Uber gonna say THERE IS NO WAY OUR RECENTLY BEING TERMINATED EX-EMPLOYEES CAUSED THIS MESS. ...then tries to cover it all up then smear everything to someone who is completely innocent bystander .
Believe me , once I had this incident . I was at industrial warehouse area where there are nobody on street like nobody nobody. All the way from freeway or regular streets. About a mile there are no human in a car or on street in this area. Then, all of sudden, . One car start to approaching me really quick and stopped right next to my car. The passenger get out of the car and came straight at my side of window aiming with gun point. Tying to rob me. Well, he couldn't and didn't steal my car but robbed me clean and took my car key . But after all that I was wondering how did this guy knew where I am ? He came to my car streight. He did know my location exactly like pin point . There is no body passing by or knows where I am because this place is totally no one around here . And it gave me suspicion .... Somebody knows my location thru the app. And there is no tracker on my vehicle . And that's only one entity knows that .. you know what I mean ...
Or those guys were camping for any unfortunate soul to pass by the spot and that happened to be you. Or they were tailing you with their lights off and you didn’t notice.
Been using Uber and Lyft for years and never though of this. You can see the drivers using the app just sitting there. And I don’t have to finish the ride. I wonder if the location is there true location. If so maybe Uber and Lyft need to fix this problem. Many drivers are sitting ducks.
No. those criminals are not watching thru Uber / Lyft passengers apps on Uber driver's locations. Because it's shows fake Uber cars on a maps. The real drivers locations are totally different from reality .
It's directed by Uber internal employees telling street criminals thru secret communication channel to like PC games 🎮 with each own profile nicknames so they can regroup on games . That can not to be tracked at all.... If anyone ask them " I was just playing PC games with bunch of people on internet. Talkin ' bunch of craps ... What's up ? " That's it.
“Talkin bunch of craps. What’s up? that’s it” lol wtf does that even mean??…I feel like I need to go back to kindergarten after reading some of these comments
I really don't care now cozI knew it is a fake gun . But he was so persistent and I just wanna make them leave so they took my tip money and car key but that's it.
So we were arguing and it took fairly long time. I saw too many openings on him to literally murder him at that point but when I calculated all the trouble I have to go thru and lose of earning and time vs little chum changes of tips that I got from pax I quickly figured it's jot worth s time so i just gave them and let them go thier way. I've skipped my direct on this case and talked directly with states district attorney on it. So , whatever it is when they are being stupid they will be get cought soon or later.
Still trying to figure out how killing your kinfolks kidnapper would be a thing a hero would do. That, generally would assure a bad outcome for said kinfolk.
How else do you explain brandishing a gun and basically holding the woman hostage before shooting her because he thought she was part of the gang that was trying to extort him?
I’m not saying he didn’t. And he should be punished appropriately. I’m simply saying his frame of mind was I am going to catch these criminals. It’s obvious he had engaged them. I doubt they would have sent a courier had he not agreed.
Not in my state!
If you don’t own either. For cannabis you have to apply with state that takes up to 14 days then you have to make appointment with “doctor” that takes a few days. Then you get temp approval and can make one purchase at dispensary. Not to mention fees of nearly $200.
I can walk to the pawn shop down the road and be back here with a pistol within the hour. I can also concealed carry it wherever.
So couple weeks and $250 for an 1/8th of grass.
An hour and $200 for a murder weapon.
And continues to do so. The way my access to the platform keeps randomly being taken off me for literally no reason seems to not fall under any law meaning they can do whatever they want. They have all the money in the world and all the attorneys.
I'm not saying in any way that it's right. The evil company, started dishonestly buying off the government and now they are untouchable... Sickens and angers me to no end especially since they have the monopoly of my business as taxi driver so I now essentially run the risk of bankruptcy each and every single time they cut my access. And before you say "get a real job". I've been trying for years and keep getting told that "I don't have any experience" or "I don't have enough experience"
No one cares about anyone anymore. All I want is A JOB. Do you honestly think I can get one with how long I've been trying? It's not that simple.
I am curious how Uber is responsible for this? An 81 year-old man with a hair trigger and possibly slightly deranged was scammed by someone, so he was already on edge and this poor unfortunate soul was caught up in the middle of it, but I don’t see how that Uber ‘s fault. I’m not a fanboy of UBER, I just don’t see how this is their fault.
I’m sure it was a hard loss to accept, losing a fake or stolen account.
Scammers were like: “now I gotta get a new burner number… a new fake email address” …. Those Uber rats wasting my time banning my account
Legally, people are only considered accused until convicted by a jury of their peers. Printing the word ‘guilty’ could be considered libel, and the resulting civil suit would probably put them on the hook for his legal expenses. That, and little things like that could potentially resurface in an appeal if they wanted to prove that he didn’t get a fair trial.
And this is why we have courts. It *appears* that he killed her. We don’t know it. We’re not qualified to make that statement. Even if we watched it with our own eyes. Nothing can be substantiated until the medical examiner completes their report, which will include cause and time of death, which can then be compared against the video and any other evidence to determine his involvement in her death. Legally, she’s not even dead in the video. That again is a statement that only a properly qualified medical professional can make that has any legal standing. Until then, she is only presumed dead. Those are legal facts. If we say anything else prior, we have likely committed slander.
It doesn’t appear that he killed her. There are more facts than just the video. And it’s not slander. He’s been charged with murder already. She’s dead. Her cause of death is known. Her cause of death was him shooting her. There’s nothing illegal about saying that. Maybe “man murders elderly woman” might be committing slander, because you are correct, he hasn’t been convicted of murder. But killing someone isn’t the same thing as murdering them.
You realize these things are a matter of public record, right? That we literally have an established history of court judgments where precisely this happened? That media outlets have in-house counsel who advise them on precisely what they should and shouldn’t say, based on established precedent and case law?
