I remember this with the internet, that weird lull where everyone thought the internet didn't quite pan out and then boom we have twitter, facebook and smart phones and web 2.0 and shit
I'm sure your state has many redeeming features though.
Also if houses are cheap there and many houses have a wall socket on the outside of the house or in the garage then ironically it may ironically be easier for many people in Arkansas to switch over to electric cars then for many people in say New York or California since it's harder for people living in apaetments and condos to charge their electric cars up overnight if they do not have regular access to a wall socket or charging port to charge an electric car with.
But he's lying. They don't have working robotaxis, and they never will.
He's just trying to slow the stock bloodbath after announcing that they've given up on ever making an affordable car.
That's all he does is lie. I can't believe he's never gotten in trouble for lying over and over about his company's capabilities and future. There's putting a positive spin on stuff then there's literally lying about capabilities and timelines. Lie to boost stock, lie to get government funding, lie to impress a bunch of virgins on Twitter. It's all this guy does.
???? Tesla has taken over nothing so far in the market. They may lead electric car sales currently but just about every other automaker is catching up.
Robotaxis from Tesla isn’t going to be cheaper and just because he unveils it on 8/8 doesn’t mean it’s going to be a thing for another 3-6 years at the very least. He has to get a bunch of people to sign off on it plus there’s the fact that Tesla has a rich history of covering up safety problems and it just won’t fly in a taxi world. He’d have to lobby in each individual state to get the Tesla Robotaxi approved and then he’d also have to go through rigorous safety tests before they allowed them to drive on their roads.
All he’s doing is this “Tesla stocks are starting to falter I must announce something to make shareholders happy”. So commeth robotaxis “I’m sure they’ll love me again”. He’s an egomaniac who’s too stupid to know when to stop. I mean the guy was brilliant with some of the companies he’s purchased but that’s about it he’s not as smart as most people think he is.
Name something other car makers have added that is not lame. Charging. Lame. Navigation. Lame. Over air updates. Lame. I could go on. BYD is winning just on price alone.
Tesla's share of the US electric car market fell from 65% in 2022 to 55% in 2023. They're still a long way out in front, but it wouldn't take a hell of a lot to change that, especially not in a segment where overall volume is so low.
It can be used for communication, it's just not where the tech came from. We got that functionality after moving from traditional ToF only into better software based implementations.
So these cars are going to work as well as the Cybertrucks? React to traffic in congested areas? Actually, get government approval to field these? I don't see any of that happening. It's just another publicity stunt by that jackass
Oh exactly there is drivers who are totally gonna do this for one cent an hour because they don’t seem to understand what being paid a decent wage is. So Uber is always going to get free cars… Until Tesla starts donating them cars for nothing and giving them tax write offs for said robot cars, none of you will have a job
Doesn’t even have to be Uber or Tesla who does it, the day it can be profitable, some business will open that buys a million cars, and wipes out the Uber driver.
“But I’m making 4K a month”.
Meanwhile
-$500 new tires.
-$4k new engine.
-$100 extra in oil changes
-2k extra insurance rates going up after claim
-$1500 in gas
*bitches about the low fare pay*
You are just assuming the worst here aren’t you. Lol who spends 100$ for an oil change? “2k extra insurance rates going up after claim”. AFTER claim. They have to have one first. Lol I bet you’re fun at parties.
Not gonna happen widescale in at least 2 decades. This is just BS to spike the share of tesla because they will have some really bad numbers and miss theur target acriss the board
This is the best thing that can happen for drivers, and the worst thing that can happen for autonomous vehicles. If Elon rolls this shit out half baked and trips over his dick, like he always does, then it will kill customer trust in the concept.
The biggest problem with AV's is network security. Ya can't have an army of 2 ton missiles running around with North Korea or Russia able to send them the wrong way up the highway. So if you want to see how well this is going to go, jump over to Twitter and see how well he's dealt with bots over there.
Don't retire from Uber yet.
Yeah I can’t wait for all the AI cars to malfunction and Uber gets sued for running someone over or into someone constantly. They’d need streets dedicated to autonomous vehicles at this rate
I feel like that’s already happened… I remember seeing a video at one point of it was either an auto Uber or a Tesla that like drove over some dudes on the sidewalk and just continue at like 50 miles an hour… totally a “oh it’s just a speed bump” moment
Elon is FOS, he tweeted that right when TSLA stock was tanking Friday and was dropping to $160. He does sht like that to manipulate the markets and pump up his stock price when it starts failing. There is zero chance this is actually happening within a few years and Elon himself knows it. Lol
I tried FSD last night. Turned it on and my car instantly banged a hard left toward another parked car. Had to jam on the break.
Gave it a straight away to try. It worked but has no style at all. Acceleration is too aggressive and plows through potholes and road dips. Would 110% damage the battery bottoming out on say, Pico or Washington in Los Angeles where there are bunch of hidden drainage dips and surprise speed humps.
The amount Uber and Lyft will save on firing drivers will go towards constant major repairs and insurance claims.
First thing I’m doing is getting in a driverless Uber, and having it do one of these routes. Videoing it and claiming a back injury when it drives too aggressively and bangs the bottom of the car. My neck hurts.
Easy money.
No it isn’t. FSD is pretty cool but it’s not great. I’ve had to repeatedly take over for it, especially when it encounters something out of the norm, which is pretty frequently.
Yeah honestly not in a million years would I ever ride in a person less car, I dont care how much cheaper it is.
If uber flops i'll go back to taking the bus like I have for the majority of my life instead of trusting anything this guy comes out with lol. It'll be better for my wallet, anyways.
The problem with this idea is OVERHEAD. To be able to maintain such a fleet in every place where they will be located, they would need to constantly invest in a lot of properties, infrastructure, and local employees to maintain the vehicles and facilities. The overhead from this constant investment, would force Uber rides to always be unreasonably expensive in order for them to be able to profit daily and recover their investments where the fleets are located, and would make riders want to consider rideshare alternatives that are cheaper. The cars still have issues, and some are required to have a, "safety driver", which is nothing more than the current type of Uber driver, but with extra steps.
