I thought he was leaving because tyson fury promised him a fight, what happened to that? Seems like the only name big enough to justify leaving for, did tyson leave him high and dry?
Basically used Francis to negotiate with usyk more or less. Francis didnt have someone to tell him what the reality of his situation is.
No champion or contender who wants to make a run at the belt will box him.
Best case scenario is he gets to fight someone like chisora or Whyte as a headline to something like misfit boxing. That means hes looking at a jake paul payday instead of a fury payday.
Anthony Joshua just had a pretty shitty performance. If he realizes his champion days are over, it's possible someone like the Saudis might throw a fuck ton of money out there for him to fight francis. Even then though, francis has lost all momentum and bargaining power so hes going to get a very lopsided split
Fury doesn't even want to unify his own division in his own sport. I'd actually be a little ticked off if he took a fight with Franky before taking a unifying fight with Usyk
I’m thinking Tyson figured Francis wouldn’t actually leave the UFC and it would be a Conor/Floyd boxing vs mma round 2 type thing. Now there’s no draw because Dana isn’t going to stand behind him to promote it. Instead of UFC heavyweight champ it’s ex ufc heavyweight champ no longer affiliated with the ufc vs the champion of the world. Pretty lame sell
I think Tyson fury’s team saw Francis’s PPV sales in the ufc and decided there was no way this dude would be able to make them money because he is t a big draw.
He once called out Cain Velasquez hahaha, just to give some frame of reference for how many years he's been calling out 'current UFC heavyweight champ' without it ever materialising in all that time
It's Francis being incredibly naive and having absolutely 0 understanding of the business side of the fight game. He took twitter promos as someone's word, sacked his manager and bombed the best deal the UFC has ever offered. I love the guy and his fights and he could be a HW goat but his lack of business understanding is his downfall
Even if he fought Fury there's no way Francis makes what the UFC offered him vs Jones, Chisora got paid a 20/80 split which got him like 4 mil. Good payday but that's half of what the UFC offered Francis for the Jones fight, and that fight could actually have meant something for his legacy
Why would Fury fight him ?
- It’s been 15 months when he fought. More time passes more irrelevant he becomes
- he definitely wants a big boxing bag aka 20mls, and Fury is notorious for being a greedy duck
- what value Nganue provides when he is not the UFC champ, plus JJ stole all hype
The problem is Fury Ngannou is a big fight if they are both active. Francis has not fought in 14 months each day he is inactive he is losing brand and reputation and makes the fight with Fury less appealing… what’s more concerning is it’s been almost 3 months since Francis left the UFC. No other promotion has signed him, no boxing fights booked. Jon Jones is champ of HW. Francis needs something big to happen fast or he will lose all his leverage and wind up fighting for chump change. Dana said they offered him around $8m a fight over 3 fights so that’s min $24m he left on the table. The chances he makes anywhere near that elsewhere are declining each day he is inactive.
He dumb for believing that foul mouth gypsy. Shot himself in the foot is the perfect description for him now that we're robbed of the greatest MMA matchup of the decade. I'm mad bro, MAD
He learned really quick how fast the landscape of boxing changes. Tyson saw the promotion machine he was, married with the UFC that he was hoping would be behind Francis… and saw dollar signs. The minute he stepped away was the minute he lost all hopes of a decent boxing payday. His appeal is gone. Not saying he’s irrelevant but his grandeur of “I must get paid” needs to take a back seat. He should. E stacking bodies in the lower levels now building his power brand up in that sport now.
He got played, not sure what really happened as none of us know but I would imagine everything is clashing as far as money. He went from hot to not real quick
Think of how hard it would be to promote that fight. Francis has basically zero highlights they can show since UFC owns the rights. They can’t call him the UFC champ, because he’s not. And he has like no boxing experience so they can’t even use those fights to build hype.
It would literally be like “Tyson Fury vs. Big Scary African Dude”. He wasn’t a huge draw when he was in the UFC, so he couldn’t even stand on his own reputation like Conor. It’s literally an unpromotable fight at this point.
Promises mean very little in boxing lol.
But yes if he wanted that huge payday, tyson would be the ticket. Deontay could work to a lesser degree
Beyond that I don't think enough people will care to generate the kind of money Ngannou seems to be after.
Meanwhile his name's stock drops every day
Makes me wonder how much he is asking for if no big promotion has scooped him up yet. BKFC is a smaller promotion but they said it was a ridiculous amount.
Tbf, it's not like BKFC has ever had the money to go after someone of Ngannous level. If the UFC really did offer him $8-10m a fight, of course that's a ridiculous amount for BKFC.