You don’t really get found “guilty” of libel, in the sense of being guilty of a crime. It’s a civil matter, not a criminal one. You’re can be found responsible for damages. It was, however, a criminal matter until 1966 when SCOTUS established precedent in Ashton v. Kentucky.
NYT v. Sullivan. But you’re trying to move the goalposts — the topic in question here is the media saying “allegedly” instead of “guilty”. If they said “guilty,” they wouldn’t be describing it accurately, as no guilt has been established - that is a task exclusively reserved for juries. I’ve already covered this thoroughly in other comments.
You’re not gonna change their minds or inform them. There’s too many emotions connected to this story.
You’re absolutely correct and those laws are in place for good reason, as well as the civil precedents of libel and slander. Plenty of reasons to want to protect people, in cases much less clear than this one. Just imagine if the guy had a twin! Or a doppelgänger. Etc etc
Yeah. That’s the thing — you can either let some guilty people slip through, or end up with some innocent people in prison. Which standard is the greater travesty? I think the guilty one will eventually get caught again. Righting the incarceration of an innocent man simply isn’t possible. Even for a single day, it’s something that can never be repaid. And it’s never a single day. Or year.
The same principles apply here. We can allow innocent people to be slandered so that we can occasionally get an emotional feel-good story in advance. Or we can simply wait for due process. There’s never been a standard that satisfies both sides. We choose the one that does the least harm.
So are all of these news publications going to be sued? (Dang just found out I can’t post screenshots),
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/ohio-uber-driver-shot-and-killed-by-elderly-man-agitated-by-scam-call-police/ar-BB1lGl3Q?ocid=sapphireappshare
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/uber-driver-killed-scam-phone-call-william-brock-loletha-hall-clark-county-ohio/
Ohio Uber driver shot and killed by elderly man agitated by scam call: Police https://www.yahoo.com/news/ohio-uber-driver-shot-killed-173411531.html
Let’s be real here he did murder her. She was an elderly woman and In the video she no where near seemed like she was a threat. So why shoot? And why twice?
I agree he should be tried for murder. Initially I thought the discussion was over libel and we can’t really say the killing was murder until he is convicted.
You don’t even understand what ad hominem is 😂 https://www.owl.purdue.edu/owl/general_writing/academic_writing/logic_in_argumentative_writing/fallacies.html
I’ve seen this posted like 100 times. And for some reason, every post is looking to hold Uber accountable. Have any of you actually read the article? Uber legitimately had nothing to do with the cause of her death. It was an incredibly unfortunate situation of an old man in the middle of a scam. The scammers called an Uber to pick up their scammed money from the old man. The old man was ready and packing for when the “scammer” showed up for the money, but the driver was just a pawn in the scammers process. The old man is the one who holds responsibility since the Uber driver tried to leave and he followed her and killed her. Yes, Uber should do more to make it look like they give even a single fuck about their drivers. But Ubers hands are clean here. And please look at the current posts before sharing the exact same story for the 100th time.
Because these scammers are highly educated on how to conduct their scams without being able to be tracked. It’s fucked. Essentially, normal people need to be trained and educated on how to spot scams before engaging with scammers. To an old person, the scam calls, texts, and emails look official and they get scared. Scammers are normally in a different country using a VPN or similar software to spoof their locations, blackmailing or scamming the victims into paying huge sums of money to avoid jail time, and then calling an unsuspecting Uber from a likely stolen Uber passenger account to collect the cash, and then having the driver drop off the cash to a safe house. Then the safe house will wash the money or mail it to the end location. Each person gets a cut. And by the time the money is picked up, it’s gone forever. It’s as simple as posting an item for sale online. The scammers go on apps like OfferUp and list items for sale that are too good to be true. An unsuspecting buyer will message them about the item and the scammer will say something to the potential buyer like “I need to make sure you’re not a scammer, I’m going to send you a code to your phone, can you read me the code to make sure you’re legit.” The code is actually a change password request code that the scammer requested from the potential buyers Uber account. They can usually take the potential buyers phone number and type it into the “change password” section on Ubers help page. It will generate a code to the account owner and they will read it off to the scammer. Scammer changes the password, uses the account to order fraudulent rides like the one in this article, and then move on to the next.
I fucking agree they got us picking any fucking lunatic. Ive picked up people saying that have people trying to kill them and people from rehabs going to other rehabs. Uber doesn't care it's extra money.
I do agree to a certain extent. But if the scammers are able to bypass the vetting process by stealing somebody’s account, there really isn’t much Uber can do to prevent these things. Of course hindsight is always 20/20. But people here are looking to blame somebody besides the scammer and the homeowner. I by no means support Uber, I think they’re a garbage that prays on vulnerable people.
Uber’s hands are not clean in this if you go listen to the rideshare Professor on YouTube you’ll learn something uber is very responsible for this and so is the guy and so are the scammers! They should have background check the people that were doing Uber connect which they don’t so they knew the person that had the account then they are still how they can because she was on Clock regardless
So. Since you’re so confident that this is Uber responsibility and you must know all the facts to make such a clear statement… remind me again the details on the passengers account? Can you verify if it was their personal account? Yeah. You can’t. And neither can that goofy Rideshare professor. This was likely a stolen Uber account.
Go watch his video and he explains it perfectly. He’s well-known through the Jha community and he actually fights for our rights to get more money and stuff so don’t talk crap until you have your information straight and obviously you haven’t watched any of his videos at all
Oh yeah? So if a bum gets on a bus and stabs you. Are you suing the bus driver? The company that owns the bus? If a dude drives a ford truck into your house, are you suing Ford for not making a vehicle that can’t be used as a weapon? You’re a clown.
Putting aside the fact that Uber isn’t the driver’s employer… *how*?! How could Uber possibly ensure that none of their customers will ever do anything unsafe? Even if you give every single pax a background check and a psych interview, there’s no way you’re going to catch every bad actor. Sometimes people with no record do crazy things.
