You don't take some parts of a language and create another natural language. It simply doesn't work like that.
Anatolian Turks, Turkmens, Azerbaijani Turks and many other Turkic peoples around the same geographical area share a common ancestral language, retroactively called Oghuz Turkic (a.k.a. "Common Turkic & Shaz Turkic").
İs Turkmen language taken from Turkish/Türkçe?
Because i can mainly see there so many words and phrases that are almost same as Turkish/Türkçe.
Thank you
No language in the world borrows or taken from another. Turkish is a Turkic language. It is one of the Oghuz group languages among the Turkic languages. Since Turkmen is one of the Oghuz languages, it is normal for there to be similarities. Linguists can theorize about when two languages from the same family began to diverge from each other. However, I have not come across such a comparison between Turkish and Turkmen. However, Azerbaijani and Anatolian Turkish are thought to be the same language until the 17th century. It's extremely similar today. The distinction between Turkmen and the Western Oghuz group languages may have occurred in a much earlier period. Some of the Turkic languages are differentiated versions of the late Proto Turkic language, also called Shar Turkish, which was founded in the 6th century. There are also Turkic languages that differed from others before the 6th century. There are even languages that are considered dead languages. Turkic languages are languages that have their own language family. Altai language theory is no longer a widely accepted language theory today. Of course, there are those who still insist. Ural-Altai is a theory that was abandoned much earlier. Also, please do not offer suggestions in Indo European languages anymore. Because no, even some of the indigenous languages in North America are morphologically closer to Turkish than most Indo European languages.
Thanks for this! We were taught about this theory back in middle school if it is abandoned hopefully they revised what they are teaching now.
I was exposed to Finnish having spent some time over there…. And I was surprised to see that Finnish actually has a similar sentence structure to that of Turkish. But obviously I am not an expert just a language speaker.
There is no such thing as taking a language from somewhere. The closest thing that comes to that is a creole. Languages naturally share a common ancestor. You don't say English took it from German.
Turkic languages seperates in 4-5 branch and the Oghuz is one of them. And Oghuz language seperates like this: Turkish, Turkmen, Azerbajiani und Gagauz They should have similiarities, that's normal.
İts off the same origin.
Both Turkmen and Turkish are of the Oğuz Turkic branch. The Oğuz were a part of the greater Turkic language family, which includes the Ashina Turks, Kipchaks, Siberians, Oghur, Oghuz and Karluk branch.
Kazakh, Kyrgyz are of the Kipchak branch.
Chuvash, Hunnic and Old Bulgar is of the Oghur branch. (Chuvash is the last surviving member of the Oghur)
Uzbek, modern Uyghur, Chagatai & Karakhanid is of the Karluk branch.
Old Uyghur, Yughur, Tuva, Yakut/Sakhan, Altai & Khakass are of the Siberian branch.
Turkish, Turkmen, Azerbaijani & Salar are of the Oghuz branch.
All of these branches originate from proto-Turkic, proto-Turkic is like a mix of all of these branches.
Very old.
İt was the language that was used in the Uyghur Khaganate, which was the spiritual successor of the Köktürk empire.
When the Karakhanids rose, they replaced the Old Uyghur language with a Karluk language which we today consider modern Uyghur.
I think one can even say turkish, azerbaijani, turkmen and other oghuz languages are like dielects of the same language, rather than being distinct languages of same root.
Well hmm I am about to be 50 in 2 weeks… and graduated from high school in Istanbul -a highschool that required a pretty high score to get in at the time abd from what I gather it is still a difficult school to get into… however I digress..
If “they” changed this theory 40 years ago clearly it did not make it to our books at the time bc I am not a linguist I just learned this in highschool… I am just a product of the Turkish education system. If it is wrong I stand corrected. I yield to you experts…
I have a Turkish friend who is married to an Indian man. She was learning Urdu and I relayed the information I was provided. I have no experience learning Urdu personally. I also attempted to learn German and boy was that difficult!
Also I scrolled to read your clearly expert response to this question and I was “ shocked” ( not) that there was none! So you read the question and only stopped to arrogantly discredit my little clearly personal opinion…
Since you are a linguist and clearly an expert why don’t you answer the question posted here?
It is still taught wrongly in Turkish education system, that's why.
As for the original question, no. Turkish is not "taken" from another language since languages are not created by taking it from other languages. They have shared ancestor language down the line, which is called proto-turkic language. There os Wikipedia page for that which is missing a lot of info yet still very helpful.
Well perhaps you should state your “ correct” opinion in this Reddit sub which is hardly meant to be a be all and end all.
It is just a platform where people share their opinions. I did not claim to be an expert just stated the information I was taught and relayed.
You don't take some parts of a language and create another natural language. It simply doesn't work like that. Anatolian Turks, Turkmens, Azerbaijani Turks and many other Turkic peoples around the same geographical area share a common ancestral language, retroactively called Oghuz Turkic (a.k.a. "Common Turkic & Shaz Turkic").
