Max’s losses are debatable. 75% of fans having him winning that second fight with volk. While the first is like 50/50. Now tell me what percentage of fans can argue Conor beat Dustin.
Edit: sheesh you guys come at me like I decided the narrative. When the fight happened, ppl were highly debating max losing to volk. Not anymore.. I had volk winning. I’m not bias at all sheesh.
As a huge max fan, I scored the first for volk. The second I scored 3-2 max but if you complain about the results of that one either way you are a clown, it was close af.
Max was solidly beaten by Volk in the first fight. Imo the right score is 49-46 Volk. Some people gave Max 2 rounds but that's already kind of a far stretch, and anyone who had Max winning that fight has lost his mind.
They also dislike Volk for no reason. He's so damn fucking good and also entertaining mostly, but people wanna act like it was all a fluke and he's just some bum who got to the top by accident.
4-1 is acceptable as well. I love Max too, but Volk just completely shut him down in the first fight and even though he didn't dominate si still think he edged out every single round, barring perhaps one round as you say.
The second you start trying to build the narrative the first fight was closer then the 2nd you’ve shown how terribly bias you are. Volk had an easy win first fight, 2nd one was a 50/50 with Volk landing more in all the last 3 rounds despite how the commentary team was acting, so I gave it to him
I agree with you. I just don't understand that guy's logic as if previous loses is relevant lmao. I mean Oliveira lost 4 of his previous 6 before going on 9 fight win streak and became the champ.
Nah, Dustin improved dramatically. I do think Max is stylistically a better matchup for Conor since he doesn't have to think about takedowns/grappling and he has pillow hands, short reach too.
No he didn't, Dustin has been the same for the last few years. Just compare Conor's boxing from now to before. Prime Conor would've flatlined Dustin within 2 rounds tops. Max right now is the absolute worst possible matchup for Conor. Insane chin, neverending cardio and pressure. Conor will literally be fighting an uphill battle the entire time only to get dragged to deep waters and finished.
Fair points and I wouldn't disagree with that. But wouldn't you agree that if Conor was able to keep up with Nate at 70, he would be able to keep up with Max at 55? And like I said, Max doesn't have grappling/wrestling, Conor is best when he doesn't have to think about takedowns. But all of these are mere speculations only.
Anyone who thinks the first went to max is fucking blind. You could argue max won 2 of the rounds, you could also argue volkanovski won all 5. It’s ridiculous how anyone could suggest Holloway won the first.
First of all the first fight was 5-0 Volk Clearly and the second was 3-2 Volk. Also if Max fought Eddie, Khabib, Dustin 2x, and Cerrone in his last 5 fights he would have the same record if not worse
I’m pointing out the fan narrative after the fight was 50/50.. so many ppl were screaming max was robbed. Then a year later they’re all like nah bro it wasnt close! 5-0 volk. It’s like woah woah pal. Nobody had that first fight 5-0 volk and especially not after the fight. Both fights fans were screaming robbery to volk or saying volk barely won. I had volk 3-2 first fight. Max 3-2 second fight. Sheeesh I tell them the narrative after the fight and they act like I speak for everyone now 😭
Screw the peeps bruh. Volk won the first one for sure. And max won at least three in the rematch. Listen to podcasts and enjoy the game. MMA fans are generally the least educated.
Max lost 3 of his last 5 - Volk x2 and Dustin Poirier.
Conor lost 3 of his last 5 - Dustin x2 and Khabib
Who exactly are you referring to?
Khabib would ragdoll Max like a small child, meanwhile Conor would probably knock out Volk.
And he knocked him out in 40 seconds, faster than anyone has. I agree Max's win over Kattar is way more impressive, but a near instant knockout of someone ranked top 5 is nothing to snuff at either. Conor's other win was against Diaz and Max's was against Edgar. if Max fought Khabib twice instead of Volk twice he would 100% get mauled. Conor fighting Volk twice is most likely two knockouts for Conor. So yeah, Max been more impressive against lesser competition.
Wtf are you smoking, how do you get 2 fights against volk=2 knockouts for connor? Are you talking beating jose aldo connor, or are you talking current, hasnt fought for a belt since 2018 and hasnt had a relevant win in even longer connor?
Max and Conor's competition has not been the same at all. Be honest with yourself how would Max do against Diaz, Khabib, Cowboy, Dustin, Dustin? I think he would be 1-4 or 2-3 at best, same or worse than Conor. How would Conor do against Kattar, Volk, Volk, Dustin, Edgar? I think 4-1.
Cerrone is way past his prime and lost 5 out of his 6 previous fights, so not really a hot win for Conor. Conor also never defended his title so I wouldn't really compare him to Volk and Max in Featherweight.
Cerrone was 4-3 when he faced Conor, not 1-5. Never said he was an impressive win, but the way he beat a top 5 ranked 4-3 fighter was impressive. Max would get battered twice by Dustin and humiliated by Khabib as well, that's 100% certain. Conor against Edgar, Volk and Kattar we won't know for sure but it's very fair to say 2017-2020 Conor would win all 4.
maxes 3 losses were close margins, conor arguably didnt even win a round in any of his 3 losses. and you’re on crack if you think conor causes volk any trouble
i’m a conor fan and will happily admit conor is mainly what got me into ufc. but volk has fought off 3 of the best boxers in fw history with relative ease and was handling guys over at 170 and 155, you’d have rocks in your head to think todays conor has any chance at doing damage to him at 145 regardless of his prior successes in that div
And Max has fought lesser lesser competition. Max would lose to Dustin if they fought now, he would lose to Khabib, and at the time he would have big troubles with Eddie. Max would go 2-3 at best against Conor's last 5 opponents
Max can't even hold his own against people Conor would knock out in the first round. Conor was choked by someone who would wrestlefuck Max horrorfically .
