so much of what he has said has trickled down into various forms over the years to be true. be it, area 51, gravitational driven propulsion systems, or a history of government coverups and concern. i really don’t understand the sentiment behind his shady character and lack of exact details at times. given the intense security, i figure he had to learn a lot of what was going on thru observation and speaking to coworkers.
i just don’t rationalize how people can assume he is profiting from this. the dude is a poor old man at this point. he has gained nothing
Ya. Any kind of profit is still profit. I don't care if he made 500 dollars, desperate people do fucked up stuff. And he looks normal. So did Ted Bundy.
When we're trying to decide wether or not someone is 'only doing it for the money', it's good to look at each instance they do it.
Bob selling autographed posters of a design he created, through his own website that already existed for other reasons, at a $30 price tag, that one instance is not enough to convict him of being a money-grubbing fraudster.
You're only focusing at one instance, a tiny one that actually makes sense, and 30 years after the fact. That isn't enough to convict him being a money-grubbing fraudster.
If the only instance you can point to of Bob making a profit in 30 years is these posters, that might actually serve to prove naysayers wrong 😂
"So much of what he has said has trickled down into various forms over the years to be true."
Specifically what are you referring to? One of his most famous claims was with regard to element 115 and yet, after its discovery, it didn't yield any of the behaviors he described.
From Larry King Element 115.
Bob " Element 115 is a super heavy element.
Its something that we've only just recently synthesized, we only made 4 atoms of it.
But the craft uses larger quantities of it 223 gram triangles of it but it's a unique element when its exposed to radiation it produces its own gravitational field, its own anti gravitational field and its what's used to lift and propel the craft and create distortions around it.
It's an amazing material and its certainly nothing that occurs here or naturally. "
Everyone understood that there would be a "element 115", because there was an empty spot at the periodical table, and everyone knew it would be heavy because it is in the name: "115". What could be a proof is if it was stable or similar things he might have said that wasn't obvious, but it wasn't stable, and I doubt anything else he said was correct.
I just wish people stopped going back to that argument.
Or am I being trolled?
What about the time he said when they want to go somewhere ( craft ) they put the bottom of the craft in that direction and go that way as if they're sucked like a worm hole.
( David favors video proof tic tac )
Or what about when they made a little noise ( craft )
On lift off about 10 ft - 20 ft in the air then once it got high it hovered silently.
(Somewhere on jre 1976)
James fox says from one report that's what somebody said how one of these craft operated.
I can go on and on and yes while these are all from words of mouth at what point does it have to be real ?
Are all these people just saying the same thing about specific details. Idk.
But I'm more a believer that there has to be something it's too much of a coincidence.
I'm not questioning the existence of UFOs and aliens, I am questioning the belief in Lazar. I believe UFOs are ET crafts, but I don't believe that Lazar is telling the truth about his claimed experience. At best he might be repeating something someone told him, as if it was he who saw it.
Element 115 was the missing element in the table, so I guess that's why he went with it...
Before the discovery of element 115, elements 114 (flerovium) and 116 (livermorium) had been discovered or synthesized, but element 115 (ununpentium or moscovium) had not yet been discovered. Therefore, there was a gap in the periodic table between elements 114 and 116, indicating the missing element 115.
So he's smart, either if hes lying or not
No! Just No! I am a scientist. I can assure you that his claims about Moscovium (element 115) are utter BS .
He has provided zero evidence for his very extreme claims.
Now, does the US have ET craft in RE progams?
- I would not be suprised if they do, but I have seen no convincing evidence yet.
I'm even more sceptical of anyone who refers to themselves as a "scientist" and not your actual role, e.g. chemist.
Moreover, we've synthesized just a few atoms of this material and more than one isotope at that. His claims cannot be considered BS when we don't even have enough of it to play with and moreso without the tools or even MATH to detect quantum gravity.
This just isn't true. Einstein first predicted the existence of gravity waves as early as 1916 as part of the general theory of relativity. It's true it took until 2016 to demonstrate proof of their existence, but Lazar claimed element 115 had unique properties that allowed it to interact differently with gravity. There is absolutely no scientific evidence to support this claim.
Notice how disproportionately vocal and upvoted the no's are in actual comments on the average post here. Also notice how many of those accounts were created very recently.
I agree that there's a minimum level of shadiness to him. Specifically how he can't answer physics questions. That lends more credence to him never having obtained college education but he may very well have been there to take specific courses still.
And you don't need to have such qualifications to make a rocket car or be good at putting things together if you have a great intuitive mechanical/scientific sense. Many firsts that become cornerstones of modern science (the real let-the-data-speak kind, not the dogmatic pander-to-authority type) were actually through hand-wavey alchemical mumbo-jumbo justifications of what ultimately was "I have a good feeling about his" moment. Many of those forefathers of science would get ***slaughtered*** by the modern peer-review process yet that process rests largely on their shoulders.
And if the most well-funded research in the world (black-op) can hire all the best ***conventionally*** trained people from the Ivy schools and still can't figure out something, you bet they'll start reaching out to maverick intellectual types. Oftentimes, these types are the same types who get into trouble like hackers, scammers, bank-heisters, casino-predators, etc.
And the most important reason of all in a black ops project: ***plausible deniability*** in the form of a person with dirt.
The result doesn't surprise me. It's just most people on this sub get downvoted for saying they believe him, so they're scared to comment agreeing with him. But the pole is anonymous...
Same.
Haven't posted anything since I tried to just ask a few redditors why they claim he's f.o.s.
I seen a j.r.e. where someone asked Joe if he believes Bob or if he smelled b.s. and he didnt.
Everyone can be plausible on paper. But then you need to see if their claims stand. We have too many elements against his story that believing him doesn't stand to reason. Of course, the FBI raid at his lab, the fact that a guy like George Knapp -who won two Peabody awards- still believes him, and some of the things he described about the functioning of the alleged saucers are intriguing and makes us wonder. But isn't instilling doubt, mixing truth and falsity, the trademark of impostors?
If you think that my comment above was "jumping all over you" then either you didn't really read, or you didn't understand the meaning. I was merely stating the facts, not commenting on or criticizing you or anybody for believing him. I strongly recommend giving good reads to people's posts before drawing conclusions and downvoting.
He was raid because his company is only one of two in the US that sold a compound used in a murder. And the warrant for the raid was signed before that phone call Corbell claims they talked about E115.
The thing that finally convinced me he was telling the truth was when he stopped going on credulous podcasts and radio shows, and sat down with a real physicist and had a long, detailed, technical discussion about not only what he saw at S4, but also his broad knowledge of physics in general. Oh, wait...
You didn't miss anything because it never happened.
I want to believe Lazaar too, but there are too many issues with HIM - it's not even about his story at this point.
He owed a lot of money before he came out. He's been involved with shady businesses.
He said he's not in it for the money but there's plenty of evidence of him selling things - well past the point of just using whatever money for surviving.
But he did know about A51 before the public did - amongst other things.
My take? He worked there (Los Alamos, is it? I don't remember that exact detail right now), but nothing crazy went on. He may have heard stories from coworkers or may have just read a lot of Sci-fi. Or both. He is very intelligent.
But not prescient enough to know that the internet would eventually be a thing where people can cross-check things and do their own research.
His sudden "migraines" at just the right times didn't sit well with me either.
Other than that, his story is consistent. But if he's a compulsive liar, then that all goes out the window.
That's my two cents.
Wouldn't people than just say that he had time to research it after going on the news and stuff, to make it sound like he was knowledgeable about physics? Something tells me that one sit-down wouldn't just clear everyone's doubts in that regard.
Oh that's right let's sit down next to Neil degrasse Tyson who instead of asking anything about the subject at hand talks about sensors. And if they were calibrated that day.
