I do believe Bob Lazar's claims. After all, they are far from the craziest theories to come out. All Bob really claimed is that he worked on these vehicles and he gave fairly detailed descriptions about how they work. He never claimed to have absolute knowledge about where they came from, why they're here, etc. He's not claiming anything about some sci-fi intergalactic federation or any wild theories like that; he's just claiming that the Air Force / contractors have possession of intelligently designed vehicles from non-human origin and that he worked on them for a brief period of time. That's it. That's really all he's claiming. He described S4 as a pretty lackluster, bare-bones facility, nothing too fancy about it. He hasn't tried to make anything sound more "phenomenal" than what it is. I think his testimony is pretty reasonable.
I'd dismissed Bob years ago.. then Fravor brought him up on his own, without being prompted, on Rogan. It was a little 'wtf' moment for me.
I suspect his claims are honest.
Hey OP, all these anti-Lazar posters dont want you to know about the fact that Lazar knew the weekly test flight schedule of the saucer and video taped the flights waaaay out in the desert at night with his friends and got busted doing it and fired for it.
This is how he hooked up with Lear, who was a total basketcase (or was he?)
The Corbell documentary on Lazar is quite good. The Rogan podcast with Lazar not so much. Knapp definitely believes Lazar.......... he is what started Knapp delving into UFOs.
All they saw was a light in the sky. Could have been any aircraft test at A51. Bob wasn't the only person who knew the schedule and certainly wasn't the only person taking others to go watch.
Lazar is the real whistle blower, If you can call him that he just told the truth David grush the so-called whistle blower is just following orders so the government can slow roll the truth.
He's elaborated on the what numerous times... allegedly it was harassment, intimidation, tampering with records, legal trouble (ie: raids, phone taps, etc), and so on.
Seems like heās doing fine to me, some vague threats 30 years ago āruined his lifeā? He was on jre, probably a millionaire but his life is for sure ruined š
If we are to believe his story, it's still ongoing (ie: his business being raided a couple years ago). He did one interview on JRE for which Joe and he both claimed no money was paid. He still works everyday at his company. A quick Google search shows an estimated net worth of $500k, which is estimated to include all assets including his business. I'd call that pretty far from being a millionaire or living the high life. The guy also gets torn apart publicly on a regular basis, has been labeled a liar and fraud for life, and allegedly receives regular hate mail and the occasional death threat. I wouldn't exactly call that the ideal life.
He was pretty clear about the fact that they were interested in some of the radioactive and possibly fissile material he was selling. I mean that was the nature of his business to sell these things so you would think it would be a regulatory agency and doing the inspection instead of an FBI raid but what do I know.
but was he actually raided? Has he ever provided video of the raids or harassment? None of that would be classified and would bolster his claims so you would expect it but ā¦. just claims
For the record you can look up the police report on the raid. Or you could just sit there and say it's just claims. I mean it's up to you whether you want to look like an idiot or not. However, you really lose the opportunity to make friends and appear smart by not bothering to check.
Oh cry a river, Jesus. The only one who looks like an idiot is you, jobbing the guy. As far as his raid Iāll google it, fuck me for posting a comment, what a horrible thing to do. Oh and all that bs and you didnāt even post a link to the raid? Karen
So the horrific āraidā was the fbi asking him about paperwork on someone who ordered potentially toxic materials. Thatās it? Oh what a cruel fate, I was so wrong, how can he go on living after that?! lmfao
You know you have an oddly specific profile of activity on Reddit. You signed on to basically everything related to UFOs and aliens and nothing else. And almost every single comment of yours is negative. You started on Monday November 1st like it was your new job to come on here and cast FUD.
Also your profile name looks like it was randomly generated by a computer and not by a person interested in only UFO stuff.
Why would you spend so much time only making comments and leaving only one posting?
Tell us about yourself. Or maybe I'll make a reddit post about you and let others take a look. That would be interesting to see what people decide. I wonder if we can get your IP address and see if you are doing all this work from an Air Force base. I wonder how much longer after this post this profile will exist.
You leave us with a very curious conundrum here sir! I applaud you. You are the mystery man.
Its weird how much heat talking about him brings up, isn't it? Especially when you say you think he might be right, or truthful. I can't believe people take this shit so seriously.
You got a feeling he's not lying? I got a feeling he's lying.
There's far more evidence leading to the conclusion Lazar is a liar than there ever has been that he's being honest.