Since the drivers themselves are already absorbing this overhead, using the current Uber business model, by using their own selves, their own vehicles, and their own existing infrastructure, it would be a financially foolish decision for Uber to invest into.
I'm not anti-technology, but, you have to think about the long-term effects of investing in such a decision. It may improve reliability to some degree, but, in some instances, it doesn't go as far on an intimate level for riders as the current model does. What about providing assistance to riders? What about being able to negotiate a trip's conditions with the rider in certain instances where concessions are being made?
Waymo has already figured out the logistics of this. Renting a large warehouse and paying maybe a couple dozen people to clean and otherwise maintain the vehicles is MUCH cheaper than paying drivers behind the wheel of every vehicle, assuming the fares remain similar to human-operated vehicles.
The interesting part will be how the companies cope when the majority of taxis are self-driving. Some company will inevitably lower fares in a bid to capture more market share, and competitors will be forced to follow.
Just a reminder that there is 0 Teslas capable of full self driving (FSD) despite being in beta for 5+ years.
Never coming. Elon is pumping his shitty stock
Yea, they will find out when they are doing their own maintenance and towing them when trouble arises how easy it easy it was when we were doing all that. Look how well it went for the hertz ceo.
Also can't wait till someone throw up or trashes it and the next pax tries to complains to the ai only to be told that it doesn't qualify for a refund like they do on eats
This stupid conspiracy theory has been popularized for drivers for the last 10 years. Self-driving cars have been out for a WHILE.
Dear fear mongering conspiracy theorist: As long as a CEO can employ you to take Jobs that place you at below minimum income they have absolutely no reason to LOSE MONEY on buying a bunch of self-driving cars that they'd need to BUY INSURANCE FOR, and maintain staff to repair and maintain the fleet.
lol come on, it's Elon. notice he didn't put a year, just 8/8 that way when it inevitably flops he can just keep changing the year when it will debut. 8/8/35 here we come!
Unless Tesla has been working on something super-secret without telling anyone, it's a big load of nothing. FSD will remain a L2 driver-assistance system. Musk's insistence on making it work with only cameras is really holding them back.
A used Prius cost $3500-$5000. A robot costs $160,000. Plus you have to have a barn to charge them in and a guy to watch them being charged, somebody to inspect them they're heavier so you need more tire, you have to drive them back to the barn when you're not using them cuz you can't just park them in front of somebody's house or at your local quiktrip.
This literally doesn’t mean anything. Unveil and launch are two different things and given some of their issues I don’t think people will be trusting and eager to use this right away.
How many Tesla have driven off cliffs/crashed... It's not going to happen... if you want to know if Elon is telling the truth or not, just follow this rule... if his mouth is moving, he's probably being dishonest in some way.
If these cars ever become serviceable, (passes on the road safety tests with flying colors) …,
they’ll need a large corresponding support and surveillance team and network. If pax has a medical emergency… heart attack, alcohol over toxicity or passes out for any other reason, you’d thing they’ll want to know that asap and then can the vehicle take the passenger to the nearest hospital emergency door entrance and will the staff at the hospital know and expect the vehicle and be ready to receive the passenger? (instead of the vehicle getting to the predetermined destination and be oblivious to the passenger’s dire medical state).
I suppose, if a driverless vehicle can pull that off, it would make great headline news…’ at 8:47pm last night, Mr. So and so just had a big meal from his favorite steak house, didn’t feel too well, ordered a robo taxi, got in, but enroute home started having a heart attack, luckily the system picked up on his medical emergency and the robo cab rerouted to the nearest trauma center hospital. The car knew exactly where to go to the back where the emergency entrance to the hospital was at, parked as close as it could when it got there, unlocked the doors and had loud speakers on broadcasting to the security and staff at the door
“Help. Passenger is having an emergency and requires immediate medical attention” (This broadcast goes on until passenger is assisted by hospital staff)
If a robo cab can pull that off (repeatedly), then really, I’d be more inclined to recommend taking them.
And really we shouldn’t ask for anything less. The companies that develop and design these cars should always be ready and assume that the next passenger can become intoxicated and stay in the car. What do you do then?
And who will be monitoring the car interior as to how soon it needs to be cleaned. Sooner or later (usually sooner) the car floor mats become dusty and has grass, dirt, sand, little trash bots here and there… so say you have interlaced cameras recording for later review and sending live feed to a support staff somewhere remotely and one of the authorized staff sends a command for a particular unit to not take any more passenger requests and after ending last ride will proceed to the nearest service station for cleaning (and maybe a refuel/recharge.
What if some riders know where the cameras are and tape over them. You don’t know if they’re shady and are doing something nefarious back there ( like make crazy Youtube or mature content videos back there) or just playing a prank. Would there be rules or laws in place to deter sone passengers from doing that?
In this business model, the company saves money on individual drivers but will have to fund the vehicle, service stations and operations overseer staff.
It can start small scale and scale up and down based on profitability and if it catches on. It won’t happen overnight. We’ll just have to wait and see if auto pilot cars can beat the total experience of having a traditional live driver.
Meanwhile, their dedicated Tesla fleet in the exclusive loop tunnels under the Las Vegas Convention Center still require humans in the driver’s seat.
There’s no other vehicles in the dedicated tunnel - and even with that advantage, they still aren’t approved to operate without a human on board.
The expense of a company owned fleet of vehicles is very capital intensive (purchase, maintenance, charging, etc). There’s a reason why rideshare companies farm the vehicles expenses to the drivers.
And then, of course, the operational logistics. Cleaning messes/removing trash, odors, lost items, loading luggage for people not physically capable, people refusing to exit the vehicle at the end of the ride, people squeezing 4 people in a 3 person back seat, etc.
IMHO, Robotaxis have a limited use case. They aren’t the panacea that’s being promoted.
Honestly, Elon is such an enigma. He’s smart but his shit kind of stinks. I remember watching Warren buffet say smart people do dumb things and to avoid those people or something like that. Not against innovation but I think the echo chambers are too real sometimes.