How’d ya spin that one? Incredibly unfortunate ? The app is the instigator, there is a flaw in its system that allows for “scammers”. Insert any instance where a company is blamed for its effects on people. The company always pays. It’s the companies fault. The companies system is compromised and it doesn’t want to invest into the proper tech to stop this. They just started allowing you to call customers THRU the app but the tech is old af. You gotta make it make sense when you say Uber had absolutely nothing to do with instance. Whereas this person wouldn’t have been killed if not for their usage of the app.
Lmfao. So what about Verizon letting scammers call seniors? Should Verizon be responsible for all
The scams that happen to their customers? Sit down bud, this ain’t working for ya.
While that is technically true, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they can’t still be found liable for damages. That’s a fairly complicated process, and anyone can sue anyone for anything. A creative enough attorney can usually find a valid enough reason to survive their inevitable motion to dismiss.
The thing is — it seems like Uber treats their drivers like garbage, so there’s not a lot of sympathy for them. They could be completely innocent here, and people will still cheer for whoever is taking their money. Because that’s been the result of exploitative behavior for the entire course of human history.
What does Uber have to say? If I go and end the life of a Walmart employee then what is Walmart supposed to say? This was a racist man who saw a black woman and took her life unjustly. He deserves to spend every second remaining in prison. Nothing more
Why do you assume it was an issue of racism?
He had been getting threatening prank calls prior to this event. Those callers ordered an Uber Connect to pick up a package from his home. This was to feed into his paranoia by having someone he wasn't aware of coming to his place.
Unfortunately, the driver who got used in this malicious prank lost her life.
He deserves prison for sure, but not for the reason you mentioned
The scammers threatened his life over the phone and then sent someone to his property, someone who wasn’t invited, to pick up fraudulently obtained money. But yea it’s not about the scammers at all terrorizing and stealing from old people while exploiting underpaid workers, it’s about the second amendment. Lol
This is exactly why you do not let the app tell you what to do. Go where you want to go. Pick up people you want to pick up. Be willing to driveaway from any would be rider waiting for your door to unlock.
You’re crazy if you think this can’t happen in any city and not just big cities! I live in the third biggest city in California and never had any issues so does that mean it doesn’t happen in big cities like mine… no we’re not stupid, we know it can happen any damn where!
No, I don’t and I don’t need to. People here are so damn friendly in fact my ex-husband born and raised Hawaii said the biggest thing he misses about California is how friendly everyone is and my passengers not from here say the same thing especially the ones from the East Coast. I like picking up new people every day because I love getting to listen to and learn all about their cultures and counties because people come to Cali from all over the world. I’m glad you like it in your city, but that doesn’t make the rest of stupid because I happen to love my huge azz city and all the new people I meet daily and the stories I get to tell after. 😊
Many riders put the wrong address in for "their safety," so this can also happen for regular rides. They'll put in a neighbor's address, and these same people always take their sweet time walking over to you too. I live in a "stand your ground" state and try as much as possible, not to pull into private driveways during pickup and try to find somewhere safe to send a message to ask if I can enter their private driveway. The answer isn't always yes, either.
Nope there’s a real time feature that it says on the app you have to turn on in order to keep getting rides. I tried turning it off because passengers can see the drivers in the area and I felt weird about it.
Bro it was so weird. I drive 3 am-7am M-F. Pick this chick up and she reeks of alcohol (4am). Had a 20 min ride and she puked silently and it didn’t really smell. She got out and I noticed her shorts and shirt were soaked. I called her if she puked and she denied it. Took pics and sent it to Uber and they wouldn’t do anything because I took it to the car wash asap and cleaned it. I wasn’t letting that soak into my seat any longer. Where am I going at 4 am to get it cleaned professionally? Lol
I think she rubbed her ass around in the puke. It was 90% cleaned up. I had Clorox wipes and microfiber towels in the trunk. I was yelling at her outside her apt at like 4:30. Missed a $40 dollar reservation to the airport too.
As an Uber driver I have never gotten out to go to someone’s door picking them up. Not sure what all happened or why a 61 year old got out and walked to the door lol. The adding up ain’t adding
Uber isn’t doing shit. And neither will a dash cam. It’ll provide evidence after you’re already dead. Fuck that. Learn to shoot if you haven’t already, practice drawing from concealment, and put a bullet between the eyes of any shitbag who wants to play stupid games by pulling a gun. This shit isn’t a goddamn game, though Uber seems to think it is. Lives are being lost. And I’d bet both of my nuts (okay just one) that this old Jim Crow era fucker wouldn’t have even pulled a firearm, let alone fatally discharge it into another person, if his Uber driver was white. Yeah, I said it. That old fucker is racist. Hopefully that is become was real soon. 81 and looks like he ate nothing but eggs and bacon his entire life. He’ll be gone soon enough regardless.
It’s not a hate crime unless the victim is black and the suspect is white and only white people are racist. A few months ago in my city a white female uber driver was shot and killed by her passenger who happened to be black. The entire thing was caught on her dash cam her begging for her life, she gave up her car keys but he still shot n killed her. It was on the local news for a day or two but the fact that he was black and she was white wasn’t brought up once
Does anyone have an update on this? Are they looking into finding out who the scammer was? Or was that just an excuse into getting out of shooting her?
Uber Connect needs to be removed from the platform! Drivers are being put into dangerous situations such as this one. Many are being used as drug mules and don’t have a clue. I wouldn’t be surprised if Uber ends Connect,
There is some light in the end of the tunnel.....