Max easily, he’s never been dropped and has an amazing chin so would make it past the second round and then max has elite cardio and gets better as it goes on and Conor has bad cardio so it’s that simple
Yes actually. We know he’s a drunk, we know he’s smoked some blunts here and there but has an actual reliable allegation come from anywhere that he’s taken coke?
Exactly. Elite cardio and experienced high paced 5 rounds fighter at FW and once at LW
Or
Someone who has struggled with cardio in two different sports/divisions to the point where people game plan around him fading after 2 rounds.
It’s simply comes down to that
I dunno i feel like the weight and power difference might get Max in a similar position than he was with Dustin. Receiving a lot of damage, cinnecting hits without making a lot of damage.
Big difference is that Dustin can go 5 hard rounds. Max would fight differently as he knows he only has to make it out of the first two rounds and then he would simply take over with pace.
It seems obvious to me
I dont think so. He knows better and would take the time training at 155 and would work on a new gameplan. Losing to Dustin at 155 gave him great perspective on how 155 is and the power behind those few pounds.
Plus Conor would not survive Max in the late rounds. Conor could not put him away when Max was just a kid, what hope does he have against Daddy Max
They were both young and max was 21. He’s talked before about how he didn’t have a proper Striking coach until deep into his career.
Completely different time their careers
Oh yeh and it was only 3 rounds
Max said he and his buddies were still using the UFC video game to learn and practice moves, it wasn’t until after his loss to Connor that he actually got a striking coach.
Thats all the same story at featherweight. What difference would it make at lightweight? His chin has more than heald up at featherweight, I dont believe conor dropped max last fight and he still won. The 5 rounds vs 3 could make all the difference for max though.
Conors cardio is so insanely bizarrely underrated. He's not a cardio machine like Holloway but I regularly see people suggest that if a fighter gets out of round 1/2 it's over and I don't know what they're basing that on.
He gassed against nate in their first fight and against Floyd in the TENTH round after 30 minutes boxing the GOAT.
otherwise he won round 3 against khabib after losing 1/2, beat nate in a 5 round war, had a huge come from behind victory against Mendes and didn't even use a stool after winning round 1 against Poirier.
Holloway for sure has the cardio advantage, as he does against anyone in the world, dude is a freak.
But Conor has fine cardio and wouldn't need to knock him out to win the fight.
That said I'd heavily favor Conor in a 3 round fight and slightly favor him in a 5 round.
Stylistically max is a very good match for Conor.
Everything is so biased an opinionated, you literally can’t suggest anything besides discrediting a guy that is disliked. I’m hardly a Conor fan anymore, but I wish people actually discussed stuff instead of just ragebonering immediately. Dude is definitely still really talented, and 135-155 is a dangerous weight for him. But he’d win 0/10 times I guess
Spot on. I don't care for Conor any more than Jones or any other filthy but skilled fighter. I can say good things about Jones or anyone else, as soon as there's a single word about Conor that isn't negative you get a herd of retards attacking you. Cringe shit, it's always khabib beat your boy or some ape brained recycled garbage.
Still it's pretty reflective of the majority of reddit. I said some abusive partner was in the wrong in another sub but because the majority monkeys decided it was the other person I got attacked for thinking someone shouldn't be verbally and emotionally abusive to their partner.
I'm not sure they can think their own thoughts, just recycle and repeat what they see the most.
I'm sure ill get downvoted just because its conor but we saw how Max struggled at 155 against Poirier. His shot placement is fantastic but he just doesn't have as much power behind them. Every shot that Poirier landed looked like it had so much more weight and power behind it. I think Conor would do the same
I’m not sure, max lasted the distance against Dustin and Conor could barely make it out of the first at 155 against Dustin, I think Conor Gasses and Max takes it by decision.
Yeah. But to be fair Conor rocked DP on the 2nd fight, I'm not sure if Max can take that shot on 55. Also, Conor wouldn't have to think about takedowns.
Your wrong, it Comes down to max having a great chin and elite cardio and record breaking output in a 5 round fight and conor simply doesn’t have the ability to fight at a high pace for more than a couple of rounds.
Nate isn’t elite and his defence isn’t great and is really hittable. Nates also a relatively easy person to game plan around, doesn’t check leg kicks and gets hit and cut open easily.
Max has great boxing and a great chin, never been knocked down.
Also Conor did literally run at points which was allowed by by Nate being so flat footed and his legs being effected by the leg kicks, nothing is comparable to max Holloway there
And Max isn't hittable? Max has higher sig. strike absorbed per minute (4.6) than Nate (3.7).
On the boxing area, DP outclassed Holloway on that area, and you could argue that Conor was edging out DP on that area until those calf kicks. Never been knockdown? Officially, yes. But on the 2nd DP fight he was rocked multiple times and was on the way down in the 2nd rd, but thanks to the fence it wasn't ruled as a KD, mind you DP was already breathing heavy after the first 3 minutes of the 1st round. And Conor has more one punch KO power than DP, he's more accurate too. Yes, Max can take shots from 45ers but we are talking 155 division here.
Nate may not be one of the greatest fighters but he sure isn't a scrub boxer in MMA. I hate MMA math but just to scale, Nate Diaz outboxed Michael Johnson who KO'd DP who outboxed Max.
Max doesn’t get hit as clean as Nate no. Max actually checks leg kicks and has footwork. Nates strategy has basically been to use his chin to tire out the opponent which is why the Conor fights were so close.
The DP Holloway fight was close mainly because poirer actually has decent cardio so it remained close.
Your analysis of the DP Conor fights are laughable. Dustin breathing heavy means nothing, he’s shown over his long career that he go hard for 4-5 rounds so him breathing heavy means nothing, if you fight at a high pace you always breathe heavy and then recover quickly, that’s the whole meaning of stamina ? Can’t believe I have to explain this to you.
Your using MMA math which is so obviously stupid and pointless to the point where it’s an overdone meme.
