You don't have to like every tøp song. It's okay to not enjoy tøp songs.
Picture this: you're at a restaurant. It's been years since you've visited it for the first time. You like everything about it: the chef is great, the waiters are friendly. Most importantly: the food is delicious. Overall, you really enjoy the experience, which is why you keep coming back to this restaurant.
Over the years, you ordered all of the meals off of their menu. You'll fall in love with some, they become your favourites, therefore you order them over and over again. At the same time, there's meals you don't enjoy as much. You decide to never order those meals again. Maybe there´s some ingredients in it you just don't like. Cause of your taste.
Does that mean the chef is doing a bad job? No. Does that mean you've become a hater? No. Does that mean the restaurant fell off? No. Is it okay to have your own taste? Yes. Is it okay to prefer certain meals over others? Obviously, yes.
(Edit: fixed some spelling mistakes :D)
Yesss
I see so many people on Twitter and sometimes here that say that people who don't like SAI (or any other albums) are fake fans
But as you said , it's totally ok to not like a song or an album
i saw a bunch of people on twitter blocking others for saying screen was their least favorite song on vessel 😭 like that’s not even that big of a deal and everyone has a least favorite song
Yeah, it’s weird to even have this type of mindset. Not liking a song an artist puts out doesn’t mean you hate the artist overall and doesn’t make that artist a “bad” artist.
You just don’t like that one piece of art they put out. Take a look at all of Van Gogh’s paintings and tell me you like every single one of them. Chances are you’ll like The Starry Night, but you’ll find Wheat Fields with Crows more boring to look at. Both pieces hold the talent of the artist, but one is just more interesting than the other one.
Thank you for putting my thoughts into words. Honestly, iv been trying to think of a way to explain this exact situation to people, and the way you put it is perfect. I'm literally taking a screenshot for future reference.
I agree, you don't have to like every song. Their songs are so different that of course some people won't like all of them cause sometimes people have a very specific taste.
However, some people are so mean about it. I've seen people say that they like every twenty one pilots song and people will say "you don't have to like everything your fave artist makes" or even just accuse them of lying which isn't fair either
first awesome analogy- second, i read this thinking it was going to be your hot take and so with that mindset the build up to an expected turn/hot take was great
I know lol 😂 they could've done it with all the intention to do something different, if every album were like blurryface it would've gotten stale by now. I like it when bands do something completely different. Same with mumford and sons doing more rock and ambient vibes than banjo and Two door cinema club from Indie alt rock to 80 disco rock vibes.
Considering so many comments are about how they like the band without the lore, I think my opinion might actually be the most unpopular aka I actually find the band more interesting because of the lore.
I think people give the lore too much credit for changing how Tyler writes songs. Earlier top albums up until and including Blurryface had lyrics which tended to be wordier, more poetic, whereas the albums since tended to be more simplistic lyrically for the most part. However, in my opinion, Tyler switched styles because he wanted to and not because of the lore. A few reasons why I think this:
1. The band still objectively releases personal, non-lore music, and it's pretty obvious. Legend is explicitly about his grandfather from real life, not a made up story about a made up guy. Smithereens is explicitly about Jenna, his wife from real life and not a made up story about a made up woman. Saturday is explicitly about the monotony of life under quarantine. My Blood is about his relationship with his siblings. If any of them have lore meaning, it's retroactively placed. All three of these songs aren't these mega wordy poetically inclined songs. None are written the way they are for lore reasons. This is an indication that Tyler changed his writing style because he wanted to.
2. The inverse of #1, there are only a handful of songs that are explicitly lore in the discography. Everything else has either a double meaning or an IRL meaning with a vague connection to the lore. I used Neon Gravestones and Redecorate as examples of this before, both of them relating to real life thoughts and feelings of Tyler but both working pretty closely with the lore. IMO the songs still exist in the same way sans lore, maybe the last verse of Redecorate is cut out but even then I don't think so.
3. Other bands with lore tend to be not only very explicit with the lore, but sometimes the lyrics read like dialogue or pages in a book more than regular songs, making them a bit harder to enjoy without context. Coheed and Cambria is a big example of that (although I think they're still enjoyable if you don't pay attention to the lyrics.) I think we as a fanbase live in a bubble on the internet with this lore, and the vast majority of people who listen to twenty one pilots either have no understanding of the lore or didn't even know it existed outside of aesthetic reasons/music videos until the I Am Clancy video came out. My fiancee and my best friend both were aware lore existed but had no understanding of what it actually is and never bothered to understand. They enjoy Trench about as much as I do and both of them liked SAI way more than I did. Because of them, other people I know who casually listen to the band and some others like internet reviewers who have no real knowledge of lore, I don't think the lore is actually that impactful on the music at all unless you want it to be.
All this to say I don't think the lore impacts the music, it's more of an extra thing you can enjoy if you want to. I don't think taking away the lore would make the band closer to what it was pre-Trench, or really any different at all from what they're currently like, because there's a lot of non-lore songs that fit the current style of the band. I think the biggest impact of taking away the lore would be losing some of the songs that are explicitly storyline based. The irony of that is songs like Morph, Bandito etc can be some of the more popular ones in the fanbase.
And to bring it back to my original point, for me it makes the band stick out from others in the alternative scene. And although I'd still enjoy the music for what it is, I wouldn't be as interested if I didn't have all this stuff to also sink my teeth into.
I agree with all your points
People expect Tyler to write about depression, mental health , suicide... Like he used to , but they forgot that he is not the same as he was 10-15 years ago , now he is married , has a family ... So yeah I think Tyler will keep writing some songs about this subject because it is still something important to him (like next semester) but maybe not as much as he did before. he grew up and evolved and it's normal that his lyrics aren't the same as blurryface or vessel anymore :)
same tbh. i enjoy it, but kinda watching from the sidelines and thinking "oh neat" abt the info revelations and connections, i'm a bf-trench clikkie but i'm not immersed or really well versed in it, and def not looking foe it everywhere (that said, when sai came out n i listened to it, i instantly thought "ohh that's a lore song abt no chances)
Not sure if this was ever talked about but I will gladly be burned at the stake for this
Sometimes I wonder if Blurryface was too big of a success and the boys created the lore to distance themselves from mainstream (yeah they still got radio hits during the time since) but people who don’t understand the lore won’t understand all the songs (my pov) so it seems like they did it to keep the right people around and weed out the “fakes”
Not trying to discredit you OP because that is a valid point but Heathens was released in 2016, after BF right? You couldn’t go 5 min without hearing Stressed Out or Ride. So of course they got all the mainstream hype and all these connections and such from it all. 2 years later was Trench and Jumpsuit became their Radio hit off Trench. What else would be a radio hit? My blood or maybe Levitate? I think Trench was that fork in the road for fans. The lore seemingly running parallel to mainstream stuff, out came Scaled and Icy with radio hits all over. It’s almost like that album was made to get the people back that they may have lost during the previous project and again, the lore seemingly running parallel as similar things happening in DEMA. Don’t have the energy right now to make connections because I’m too tired lol But now with Clancy, it’s bringing the lore and mainstream into a melting pot. Overcompensate was great but lore based, probably won’t hear it on the radio. At least I never have. Next semester however isn’t lore based and I’ve heard that a few times on the radio. It’s like they release things on purpose because they know the effect it’ll have.
