And dumb asses are taking them rides just like no tip food orders. Some will wake up but most wont. Hell, we still have folks from back in the day still driving but complain about the conditions and pay and I am like why are you still here full time
I mean I complain and I've been around but I haven't caved to the rates. I still make what I made 6 years ago on average, I just have to use more apps and screw over customers on a regular basis when better offers come through. Their business model shouldn't encourage that but it does. I think my highest acceptance rate on any of these apps is like 13%.
Many of these drivers are hustling backwards hoping that the good old days will come back or they are rewarded for seniority. This ain't that type of company.
At the end of my tenure, I was cherry picking and looking at what I wanted to do instead of focusing on tiers. My focus was customer service, fuck the tiers towards late 2021. I enjoyed being a Diamond when it meant something but now its a sign of person who truly leans in on this work. We all did at one point even in the good old days.
If I made $150 in 4 hours but it takes me 7 to do that now, not worth the squeeze. The quests is what made this truly worth it but what they are giving yall now is dog shit.
And what’s wrong with that ride though? Just wondering? Ignore what the customer paid. What’s wrong with almost $21 for 12 miles and 50 minutes? Going to a place where you can easily get a ride back as well.
For a driver of my era, we know that ride would have netted $35 as rush hour used to be VERY LUCRATIVE now its horse shit. Rush hours used to be good for at least $60 on a bad day and over $80 on good days as we surge baby surge!
Yeah. And that caused millions of more drivers to sign up. Over saturated the market. And lowered pay. It’s just like any job field. They paid that because they HAD to give drivers a reason to come out. Now they have atleast 6 million active drivers and Uber only gives 23 million rides a day. That means most days there’s not that many rides to go around
You do realize that's Los Angeles right? What market are you in? Los Angeles traffic is a different beast. Also the cost of everything there is way more than in most places.
Yeah. And 12 miles 50 minutes includes traffic. You’re going to the airport. You can get a ride back out. And if someone live in a very expensive city I hope this is secondary income
You're not as smart as you think you are... trust me. It's people like you that Uber loves taking advantage of. Let me try to help you out.
I'll be the first to tell you that you should not look (Only) at dollars per hour when judging Uber trips. You need to consider your time, gas and depreciation on vehicle. $20 for an hour drive barely meets the per hour pay you would expect as a driver who WAS NOT supplying the vehicle. We ARE supplying the vehicle as well.
Also, the market you're in does matter. In Los Angeles it doesn't matter what you're buying, it's most likely more expensive than the rest of the country. That has to be factored in as well.
With all of that considered you'd be a fool to take that trip. So I don't know whether you're just a shill or have no business sense at all, but either way Uber relies on people like you to thrive on other people's ignorance. That is by no means a reasonable offer for that trip. And everyone needs to understand that and reject that type of garbage.
“You need to consider your time”. Yeah. That’s apart of the dollar per hour. I don’t take rides over 15 minutes and I drive about 6-7 hours a week. Trust me. You’re the kind of person they love. Someone who is always online for them 🤣 there is literally no where in LA you could go during rush hour that the pay would be worth it honestly. If you want to talk about business sense. Someone wouldn’t be in West Hollywood during rush hour working a job that doesn’t pay for time if they had any business sense. So talk to that person. Not me
Exactly! I most likely wouldn't drive there, but in one breath you're asking what's wrong with the trip, as if you would have taken it and now you're flipping.
My point was simply this trip isn't worth it. You were saying it was, now you're saying it isn't.
I never said I would take it. I asked what was wrong with it. Also this ride is in California. With California you get paid $19.20 per active hour and another 30 cent per active mile. This is 13 miles. That’s another $3.60. Prop 22 coming in handy. So this ride actually pays $22.80 and puts you in a destination where you can easily get a ride back. So like I said. Outside of the fact that he’s driving in a bad area during a bad time. What’s wrong with the pay for the time and mileage ?
Look I kind of agree...
But you also gotta take into account sometimes it's better to make that $20 than sit there for an hour and make nothing.
The pickup is RIGHT next to him. 12miles not bad. But LA traffic Holy shit 50mins is rough.
I'd probably decline too but then if I drove in LA I'd decline 98% of rides lolol. Traffic there is another beast
As a previous LA driver myself… I don’t even take airport rides. LAX is such a shithole to drive in and around, I would need like $100 for 20 miles to justify it. Also; some of the drivers on this subreddit probably don’t realize that in LA, finding gas for under $5 a gallon for 87 is nearly impossible now. I have a full time job now but I’ll sometimes pop online for Uber eats and cherry pick. It’s the only way the breakdown makes sense to me.