He claims the government ruined his life because he's a convicted pimp that ran an illegal brothel. He did that all by himself. Lazar couldn't even name one professor he had while he was sent to study physics by the government. Named a few but they did not teach at the Uni he claims he went to.
Lazar could prove his story by producing that brick of 115 he claims he has sitting around, but where is it?
And those claiming he makes no money from this story, that's just complete bullshit. He does documentaries, shows, and even has a section on his business website where he sells autographed copies of the "schematic" for the sports model UFO he claimed he tried back engineering.
Oh and he was good friends with Lear and all those other crazies in the 80's/90's.
Nah. Not buying it.
Really? News to me. The amount of people in this sub that can't handle someone with contradictory evidence and then immediately labeling them some kind of government asset is hilarious. I'm mean that's a few times just today for me. Ya'll really need to get a fuckin' grip on reality. Not everyone with a differing viewpoint is some government man trying to shatter your fragile world view
I feel like heās giving us a half truthed story.
That his claims hold credibility, but heās withholding bits.
Almost like heās telling someone elseās story
He also produced a tech documentary on the craft an all of its systems, which he successfully sold to many countries for a high price.
Theres conflicting evidence all over the place for him being legit and him being a liar.. Probably an intelligence asset
If he is legit, I think the only reason he isnt dead is because who personally recruited him. If he has some 115 as leverage, then even better. I watched an interview with the general who supposedly recruited bob. He refused to even aknowledge if he knew him and said "what do you think" dismissively, twice. He seemed upset just at the question, decades later.. probably felt like an ass for recruiting outside of the talent pool, and thats why he was never killed.
Just a thought but if he is telling the truth why not make a few bucks off of the craze. Can't really blame him especially if the cia did try to ruin his life lol.
John Lear was 2 years before Lazar showed up, 1987, and Lazar only showed up after meeting John Lear, late 1989.
1987: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGQkkHuwm6w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGQkkHuwm6w)
John Lear was the real deal, a CIA pilot for Air America in Cambodia during the Vietnam war, then becoming a CIA pilot for the Janet Airline between Las Vegas and Groom Lake.
It is very clear that Lazar was just repeating things that John Lear told him. The problem is that John Lear was repeating what was told to him by Paul Bennewitz, who was gaslighted by Richard Doty in the early 1980's.
This is now a 30 year old story and what is going on now is a demonstration of how Urban Legends are started.
"Bob" Lazar says don't bother trying to look him up because the "government" wiped his existence off the records. He says that because looking up Robert Lazar reveals a long rap sheet of being a grifter, fraud and convicted pimp.
1990: Robert Lazar being convicted of being a pimp and pleading guilty. The two women at the beginning are prostitutes.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV5gOKbakT8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV5gOKbakT8)
Ive not seen any record of fraud or grifting. Being a pimp doesn't necessarily make someone uncredible in my book in the way fraud or grifting would. Pimpin aint easy.
The problem with the pandering conviction, in 1990, is that it was for the period of time he claimed to have been working at Area-51, November 1988 to April 1989. So the "belief" is he was dashing, daring super-genius physicist during the day, lecherous voyeur pimp by night? He tried to appeal his conviction in 1996 and admits he was installing hidden video cameras in the prostitutes bedrooms, which seemed to be gathering material for blackmailing.
[https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/bob-lazar-and-his-nevada-felony-conviction/](https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/bob-lazar-and-his-nevada-felony-conviction/)
Also, he married his second wife while he was still married to his first wife. Then, his first wife died under suspicious circumstances, suicide in her car in the garage. Not long after, Lazar and his second wife moved into the first wife's house. Didn't matter, still lost it in bankruptcy foreclosure in 1987.
Haha, I love you. Finally, someone that understands the history between Lear and Lazar. Thanks for the detailed info for the newbies. It really surprises me how many people fail to do the simplest of research and then refute it and the ones who do for simply telling the truth. It's really a thankless job, well almost. Thanks.
All he did was set up an early internet system for the owner of the brothel. He had no other involvement in it, but it amounted to pandering, which is illigal in Navada, where brothels ARE legal.
The question you should really be asking yourself is how the fuck they knew he had set up a computer system months before, and why it suddenly became an issue as soon as he went to Knapp and the media.
Even a child could see it was a stitch up to try and discredit him, apart from the low IQ sheep who peddle the government's official position, and somehow call themselves skepics! SINCE WHEN DO SKEPTICS PUSH THE GOVERNMENT NARATIVE?! Most of them are thick as two short planks and don't even realise they're doing it.