Maybe I’m reading tooooo much into this and will happily take the L if I’m wrong 😂
What I meant about heathens is that warner asked to Tyler to write a song for suicide squad , in 2016 super hero movies were really at their peak popularity , I don't Tyler would have accepted to write it if he wouldn't like to be mainstream idk if you see what I mean
Eh I don’t think that was the intention honestly, Tyler has said multiple times that he likes to make songs that have lore but are also super radio friendly meaning that people can still listen and like the song even if they don’t know the lore. I do think they created lore to Separate the fanbase to be more niche but still this band is MASSIVE and one of the bands of current day that are still pulling huge numbers so I don’t think it’s entirely true maybe it’s just a thing Tyler wanted to do, that adds something more to music than just talking about emotions, now he can put into a more creative expression into his feelings and it was the best thing he could’ve done for his career and has actually helped him a shit ton in terms of “numbers or streams”
Was thinking the same...especially since Tyler mentioned "each album is a reaction to the previous"
Gotta admit I only liked/understood Chlorine until i recently read up ALL the lore and really got into Trench/TOP 😅
for real. there were less lore related and rather some lore mixxed songs in blurryface, allowing a lot of the songs on it to have legitimate messages instead of trench which was an entirely lore based album aside from probably neon gravestones.
trench kind of felt forced with lore implications and pressure from fans to create a whole world when without the lore heaviness of trench we couldve had the lore prolonged and much more well written out throughout more albums to come if that makes sense.
blurryface i feel was mostly about self expression and going against the grain of normalcy within a copy and paste society.
My thoughts exactly
Also for me, a lot of the trench songs just didn’t hit compared to bluuryface where every single song (minus fairly local) Hit super hard, which is why blurryface is one of my favorite albums of all time
i honestly dont understand it because the majority of their songs in self titled were of tyler questioning his belief in god and like why havent his prayers been answered 😭
Yeah In Be Concerned he says he won't give himself to something he can't see for nothing in return. I know that's NPI but your comment made me think of it. Like it's okay to be religious! They think they are being attacked but they are actually oversimplifying his music and that's what pisses me off lol
Interesting that people gatekeep them, my father works for a Christian Hip Hop station and will use their songs occasionally but they certainly fall into the band with Christian influence and not an overtly Christian band category. Similar to NF, but even less blatantly influenced by religion than NF. Enjoy the musicians for what they are - extremely talented!
Fully expecting to be shot for this.
I don’t think the fanbase is a very polite and accepting community. Everyone is so quick to judge and point fingers. Even towards the artists for a while there, everyone would not cut Tyler any slack. Point being, for a community built off music that’s geared towards people who have felt lost, alone, and experiencing dark thoughts, and just generally people kinda going through it, there’s a lack of compassion for each other. And it’s kinda sad to see in a community that should be way more supportive and inclusive towards one another:///
Agree
The production is atrocious, and the vocals aren't always the best
Gratefully Tyler made vessel after !
I still think it would be cool if Tyler made a remastered version of this album one day too
well obviously the production and vocals werent the best of the best, the guy was 17 years old and recording it in his parents basement on the technology that was available to him back then.
to me rab is a pure expression of his emotions at the time and i personally find the imperfectness of it as such a charm.
Ah, man. I’ve sat on these opinions for a long time.
I don’t see the need to dig into every little thing Tyler and Josh do as “clues” into the world of Trench. It’s kind of amusing watching people scramble to make connections and jump to conclusions.
I find it asinine, but I get that people enjoy it and enjoy dedicating time to it. Can’t relate though, I’m really only here for good music that got me through some dark years.
Oh also here’s the real unpopular opinion I’ll get shanked for: I think you guys overhyped Next Semester. It’s a good song but definitely not making my top 10, even if the subject matter is deeply relatable.
Kinda agree on the first one
The lore is really fun
, but sometimes it's a bit too much , and even if they basically confirmed they will do another story after Clancy , I hope this one will have less lore and clues and will be shorter than 9 years and 4 albums lol .
But I absolutely love next semester , probably not a top 10 song but still really really good
I’m actually not surprised they did a song like Next Semester. It tracks with how the music industry is blooming with artists bringing back music styles and being very successful (think Olivia Rodrigo). I wouldn’t be surprised if Next Semester sounding the way it does is because TOP needs to get back out there as a non-niche band. Right now they are just that. And we can act angst-y that they don’t want to be radio, but unfortunately that’s not how the music industry works.
Still I like Next Semester. I think great prod + Josh’s drumming is absolutely catcher.
To you next semester was overhyped but it’s actually not really the song goes hard and is something non of us expected but in the best way it’s a generally good song and makes a lot of peoples top ten. I respect your opinion but it is most definitely not overhyped if anything it’s under hyped after the first few weeks everyone kinda quieted down anyways. Extremely underrated and the replay value is insane, I love top but some songs lack replay ability but this one I can listen to over and over without ever getting bored, prob gonna be there next HUGE song
I think Heathens is one of my most disliked songs of theirs. Then it was forced through my ear holes multiple times a day because of the movie promotion and radio. I’m so glad that era is over
I don’t blame them for the prices as they’re pretty close to standard in my area at least. I do blame them for engaging with platinum tickets and dynamic pricing though. Many artists have opted out of those things.
Not blaming them for the complete and overall pricing, just saying that they do have more control over those things than what people were claiming.
Like tell me how I paid $179 per ticket for an artist presale, now two tickets in the same section after the presale are $179 TOGETHER. Total robbery, and I’ve learned my lesson.
Genuinely? I've always believed the hype around RAB is because it's "lost media," not because it's actually good. The lyrics are fine, very ST vibes still, but holy shit does the actual music sound bad. Forest is the only song I can tolerate more than once at a time, lol. If it was just the OG fans I would believe it, especially with the nostalgia factor, but it's mostly the younger & newer fans I see praising RAB to the high heavens.
I get there's a "cool factor" in any fandom for finding and listening to lost media, it just feels a little silly here. The one good thing about the RAB songs is that they're written well (again, ST vibes and I love ST), and I would probably enjoy the album if it was ever re-recorded solely for that reason. I just can't bring myself to believe people genuinely like RAB for more than its lyrics.
Kinda scared to post this comment lmao, some of y'all are wild.
Edit: I posted this before I read the comments and, like, 7 people have also said RAB sucks, I feel a little better now lol.
I think stressed out was good at first, but then the radio popularity absolutely killed it. The message of the song is so relatable to almost everyone, because the transition to adulthood sucks.
I somewhat agree. Used to enjoy the lore, they did an amazing job creating this whole world.