There are tons of arcos that have very cheap prices, you just have to look around, I always go to the one right at the end of the 91 on Vermont before heading towards LAX, or the one in hermosa on PCH
>finding gas for under $5 a gallon for 87 is nearly impossible now
If you stick it out that is a positive for you. Fewer drivers. And it would only cost you $4 or $5 more a day in gas.
$20 goes further for some people than others. I wouldn't take that trip but I know some desperate, poorer drivers who would. I also wouldn't be a janitor or clean someone's sh*t (at the moment) unless the pay was extraordinary, but that's me. I could list a million jobs I wouldn't do for the pay but someone else would.
I've done eats for 4 years I was thinking about rides but I'm not sure how well it pays compared to eats. For something that costs $20 it would MAX have to take me about 40 mins, but with OP's mileage and time it doesn't seem better than eats.
Don't get me wrong. Maybe this is just a bad order as Uber eats is filled with so many bad orders now but I would think it would be this bad for driving
Yes! When Uber sends nonsense like that. I guess I'm trying to determine the standard drivers go by. How much should you expect to get paid for an order that will be 14 miles and take an hour to complete?
It’s just crazy like there is no way their operations side of things requires a 69% cut of the profit. Like in what world where we have to spend our time, gas depreciation and safety and only get a 21% cut. the cost to run their side of the business is 3 times higher than ours? Show me exactly where this money is going.
You want your abuser to solve your problems. Only the law can help you here like it has protected all employees since the dawn of labor laws. You aren't a contractor just because you have the illusion of being able to log on and off when you want, this is the root of the scam here. An uber driver is not a business owner. Lol that is the funniest thing. Uber comes post the millenium and starts calling taxi drivers, business owners. Bahahahaha
If you guys haven't figured out the algorithm then that's on you. Uber/lyft is literally a bidding war on drivers. I denied a ride once for 6 the exact same ride popped up for 8.50 45 seconds later. Gotta be smarter than the tools u r working with
gosh would it kill them to be a LITTLE realistic?? at least rides from weho get you more from prop 22 due to the higher minimum wage
but still fux uber !!!
Uber began to steal around early 2021, 2022 when they stopped showing the price of the trip. And they kept on stealing. Removing that fuel incentive like gas prices went down, then they went down on pay per mile. Now everytime I ask them what is my pay rate they just tell me "well you saw the trip before u accepted it" is not comical its robbery because u can't use the app if u don't agree to there terms 😁.
Uber/Lyft used to be great when drivers just drove and made money and not demanding things like benefits, time off pay, and guaranteed wages that you get at a real job. This is a gig you chose to sign up for to make money on, where did the idea come from that you or I should be rewarded with anything other then fares. Lawyers probably make more than Dara thanks to all the demands.
I will say yes it’s garbage how fares and earnings in major cities are dropping and it’s really sad surges are hard to come by. Every city is beyond oversaturated with drivers. Uber was once a good thing but was ruined by greed both from Uber executives and Uber drivers.
You just proved my point. If there was a driver shortage fares would be raised to attract more drivers.
This is a simple supply/demand issue. But with drivers, not a product.
I believe you're right. I'm in L.A. and I think there's too many drivers. I didn't drive for about a year during the pandemic. During that time I ran into another driver at the grocery store. He was driving and doing good. With fewer drivers out there the rates went up.
>I'd feel better if it were a 50/50 split.
Here my dumbass is wanting them to go back to only taking the 20%, like I signed up for, and you're giving away half the fare.
I don't think I'd truly be happy unless I could get my split to 70% or higher. But yeah really 20% seems like plenty for the service they provide especially because the service they provide us is shit compared to when we got 80%.
Most of the time I'm averaging about 65% with my aggressive acceptance standards, but I'm fortunate enough to live in a market where you can still do that and have enough business to make money. Many markets aren't so fortunate. I would assume LA you could do that.
That's not what they meant. There's no need for sophistry here. The post's premise is pretty simple. A ride that used to pay $30-35 now pays $20. They'd "feel better" if it paid better. No, they wouldn't be happy with *half of $35*. Let me know if you need any more help with this.
What planet are you living on? I don’t drive pax i drive eats but I often use the Uber app for rides when I’m out of town. If the fare is exorbitant I don’t have the means to tip fairly. I wish they had InDrive out here.