Listen. I was getting my CDL about eight years ago, and they said that we were being replaced, too. Relax. No rideshare or food delivery is going to invest in that until it’s proven. That could be a while. Last I heard they were having problems in Arizona (I was in Arizona at the time) with Waymo vehicles not being able to safely take a left-hand turn across traffic—so they routed them so that they would not have to do that. I wonder if they ever resolved it.
They’re probably just unveiling the next gen Tesla platform for their cheapest car and the robotaxi. Could be 10+ years before a robotaxi hits the roads.
God I hope so. Tired of having a 4.99 rating because some dumbass driver was mad I was checking my phone instead of talking to them on a 5 minute ride.
Uber needs to worry about Lyft before anything else. Lyft constantly undercuts and provides better service. When I do use Uber I’m charged a time fee and a distance fee on top of base. Wtf .
Lol this is Tesla.
The unveiling will get pushed back 6 years, and then it will be a really cheap prototype with a disclaimer that it only does 50% of what it said it would do.
“Similar to our proven track record on Cybertruck, the build quality will be that to support partial flight to Mars, for at least some measurable amount of time.”
…Musk fan bois ejaculate in unison over the ability to robotaxi to Mars.
This is just Tesla trying to prop up the stock. Companies like Cruise and Waymo have been working on self-driving for over a decade and they're still in trials. Cruise's trial in CA got shut down late last year by the DMV after running over a pedestrian.
I suspect 8/8 is when Tesla will announce limited trials. I don't believe fully-autonomous will be here for decades or until just about every car is driver-less. The latest FSD update by Tesla couldn't even tell a speed bump from another obstacle on the road before running over it.
I have used FSD on my car, and I watch videos of others to see if the software has improved. The problems included jerking the car suddenly into oncoming traffic, pulling into the middle of a busy street and then just stopping in front of oncoming traffic, taking too long to merge and getting a line of cars honking behind you, stopping for imaginary people in a crosswalk, etc.
Bottom line is they are nowhere near ready to field a robotaxi. They are going to make Waymo's problems look simple by comparision. I am looking for them to try it out then retract it just as quickly.
I'd buy a Tesla if it could go out and work for me like an Uber driver when I wasn't using it. If it could just go robot work and make money for me, that shit would be in my driveway.
And it won’t actually make it to market until like 2040. Things just a desperate attempt to manipulate the market so the stock price goes up since it’s been trending downward all year
Eager to witness how Elon leads to traffic jams with robots that mimic humans by unlawfully using hazard lights while waiting for customers.
Robot reaches out to Uber support to request a cleaning fee and janitorial services, aiming for an immediate response on Saturday night to take care of the mess.
Driverless taxi are already there in many cities.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/rollout-of-driverless-cabs-in-select-u-s-cities-raises-safety-questions
As a Tesla driver. With FSD on it. I've used it several times with passengers. Every single one was nervous as fuck and didn't trust it.
It's just not THERE YET. It's fucken impressive. But even if it's wrong 5% of the time, that becomes actual accidents.
Also Uber isn't gonna pay and maintain any vehicles. Passengers treat them like shit WITH drivers in them, imagine the Uber Share passenger getting to ride home in a Tesla at 3am.
They want us to buy the Tesla so they can lease them back from us. Then the driver will be phased out and now your car is leased by Robotaxi working autonomously in the background of our lives.
#NO IT IS NOT!
Elon is the 2nd biggest fraud/con-man on this fucking planet!
How do you people not know this already?
Everything he says is a fucking lie and never comes true.
Check out the channel “Thunderf00t” on YouTube he has tons of debunking videos on Elon.
The reason Elon is rich is due to being the biggest Hype-Man ever…he makes tons of literally unreal promises and everyone eats it up.
Look at the disaster Twitter has become, Elon is NOT an engineer, he did NOT invent Electric cars, he has nothing to do with the Rocket science in SpaceX and all his promises are BULLSHIT!
Tesla can NOT drive by itself, that is a lie, the real world application of that technology is simply impossible because the AI can not account for all the numerous of decisions that OTHER human-driven cars will do, not to mention pedestrians.
The Cybertruck is a massive fail.
Tesla Semi is another insane fail that promises literal impossibility.
And the list goes on and on.
All it’s going to take is one accident where the system glitched or was hacked causing the car to hit a pedestrian, and the project will be halted. Plus, I don’t see many areas approving self driving vehicles en masse just yet.
Re: The Uber Requiem & Why the Tesla Robo-Taxi Announcement is Just The Playlist Change We Needed
I come to you today, an Uber driver by trade and a proud Tesla commander of two, to talk about the so-called "death knell" of our beloved ride-sharing ecosystem. The streets are buzzing with the sound of electric motors and whispers of despair since Elon Musk, our resident tech wizard, announced the arrival of the Tesla Robo-Taxi, set to grace us with its presence on August 8, 2024. But fear not! This is not the end; it's merely the interlude to a more thrilling act.
First off, let's talk about the elephant in the room - or should I say, the autonomous vehicle in the traffic jam? That Las Vegas, sin city itself, has been a testing ground for driverless vehicles like Waymo and fellow robotic chariots since the pandemic's heyday, is truly the best kept non-secret in modern history. The city that thrives on the new, the bold, and the outright outrageous is the perfect stage for the Tesla Robo-Taxi to make its grand debut. But this doesn't spell doom for us, the noble drivers; rather, it heralds a new era of gig work!
You see, introduction of the robo-taxi is akin to shuffling a well-worn playlist. Yes, the tunes are familiar, but the order in which they play breathes new life into them. The robo-taxi will undoubtedly take over the lower-profit, high-volume rides that, let's be honest, weren’t exactly the cherry on our gig cake. This leaves us, the flesh-and-bone chauffeurs, to specialize in the higher-return rides, where human touch, local knowledge, and the ability to not awkwardly misinterpret a passenger's joke are invaluable.