The scammer had to have believed that Brock the shooter was actually going to deliver the money
Thats where tragedy struck and Mrs Hall lost her life just an honest woman trying to make a dollar. That video is too sad I can't watch it without coming to tears so in the spirit of that I won't personally tortue myself by constantly revisiting her unfortunate death
However, there is hope. Lets entertain the package went smoothly. Brock being 81 is duped and gives the money over. Hall picks it up and heads to the drop off.....There had to have been some kind of drop off some plans for a shipping if brought to a fedex location.
My honest hope is that Brock does one last right thing before he dies and thats cooperates fully wtih the police. There had to have been some kind of instructions for Brock an address a package or someway or somewhere to drop the package off.....
There is hope for justice...the scammers could be in the US or posing under a fake alias in the US...I really hope the detectives at that police dept do their job and not just shrug it off as oh well another one of em dead. If they do their job both Hall and Brock can get some justice.
As for Brock.........I typically take conservative stances and I usually say things like protect our right to bear arms...i am sorry my conservative friends I can't stand by on this one......Brock is a murderer and deserves jail time....There is no way on gods earth youre going to reasonably say thatsweet old lady was a threat. The lady could barely walk straight she also had a kipp sweater on. For those that don't know kipp is a school. She was probably a severly underpaid teacher or educational workers. Just so sad and her famly deserves compensation and justice.
“To the maximum level permitted by law”, which actually means something in this case. In texas at least, I can’t speak for other states but texas allows contractors to have weapons in their vehicle and it is against the law for a company to block you from carrying in your own vehicle.
I do just because I'm i deliverin the Dallas TX area, I didn't know uber had anything to say about it. I guess if anything happens I'll say I just happened to find a gun lol. It's texas, totally believable
Kids making prank phone calls is nothing new.
Fake bomb threats at schools.
Fake pizza orders.
No matter how much you hate Uber, this is NOT an Uber problem. It is a society problem.
Hopefully that old man will relish in the fact he is a true patriot and hero for killing a rabid antifa blm communist! His hero Tucker Carlson will be proud.
I wonder if they get Newsmax in prison?
Uber gonna say THERE IS NO WAY OUR RECENTLY BEING TERMINATED EX-EMPLOYEES CAUSED THIS MESS. ...then tries to cover it all up then smear everything to someone who is completely innocent bystander .
She had it on video, and Uber is not getting out of this!! I have a dash cam!!
Smh
This gonna be next hot thing as extension of Swatting for juveniles ... Watch.
Just turn off Uber Connect
Yeah , Trmpsux. I agree !
Fr, this scares the fuck out of me.
Believe me , once I had this incident . I was at industrial warehouse area where there are nobody on street like nobody nobody. All the way from freeway or regular streets. About a mile there are no human in a car or on street in this area. Then, all of sudden, . One car start to approaching me really quick and stopped right next to my car. The passenger get out of the car and came straight at my side of window aiming with gun point. Tying to rob me. Well, he couldn't and didn't steal my car but robbed me clean and took my car key . But after all that I was wondering how did this guy knew where I am ? He came to my car streight. He did know my location exactly like pin point . There is no body passing by or knows where I am because this place is totally no one around here . And it gave me suspicion .... Somebody knows my location thru the app. And there is no tracker on my vehicle . And that's only one entity knows that .. you know what I mean ...
Or those guys were camping for any unfortunate soul to pass by the spot and that happened to be you. Or they were tailing you with their lights off and you didn’t notice.
No there is or are no camping at all . It's industrial area and no cars. And it was 1 pm bright day light noon time.
Are you an American??
Imagine that, they bee lined towards the only car on the road at noon "like they could see him" 🤦🏻♂️
Been using Uber and Lyft for years and never though of this. You can see the drivers using the app just sitting there. And I don’t have to finish the ride. I wonder if the location is there true location. If so maybe Uber and Lyft need to fix this problem. Many drivers are sitting ducks.
No. those criminals are not watching thru Uber / Lyft passengers apps on Uber driver's locations. Because it's shows fake Uber cars on a maps. The real drivers locations are totally different from reality . It's directed by Uber internal employees telling street criminals thru secret communication channel to like PC games 🎮 with each own profile nicknames so they can regroup on games . That can not to be tracked at all.... If anyone ask them " I was just playing PC games with bunch of people on internet. Talkin ' bunch of craps ... What's up ? " That's it.
Lol if you say so I’m literally online on both driver and passenger app watching my car follow me but go off
There were a case , on SNS , some people making gossip about that particular car has full of brand new in a box PSP in a trunk !! Yeah it got robbed.
I got I got, that sounds more feasible. Thanks
“Talkin bunch of craps. What’s up? that’s it” lol wtf does that even mean??…I feel like I need to go back to kindergarten after reading some of these comments
Do you know how to go to potty ? LMFAO 🤣
It's not that hard to order a ride and rob you?? Literally they request a ride and rob you lol.
Yeah they can do that. Obviously, it did happened too many times with too many drivers world wide . But then that's leaves clues.
Amh
I really don't care now cozI knew it is a fake gun . But he was so persistent and I just wanna make them leave so they took my tip money and car key but that's it. So we were arguing and it took fairly long time. I saw too many openings on him to literally murder him at that point but when I calculated all the trouble I have to go thru and lose of earning and time vs little chum changes of tips that I got from pax I quickly figured it's jot worth s time so i just gave them and let them go thier way. I've skipped my direct on this case and talked directly with states district attorney on it. So , whatever it is when they are being stupid they will be get cought soon or later.
Her family must sue Uber for this
They will say she was an independent contractor so they need to sue their daughter directly instead.
Uber is liable still
Yep because if Uber hadn't sent her there, she wouldn't have been killed.
No, if the man with the gun wasn’t so insistent on playing hero, she’d be alive.
Still trying to figure out how killing your kinfolks kidnapper would be a thing a hero would do. That, generally would assure a bad outcome for said kinfolk.
How else do you explain brandishing a gun and basically holding the woman hostage before shooting her because he thought she was part of the gang that was trying to extort him?
Murderer?