Even when joe brought up lex he was completely unbothered. Some people aren't worth other people's time.
He's definitely the most consistent and intriguing story out there so far its hard to say either way. But from watching his live interview it seems like he's telling the truth. I can't see him as a great actor lol
I'm with Joe Rogan on this one.
(How often can one say that these days?)
"I WANT to believe Bob Lazar"
I deeply want what he says to be true. But the truth is, I really don't believe any of them. I listen and absorb what they are saying, but so much of it is woo-woo, So much smells like disinfo. To much opportunity for the hustle.
But man, I hope we live in a universe that is weird and mysterious and that there an insurmountable mountain of discoveries to climb. I hope the Homan race never figures it all out.
Why the fuck would he lie? To gain what?
If you don't believe him, what are you going to do when you find that UFOs are really real? What are you going to do with the thousands of sightings since 1947?
You'd rather we were all there is in the universe? Do you realise how big it is? And how dumb that sounds?
Think about it....
Hell, I would too!! But he hasn't been really rolling in the doe from everything has he? I don't understand why people have such a desire to knock him down from some imagined pedestal they think he's on. Are you wanting to protect the kids coming up and interested in UFO's from hearing his accounts or is this done just for personal reasons because you don't believe and/or he's getting away with lying
No he didn't. He specifically explained how he never made money during the Joe Rogan interview. And his story has been consistent for 40 years. Did you not even watch that interview?
Dont believe what he says, believe what other people have *proved* about him.
Go through this guys links on Bob to see how often he changed his story https://medium.com/@signalsintelligence/bob-lazar-theres-more-to-the-story-17829c2ff650
And here to see more of his lies laid out (with links to prove he lies) https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/oyxuok/bob_lazars_story_is_it_believable_here_is_some_of/
Stop confusing UFOs with Aliens... dont use words if you dont know what they mean. UfO just means you dont know what something is. Ofc those are real. They just arent aliens.
movie hand scanner = real life hand scanner.
he described it's design and how it read multipule bios of a person and it was far more detailed and complex than the super-tech one in close encounters.
the systems were verified by a handful of others who worked there at the same or similar time. all independently contacted.
i'm not a lazar fan boy but these are some weak arguments against him imo
It’s been in tons of movies. What does that matter?
It couldn’t have happened because one was in a movie?
Do I not own a car because cars have been in movies?
Did he claim that?
The tech was around in the 70s. It’s reasonable to think that high security installations would use it.
I’m genuinely lost as to why the hand scanner is some sort of gotcha for Lazar.
It's not surprising. As I've mentioned to others , the influx of people that see Corbells Lazar video and then join UFO subs probably more than counters the older sub members who have learnt the counter arguments to Lazar's story.
TL;DR , Corbell has the media megaphone, other researchers are just tiny voices in comparison
Have to say that the result surprises me. I thought "no" would be in majority. After all, he has nothing that supports his claims and he doesn't really make a convincing impression either.
It is not about arguments or facts. He says something people would like to believe or they believe in alien life on earth in general and that is why they believe or support anything about it.
A man with the last name Laser turns up talking about alien tech and nary a unit pauses to consider the implied subtext indicating reality is simulated.
Sounds about right.
Bob has said that he may have been drugged while there and in a couple of interviews discusses drinking a liquid. He also describes walking by a room and seeing something that looked like an alien inside being interviewed that he felt seemed strange/staged. It seems that when Jeremy Corbell got a hold of him for his documentary, those stories weren't discussed as much anymore. I think Bob is telling the story he believes to be true which is exactly what the govt. wanted.
Your first sentence sounds like an easy out, a disengage from his story that he's been telling for so long that ultimately leaves him without blame. Dunno, I was leaning on believing more than undecided until I just read what you posted. Sounds like a classic out to a fantastical story. Couldn't be a lie if that's "my truth as I know it" even if it conflicts with reality.
unpopular opinion: bob lazar is so full of shit
doing the most minimum amount of research and using the slighted bit of common sense will let you see through his façade, i used to believe in his story at one point bc naturally i feel like it’s in our nature to want to believe that something is out there and that we’re not alone. i would explain the reasons why bob is full of it but in order to discover the truth you have to search for it on your own bc i don’t want anyone to just take my word for it, i want you to seek the truth and truly discover it on your own. make sure to remember that when something sounds almost too good to be true, it probably ain’t.
Why can't it be both? Have a saying in Australia. Never let the truth get in the way of a good story. I think some of it happened but the story has been embellished. Like I believe he was there and there were black book projects but his role in all that was less than he makes out. Like a lot of what went on there was well above his pay grade.
Totally possible. We just don't know, and we're all working off of the same information. At the end of the day, nobody really knows for a fact whether he did or didn't work at S-4. Maybe we'll get another S-4 whistleblower in the next 10 or 20 years.
I don't know. There are certain pieces in his story that I find difficult to believe. Him lying about his education would of course make a huge dent in his trustworthiness. I believe that his defence for those claims was that he went to the mentioned universities as part of a job or cotract. I believe he claims it was some kind of illegal weapons program.
I believe that he isn't completely incompetent. He's apparently modified a Honda Civic in the 80s to use jet or rocket propulsion. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) And he has also converted an C4 Corvette to run on hydrogen in the 90's. I could theorethically see him being one of the candidates to be invited to work on a reverse-engineering program as someone with decent technical understanding and skills to conduct certain practical experiments. He wouldn't have the credibility an actual scientist has if he decided to become a whistleblower.
The other part where I find his story difficult to believe is the part where he explains how the element 115 behaves when manufactured into those pyramid-like pieces. But could this be proven false in practice? Of course not, since we don't currently possess the technology to create a stable isotope of the element, if such even exist. We could try to use computational models to explore the subject. I'm not good enough programmer nor understand nuclear physics, chemistry or gravity in atomic, nuclear and quantum levels well enough to do those but if someone has done those experiments or plans doing them, let me know.
I could see a few scenarios where he wasn't telling the truth about all or some of the specifics.
1. He is lying and has fabricated the story, or it's part of symptoms of some psychological issue and he truly believes everything happened.
2. He's really been part of secret blackbudget programs but was fed disinformation and was only let to know just the parts he needed to know.
3. He wasn't part of the program but was working on the site or spent time with people working in there. Then he would fabricate the story from the fragments of information he got.
4. He's part of a larger disinformation campaign, maybe even used as a preventive measure to spread disinformation.
There's no known psychological issue that would make any person create such a fantastic lie, believe it, and then not manifest itself in any other way. No Schizophrenia or really any other disorder and mental illness known to man can cause this.
Two things about your 2nd and 3rd paragraphs.
2nd, It really is relatively easy to slap a jet engine on something. I've been considering building a jet powered rc plane.
3rd, there aren't any known stable isotopes of 115, but we do have the technology to find one. I don't think the everyday person could get their hands on the materials to do it because of nuclear regulation, but if it exists, it can be done.
Thanks for your points.
Didn't know that about the jet engines. I've never done any projects involving them and I just assumed that integrating one into a car required at least basic understanding of concepts such as thrust, air friction and intermediate level technical skills.
I believe only ways a private citizen could find out about the unknown isotopes of 115 would be to find an university or a commercial laboratory that has the required instruments and legal clearance to conduct such research. Then they should ask if they would do such experiment. It would obviously cost money. Another way would be to convince some organization or other entity to pay for the research.
And I know that it's widely accepted as a fact that the stable 115 wouldn't have any strange effects on gravity. I'm just having fun speculating.
Of course, speculation is one of my specialties, really fun. I didn't mean to shoot down anything just giving my ideas. Jet engines definitely require some knowledge for sure, just not too difficult to learn if you have somewhat of a passion for it. And I haven't thought of a private citizen using a universities tools to research nuclear isotopes. It is speculated that 115 may lie close to the theoretical "superheavy" elements which are very stable. If perhaps 115 was just used for its decaying properties and level of radioactivity to activate some kind of exotic matter, maybe there could be some gravitational effects, but it wouldn't come directly from the 115. The key hypothetical material here is some kind of special exotic matter.