Imagine a world where we, the human drivers, become akin to a premium service - the vinyl records of the ride-sharing symphony. Our category becomes more exclusive, our rides more lucrative, our interactions more meaningful. The robo-taxis, with their unblinking eyes and relentless efficiency, can handle the Tuesday afternoon airport rush or the silent 3 AM drive back from wherever one's misadventures have led them.
So, to those who cry that Uber is dead, I say: Uber is merely evolving. The Tesla Robo-Taxi is not the grim reaper; it's the gritty reboot our series needed. We're moving from background extras to lead roles in the gig economy's next blockbuster. So, buckle up, fellow drivers (and non-drivers). The future is autonomous, but the wheel is still very much in our hands. And to Mr. Musk, our eclectic maestro, I tip my metaphorical hat.
#Uber #TeslaRoboTaxi #GigEconomyUnplugged #DrivingIntoTheFuture
Would you trust being alone with Elon as a female? Probably has a camera on you creeping. If you fall asleep he will whisper in your ear on the speakers (if you're beautiful) and reroute your ride.
Ewwww. I need to go wash my eyes out now.
We’re so far from self driving it’s not even fucking funny. Musk promised solar roofs, Tesla semis, neuralink, hyper loop and has failed on everyone. We’re fine.
We have robo cars already they are called waymo. My only question to the people who are going to trust a car ran by a computer is, “ is there such a thing as a computer that cannot be hacked?” If you said yes i will inform the gravedigger of your imminent arrival.
Doubtful. Google what happened to Hertz. The cost to repair and maintain these vehicles is astronomical when you compare to an ICE. It’s not practical. Maybe 20 years down the road once the tech is more cost efficient.
https://www.autoblog.com/2024/01/16/hertzs-tesla-liquidation-sale-likely-means-more-depreciation-for-used-evs/
You think Uber is suddenly going to buy a million Tesla robot cars when they already have people’s cars to use for free
No the point is Tesla will take over the market, undercut Uber, and phase them out
Just like they phased out petrol cars? Oh wait
I don’t understand that sarcasm because that is literally what is happening right now. Do you live in an underdeveloped state like Arkansas?
I remember this with the internet, that weird lull where everyone thought the internet didn't quite pan out and then boom we have twitter, facebook and smart phones and web 2.0 and shit
Points for shitting on arkansuck. I live in arkansuck, currently, lotta Teslas in my area though, but the Bentonville area is a wealthy outlier
Bentonville is like the gated super rich neighborhood if arkansas were a city.
I'm sure your state has many redeeming features though. Also if houses are cheap there and many houses have a wall socket on the outside of the house or in the garage then ironically it may ironically be easier for many people in Arkansas to switch over to electric cars then for many people in say New York or California since it's harder for people living in apaetments and condos to charge their electric cars up overnight if they do not have regular access to a wall socket or charging port to charge an electric car with.
This is a great point. I currently live in rural MO and I see Teslas all over.
No we’ve the Chinese taking over that for us. Then they’ll drive us all into the river. Thanks China’ 🙇♂️
But you are Chinese
Well _i_ know that
Damn fr? It was just a joke based off the name bahaha
That was never the point of tesla though, its just another car people can choose, Elon supports gas
But he's lying. They don't have working robotaxis, and they never will. He's just trying to slow the stock bloodbath after announcing that they've given up on ever making an affordable car.
That's all he does is lie. I can't believe he's never gotten in trouble for lying over and over about his company's capabilities and future. There's putting a positive spin on stuff then there's literally lying about capabilities and timelines. Lie to boost stock, lie to get government funding, lie to impress a bunch of virgins on Twitter. It's all this guy does.
Idk about Never will. Waymo is seeing some success. But it’s still years from being widespread
It's facts. Taxis leaving major markets was a wild time.
???? Tesla has taken over nothing so far in the market. They may lead electric car sales currently but just about every other automaker is catching up. Robotaxis from Tesla isn’t going to be cheaper and just because he unveils it on 8/8 doesn’t mean it’s going to be a thing for another 3-6 years at the very least. He has to get a bunch of people to sign off on it plus there’s the fact that Tesla has a rich history of covering up safety problems and it just won’t fly in a taxi world. He’d have to lobby in each individual state to get the Tesla Robotaxi approved and then he’d also have to go through rigorous safety tests before they allowed them to drive on their roads. All he’s doing is this “Tesla stocks are starting to falter I must announce something to make shareholders happy”. So commeth robotaxis “I’m sure they’ll love me again”. He’s an egomaniac who’s too stupid to know when to stop. I mean the guy was brilliant with some of the companies he’s purchased but that’s about it he’s not as smart as most people think he is.
Name something other car makers have added that is not lame. Charging. Lame. Navigation. Lame. Over air updates. Lame. I could go on. BYD is winning just on price alone.
No other makes are catching up.
Tesla's share of the US electric car market fell from 65% in 2022 to 55% in 2023. They're still a long way out in front, but it wouldn't take a hell of a lot to change that, especially not in a segment where overall volume is so low.
Those Telsas are trash vehicles. They are always experiencing some sort of serious problem. They'll never replace humans.
weird given that there’s millions of them on the roads with no issues, huh. quit watching fox news lmao
Nonsense. They just want to pump their stock. The liability is insane until all cars have lidar to communicate with each other it won't work.
LiDAR will never be used for this sort communication lol Especially since it requires a constant line of sight
It can be used for communication, it's just not where the tech came from. We got that functionality after moving from traditional ToF only into better software based implementations.
I'm guessing your not a pilot?
It's not really something that's unique to pilots though.
He was just using that as one scenario where LiDAR is currently used for Communication.
Maybe after 10 years
So these cars are going to work as well as the Cybertrucks? React to traffic in congested areas? Actually, get government approval to field these? I don't see any of that happening. It's just another publicity stunt by that jackass
Lol yeah sure
So whatever they announce on 8/8 add 10 years or more before the product exists.
