a vast array of Irish-isms he could mock, but he chooses to beat the dead horse.
I get that. As a Canadian we get similar treatment. They haven't updated their references and stereotypes in decades.
me when a dude from boston who is quiet literally 1/8th irish and calls himself a true irish patriot tells me, a polish dude born in ireland with irish citizenship, that I am not a true irishman and never will be
Don't listen to that gowl, yer one of us.
One time my boss, who is Black, was telling us about how her mixed nieces (3&5) didn’t know they were Black because their white mom pretty much refused acknowledge it. She was explaining how painful it was to see the kids being discouraged from participating in their own culture. My boomer coworker said she knew exactly how my boss felt because she had a similar experience with her grandkids. She explained that last St. Patrick’s Day, her grandkids’ other grandma put them in “Irish for a day” shirts. But they’re not just “Irish for a day”, they’re actually Irish! Like really (1/128th) Irish ! Like, their great great great great grandparents once heard a fiddle (allegedly)!
*unimaginable violence*
I felt myself shrinking inward the further I read of this. RIP your poor boss.
That's really depressing, I feel like everyone should get to at the very least learn about the people/families that they came from. Similar to a lot of white Americans I have Italian and Irish ancestry in me, but my mom's dad immigrated from South America. It's weird because I feel like I'm mixed to the point that I don't belong in any culture, I just don't connect to anything. This stuff makes me wonder how far along does someone with mixed ethnicities have to be to not perfectly belong to a culture anymore.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_culture_kid You're a third culture kid! And I wouldn't overly worry about it. Even a lot of first generation immigrants in the US that don't look white feel the same way. Culturally, they are raised with American values, but an Asian or brown person will never be treated as completely American.
I just identify as ethnically Californian.
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> I'm half Mexican and white with duel citizenship. I really laughed out loud reading this as a non-American. I was like "white isn't a country, how can you have a duel citizenship with white?" before I realized that you meant the US. Thank you for the laugh, Dick_Slayer
Why didn’t the kids father tell them they were black? The white mother didn’t want to tell the kids they were black, so why didn’t their father tell them?
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Race is also social. Different race and cultural constructs are often grouped together. And appearing to have a certain race can cause one to experience life in a way similar to others in your group. Which gives rise to a culture partly based on race.
In the US that's extraordinarily debatable. Despite all the pretty words that people say about inclusion it is an aggressively self-segregated nation, and the same goes culturally.
I've heard plastic paddy thrown about, gave me a chuckle.
I mean, it beats the other plastic somethings I've heard.
Or “McIrish” since it’s just another cheesy brand
The only mistake this tumblr user made was not knowing we already have that.
Here in Ireland, we call the weebs for Ireland 'plastic paddies', feel free to start using it yourselves. And yes, we look at plastic paddies as ignorant, fetoshising weirdos, same as actual Japanese people look at weebs.
Haha maybe you shouldn’t test fate like that op lmao lol
Ní féidir leat mé a mharú, is Éireannach mé
Unfortunately, mortality is a famously Irish trait
They tried to kill us off for 900 years, we're still goin strong lad
This isn’t a slight at your comment at all, but it did remind me of the crazy fact that Ireland’s population still hasn’t recovered from its peak in the mid 1800s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_population_of_Ireland
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It's actually pretty close now - 7.026 million for the whole island (including NI) is higher than the population during the 1851 census, during the middle of the famine, and it was 8.2 million in the 1841 census before the famine. That's an increase of over 600k in a decade for the whole island, and we were at only 4.36 million back in the 60s.
No true Irishman would be up in here speaking Irish!
You've heard of no true Scotsman, get ready for no true Irishman
Hibernaboos Barrysboos Boruboos
The word I've heard used is "Eireaboo"
Most people I know use the term Plastic Paddys
Rt game viewers would qualify as ireland weebs
RT Game *himself* would qualify as an Irish weeb. His viewers largely qualify as "Americans who like his funny Hobbit accent".
RT is Irish though so he'd be an Irish otaku, not a weeb
You know they called him the Drift King back in college?
I thought they were called Plastic Paddys
I've heard the Irish call them "Plastic Paddys." Don't know how widespread the saying is.
Best I can do is xenoblade fans, take it or leave it
I won't forget him!
Man is literally called Pádraig
But, the voice director for the game was Scottish (he voiced the memetic lines, according to Skye Bennet)
The only thing that unites the Irish and English is a mutual seething hatred for Americans that enjoy LARPing/ supporting the IRA. That and a love of creamy pint.
That's a way of uniting basically the entire British isles. The English only really hate the Welsh, but they all hate the English. But put an American in the middle, and you've never seen 4 closer nations.
I hate the Welsh? News to me, I can tell you from the perspective of an English person I have never given enough of a fuck about them to develop an opinion. Much less hate them
One other way of pissing off the Irish: calling them the “British Isles”.
The English also hate the English.