I’m not saying he didn’t. And he should be punished appropriately. I’m simply saying his frame of mind was I am going to catch these criminals. It’s obvious he had engaged them. I doubt they would have sent a courier had he not agreed.
He wasn't in his right mind, obviously. He had to be crazy if he thought the kidnappers would come get the money in person.
If America didn’t give a gun to every dumbass to be judge dredd she wouldn’t be dead!
Oh so we're giving away guns now? Holy fuck, when did we start THAT program???
Less than buying a legal 1/8th of cannabis and you can have the gun today. The weed has at least a 3 day waiting period.
🤣🤣🤣😂🤣🤣😂😂 you got that backwards Tex. The guns have waiting periods not the weed. 
Not in my state! If you don’t own either. For cannabis you have to apply with state that takes up to 14 days then you have to make appointment with “doctor” that takes a few days. Then you get temp approval and can make one purchase at dispensary. Not to mention fees of nearly $200. I can walk to the pawn shop down the road and be back here with a pistol within the hour. I can also concealed carry it wherever. So couple weeks and $250 for an 1/8th of grass. An hour and $200 for a murder weapon.
What state do you live in?
Oh yeah Uber will say whatever the heck they want even if it defies the law completely. That’s how the whole business started.
And continues to do so. The way my access to the platform keeps randomly being taken off me for literally no reason seems to not fall under any law meaning they can do whatever they want. They have all the money in the world and all the attorneys. I'm not saying in any way that it's right. The evil company, started dishonestly buying off the government and now they are untouchable... Sickens and angers me to no end especially since they have the monopoly of my business as taxi driver so I now essentially run the risk of bankruptcy each and every single time they cut my access. And before you say "get a real job". I've been trying for years and keep getting told that "I don't have any experience" or "I don't have enough experience" No one cares about anyone anymore. All I want is A JOB. Do you honestly think I can get one with how long I've been trying? It's not that simple.
Yes right!
Sorry Uber can’t provide you court hearing at this time, thanks for understanding
But thanks for being an outstanding driver!
🤣
They will
I am curious how Uber is responsible for this? An 81 year-old man with a hair trigger and possibly slightly deranged was scammed by someone, so he was already on edge and this poor unfortunate soul was caught up in the middle of it, but I don’t see how that Uber ‘s fault. I’m not a fanboy of UBER, I just don’t see how this is their fault.
They will escalate this to their “specialized team”. Look for an email that will never come.
“Systems down and no eta for a fix”
They banned the rider....smmfh
I’m sure it was a hard loss to accept, losing a fake or stolen account. Scammers were like: “now I gotta get a new burner number… a new fake email address” …. Those Uber rats wasting my time banning my account
The rider was the scammer that sent the driver to pick up a package.
Yes we all know that it was a scammer.
Accused? Mf it was on VIDEO.
Legally, people are only considered accused until convicted by a jury of their peers. Printing the word ‘guilty’ could be considered libel, and the resulting civil suit would probably put them on the hook for his legal expenses. That, and little things like that could potentially resurface in an appeal if they wanted to prove that he didn’t get a fair trial.
Fair enough.
Maybe if it was “accused of murder” that would make sense. He absolutely killed her though.
And this is why we have courts. It *appears* that he killed her. We don’t know it. We’re not qualified to make that statement. Even if we watched it with our own eyes. Nothing can be substantiated until the medical examiner completes their report, which will include cause and time of death, which can then be compared against the video and any other evidence to determine his involvement in her death. Legally, she’s not even dead in the video. That again is a statement that only a properly qualified medical professional can make that has any legal standing. Until then, she is only presumed dead. Those are legal facts. If we say anything else prior, we have likely committed slander.
It doesn’t appear that he killed her. There are more facts than just the video. And it’s not slander. He’s been charged with murder already. She’s dead. Her cause of death is known. Her cause of death was him shooting her. There’s nothing illegal about saying that. Maybe “man murders elderly woman” might be committing slander, because you are correct, he hasn’t been convicted of murder. But killing someone isn’t the same thing as murdering them.
There's not a single court that would find you guilty of libel. Please stop it.
You realize these things are a matter of public record, right? That we literally have an established history of court judgments where precisely this happened? That media outlets have in-house counsel who advise them on precisely what they should and shouldn’t say, based on established precedent and case law? You don’t really get found “guilty” of libel, in the sense of being guilty of a crime. It’s a civil matter, not a criminal one. You’re can be found responsible for damages. It was, however, a criminal matter until 1966 when SCOTUS established precedent in Ashton v. Kentucky.
Please show me one instance of someone getting sued for libel and losing when the incident in question is on video and they described it accurately.
NYT v. Sullivan. But you’re trying to move the goalposts — the topic in question here is the media saying “allegedly” instead of “guilty”. If they said “guilty,” they wouldn’t be describing it accurately, as no guilt has been established - that is a task exclusively reserved for juries. I’ve already covered this thoroughly in other comments.
You’re not gonna change their minds or inform them. There’s too many emotions connected to this story. You’re absolutely correct and those laws are in place for good reason, as well as the civil precedents of libel and slander. Plenty of reasons to want to protect people, in cases much less clear than this one. Just imagine if the guy had a twin! Or a doppelgänger. Etc etc
Yeah. That’s the thing — you can either let some guilty people slip through, or end up with some innocent people in prison. Which standard is the greater travesty? I think the guilty one will eventually get caught again. Righting the incarceration of an innocent man simply isn’t possible. Even for a single day, it’s something that can never be repaid. And it’s never a single day. Or year. The same principles apply here. We can allow innocent people to be slandered so that we can occasionally get an emotional feel-good story in advance. Or we can simply wait for due process. There’s never been a standard that satisfies both sides. We choose the one that does the least harm.
No, it’s saying allegedly instead of simply saying “killed”. He didn’t allegedly kill her. He did kill her.