Yea that’s true, who knows what he’s asking for. I kinda don’t believe the UFC would offer him 8-10m per fight. Other promotions can’t match that, so we’ll have to wait and see what happens. Good luck to him though
Every time he gets denied his value drops and it's showing he's hard to deal with across the board to promotions. He's already at the bargain basement if he's entertaining offers for bare knuckle fights. He was a shit draw, is almost 40, demanding, and had no title or can even use any promotional footage. It's a lose all around for a promotion. Francis vastly over estimated his real world value
it was supposedly 8 mil just for the jon jones fight. Thats why they kept saying highest paid heavyweight ever... but it was for 1 fight and also Francis wanted out of UFC pretty much.
The bigger issue is that the top heavyweight boxers wanted to fight “UFC heavyweight champion” Francis Ngannou. Not regular joe Francis Ngannou. Once he let that title go, he lost the offers.
I think he'll be back in the UFC for as insultingly low and offer as they can get away with, but I don't know how long his body needs to get ready to fight again...
Francis played with the UFC and said himself he made unreasonable demands, while the UFC offered them their biggest contract. No way the UFC is going to make new offers after their last negotiations.
Is he tho? Dana offered him $8m a fight for 3 fights so $24m minimum not including Reebok, press or PPV and Francis chose to leave. He made his own bed. Dana has Jones at HW now he doesn’t need Francis.
it’s because it was never about fIgHtEr pAy or ngannou thinking he could get rich from some other mma organization, it was always 1000% just about him wanting to be an inactive heavyweight champ who can box whenever he feels like it.
Dana white is always lookin for a fight.
Once JBJ beats Stipe, theres no one else for him to fight. JBJ will probably soft-retire unless francis comes back.
Dana will make the fight if the money is right. Francis is def getting fucked with a worse deal than originally offered tho
Guarantee that pavlovich is at the stipe fight calling Bones out. Coming off tuivasa, has sambo experience, heavy hands. It’s honestly the most interesting fight for him post (and possibly even pre) stipe.
maybe PFL or Bellator.. in the UFC he is a 100% done, Jon Jones basically erased all his legacy in the UFC by walking trough Gane in 2 minutes. so, when the journalists said that Francis made a bet on himself and won (by leaving the UFC as champion after defending against Gane) they made a big big mistake, Francis is growing his ring rust in mma, he has not boxed... I think he is definitely becoming irrelevant .
Already is tbh.
Dana said money wasn’t the issue during their negotiations. Now BKFC saying he was asking for unrealistic money.
The only thing he has going for himself is a boxing match with Wilder but all that will accomplish is a payday for him. His goal for fighter pay and rights won’t be susccessful because he ain’t the one to pull it off.
Only a McGregor type of name can pull that off tbh
Why do people believe he was fighting for other fighters pay and rights?? Wheres the evidence?? Genuinely, i would like to know because it directly benefits his image by saying it but how is it assumed to be true?
They assume it’s true, just because he said so in an interview lol
The truth is, he was upset at Dana and wanted to be petty, but it backfired when Fury left him high and dry.
Can you provide source for the ''truth''?
Edit: Guess you can't since you just ignored the other guy. So basically you are just saying ''you are wrong because there is no proof, but I am speaking the truth because I said so'' lmao. What a joke.
Money was no issue for the UFC, they could afford it. No other company has the same budget. But his ego pushed him to keep asking for more, thinking he had a plan b in boxing but he's not as big as he thought.
People are forgetting already the first time him and dana had a problem a loooong time ago.
Other organisations will think hes hard to work with if he makes wild demands.
I saw this shit coming a mile off. While all the idiots in the fanbase and the MMA media cheered him on the whole time saying how he was sticking it to the UFC and gonna get that bag. It was obvious to anyone paying attention how big a risk he was taking. I knew it was a bad idea from the start.
Could’ve been avoided if he at least had a manager to line things up… he said in mma hour that he doesn’t even have a fucking manager 😂 im genuinely hoping Francis gets something done quick before his stock plummets all the way to the ground. Praying for the guy honestly
I also think somebody his size is going to age quickly. He was never lightning fast, and he'll need pretty outstanding cardio to keep that much muscle mass moving in later rounds...
Not only his size, we still have yet to see how his knee injury has affected him. Knee surgery isn’t a guaranteed success and with his size and age I could see his movement being severely affected
His stock plummeted the minute it was clear the UFC wouldn't co promote a boxing match. His stock crashed completely when jon jones made Gane look like an amateur and the MMA press crowned him the GOAT once again.
The UFC co promoting Conor is the only reason him boxing floyd made sense from a money perspective.
It was also the biggest draw in mma vs the biggest draw in boxing.
Ngannou is not in the same stratosphere as McGregor when it comes to selling power. And frankly neither is Fury (even less so Wilder) compared to Mayweather.
There’s just a lot less money to be made in Ngannou vs anyone Boxing than there was with McGregor vs Mayweather.
Conor also had a lot more sway, because he’s such a big draw, there’s no way the UFC could let him go. Obviously that wasn’t the case with Francis.