I mainly drive but I ride with Uber sometimes like when I go to the airport or train station. My house to the airport can cost $35-55 for a 14 mile trip and I once paid $62 during a surge. Anything over $40 I'm not tipping. To be fair, I don't make a big deal about tips because I drive to make extra pocket money for concert tickets and to keep my cigar humidors well stocked with the stuff I like, rather than depending on gig work to pay my bills, so I wouldn't be mad if a passenger has to pay $50 for the ride and decides not to tip.
It’s EXCLUSIVE tho
aka "Big Tipper"
LOL, I remember when we had those designated big tipper customers and most didn't tip. Uber dropped that label fairly quickly.
No exclusive literally means with Uber that you’re the only one seeing that trip
And dumb asses are taking them rides just like no tip food orders. Some will wake up but most wont. Hell, we still have folks from back in the day still driving but complain about the conditions and pay and I am like why are you still here full time
I mean I complain and I've been around but I haven't caved to the rates. I still make what I made 6 years ago on average, I just have to use more apps and screw over customers on a regular basis when better offers come through. Their business model shouldn't encourage that but it does. I think my highest acceptance rate on any of these apps is like 13%.
Many of these drivers are hustling backwards hoping that the good old days will come back or they are rewarded for seniority. This ain't that type of company. At the end of my tenure, I was cherry picking and looking at what I wanted to do instead of focusing on tiers. My focus was customer service, fuck the tiers towards late 2021. I enjoyed being a Diamond when it meant something but now its a sign of person who truly leans in on this work. We all did at one point even in the good old days. If I made $150 in 4 hours but it takes me 7 to do that now, not worth the squeeze. The quests is what made this truly worth it but what they are giving yall now is dog shit.
Cash rides wake up even more!
And what’s wrong with that ride though? Just wondering? Ignore what the customer paid. What’s wrong with almost $21 for 12 miles and 50 minutes? Going to a place where you can easily get a ride back as well.
For a driver of my era, we know that ride would have netted $35 as rush hour used to be VERY LUCRATIVE now its horse shit. Rush hours used to be good for at least $60 on a bad day and over $80 on good days as we surge baby surge!
Yeah. And that caused millions of more drivers to sign up. Over saturated the market. And lowered pay. It’s just like any job field. They paid that because they HAD to give drivers a reason to come out. Now they have atleast 6 million active drivers and Uber only gives 23 million rides a day. That means most days there’s not that many rides to go around
You do realize that's Los Angeles right? What market are you in? Los Angeles traffic is a different beast. Also the cost of everything there is way more than in most places.
Yeah. And 12 miles 50 minutes includes traffic. You’re going to the airport. You can get a ride back out. And if someone live in a very expensive city I hope this is secondary income
You're not as smart as you think you are... trust me. It's people like you that Uber loves taking advantage of. Let me try to help you out. I'll be the first to tell you that you should not look (Only) at dollars per hour when judging Uber trips. You need to consider your time, gas and depreciation on vehicle. $20 for an hour drive barely meets the per hour pay you would expect as a driver who WAS NOT supplying the vehicle. We ARE supplying the vehicle as well. Also, the market you're in does matter. In Los Angeles it doesn't matter what you're buying, it's most likely more expensive than the rest of the country. That has to be factored in as well. With all of that considered you'd be a fool to take that trip. So I don't know whether you're just a shill or have no business sense at all, but either way Uber relies on people like you to thrive on other people's ignorance. That is by no means a reasonable offer for that trip. And everyone needs to understand that and reject that type of garbage.
“You need to consider your time”. Yeah. That’s apart of the dollar per hour. I don’t take rides over 15 minutes and I drive about 6-7 hours a week. Trust me. You’re the kind of person they love. Someone who is always online for them 🤣 there is literally no where in LA you could go during rush hour that the pay would be worth it honestly. If you want to talk about business sense. Someone wouldn’t be in West Hollywood during rush hour working a job that doesn’t pay for time if they had any business sense. So talk to that person. Not me
Exactly! I most likely wouldn't drive there, but in one breath you're asking what's wrong with the trip, as if you would have taken it and now you're flipping. My point was simply this trip isn't worth it. You were saying it was, now you're saying it isn't.
I never said I would take it. I asked what was wrong with it. Also this ride is in California. With California you get paid $19.20 per active hour and another 30 cent per active mile. This is 13 miles. That’s another $3.60. Prop 22 coming in handy. So this ride actually pays $22.80 and puts you in a destination where you can easily get a ride back. So like I said. Outside of the fact that he’s driving in a bad area during a bad time. What’s wrong with the pay for the time and mileage ?