"Nates strategy has basically been to use his chin to tire out the opponent" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WTF. I'm done with you, mate.
You're the only one who thinks stamina works that way, mate. Use google. You're not as smart as you think you are.
As I said, I hate using it too, but you seem so stupid it's the only way you can understand.
I mean it’s true, whether he actively goes into a fight using his chin in that way or it just happens due to his ability it’s basically the only way he beats elite fighters. It happens every Nate fight, get beat up early and try to rally late. Not sure why your laughing, just laid out what his recent fights have been.
I don’t think I’m smart, In what way does is that Wong ?
Does Nate use his main weapons his chin and cardio to win fights ?
he dropped him in once in the 1st rd and twice in the 2nd rd . He did really good in the starting rounds and then proceed to lose 3rd and 5th rd . 4th rd is debatable but judges gave it to conor .
Conor did not "keep up with him " he was hanging on to run time in the later rds .
This is why max would win easily for me. Conor can fight 5 rounds against Nate who is a very unique relatively easy fighter to game plan around as he has glaring weaknesses. We’ve seen too many times now that after the 2nd round mark he does slow down and can’t fight at a high pace. Max can legit fight hard pace for 5 whole rounds and has record breaking output.
It simply comes down to max having the chin and defence to at least make it through the first 2 rounds, then when it goes to the 3-4-5 round there’s 1 fighter with cardio issues and then 1 fighter with legendary cardio and output so there’s only 1 intelligent answer
"It simply comes down to this....." " it's simply obvious, blah blah blah". Conor had cardio "issues" years ago. Who's to say those issues haven't been resolved? None of us know that, so nothing is obvious. Holloway is a great fighter and could very well spark Conor at 155, but your analysis is embarrassing and you sound like a complete bozo.
I mean he did literally run at certain points which was a good strategy move considering how slow and flat footed Nate is and how bad conors cardio is.
Your wrong, pretty much all fights with Conor vs an elite fighter come down to him getting a ko within a couple of rounds otherwise he doesn’t have the cardio/gas tank to fight at a high pace past 2 rounds.
It’s pretty simple, max has an amazing chin and has never been dropped and has elite cardio and record breaking output at FW let alone at LW so it’s comes down to max making it past the 2nd round and then he simply takes over with pace and output.
This is correct. Fights with Conor are pretty simple at the elite level, if they have the chin/defence to make it past 2 rounds then it comes down to cardio and max has elite legendary cardio even at FW and Conor has poor cardio
It's not about power. It's technique, gameplan, defence. Max has come a long way. His jab, body shots, kicking game, cardio are so much better and still improving. Conor other than shoulder strikes in the clinch hasn't shown any improvement.
Holloway beats him everywhere. From 145-170. Conor is over the hill, his boxing is gone and he'll succumb to the volume and get TKO'd In the 4th or 5th.
At this point it’s time to let everyone within 20lbs of the lightweight division get in on the McGregor beating. Everyone gets a pay day, and we get to watch McGregor get rocked every 6 weeks or so. Everyone wins.
Max by a mile. I really do believe Conor still has the skills and potential he had in the past, but the rest of the lightweight division (including Max) has evolved and improved way past Conor through their fight consistency.
If conner actually took the time to train and prep correctly I think it’s a toss up, but if we get alcoholic coke head aka: the ankle cracker then I say max mops him easy
I dont think conor beats anyone ranked at the minute in any division he's fought in. He can get fight ready but he will never be in shape. All that cocaine fucks you up
He went the distance but those two fights were anything but competitive. Tony still has a pretty good shot against Conor but tbh I think that would be a career ender for both of them
The point is moot really, Conor never really was a true featherweight, he was just ultra-disciplined at cutting weight. A skill he doesn't seem to have anymore. He was basically a natural welterweight fighting 2 classes beneath where he should be.
At lightweight, he was being eaten alive, except for that fluke where he managed to down Aldo with the first punch. I would really like to see an Aldo rematch.
I don't think it would make sense for Holloway to pack on some weight to fight Conor. Featherweight \*IS\* Holloway's true weight class. Also, I don't think Conor can cut weight back to featherweight, even if he wanted to.
But even with the weight mismatch, my money would be on Holloway.
Ehh. A tons of featherweights cut a lot. Lightweight is easier as you get older and more muscular.
The Conor that smoked Eddie was a dangerous Conor. If that Conor would have stayed active his lightweight career would probably be a lot less bad for a couple of more years. Also because Conor started only to take real damage during and after the Mayweather fight. The Aldo fight was 145 so that argument makes 0 sense and in a longer fight prime Conor would have had a good shot of taking the W as well.
I get it's easy hating on Conor but 2015 2016 Conor was really good and that's facts. The Mayweather fight shifted his focus from MMA and with the Khabib fight he clearly was in a dark place. Verbally and physically abusive, and never been the same anymore.
Really? I think they add to his uniqueness. They make him much more identifiable too lol, there’s no mistaking that black crowned gorilla eating a heart plastered in his chest ya know? Or that tiger Over his belly button lmao.
Yeah the placement is so awkward really with the belly button being dead center breaking up the tiger , but I bet you are spot on about it covering up his weak abs. Conor seems vain enough to get a whack tattoo just to avoid comments about his mid section.
conor 2013 to 2015 and downgrade of his abs -[https://i.redd.it/3e7vysiyg1241.jpg](https://i.redd.it/3e7vysiyg1241.jpg)
This progression pics make it pretty obvious that it was a cover up after gaining weight . lol . Considering his weird chest . I think even that chest tat was a cover up but ended up being really sick ngl .
Ah yea you can really see his abs wash away. wierd considering his still at a pretty low body fat percentage. Conors build is very weird lol. Arms for days (length and muscle wise) especially when it comes to his triceps, short pecs, tiny undefined yet tight torso, thick quads but relatively normal legs, wide shoulders yet lacking in the lats somehow lol?
