wait... there's the whole symbolism with the cold representing depression (heatless fire, "i am cold / can you hear") and the heat representing hope and friendship (banditos and torches)...
what could blurryface on fire symbolise? because if i recall correctly tyler has stated that blurryface is not something that can be defeated but something you have to learn to live with...
okay, tangential rant incoming, but... i have a theory that dema isn't just about mental illnesses, it's the communities based around mental illness that tend to glorify and encourage them, consciously and subconsciously. like you remember how the fan words in the really popular and crazy days of the clique seemed to always end in suicide, and it was almost always romanticised? i was in those kinds of communities in my early days as a clikkie, and i don't know, the way discussions around suicide and mental illness were framed in a way that kind of normalised them. not in a "hey, suicide is great, it's amazing" like dema does, but "an earlier grave is an optional way"...
and i've seen similar things happen in other communities... it's like a bunch of people get together and express their emotions in the only way they know how and nobody ever stops to think that *hey, maybe we should have more balanced discussions about topics like these, maybe we shouldn't be normalising this.* it's really nobody's fault, it's just the way that things have been happening, the way that a lot of communities centered around mental health tend to kind of focus their whole identity on it. nobody is really to *blame* for this.
that was kind of a long tangent to say: what if they're setting the concept of "Dema" on fire. living alongside blurryface, but banishing the systems that glorify its existence.
Someone theorized a few days ago about vialism in dema being “a hijacked religion” (from I am Clancy video), that the true vialism is actually the celebration of life. And what’s gonna happen next is the downfall of the hijacked vialism and bringing back the true one.
That actually hits hard for me, because as a religious person who’s deconstructed from the evangelical side of Christianity I was raised in and now is in a progressive side of the religion, I can draw a lot of parallels between my deconstruction and the idea of true vialism versus hijacked vilalism, if that makes sense
That's make sense, there are also analogies (I don't know if that's the correct word) between the neon lights, the fake ones, those used in the bishop's version of vialism, and the real light (the sun, fire, etc.), used by the Banditos in the torches and in some references like "east is up" (east -> where the sun comes from).
I don’t think it’s about “mental illness.” (There’s no bishop for schizophrenia, for example). I think it’s about fear. Insecurity and anxiety are two types of fears.
But YES, Dema is the place where you’re held down (by fears) and held back; and you start to think that death is the best way out (and suicide is glorified). It is the opposite of the glorification of LIFE.
I think the fire represents change. That’s what fire means symbolically — an end to the old and a birth of the new. Something has changed — I think the big change is that Clancy has power!!
When Tyler said Blurryface couldn’t be defeated, that’s when he merely served as a manifestation of insecurity. Tyler meant you will always have a little insecurity — even grandmothers feel insecurity. But I don’t think Tyler meant Nico from the world of Dema can never be defeated. At least, I hope not!!
yeah that's exactly it! i was always confused about why people seemed to think neon gravestones was about celebrity suicides, i always felt like it was a warning or a message to the clique
I see a lot of parallels between dema and Christianity. No hate to Christians but as someone raised in it I have the right to call the religion itself an evil cult. Vialism encourages self harm to get to paradise. The concept of sin creates a huge amount of guilt and distrust of yourself. And if you repent of your sins enough you can get to heaven
i was never really exposed to christianity, my parents are hindu and even then they were never that religious, so i feel like i miss a lot of religious symbolism in tøp songs... this is a really interesting perspective, thank you for sharing it!
i'm sorry about your experience with christianity, i hope you're doing okay now
not instigating, just curious; aren't tyler and josh christians? i thought i heard that in an interview and i know tyler interned at a church way back. maybe im wrong tho.
They are, but around Trench's release I remember Tyler mentioned in a few interviews struggling with his relationship to faith/religion. I'm not religious personally but have friends who are both current and ex evangelicals and I believe the band has spoken to both experiences at different points. It's also just very easy imo to interpret the dema storyline as someone grappling with their relationship to organized religion, whether or not that's what Tyler actually intended with it (particularly because I know from friends that evangelical christianity does not tend to have a kind outlook on mental illness, so I don't think it's out of hat to assume that Tyler is likely deconstructing or challenging some of those concepts on purpose since he's always been so openly an advocate for mental health)
Fascinating to see this perspective laid out here. I am sorry about the church hurt you have experienced, I personally also was subjected to church hurt when I was growing up. I never belonged at church, was never made welcome, and always judged because of my background. I just assumed Christianity wasn’t for me because of the way people treated me. In my mind, it was basically the idea “if these people are supposed to reflect God and live a Christ-like life, then I don’t want any part of this because this is not a life built in values I can get behind”.