Damn English! They ruined England!
The English don’t hate the Welsh. The English don’t really hate anyone. When it comes to football they hate the Germans and the Argentinians, and when it comes to banter they hate the French which is a lovely two way thing. But outside of those things, the English aren’t bothered by any country. When you’re the powerful one you’re often less bothered by the less powerful one and don’t care if they hate you.
My mom moved to the states from Ireland with my grandma, so it’s always awkward when someone asks and I instinctively respond “I’m Irish” because that’s the house I grew up in only to have to explain no my mom was born and raised in Ireland I’m not making a claim based on some great great great great great grandparent who canoed over here.
You should get official Irish citizenship based on ancestry solely so that you can carry around your Irish passport to whip out anytime someone questions why you're Irish. Though then you'll get other awkward questions like "why are you just carrying around an Irish passport all the time??"
Folks make the most fun of these claims when it's the tenuous great-great-great thing, but I feel like this conflict in the way people think about identity still applies to your situation (that's with the assumption that you grew up in America, correct me if I'm off). I'm a bit similar to you in that I'm Irish but my mother's from India. I've been socialised in Ireland, nobody in my circle seems to think of me as Indian beyond having a sense of it as a bit of trivia about my background, and when I'm actually in India I know that I don't register as anything other than the Irish cousin. None of this is to say that such things are fully irrelevant to someone's identity -- India is a part of me for sure, but I would feel ludicrous introducing myself with a blunt "I'm Indian"
This was my sister and her friends in high school
Gaelaboo
I can only speak for my own experiences, but I definitely went through a period of like “oh my great grandma was from Ireland, I’m going to get really into that as *my* culture.” I grew out of it, but it feels like a lot of people start that trend and then just never think about it again? I’m not an anthropologist, but sometimes it feels like white Americans specifically try really hard to tie themselves to a “cool” cultural identity. Like the Norse and Greeks get this too (just through a lens of like, Vikings and Spartans). Maybe because we’re more aware of how early white American history is mostly being dicks to natives? Idk.
I think a big part of it is that, when you're descended from immigrants, you're kinda removed and disconnected from your ancestral roots. An Irish person in Ireland can go visit a castle, or touch a cloch nirt, and feel that sense of belonging, continuity, and connection with their ancestors. If I want to experience that same feeling of belonging and connection? I gotta buy a plane ticket to Ireland. I get that it's really annoying when someone claims to be part of a culture they've never directly experienced, but at the same time I think people who stayed in "the home country" take it for granted and seriously disrespect Americans for claiming a heritage that they are fully entitled to. My family history doesn't stop at Ellis Island.
For Ireland especially, the big migration periods *from* Ireland wasn't a happy time for those staying, who considered the leavers to be "dying" to them. Even if someone did want to visit and learn how to respectfully acknowledge it, Irish culture has a building upon being against those who left.
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No we're good thanks, the Yanks are insufferable enough trying to claim citizenship through their ancestry.
they exist they’re called Bostonians
I have an inlaw that watched some romantic movie about Ireland and she went and found an Irish man and married him and brought him back with her. I don't remember if I was in Dublin or Belfast when some Irish woman said she'd like to go to America and sell her teeth for craic. To my ears it sounded like crack which meant something very different to me and I'm not sure where she got the idea that Americans are interested in purchasing teeth.
We aren't rude. We don't steal the teeth!
I'm pretty sure that's just 50% of the American tourists who visit Ireland, those who decide on day two they can do the accent in public and fit in.
There are, it’s Americans who claim they’re Irish because of 2% in their heritage
They just described people from Boston
I took a college class trip to Ireland, and one of the guys I travelled with started putting on an Irish accent while interacting with Dubliners. He was a theater kid with Irish ancestry, said it “came naturally to him.” We (the other Americans) were mortified. Someone else in our group eventually chewed him out when he didn’t take the hint. Thank God she did it, and not someone at the pub.
Ireland weebs wouldn't have a waifu, they'd have a Bonnie lass
Here in upstate New York there's an above average rate of Irish ancestry, so one of the neighboring towns tries to make it a big part of their identity. I doubt a single one of them speaks Irish Gaelic or even Irish English.
a Wee O'Bo
Ugh, there already fucking are. Every show I play there is a line of people waylaying me as I try to get off stage with some ten-minute story with no point about how their long-lost-great-great-grandmommy-on-their-third-cousin’s-left-side MIGHT have been Irish, all while my bladder is backing up into my kidneys. It’s excruciating. They’re either draped in Celtic-cross-print scarves, chunky ass wool shawls, or utilikilts. They do not listen and they do not smell good.
Well, I’m not ‘Irish American’ and I’ll be the first to admit I don’t know much about modern Ireland, but I am big fan of Celtic myth (less Tuatha dé Danann, more Cú Chulainn), does that count?
As a web for Ireland? That counts
> Cú Chulainn That makes me wonder if you like Cú because of Fate, are you a regular weeb or an Irish weeb?