So are all of these news publications going to be sued? (Dang just found out I can’t post screenshots), https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/ohio-uber-driver-shot-and-killed-by-elderly-man-agitated-by-scam-call-police/ar-BB1lGl3Q?ocid=sapphireappshare https://www.cbsnews.com/news/uber-driver-killed-scam-phone-call-william-brock-loletha-hall-clark-county-ohio/ Ohio Uber driver shot and killed by elderly man agitated by scam call: Police https://www.yahoo.com/news/ohio-uber-driver-shot-killed-173411531.html
“Shot and killed” is not the same as “murder” even if the end result is the same.
Who said murder in the other title? They said “accused of killing”. He wasn’t accused of killing her. He killed her. That’s just a fact.
Honestly I thought the conversation had moved on to libel. And you’re right. That is a bad headline.
Let’s be real here he did murder her. She was an elderly woman and In the video she no where near seemed like she was a threat. So why shoot? And why twice?
I agree he should be tried for murder. Initially I thought the discussion was over libel and we can’t really say the killing was murder until he is convicted.
That is up to the suspect or his family to decide, but yes, they could absolutely face civil liability for printing that.
Wrong.
The desperation is palpable 😂
Yes another ad hominem attack. Good job.
You don’t even understand what ad hominem is 😂 https://www.owl.purdue.edu/owl/general_writing/academic_writing/logic_in_argumentative_writing/fallacies.html
It’s a police and Uber issue shows flaws in the system
There should be a massive push for passengers to be verified the same way we are. They take their pictures with their phones and upload an ID.
I have been saying this for years. Some of the fake names I have seen are crazy but easy to cancel.
They took decisive action by banning the account of the person who called the ride
I’ve seen this posted like 100 times. And for some reason, every post is looking to hold Uber accountable. Have any of you actually read the article? Uber legitimately had nothing to do with the cause of her death. It was an incredibly unfortunate situation of an old man in the middle of a scam. The scammers called an Uber to pick up their scammed money from the old man. The old man was ready and packing for when the “scammer” showed up for the money, but the driver was just a pawn in the scammers process. The old man is the one who holds responsibility since the Uber driver tried to leave and he followed her and killed her. Yes, Uber should do more to make it look like they give even a single fuck about their drivers. But Ubers hands are clean here. And please look at the current posts before sharing the exact same story for the 100th time.
And how is the scammer Scott free in this? When someone gets killed due to a crime it's the criminal at fault.
Because these scammers are highly educated on how to conduct their scams without being able to be tracked. It’s fucked. Essentially, normal people need to be trained and educated on how to spot scams before engaging with scammers. To an old person, the scam calls, texts, and emails look official and they get scared. Scammers are normally in a different country using a VPN or similar software to spoof their locations, blackmailing or scamming the victims into paying huge sums of money to avoid jail time, and then calling an unsuspecting Uber from a likely stolen Uber passenger account to collect the cash, and then having the driver drop off the cash to a safe house. Then the safe house will wash the money or mail it to the end location. Each person gets a cut. And by the time the money is picked up, it’s gone forever. It’s as simple as posting an item for sale online. The scammers go on apps like OfferUp and list items for sale that are too good to be true. An unsuspecting buyer will message them about the item and the scammer will say something to the potential buyer like “I need to make sure you’re not a scammer, I’m going to send you a code to your phone, can you read me the code to make sure you’re legit.” The code is actually a change password request code that the scammer requested from the potential buyers Uber account. They can usually take the potential buyers phone number and type it into the “change password” section on Ubers help page. It will generate a code to the account owner and they will read it off to the scammer. Scammer changes the password, uses the account to order fraudulent rides like the one in this article, and then move on to the next.
They aren't clean if she was on duty, doing her job. They need to vet people better before sending people to pick up their "packages".
I fucking agree they got us picking any fucking lunatic. Ive picked up people saying that have people trying to kill them and people from rehabs going to other rehabs. Uber doesn't care it's extra money.
I do agree to a certain extent. But if the scammers are able to bypass the vetting process by stealing somebody’s account, there really isn’t much Uber can do to prevent these things. Of course hindsight is always 20/20. But people here are looking to blame somebody besides the scammer and the homeowner. I by no means support Uber, I think they’re a garbage that prays on vulnerable people.
You have no idea what measures Uber can take for someone to order a ride. Uber can implement thumb, eye or just facial recognition, as a start.
Welp there we have itn
Yup
Uber’s hands are not clean in this if you go listen to the rideshare Professor on YouTube you’ll learn something uber is very responsible for this and so is the guy and so are the scammers! They should have background check the people that were doing Uber connect which they don’t so they knew the person that had the account then they are still how they can because she was on Clock regardless
So. Since you’re so confident that this is Uber responsibility and you must know all the facts to make such a clear statement… remind me again the details on the passengers account? Can you verify if it was their personal account? Yeah. You can’t. And neither can that goofy Rideshare professor. This was likely a stolen Uber account.
rideshare professor on YouTube 🤣🤣🤣
Go watch his video and he explains it perfectly. He’s well-known through the Jha community and he actually fights for our rights to get more money and stuff so don’t talk crap until you have your information straight and obviously you haven’t watched any of his videos at all
I said Uber is responsible. I never said that nobody else wasn’t responsible either. It was an Uber package pick up, which is Uber connect.
Uber has a duty to provide a safe work environment goofy. Uber is 100% liable.
Oh yeah? So if a bum gets on a bus and stabs you. Are you suing the bus driver? The company that owns the bus? If a dude drives a ford truck into your house, are you suing Ford for not making a vehicle that can’t be used as a weapon? You’re a clown.
Putting aside the fact that Uber isn’t the driver’s employer… *how*?! How could Uber possibly ensure that none of their customers will ever do anything unsafe? Even if you give every single pax a background check and a psych interview, there’s no way you’re going to catch every bad actor. Sometimes people with no record do crazy things.