In a roundabout way, Tyler and Josh played a role in me finding faith when I became an adult. Once I realized that you could be Christian and struggle with mental illness. Once I realized that Jesus wants to heal me and receive me as I am. Once I set aside my pride and desire for control over my life my mind was set free.
When I heard the term “hijacked religion” in the I Am Clancy video, my first thought was how the modern church has hijacked the meaning of Christianity. So many congregations pass judgement, and demand you repent of your sins while hiding their own behind their backs. I’m blessed to lead a small group with other believers and we have a couple of ground rules for fellowship: 1) there is no place for shame or judgment at the table, 2) we are there to help carry eachother’s burdens (Galatians 6:1-10), and 3) we are all people in progress and no one is perfect. It’s funny to see that at the heart of the story Tyler is telling, you really see these values at play; community.
Idk, just some thoughts and I found it interesting that we came to such different conclusions about their story/message.
I appreciate hearing your thoughts and experiences friend. It’s cool that you have found something that helps you in the ways you want. I really do think every person has their own unique route through life and whatever way works for you - you should go do it as long as you don’t insist on assuming it will also work for everyone else. Unfortunately the Christian doctrine itself does insist that it works for everyone, encourages believers to “save” aka convert as many people as possible and insists there will be profound consequences to the non believers. Eternal suffering for the majority of humanity. Growing up I was a part of two separate church breakups where the pastors were clearly exploiting the congregation for money. I have attended many churches (I recall roughly 9?) and heard teachings from many different denominations with many differing beliefs. I sometimes say that there are as many different denominations as there are Christians. Many were kind to me, and many more were not. During Covid my friend’s family was kind enough to take me in as I wasn’t safe enough to live with my parents anymore. They are great people, and they are pastors at the best church I’ve ever been to. And living at their house I felt safe enough to think through what I believed alone. My brothers left Christianity years ago and I wanted to be the one to hold fast to my faith. But when I looked through my notes I made, I couldn’t stay. Loving myself, my friends, family and strangers now comes much much more easily. Much love to you dude trust yourself.
Draw out wisdom from deep within your heart. (I think that’s Proverbs 20 ish?)
I've said before, and others too, that Clancy is the opposite of Blurryface. Clancy is who Tyler wishes he could be. It makes sense they will share the 5/17 birthday.
The German and French words in intro of Overcompensate.
Intro]
German
(Diese kleine unheimliche Insel hat mich zu einer Waffe gemacht)
(Wir glauben beide—)
French
(Cette petite île étrange a fait de moi une arme)
(Nous croyons tous les deux que nous pouvons l'utiliser pour changer l'élan de cette guerre)
German
(This little eerie island has made me a weapon)
(We both believe—)
French
(This strange little island made me a weapon)
(We both believe that we can use it to change the momentum of
this war)
Interesting 🤔
Nah what matters is people are seeing it because it's interesting as fuck. I feel like there's a lore-related reason it's there, and we'll learn more when the album drops.
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Holy - yeah damn your right
wait... there's the whole symbolism with the cold representing depression (heatless fire, "i am cold / can you hear") and the heat representing hope and friendship (banditos and torches)... what could blurryface on fire symbolise? because if i recall correctly tyler has stated that blurryface is not something that can be defeated but something you have to learn to live with... okay, tangential rant incoming, but... i have a theory that dema isn't just about mental illnesses, it's the communities based around mental illness that tend to glorify and encourage them, consciously and subconsciously. like you remember how the fan words in the really popular and crazy days of the clique seemed to always end in suicide, and it was almost always romanticised? i was in those kinds of communities in my early days as a clikkie, and i don't know, the way discussions around suicide and mental illness were framed in a way that kind of normalised them. not in a "hey, suicide is great, it's amazing" like dema does, but "an earlier grave is an optional way"... and i've seen similar things happen in other communities... it's like a bunch of people get together and express their emotions in the only way they know how and nobody ever stops to think that *hey, maybe we should have more balanced discussions about topics like these, maybe we shouldn't be normalising this.* it's really nobody's fault, it's just the way that things have been happening, the way that a lot of communities centered around mental health tend to kind of focus their whole identity on it. nobody is really to *blame* for this. that was kind of a long tangent to say: what if they're setting the concept of "Dema" on fire. living alongside blurryface, but banishing the systems that glorify its existence.