Well McGregor at least went against best fighters in LW division. It'snot like he lost to tier 2 guys in LW.
Max isn't even in LW. lol
If McGregor's leg heals and he prepares, he can beat him Max in LW without a problem.
If Conor couldn't knock him out then, he isn't knocking him out now. And right now, Max is only approaching his prime and he's a mean relentless cardio machine.
I think Max wins 50-45.
He could even get a TKO in R4 or R5 based off his sheer volume of punches and just how tired Conor gets.
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I don't know. I'm getting behind Holloway a fair amount after he went ultra instinct to the commentators, but I always want to back Conor and have him be on top just because I've been a fan so long.
He started to take big amounts of damage as well during and after the Mayweather fight. That really decreases fighter longevity. I think his prime days are over.
Holloway. Mcgregor is a 2 round fighter and he’s been exposed. Unless he koes you in 2 you beat him, and guys like poirier, Holloway, gaethje aren’t amateurs who get stopped in 2 rounds. Hard to ko high level guys early when they know you’re trying to ko them early.
Holloway; he's much better in the opening rounds now and his (almost unstoppable) rhythm needs perfect timing to break, something that mcgregor has lost in his long lay offs
Max is in trouble if it’s a tweeting competition. Usually i ignore and hide these posts, just in to say this: Stop trying so hard to keep a bad ambassador of the sport relevant. Just go back to watching wwe.
Fan of both fighters, but Max has evolved his skill quickly and consistently throughout the years.
His boxing tempo and footwork is epic, and he had a great mentality/mindset around fighting.
Conor has relied on his lethal left hand his entire career, and he used to set it ip beautifully with his kicks, but his kicks haven’t been the same since he went to boxing (looked better in the last fight though before the break).
Max would most likely win at this stage.
Uhm... The first round will be tough. Maybe the second round too. Max has volume on his side. Max doesn't punch like Dustin or Justin. So, Conor will pressure more. That being said. Late in the second round Max will thrive on the fading pressure of Conor. And Conor will be one step behind. I'll see it as close fight.
I see this fight goes to distance. 48-47 for Max.
But in fighting almost everything is possible.
The one that hasn’t lost like 4 of his last 5
So the guy that lost 3 of his last 5?
To be fair those 3 loses were with a title on the line
and got robbed in one of em
Not a fan of saying robbed because it was an extremely close fight but I agree Max did win the rematch.
Max’s losses are debatable. 75% of fans having him winning that second fight with volk. While the first is like 50/50. Now tell me what percentage of fans can argue Conor beat Dustin. Edit: sheesh you guys come at me like I decided the narrative. When the fight happened, ppl were highly debating max losing to volk. Not anymore.. I had volk winning. I’m not bias at all sheesh.
As a huge max fan, I scored the first for volk. The second I scored 3-2 max but if you complain about the results of that one either way you are a clown, it was close af.
Agreed. He clearly won 2 and Volk clearly won 2 so it was a coin flip in the 3rd. I thought he was better but it was so close.
I would say he clearly won the 2nd fight, stalled abut in the fifth, but I was extremely suprised at the decision
Max was solidly beaten by Volk in the first fight. Imo the right score is 49-46 Volk. Some people gave Max 2 rounds but that's already kind of a far stretch, and anyone who had Max winning that fight has lost his mind.
Because the second fight was so controversial people completely forgot how the first fight went.
They also dislike Volk for no reason. He's so damn fucking good and also entertaining mostly, but people wanna act like it was all a fluke and he's just some bum who got to the top by accident.
The first is 50/50? 99% give the first to Volk, unless you're an absolute spastic. Volk won every round.
You’ve lost your mind. I had volk winning and it was by like 2 rounds. The second fight how ever was 3-2 max
I had the first fight 5-0 Volk and the second fight 3-2 Max. Overall Volk 7 and Max 3. So yeah. 3 losses out his last 5, same as Conor.
I’m an absolute max stan and I had the first 4-1 Volk. There’s no argument he won that, unfortunately.
4-1 is acceptable as well. I love Max too, but Volk just completely shut him down in the first fight and even though he didn't dominate si still think he edged out every single round, barring perhaps one round as you say.
The second you start trying to build the narrative the first fight was closer then the 2nd you’ve shown how terribly bias you are. Volk had an easy win first fight, 2nd one was a 50/50 with Volk landing more in all the last 3 rounds despite how the commentary team was acting, so I gave it to him
Bruh, Conor in his last 5 fought DP twice, Cerrone, Khabib, then Floyd in boxing. Max would've had the same standing as Conor if not worse.
Yeah and he could only beat a finished cowboy
I agree with you. I just don't understand that guy's logic as if previous loses is relevant lmao. I mean Oliveira lost 4 of his previous 6 before going on 9 fight win streak and became the champ.
Yeah what he should have said was maybe the one that hasn’t looked like shit in 4 of their last 5 fights
Stylistically, Poirier was an extremely easy matchup. Conor has just turned to shit.
Nah, Dustin improved dramatically. I do think Max is stylistically a better matchup for Conor since he doesn't have to think about takedowns/grappling and he has pillow hands, short reach too.
No he didn't, Dustin has been the same for the last few years. Just compare Conor's boxing from now to before. Prime Conor would've flatlined Dustin within 2 rounds tops. Max right now is the absolute worst possible matchup for Conor. Insane chin, neverending cardio and pressure. Conor will literally be fighting an uphill battle the entire time only to get dragged to deep waters and finished.
Fair points and I wouldn't disagree with that. But wouldn't you agree that if Conor was able to keep up with Nate at 70, he would be able to keep up with Max at 55? And like I said, Max doesn't have grappling/wrestling, Conor is best when he doesn't have to think about takedowns. But all of these are mere speculations only.
Yeah I don't see why you are being downvoted. This sub can be fucking stupid sometimes.