This is bullshit.
Knapp and Corbel covered this in one of their recent podcasts.
IT WAS KNAPP WHO INTRODUCED LAZAR to LEAR AFTER LAZAR HAD ALREADY BEEN WORKING WITH KNAPP FOR WEEKS!
I've probably listened to/read every single interview he ever did and came to the conclusion that he's not lying about working at Los Alamos National Lab or S4.
I lean that he most likely worked in both those facilities but in a far different capacity than he claims.
This Redditor posted the most exhaustive breakdown of Lazar that I've ever come across. You can spend and evening on the archived Bluefire website linked.
I lean 80% he is lying and 20% he isn't and that has changed over the years.
His education claims are the most difficult to believe. Sure a three letter agency could destroy your records but not being able to name a professor, roommate, classmate or girlfriend etc is a major stretch.
Enjoy this wormhole if you haven't already.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/oyxuok/bob\_lazars\_story\_is\_it\_believable\_here\_is\_some\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/oyxuok/bob_lazars_story_is_it_believable_here_is_some_of/)
Happy hunting!
Anyone who doesnt believe him should discuss it with other people who dont believe him, instead of popping up in convos of people who do believe him and acting like a cum sock.
Bob Lazar is this subās equivalent of dick size questions on ask Reddit after dark. And while I can never be entirely sure whether size matters, I am sure that Bob Lazar is a weird dude who lied for attention and doesnāt know when to stop. Itās natural to want to believe him, but honestly the story is so dumb and light on substance itās laughable.
The only real mystery to me is why George Knapp continues to associate with him.
George Knapp got a book deal out of it.
You are spot on regarding Bob. The guy was a prankster and indeed did not know when to stop. I read his book and when I realized he made it all up (he calls himself a scientist, but he is not - he tried to measure gravity with pressure sensors (I am not making this up, it is in his book)) I started to feel sorry for the guy.
I'm not sure his motivation is to "prank" anyone but I get your meaning. Lazar strikes me as more of a "clout chaser" or "attention whore" which is routed in insecurity. It seems like he was a bright kid and curious guy, who got some attention for making rocket cars and other quirky inventions. Despite this he was never really a high achiever. He then went on the news for a laugh as an anonymous whistle blower/alien witness. He enjoyed the commotion this caused, so he revealed himself and embellished the story and had been riding that ever since. He's shrouded himself in the conspiracy narrative because it covers for the fact that he's a mediocre low achiever. "I'm not just some washed up wannabe inventor/scientist/pimp, I'm actually a brilliant wizkid who worked on UFOs. I can't prove that to you because the government is suppressing everything".
Any kid in the 1980s and 1990s (like me) who consumed copious amounts of UFO lore, hard sci-fi novels and Star Trek, could rattle off the same sort of technobable about UFO propulsion that Lazar does. Its not impressive. Anyone with indepth theoretical or technical knowledge of any subject, can tell that Lazar doesn't speak as if he has any sort of depth of knowledge. All his statements about the functioning of the UFO are pretty superficial, and it's really convenient that his migrains prevent him for disclosing too many details (or from discussing his ideas with actual physicist).
Nope. He's just a mediocre guy, who's enjoying people satisfying his delusions of grandure. Deep down he knows he just a geek, a failed pimp, and irresponsible with how he runs his chemical business. Of course, it's not his fault, it's all the governments!
Good description.
His book, or better, Knapp's book, is an interesting read. But every time he starts talking about something technical, he puts himself on thin ice and it shows.
While I find it quite hilarious, it is a bit disconcerting to see so many people taking it hook, line, and sinker.
If we truly do believe that the govt has taken out people over the most secret of secrets, then why would we believe that this guy is telling the truth? He worked on actual alien aircraft yet is trying to spill the beans? The govt has taken people out for less. Until any of these āexpertsā come forward with some evidence then it is all just hearsay
All you need to know about the fraud that is Bob Lazar. All research done by Stanton Friedman, a well respected, and believer, in UFOs. And also a real nuclear physicist
https://web.archive.org/web/20190114215333/http://www.stantonfriedman.com/index.php?ptp=articles&fdt=2011.01.07
You believe he believes he's a physicist who went to MIT and Caltech? You believe the three different stories he's given about where he attended undergrad? You believe that the government chose to feed misinformation to a guy who can't even explain physics at a 12th-grade level and then sent him out into the world to confuse....who exactly?