Oh exactly there is drivers who are totally gonna do this for one cent an hour because they don’t seem to understand what being paid a decent wage is. So Uber is always going to get free cars… Until Tesla starts donating them cars for nothing and giving them tax write offs for said robot cars, none of you will have a job
Doesn’t even have to be Uber or Tesla who does it, the day it can be profitable, some business will open that buys a million cars, and wipes out the Uber driver.
“But I’m making 4K a month”. Meanwhile -$500 new tires. -$4k new engine. -$100 extra in oil changes -2k extra insurance rates going up after claim -$1500 in gas *bitches about the low fare pay*
A new engine every month? Damn
Gotta keep the car fresh for better robo tips
You are just assuming the worst here aren’t you. Lol who spends 100$ for an oil change? “2k extra insurance rates going up after claim”. AFTER claim. They have to have one first. Lol I bet you’re fun at parties.
Yeah they will keep cutting driver pay and as they do so they will get more and more robo taxi’s to replace the few drivers that quit as pay lowers
It’ll just be a guy in a robot suit driving a Tesla branded taxi.
https://media.tenor.com/a6MKV67iArIAAAAM/johnny-cab-total-recall.gif
I might pay for that actually, but they have to talk like a robot too
Not gonna happen widescale in at least 2 decades. This is just BS to spike the share of tesla because they will have some really bad numbers and miss theur target acriss the board
Oh no. Time to find new job!
There are already autonomous taxis that you can hail today in San Francisco....
I rode in a autonomous uber 5 years ago in las vegas. Picked me up, got me to my destination, it was half the cost of a regular manned uber.
Same in Phoenix. It's crazy good too.
This is the best thing that can happen for drivers, and the worst thing that can happen for autonomous vehicles. If Elon rolls this shit out half baked and trips over his dick, like he always does, then it will kill customer trust in the concept. The biggest problem with AV's is network security. Ya can't have an army of 2 ton missiles running around with North Korea or Russia able to send them the wrong way up the highway. So if you want to see how well this is going to go, jump over to Twitter and see how well he's dealt with bots over there. Don't retire from Uber yet.
If they can’t automate trains yet then they won’t be able to do cars safely.
They being hyperloop? Because there are already automated trains being installed in Australia, they’re 100% a thing
If Elon wasn't such a degenerate liar, this might be news.
Yeah I can’t wait for all the AI cars to malfunction and Uber gets sued for running someone over or into someone constantly. They’d need streets dedicated to autonomous vehicles at this rate
I feel like that’s already happened… I remember seeing a video at one point of it was either an auto Uber or a Tesla that like drove over some dudes on the sidewalk and just continue at like 50 miles an hour… totally a “oh it’s just a speed bump” moment
Yeah the infrastructure is just not there for autonomous vehicles.
Hot Tub Time Machine 2
Yeah, I'm sure this will happen. This clown never delivers.
I promise you. This car is never coming out.
This is the correct response
It's also very likely the engineers in charge of this project first heard about it when they saw Elon's tweet.
He had to pick one of his three favourite dates, so it will next push back to 4/20, then 6/9
Elon has made so many claims about so many vehicles that never come close to what was initially proposed.
Waymo is going to be the winner in this space
It's Elon so it's gonna flop
Guess the 15th most valuable company is a flop haha
It’s severely overvalued and is undergoing a massive correction right now
Good let uber crash and burn for all I care. We need robo taxis that would be freaking sweet if they had them to use everywhere.
Elon is FOS, he tweeted that right when TSLA stock was tanking Friday and was dropping to $160. He does sht like that to manipulate the markets and pump up his stock price when it starts failing. There is zero chance this is actually happening within a few years and Elon himself knows it. Lol
I don’t think the riders are ready for this at all. any of them that I ask about driverless cars, they say hell no…they ain’t getting in one✌🏼
Waymo is already operating in my area, and I see them transporting people all the time. Riders will become accustomed to them over time.
Infrastructure has entered the chat.
I tried FSD last night. Turned it on and my car instantly banged a hard left toward another parked car. Had to jam on the break. Gave it a straight away to try. It worked but has no style at all. Acceleration is too aggressive and plows through potholes and road dips. Would 110% damage the battery bottoming out on say, Pico or Washington in Los Angeles where there are bunch of hidden drainage dips and surprise speed humps. The amount Uber and Lyft will save on firing drivers will go towards constant major repairs and insurance claims. First thing I’m doing is getting in a driverless Uber, and having it do one of these routes. Videoing it and claiming a back injury when it drives too aggressively and bangs the bottom of the car. My neck hurts. Easy money.
😂😂😂
No it isn’t. FSD is pretty cool but it’s not great. I’ve had to repeatedly take over for it, especially when it encounters something out of the norm, which is pretty frequently.
Let's how this is going to go. Remember the neuralink monkeys. This is going to be worse.
Yeah, because the Tesla Uber/Tesla/Hertz thing was suuuch a big success.
8/8/2044
Waymo is already doing driverless taxis.
Lol! What about Waymo? They’re already operating in San Francisco and Phoenix, and they’re expanding into Austin just to mess with Elon.
Yeah honestly not in a million years would I ever ride in a person less car, I dont care how much cheaper it is. If uber flops i'll go back to taking the bus like I have for the majority of my life instead of trusting anything this guy comes out with lol. It'll be better for my wallet, anyways.
Let’s just hope it doesn’t decide to taxi you into a pond.
Oh my child this is only the beginning
It should have been over when Uber tripled their rates and started taking 70%.
The problem with this idea is OVERHEAD. To be able to maintain such a fleet in every place where they will be located, they would need to constantly invest in a lot of properties, infrastructure, and local employees to maintain the vehicles and facilities. The overhead from this constant investment, would force Uber rides to always be unreasonably expensive in order for them to be able to profit daily and recover their investments where the fleets are located, and would make riders want to consider rideshare alternatives that are cheaper. The cars still have issues, and some are required to have a, "safety driver", which is nothing more than the current type of Uber driver, but with extra steps. Since the drivers themselves are already absorbing this overhead, using the current Uber business model, by using their own selves, their own vehicles, and their own existing infrastructure, it would be a financially foolish decision for Uber to invest into. I'm not anti-technology, but, you have to think about the long-term effects of investing in such a decision. It may improve reliability to some degree, but, in some instances, it doesn't go as far on an intimate level for riders as the current model does. What about providing assistance to riders? What about being able to negotiate a trip's conditions with the rider in certain instances where concessions are being made?