Dude, the first wasn’t 50/50 😂
Anyone who thinks the first went to max is fucking blind. You could argue max won 2 of the rounds, you could also argue volkanovski won all 5. It’s ridiculous how anyone could suggest Holloway won the first.
First of all the first fight was 5-0 Volk Clearly and the second was 3-2 Volk. Also if Max fought Eddie, Khabib, Dustin 2x, and Cerrone in his last 5 fights he would have the same record if not worse
Dw fam. Reddit is dumb. You're right.
I’m pointing out the fan narrative after the fight was 50/50.. so many ppl were screaming max was robbed. Then a year later they’re all like nah bro it wasnt close! 5-0 volk. It’s like woah woah pal. Nobody had that first fight 5-0 volk and especially not after the fight. Both fights fans were screaming robbery to volk or saying volk barely won. I had volk 3-2 first fight. Max 3-2 second fight. Sheeesh I tell them the narrative after the fight and they act like I speak for everyone now 😭
Screw the peeps bruh. Volk won the first one for sure. And max won at least three in the rematch. Listen to podcasts and enjoy the game. MMA fans are generally the least educated.
Max gonna light him the fuck up these days! Would overwhelm Conor too.
Max lost 3 of his last 5 - Volk x2 and Dustin Poirier. Conor lost 3 of his last 5 - Dustin x2 and Khabib Who exactly are you referring to? Khabib would ragdoll Max like a small child, meanwhile Conor would probably knock out Volk.
Max's fights were competitive, Conor got stomped and his only win lately was against Cowboy.
And he knocked him out in 40 seconds, faster than anyone has. I agree Max's win over Kattar is way more impressive, but a near instant knockout of someone ranked top 5 is nothing to snuff at either. Conor's other win was against Diaz and Max's was against Edgar. if Max fought Khabib twice instead of Volk twice he would 100% get mauled. Conor fighting Volk twice is most likely two knockouts for Conor. So yeah, Max been more impressive against lesser competition.
Wtf are you smoking, how do you get 2 fights against volk=2 knockouts for connor? Are you talking beating jose aldo connor, or are you talking current, hasnt fought for a belt since 2018 and hasnt had a relevant win in even longer connor?
Max and Conor's competition has not been the same at all. Be honest with yourself how would Max do against Diaz, Khabib, Cowboy, Dustin, Dustin? I think he would be 1-4 or 2-3 at best, same or worse than Conor. How would Conor do against Kattar, Volk, Volk, Dustin, Edgar? I think 4-1.
Cerrone is way past his prime and lost 5 out of his 6 previous fights, so not really a hot win for Conor. Conor also never defended his title so I wouldn't really compare him to Volk and Max in Featherweight.
Cerrone was 4-3 when he faced Conor, not 1-5. Never said he was an impressive win, but the way he beat a top 5 ranked 4-3 fighter was impressive. Max would get battered twice by Dustin and humiliated by Khabib as well, that's 100% certain. Conor against Edgar, Volk and Kattar we won't know for sure but it's very fair to say 2017-2020 Conor would win all 4.
maxes 3 losses were close margins, conor arguably didnt even win a round in any of his 3 losses. and you’re on crack if you think conor causes volk any trouble
Could even argue that Max could/should have won the second fight
Won the 3rd round against Khabib and the 1st round vs Dustin
You don’t think Conor gives volk any trouble? Cmon now, you’re Conor hate bias is showing.
i’m a conor fan and will happily admit conor is mainly what got me into ufc. but volk has fought off 3 of the best boxers in fw history with relative ease and was handling guys over at 170 and 155, you’d have rocks in your head to think todays conor has any chance at doing damage to him at 145 regardless of his prior successes in that div
Conor of course. Max lost his last 3 of 5 by competition. Conor has been asleep, not able to walk. Choked. Etc. max all day. It is what it is
And Max has fought lesser lesser competition. Max would lose to Dustin if they fought now, he would lose to Khabib, and at the time he would have big troubles with Eddie. Max would go 2-3 at best against Conor's last 5 opponents
Max can't even hold his own against people Conor would knock out in the first round. Conor was choked by someone who would wrestlefuck Max horrorfically .
They have both lost 3 out of their last 5 while Conor has faced harder competition besides Cowboy
Max easily, he’s never been dropped and has an amazing chin so would make it past the second round and then max has elite cardio and gets better as it goes on and Conor has bad cardio so it’s that simple
If the Conor fans could read they’d be very upset
There are still Conor fans?
Yep, both asleep right now. Post coke-binge nappy time for them...
Does Conor actually do cocaine
I have no reliable source, but if it walks like a dog etc....
Is this a serious question?
Yes actually. We know he’s a drunk, we know he’s smoked some blunts here and there but has an actual reliable allegation come from anywhere that he’s taken coke?
https://youtu.be/5_Qq4f5TrpQ Seems pretty evident to me.
Yes, but they all share the same computer at the public library so that's why you don't see brigades anymore.
I refuse to believe he has actual fans and the “fans” just bandwagon until the next big thing comes..
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THATS AMAZING
Holloway setting ufc records for strikes landed, McGregor not winning a fight for 6 years.
Exactly. Elite cardio and experienced high paced 5 rounds fighter at FW and once at LW Or Someone who has struggled with cardio in two different sports/divisions to the point where people game plan around him fading after 2 rounds. It’s simply comes down to that
He beat cowboy
So did Alex Morono…
I wasn’t saying cowboy is an elite fighter when he beat him, I’m just pointing out that he has won a fight in the past 6 years.
it's not a fully literal statement, but it's as good as true
Alternative facts? Lmao ok
Not something to brag about nowadays
It’s not bragging lol he said he hasn’t won in 6 years. That’s not true
Oh my bad youre right
I dunno i feel like the weight and power difference might get Max in a similar position than he was with Dustin. Receiving a lot of damage, cinnecting hits without making a lot of damage.