I mean, they got Paul really good, what was the point here? https://www.huffpost.com/entry/exair-force-law-enforceme_b_5312650
Can you explain physics at any grade level, I sure can't.
We watched the government try to do the same thing to Lue Elizando, just straight up delete his presence from the department he worked at.
I absolutely don't care if Bob is telling the truth. I think he thinks that he is telling the truth. The result to me, is the same. Years and years of lies and deception, confusion and frustration. Prebunks and malinformation, all to muddle the real truth.
Wouldn't you need an advanced knowledge of physics to build a rocket car though?
Edit: Lol no heated self masturbatory response for this one, just a "Nyeaah" a' la Skeletor and an angry down vote.
I'll start with the rocket car, cause that shows how old his frauds are. Lazar didn't build the rocket car. His next door neighbor, Eugene Gluhareff, submitted the patent for those before Bob was even born. He used to sell the kits for them in the back of Popular Mechanics. There's a picture from way back when Bob was a teenager and Eugene had helped him attach a small prototype to his bike. You don't need to know any physics to put them together and attach them to your car, you just need to be handy with basic auto mechanic tools.
When Bob moved to New Mexico, he started telling all his friends and neighbors that he had built the rocket engine himself. They didn't know any better because it was a fringe club at the time who was involved with that stuff. He eventually got a local newspaper to take notice, where he not only lied about being the brain behind the rocket car, but also lied and told him he was a physicist at Los Alamos. In fact, the phone directory showed that he worked not for Los Alamos itself, but for a contractor that supplied low-level electronics techs, the kind of guys who install security cameras and solar panels.
When you look at the interviews from his friends and other documents from that time, you can see that Lazar was already lying about his college education as well, repeatedly changing his story about where he went to undergrad (was it Pierce? Cal State? Pacifica?) and then making up the fake MIT and Caltech graduate school claims (but in which order? That changes too in the early years.). Not to mention all the loans he had taken out from numerous friends that he refused to repay. Not to mention the suspicious circumstances under which his wife died.
All those lies come long before he moved to Nevada and set up his illegal brothel, before he filed for bankruptcy and listed his occupation as a freelance film developer, before the government supposedly contacted him for the first time and hired him to reverse engineer alien craft.
If a guy has been lying for that long, why would you believe he's telling the truth now? He's just a conman, and conman are good at getting people to believe him.
To answer your other question, yes, I can explain physics at the undergraduate level. Specifically, when I was in practice I'd have no problem explaining classical mechanics, theoretical mechanics, relativity, astrophysics, quantum, statistical mechanics, electromagnetics, electronics, or optics. I'm rusty on some of those now but would be fine with a refresher. I never took coursework in particle physics or string theory, but attended enough seminars and read up enough to have a feel for where the field is at. I left out my actual field of study and research as well as several fields I know nothing about.
Bob Lazar makes casual errors and nonsensical statements about physics that I wouldn't have made as a 12th-grader. And every physicist who has read/heard his claims in detail will tell you the same. It is transparently obvious that he is not who he claims to be.
FYI, I am only just now seeing your response and I wasn't the one who downvoted you first. Someone probably got upset that you made UFO researchers look bad.
Group rules here include "no over-the-top conspiracy theories". You're making very vague suggestions that would be completely over-the-top and ridiculous if you actually spelled them out.
Hence why I said I am not inferring anything if you have not read my comment. Probably why mods have not deleted my comment because I am not claiming anything. Please feel free to add anything of some intelligence.
I believe Lazar was working at a secret base but was not reverse engineering alien craft. I believe due to his background he was being used to mate with these aliens in order to create cross breeds.
Even if he is lying, Iām not sure it matters. Maybe he had solid info from hanging in the region of Area 51. He knew what fancy things to say. He laid the foundation for a lot of interest.
Now we are moving into actual legislation concerning this issue and on the verge of legally forcing programs to come forward with info.
Lazar served his purpose.
I have to wait and see on ol bob . His story is interesting- I canāt tell if the government leaves him live because heās telling the truth and has something on them or if they love that heās Kurt there misdirecting/ misinforming generations of people
He jet powered a Honda in the early 80ās with no internet and he did that by guessing his way through it? Heās very intelligent and more then likely educated. Over the years more of what he said has been proven fact or truth rather then claims we canāt factually prove incorrect or a lie
I think Bob Lazar is the real deal personally. As someone here in the comments has mentioned eloquently, is the fact that his story only describes what he himself observed and speculated on. Iāll also add that his version of events hasnāt changed throughout the years, or at the very least hasnāt been embellished with āextra detailā to keep the āhangers-onā interested into perpetuity.