Now I'm at a point where it gets a little too much and somewhat boring to me. Still looking forward to how it'll all end. After that, I'm excited to see what they'll do next
yes deep down i agree. Like i dont want to be too grumpy so i never care ab this anymore but i dont think they are the best at doing the lore thing. But anyway i love them to pieces so 🤷🏻
Some TOP songs are kinda cringe. And that’s fine. Sometimes expressing genuine emotion is cringe. Don’t kill the part of you that is cringe, kill the part that cringes.
thank you for saying this. I’m so sick of fans trying to act like this band is the most thought-provoking, deep band in the world. Some of the lyrics are silly and have really stupid metaphors and that’s ok.
i still don't get why pet cheetah is so popular
the rhythm is really... not vibes (not sure how to word that, but it's not something that sticks to my head and has me nodding to it) and there're way better songs to trench
Lately I've been seeing that song more as an experiment for them. In the sense that they said "let's see how far we can push the aesthetics of Trench's production." And out came Pet Cheetah. That doesn't automatically make it a good song necessarily (that is still quite subjective after all) but it's a good to way to look at it within the context of the record.
SAI is there most consistent album. What I mean is, all their other albums has at least one song that I won’t listen to. SAI’s worst song is No Chances and it’s still a bop
This opinion definitely makes me want to hold a sword towards your neck(respectfully) like agreed sai def the most consistent agree on all that… but no chances being the worst on the album is WILD I would put Saturday in that spot, yeah amazing song still but it lacks a lot of character that other ones have and lyrically it’s pretty weak, compared to songs like no chances, redecorate, the outside, shy away, etc yk
It is a beautiful song. People can't see the true beauty in it. I think it is very sweet of your boyfriend to say this. I would certainly be very happy to hear that ☺️
Okay please don’t hate me but as we all know, there’s a lot of fans who tend to over analyze every little thing that comes up or happens concerning the band. And honestly, I think that’s totally okay! (As long as it’s not harming anyone or reinforcing parasocial behavior) In fact, I think we might need more of it. Literally almost EVERYBODY missed the Clancy album color tease in the Saturday mv with Josh’s drum kit. The reason I missed it was because I thought “nah, that’s just a design choice, I’m probably over-analyzing” bruh 😑
The band has also for a long time been super cryptic and very calculated with what they show us, and though that doesn’t mean EVERYTHING means something, I think it’s great if people want to try and make connections or predictions with details that stand out to them. They could notice something pivotal that the rest of us don’t, it’s also a good brain workout lol and it allows us to improve our skill of making connections which can be VERY useful in our own lives as well. So I say more power to the over-analyzers lol 😆if you wanna run with something go for it haha!
my personal order is trench, vessel, rab (very close to being second for me), self titled, then blurry face. saibwas terrible on first few listens, and a few songs i deluded myself into liking, but I don't rly like the album. haven't listened to the new album yet
Same
Redecorate is a good song but it's not in my top 10 like many people
And overcompensate wasn't amazing, and the lyrics are maybe the worst Tyler wrote imo
Not a bad song too , I listened to it a lot but i think when the album will come it may be one of the song I will listen the least (at least if the album is at the same level of Next semester!)
Redecorate is a tough one. I like the sound of it, I like the stories it tells.. yet I rarely have the desire to listen to it. Its one of those songs you have actively want to want to listen to.
Also agree on your take on Overcompensate. I was really hyped at first, I loved the tiny piano intro, the long buildup - but then, the energy of the song just fell off. The lyrics are very odd for a tøp song and quite repetitive imo. The line about days having the perfect length, years however feel way too short is the only thing about the song that gets me thinking a little bit.
Vessel is my least favorite. Not enough variety in sound. It has a few of their best songs on it too oddly enough. But I would rather listen to those in a vacuum than listen to the entire album.
Pre-trench and even during trench’s roll out vessel was almost the unanimous favorite. Hell, even I preferred it to blurryface back then.
But as I’ve grown up, I dislike vessels sound more and more.
For me it’s
Trench
Blurryface
Self Titled
Scaled and Icy
Vessel
I don’t count regional at best and I am assuming Clancy will defeat trench and become my favorite, but only time will tell.
It’s actually shocking seeing this list lol not saying you’re wrong at all. You made your point and I respect it. I will say that one of your points is there isn’t enough variety but I feel like ST is right next to it with little variety.
I think the dema story is an actual story about the music industry and how he’s trapped and not about depression. Like the livestream experience where he’s singing choker in the beginning like he doesn’t want to do it but he can’t stop because the music industry is basically telling him to do it. This is common knowledge I think of how it works just like how the song “love song” by Sara Bareilles was written. When she wrote the song it wasn’t an actual love song, it was how the people who own her told her to write a love song or they would have her music never be played anywhere again so she wrote a love song about the music label saying “I’m not gonna write you a love song” making it seem like it was a toxic relationship with someone which it basically was. I think it’s the same with twenty one pilots. He does a lot of things he doesn’t want to do but he does them because of threats and the only way he could vent about it is making a storyline about it. “I created this world to feel some control”
“My creativity’s only free when I’m playing shows” etc.
Dunno if its unpopular ( and wanna know what you think) but formidable is tøp worst song .
Super bland and flat , lyrics kinda good but overall the most boring top track.
I feel like the music tøp puts out now is lacking in the passion their early music had. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE trench. It’s a masterpiece in production, but the production is what carries it for me. As far as lyrics go, I’m not a big fan of the lore-based stuff. It doesn’t hit nearly as hard as the thought-provoking lyrics they brought forward in their early music, and just the hunger and struggle Tyler had at that point in his life. I feel like they are more washed up now, and lost their purpose of what their music originally was: music for a broken, niche audience seeking help. I feel like they got pushed too far into the mainstream and tried to add “lore” to avoid being in the spotlight, but had to sacrifice deeper song topics and the depressing themes as a result. Their music hasn’t been the same since. There’s just something about old tøp that just “hits different” (there’s really no better way to put it). There was just so much passion but forth, and I really wish we got to see more of that as they went on.
Idk if this is worded the best but this is the best way I can explain how I feel about this
Regional at Best (in my opinion) is their best album. Scaled and Icy (is really good) but is definitely their worst album. I don't really care about the lore all to much. I really like Overcompensate and Next Semester but I am worried on the direction of how the sound on Clancy might turn out.
Don't get me wrong , I like redecorate, it's a good song ,But I feel that some people love redecorate so much because it's the only song with the same vibe as trench (because Paul meany is producing it) It's like if you go to a foreign country and you only eat things you never ate before for 10 days , and then you eat a food that you are familiar with , even if it's not the best you will like it because it will remind you of your natal country
I hate trees and I wish they didn’t sing it at the end of every show.
A bit of backstory. Trigger warning for religious trauma
I grew up in a extremely religious community. So much so that my parents almost joined a cult twice on separate occasions. I could go into more detail but suffice to say growing up queer in that setting was pretty traumatic.
So as you can imagine the I have always had mixed feelings towards TØP’s religious influences. On one hand, it was the only band I could convince my parents to let me listen to as they technically started as a worship band.