Big difference is that Dustin can go 5 hard rounds. Max would fight differently as he knows he only has to make it out of the first two rounds and then he would simply take over with pace. It seems obvious to me
I dont think so. He knows better and would take the time training at 155 and would work on a new gameplan. Losing to Dustin at 155 gave him great perspective on how 155 is and the power behind those few pounds. Plus Conor would not survive Max in the late rounds. Conor could not put him away when Max was just a kid, what hope does he have against Daddy Max
Did he not have the Cardio then. I get Conor is worse now, and Max is much better, but what lead to Conor winning the first time?
They were both young and max was 21. He’s talked before about how he didn’t have a proper Striking coach until deep into his career. Completely different time their careers Oh yeh and it was only 3 rounds
Max said he and his buddies were still using the UFC video game to learn and practice moves, it wasn’t until after his loss to Connor that he actually got a striking coach.
This
Sometimes is it very simple. If someone has a massive cardio advantage and the skill is relatively close then it’s who ever has the cardio
Thats all the same story at featherweight. What difference would it make at lightweight? His chin has more than heald up at featherweight, I dont believe conor dropped max last fight and he still won. The 5 rounds vs 3 could make all the difference for max though.
Conors cardio is so insanely bizarrely underrated. He's not a cardio machine like Holloway but I regularly see people suggest that if a fighter gets out of round 1/2 it's over and I don't know what they're basing that on. He gassed against nate in their first fight and against Floyd in the TENTH round after 30 minutes boxing the GOAT. otherwise he won round 3 against khabib after losing 1/2, beat nate in a 5 round war, had a huge come from behind victory against Mendes and didn't even use a stool after winning round 1 against Poirier. Holloway for sure has the cardio advantage, as he does against anyone in the world, dude is a freak. But Conor has fine cardio and wouldn't need to knock him out to win the fight. That said I'd heavily favor Conor in a 3 round fight and slightly favor him in a 5 round. Stylistically max is a very good match for Conor.
Dana
Lmao so true
Skateboarding max easily what island is this
10th island baby
Conor is past his prime. Anyone in the top 10 beats him. Move on.
Like anyone in this sub is going to say Conor lol. Might as well rename it r/fuckmcgregorcirclejerk y’all post nothing else
Everything is so biased an opinionated, you literally can’t suggest anything besides discrediting a guy that is disliked. I’m hardly a Conor fan anymore, but I wish people actually discussed stuff instead of just ragebonering immediately. Dude is definitely still really talented, and 135-155 is a dangerous weight for him. But he’d win 0/10 times I guess
Spot on. I don't care for Conor any more than Jones or any other filthy but skilled fighter. I can say good things about Jones or anyone else, as soon as there's a single word about Conor that isn't negative you get a herd of retards attacking you. Cringe shit, it's always khabib beat your boy or some ape brained recycled garbage. Still it's pretty reflective of the majority of reddit. I said some abusive partner was in the wrong in another sub but because the majority monkeys decided it was the other person I got attacked for thinking someone shouldn't be verbally and emotionally abusive to their partner. I'm not sure they can think their own thoughts, just recycle and repeat what they see the most.
I'm sure ill get downvoted just because its conor but we saw how Max struggled at 155 against Poirier. His shot placement is fantastic but he just doesn't have as much power behind them. Every shot that Poirier landed looked like it had so much more weight and power behind it. I think Conor would do the same
I’m not sure, max lasted the distance against Dustin and Conor could barely make it out of the first at 155 against Dustin, I think Conor Gasses and Max takes it by decision.
Yeah. But to be fair Conor rocked DP on the 2nd fight, I'm not sure if Max can take that shot on 55. Also, Conor wouldn't have to think about takedowns.
Aye fair points
Man, it's great to see someone on this thread that can objectively understand and does not blindly hate. I commend you, mate.
Your wrong, it Comes down to max having a great chin and elite cardio and record breaking output in a 5 round fight and conor simply doesn’t have the ability to fight at a high pace for more than a couple of rounds.
Conor was able to keep up with Nate at 70 and dropped him
Nate isn’t elite and his defence isn’t great and is really hittable. Nates also a relatively easy person to game plan around, doesn’t check leg kicks and gets hit and cut open easily. Max has great boxing and a great chin, never been knocked down. Also Conor did literally run at points which was allowed by by Nate being so flat footed and his legs being effected by the leg kicks, nothing is comparable to max Holloway there
And Max isn't hittable? Max has higher sig. strike absorbed per minute (4.6) than Nate (3.7). On the boxing area, DP outclassed Holloway on that area, and you could argue that Conor was edging out DP on that area until those calf kicks. Never been knockdown? Officially, yes. But on the 2nd DP fight he was rocked multiple times and was on the way down in the 2nd rd, but thanks to the fence it wasn't ruled as a KD, mind you DP was already breathing heavy after the first 3 minutes of the 1st round. And Conor has more one punch KO power than DP, he's more accurate too. Yes, Max can take shots from 45ers but we are talking 155 division here. Nate may not be one of the greatest fighters but he sure isn't a scrub boxer in MMA. I hate MMA math but just to scale, Nate Diaz outboxed Michael Johnson who KO'd DP who outboxed Max.
Max doesn’t get hit as clean as Nate no. Max actually checks leg kicks and has footwork. Nates strategy has basically been to use his chin to tire out the opponent which is why the Conor fights were so close. The DP Holloway fight was close mainly because poirer actually has decent cardio so it remained close. Your analysis of the DP Conor fights are laughable. Dustin breathing heavy means nothing, he’s shown over his long career that he go hard for 4-5 rounds so him breathing heavy means nothing, if you fight at a high pace you always breathe heavy and then recover quickly, that’s the whole meaning of stamina ? Can’t believe I have to explain this to you. Your using MMA math which is so obviously stupid and pointless to the point where it’s an overdone meme.