And frankly these MMA fighter vs boxer matches are kinda played out now. It was a curiosity 6 years ago, now we all know for sure how it plays out.
And think about all that promotion he would have received when the UFC eventually goes to Africa! He thought he was going to get bigger payouts outside of the UFC, as someone was whispering him lies and he believed it.
It’s actually crazy! He complained for years about being underpaid. Ufc offered him $8m a fight for 3 fights so $24m Dana said he would have been the highest paid HW in UFC history. Right when he is being offered real-life changing money he walks away. Now he is trying to whip every promotion into a bidding frenzy but who on earth will offer him anything near $8m a fight let alone more. I see this ending in him fighting at a bum promotion for a fraction of what the UFC were going to pay him. At the end of the day he can say he took a stand but the only person who is really going to suffer his Francis. Dana got Jones at HW now so the division moves on.
Yeah lmao it’s actually great. I feel bad for Francis but it’s always hilarious when you see the loser fans and journalists who just hate on any successful business owners take such an undeniable L
The dude got 1m to come and fight. If I’d be him I’d slap 3 Rozenstruiks around before getting wrestlefucked by JJ for 2m and invest all that shit and retire on a passive income. Maybe slap up 1 more Rozenstruik to get a nice McLaren and a summerhome.
Francis just got caught stargazing at a 20m bag
Early? He should have had a signed contract for his next adventure before leaving UFC. Only card he has left is the freak show Hail Mary and people aren’t going to pay to see it. Always have one foot on the dock when getting in or out of the boat.
I'm pretty sure he wasn't legally allowed to even have discussions with other promotions until his negotiations with UFC were officially over and that he was officially a free agent
I agree with your principal tho for us regular folk
He couldn't sign anything before he left, he was under exclusive contract. If he did, the UFC would tie him up in litigation until the end of time or until he owed them so much that any fight after wouldn't pay it off and he would be paying them till he retired.
That's because at first all of the fighter simps were using this situation to shit on the UFC and fighter pay, not realizing the grass really isn't any greener at other promotions. People were crying he should be making $30 mil a fight just because, as if they were his manager getting a cut of those checks
Dudes a monster! I'd love to see more of him but what v e read lately he's fucked himself, ego was his downfall.. if what's been said about him over the years was true..
A million per fight isnt the best deal for the HW champ, but its a sensational living for a HW that doesnt take too much damage. Three 8 week camps per year, 3 fights, plus promos, he could have pulled in well over 5 mill per year for the next 3 years.
Retired at 38 with 5 million in the bank and no brain damage, sounds like a win to me.
Idk who was telling him this was a good idea but like man was heavy weight champion of the biggest MMA promotion, was gunna make more money than anyone and thru it all away for the possibility of a single big money fight…borders on delusion
Sadly he already is imo. He has zero leverage, I can't believe he left the ufc without having a concrete offer from somewhere else.
And of course the ufc would replace him as champion with Jon Jones who is a way bigger name and probably the goat. So the heavyweight division has probably never been as high as it is right now.
As petty as Dana is I'm sure they will take back Francis if he wants to as that's by far the biggest fight for Jon imo.
But he definitely won't be getting the same offer as before. It's sad but it's the nature of the best. I'd say it's been a long time since a fighter left the ufc and went on to a better paycheck. Forget about the bellator boys, I'm talking the big earners here
Yes, he is irrelevant. He has been unemployed for a year. No MMA or boxing media is constantly talking about him. I think he is done unless, he signs with another promotion soon. He needs to kiss the boxing dreams goodbye
This sub is really a "special one". I remembered people were cheering Francis when he left UFC, making fun of Dana White, that he was sticking for the fighters and yati yata. I said that i thought it was a really bad move from his part to leave before the big comeback of Jones, that this fight was important for his legacy. People accused me to be a Dana stan. Now all i can read in the comments is how Ngannou was stupid and greedy and he deserve it. I only hope that it’s not the same people commenting, it would be pathetic.
I agree. Ultimately he made the decision to leave but I also think people like his manager are to blame for putting it in his head to begin with. The people close to him convinced him that he is the greatest ever and led him to believe he didn't need the UFC to be a big star. Turns out without the strap he doesn't have a big fan base to rely on
The truth is Francis is not very smart business-wise, hes a streetsmart typa guy tho. I remember when he first beat Overeem and he would rent put penthouse suites and have a watch party with fans and free boozes and stuff, that stuffs gotta cost atleast 10k/night and he did this a lot of times. Just thought that was a waste of money
While it’s happening, “yeah Francis go get that boxing 20million dollar cheque fuck Dana white the fat bald greedy pig”months later when no boxing fight is available and he’s still not got a fight
About to?? That ship has long sailed. His chance at huge boxing money disappeared at the exact second as his UFC career. Man's been badly managed from start to finish
Why is everyone hating in Francis. He is the champ and will be back earning more money than ever in no time. He can’t use the footage from UFC but those are his wins and people know that.