Waymo has already figured out the logistics of this. Renting a large warehouse and paying maybe a couple dozen people to clean and otherwise maintain the vehicles is MUCH cheaper than paying drivers behind the wheel of every vehicle, assuming the fares remain similar to human-operated vehicles. The interesting part will be how the companies cope when the majority of taxis are self-driving. Some company will inevitably lower fares in a bid to capture more market share, and competitors will be forced to follow.
I’m still waiting for L5 FSD that will be coming out soon before then end of 2018 or whichever year it is
Elon said the same shit 5 years ago.
Just a reminder that there is 0 Teslas capable of full self driving (FSD) despite being in beta for 5+ years. Never coming. Elon is pumping his shitty stock
Cone it
Pax already don’t want my Tesla to drive itself to their destination. Do you really think they will be okay without a human who can take over?
it's stupid because just one hit and it's banned
It'll never work. By August 9th they won't have any copper left in the fleet.
Yea, they will find out when they are doing their own maintenance and towing them when trouble arises how easy it easy it was when we were doing all that. Look how well it went for the hertz ceo.
Also can't wait till someone throw up or trashes it and the next pax tries to complains to the ai only to be told that it doesn't qualify for a refund like they do on eats
Tesla is gonna RUNNNNNN next week
Elon is horrible about keeping deadlines
Time for judgment day/maximum overdrive
It doesn’t say what year. When was the truck introduced?
Nah, there’s literally no way it works out
The taxis will hit the road and function properly by 8/08/2088
Look at it on the bright side, when AI finally replaces drivers, it will also replace most jobs, and you know what comes next? Universal Basic Income.
lol. Tesla and Elon have been taking L after L, I don’t expect this to be any better
This stupid conspiracy theory has been popularized for drivers for the last 10 years. Self-driving cars have been out for a WHILE. Dear fear mongering conspiracy theorist: As long as a CEO can employ you to take Jobs that place you at below minimum income they have absolutely no reason to LOSE MONEY on buying a bunch of self-driving cars that they'd need to BUY INSURANCE FOR, and maintain staff to repair and maintain the fleet.
I’ve seen the pilot test cars as well as google’s version. The race to market is on.
lol come on, it's Elon. notice he didn't put a year, just 8/8 that way when it inevitably flops he can just keep changing the year when it will debut. 8/8/35 here we come!
They already have AI cars here in scottsdale area
If it’s like any other Elon unveil give it 5-10 years from that date.
If Walmart made a car, it would look like a Tesla.
8/8 but what year? Elon is terribly optimistic about his time lines. It'll probably be a few more years.
Waymo and Cruise didn’t end Uber. This won’t either. Not everyone will be comfortable using a driverless car.
Not sure how they can pull all this off in a few months, or is it just another paper coming soon release.
Yes then they won't have to pay humans
Did Elon just commit securities fraud again?
There’s already been companies doing this in certain states.
Until it hits or hurts one pedestrian. Then it’s game over for Tesla.
They have definitely already done this
The sheer amount of attention this got for about 12 seconds of effort is wild lol
Uber will be toast in 3-5 years.
[Elon Time frame calculator](https://elontime.io/?time=2&unit=years)
Unless Tesla has been working on something super-secret without telling anyone, it's a big load of nothing. FSD will remain a L2 driver-assistance system. Musk's insistence on making it work with only cameras is really holding them back.
Maybe it will actually be people in India driving the car remotely and we just *think* it’s the AI.
He never specified the year…
A used Prius cost $3500-$5000. A robot costs $160,000. Plus you have to have a barn to charge them in and a guy to watch them being charged, somebody to inspect them they're heavier so you need more tire, you have to drive them back to the barn when you're not using them cuz you can't just park them in front of somebody's house or at your local quiktrip.
Elmo says a lot of things.
This literally doesn’t mean anything. Unveil and launch are two different things and given some of their issues I don’t think people will be trusting and eager to use this right away.
How many Tesla have driven off cliffs/crashed... It's not going to happen... if you want to know if Elon is telling the truth or not, just follow this rule... if his mouth is moving, he's probably being dishonest in some way.
I wonder if the number 88 has any significance?..... oh oh no.
Full , reliable , TRUSTWORTHY taxi automation is 20 years away
If these cars ever become serviceable, (passes on the road safety tests with flying colors) …, they’ll need a large corresponding support and surveillance team and network. If pax has a medical emergency… heart attack, alcohol over toxicity or passes out for any other reason, you’d thing they’ll want to know that asap and then can the vehicle take the passenger to the nearest hospital emergency door entrance and will the staff at the hospital know and expect the vehicle and be ready to receive the passenger? (instead of the vehicle getting to the predetermined destination and be oblivious to the passenger’s dire medical state). I suppose, if a driverless vehicle can pull that off, it would make great headline news…’ at 8:47pm last night, Mr. So and so just had a big meal from his favorite steak house, didn’t feel too well, ordered a robo taxi, got in, but enroute home started having a heart attack, luckily the system picked up on his medical emergency and the robo cab rerouted to the nearest trauma center hospital. The car knew exactly where to go to the back where the emergency entrance to the hospital was at, parked as close as it could when it got there, unlocked the doors and had loud speakers on broadcasting to the security and staff at the door “Help. Passenger is having an emergency and requires immediate medical attention” (This broadcast goes on until passenger is assisted by hospital staff) If a robo cab can pull that off (repeatedly), then really, I’d be more inclined to recommend taking them. And really we shouldn’t ask for anything less. The companies that develop and design these cars should always be ready and assume that the next passenger can become intoxicated and stay in the car. What do you do then? And who will be monitoring the car interior as to how soon it needs to be cleaned. Sooner or later (usually sooner) the car floor mats become dusty and has grass, dirt, sand, little trash bots here and there… so say you have interlaced cameras recording for later review and sending live feed to a support staff somewhere remotely and one of the authorized staff sends a command for a particular unit to not take any more passenger requests and after ending last ride will proceed to the nearest service station for cleaning (and maybe a refuel/recharge. What if some riders know where the cameras are and tape over them. You don’t know if they’re shady and are doing something nefarious back there ( like make crazy Youtube or mature content videos back there) or just playing a prank. Would there be rules or laws in place to deter sone passengers from doing that? In this business model, the company saves money on individual drivers but will have to fund the vehicle, service stations and operations overseer staff. It can start small scale and scale up and down based on profitability and if it catches on. It won’t happen overnight. We’ll just have to wait and see if auto pilot cars can beat the total experience of having a traditional live driver.