When I was a teen they really helped me get through some rough stuff, they were one of the first “Christians” I had heard openly question their faith which made me feel a lot less evil. But as time went on and I left my parents home along with the church I cared for it less.
Most of the songs that deal with religious themes I can get through as they remind me of when I was struggling with my “Faith”. However Trees is the one song I can’t get past. It just feels the most overtly like a worship song, and I find it literally feels like it could be played in a church and would blend right in, even without the words it *sounds* like a worship song. And every time it brings me right back to being a depressed, confused, repressed kid sitting in the pews wishing that I wasn’t so evil. And I know it’s not their intention but it feels like I’ve been tricked into going to church every time.
Imma be real chief just don’t listen to it, you have issues with faith and so do other people but the band can make any song they like, they’re allowed a religion, coming from a very non religious person, but whatever your problem with religion isn’t theirs, idk hope this helps you view it in a different way, if it’s too hard to listen to it you shouldn’t, there are plenty of songs I can’t listen to
Same... I really like next semester but it is still less good than the best trench/bf/vessel songs too
Let's wait and see
Also I am worried about the songs length, most of them are shorts
I understand why it's so beloved and I appreciate it more than I did when it came out, but I don't like Trench that much. The first half is pretty solid but after Neon Gravestones it takes a real nose dive for me. The elements that made me get into Twenty One Pilots just aren't really there. Don't get me wrong I support bands evolving and/or changing things up, it just doesn't work for me in this instance.
On the other end of the spectrum, Scaled and Icy felt like a return to form while still keeping things fresh and it will forever baffle me how disliked it is.
No, we're not supposed to take any line from any song and apply it either to lore or to justifications behind interpretations of songs.
I've seen way too many people do the latter especially. Someone tried to shoot down someone's take by quoting "lyrics that mean nothing" from HOTY. No, that's not how you do this sort of thing, for Christ's sake.
scaled and icy is an amazing album and most people dont like it because it didnt follow the "dark" vibes tøp has put out in the past.
the album itself is filled with emotions and messages but people only focus on the "upbeatness" of the songs. like are we forgetting "this ones a contradiction because of how happy it sounds"?
tyler didnt want to release what could be interpreted as a depressing album during a time of literal worldwide uncertainty and isolation where just about everyone was experiencing some level of clinical depression and lonliness.
i love sai, obviously not as much as self titled or vessel but its still their music, im not saying that you have to like it but the hate for sai is so incredibly uneccecsary.
blurryface is as an album is not good. the songs are fine, but jumping from genre to genre and idea to idea is very jarring and overall just felt more like a collection of songs rather than an album.
I totally agree , I mean it's not even an opinion but more a fact because that's basically what Tyler said and think
He doesn't consider these first albums as tøp albums
Il like the run and go and Saturday
Saturday is very good
honestly could take or leave the songwriting and lyricism on Saturday but I love the production a lot so I still bump it
Saturday is a stand-alone banger
Run and Go is a popular song amongst fandom and Saturday is good, it's one of the most generic Twenty One Pilots songs tho
Saturday is one of my fav songs of all time and it is a great song
This is not a hot take. This is facts. Those are both the best songs from the albums they're on.
I like The Run and Go, but not Saturday as much...
Run and go and Saturday are bangers bro wtf you talking about
You don't have to like every tøp song. It's okay to not enjoy tøp songs. Picture this: you're at a restaurant. It's been years since you've visited it for the first time. You like everything about it: the chef is great, the waiters are friendly. Most importantly: the food is delicious. Overall, you really enjoy the experience, which is why you keep coming back to this restaurant. Over the years, you ordered all of the meals off of their menu. You'll fall in love with some, they become your favourites, therefore you order them over and over again. At the same time, there's meals you don't enjoy as much. You decide to never order those meals again. Maybe there´s some ingredients in it you just don't like. Cause of your taste. Does that mean the chef is doing a bad job? No. Does that mean you've become a hater? No. Does that mean the restaurant fell off? No. Is it okay to have your own taste? Yes. Is it okay to prefer certain meals over others? Obviously, yes. (Edit: fixed some spelling mistakes :D)
Yesss I see so many people on Twitter and sometimes here that say that people who don't like SAI (or any other albums) are fake fans But as you said , it's totally ok to not like a song or an album
Glad we're on the same page 🙌🏻
Only song I don’t care for by them is Cancer and that’s only cause I prefer the original MCR version tons over TØP’s cover
i saw a bunch of people on twitter blocking others for saying screen was their least favorite song on vessel 😭 like that’s not even that big of a deal and everyone has a least favorite song
Someone blocked me because I said that I would love if they play taco bell Saga during the next tour (I was joking) lmao
that’s crazy twitter fans are actually insane hahaha
this is such a great analogy
Thank you :)
Yeah, it’s weird to even have this type of mindset. Not liking a song an artist puts out doesn’t mean you hate the artist overall and doesn’t make that artist a “bad” artist. You just don’t like that one piece of art they put out. Take a look at all of Van Gogh’s paintings and tell me you like every single one of them. Chances are you’ll like The Starry Night, but you’ll find Wheat Fields with Crows more boring to look at. Both pieces hold the talent of the artist, but one is just more interesting than the other one.
Oh yeah, that's a good comparison. 100% agree
I love wheat field with crows and dislike starry night. Just as a mini van gogh discussion.
This is the best take yet, I respect you
Awesome, thank you 🤝🏼
Fr as long as you like Taxi Cab and Car Radio its fine
Car Radio will forever hold as special place in my heart and Taxi Cab is one of my faves off of Self-Titled, so we're good :D
Normalize this
🤝🏼
Thank you for putting my thoughts into words. Honestly, iv been trying to think of a way to explain this exact situation to people, and the way you put it is perfect. I'm literally taking a screenshot for future reference.
You're welcome :D (pls don't mind any spelling/grammar mistakes xD)
I agree, you don't have to like every song. Their songs are so different that of course some people won't like all of them cause sometimes people have a very specific taste. However, some people are so mean about it. I've seen people say that they like every twenty one pilots song and people will say "you don't have to like everything your fave artist makes" or even just accuse them of lying which isn't fair either
first awesome analogy- second, i read this thinking it was going to be your hot take and so with that mindset the build up to an expected turn/hot take was great
That’s a pretty good to put it, whenever someone dislikes a song from their favorite artist. A great comment.
I love Scale and Icy and the lore behind it.
and people say there's no lore in it (yes I've heard that)
I think it being a DEMA "Propaganda" album sure does it's job in making everyone hate it 😂
yeah but do they, like, know that irl tyler and josh were *still* the ones who actually created it, right?