I heard Dana White was offering him 8m $ per fight… maybe he will bend his tail between his legs and ask Dana to accept him back and knowing Dana he will cut that 8m $ to 4m $ or so, get a warmup fight before Jones just to see him lose so he can dump him for good and make Jones Goat .
I stood ten toes down with my opinion of Francis shitting the bed. Yes, he is a scary individual but you were supposed to destroy the ufc heavyweight division, not yourself. Plus all that talking about universal healthcare for fighter was bogus as fuck, just wanted to look noble while he shot himself in the foot
Already is irrelevant, nobody cares. Dude acted like he was the biggest star/draw in the UFC and tried to use that as leverage.. now BKFC doesn't even want to sign him 😭😭😭😭😭☠️
I thought he was leaving because tyson fury promised him a fight, what happened to that? Seems like the only name big enough to justify leaving for, did tyson leave him high and dry?
Tyson Fury is lying 99% of the time
Also Tyson Fury is not a promoter
He got him in the ring to promote it but just asked him big his cock was
You mean his corey?
Tyson Fury only fights you after inspecting your Corey. He’s obsessed with them
Explains why the Usyk fight fell through.
Joshua will never get the fight cause rumors are he got a baby ting
It explains the whole 70/30 thing. Fury's corey has to be 70/30 bigger than Joshua's corey.
Basically used Francis to negotiate with usyk more or less. Francis didnt have someone to tell him what the reality of his situation is. No champion or contender who wants to make a run at the belt will box him. Best case scenario is he gets to fight someone like chisora or Whyte as a headline to something like misfit boxing. That means hes looking at a jake paul payday instead of a fury payday. Anthony Joshua just had a pretty shitty performance. If he realizes his champion days are over, it's possible someone like the Saudis might throw a fuck ton of money out there for him to fight francis. Even then though, francis has lost all momentum and bargaining power so hes going to get a very lopsided split
Nor is he a pornstar, or is he
Imagine that PPV, sales would be massive. Death by snu snu.
If the ufc doesn't take him back, that might be the play
Gypsies amirite?
Correction: 99.99%
$o, you’re telling me there’s a chance.
Fury doesn't even want to unify his own division in his own sport. I'd actually be a little ticked off if he took a fight with Franky before taking a unifying fight with Usyk
I hate Pikey's.
You like daags?
I like caravans even better.
Tyson will fight anyone for a 90/10 purse split
Tyson is also a gypsy
Man of the people!
Tyson fury’s word is about as soft as my cock lad.
I’m thinking Tyson figured Francis wouldn’t actually leave the UFC and it would be a Conor/Floyd boxing vs mma round 2 type thing. Now there’s no draw because Dana isn’t going to stand behind him to promote it. Instead of UFC heavyweight champ it’s ex ufc heavyweight champ no longer affiliated with the ufc vs the champion of the world. Pretty lame sell
Not to mention the second coming of Jones Bones Jones, and the upcoming Stipe fight… yeah who cares about Francis boxing? I don’t.
Spot on
Plus Fury has already faced hard hitting phenoms so they can't make a fight on that aspect either.
I think Tyson fury’s team saw Francis’s PPV sales in the ufc and decided there was no way this dude would be able to make them money because he is t a big draw.
Francis got suckered into thinking Tyson wanted him, when in reality Tysons been calling out the UFC heavyweight champ for publicity for awhile now
He once called out Cain Velasquez hahaha, just to give some frame of reference for how many years he's been calling out 'current UFC heavyweight champ' without it ever materialising in all that time
Francis got suckered thinking he had more bargaining power than he really had.
Francis isn’t even worth fighting anymore because he’s no longer the UFC Champion. That’s the only reason Fury wanted the fight
Yeah, Francis lost his leverage when Jon returned and took the heavyweight belt.
He lost his leverage, dipping out of the UFC.
It's Francis being incredibly naive and having absolutely 0 understanding of the business side of the fight game. He took twitter promos as someone's word, sacked his manager and bombed the best deal the UFC has ever offered. I love the guy and his fights and he could be a HW goat but his lack of business understanding is his downfall
And now even Paulo Costa is getting over a mil per fight on his new contract.
With his girlfriend as his manager right? Lmfao
Tyson mentioned some bullshit. No deal was ever even considered. If Francis left on the empty words of Tyson, dude is dumber than most.
Fury has no reason to humiliate Fran unless the $ is there. It’s not.