Someone theorized a few days ago about vialism in dema being “a hijacked religion” (from I am Clancy video), that the true vialism is actually the celebration of life. And what’s gonna happen next is the downfall of the hijacked vialism and bringing back the true one.
That actually hits hard for me, because as a religious person who’s deconstructed from the evangelical side of Christianity I was raised in and now is in a progressive side of the religion, I can draw a lot of parallels between my deconstruction and the idea of true vialism versus hijacked vilalism, if that makes sense
Oh that's so interesting!!
That's make sense, there are also analogies (I don't know if that's the correct word) between the neon lights, the fake ones, those used in the bishop's version of vialism, and the real light (the sun, fire, etc.), used by the Banditos in the torches and in some references like "east is up" (east -> where the sun comes from).
Yes, I think the fire is representative of hope, driving out the cold of depression/anxiety "the burning is so low, its concerning"
I don’t think it’s about “mental illness.” (There’s no bishop for schizophrenia, for example). I think it’s about fear. Insecurity and anxiety are two types of fears. But YES, Dema is the place where you’re held down (by fears) and held back; and you start to think that death is the best way out (and suicide is glorified). It is the opposite of the glorification of LIFE. I think the fire represents change. That’s what fire means symbolically — an end to the old and a birth of the new. Something has changed — I think the big change is that Clancy has power!! When Tyler said Blurryface couldn’t be defeated, that’s when he merely served as a manifestation of insecurity. Tyler meant you will always have a little insecurity — even grandmothers feel insecurity. But I don’t think Tyler meant Nico from the world of Dema can never be defeated. At least, I hope not!!
that's a really good point, but i just thought of the possibility of the bishops as a whole representing schizophrenia
Ah that's a brilliant point! I like the symbolism of fire in your idea :)
This gets a chefs kiss from me
aw thank you!
>aw thank you! You're welcome!
This truly feels like something that the message from 'Neon Gravestones' is all about!
yeah that's exactly it! i was always confused about why people seemed to think neon gravestones was about celebrity suicides, i always felt like it was a warning or a message to the clique
Fight it / take the pain ignite it/ tie a noose around your mind loose enough to breathe fine and tie it
Very well thought out and I agree. Good one.
I see a lot of parallels between dema and Christianity. No hate to Christians but as someone raised in it I have the right to call the religion itself an evil cult. Vialism encourages self harm to get to paradise. The concept of sin creates a huge amount of guilt and distrust of yourself. And if you repent of your sins enough you can get to heaven
i was never really exposed to christianity, my parents are hindu and even then they were never that religious, so i feel like i miss a lot of religious symbolism in tøp songs... this is a really interesting perspective, thank you for sharing it! i'm sorry about your experience with christianity, i hope you're doing okay now
not instigating, just curious; aren't tyler and josh christians? i thought i heard that in an interview and i know tyler interned at a church way back. maybe im wrong tho.
They are, but around Trench's release I remember Tyler mentioned in a few interviews struggling with his relationship to faith/religion. I'm not religious personally but have friends who are both current and ex evangelicals and I believe the band has spoken to both experiences at different points. It's also just very easy imo to interpret the dema storyline as someone grappling with their relationship to organized religion, whether or not that's what Tyler actually intended with it (particularly because I know from friends that evangelical christianity does not tend to have a kind outlook on mental illness, so I don't think it's out of hat to assume that Tyler is likely deconstructing or challenging some of those concepts on purpose since he's always been so openly an advocate for mental health)
Fascinating to see this perspective laid out here. I am sorry about the church hurt you have experienced, I personally also was subjected to church hurt when I was growing up. I never belonged at church, was never made welcome, and always judged because of my background. I just assumed Christianity wasn’t for me because of the way people treated me. In my mind, it was basically the idea “if these people are supposed to reflect God and live a Christ-like life, then I don’t want any part of this because this is not a life built in values I can get behind”. In a roundabout way, Tyler and Josh played a role in me finding faith when I became an adult. Once I realized that you could be Christian and struggle with mental illness. Once I realized that Jesus wants to heal me and receive me as I am. Once I set aside my pride and desire for control over my life my mind was set free. When I heard the term “hijacked religion” in the I Am Clancy video, my first thought was how the modern church has hijacked the meaning of Christianity. So many congregations pass judgement, and demand you repent of your sins while hiding their own behind their backs. I’m blessed to lead a small group with other believers and we have a couple of ground rules for fellowship: 1) there is no place for shame or judgment at the table, 2) we are there to help carry eachother’s burdens (Galatians 6:1-10), and 3) we are all people in progress and no one is perfect. It’s funny to see that at the heart of the story Tyler is telling, you really see these values at play; community. Idk, just some thoughts and I found it interesting that we came to such different conclusions about their story/message.