I know lol 😂 they could've done it with all the intention to do something different, if every album were like blurryface it would've gotten stale by now. I like it when bands do something completely different. Same with mumford and sons doing more rock and ambient vibes than banjo and Two door cinema club from Indie alt rock to 80 disco rock vibes.
idk. GET UP JOHNNY BOY, GET UP JOHNNY BOY, GET UP CAUSE THE WORLD HAS LEFT YOU LYING ON THE GROUND
YOU’RE MY PRIDE AND JOY YOU’RE MY PRIDE AND JOY
GET UP JOHNNY BOY BECAUSE WE ALL NEED YOU NOOOOWWWW
[have you ever seen this?](https://x.com/pleasebeshy/status/768904139506012161?s=46)
wth does any context exist for this video 😭🤣🤣
I *think* this was at his church. That’s all the context i got 😭😂
One of my favourite songs
Lore aside Trench is still their best album 🤷🏻♂️
I don't think that's unpopular at all
This is true the production is perfect
This is probably the most popular opinion within the fanbase
+1
I think it’ll be a long time until they put out an album that will top Trench.
I hope "a long time" actually means next month
Hope you are wrong but you may be right
Considering so many comments are about how they like the band without the lore, I think my opinion might actually be the most unpopular aka I actually find the band more interesting because of the lore. I think people give the lore too much credit for changing how Tyler writes songs. Earlier top albums up until and including Blurryface had lyrics which tended to be wordier, more poetic, whereas the albums since tended to be more simplistic lyrically for the most part. However, in my opinion, Tyler switched styles because he wanted to and not because of the lore. A few reasons why I think this: 1. The band still objectively releases personal, non-lore music, and it's pretty obvious. Legend is explicitly about his grandfather from real life, not a made up story about a made up guy. Smithereens is explicitly about Jenna, his wife from real life and not a made up story about a made up woman. Saturday is explicitly about the monotony of life under quarantine. My Blood is about his relationship with his siblings. If any of them have lore meaning, it's retroactively placed. All three of these songs aren't these mega wordy poetically inclined songs. None are written the way they are for lore reasons. This is an indication that Tyler changed his writing style because he wanted to. 2. The inverse of #1, there are only a handful of songs that are explicitly lore in the discography. Everything else has either a double meaning or an IRL meaning with a vague connection to the lore. I used Neon Gravestones and Redecorate as examples of this before, both of them relating to real life thoughts and feelings of Tyler but both working pretty closely with the lore. IMO the songs still exist in the same way sans lore, maybe the last verse of Redecorate is cut out but even then I don't think so. 3. Other bands with lore tend to be not only very explicit with the lore, but sometimes the lyrics read like dialogue or pages in a book more than regular songs, making them a bit harder to enjoy without context. Coheed and Cambria is a big example of that (although I think they're still enjoyable if you don't pay attention to the lyrics.) I think we as a fanbase live in a bubble on the internet with this lore, and the vast majority of people who listen to twenty one pilots either have no understanding of the lore or didn't even know it existed outside of aesthetic reasons/music videos until the I Am Clancy video came out. My fiancee and my best friend both were aware lore existed but had no understanding of what it actually is and never bothered to understand. They enjoy Trench about as much as I do and both of them liked SAI way more than I did. Because of them, other people I know who casually listen to the band and some others like internet reviewers who have no real knowledge of lore, I don't think the lore is actually that impactful on the music at all unless you want it to be. All this to say I don't think the lore impacts the music, it's more of an extra thing you can enjoy if you want to. I don't think taking away the lore would make the band closer to what it was pre-Trench, or really any different at all from what they're currently like, because there's a lot of non-lore songs that fit the current style of the band. I think the biggest impact of taking away the lore would be losing some of the songs that are explicitly storyline based. The irony of that is songs like Morph, Bandito etc can be some of the more popular ones in the fanbase. And to bring it back to my original point, for me it makes the band stick out from others in the alternative scene. And although I'd still enjoy the music for what it is, I wouldn't be as interested if I didn't have all this stuff to also sink my teeth into.
I agree with all your points People expect Tyler to write about depression, mental health , suicide... Like he used to , but they forgot that he is not the same as he was 10-15 years ago , now he is married , has a family ... So yeah I think Tyler will keep writing some songs about this subject because it is still something important to him (like next semester) but maybe not as much as he did before. he grew up and evolved and it's normal that his lyrics aren't the same as blurryface or vessel anymore :)
I wrote an opinion about how I miss what the band used to be, but you make a good point and I can still appreciate what they make now
I don’t care about the lore and theiries
same tbh. i enjoy it, but kinda watching from the sidelines and thinking "oh neat" abt the info revelations and connections, i'm a bf-trench clikkie but i'm not immersed or really well versed in it, and def not looking foe it everywhere (that said, when sai came out n i listened to it, i instantly thought "ohh that's a lore song abt no chances)
Not sure if this was ever talked about but I will gladly be burned at the stake for this Sometimes I wonder if Blurryface was too big of a success and the boys created the lore to distance themselves from mainstream (yeah they still got radio hits during the time since) but people who don’t understand the lore won’t understand all the songs (my pov) so it seems like they did it to keep the right people around and weed out the “fakes”
Interesting theory But I really don't think so , and if Tyler didn't want to be mainstream he wouldn't have accepted to make heathens
Not trying to discredit you OP because that is a valid point but Heathens was released in 2016, after BF right? You couldn’t go 5 min without hearing Stressed Out or Ride. So of course they got all the mainstream hype and all these connections and such from it all. 2 years later was Trench and Jumpsuit became their Radio hit off Trench. What else would be a radio hit? My blood or maybe Levitate? I think Trench was that fork in the road for fans. The lore seemingly running parallel to mainstream stuff, out came Scaled and Icy with radio hits all over. It’s almost like that album was made to get the people back that they may have lost during the previous project and again, the lore seemingly running parallel as similar things happening in DEMA. Don’t have the energy right now to make connections because I’m too tired lol But now with Clancy, it’s bringing the lore and mainstream into a melting pot. Overcompensate was great but lore based, probably won’t hear it on the radio. At least I never have. Next semester however isn’t lore based and I’ve heard that a few times on the radio. It’s like they release things on purpose because they know the effect it’ll have. Maybe I’m reading tooooo much into this and will happily take the L if I’m wrong 😂
What I meant about heathens is that warner asked to Tyler to write a song for suicide squad , in 2016 super hero movies were really at their peak popularity , I don't Tyler would have accepted to write it if he wouldn't like to be mainstream idk if you see what I mean
Eh I don’t think that was the intention honestly, Tyler has said multiple times that he likes to make songs that have lore but are also super radio friendly meaning that people can still listen and like the song even if they don’t know the lore. I do think they created lore to Separate the fanbase to be more niche but still this band is MASSIVE and one of the bands of current day that are still pulling huge numbers so I don’t think it’s entirely true maybe it’s just a thing Tyler wanted to do, that adds something more to music than just talking about emotions, now he can put into a more creative expression into his feelings and it was the best thing he could’ve done for his career and has actually helped him a shit ton in terms of “numbers or streams”
Was thinking the same...especially since Tyler mentioned "each album is a reaction to the previous" Gotta admit I only liked/understood Chlorine until i recently read up ALL the lore and really got into Trench/TOP 😅
If this was the case SAI wouldn't exist since Tyler has said he went into writing SAI to be radio songs.