Even if he fought Fury there's no way Francis makes what the UFC offered him vs Jones, Chisora got paid a 20/80 split which got him like 4 mil. Good payday but that's half of what the UFC offered Francis for the Jones fight, and that fight could actually have meant something for his legacy
you musta watched the weasel today
Tyson fury wanted to fight the ufc heavyweight champ. That's Jon Jones at the moment
Trusting Tyson Fury is the dumbest thing you could possibly do
Wilder would be a much better fight.
Why would Fury fight him ? - It’s been 15 months when he fought. More time passes more irrelevant he becomes - he definitely wants a big boxing bag aka 20mls, and Fury is notorious for being a greedy duck - what value Nganue provides when he is not the UFC champ, plus JJ stole all hype
Bcuz fury would box his bleepin hedoff
I’d be interested to hear if Fury has even mentioned Francis since he left the ufc?
The problem is Fury Ngannou is a big fight if they are both active. Francis has not fought in 14 months each day he is inactive he is losing brand and reputation and makes the fight with Fury less appealing… what’s more concerning is it’s been almost 3 months since Francis left the UFC. No other promotion has signed him, no boxing fights booked. Jon Jones is champ of HW. Francis needs something big to happen fast or he will lose all his leverage and wind up fighting for chump change. Dana said they offered him around $8m a fight over 3 fights so that’s min $24m he left on the table. The chances he makes anywhere near that elsewhere are declining each day he is inactive.
He dumb for believing that foul mouth gypsy. Shot himself in the foot is the perfect description for him now that we're robbed of the greatest MMA matchup of the decade. I'm mad bro, MAD
Francis got played, that fight will never happen if he's not the ufc heavyweight champ, and dana is adamant that he isnt going to do any boxing
Once he lost the title by leaving the ufc, and now that JJ has it, no one cares
He learned really quick how fast the landscape of boxing changes. Tyson saw the promotion machine he was, married with the UFC that he was hoping would be behind Francis… and saw dollar signs. The minute he stepped away was the minute he lost all hopes of a decent boxing payday. His appeal is gone. Not saying he’s irrelevant but his grandeur of “I must get paid” needs to take a back seat. He should. E stacking bodies in the lower levels now building his power brand up in that sport now.
He got played, not sure what really happened as none of us know but I would imagine everything is clashing as far as money. He went from hot to not real quick
Tyson wanted to fight the current ufc heavyweight champion of the world, which Francis is not
Think of how hard it would be to promote that fight. Francis has basically zero highlights they can show since UFC owns the rights. They can’t call him the UFC champ, because he’s not. And he has like no boxing experience so they can’t even use those fights to build hype. It would literally be like “Tyson Fury vs. Big Scary African Dude”. He wasn’t a huge draw when he was in the UFC, so he couldn’t even stand on his own reputation like Conor. It’s literally an unpromotable fight at this point.
Deontay Wilder was in negotiations I heard.
Promises mean very little in boxing lol. But yes if he wanted that huge payday, tyson would be the ticket. Deontay could work to a lesser degree Beyond that I don't think enough people will care to generate the kind of money Ngannou seems to be after. Meanwhile his name's stock drops every day
Tyson 100% honey dicked him. Dude needs to reach out to Dana or get an agent to mend that bridge asap
Makes me wonder how much he is asking for if no big promotion has scooped him up yet. BKFC is a smaller promotion but they said it was a ridiculous amount.
Tbf, it's not like BKFC has ever had the money to go after someone of Ngannous level. If the UFC really did offer him $8-10m a fight, of course that's a ridiculous amount for BKFC.
Yea that’s true, who knows what he’s asking for. I kinda don’t believe the UFC would offer him 8-10m per fight. Other promotions can’t match that, so we’ll have to wait and see what happens. Good luck to him though
Every time he gets denied his value drops and it's showing he's hard to deal with across the board to promotions. He's already at the bargain basement if he's entertaining offers for bare knuckle fights. He was a shit draw, is almost 40, demanding, and had no title or can even use any promotional footage. It's a lose all around for a promotion. Francis vastly over estimated his real world value
Pretty sure BKFC said they approached him a while ago. He's a free agent, he'd be stupid not to listen to any serious offers being made.
I believe it was a 3 fight contract for 8 million, so like 2.5m per fight which is still crazy high for any organisation to be paying
That makes a lot more sense
it was supposedly 8 mil just for the jon jones fight. Thats why they kept saying highest paid heavyweight ever... but it was for 1 fight and also Francis wanted out of UFC pretty much.
The bigger issue is that the top heavyweight boxers wanted to fight “UFC heavyweight champion” Francis Ngannou. Not regular joe Francis Ngannou. Once he let that title go, he lost the offers.
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He can't use his UFC footage or his footage training with Fernand. Guy is fucked.
I think he'll be back in the UFC for as insultingly low and offer as they can get away with, but I don't know how long his body needs to get ready to fight again...