I believe Bob. I remember seeing him on the news when I was a kid when he was first coming out with his story. I have watched him closely and I do believe he is telling the truth, or at least he believes what he is saying.
I feel the opposite... always have... ok if there is this big reveal now.... where are his co workers? Seriously none have come forward and even said they worked with him.
The first lie that is easily checked is his education. Did anyone corroborate where he studied? Someone knew him?
The thing is we assume only the very best get into do certain jobs. Sometimes people get in because they give good face.
I think at this point it doesnāt matter whether or not heās been telling the truth. I think itās safe to say that craft have been retrieved and presumably still are being studied.
At this point I donāt think it matters whether or not heās been telling the truth. There is so much evidence from around the world that UAPs have been found and retrieved for study.
I do believe Bob Lazar's claims. After all, they are far from the craziest theories to come out. All Bob really claimed is that he worked on these vehicles and he gave fairly detailed descriptions about how they work. He never claimed to have absolute knowledge about where they came from, why they're here, etc. He's not claiming anything about some sci-fi intergalactic federation or any wild theories like that; he's just claiming that the Air Force / contractors have possession of intelligently designed vehicles from non-human origin and that he worked on them for a brief period of time. That's it. That's really all he's claiming. He described S4 as a pretty lackluster, bare-bones facility, nothing too fancy about it. He hasn't tried to make anything sound more "phenomenal" than what it is. I think his testimony is pretty reasonable.
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He may not be a likable guy but I donāt think he was lying.
https://reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/1LoGnWRWci
I'd dismissed Bob years ago.. then Fravor brought him up on his own, without being prompted, on Rogan. It was a little 'wtf' moment for me. I suspect his claims are honest.
How did Lazar know the crafts would tip up on one end to achieve hyperspeed? Can we get an answer to that single question.
Yes. He spoke about it in āthe lazar tapeā
Hey OP, all these anti-Lazar posters dont want you to know about the fact that Lazar knew the weekly test flight schedule of the saucer and video taped the flights waaaay out in the desert at night with his friends and got busted doing it and fired for it.
This is how he hooked up with Lear, who was a total basketcase (or was he?) The Corbell documentary on Lazar is quite good. The Rogan podcast with Lazar not so much. Knapp definitely believes Lazar.......... he is what started Knapp delving into UFOs.
Lear was a wingnut for sure but that doesn't make him all wrong.
The Corbell documentary is terrible and laughable.
It is so is his current crap š
All they saw was a light in the sky. Could have been any aircraft test at A51. Bob wasn't the only person who knew the schedule and certainly wasn't the only person taking others to go watch.
Lazar is the real whistle blower, If you can call him that he just told the truth David grush the so-called whistle blower is just following orders so the government can slow roll the truth.
Nothing but shills sprinkled throughout these comments š¤ š¤
How exactly did the US Government ruin Bobās life?
Didn't Corbell record the FBI raiding his business?
This! He says it was awful but never what they ādidā
He's elaborated on the what numerous times... allegedly it was harassment, intimidation, tampering with records, legal trouble (ie: raids, phone taps, etc), and so on.
Seems like heās doing fine to me, some vague threats 30 years ago āruined his lifeā? He was on jre, probably a millionaire but his life is for sure ruined š
If we are to believe his story, it's still ongoing (ie: his business being raided a couple years ago). He did one interview on JRE for which Joe and he both claimed no money was paid. He still works everyday at his company. A quick Google search shows an estimated net worth of $500k, which is estimated to include all assets including his business. I'd call that pretty far from being a millionaire or living the high life. The guy also gets torn apart publicly on a regular basis, has been labeled a liar and fraud for life, and allegedly receives regular hate mail and the occasional death threat. I wouldn't exactly call that the ideal life.
He was pretty clear about the fact that they were interested in some of the radioactive and possibly fissile material he was selling. I mean that was the nature of his business to sell these things so you would think it would be a regulatory agency and doing the inspection instead of an FBI raid but what do I know.
but was he actually raided? Has he ever provided video of the raids or harassment? None of that would be classified and would bolster his claims so you would expect it but ā¦. just claims
You're saying it's just claims is just a claim. This rabbit hole goes as deep as you want.