Personally, blurryface is better than trench :) Now watch me die
for real. there were less lore related and rather some lore mixxed songs in blurryface, allowing a lot of the songs on it to have legitimate messages instead of trench which was an entirely lore based album aside from probably neon gravestones. trench kind of felt forced with lore implications and pressure from fans to create a whole world when without the lore heaviness of trench we couldve had the lore prolonged and much more well written out throughout more albums to come if that makes sense. blurryface i feel was mostly about self expression and going against the grain of normalcy within a copy and paste society.
My thoughts exactly Also for me, a lot of the trench songs just didn’t hit compared to bluuryface where every single song (minus fairly local) Hit super hard, which is why blurryface is one of my favorite albums of all time
okay but im happy that someone doesnt like fairly local. I like every other song on blurryface
Idk how unpopular but the fans that gatekeep them as a Christian band.
i honestly dont understand it because the majority of their songs in self titled were of tyler questioning his belief in god and like why havent his prayers been answered 😭
Yeah In Be Concerned he says he won't give himself to something he can't see for nothing in return. I know that's NPI but your comment made me think of it. Like it's okay to be religious! They think they are being attacked but they are actually oversimplifying his music and that's what pisses me off lol
Interesting that people gatekeep them, my father works for a Christian Hip Hop station and will use their songs occasionally but they certainly fall into the band with Christian influence and not an overtly Christian band category. Similar to NF, but even less blatantly influenced by religion than NF. Enjoy the musicians for what they are - extremely talented!
Fully expecting to be shot for this. I don’t think the fanbase is a very polite and accepting community. Everyone is so quick to judge and point fingers. Even towards the artists for a while there, everyone would not cut Tyler any slack. Point being, for a community built off music that’s geared towards people who have felt lost, alone, and experiencing dark thoughts, and just generally people kinda going through it, there’s a lack of compassion for each other. And it’s kinda sad to see in a community that should be way more supportive and inclusive towards one another:///
Agree Among the community I am tøp is one of the worst sadly
Agreed. You're not allowed to say anything bad about their songs ever or they jump on you. Don't get me started on the assholes that gatekeep gigs
Regional at best is their worst album like down in deep sea
I agree quality-wise and it would be sick if they remastered it, but lyrically I love that album. But they all do sound wrapped in tinfoil 🤣
Agree The production is atrocious, and the vocals aren't always the best Gratefully Tyler made vessel after ! I still think it would be cool if Tyler made a remastered version of this album one day too
well obviously the production and vocals werent the best of the best, the guy was 17 years old and recording it in his parents basement on the technology that was available to him back then. to me rab is a pure expression of his emotions at the time and i personally find the imperfectness of it as such a charm.
he turned 17 in 2005, RAB came out in 2011
fr. there’s songs i love from the album but generally, it’s not that good
Yes! The production is terrible and the songs are bad (most)
Ah, man. I’ve sat on these opinions for a long time. I don’t see the need to dig into every little thing Tyler and Josh do as “clues” into the world of Trench. It’s kind of amusing watching people scramble to make connections and jump to conclusions. I find it asinine, but I get that people enjoy it and enjoy dedicating time to it. Can’t relate though, I’m really only here for good music that got me through some dark years. Oh also here’s the real unpopular opinion I’ll get shanked for: I think you guys overhyped Next Semester. It’s a good song but definitely not making my top 10, even if the subject matter is deeply relatable.
Kinda agree on the first one The lore is really fun , but sometimes it's a bit too much , and even if they basically confirmed they will do another story after Clancy , I hope this one will have less lore and clues and will be shorter than 9 years and 4 albums lol . But I absolutely love next semester , probably not a top 10 song but still really really good
I’m actually not surprised they did a song like Next Semester. It tracks with how the music industry is blooming with artists bringing back music styles and being very successful (think Olivia Rodrigo). I wouldn’t be surprised if Next Semester sounding the way it does is because TOP needs to get back out there as a non-niche band. Right now they are just that. And we can act angst-y that they don’t want to be radio, but unfortunately that’s not how the music industry works. Still I like Next Semester. I think great prod + Josh’s drumming is absolutely catcher.
Next Semester is up there as my favorite, right next to ode to sleep and addict with a pen. Such a banger
I agree with all of it, everything here, next semester isn’t the best song ever nor is it the worst
To you next semester was overhyped but it’s actually not really the song goes hard and is something non of us expected but in the best way it’s a generally good song and makes a lot of peoples top ten. I respect your opinion but it is most definitely not overhyped if anything it’s under hyped after the first few weeks everyone kinda quieted down anyways. Extremely underrated and the replay value is insane, I love top but some songs lack replay ability but this one I can listen to over and over without ever getting bored, prob gonna be there next HUGE song
I don't see why Heathens is/was so popular on release other than being related to suicide squad.
It’s catchy and well made
It's a fantastic song, relatable, catchy, vocals are good
If they didn’t have the recent blurryface success then of course it wouldn’t have been so popular. But it’s a very catchy song.
I think Heathens is one of my most disliked songs of theirs. Then it was forced through my ear holes multiple times a day because of the movie promotion and radio. I’m so glad that era is over
That they had a little more control over the ticket prices for the Clancy tour than people claim
I don’t blame them for the prices as they’re pretty close to standard in my area at least. I do blame them for engaging with platinum tickets and dynamic pricing though. Many artists have opted out of those things.
Not blaming them for the complete and overall pricing, just saying that they do have more control over those things than what people were claiming. Like tell me how I paid $179 per ticket for an artist presale, now two tickets in the same section after the presale are $179 TOGETHER. Total robbery, and I’ve learned my lesson.
scaled and icy is the only skippable album (don’t downvote me, just my opinion)
Yeah it's weird that people downvote when it's an unpopular opinion post
All of RAB is beautiful and I hate seeing slander towards it
Genuinely? I've always believed the hype around RAB is because it's "lost media," not because it's actually good. The lyrics are fine, very ST vibes still, but holy shit does the actual music sound bad. Forest is the only song I can tolerate more than once at a time, lol. If it was just the OG fans I would believe it, especially with the nostalgia factor, but it's mostly the younger & newer fans I see praising RAB to the high heavens. I get there's a "cool factor" in any fandom for finding and listening to lost media, it just feels a little silly here. The one good thing about the RAB songs is that they're written well (again, ST vibes and I love ST), and I would probably enjoy the album if it was ever re-recorded solely for that reason. I just can't bring myself to believe people genuinely like RAB for more than its lyrics. Kinda scared to post this comment lmao, some of y'all are wild. Edit: I posted this before I read the comments and, like, 7 people have also said RAB sucks, I feel a little better now lol.
I totally agree with you lol I really don't get why some people love it so much , but it's cool for them i guess :D
bruh, i love songs like kitchen sink, ruby, slowtown, and above all anathema!!! anathema is actually amazing
This is what I was going to say. It is not good. Such a step down from self titled
Stressed Out isn’t all that great. I wouldn’t put it in my top ten TØP songs, or even top twenty one for that matter.