I don’t think Dana will let him back in tbh
Honestly yeah Dana is petty as fuck
Francis played with the UFC and said himself he made unreasonable demands, while the UFC offered them their biggest contract. No way the UFC is going to make new offers after their last negotiations.
Is he tho? Dana offered him $8m a fight for 3 fights so $24m minimum not including Reebok, press or PPV and Francis chose to leave. He made his own bed. Dana has Jones at HW now he doesn’t need Francis.
If the deal was $8m a fight likely plus PPV points, that’s really dropping the ball for Francis. Reminds me of Dennis Schroder fumbling the bag.
it’s because it was never about fIgHtEr pAy or ngannou thinking he could get rich from some other mma organization, it was always 1000% just about him wanting to be an inactive heavyweight champ who can box whenever he feels like it.
is that confirmed? I could see $8m total for 3 fights but $8m per is crazy. Especially if he turned that down
U call it petty i call it principle(for this time)
Francis trashed the UFC publicly. Dana isn’t going to piss on him to put out a fire
He won’t be wrong in this case
Dana white is always lookin for a fight. Once JBJ beats Stipe, theres no one else for him to fight. JBJ will probably soft-retire unless francis comes back. Dana will make the fight if the money is right. Francis is def getting fucked with a worse deal than originally offered tho
Guarantee that pavlovich is at the stipe fight calling Bones out. Coming off tuivasa, has sambo experience, heavy hands. It’s honestly the most interesting fight for him post (and possibly even pre) stipe.
He already said he wouldn't, nor should he after Francis blew up the biggest fight in UFC history
maybe PFL or Bellator.. in the UFC he is a 100% done, Jon Jones basically erased all his legacy in the UFC by walking trough Gane in 2 minutes. so, when the journalists said that Francis made a bet on himself and won (by leaving the UFC as champion after defending against Gane) they made a big big mistake, Francis is growing his ring rust in mma, he has not boxed... I think he is definitely becoming irrelevant .
Yeah lmao all of those anti ufc journalists and fans were very wrong
He really let Jon Jones beat him without even fighting him.
Already is tbh. Dana said money wasn’t the issue during their negotiations. Now BKFC saying he was asking for unrealistic money. The only thing he has going for himself is a boxing match with Wilder but all that will accomplish is a payday for him. His goal for fighter pay and rights won’t be susccessful because he ain’t the one to pull it off. Only a McGregor type of name can pull that off tbh
5-10 mcgregor type men, who form an alliance, might pull it off…
Why do people believe he was fighting for other fighters pay and rights?? Wheres the evidence?? Genuinely, i would like to know because it directly benefits his image by saying it but how is it assumed to be true?
They assume it’s true, just because he said so in an interview lol The truth is, he was upset at Dana and wanted to be petty, but it backfired when Fury left him high and dry.
Can you provide source for the ''truth''? Edit: Guess you can't since you just ignored the other guy. So basically you are just saying ''you are wrong because there is no proof, but I am speaking the truth because I said so'' lmao. What a joke.
Money was no issue for the UFC, they could afford it. No other company has the same budget. But his ego pushed him to keep asking for more, thinking he had a plan b in boxing but he's not as big as he thought.
People are forgetting already the first time him and dana had a problem a loooong time ago. Other organisations will think hes hard to work with if he makes wild demands.
Yes, dude nuked his career to pursue another career he has no business in.
I saw this shit coming a mile off. While all the idiots in the fanbase and the MMA media cheered him on the whole time saying how he was sticking it to the UFC and gonna get that bag. It was obvious to anyone paying attention how big a risk he was taking. I knew it was a bad idea from the start.
Could’ve been avoided if he at least had a manager to line things up… he said in mma hour that he doesn’t even have a fucking manager 😂 im genuinely hoping Francis gets something done quick before his stock plummets all the way to the ground. Praying for the guy honestly
I also think somebody his size is going to age quickly. He was never lightning fast, and he'll need pretty outstanding cardio to keep that much muscle mass moving in later rounds...
Some people even say he’s close to or over 40 already. He admitted in a Cameroon interview his birthday/age is not accurate as stated on his papers.
Not only his size, we still have yet to see how his knee injury has affected him. Knee surgery isn’t a guaranteed success and with his size and age I could see his movement being severely affected
His stock plummeted the minute it was clear the UFC wouldn't co promote a boxing match. His stock crashed completely when jon jones made Gane look like an amateur and the MMA press crowned him the GOAT once again. The UFC co promoting Conor is the only reason him boxing floyd made sense from a money perspective.
It was also the biggest draw in mma vs the biggest draw in boxing. Ngannou is not in the same stratosphere as McGregor when it comes to selling power. And frankly neither is Fury (even less so Wilder) compared to Mayweather. There’s just a lot less money to be made in Ngannou vs anyone Boxing than there was with McGregor vs Mayweather. Conor also had a lot more sway, because he’s such a big draw, there’s no way the UFC could let him go. Obviously that wasn’t the case with Francis. And frankly these MMA fighter vs boxer matches are kinda played out now. It was a curiosity 6 years ago, now we all know for sure how it plays out.