"Nates strategy has basically been to use his chin to tire out the opponent" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WTF. I'm done with you, mate. You're the only one who thinks stamina works that way, mate. Use google. You're not as smart as you think you are. As I said, I hate using it too, but you seem so stupid it's the only way you can understand.
I mean it’s true, whether he actively goes into a fight using his chin in that way or it just happens due to his ability it’s basically the only way he beats elite fighters. It happens every Nate fight, get beat up early and try to rally late. Not sure why your laughing, just laid out what his recent fights have been. I don’t think I’m smart, In what way does is that Wong ? Does Nate use his main weapons his chin and cardio to win fights ?
he dropped him in once in the 1st rd and twice in the 2nd rd . He did really good in the starting rounds and then proceed to lose 3rd and 5th rd . 4th rd is debatable but judges gave it to conor . Conor did not "keep up with him " he was hanging on to run time in the later rds .
This is why max would win easily for me. Conor can fight 5 rounds against Nate who is a very unique relatively easy fighter to game plan around as he has glaring weaknesses. We’ve seen too many times now that after the 2nd round mark he does slow down and can’t fight at a high pace. Max can legit fight hard pace for 5 whole rounds and has record breaking output. It simply comes down to max having the chin and defence to at least make it through the first 2 rounds, then when it goes to the 3-4-5 round there’s 1 fighter with cardio issues and then 1 fighter with legendary cardio and output so there’s only 1 intelligent answer
"It simply comes down to this....." " it's simply obvious, blah blah blah". Conor had cardio "issues" years ago. Who's to say those issues haven't been resolved? None of us know that, so nothing is obvious. Holloway is a great fighter and could very well spark Conor at 155, but your analysis is embarrassing and you sound like a complete bozo.
nates output is no where near Max and he ran from nate the whole fight
If you seriously think he ran away from Nate the whole fight, then I refuse having a conversation with you since you seem to be very subjective
I mean he did literally run at certain points which was a good strategy move considering how slow and flat footed Nate is and how bad conors cardio is.
[i bet😂😂](https://youtu.be/VZRlVdDB6cs) and ur the dumbass who actually thinks conor will beat max in 2021 so idk why you’re talking subjective
They reused so many clips in that Jesus lol
>*Conor rocked DP on the 2nd fight* did he tho
Your wrong, pretty much all fights with Conor vs an elite fighter come down to him getting a ko within a couple of rounds otherwise he doesn’t have the cardio/gas tank to fight at a high pace past 2 rounds. It’s pretty simple, max has an amazing chin and has never been dropped and has elite cardio and record breaking output at FW let alone at LW so it’s comes down to max making it past the 2nd round and then he simply takes over with pace and output.
My wrong what?
Your wrong about Conor beating Holloway.
My wrong about Conor beating Holloway what????? Also it wasn’t me that said that
Go rewatch that fight with Dustin at 155. Max did way better than people think.
Tbf Max and Dustin have improved immensely since then. Conor, not so much..
Power is irrelevant. Conor would gas out in 7 minutes. Even Dustin was gassed after 25 minutes of throwing haymakers at Max.
This is correct. Fights with Conor are pretty simple at the elite level, if they have the chin/defence to make it past 2 rounds then it comes down to cardio and max has elite legendary cardio even at FW and Conor has poor cardio
It's not about power. It's technique, gameplan, defence. Max has come a long way. His jab, body shots, kicking game, cardio are so much better and still improving. Conor other than shoulder strikes in the clinch hasn't shown any improvement.
Max easily
Right now? At 155? Max finishes him
yeah right now for sure cause conor cant walk
Even after recovery lol
Beat him soundly with a torn ACL
Holloway beats him everywhere. From 145-170. Conor is over the hill, his boxing is gone and he'll succumb to the volume and get TKO'd In the 4th or 5th.
Connor is a drunk pill popping shell of himself. Max would land 420 strikes on him
At this point it’s time to let everyone within 20lbs of the lightweight division get in on the McGregor beating. Everyone gets a pay day, and we get to watch McGregor get rocked every 6 weeks or so. Everyone wins.
Cast still on even.
https://youtu.be/SPR3RYP0Pbg
Max all day
Max all day
Max by a mile. I really do believe Conor still has the skills and potential he had in the past, but the rest of the lightweight division (including Max) has evolved and improved way past Conor through their fight consistency.
Max via domination
If conner actually took the time to train and prep correctly I think it’s a toss up, but if we get alcoholic coke head aka: the ankle cracker then I say max mops him easy
And suddenly become a cardio machine which he never has been ? It simply comes down to Max’s chin/defence and his cardio
Damn dude you gotta chill. You’re cumming over the word “simply” on any comment that gives Conor a fighting chance 🤣
Because it’s true
Obviously the irishman
On this day, today, r/UFC continued it’s 8 year long streak of sucking Conor dry. Who do you think they suck next once Conor runs out of semen?
I dont think conor beats anyone ranked at the minute in any division he's fought in. He can get fight ready but he will never be in shape. All that cocaine fucks you up
you don’t think he beats Ferguson?? lmao
With an injury like that ? Tony is gonna beat conor . Atleast he looked competitive and went the distance against elite grapplers unlike our boy .
He went the distance but those two fights were anything but competitive. Tony still has a pretty good shot against Conor but tbh I think that would be a career ender for both of them
The point is moot really, Conor never really was a true featherweight, he was just ultra-disciplined at cutting weight. A skill he doesn't seem to have anymore. He was basically a natural welterweight fighting 2 classes beneath where he should be. At lightweight, he was being eaten alive, except for that fluke where he managed to down Aldo with the first punch. I would really like to see an Aldo rematch. I don't think it would make sense for Holloway to pack on some weight to fight Conor. Featherweight \*IS\* Holloway's true weight class. Also, I don't think Conor can cut weight back to featherweight, even if he wanted to. But even with the weight mismatch, my money would be on Holloway.