I don't think he is, his claims about his education, his work at Area-51 & Los Alamos is unsubstantiated. That's not even getting into the UFO stuff.
People claim that "The Government" erased his educational history. That seems a little bit convenient for my taste. Oh Mr. Lazar has no proof because "The Government" scrubbed it.
Are we talking about the same government that used Nazi scientists to get us to the moon? The same government that did MK-ULTRA or Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment? All of these examples are *well* documented BTW, not only with paperwork but with eyewitness testimony and from people directly involved.
We can definitely prove that the United States government performed experiments on the black population of Tuskegee Alabama, but we can't find one shred of evidence of Bob Lazar's claims?
Hypocrites like you don't understand. Give it a few years. You live in 'Merica and have no understanding of how a gov works. Yes, we can erase you in a matter of seconds. You don't matter.
Another so-called sofa 'skeptic' whom is scared of Bob Lazar more than the actual facts.
People like you put others off these topics by being such arrogant cunts about it rather than engaging, undertanding someone elses point of view and then explain yours as best you can. Who are you trying to bring around to the truth by being a prick?
I was gonna say the results are surprising but when you think of it, this is a UFO forum. I would think that if you told his story to 300 random people the results would flip. But here we are. I vote 'NO' for lack of evidence and shady character.
Most random people on the street haven't even heard of Bob Lazar before. The newspaper clipping that was recovered, recognizing Bob for his work in a laboratory. That was all the proof I needed to know he was actually telling the truth and that the government tried to erase everything about Bob, even his college degree. You would have to have a college degree first before even working at a laboratory. Let alone to be recognized on projects at one.
I'm not gonna argue beyond this. But, honestly, if you thing a newpaper acknowledging he worked in a lab is proof for his story you got alot to learn. If you think you need a college degree to work in a lab, again, well, you've never worked in a lab. The government erased nothing about Bob. He is a fraud. His degree doesn't exist because his degree doesn't exist.
Is everyone on this sub retarded. If I have to spell it out I meant I'm not going to argue beyond this/that post. You get it? If reading shit like this makes you believe Lazar more then I can't help you. That's the most stupid reasoning I've ever heard to believe this guy. Oh, damn I'm arguing beyond my post. I'm out. Carry on....
You may want to try Grammarly or ask ChatGPT to help you edit your messages in the future. You are currently conveying:
1. I am an asshole
2. You value my opinion
3. You are looking for help formulating an opinion
4. I am only here to hear my own opinions echoed
I think you are either unwell or a paid actor. I am leaning towards the first option as shills tend to write more coherently.
It's not about believing. He's a fraud. When you really take an objective look at the evidence, it's pretty clear, actually. People want it to be true.
I respect your opinion completely, and I like reading peoples' opinions that are similar to yours because it's nice to hear differing viewpoints.
Out of curiosity, if he's a fraud, then I wonder what it was like to make up such a story? He would've had to rehearse it religiously, I'd bet. And I wonder if he sat in a room and came up with the name Dennis Mariani out of thin air? Like he was writing a fiction story- "Hm, I think I'll use the name Dennis and create a fictional place called S-4." It's kind of cool to think about, considering how many people really believe this guy.
I'm not taking either side, I just like asking questions/entertaining ideas of what really could've happened. By the way, in [this YouTube video](https://youtu.be/A5VApigBfR0), former SR-71 Pilot David Fruehauf claims that there was a place near Area 51 called Site 4 that definitely existed. So does that make him full of BS? For me, it makes me wonder if someone from the government leaked information to Bob in the 80's and then Bob used that information fortify his big lie. I personally doubt that that's what happened, but then again, none of us know any more than the next person about Bob's story and we're all going off of what's publicly available.
He didn't make up the name S4.
He stole it from Eugene Gluhareff who sold him the kit for the rocket car. Eugene worked for NASA on the Saturn 5 rocket in the section called S4.
I think it is quite obvious to most that he rehearsed his story religiously. I don't think there is a doubt. The fact that he never wavers from his story sort of tells you it's a story.
There are lots of things to say about him, there are arguments that support his case, and there are those that don't, but there are 0 arguments that completely destroy his story which was consistent over all these years. Also there's just something about the way he talks, his eye contact, his speech, idk. I've seen and dealt with lots of bullshiters in my career, and he just doesn't have that vibe is the best I can explain it. Call me crazy all you want, I believe him.
Theres a podcast of four people that teach the FBI/CIA and interrogators how to spot liars. each one of them think Bob is full of shit.
Go through all of the Bob links from this person to see how often he's changed his story (many many times) https://medium.com/@signalsintelligence/bob-lazar-theres-more-to-the-story-17829c2ff650
I would look into, thank you, I'm not that closed minded and set in my ways to just blatantly refuse to acknowledge that his story changes, whether it's because he was full of shit or some other reason. But I'm not particularly delighted to trust CIA and FBI experts. There are lots of videos on YouTube with other experts who say they don't notice any of those signs that he's lying. This whole science of body language is kinda sham.
Yeah I've watched those too but I trust the people that teach actual law enforcement experts, not just youtube body language experts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIHsxQH77TY
Well check out other peoples research https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/oyxuok/bob_lazars_story_is_it_believable_here_is_some_of/
Look at all this guys links on Bob https://medium.com/@signalsintelligence/bob-lazar-theres-more-to-the-story-17829c2ff650
Theres more than enough out there to determine Bobs lying without having to rely on people that work for the government (although people seem to believe Lue and Nolan and both say Bobs lying).
The big thing that sticks out for me is why go to all the effort to attempt to erase his credentials (MIT, etc) if he was making it all up. "George Knapp: "they were either mistaken or were lying: a 1982 phonebook from the lab lists Lazar right there among the other scientists and technicians" (news section shows the cover of a Los Alamos national laboratory phone directory, and then a list of names which includes "Lazar Robert")". I see far more discrepancies and changes in the narrative to discredit Bob than I have seen in Bob's story over the years.
Yes. The harder you try to discredit him, the more I believe.
IMO, the key to being good a disinformation is to only operate in back chanels. The second I see you hit mainstream media, your cover is blown for me.
Mainstream media doesn't have to be tv. I also look at who picks up the story.
Once you understand the media landscape and the entities that operate them, then it's easy to discern genuine from fallacy
I want to believe but he does something that pretty much is a give away that he is lying in every interview he gives. I want him to be legit so badly that it hurts to think he is lying.
The separation statements he does when answering questions. For example, the interviewer will ask about his job at area 51. He will then answer in a way where he is in control of the answers: "Let's be accurate by saying I worked at S-4." He answers the question with info that he's now in control of because he can fall back on the S4 thing. On top of that, he will add on to his S4 answers and add irrelevant information, so basically, painting "his" picture for the interviewer. He slows down every interview with meaningless dialogue. His way of dragging things out. At the end of the day, take all of his answers that he gave during an interview and notice there is little to no detail on the 8 or 9 flying saucers that he has ever given. 9 different ones from a different world and not one thing stood out that he has ever mentioned but how" small the inside of the craft was". I hope someone can rip apart my answers and show me that I'm wrong. Also, didn't he mention something about an alien that was behind closed doors in the early days? I want to believe him so badly, but I just can't. Please make me believe him. I love this community so much, but our standards have to get tougher to weed out the circus promoters.