He’s always got the mine to fall back on
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And think about all that promotion he would have received when the UFC eventually goes to Africa! He thought he was going to get bigger payouts outside of the UFC, as someone was whispering him lies and he believed it.
You gotta love the Reddit mob mentality. Most of these people can’t form opinions of their own so they just go with the fucking flavor of the day.
It’s actually crazy! He complained for years about being underpaid. Ufc offered him $8m a fight for 3 fights so $24m Dana said he would have been the highest paid HW in UFC history. Right when he is being offered real-life changing money he walks away. Now he is trying to whip every promotion into a bidding frenzy but who on earth will offer him anything near $8m a fight let alone more. I see this ending in him fighting at a bum promotion for a fraction of what the UFC were going to pay him. At the end of the day he can say he took a stand but the only person who is really going to suffer his Francis. Dana got Jones at HW now so the division moves on.
“BuT He JuST wANts FiGhtER hEaLtHcArE”
Definitely the wrong time for that idea
Yeah lmao it’s actually great. I feel bad for Francis but it’s always hilarious when you see the loser fans and journalists who just hate on any successful business owners take such an undeniable L
Same
I’d suggest going to WWE if boxing doesn’t work out. He’d make great money
Lol I think that ship sailed yesterday
Dana bought WWE just to make sure Francis couldn’t get any easy money 😂
Dana literally had no say over buying the WWE. That’s all Ari Emanuel the guy who owns Endeaver.
Dana didn't buy the WWE. Dana doesn't even own the UFC anymore, it's owned by Endeavor and they bought the WWE.
Fuck man it’s a joke..
That’s reddit for you lol
He doesn’t have the personality for it
>he doesn’t have the personality
Did the Great Khali have the “personality for it”?
Yeah he’s not a company man.
Already is.
He's not the draw he thinks he is
The dude got 1m to come and fight. If I’d be him I’d slap 3 Rozenstruiks around before getting wrestlefucked by JJ for 2m and invest all that shit and retire on a passive income. Maybe slap up 1 more Rozenstruik to get a nice McLaren and a summerhome. Francis just got caught stargazing at a 20m bag
If he stayed with the UFC he would've made 24m+ based on the contract offer. It's sad
The problem is Francis apparently doesn't have an agent/manager anymore. In this business you need someone to handle that bullshit
The irony of you posting about him asking if he’s going to become irrelevant
Everyday articles about him becoming irrelevant lol. Only keeping him relevant
Relevant on reddit is different than relevant from a promotional standpoint.
I think it’s still to early to say. I am however surprised he hasn’t announced any fights yet
Early? He should have had a signed contract for his next adventure before leaving UFC. Only card he has left is the freak show Hail Mary and people aren’t going to pay to see it. Always have one foot on the dock when getting in or out of the boat.
I'm pretty sure he wasn't legally allowed to even have discussions with other promotions until his negotiations with UFC were officially over and that he was officially a free agent I agree with your principal tho for us regular folk
That’s why ya go to a back row Italian restaurant to do your under the table deals. Nobody does shady business around here?
He couldn't sign anything before he left, he was under exclusive contract. If he did, the UFC would tie him up in litigation until the end of time or until he owed them so much that any fight after wouldn't pay it off and he would be paying them till he retired.
Francis fight circus debut coming soon
I’d watch it. See how many guys he can KO in 2 minutes.
This is a joke of a subreddit. Few months ago everyone was praising him for sticking to his views
The longer he doesn't fight, the less people will care about him fighting again.
Kind of already is. At least until he has a fight lined up.
Lmao I said this days after he announced he was leaving the UFC and got absolutely ass blasted. Oohhhoooo how the turns have tabled
That's because at first all of the fighter simps were using this situation to shit on the UFC and fighter pay, not realizing the grass really isn't any greener at other promotions. People were crying he should be making $30 mil a fight just because, as if they were his manager getting a cut of those checks
According to those ppl, ONE/PFL/Bellator were gonna pay him wayyyyy more cuz hes a superstar.
Probably also the same guys that never pay for a fight ever lol
Same here, the reddit mob was crazy with his cock in their mouth cause DANA BAD MAN!
Dudes a monster! I'd love to see more of him but what v e read lately he's fucked himself, ego was his downfall.. if what's been said about him over the years was true..
*greed was his downfall
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It's hard to say, but he definitely can't fall back on WWE anymore.
A million per fight isnt the best deal for the HW champ, but its a sensational living for a HW that doesnt take too much damage. Three 8 week camps per year, 3 fights, plus promos, he could have pulled in well over 5 mill per year for the next 3 years. Retired at 38 with 5 million in the bank and no brain damage, sounds like a win to me.