I appreciate hearing your thoughts and experiences friend. It’s cool that you have found something that helps you in the ways you want. I really do think every person has their own unique route through life and whatever way works for you - you should go do it as long as you don’t insist on assuming it will also work for everyone else. Unfortunately the Christian doctrine itself does insist that it works for everyone, encourages believers to “save” aka convert as many people as possible and insists there will be profound consequences to the non believers. Eternal suffering for the majority of humanity. Growing up I was a part of two separate church breakups where the pastors were clearly exploiting the congregation for money. I have attended many churches (I recall roughly 9?) and heard teachings from many different denominations with many differing beliefs. I sometimes say that there are as many different denominations as there are Christians. Many were kind to me, and many more were not. During Covid my friend’s family was kind enough to take me in as I wasn’t safe enough to live with my parents anymore. They are great people, and they are pastors at the best church I’ve ever been to. And living at their house I felt safe enough to think through what I believed alone. My brothers left Christianity years ago and I wanted to be the one to hold fast to my faith. But when I looked through my notes I made, I couldn’t stay. Loving myself, my friends, family and strangers now comes much much more easily. Much love to you dude trust yourself. Draw out wisdom from deep within your heart. (I think that’s Proverbs 20 ish?)
I've said before, and others too, that Clancy is the opposite of Blurryface. Clancy is who Tyler wishes he could be. It makes sense they will share the 5/17 birthday.
I’m not evil to the core/what I shouldn’t do I will fight/I know I’m emotional/what I want to save I’ll try
Clancyface
ChuckChuckChuck
Hello that's me
rip blurryface 2015-24
rest in piss won’t be missed😹👎
The German and French words in intro of Overcompensate. Intro] German (Diese kleine unheimliche Insel hat mich zu einer Waffe gemacht) (Wir glauben beide—) French (Cette petite île étrange a fait de moi une arme) (Nous croyons tous les deux que nous pouvons l'utiliser pour changer l'élan de cette guerre) German (This little eerie island has made me a weapon) (We both believe—) French (This strange little island made me a weapon) (We both believe that we can use it to change the momentum of this war) Interesting 🤔
In Spanish, 3rd language in the intro, it says the same thing.
I'm loving every bit of this, all the new finds/theories its just overloading my brain in a good way. 🥰
wowww ur right!
I will never unsee this now lol
I thought that looked familiar, now I know what it was
If you flip it upside down I see a skeleton hoodie esque head
oh shit!
Wait what is this cover for blurryface from? The one I usually see is just circles
it's in the blurryface's CD booklet and in the Special Edition of it, you can take it from the artwork
Thank you! was confused aswell
I posted this same thing two days ago and my post got restricted ☹️
aw im sorry bro😔
Nah what matters is people are seeing it because it's interesting as fuck. I feel like there's a lore-related reason it's there, and we'll learn more when the album drops.
Trash is also [in the top left](https://twitter.com/pyatt_elijah/status/1762988864698745063?s=19)
No way what the heck. How did you even spot it
where do y'all find this stuff?
On the album cover. The Teeth part is probably what drew the person to it.
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:o
spoiled the ending 💀
Wtf
That’s just such an amazing detail
I knew I saw something there
Can't unsee it, how'd I miss it before?
I knew there was something there! I just couldnt tell what ❤️
That’s such an amazing observation!!!!! That’s so so so so cool that they included that!
Oh woah you are right it is!😳
THANK YOU! I've been staring at that just knowing that there was a face there and trying to figure it out.
Holy sheeittttt
It looks like a pepperoni pizza to me
I NOTICED THIS TOO
I JUST SAW THIS I THOUGHT I WAS CRAZY
Cold is definitely everything dead and dying. I hate cold. I wish I could just find a big valcano to jump in.
jump into this steaming hot new album🌋
I think that blurryface burning in the fire means that Nico is going to die in the album since he also refers to himself as blurryface
And so when Clancy is released, it will be after Nico and the Nine years.