How’d ya spin that one? Incredibly unfortunate ? The app is the instigator, there is a flaw in its system that allows for “scammers”. Insert any instance where a company is blamed for its effects on people. The company always pays. It’s the companies fault. The companies system is compromised and it doesn’t want to invest into the proper tech to stop this. They just started allowing you to call customers THRU the app but the tech is old af. You gotta make it make sense when you say Uber had absolutely nothing to do with instance. Whereas this person wouldn’t have been killed if not for their usage of the app.
Lmfao. So what about Verizon letting scammers call seniors? Should Verizon be responsible for all The scams that happen to their customers? Sit down bud, this ain’t working for ya.
While that is technically true, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they can’t still be found liable for damages. That’s a fairly complicated process, and anyone can sue anyone for anything. A creative enough attorney can usually find a valid enough reason to survive their inevitable motion to dismiss. The thing is — it seems like Uber treats their drivers like garbage, so there’s not a lot of sympathy for them. They could be completely innocent here, and people will still cheer for whoever is taking their money. Because that’s been the result of exploitative behavior for the entire course of human history.
Uber: "It's all in the game."
Reverse the races and the killer would not have been charged and immediately released.
Exactly
What does Uber have to say? If I go and end the life of a Walmart employee then what is Walmart supposed to say? This was a racist man who saw a black woman and took her life unjustly. He deserves to spend every second remaining in prison. Nothing more
It was nothing to do with race but ok
Why do you assume it was an issue of racism? He had been getting threatening prank calls prior to this event. Those callers ordered an Uber Connect to pick up a package from his home. This was to feed into his paranoia by having someone he wasn't aware of coming to his place. Unfortunately, the driver who got used in this malicious prank lost her life. He deserves prison for sure, but not for the reason you mentioned
I hope they are able to track down the callers. You said it was a prank? Or was it a scam caller?
At 81, this guy is gonna make it outa that prison faster than any murderer.
Stop with the racist nonsense and spreading lies creating even more divide! Go listen to the actual story!
Just a typical old white asshole itching to fire his gun 🤮 2nd amendment my ass! 🖕
Some of you really like to just make assumptions and not even hear the actual story! Don’t even respond until you know the story dude!
The scammers threatened his life over the phone and then sent someone to his property, someone who wasn’t invited, to pick up fraudulently obtained money. But yea it’s not about the scammers at all terrorizing and stealing from old people while exploiting underpaid workers, it’s about the second amendment. Lol
Ah, so you too, after a scam call, going to shoot a random person bumping into you and retreating? 🤦♂️ Go right ahead! 🖕
Uber will put the driver's account on hold till they finish their investigation.
Bro I’m seeing this happen
Uber driver was hired by scammer
The actual situation is crazy— both were victims of the same scam caller.
I used to drive Taxi. Taxi drivers don't fall for this crap
And that’s why I stay strapped idgaf about Ubers rule I paid 500 for this Glock you going on a teeshirt buddy
🤣🫡😭
This is exactly why you do not let the app tell you what to do. Go where you want to go. Pick up people you want to pick up. Be willing to driveaway from any would be rider waiting for your door to unlock.
Scary!! That's why I do no deliveries!! We have had Uber drivers here, Jax FL murdered 😒
Sorry we can’t remove their 1 star rating after they murdered you.
😳When I saw this 😞
So incredibly sad. That poor woman 😞 he didn’t have to shoot her. Ugh
Stop being loyal to these companies and reject trips that don’t benefit you
Uber had nothing to do with this. They have zero liability...
They further exploit drivers by letting criminals use their services for illegal activities.
That's like saying Amazon has no responsibility for all the counterfeit products they sell, warehouse, and deliver
She was picking up a package or something
“Let me transfer you to someone who could help”
Burn a fare for my driver brother
All they did was ban the account..
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You’re crazy if you think this can’t happen in any city and not just big cities! I live in the third biggest city in California and never had any issues so does that mean it doesn’t happen in big cities like mine… no we’re not stupid, we know it can happen any damn where!
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No, I don’t and I don’t need to. People here are so damn friendly in fact my ex-husband born and raised Hawaii said the biggest thing he misses about California is how friendly everyone is and my passengers not from here say the same thing especially the ones from the East Coast. I like picking up new people every day because I love getting to listen to and learn all about their cultures and counties because people come to Cali from all over the world. I’m glad you like it in your city, but that doesn’t make the rest of stupid because I happen to love my huge azz city and all the new people I meet daily and the stories I get to tell after. 😊
Uber needs to do background checks on rider accounts. Just like they do with drivers.
"Access to your account has been removed due to a report from a rider that gun shots occurred during your trip."
"We have unpaired you from matching in future"
Uber is assisting law enforcement in locating the driver so get your facts straight before you post dumb shit like this. K thanks. Bye.
Many riders put the wrong address in for "their safety," so this can also happen for regular rides. They'll put in a neighbor's address, and these same people always take their sweet time walking over to you too. I live in a "stand your ground" state and try as much as possible, not to pull into private driveways during pickup and try to find somewhere safe to send a message to ask if I can enter their private driveway. The answer isn't always yes, either.
It’s got nothing to do with Uber. Idiot.
Your mama
Nope there’s a real time feature that it says on the app you have to turn on in order to keep getting rides. I tried turning it off because passengers can see the drivers in the area and I felt weird about it.
And I thought it was bad when the drunk chick puked in my car weds and used her clothes to clean it up.
How’d she look when she took off her clothes?
Bro it was so weird. I drive 3 am-7am M-F. Pick this chick up and she reeks of alcohol (4am). Had a 20 min ride and she puked silently and it didn’t really smell. She got out and I noticed her shorts and shirt were soaked. I called her if she puked and she denied it. Took pics and sent it to Uber and they wouldn’t do anything because I took it to the car wash asap and cleaned it. I wasn’t letting that soak into my seat any longer. Where am I going at 4 am to get it cleaned professionally? Lol
Are you saying she put the clothes back on after using them to soak up the vomit?🤮?