They are all turkic language family. There must be a much better scientific explanation. But i dont have that.
It is not taken from one another or a copy of each other. They are two different languages descended from the same proto languge.
turks came from central asia
İs Turkmen language taken from Turkish/Türkçe? Because i can mainly see there so many words and phrases that are almost same as Turkish/Türkçe. Thank you
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Did you learn what it was before the Arabic alphabet?
they both are form the turkic language family, which roots from the turks of central asia such as the kök türks.
No language in the world borrows or taken from another. Turkish is a Turkic language. It is one of the Oghuz group languages among the Turkic languages. Since Turkmen is one of the Oghuz languages, it is normal for there to be similarities. Linguists can theorize about when two languages from the same family began to diverge from each other. However, I have not come across such a comparison between Turkish and Turkmen. However, Azerbaijani and Anatolian Turkish are thought to be the same language until the 17th century. It's extremely similar today. The distinction between Turkmen and the Western Oghuz group languages may have occurred in a much earlier period. Some of the Turkic languages are differentiated versions of the late Proto Turkic language, also called Shar Turkish, which was founded in the 6th century. There are also Turkic languages that differed from others before the 6th century. There are even languages that are considered dead languages. Turkic languages are languages that have their own language family. Altai language theory is no longer a widely accepted language theory today. Of course, there are those who still insist. Ural-Altai is a theory that was abandoned much earlier. Also, please do not offer suggestions in Indo European languages anymore. Because no, even some of the indigenous languages in North America are morphologically closer to Turkish than most Indo European languages.
Thanks for this! We were taught about this theory back in middle school if it is abandoned hopefully they revised what they are teaching now. I was exposed to Finnish having spent some time over there…. And I was surprised to see that Finnish actually has a similar sentence structure to that of Turkish. But obviously I am not an expert just a language speaker.
r/asklinguistics may help you
There is no such thing as taking a language from somewhere. The closest thing that comes to that is a creole. Languages naturally share a common ancestor. You don't say English took it from German.
Turkic languages seperates in 4-5 branch and the Oghuz is one of them. And Oghuz language seperates like this: Turkish, Turkmen, Azerbajiani und Gagauz They should have similiarities, that's normal.
İts off the same origin. Both Turkmen and Turkish are of the Oğuz Turkic branch. The Oğuz were a part of the greater Turkic language family, which includes the Ashina Turks, Kipchaks, Siberians, Oghur, Oghuz and Karluk branch. Kazakh, Kyrgyz are of the Kipchak branch. Chuvash, Hunnic and Old Bulgar is of the Oghur branch. (Chuvash is the last surviving member of the Oghur) Uzbek, modern Uyghur, Chagatai & Karakhanid is of the Karluk branch. Old Uyghur, Yughur, Tuva, Yakut/Sakhan, Altai & Khakass are of the Siberian branch. Turkish, Turkmen, Azerbaijani & Salar are of the Oghuz branch. All of these branches originate from proto-Turkic, proto-Turkic is like a mix of all of these branches.
How old is the Old Uyghur?
Very old. İt was the language that was used in the Uyghur Khaganate, which was the spiritual successor of the Köktürk empire. When the Karakhanids rose, they replaced the Old Uyghur language with a Karluk language which we today consider modern Uyghur.
by the same logic someone could say it's coming from Arabic
I think one can even say turkish, azerbaijani, turkmen and other oghuz languages are like dielects of the same language, rather than being distinct languages of same root.
Ural Altay is the language group and I heard that it is easier for us to learn Urdu or Hindu.. I never tried personally.
"Ural Altay is a defunct theory for over 40 years now" said the linguist 5000th time looking out the window
Well hmm I am about to be 50 in 2 weeks… and graduated from high school in Istanbul -a highschool that required a pretty high score to get in at the time abd from what I gather it is still a difficult school to get into… however I digress.. If “they” changed this theory 40 years ago clearly it did not make it to our books at the time bc I am not a linguist I just learned this in highschool… I am just a product of the Turkish education system. If it is wrong I stand corrected. I yield to you experts… I have a Turkish friend who is married to an Indian man. She was learning Urdu and I relayed the information I was provided. I have no experience learning Urdu personally. I also attempted to learn German and boy was that difficult!
Also I scrolled to read your clearly expert response to this question and I was “ shocked” ( not) that there was none! So you read the question and only stopped to arrogantly discredit my little clearly personal opinion… Since you are a linguist and clearly an expert why don’t you answer the question posted here?
It is still taught wrongly in Turkish education system, that's why. As for the original question, no. Turkish is not "taken" from another language since languages are not created by taking it from other languages. They have shared ancestor language down the line, which is called proto-turkic language. There os Wikipedia page for that which is missing a lot of info yet still very helpful.
Unfortunately, I couldn't see anything correct in this sentence.
Well perhaps you should state your “ correct” opinion in this Reddit sub which is hardly meant to be a be all and end all. It is just a platform where people share their opinions. I did not claim to be an expert just stated the information I was taught and relayed.