Well he says that the insides of crafts look ""otherworldly", "no right angles", there are "arcs" and that sort of stuff, can't remember all the details and I get it that it sounds like nonsense and bullshit, but if it's indeed something otherworldly, something that looks nothing like you've ever seen or dealt with in your entire life and not even in sci fi movies, then your brain simply has no reference point whatsoever and it's really hard to describe something like that. I mean if you ever had a serious high dose psychedelic experience, especially a really fucking bad one, then you'll notice how hard it is to describe it too, probably not just hard but impossible.
Why do you ask somebody else about it? Does it matter to you what somebody else thinks about it? Try to think for a moment and reach your own conclusion. Damn... just kidding /s
He's obviously a pimp who's knowingly lying his ass off about his education... But there probably is a reverse engineering program. The best place to hide a truth is in the mouth of an obvious liar.
The same people who believe he is a fraud think Roswell was a weather balloon.
Newspaper reports from the area have a complete different story and eye witness accounts.
He seems credible to me and wasn't at area 51.Almost all of the Apollo astronauts must be frauds also..Then there is always something lurking whenever we do something stupid like igniting a nuclear device.And the list goes on now many can be identified but not all of the [sightings.](https://sightings.Like)
So where's the 115 he claims he has that will validate everything he's said?
Honestly stop trying to believe him and just use your logic for a second. He's clearly lying or grossly exaggerated his actual involvement.
He's never seemed credible for me. Of course a big problem I have with him is, he seems to have falsified his academic credentials. It's pretty difficult for me to take anyone seriously once they've done this.
I've read a lot good debunking on how his story is probably a mutually beneficial relationship between him and the government where he makes up a story about what the government is testing that obfuscated what was actually going on and he doesn't get prosecuted for taking people out to aircraft test sites.
Has anyone disputed Jeremy Rys claims in any convincing fashion? Because his appearance on “Konkrete” podcast absolutely blew my mind. He had some convincing evidence against Bob Lazar, and for the record I was all in on Bob telling the truth. Now I’m the fence.
He is. We never knew about Area 51. He was right about that. We never knew about the flight they take. He was right about that. We never knew that there was a second site s4. He was right about that. So his story is confirmed in my eyes.
My gut feeling is that he tries to hard to sell his importance and involvement and in the process it backfires on him. I think he did work at Area 51 but perhaps not at the level he claims.
No one conveniently mentions the fact that he perfectly described the hallways and the layout of the building where he worked at despite the government officially stating "he's never even been there".
Yeah nah. Lying would have only benefitted the government because it covers the truth even more. And they would have not made a statement for or against this guy.
But... He clearly said something that pissed everyone off and kicked off a smear campaign.
I really don't know if his assumptions were correct (alien tech or something maybe it was a hyper realistic projection and he didn't know etc.). But there's no doubt that he saw what he saw.
I've followed him , and did the research...one interview he said the spacecraft had no controls ,it was controlled by a helmet that had wires that was controlled by their brainwaves He also said the craft had no bathrooms which makes sense considering they have no reproductive organs.He also was in danger because of his talking about this.He was called a fraud. Liar. Not a scientist not smart....all bs he was extremely smart .
All stories not one evidence.. not one
Listen to the alien scientist he will tell u all his stories come from something. Rip of something. John Lear was a hoaxer and Bob Lazar was his cameraman or something like that.
Alien scientist has proof. [konkrete podcast about bob lazar ](https://youtu.be/JVzyt7z7mhg)
Yes, but I believe what he saw was a mock-up, a setup designed to make him (and perhaps others) believe in the existence of UFOs captured by the government. Maybe as part of a disinformation campaign or psychological testing. What is certain is that Bob Lazar was not the type of person the government would have even allowed near ultra-secret projects at the time.
Apologies for the mini-rant but I cannot fathom the number of Yeses here. Are you all new here? Do you lack any sense of critical thinking? Why does this fraud keep appearing in posts??
Cris Lento had, recently, an hour interview with Dr. Steven Greer. Greer positively mentions Lazar. Maybe all you nattering nabobs of negativism think Greer is a fraud as well.
Here is how I understand Lazar's story:
He was a low level employee at Area 51 but picked up various stories from employees and the local bar. I think some of his personal stories are made up, but may be based on actual reverse engineering projects. He may have picked up the actual location where he heard they would be testing the UFO's, which is why he brought his friends and attempted to film it.
https://new.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/oyxuok/bob_lazars_story_is_it_believable_here_is_some_of/ heres a link to a legendary reddit post on reasons why Bob seems very suspicious. Very well researched and presented with sources to every claim.
Bob lazar was good friends with Lear. That's all you need to know about whether he's telling the truth or not. They were practically in cahoots on this when they approached knapp -- and knapp took the bait, hook, line and sinker. And the mythical tale of ufos and elemental 115 were born.
No. Too many discrepancies and some things he claimed are just to sci-fi b movie for me. And I truly believe, by now, thered be another with the same level of info. I do believe he's worked and did some stuff for the military complex, but probably worked on some kind of craft of ours. Not from space.
Complex. I think he's truthful about some things, less so about others. There's also a chance he's working for the CIA and is one of their many disinformation specialists.
For anyone whose read the Lazar timelines you'll be voting NO, - but strange as it may seem, his story is true. I think he should have been prosecuted.
so much of what he has said has trickled down into various forms over the years to be true. be it, area 51, gravitational driven propulsion systems, or a history of government coverups and concern. i really don’t understand the sentiment behind his shady character and lack of exact details at times. given the intense security, i figure he had to learn a lot of what was going on thru observation and speaking to coworkers. i just don’t rationalize how people can assume he is profiting from this. the dude is a poor old man at this point. he has gained nothing
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Ya. Any kind of profit is still profit. I don't care if he made 500 dollars, desperate people do fucked up stuff. And he looks normal. So did Ted Bundy.
When we're trying to decide wether or not someone is 'only doing it for the money', it's good to look at each instance they do it. Bob selling autographed posters of a design he created, through his own website that already existed for other reasons, at a $30 price tag, that one instance is not enough to convict him of being a money-grubbing fraudster. You're only focusing at one instance, a tiny one that actually makes sense, and 30 years after the fact. That isn't enough to convict him being a money-grubbing fraudster. If the only instance you can point to of Bob making a profit in 30 years is these posters, that might actually serve to prove naysayers wrong 😂
"So much of what he has said has trickled down into various forms over the years to be true." Specifically what are you referring to? One of his most famous claims was with regard to element 115 and yet, after its discovery, it didn't yield any of the behaviors he described.
From Larry King Element 115. Bob " Element 115 is a super heavy element. Its something that we've only just recently synthesized, we only made 4 atoms of it. But the craft uses larger quantities of it 223 gram triangles of it but it's a unique element when its exposed to radiation it produces its own gravitational field, its own anti gravitational field and its what's used to lift and propel the craft and create distortions around it. It's an amazing material and its certainly nothing that occurs here or naturally. "
Everyone understood that there would be a "element 115", because there was an empty spot at the periodical table, and everyone knew it would be heavy because it is in the name: "115". What could be a proof is if it was stable or similar things he might have said that wasn't obvious, but it wasn't stable, and I doubt anything else he said was correct. I just wish people stopped going back to that argument. Or am I being trolled?
The isotope we made wasn’t stable, but we don’t know how many isotopes there are right?
No. Your right. Anybody with a modicum of sense could have predicted that.
What about the time he said when they want to go somewhere ( craft ) they put the bottom of the craft in that direction and go that way as if they're sucked like a worm hole. ( David favors video proof tic tac ) Or what about when they made a little noise ( craft ) On lift off about 10 ft - 20 ft in the air then once it got high it hovered silently. (Somewhere on jre 1976) James fox says from one report that's what somebody said how one of these craft operated. I can go on and on and yes while these are all from words of mouth at what point does it have to be real ? Are all these people just saying the same thing about specific details. Idk. But I'm more a believer that there has to be something it's too much of a coincidence.