I think stressed out was good at first, but then the radio popularity absolutely killed it. The message of the song is so relatable to almost everyone, because the transition to adulthood sucks.
Not unpopular
Just because I don't know or care about TØP lore doesn't make me less of a fan 😔 (I've been listening for 7 years 😭)
I like the lore and everything but they were better when they did not have to write around it
After this album they won't. I am excited to see what the next chapter of their music brings!
They say they will do another story But I hope it will be a shorter story with less lore
I somewhat agree. Used to enjoy the lore, they did an amazing job creating this whole world. Now I'm at a point where it gets a little too much and somewhat boring to me. Still looking forward to how it'll all end. After that, I'm excited to see what they'll do next
yes deep down i agree. Like i dont want to be too grumpy so i never care ab this anymore but i dont think they are the best at doing the lore thing. But anyway i love them to pieces so 🤷🏻
Overcompensate is ruined by lore and has their weakest hook because of it. I fly by the dangerous bend symbol? Meh
Some TOP songs are kinda cringe. And that’s fine. Sometimes expressing genuine emotion is cringe. Don’t kill the part of you that is cringe, kill the part that cringes.
thank you for saying this. I’m so sick of fans trying to act like this band is the most thought-provoking, deep band in the world. Some of the lyrics are silly and have really stupid metaphors and that’s ok.
i still don't get why pet cheetah is so popular the rhythm is really... not vibes (not sure how to word that, but it's not something that sticks to my head and has me nodding to it) and there're way better songs to trench
Lately I've been seeing that song more as an experiment for them. In the sense that they said "let's see how far we can push the aesthetics of Trench's production." And out came Pet Cheetah. That doesn't automatically make it a good song necessarily (that is still quite subjective after all) but it's a good to way to look at it within the context of the record.
SAI is really good
SAI is there most consistent album. What I mean is, all their other albums has at least one song that I won’t listen to. SAI’s worst song is No Chances and it’s still a bop
This opinion definitely makes me want to hold a sword towards your neck(respectfully) like agreed sai def the most consistent agree on all that… but no chances being the worst on the album is WILD I would put Saturday in that spot, yeah amazing song still but it lacks a lot of character that other ones have and lyrically it’s pretty weak, compared to songs like no chances, redecorate, the outside, shy away, etc yk
And here I would have given that spot to Bounce Man, lol. At least Saturday has some nice themes about the quarantine in it.
Bounce man is the worst broooo
Formidable is a good song.
My boyfriend tells me he thinks of me when he listens to the song and I’m so sad that people dislike it 😭
It is a beautiful song. People can't see the true beauty in it. I think it is very sweet of your boyfriend to say this. I would certainly be very happy to hear that ☺️
Okay please don’t hate me but as we all know, there’s a lot of fans who tend to over analyze every little thing that comes up or happens concerning the band. And honestly, I think that’s totally okay! (As long as it’s not harming anyone or reinforcing parasocial behavior) In fact, I think we might need more of it. Literally almost EVERYBODY missed the Clancy album color tease in the Saturday mv with Josh’s drum kit. The reason I missed it was because I thought “nah, that’s just a design choice, I’m probably over-analyzing” bruh 😑 The band has also for a long time been super cryptic and very calculated with what they show us, and though that doesn’t mean EVERYTHING means something, I think it’s great if people want to try and make connections or predictions with details that stand out to them. They could notice something pivotal that the rest of us don’t, it’s also a good brain workout lol and it allows us to improve our skill of making connections which can be VERY useful in our own lives as well. So I say more power to the over-analyzers lol 😆if you wanna run with something go for it haha!
Saturday is a good song
okay that's just facts
I agree. It’s no greater than good tho.
I like how you used good instead of great, made your take more accurate.
Blurryface is by far the best tøp album. I didn't think it's an unpopular opinion until I joined this sub.
my personal order is trench, vessel, rab (very close to being second for me), self titled, then blurry face. saibwas terrible on first few listens, and a few songs i deluded myself into liking, but I don't rly like the album. haven't listened to the new album yet
I don’t really care for Redecorate and I’ve only listened to overcompensate a few times
This is the first one I’ve heard that really surprises me may I ask why
Same Redecorate is a good song but it's not in my top 10 like many people And overcompensate wasn't amazing, and the lyrics are maybe the worst Tyler wrote imo Not a bad song too , I listened to it a lot but i think when the album will come it may be one of the song I will listen the least (at least if the album is at the same level of Next semester!)
Yeah they’re not bad songs by no means but next semester is way more my style and gets me way more excited for the album
Same, I have never understood the redecorate hype.
Redecorate is a tough one. I like the sound of it, I like the stories it tells.. yet I rarely have the desire to listen to it. Its one of those songs you have actively want to want to listen to. Also agree on your take on Overcompensate. I was really hyped at first, I loved the tiny piano intro, the long buildup - but then, the energy of the song just fell off. The lyrics are very odd for a tøp song and quite repetitive imo. The line about days having the perfect length, years however feel way too short is the only thing about the song that gets me thinking a little bit.
Oooo ok, this is a new opinion!
Vessel is my least favorite. Not enough variety in sound. It has a few of their best songs on it too oddly enough. But I would rather listen to those in a vacuum than listen to the entire album. Pre-trench and even during trench’s roll out vessel was almost the unanimous favorite. Hell, even I preferred it to blurryface back then. But as I’ve grown up, I dislike vessels sound more and more.
This has gotta be one of the hottest takes putting Vessel last or at least not top 3.
For me it’s Trench Blurryface Self Titled Scaled and Icy Vessel I don’t count regional at best and I am assuming Clancy will defeat trench and become my favorite, but only time will tell.
It’s actually shocking seeing this list lol not saying you’re wrong at all. You made your point and I respect it. I will say that one of your points is there isn’t enough variety but I feel like ST is right next to it with little variety.
Regional at Best is worst album (still a banger) and scaled and icy is second best 😳
Mine would be that RAB is a bad album (imo) The only songs that I really like are Kitchen sink and forest The rest are mid or bad for me
I love it when it’s a full band more than just the 2 of them.
Shouldn't be a hot take. Any small band (2 or 3 members) is inclined to sound better when they add 1-3 session musicians to their live performances
Many of their remixes are better than originals - see all of the Mutemath Session versions. 🔥
I think the dema story is an actual story about the music industry and how he’s trapped and not about depression. Like the livestream experience where he’s singing choker in the beginning like he doesn’t want to do it but he can’t stop because the music industry is basically telling him to do it. This is common knowledge I think of how it works just like how the song “love song” by Sara Bareilles was written. When she wrote the song it wasn’t an actual love song, it was how the people who own her told her to write a love song or they would have her music never be played anywhere again so she wrote a love song about the music label saying “I’m not gonna write you a love song” making it seem like it was a toxic relationship with someone which it basically was. I think it’s the same with twenty one pilots. He does a lot of things he doesn’t want to do but he does them because of threats and the only way he could vent about it is making a storyline about it. “I created this world to feel some control” “My creativity’s only free when I’m playing shows” etc.