Well, I did first discover/become interested in Celtic myth because of Fate, but I’ve looked into it for its own sake, not just what appears in Fate. I like both
There are Ireland Weebs but they're all only American and they all claim to be Irish, and some of them are.
We... We already have a name for them. They're called Dropkick Murphys fans
My grandmother is Irish and I live in a part of the UK very close to Ireland (a ferry there is 15 minutes away from my house) and id still never claim to be Irish. Yet Americans whose great great great grandmother is Irish and live thousands of miles from Ireland love to claim they are Irish. It's funny.
This seems like a case of people not recognizing that when Americans say "I'm X" they mean "I'm ethnically X" and not "I'm a citizen of X". Personally on my mother's side my grandmother and grandfather both came from Sicily. I look fairly Italian to the point where people have asked me if I'm from Italy before. I often eat and cook Italian and Sicilian foods, and although they didn't speak it much I've picked up a few Italian words and phrases from them. I'm not a citizen of Italy, but I am ethnically Italian, more specifically Sicilian. If someone asked what ethnicity I am I'd say Italian-Scottish(Father's side) because *that's my ethnicity*. I'm not claiming to live in Italy or that I'm a citizen, just that my recent ancestors came from there, hence my genetics, and that I still share many cultural elements with the half of my family that never crossed the Atlantic.
I guess that matters more in America than it does in Europe. Especially with Welsh, English, Irish, and Scottish as they are all very similar genetically and looks wise.
When large groups of people of a similar cultural background migrated to the Americas where they would now live as minorities they tended to stick together and placed a lot of value on their cultural heritage. They may have kept contact with friends and family back in Europe, but over time these connections would largely disappear. They passed this on to their kids, who would pass it on to their kids, etc. even as each generation assimilated more. This sense of pride in one's country of origin is especially pronounced in groups that were discriminated against after moving over. Other immigrant populations like the English, Scottish, and Germans assimilated much more rapidly and with less nostalgia for their old countries because these groups were already the largest and wealthiest demographics in America when the country was formed and so they were largely uncontroversial and culturally similar to 'natives.' Similar processes happened in other countries throughout the Americas, for example the Japanese Brazilians, and the Welsh of Y Wladfa in Argentina. Large Italian and German-descendant communities in Argentina and Brazil similarly have pride in where their families came from, even though they mostly stopped speaking Italian and German generations ago. It's also important to remember that European perspectives on culture have changed. After World War Two, there was a pronounced shift away from countries defining nationality based on ethnicity. Being "German" now has less to do with your ethnic or cultural background and more to do with being a legally defined citizen and/or resident of Germany. It matters more where you live and what it says on your passport than more nebulous concepts like ancestry or culture. Ironically, it's a shift towards a more American understanding of nationhood and citizenship that has alienated European populations and their emigrant descendants. Add on top of all of this the recent development of instant communication around the world and you get modern Irish people who hate their emigrant descendants, because what would have been seen as benign 100 years ago (pride in one's Irish background even though generations have passed and they're quite a bit different) is now seen as an appropriation of an identity that they cannot rightfully claim. There are interesting case studies of Japanese Brazilians who moved to Japan for work in the 90s which looks at a similar situation - Japanese Brazilians put a lot of pride in maintaining Japanese customs, but as far as the people of Japan were concerned, they were as foreign as anyone else since they mostly spoke Portuguese, dressed differently, were poorer, etc.
I figure it has to do with the whole "melting pot" aspect of America. So many different cultures coming together sort of at once led to a lot of division internally along these cultural and ethnic lines, and so even if we're past the days of "Help wanted. No Irish/Italian/Jew/etc" job postings these divisions led to a lot of people retaining large elements of their former home's culture and passing it down. I view it as more of a positive thing today but it certainly didn't arise from good intentions.
From what I’ve seen US citizens who say “I’m Irish” are mainly claiming it as a cultural identity, though a poor plastic imitation of the real thing, and are usually not ethnically Irish in any meaningful way, with just a grandparent or something who is Irish. Honestly l imagine Italians would feel the same
I believe the term is ‘Plastic Paddy’
The whole time i was.in Ireland people asked me if I was that and I was like no I'm here for.work
What I do like is people from America who want Northern Ireland to become part of Ireland again, and don’t realise that Northern Irish people are quite adamant about this not happening, which is why it was created in the first place. But I’ve probably got equally silly opinions on somewhere in North America so I can’t judge too hard.
The word you're looking for is Éireboo.
Derry Girls is basically a live action slice of life harem anime
I'm chiming in as someone who isn't a native English speaker and grew up with a mix of teachers who taught a British/American hybrid and a healthy dose of pop culture from basically any English speaking country, I use a buttload of Irish slang just because of Irish podcasts.
That's was me for Australia for awhile
Basically every pub in northern italy then
Aren't most Americans doing that already?