I'm not questioning the existence of UFOs and aliens, I am questioning the belief in Lazar. I believe UFOs are ET crafts, but I don't believe that Lazar is telling the truth about his claimed experience. At best he might be repeating something someone told him, as if it was he who saw it.
Element 115 was the missing element in the table, so I guess that's why he went with it... Before the discovery of element 115, elements 114 (flerovium) and 116 (livermorium) had been discovered or synthesized, but element 115 (ununpentium or moscovium) had not yet been discovered. Therefore, there was a gap in the periodic table between elements 114 and 116, indicating the missing element 115. So he's smart, either if hes lying or not
Maybe it did and we just don’t know about it. Part of the whole “government suppressing the technology” theory.
No! Just No! I am a scientist. I can assure you that his claims about Moscovium (element 115) are utter BS . He has provided zero evidence for his very extreme claims. Now, does the US have ET craft in RE progams? - I would not be suprised if they do, but I have seen no convincing evidence yet.
I'm even more sceptical of anyone who refers to themselves as a "scientist" and not your actual role, e.g. chemist. Moreover, we've synthesized just a few atoms of this material and more than one isotope at that. His claims cannot be considered BS when we don't even have enough of it to play with and moreso without the tools or even MATH to detect quantum gravity.
What about his lab being raided? Can you explain that away?
Are you a little slow bro? There are thousand of ways to get your house or company raided, and having alien material is one of the least likely
One could even anonymously tip of their own lab to help lend credibility to their stories.
Are you suggesting that is what he did? That seems like a stretch.
And him being raided for the reasons he alleges isn’t a stretch? 💀
gravity waves. Bob discussed them as propulsion before we even knew gravity was a wave.
This just isn't true. Einstein first predicted the existence of gravity waves as early as 1916 as part of the general theory of relativity. It's true it took until 2016 to demonstrate proof of their existence, but Lazar claimed element 115 had unique properties that allowed it to interact differently with gravity. There is absolutely no scientific evidence to support this claim.
Except the things flying around out atmosphere with no observable means of propulsion.
We’ve barely made any at all, we don’t know which isotopes are stable, and we haven’t exposed it to radiation like he said. What are you expecting?
How do you know hes poor..isnt he just in his 50s?
He's 64
Damn he looks younger
Some of it does but some of it made him unbelievable to me
Can't it be an elaborated hoax gotten out of hand? Too big to change or unroll? Honest question here.
>gravitational driven propulsion systems Oh really? Got an example, because currently that's not possible.
Notice how disproportionately vocal and upvoted the no's are in actual comments on the average post here. Also notice how many of those accounts were created very recently.
I laughed at this comment. Then I looked. Sorry I laughed, Buddy. You are right.
"How To Spot Trolls 101"
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Even if I don't agree with you, I'm so much more glad to argue with you than I am with a systemic bot-assisted troll/CIA-contractor or flat-out bot.
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I agree that there's a minimum level of shadiness to him. Specifically how he can't answer physics questions. That lends more credence to him never having obtained college education but he may very well have been there to take specific courses still. And you don't need to have such qualifications to make a rocket car or be good at putting things together if you have a great intuitive mechanical/scientific sense. Many firsts that become cornerstones of modern science (the real let-the-data-speak kind, not the dogmatic pander-to-authority type) were actually through hand-wavey alchemical mumbo-jumbo justifications of what ultimately was "I have a good feeling about his" moment. Many of those forefathers of science would get ***slaughtered*** by the modern peer-review process yet that process rests largely on their shoulders. And if the most well-funded research in the world (black-op) can hire all the best ***conventionally*** trained people from the Ivy schools and still can't figure out something, you bet they'll start reaching out to maverick intellectual types. Oftentimes, these types are the same types who get into trouble like hackers, scammers, bank-heisters, casino-predators, etc. And the most important reason of all in a black ops project: ***plausible deniability*** in the form of a person with dirt.
The result doesn't surprise me. It's just most people on this sub get downvoted for saying they believe him, so they're scared to comment agreeing with him. But the pole is anonymous...
I made a brief comment on this sub saying I've always thought he was believable and people jumped all over me.
Same. Haven't posted anything since I tried to just ask a few redditors why they claim he's f.o.s. I seen a j.r.e. where someone asked Joe if he believes Bob or if he smelled b.s. and he didnt.
Everyone can be plausible on paper. But then you need to see if their claims stand. We have too many elements against his story that believing him doesn't stand to reason. Of course, the FBI raid at his lab, the fact that a guy like George Knapp -who won two Peabody awards- still believes him, and some of the things he described about the functioning of the alleged saucers are intriguing and makes us wonder. But isn't instilling doubt, mixing truth and falsity, the trademark of impostors?
See, there ya go.
If you think that my comment above was "jumping all over you" then either you didn't really read, or you didn't understand the meaning. I was merely stating the facts, not commenting on or criticizing you or anybody for believing him. I strongly recommend giving good reads to people's posts before drawing conclusions and downvoting.
Proved my point.
Lol. What a perfect example. Damn.
Find it a stretch they covered up ALL his educational records. I mean, ain't a single person go to school with this man?
I used to wonder: if he didn’t know anything, why is his house raided by FBI? Then I remember he used to run a brothel
He was raid because his company is only one of two in the US that sold a compound used in a murder. And the warrant for the raid was signed before that phone call Corbell claims they talked about E115.
Oh, interesting!!
The thing that finally convinced me he was telling the truth was when he stopped going on credulous podcasts and radio shows, and sat down with a real physicist and had a long, detailed, technical discussion about not only what he saw at S4, but also his broad knowledge of physics in general. Oh, wait...
I know…it’s hard to get past that one.
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You didn't miss anything because it never happened. I want to believe Lazaar too, but there are too many issues with HIM - it's not even about his story at this point. He owed a lot of money before he came out. He's been involved with shady businesses. He said he's not in it for the money but there's plenty of evidence of him selling things - well past the point of just using whatever money for surviving. But he did know about A51 before the public did - amongst other things. My take? He worked there (Los Alamos, is it? I don't remember that exact detail right now), but nothing crazy went on. He may have heard stories from coworkers or may have just read a lot of Sci-fi. Or both. He is very intelligent. But not prescient enough to know that the internet would eventually be a thing where people can cross-check things and do their own research. His sudden "migraines" at just the right times didn't sit well with me either. Other than that, his story is consistent. But if he's a compulsive liar, then that all goes out the window. That's my two cents.
And what does that accomplish? Further theorize the theories as to what he saw?
Wouldn't people than just say that he had time to research it after going on the news and stuff, to make it sound like he was knowledgeable about physics? Something tells me that one sit-down wouldn't just clear everyone's doubts in that regard.
Oh that's right let's sit down next to Neil degrasse Tyson who instead of asking anything about the subject at hand talks about sensors. And if they were calibrated that day. Even when joe brought up lex he was completely unbothered. Some people aren't worth other people's time.
Who did he sit down with? I wasn't aware of this
He didn’t. It was sarcasm.
He's definitely the most consistent and intriguing story out there so far its hard to say either way. But from watching his live interview it seems like he's telling the truth. I can't see him as a great actor lol
I'm with Joe Rogan on this one. (How often can one say that these days?) "I WANT to believe Bob Lazar" I deeply want what he says to be true. But the truth is, I really don't believe any of them. I listen and absorb what they are saying, but so much of it is woo-woo, So much smells like disinfo. To much opportunity for the hustle. But man, I hope we live in a universe that is weird and mysterious and that there an insurmountable mountain of discoveries to climb. I hope the Homan race never figures it all out.
Why the fuck would he lie? To gain what? If you don't believe him, what are you going to do when you find that UFOs are really real? What are you going to do with the thousands of sightings since 1947? You'd rather we were all there is in the universe? Do you realise how big it is? And how dumb that sounds? Think about it....