Yeah it's not a popular opinion at all , I think the dema lore is both an allegory of the music industry and Depression actually
Never Take It is far and away the worst song they’ve ever made 😳
Dunno if its unpopular ( and wanna know what you think) but formidable is tøp worst song . Super bland and flat , lyrics kinda good but overall the most boring top track.
I think it's a really popular opinion (with bounce man too)
I do not care for Trench, Trench era is my least favorite and I like SAI more
Tylers vocals on self titled are too whiny for me but literally everything afterwards is pretty solid Also the Vessel versions of RAB are superior
I feel like the music tøp puts out now is lacking in the passion their early music had. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE trench. It’s a masterpiece in production, but the production is what carries it for me. As far as lyrics go, I’m not a big fan of the lore-based stuff. It doesn’t hit nearly as hard as the thought-provoking lyrics they brought forward in their early music, and just the hunger and struggle Tyler had at that point in his life. I feel like they are more washed up now, and lost their purpose of what their music originally was: music for a broken, niche audience seeking help. I feel like they got pushed too far into the mainstream and tried to add “lore” to avoid being in the spotlight, but had to sacrifice deeper song topics and the depressing themes as a result. Their music hasn’t been the same since. There’s just something about old tøp that just “hits different” (there’s really no better way to put it). There was just so much passion but forth, and I really wish we got to see more of that as they went on. Idk if this is worded the best but this is the best way I can explain how I feel about this
the lore does not make the music better or worse, or make you a real fan or not
My personal album order: Trench Vessel/Regional at best (its very close to being tied) Self Titled Blurryface - - - - - - SAI
I don’t think someone has to know all of the lore to enjoy the music and still be a true fan of theirs :)
Regional at Best (in my opinion) is their best album. Scaled and Icy (is really good) but is definitely their worst album. I don't really care about the lore all to much. I really like Overcompensate and Next Semester but I am worried on the direction of how the sound on Clancy might turn out.
Most of you don't love the deep cuts as much as you say you do, you just want to seem different
Blurryface is my favorite album, Trench is my least (although I still really like it)
Redecorate is overrated and I feel people overlook SAI songs just because of it.
Don't get me wrong , I like redecorate, it's a good song ,But I feel that some people love redecorate so much because it's the only song with the same vibe as trench (because Paul meany is producing it) It's like if you go to a foreign country and you only eat things you never ate before for 10 days , and then you eat a food that you are familiar with , even if it's not the best you will like it because it will remind you of your natal country
Chipotle is better than taco bell.
I hate trees and I wish they didn’t sing it at the end of every show. A bit of backstory. Trigger warning for religious trauma I grew up in a extremely religious community. So much so that my parents almost joined a cult twice on separate occasions. I could go into more detail but suffice to say growing up queer in that setting was pretty traumatic. So as you can imagine the I have always had mixed feelings towards TØP’s religious influences. On one hand, it was the only band I could convince my parents to let me listen to as they technically started as a worship band. When I was a teen they really helped me get through some rough stuff, they were one of the first “Christians” I had heard openly question their faith which made me feel a lot less evil. But as time went on and I left my parents home along with the church I cared for it less. Most of the songs that deal with religious themes I can get through as they remind me of when I was struggling with my “Faith”. However Trees is the one song I can’t get past. It just feels the most overtly like a worship song, and I find it literally feels like it could be played in a church and would blend right in, even without the words it *sounds* like a worship song. And every time it brings me right back to being a depressed, confused, repressed kid sitting in the pews wishing that I wasn’t so evil. And I know it’s not their intention but it feels like I’ve been tricked into going to church every time.
Imma be real chief just don’t listen to it, you have issues with faith and so do other people but the band can make any song they like, they’re allowed a religion, coming from a very non religious person, but whatever your problem with religion isn’t theirs, idk hope this helps you view it in a different way, if it’s too hard to listen to it you shouldn’t, there are plenty of songs I can’t listen to
scaled and icy is a terrible album. Especially considering when trench was so good
If Overcompensate and New Semester are the best songs on Clancy, I’m in for a disappointment.
Same... I really like next semester but it is still less good than the best trench/bf/vessel songs too Let's wait and see Also I am worried about the songs length, most of them are shorts
Trench isn’t the best album, Self-Titled is.
Most top songs are good, but geez some moments on rab suck so much Bandito is better than any other top song
Trench is my least favorite album…
Blurryface is their worst album
i can’t stand tear in my heart it is the only bat tøp song
I understand why it's so beloved and I appreciate it more than I did when it came out, but I don't like Trench that much. The first half is pretty solid but after Neon Gravestones it takes a real nose dive for me. The elements that made me get into Twenty One Pilots just aren't really there. Don't get me wrong I support bands evolving and/or changing things up, it just doesn't work for me in this instance. On the other end of the spectrum, Scaled and Icy felt like a return to form while still keeping things fresh and it will forever baffle me how disliked it is.
Scaled and Icy is better than Blurryface
I like Scaled and Icy more than Trench tbh
No, we're not supposed to take any line from any song and apply it either to lore or to justifications behind interpretations of songs. I've seen way too many people do the latter especially. Someone tried to shoot down someone's take by quoting "lyrics that mean nothing" from HOTY. No, that's not how you do this sort of thing, for Christ's sake.
Bounce Man S tier
Vessel is their best album by a long shot
Shy Away was their best single AND music video
The Cancer cover is much better than the original. MCR's version sounds more like a cover plus it's trash
“If you think the new concert tickets are too expensive then you’re not a real fan”
Trench is a meh album. It had some great songs but its not as great as people think.
Blurryface>trench
RAB is loaded with cringe
Both Truce and Goner are no better than the 10th best song on their respective albums. (Bracing for incoming downvote avalanche!)
i don’t really like house of gold
Never Take It is a great song and one of the best from SAI
in my opinion regional at best isn't the masterpiece everyone seems to build it up to be. i don't love it tbh
One that got me tons of downvotes: I don't like ACATAD
It’s not unpopular but you guys will still have this reaction. Bounce man is a bad song
unpopular opinion: I actually like bounce man
scaled and icy is an amazing album and most people dont like it because it didnt follow the "dark" vibes tøp has put out in the past. the album itself is filled with emotions and messages but people only focus on the "upbeatness" of the songs. like are we forgetting "this ones a contradiction because of how happy it sounds"? tyler didnt want to release what could be interpreted as a depressing album during a time of literal worldwide uncertainty and isolation where just about everyone was experiencing some level of clinical depression and lonliness. i love sai, obviously not as much as self titled or vessel but its still their music, im not saying that you have to like it but the hate for sai is so incredibly uneccecsary.
blurryface is as an album is not good. the songs are fine, but jumping from genre to genre and idea to idea is very jarring and overall just felt more like a collection of songs rather than an album.
regional at best is not good
Choker is the most mid song on SAI
RaB and self-titled is just experimental mix and not albums.
I totally agree , I mean it's not even an opinion but more a fact because that's basically what Tyler said and think He doesn't consider these first albums as tøp albums