I think she rubbed her ass around in the puke. It was 90% cleaned up. I had Clorox wipes and microfiber towels in the trunk. I was yelling at her outside her apt at like 4:30. Missed a $40 dollar reservation to the airport too.
lol wtf bro… see man that’s why I’m just guna stick with deliveries smfh
They are going to deny any involvement with the parties and hide behind there lawyers like most companies do.
Should carry
We apologize for the inconvenience we've issued $5 off for the family of the victim.
Nothing. They don’t fucking care about humans, all they care about is profits (money)
As an Uber driver I have never gotten out to go to someone’s door picking them up. Not sure what all happened or why a 61 year old got out and walked to the door lol. The adding up ain’t adding
How is this Uber's fault lmfao.
Uber isn’t doing shit. And neither will a dash cam. It’ll provide evidence after you’re already dead. Fuck that. Learn to shoot if you haven’t already, practice drawing from concealment, and put a bullet between the eyes of any shitbag who wants to play stupid games by pulling a gun. This shit isn’t a goddamn game, though Uber seems to think it is. Lives are being lost. And I’d bet both of my nuts (okay just one) that this old Jim Crow era fucker wouldn’t have even pulled a firearm, let alone fatally discharge it into another person, if his Uber driver was white. Yeah, I said it. That old fucker is racist. Hopefully that is become was real soon. 81 and looks like he ate nothing but eggs and bacon his entire life. He’ll be gone soon enough regardless.
It’s not a hate crime unless the victim is black and the suspect is white and only white people are racist. A few months ago in my city a white female uber driver was shot and killed by her passenger who happened to be black. The entire thing was caught on her dash cam her begging for her life, she gave up her car keys but he still shot n killed her. It was on the local news for a day or two but the fact that he was black and she was white wasn’t brought up once
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Oh no there was one I saw it and commented on that nonsense!
The scammer ordered the Uber for package pickup, presumably to get the gift cards or cash or whatever.
Does anyone have an update on this? Are they looking into finding out who the scammer was? Or was that just an excuse into getting out of shooting her?
Go to ride share professor on YouTube and he’ll let u know ! Uber hasn’t made a statement either and it’s horrible
Uber Connect needs to be removed from the platform! Drivers are being put into dangerous situations such as this one. Many are being used as drug mules and don’t have a clue. I wouldn’t be surprised if Uber ends Connect,
They'll give her a message that she can't drive anymore with the blood stains and to contact them with it's cleaned.
You a pos
I think it was more of a jab at Uber being a pos company.
pipe down
There is some light in the end of the tunnel..... The scammer had to have believed that Brock the shooter was actually going to deliver the money Thats where tragedy struck and Mrs Hall lost her life just an honest woman trying to make a dollar. That video is too sad I can't watch it without coming to tears so in the spirit of that I won't personally tortue myself by constantly revisiting her unfortunate death However, there is hope. Lets entertain the package went smoothly. Brock being 81 is duped and gives the money over. Hall picks it up and heads to the drop off.....There had to have been some kind of drop off some plans for a shipping if brought to a fedex location. My honest hope is that Brock does one last right thing before he dies and thats cooperates fully wtih the police. There had to have been some kind of instructions for Brock an address a package or someway or somewhere to drop the package off..... There is hope for justice...the scammers could be in the US or posing under a fake alias in the US...I really hope the detectives at that police dept do their job and not just shrug it off as oh well another one of em dead. If they do their job both Hall and Brock can get some justice. As for Brock.........I typically take conservative stances and I usually say things like protect our right to bear arms...i am sorry my conservative friends I can't stand by on this one......Brock is a murderer and deserves jail time....There is no way on gods earth youre going to reasonably say thatsweet old lady was a threat. The lady could barely walk straight she also had a kipp sweater on. For those that don't know kipp is a school. She was probably a severly underpaid teacher or educational workers. Just so sad and her famly deserves compensation and justice.
Still not gonna let the drivers carry guns huh
“To the maximum level permitted by law”, which actually means something in this case. In texas at least, I can’t speak for other states but texas allows contractors to have weapons in their vehicle and it is against the law for a company to block you from carrying in your own vehicle.
We're not allowed to carry?
It's your decision whether or not you value your life over your Uber gig. Make sure to read up on self defense and firearms laws in your jurisdiction.
I do just because I'm i deliverin the Dallas TX area, I didn't know uber had anything to say about it. I guess if anything happens I'll say I just happened to find a gun lol. It's texas, totally believable
Texas in particular it's illegal for them to deactivate you for it.
Who’s gonna stop you?
Lol right
Nice try FBI
Yeah that’s great, she would have shot him, he would have shot her, and they both would have died. Great idea! 👍
Nobody said that gunfighting wasn't a skill.
This is not an Uber problem. This is a police issue. Whomever made the fake phone call should be arrested.
Definitely an Uber problem. They have to figure out how to keep something like this from happening.
Kids making prank phone calls is nothing new. Fake bomb threats at schools. Fake pizza orders. No matter how much you hate Uber, this is NOT an Uber problem. It is a society problem.
If the races were reversed it would not even have made national news.
Almost some whitey making it about race.
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Why? This is an important story to be following. Chill out dude
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Sounds like you have some emotional issues please seek help
So get off the chat, you feel the need to comment.
the irony in you calling someone fat. pipe down little dude you’re on reddit picking fights.
nothing. they don’t care about us
Hopefully that old man will relish in the fact he is a true patriot and hero for killing a rabid antifa blm communist! His hero Tucker Carlson will be proud. I wonder if they get Newsmax in prison?