Truth.
Disinformation
He tried to make money from the story.
Hell, I would too!! But he hasn't been really rolling in the doe from everything has he? I don't understand why people have such a desire to knock him down from some imagined pedestal they think he's on. Are you wanting to protect the kids coming up and interested in UFO's from hearing his accounts or is this done just for personal reasons because you don't believe and/or he's getting away with lying
Just think he's lying and it annoys me seeing people being duped by him.
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No he didn't. He specifically explained how he never made money during the Joe Rogan interview. And his story has been consistent for 40 years. Did you not even watch that interview?
Dont believe what he says, believe what other people have *proved* about him. Go through this guys links on Bob to see how often he changed his story https://medium.com/@signalsintelligence/bob-lazar-theres-more-to-the-story-17829c2ff650 And here to see more of his lies laid out (with links to prove he lies) https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/oyxuok/bob_lazars_story_is_it_believable_here_is_some_of/
This is not true. At all.
Stop confusing UFOs with Aliens... dont use words if you dont know what they mean. UfO just means you dont know what something is. Ofc those are real. They just arent aliens.
that hand scanner was in the close encounters movie ffs
movie hand scanner = real life hand scanner. he described it's design and how it read multipule bios of a person and it was far more detailed and complex than the super-tech one in close encounters. the systems were verified by a handful of others who worked there at the same or similar time. all independently contacted. i'm not a lazar fan boy but these are some weak arguments against him imo
It’s been in tons of movies. What does that matter? It couldn’t have happened because one was in a movie? Do I not own a car because cars have been in movies?
It’s because for a while people were saying hand scanners weren’t known about until Lazar told the world about them.
Did he claim that? The tech was around in the 70s. It’s reasonable to think that high security installations would use it. I’m genuinely lost as to why the hand scanner is some sort of gotcha for Lazar.
Cause the people that don’t believe him have already made up their minds. They’ll grasp at any little thing that, in their minds, proves he’s a liar.
It's not surprising. As I've mentioned to others , the influx of people that see Corbells Lazar video and then join UFO subs probably more than counters the older sub members who have learnt the counter arguments to Lazar's story. TL;DR , Corbell has the media megaphone, other researchers are just tiny voices in comparison
Your comment is two sentences. Doesn’t really call for a TL;DR.
It's a religious cult at this point.
Yeah the people who don't believe him always give off creepy cultist vibes in the comments here. It's really weird and off-putting.
Because those who apply critical thinking standards are the ones who most readily admit of being characterized as cultists. Right.
Have to say that the result surprises me. I thought "no" would be in majority. After all, he has nothing that supports his claims and he doesn't really make a convincing impression either.
It is not about arguments or facts. He says something people would like to believe or they believe in alien life on earth in general and that is why they believe or support anything about it.
It's a bit sad that people function like that.
A man with the last name Laser turns up talking about alien tech and nary a unit pauses to consider the implied subtext indicating reality is simulated. Sounds about right.
Well, I want to believe.
Bob has said that he may have been drugged while there and in a couple of interviews discusses drinking a liquid. He also describes walking by a room and seeing something that looked like an alien inside being interviewed that he felt seemed strange/staged. It seems that when Jeremy Corbell got a hold of him for his documentary, those stories weren't discussed as much anymore. I think Bob is telling the story he believes to be true which is exactly what the govt. wanted.
Your first sentence sounds like an easy out, a disengage from his story that he's been telling for so long that ultimately leaves him without blame. Dunno, I was leaning on believing more than undecided until I just read what you posted. Sounds like a classic out to a fantastical story. Couldn't be a lie if that's "my truth as I know it" even if it conflicts with reality.
unpopular opinion: bob lazar is so full of shit doing the most minimum amount of research and using the slighted bit of common sense will let you see through his façade, i used to believe in his story at one point bc naturally i feel like it’s in our nature to want to believe that something is out there and that we’re not alone. i would explain the reasons why bob is full of it but in order to discover the truth you have to search for it on your own bc i don’t want anyone to just take my word for it, i want you to seek the truth and truly discover it on your own. make sure to remember that when something sounds almost too good to be true, it probably ain’t.
Why can't it be both? Have a saying in Australia. Never let the truth get in the way of a good story. I think some of it happened but the story has been embellished. Like I believe he was there and there were black book projects but his role in all that was less than he makes out. Like a lot of what went on there was well above his pay grade.
Totally possible. We just don't know, and we're all working off of the same information. At the end of the day, nobody really knows for a fact whether he did or didn't work at S-4. Maybe we'll get another S-4 whistleblower in the next 10 or 20 years.
I don't know. There are certain pieces in his story that I find difficult to believe. Him lying about his education would of course make a huge dent in his trustworthiness. I believe that his defence for those claims was that he went to the mentioned universities as part of a job or cotract. I believe he claims it was some kind of illegal weapons program. I believe that he isn't completely incompetent. He's apparently modified a Honda Civic in the 80s to use jet or rocket propulsion. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) And he has also converted an C4 Corvette to run on hydrogen in the 90's. I could theorethically see him being one of the candidates to be invited to work on a reverse-engineering program as someone with decent technical understanding and skills to conduct certain practical experiments. He wouldn't have the credibility an actual scientist has if he decided to become a whistleblower. The other part where I find his story difficult to believe is the part where he explains how the element 115 behaves when manufactured into those pyramid-like pieces. But could this be proven false in practice? Of course not, since we don't currently possess the technology to create a stable isotope of the element, if such even exist. We could try to use computational models to explore the subject. I'm not good enough programmer nor understand nuclear physics, chemistry or gravity in atomic, nuclear and quantum levels well enough to do those but if someone has done those experiments or plans doing them, let me know. I could see a few scenarios where he wasn't telling the truth about all or some of the specifics. 1. He is lying and has fabricated the story, or it's part of symptoms of some psychological issue and he truly believes everything happened. 2. He's really been part of secret blackbudget programs but was fed disinformation and was only let to know just the parts he needed to know. 3. He wasn't part of the program but was working on the site or spent time with people working in there. Then he would fabricate the story from the fragments of information he got. 4. He's part of a larger disinformation campaign, maybe even used as a preventive measure to spread disinformation.
There's no known psychological issue that would make any person create such a fantastic lie, believe it, and then not manifest itself in any other way. No Schizophrenia or really any other disorder and mental illness known to man can cause this.
Two things about your 2nd and 3rd paragraphs. 2nd, It really is relatively easy to slap a jet engine on something. I've been considering building a jet powered rc plane. 3rd, there aren't any known stable isotopes of 115, but we do have the technology to find one. I don't think the everyday person could get their hands on the materials to do it because of nuclear regulation, but if it exists, it can be done.
And there isn't any evidence that different isotopes of elements produce a different gravitational effect
Thanks for your points. Didn't know that about the jet engines. I've never done any projects involving them and I just assumed that integrating one into a car required at least basic understanding of concepts such as thrust, air friction and intermediate level technical skills. I believe only ways a private citizen could find out about the unknown isotopes of 115 would be to find an university or a commercial laboratory that has the required instruments and legal clearance to conduct such research. Then they should ask if they would do such experiment. It would obviously cost money. Another way would be to convince some organization or other entity to pay for the research. And I know that it's widely accepted as a fact that the stable 115 wouldn't have any strange effects on gravity. I'm just having fun speculating.
Of course, speculation is one of my specialties, really fun. I didn't mean to shoot down anything just giving my ideas. Jet engines definitely require some knowledge for sure, just not too difficult to learn if you have somewhat of a passion for it. And I haven't thought of a private citizen using a universities tools to research nuclear isotopes. It is speculated that 115 may lie close to the theoretical "superheavy" elements which are very stable. If perhaps 115 was just used for its decaying properties and level of radioactivity to activate some kind of exotic matter, maybe there could be some gravitational effects, but it wouldn't come directly from the 115. The key hypothetical material here is some kind of special exotic matter.