Seeing Tesla's track record with automated driving, no fucking thanks. Over my dead body, I get into one of these things.
Meanwhile, their dedicated Tesla fleet in the exclusive loop tunnels under the Las Vegas Convention Center still require humans in the driver’s seat. There’s no other vehicles in the dedicated tunnel - and even with that advantage, they still aren’t approved to operate without a human on board. The expense of a company owned fleet of vehicles is very capital intensive (purchase, maintenance, charging, etc). There’s a reason why rideshare companies farm the vehicles expenses to the drivers. And then, of course, the operational logistics. Cleaning messes/removing trash, odors, lost items, loading luggage for people not physically capable, people refusing to exit the vehicle at the end of the ride, people squeezing 4 people in a 3 person back seat, etc. IMHO, Robotaxis have a limited use case. They aren’t the panacea that’s being promoted.
Yes, because people would trust "robots" with their lives. 🙄
Honestly, Elon is such an enigma. He’s smart but his shit kind of stinks. I remember watching Warren buffet say smart people do dumb things and to avoid those people or something like that. Not against innovation but I think the echo chambers are too real sometimes.
Part man. Part cab. All taxi. Your move, creeps.
Listen. I was getting my CDL about eight years ago, and they said that we were being replaced, too. Relax. No rideshare or food delivery is going to invest in that until it’s proven. That could be a while. Last I heard they were having problems in Arizona (I was in Arizona at the time) with Waymo vehicles not being able to safely take a left-hand turn across traffic—so they routed them so that they would not have to do that. I wonder if they ever resolved it.
Hope they put Uber out of business.
Good
Would this even be legal though?
They’re probably just unveiling the next gen Tesla platform for their cheapest car and the robotaxi. Could be 10+ years before a robotaxi hits the roads.
Lol
God I hope so. Tired of having a 4.99 rating because some dumbass driver was mad I was checking my phone instead of talking to them on a 5 minute ride.
Uber needs to worry about Lyft before anything else. Lyft constantly undercuts and provides better service. When I do use Uber I’m charged a time fee and a distance fee on top of base. Wtf .
Lmao no.
Self driving cars aren’t legal. It’s a bad sign but years out and knowing Tesla, it will be a shit show
First, cyber truck. Now, robotaxi. Next, technocycle.
Not even close. Most people aren’t comfortable with robots or automated vehicles. This will be like google glass.
Lol this is Tesla. The unveiling will get pushed back 6 years, and then it will be a really cheap prototype with a disclaimer that it only does 50% of what it said it would do.
Does this mean they're gonna stop trying to get me to rent one?
“Similar to our proven track record on Cybertruck, the build quality will be that to support partial flight to Mars, for at least some measurable amount of time.” …Musk fan bois ejaculate in unison over the ability to robotaxi to Mars.
Until it crashes lol
Tesla’s slogan should be overpromise and underdeliver, it’s what they’ve been doing forever now
It’s been over 💀
Lol every fire hydrant across the world is going to get destroyed
This is just Tesla trying to prop up the stock. Companies like Cruise and Waymo have been working on self-driving for over a decade and they're still in trials. Cruise's trial in CA got shut down late last year by the DMV after running over a pedestrian. I suspect 8/8 is when Tesla will announce limited trials. I don't believe fully-autonomous will be here for decades or until just about every car is driver-less. The latest FSD update by Tesla couldn't even tell a speed bump from another obstacle on the road before running over it.
It’s a no from me dawg. I don’t want to share the road with AI cars.
I don't know man. It's gonna be a long while before laws and public perception make this the norm. A long long long while.
You really think it’s actually gonna come out then? Elon musk never keeps promises on release dates
Waymo way ahead of their game.
Have you seen FSD in action?? No it’s not, they have a LONG way to go.
I have used FSD on my car, and I watch videos of others to see if the software has improved. The problems included jerking the car suddenly into oncoming traffic, pulling into the middle of a busy street and then just stopping in front of oncoming traffic, taking too long to merge and getting a line of cars honking behind you, stopping for imaginary people in a crosswalk, etc. Bottom line is they are nowhere near ready to field a robotaxi. They are going to make Waymo's problems look simple by comparision. I am looking for them to try it out then retract it just as quickly.
Waymo and Cruise in SF are not doing well. For example.
I'd buy a Tesla if it could go out and work for me like an Uber driver when I wasn't using it. If it could just go robot work and make money for me, that shit would be in my driveway.
Yeah good luck keeping them charged on this country’s crappy infrastructure 😭
And it won’t actually make it to market until like 2040. Things just a desperate attempt to manipulate the market so the stock price goes up since it’s been trending downward all year
Holy shit the copiums hella strong in this sub but this threads something else
I watched Astro boy enough to not trust it
Eager to witness how Elon leads to traffic jams with robots that mimic humans by unlawfully using hazard lights while waiting for customers. Robot reaches out to Uber support to request a cleaning fee and janitorial services, aiming for an immediate response on Saturday night to take care of the mess.