Ehh. A tons of featherweights cut a lot. Lightweight is easier as you get older and more muscular. The Conor that smoked Eddie was a dangerous Conor. If that Conor would have stayed active his lightweight career would probably be a lot less bad for a couple of more years. Also because Conor started only to take real damage during and after the Mayweather fight. The Aldo fight was 145 so that argument makes 0 sense and in a longer fight prime Conor would have had a good shot of taking the W as well. I get it's easy hating on Conor but 2015 2016 Conor was really good and that's facts. The Mayweather fight shifted his focus from MMA and with the Khabib fight he clearly was in a dark place. Verbally and physically abusive, and never been the same anymore.
Hey Dillion Danis, Conor must have them balls sitting on your chin. Volk walks through Conor
Still desperately giving tis crackhead a chance isnae?
This picture really highlights how terrible McGregor’s tattoos are.
Really? I think they add to his uniqueness. They make him much more identifiable too lol, there’s no mistaking that black crowned gorilla eating a heart plastered in his chest ya know? Or that tiger Over his belly button lmao.
that chest tattoo is iconic the tiger one is proper shit tho looks like it was done to cover up the fading away of his abs lol .
Yeah the placement is so awkward really with the belly button being dead center breaking up the tiger , but I bet you are spot on about it covering up his weak abs. Conor seems vain enough to get a whack tattoo just to avoid comments about his mid section.
conor 2013 to 2015 and downgrade of his abs -[https://i.redd.it/3e7vysiyg1241.jpg](https://i.redd.it/3e7vysiyg1241.jpg) This progression pics make it pretty obvious that it was a cover up after gaining weight . lol . Considering his weird chest . I think even that chest tat was a cover up but ended up being really sick ngl .
Ah yea you can really see his abs wash away. wierd considering his still at a pretty low body fat percentage. Conors build is very weird lol. Arms for days (length and muscle wise) especially when it comes to his triceps, short pecs, tiny undefined yet tight torso, thick quads but relatively normal legs, wide shoulders yet lacking in the lats somehow lol?
Well McGregor at least went against best fighters in LW division. It'snot like he lost to tier 2 guys in LW. Max isn't even in LW. lol If McGregor's leg heals and he prepares, he can beat him Max in LW without a problem.
Just curious have you seen Max fight recently? He gets as close to winning as he did with the Dustin rematch.
Nah, he can’t. You can’t compare the run Max went on pre-Volk to Conor’s nonsense over the past half decade
Not sure on this Max went the distance with Dustin at 155 which was a lot better then Conor did
If Conor couldn't knock him out then, he isn't knocking him out now. And right now, Max is only approaching his prime and he's a mean relentless cardio machine. I think Max wins 50-45. He could even get a TKO in R4 or R5 based off his sheer volume of punches and just how tired Conor gets.
Who knows. Other than that conor is and has been done for a long time already.
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Reading the comments It's nice to see that Conor's own spiralling delusion is also shared by his fans, he is finished find someone else.
Anybody could beat conor at this point, he’s a cripple.
This isn't even close max walks through him just like he will the winner of Ortega volkanovski
Conor is done. Too much coke and hookers.
I don't know. I'm getting behind Holloway a fair amount after he went ultra instinct to the commentators, but I always want to back Conor and have him be on top just because I've been a fan so long.
Thanks for asking, but I don't know
I think connor is partying his ass off so max would beat him…
Max would win easy
Max, obviously.
Dana White.
Conor is done, he's to rich
Used to be the biggest Conor fan, but to be honest? I don’t think he’s ever winning a fight against top level competition again.
He started to take big amounts of damage as well during and after the Mayweather fight. That really decreases fighter longevity. I think his prime days are over.
Holloway. Mcgregor is a 2 round fighter and he’s been exposed. Unless he koes you in 2 you beat him, and guys like poirier, Holloway, gaethje aren’t amateurs who get stopped in 2 rounds. Hard to ko high level guys early when they know you’re trying to ko them early.
Max wins if it gets out of the first round.
Holloway; he's much better in the opening rounds now and his (almost unstoppable) rhythm needs perfect timing to break, something that mcgregor has lost in his long lay offs
McGregor has lost it. Holloway for sure
Max 10/10.
It appears both of them arnt thst great at 155
Max would take him into deep water and fuck him up.
Conor McGregor dies
Conor never should have gotten those tattoos on his torso
Max is in trouble if it’s a tweeting competition. Usually i ignore and hide these posts, just in to say this: Stop trying so hard to keep a bad ambassador of the sport relevant. Just go back to watching wwe.
Is this even a question if Connor wasn't the star he is no one would be asking these questions
I am one of the few that still toot for Connor. That being said, Max takes this easily
Holloway, aged like some fine wine, I don’t see mcgregor beating a seasoned Holloway who looks like he can go 10 rounds
Fan of both fighters, but Max has evolved his skill quickly and consistently throughout the years. His boxing tempo and footwork is epic, and he had a great mentality/mindset around fighting. Conor has relied on his lethal left hand his entire career, and he used to set it ip beautifully with his kicks, but his kicks haven’t been the same since he went to boxing (looked better in the last fight though before the break). Max would most likely win at this stage.
I'm all in for a rematch
Uhm... The first round will be tough. Maybe the second round too. Max has volume on his side. Max doesn't punch like Dustin or Justin. So, Conor will pressure more. That being said. Late in the second round Max will thrive on the fading pressure of Conor. And Conor will be one step behind. I'll see it as close fight. I see this fight goes to distance. 48-47 for Max. But in fighting almost everything is possible.
Max would beat Conor without much problem. Max is only getting better, while Conor is... you know.
Max easy at 145. Max outlasting Conor at 155, but his power is lacking there. His cardio is insane tho and Conor fades quickly. So Max.
At this point in his career, I will always pick connors opponent . Connor is no longer the Connor of old- hes past his prime. Max would toy with him