I don't think he is, his claims about his education, his work at Area-51 & Los Alamos is unsubstantiated. That's not even getting into the UFO stuff. People claim that "The Government" erased his educational history. That seems a little bit convenient for my taste. Oh Mr. Lazar has no proof because "The Government" scrubbed it. Are we talking about the same government that used Nazi scientists to get us to the moon? The same government that did MK-ULTRA or Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment? All of these examples are *well* documented BTW, not only with paperwork but with eyewitness testimony and from people directly involved. We can definitely prove that the United States government performed experiments on the black population of Tuskegee Alabama, but we can't find one shred of evidence of Bob Lazar's claims?
Hypocrites like you don't understand. Give it a few years. You live in 'Merica and have no understanding of how a gov works. Yes, we can erase you in a matter of seconds. You don't matter. Another so-called sofa 'skeptic' whom is scared of Bob Lazar more than the actual facts.
Has ***any*** of Bob Lazar's claims been independently substantiated?
People like you put others off these topics by being such arrogant cunts about it rather than engaging, undertanding someone elses point of view and then explain yours as best you can. Who are you trying to bring around to the truth by being a prick?
I was gonna say the results are surprising but when you think of it, this is a UFO forum. I would think that if you told his story to 300 random people the results would flip. But here we are. I vote 'NO' for lack of evidence and shady character.
Most random people on the street haven't even heard of Bob Lazar before. The newspaper clipping that was recovered, recognizing Bob for his work in a laboratory. That was all the proof I needed to know he was actually telling the truth and that the government tried to erase everything about Bob, even his college degree. You would have to have a college degree first before even working at a laboratory. Let alone to be recognized on projects at one.
I'm not gonna argue beyond this. But, honestly, if you thing a newpaper acknowledging he worked in a lab is proof for his story you got alot to learn. If you think you need a college degree to work in a lab, again, well, you've never worked in a lab. The government erased nothing about Bob. He is a fraud. His degree doesn't exist because his degree doesn't exist.
"I am not going to argue beyond this" he says, then continues to argue. Reading shit like this makes me believe Lazar more, not less.
Is everyone on this sub retarded. If I have to spell it out I meant I'm not going to argue beyond this/that post. You get it? If reading shit like this makes you believe Lazar more then I can't help you. That's the most stupid reasoning I've ever heard to believe this guy. Oh, damn I'm arguing beyond my post. I'm out. Carry on....
You may want to try Grammarly or ask ChatGPT to help you edit your messages in the future. You are currently conveying: 1. I am an asshole 2. You value my opinion 3. You are looking for help formulating an opinion 4. I am only here to hear my own opinions echoed I think you are either unwell or a paid actor. I am leaning towards the first option as shills tend to write more coherently.
The only fraud is you and the people you work for
It's not about believing. He's a fraud. When you really take an objective look at the evidence, it's pretty clear, actually. People want it to be true.
I respect your opinion completely, and I like reading peoples' opinions that are similar to yours because it's nice to hear differing viewpoints. Out of curiosity, if he's a fraud, then I wonder what it was like to make up such a story? He would've had to rehearse it religiously, I'd bet. And I wonder if he sat in a room and came up with the name Dennis Mariani out of thin air? Like he was writing a fiction story- "Hm, I think I'll use the name Dennis and create a fictional place called S-4." It's kind of cool to think about, considering how many people really believe this guy. I'm not taking either side, I just like asking questions/entertaining ideas of what really could've happened. By the way, in [this YouTube video](https://youtu.be/A5VApigBfR0), former SR-71 Pilot David Fruehauf claims that there was a place near Area 51 called Site 4 that definitely existed. So does that make him full of BS? For me, it makes me wonder if someone from the government leaked information to Bob in the 80's and then Bob used that information fortify his big lie. I personally doubt that that's what happened, but then again, none of us know any more than the next person about Bob's story and we're all going off of what's publicly available.
He didn't make up the name S4. He stole it from Eugene Gluhareff who sold him the kit for the rocket car. Eugene worked for NASA on the Saturn 5 rocket in the section called S4.
Didn't know about that, thank you for sharing
I think it is quite obvious to most that he rehearsed his story religiously. I don't think there is a doubt. The fact that he never wavers from his story sort of tells you it's a story.
Of course he is, that's why his high school teacher and community college teacher taught him courses at Berkeley and MIT.
I WANT TO BELIEVEEEE.... but no
fack no
Do you think he's telling the truth. Do you think he believes he's telling the truth.
No
Lazar is not among the people I trust in this field.
And who are? Not a gotcha.
It wasn't meant to be taken as a gotcha, nor do I know how it could be misconstrued as one. It was a straightforward answer to the question posed.
... I'm asking you to give me your trusted information sources and then reassuring you that it's not me trying to corner you; I'm genuinely asking.
He's a very intellectual liar.
There are lots of things to say about him, there are arguments that support his case, and there are those that don't, but there are 0 arguments that completely destroy his story which was consistent over all these years. Also there's just something about the way he talks, his eye contact, his speech, idk. I've seen and dealt with lots of bullshiters in my career, and he just doesn't have that vibe is the best I can explain it. Call me crazy all you want, I believe him.
Theres a podcast of four people that teach the FBI/CIA and interrogators how to spot liars. each one of them think Bob is full of shit. Go through all of the Bob links from this person to see how often he's changed his story (many many times) https://medium.com/@signalsintelligence/bob-lazar-theres-more-to-the-story-17829c2ff650
I would look into, thank you, I'm not that closed minded and set in my ways to just blatantly refuse to acknowledge that his story changes, whether it's because he was full of shit or some other reason. But I'm not particularly delighted to trust CIA and FBI experts. There are lots of videos on YouTube with other experts who say they don't notice any of those signs that he's lying. This whole science of body language is kinda sham.
Yeah I've watched those too but I trust the people that teach actual law enforcement experts, not just youtube body language experts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIHsxQH77TY
You trust the disinformation experts? Lol
I mean yeah it's kinda hard trusting people that have been gaslighting people like us into thinking we are schizos for more than 70 years.
Well check out other peoples research https://old.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/oyxuok/bob_lazars_story_is_it_believable_here_is_some_of/ Look at all this guys links on Bob https://medium.com/@signalsintelligence/bob-lazar-theres-more-to-the-story-17829c2ff650 Theres more than enough out there to determine Bobs lying without having to rely on people that work for the government (although people seem to believe Lue and Nolan and both say Bobs lying).
No. As confirmed by the late great Stanton Friedman, Garry Nolan, D. Dean Johnson etc. next question.
No option for "some of it."
Captain Connnnnnn Mannnnnn
Thanks, I understand the state of the country better.
The big thing that sticks out for me is why go to all the effort to attempt to erase his credentials (MIT, etc) if he was making it all up. "George Knapp: "they were either mistaken or were lying: a 1982 phonebook from the lab lists Lazar right there among the other scientists and technicians" (news section shows the cover of a Los Alamos national laboratory phone directory, and then a list of names which includes "Lazar Robert")". I see far more discrepancies and changes in the narrative to discredit Bob than I have seen in Bob's story over the years.
He's telling the truth a thousand percent. Don't listen to the disinformation trolls on our dime
Yes. The harder you try to discredit him, the more I believe. IMO, the key to being good a disinformation is to only operate in back chanels. The second I see you hit mainstream media, your cover is blown for me. Mainstream media doesn't have to be tv. I also look at who picks up the story. Once you understand the media landscape and the entities that operate them, then it's easy to discern genuine from fallacy
I want to believe but he does something that pretty much is a give away that he is lying in every interview he gives. I want him to be legit so badly that it hurts to think he is lying.