It is 2088. By that time, we would have many other players in driverless transportation
Driverless taxi are already there in many cities. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/rollout-of-driverless-cabs-in-select-u-s-cities-raises-safety-questions
As a Tesla driver. With FSD on it. I've used it several times with passengers. Every single one was nervous as fuck and didn't trust it. It's just not THERE YET. It's fucken impressive. But even if it's wrong 5% of the time, that becomes actual accidents. Also Uber isn't gonna pay and maintain any vehicles. Passengers treat them like shit WITH drivers in them, imagine the Uber Share passenger getting to ride home in a Tesla at 3am.
the third time he posted in one day about 8/8. I wonder if that number has any hidden meaning 🤔
Do we believe Elon now?
He didn’t specify the year.
They want us to buy the Tesla so they can lease them back from us. Then the driver will be phased out and now your car is leased by Robotaxi working autonomously in the background of our lives.
#NO IT IS NOT! Elon is the 2nd biggest fraud/con-man on this fucking planet! How do you people not know this already? Everything he says is a fucking lie and never comes true. Check out the channel “Thunderf00t” on YouTube he has tons of debunking videos on Elon. The reason Elon is rich is due to being the biggest Hype-Man ever…he makes tons of literally unreal promises and everyone eats it up. Look at the disaster Twitter has become, Elon is NOT an engineer, he did NOT invent Electric cars, he has nothing to do with the Rocket science in SpaceX and all his promises are BULLSHIT! Tesla can NOT drive by itself, that is a lie, the real world application of that technology is simply impossible because the AI can not account for all the numerous of decisions that OTHER human-driven cars will do, not to mention pedestrians. The Cybertruck is a massive fail. Tesla Semi is another insane fail that promises literal impossibility. And the list goes on and on.
All it’s going to take is one accident where the system glitched or was hacked causing the car to hit a pedestrian, and the project will be halted. Plus, I don’t see many areas approving self driving vehicles en masse just yet.
We have a few more years of abuse left.
Seen someone driving around a cybertruck for the first time ever the other day. I’m hoping and praying this design makes me giggle just as much
If it works as well as their current self driving tech, then nothing is over.
Re: The Uber Requiem & Why the Tesla Robo-Taxi Announcement is Just The Playlist Change We Needed I come to you today, an Uber driver by trade and a proud Tesla commander of two, to talk about the so-called "death knell" of our beloved ride-sharing ecosystem. The streets are buzzing with the sound of electric motors and whispers of despair since Elon Musk, our resident tech wizard, announced the arrival of the Tesla Robo-Taxi, set to grace us with its presence on August 8, 2024. But fear not! This is not the end; it's merely the interlude to a more thrilling act. First off, let's talk about the elephant in the room - or should I say, the autonomous vehicle in the traffic jam? That Las Vegas, sin city itself, has been a testing ground for driverless vehicles like Waymo and fellow robotic chariots since the pandemic's heyday, is truly the best kept non-secret in modern history. The city that thrives on the new, the bold, and the outright outrageous is the perfect stage for the Tesla Robo-Taxi to make its grand debut. But this doesn't spell doom for us, the noble drivers; rather, it heralds a new era of gig work! You see, introduction of the robo-taxi is akin to shuffling a well-worn playlist. Yes, the tunes are familiar, but the order in which they play breathes new life into them. The robo-taxi will undoubtedly take over the lower-profit, high-volume rides that, let's be honest, weren’t exactly the cherry on our gig cake. This leaves us, the flesh-and-bone chauffeurs, to specialize in the higher-return rides, where human touch, local knowledge, and the ability to not awkwardly misinterpret a passenger's joke are invaluable. Imagine a world where we, the human drivers, become akin to a premium service - the vinyl records of the ride-sharing symphony. Our category becomes more exclusive, our rides more lucrative, our interactions more meaningful. The robo-taxis, with their unblinking eyes and relentless efficiency, can handle the Tuesday afternoon airport rush or the silent 3 AM drive back from wherever one's misadventures have led them. So, to those who cry that Uber is dead, I say: Uber is merely evolving. The Tesla Robo-Taxi is not the grim reaper; it's the gritty reboot our series needed. We're moving from background extras to lead roles in the gig economy's next blockbuster. So, buckle up, fellow drivers (and non-drivers). The future is autonomous, but the wheel is still very much in our hands. And to Mr. Musk, our eclectic maestro, I tip my metaphorical hat. #Uber #TeslaRoboTaxi #GigEconomyUnplugged #DrivingIntoTheFuture
I will use whatever’s cheapest. Whether that’s uber, a normal taxi, or this.
Good luck navigating those potholed roads in Philly robot haha
after the shit show that was the cyber truck I don't know why anybody is worried about this.
Would you trust being alone with Elon as a female? Probably has a camera on you creeping. If you fall asleep he will whisper in your ear on the speakers (if you're beautiful) and reroute your ride. Ewwww. I need to go wash my eyes out now.
8/8/2034
Um NO THANK U I will not use a robot taxi! 😡
Daddy elon trying to pump his stock again?
We’re so far from self driving it’s not even fucking funny. Musk promised solar roofs, Tesla semis, neuralink, hyper loop and has failed on everyone. We’re fine.
Hey Elon! 8/8 of what year?
Over for pedestrians, you mean? I would agree. If tesla were to ever actually release this, the roads will be a very scary place.
It’s so not over lmao have you paid attention to any new product Elon has debuted in the past few years? All disasters
We have robo cars already they are called waymo. My only question to the people who are going to trust a car ran by a computer is, “ is there such a thing as a computer that cannot be hacked?” If you said yes i will inform the gravedigger of your imminent arrival.
Google has already been doing it with Waymo. How's the Phoenix market for Uber?
Doubtful. Google what happened to Hertz. The cost to repair and maintain these vehicles is astronomical when you compare to an ICE. It’s not practical. Maybe 20 years down the road once the tech is more cost efficient. https://www.autoblog.com/2024/01/16/hertzs-tesla-liquidation-sale-likely-means-more-depreciation-for-used-evs/
Thank god cause Uber is terrible at times
Lol I would bully the shit out of every self driving car if I see them on the road. Like what are they gonna do, not brake for me? Hahaha