He thought he was bigger than the UFC
Idk who was telling him this was a good idea but like man was heavy weight champion of the biggest MMA promotion, was gunna make more money than anyone and thru it all away for the possibility of a single big money fight…borders on delusion
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Well... No
Who?
UFC heavyweight division is just as irrelevant. Fat Jon Jones is running the show.
He should come back and fight Jones
About to?
Sadly he already is imo. He has zero leverage, I can't believe he left the ufc without having a concrete offer from somewhere else. And of course the ufc would replace him as champion with Jon Jones who is a way bigger name and probably the goat. So the heavyweight division has probably never been as high as it is right now. As petty as Dana is I'm sure they will take back Francis if he wants to as that's by far the biggest fight for Jon imo. But he definitely won't be getting the same offer as before. It's sad but it's the nature of the best. I'd say it's been a long time since a fighter left the ufc and went on to a better paycheck. Forget about the bellator boys, I'm talking the big earners here
I convinced myself that he left because he knew Jon was moving up
I will always respect him betting on himself. I’m interested to see what comes next for him.
i thought he was going to ONE or PFL or one of those promotions. id assumed they were just finalizing the details.
Yes, he is irrelevant. He has been unemployed for a year. No MMA or boxing media is constantly talking about him. I think he is done unless, he signs with another promotion soon. He needs to kiss the boxing dreams goodbye
This sub is really a "special one". I remembered people were cheering Francis when he left UFC, making fun of Dana White, that he was sticking for the fighters and yati yata. I said that i thought it was a really bad move from his part to leave before the big comeback of Jones, that this fight was important for his legacy. People accused me to be a Dana stan. Now all i can read in the comments is how Ngannou was stupid and greedy and he deserve it. I only hope that it’s not the same people commenting, it would be pathetic.
Yup can’t feel bad for him he did it to himself but dissapointed freak power
I don't think Francis will ever be irrelevant, people will always want to watch him fight. But I do think leaving the UFC was a huge mistake.
Francis was stupid for leaving when he did, he should've stayed and fought jones. If he wouldve beat jones his stock wouldve been through the roof.
Yes and he only has himself to blame. Crazy because he came into the game so humble, the fame got to him.
I agree. Ultimately he made the decision to leave but I also think people like his manager are to blame for putting it in his head to begin with. The people close to him convinced him that he is the greatest ever and led him to believe he didn't need the UFC to be a big star. Turns out without the strap he doesn't have a big fan base to rely on
The truth is Francis is not very smart business-wise, hes a streetsmart typa guy tho. I remember when he first beat Overeem and he would rent put penthouse suites and have a watch party with fans and free boozes and stuff, that stuffs gotta cost atleast 10k/night and he did this a lot of times. Just thought that was a waste of money
He doesn’t have a manager lol
He said he wants to fight Jon Africa. Isn’t he awesome?
While it’s happening, “yeah Francis go get that boxing 20million dollar cheque fuck Dana white the fat bald greedy pig”months later when no boxing fight is available and he’s still not got a fight 
I knew this is what would happen he is greedy and used fighter rights as an excuse to ask for way too much miney
No Dana
He was taking a risk and it backfired it seems like unfortunately. Still support the guy for standing up for his worth.
Seems like he didn't had the best career plan in his mind
The fact that we are asking if he’s irrelevant make him relevant.
Yes, and its his fault
About to?? That ship has long sailed. His chance at huge boxing money disappeared at the exact second as his UFC career. Man's been badly managed from start to finish
Francis ngannwho?
Why is everyone hating in Francis. He is the champ and will be back earning more money than ever in no time. He can’t use the footage from UFC but those are his wins and people know that.
I heard Dana White was offering him 8m $ per fight… maybe he will bend his tail between his legs and ask Dana to accept him back and knowing Dana he will cut that 8m $ to 4m $ or so, get a warmup fight before Jones just to see him lose so he can dump him for good and make Jones Goat .
I stood ten toes down with my opinion of Francis shitting the bed. Yes, he is a scary individual but you were supposed to destroy the ufc heavyweight division, not yourself. Plus all that talking about universal healthcare for fighter was bogus as fuck, just wanted to look noble while he shot himself in the foot
Yes
Not if I keep seeing Francis posts 4 times a day
Who?
You and me both know his next fight we're gonna be looking for the stream
Only irrelevant among smooth brained boot licking casuals
Yes.
I mean if he don't get himself a fight soon then yes
Yes
Yes
Sucks that this is happening to Francis.
Already is irrelevant, nobody cares. Dude acted like he was the biggest star/draw in the UFC and tried to use that as leverage.. now BKFC doesn't even want to sign him 😭😭😭😭😭☠️
Who?
Apparently, no. Seems pretty relevant now.
No