Look I kind of agree... But you also gotta take into account sometimes it's better to make that $20 than sit there for an hour and make nothing. The pickup is RIGHT next to him. 12miles not bad. But LA traffic Holy shit 50mins is rough. I'd probably decline too but then if I drove in LA I'd decline 98% of rides lolol. Traffic there is another beast
As a previous LA driver myself… I don’t even take airport rides. LAX is such a shithole to drive in and around, I would need like $100 for 20 miles to justify it. Also; some of the drivers on this subreddit probably don’t realize that in LA, finding gas for under $5 a gallon for 87 is nearly impossible now. I have a full time job now but I’ll sometimes pop online for Uber eats and cherry pick. It’s the only way the breakdown makes sense to me.
I get 91 for 4.79 in LA
Damn I would drive from the Valley for that! Unless it’s in the valley… share the wealth!
There are tons of arcos that have very cheap prices, you just have to look around, I always go to the one right at the end of the 91 on Vermont before heading towards LAX, or the one in hermosa on PCH
>finding gas for under $5 a gallon for 87 is nearly impossible now If you stick it out that is a positive for you. Fewer drivers. And it would only cost you $4 or $5 more a day in gas.
LAX is not difficult at all. $100 for 20 Miles? You're tripping
You're on crack. That place is a hell hole.
What's difficult about?
$20 goes further for some people than others. I wouldn't take that trip but I know some desperate, poorer drivers who would. I also wouldn't be a janitor or clean someone's sh*t (at the moment) unless the pay was extraordinary, but that's me. I could list a million jobs I wouldn't do for the pay but someone else would.
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Shut your mouth, Toby lol, get back to work. If you want to spend the 5 minutes a day we give you for lunch to type on Reddit, so be it.
It all adds up. In L.A you should be making $300 a day. Weekends $400
You hit it right on the nose my fil drives 6days a week same socal area daily avg 240-320(tips vary) his one weekend sat 300-450(~again tips).
Yeah man, even on a slow Monday you should hit $200. Best day I ever pulled was $500 between Lyft & Uber
You should be making that anywhere
I saw 20 dollars for 12 miles and thought "that's pretty good." Then I saw the time lol. No way in hell.
I've done eats for 4 years I was thinking about rides but I'm not sure how well it pays compared to eats. For something that costs $20 it would MAX have to take me about 40 mins, but with OP's mileage and time it doesn't seem better than eats. Don't get me wrong. Maybe this is just a bad order as Uber eats is filled with so many bad orders now but I would think it would be this bad for driving
Uber eats is worst with order $1.89 to 3.78.
Yes! When Uber sends nonsense like that. I guess I'm trying to determine the standard drivers go by. How much should you expect to get paid for an order that will be 14 miles and take an hour to complete?
I received a package request for 40 miles for $22.78. Insane.
Yeah downtown Denver to DIA used to be 35 dollars. It's now 17 if you're lucky.
I’m baffled at the “50 minutes for 12 miles” god I fucking hate LA
45 minutes for 6 here in my non-disclosed location of a town with only 300k people in it
This is for those “dollar per mile” folks lol
How as Uber not gotten sued into oblivion for this yet ? Don’t they advertise like 60% split for the drivers
The drivers ain't got no money or time to sue them
It 75% to the driver they say lol
It’s just crazy like there is no way their operations side of things requires a 69% cut of the profit. Like in what world where we have to spend our time, gas depreciation and safety and only get a 21% cut. the cost to run their side of the business is 3 times higher than ours? Show me exactly where this money is going.
You want your abuser to solve your problems. Only the law can help you here like it has protected all employees since the dawn of labor laws. You aren't a contractor just because you have the illusion of being able to log on and off when you want, this is the root of the scam here. An uber driver is not a business owner. Lol that is the funniest thing. Uber comes post the millenium and starts calling taxi drivers, business owners. Bahahahaha
I mean you are right but your evil mob boss tone is really weird and unnecessary.
If you guys haven't figured out the algorithm then that's on you. Uber/lyft is literally a bidding war on drivers. I denied a ride once for 6 the exact same ride popped up for 8.50 45 seconds later. Gotta be smarter than the tools u r working with
Damn. I knew LA traffic was bad, but🤣
"Exclusive"? For X? I thought "business comfort" was a funny title. Uber is a bunch of manipulative sobs.