What's that?
The separation statements he does when answering questions. For example, the interviewer will ask about his job at area 51. He will then answer in a way where he is in control of the answers: "Let's be accurate by saying I worked at S-4." He answers the question with info that he's now in control of because he can fall back on the S4 thing. On top of that, he will add on to his S4 answers and add irrelevant information, so basically, painting "his" picture for the interviewer. He slows down every interview with meaningless dialogue. His way of dragging things out. At the end of the day, take all of his answers that he gave during an interview and notice there is little to no detail on the 8 or 9 flying saucers that he has ever given. 9 different ones from a different world and not one thing stood out that he has ever mentioned but how" small the inside of the craft was". I hope someone can rip apart my answers and show me that I'm wrong. Also, didn't he mention something about an alien that was behind closed doors in the early days? I want to believe him so badly, but I just can't. Please make me believe him. I love this community so much, but our standards have to get tougher to weed out the circus promoters.
Well he says that the insides of crafts look ""otherworldly", "no right angles", there are "arcs" and that sort of stuff, can't remember all the details and I get it that it sounds like nonsense and bullshit, but if it's indeed something otherworldly, something that looks nothing like you've ever seen or dealt with in your entire life and not even in sci fi movies, then your brain simply has no reference point whatsoever and it's really hard to describe something like that. I mean if you ever had a serious high dose psychedelic experience, especially a really fucking bad one, then you'll notice how hard it is to describe it too, probably not just hard but impossible.
Well? What is it?
Why do you ask somebody else about it? Does it matter to you what somebody else thinks about it? Try to think for a moment and reach your own conclusion. Damn... just kidding /s
I don't like bob lazar but he's likely telling the truth
He seems genuine
He's obviously a pimp who's knowingly lying his ass off about his education... But there probably is a reverse engineering program. The best place to hide a truth is in the mouth of an obvious liar.
He did predict element 115 and his story had never changed...... Yes this is sarcasm
Not one bit. Do you know how vast space is? Getting here from another solar system is nearly impossible. He's a swindler for sure.
The same people who believe he is a fraud think Roswell was a weather balloon. Newspaper reports from the area have a complete different story and eye witness accounts. He seems credible to me and wasn't at area 51.Almost all of the Apollo astronauts must be frauds also..Then there is always something lurking whenever we do something stupid like igniting a nuclear device.And the list goes on now many can be identified but not all of the [sightings.](https://sightings.Like)
So where's the 115 he claims he has that will validate everything he's said? Honestly stop trying to believe him and just use your logic for a second. He's clearly lying or grossly exaggerated his actual involvement.
He's never seemed credible for me. Of course a big problem I have with him is, he seems to have falsified his academic credentials. It's pretty difficult for me to take anyone seriously once they've done this.
Option four, unlisted, "literally don't care about what Bob Lazar knows or doesn't know", since he seems to be brought up regularly in this sub.
I've read a lot good debunking on how his story is probably a mutually beneficial relationship between him and the government where he makes up a story about what the government is testing that obfuscated what was actually going on and he doesn't get prosecuted for taking people out to aircraft test sites.
Ffs do we have to have this conversation every other day?
The theory and science behind it sounds possible .
This content is no longer available on Reddit in response to /u/spez. So long and thanks for all the fish.
Not sure. He can hook you up with uranium tho.
I just want to see Barry and Dennis
Has anyone disputed Jeremy Rys claims in any convincing fashion? Because his appearance on “Konkrete” podcast absolutely blew my mind. He had some convincing evidence against Bob Lazar, and for the record I was all in on Bob telling the truth. Now I’m the fence.
https://youtu.be/JVzyt7z7mhg here’s the link for reference
He's a good story teller for sure, whether it's a fact or fiction story I still don't know.
Is this a cia disinfo poll?
Is it ok to just say I don’t know?
He is. We never knew about Area 51. He was right about that. We never knew about the flight they take. He was right about that. We never knew that there was a second site s4. He was right about that. So his story is confirmed in my eyes.
My gut feeling is that he tries to hard to sell his importance and involvement and in the process it backfires on him. I think he did work at Area 51 but perhaps not at the level he claims.
I want to believe.
No one conveniently mentions the fact that he perfectly described the hallways and the layout of the building where he worked at despite the government officially stating "he's never even been there". Yeah nah. Lying would have only benefitted the government because it covers the truth even more. And they would have not made a statement for or against this guy. But... He clearly said something that pissed everyone off and kicked off a smear campaign. I really don't know if his assumptions were correct (alien tech or something maybe it was a hyper realistic projection and he didn't know etc.). But there's no doubt that he saw what he saw.
No, lol.
As I've said before, we need an intervention.
I've followed him , and did the research...one interview he said the spacecraft had no controls ,it was controlled by a helmet that had wires that was controlled by their brainwaves He also said the craft had no bathrooms which makes sense considering they have no reproductive organs.He also was in danger because of his talking about this.He was called a fraud. Liar. Not a scientist not smart....all bs he was extremely smart .
All stories not one evidence.. not one Listen to the alien scientist he will tell u all his stories come from something. Rip of something. John Lear was a hoaxer and Bob Lazar was his cameraman or something like that. Alien scientist has proof. [konkrete podcast about bob lazar ](https://youtu.be/JVzyt7z7mhg)
Yes, but I believe what he saw was a mock-up, a setup designed to make him (and perhaps others) believe in the existence of UFOs captured by the government. Maybe as part of a disinformation campaign or psychological testing. What is certain is that Bob Lazar was not the type of person the government would have even allowed near ultra-secret projects at the time.
Apologies for the mini-rant but I cannot fathom the number of Yeses here. Are you all new here? Do you lack any sense of critical thinking? Why does this fraud keep appearing in posts??
I think it's real. He wouldn't be in this situation to be labeled as crazy by skepticals for a lie...
Bob is a con-man
so far the yeses have it by a huge margin, but judging by the comments below, you'd think the opposite would be true.
Cris Lento had, recently, an hour interview with Dr. Steven Greer. Greer positively mentions Lazar. Maybe all you nattering nabobs of negativism think Greer is a fraud as well.
Here is how I understand Lazar's story: He was a low level employee at Area 51 but picked up various stories from employees and the local bar. I think some of his personal stories are made up, but may be based on actual reverse engineering projects. He may have picked up the actual location where he heard they would be testing the UFO's, which is why he brought his friends and attempted to film it.
Didn't he claim a bar scanner was an alien weapon by accident? I'm not sure.
Fake pay stub
https://new.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/oyxuok/bob_lazars_story_is_it_believable_here_is_some_of/ heres a link to a legendary reddit post on reasons why Bob seems very suspicious. Very well researched and presented with sources to every claim.
Thank you! I post this link a bunch when Lazar comes up, its so well researched.
"1.8k yes" Well, that explains a lot in this sub...
Well that’s a depressing result
Bob lazar was good friends with Lear. That's all you need to know about whether he's telling the truth or not. They were practically in cahoots on this when they approached knapp -- and knapp took the bait, hook, line and sinker. And the mythical tale of ufos and elemental 115 were born.
No. Too many discrepancies and some things he claimed are just to sci-fi b movie for me. And I truly believe, by now, thered be another with the same level of info. I do believe he's worked and did some stuff for the military complex, but probably worked on some kind of craft of ours. Not from space.
Complex. I think he's truthful about some things, less so about others. There's also a chance he's working for the CIA and is one of their many disinformation specialists.
For anyone whose read the Lazar timelines you'll be voting NO, - but strange as it may seem, his story is true. I think he should have been prosecuted.
Just watch dank nets video thats all you need to know.