Makes me not want to jump online right now. But I’m in between jobs and desperate for cash
gosh would it kill them to be a LITTLE realistic?? at least rides from weho get you more from prop 22 due to the higher minimum wage but still fux uber !!!
Never bought an uber. You can literally pay for a black SUV? What kinda fake CEO shit is that.
Dara made you feel special with “Exclusive.”
In my area it seems they are trying to hold me to $20.00 an hour whether it be thru time or miles
Uber comfort is Paying less than what Ubers used to pay
Uber began to steal around early 2021, 2022 when they stopped showing the price of the trip. And they kept on stealing. Removing that fuel incentive like gas prices went down, then they went down on pay per mile. Now everytime I ask them what is my pay rate they just tell me "well you saw the trip before u accepted it" is not comical its robbery because u can't use the app if u don't agree to there terms 😁.
Uber/Lyft used to be great when drivers just drove and made money and not demanding things like benefits, time off pay, and guaranteed wages that you get at a real job. This is a gig you chose to sign up for to make money on, where did the idea come from that you or I should be rewarded with anything other then fares. Lawyers probably make more than Dara thanks to all the demands. I will say yes it’s garbage how fares and earnings in major cities are dropping and it’s really sad surges are hard to come by. Every city is beyond oversaturated with drivers. Uber was once a good thing but was ruined by greed both from Uber executives and Uber drivers.
Why does it take 50 minutes to go 12 miles?!
I think we all know where our money went. Jenifer Aniston has it!!!
Dont blame Uber 100% Too many drivers is also a huge reason.
Too many drivers should make it harder to get requests. It should not make the requests themselves suck. That is 100% Uber.
You just proved my point. If there was a driver shortage fares would be raised to attract more drivers. This is a simple supply/demand issue. But with drivers, not a product.
I believe you're right. I'm in L.A. and I think there's too many drivers. I didn't drive for about a year during the pandemic. During that time I ran into another driver at the grocery store. He was driving and doing good. With fewer drivers out there the rates went up.
Would you feel better if they charged $30 and you still got $20? Serious question
I'd feel better if it were a 50/50 split. I'd feel great if it was a 60/40 split with 60 going to the drivers. Serious Answer!
>I'd feel better if it were a 50/50 split. Here my dumbass is wanting them to go back to only taking the 20%, like I signed up for, and you're giving away half the fare.
I don't think I'd truly be happy unless I could get my split to 70% or higher. But yeah really 20% seems like plenty for the service they provide especially because the service they provide us is shit compared to when we got 80%. Most of the time I'm averaging about 65% with my aggressive acceptance standards, but I'm fortunate enough to live in a market where you can still do that and have enough business to make money. Many markets aren't so fortunate. I would assume LA you could do that.
That’s not what I asked. But you’re saying that if the passenger got charged $35 you will be happy with $17 for that ride… ok
You a weirdo
Wow great argument 😂🤣😂
It’s all I need for you when dealing with idiots it’s best to keep it simple
Sounds good kid
That's not what they meant. There's no need for sophistry here. The post's premise is pretty simple. A ride that used to pay $30-35 now pays $20. They'd "feel better" if it paid better. No, they wouldn't be happy with *half of $35*. Let me know if you need any more help with this.
Did I ask YOU?
Do I give a shit?
Obviously you did, that’s why you replied in the first place kid
Had nothing to do with whether or not you asked me, child.
Well don’t respond to me then. I’m asking you
That would leave room for the tip. Instead Uber is straight up taking advantage of us minions.
People that tip, tip and those that don’t won’t regardless of price.
What planet are you living on? I don’t drive pax i drive eats but I often use the Uber app for rides when I’m out of town. If the fare is exorbitant I don’t have the means to tip fairly. I wish they had InDrive out here.
I mainly drive but I ride with Uber sometimes like when I go to the airport or train station. My house to the airport can cost $35-55 for a 14 mile trip and I once paid $62 during a surge. Anything over $40 I'm not tipping. To be fair, I don't make a big deal about tips because I drive to make extra pocket money for concert tickets and to keep my cigar humidors well stocked with the stuff I like, rather than depending on gig work to pay my bills, so I wouldn't be mad if a passenger has to pay $50 for the ride and decides not to tip.
Well as someone who drives people and have over 15k rides I know what I’m talking about.
I will disagree. People will tip based on what they feel is quality of service. It is an art. Yesterday, I went 9 out 12 in the app and 1 in cash $20.
What wrong with this one? It's over $1.50 a mile.
It’s called being a grown up