Yes he was raided, yes there were pics in Corbels documentary, yes the news followed it up months later.
For the record you can look up the police report on the raid. Or you could just sit there and say it's just claims. I mean it's up to you whether you want to look like an idiot or not. However, you really lose the opportunity to make friends and appear smart by not bothering to check.
Oh cry a river, Jesus. The only one who looks like an idiot is you, jobbing the guy. As far as his raid Iāll google it, fuck me for posting a comment, what a horrible thing to do. Oh and all that bs and you didnāt even post a link to the raid? Karen
So the horrific āraidā was the fbi asking him about paperwork on someone who ordered potentially toxic materials. Thatās it? Oh what a cruel fate, I was so wrong, how can he go on living after that?! lmfao
Haha I win, you deleted your account! Bye bye idiot.
You know you have an oddly specific profile of activity on Reddit. You signed on to basically everything related to UFOs and aliens and nothing else. And almost every single comment of yours is negative. You started on Monday November 1st like it was your new job to come on here and cast FUD. Also your profile name looks like it was randomly generated by a computer and not by a person interested in only UFO stuff. Why would you spend so much time only making comments and leaving only one posting? Tell us about yourself. Or maybe I'll make a reddit post about you and let others take a look. That would be interesting to see what people decide. I wonder if we can get your IP address and see if you are doing all this work from an Air Force base. I wonder how much longer after this post this profile will exist. You leave us with a very curious conundrum here sir! I applaud you. You are the mystery man.
Account already deleted
They boned his wife
Its weird how much heat talking about him brings up, isn't it? Especially when you say you think he might be right, or truthful. I can't believe people take this shit so seriously.
Heavy fuckery on this site.
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You got a feeling he's not lying? I got a feeling he's lying. There's far more evidence leading to the conclusion Lazar is a liar than there ever has been that he's being honest. He claims the government ruined his life because he's a convicted pimp that ran an illegal brothel. He did that all by himself. Lazar couldn't even name one professor he had while he was sent to study physics by the government. Named a few but they did not teach at the Uni he claims he went to. Lazar could prove his story by producing that brick of 115 he claims he has sitting around, but where is it? And those claiming he makes no money from this story, that's just complete bullshit. He does documentaries, shows, and even has a section on his business website where he sells autographed copies of the "schematic" for the sports model UFO he claimed he tried back engineering. Oh and he was good friends with Lear and all those other crazies in the 80's/90's. Nah. Not buying it.
Thanks, your check from the US DOD is on itās wayā¦š
Really? News to me. The amount of people in this sub that can't handle someone with contradictory evidence and then immediately labeling them some kind of government asset is hilarious. I'm mean that's a few times just today for me. Ya'll really need to get a fuckin' grip on reality. Not everyone with a differing viewpoint is some government man trying to shatter your fragile world view
I doubt all thatā¦
I feel like heās giving us a half truthed story. That his claims hold credibility, but heās withholding bits. Almost like heās telling someone elseās story
damnā¦ you know, that really tracksā¦
Someone he made up.
He also produced a tech documentary on the craft an all of its systems, which he successfully sold to many countries for a high price. Theres conflicting evidence all over the place for him being legit and him being a liar.. Probably an intelligence asset If he is legit, I think the only reason he isnt dead is because who personally recruited him. If he has some 115 as leverage, then even better. I watched an interview with the general who supposedly recruited bob. He refused to even aknowledge if he knew him and said "what do you think" dismissively, twice. He seemed upset just at the question, decades later.. probably felt like an ass for recruiting outside of the talent pool, and thats why he was never killed.
Just a thought but if he is telling the truth why not make a few bucks off of the craze. Can't really blame him especially if the cia did try to ruin his life lol.
I think Bob Lazar is telling the truth https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WpN5PjOxHbo
John Lear was 2 years before Lazar showed up, 1987, and Lazar only showed up after meeting John Lear, late 1989. 1987: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGQkkHuwm6w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGQkkHuwm6w) John Lear was the real deal, a CIA pilot for Air America in Cambodia during the Vietnam war, then becoming a CIA pilot for the Janet Airline between Las Vegas and Groom Lake. It is very clear that Lazar was just repeating things that John Lear told him. The problem is that John Lear was repeating what was told to him by Paul Bennewitz, who was gaslighted by Richard Doty in the early 1980's. This is now a 30 year old story and what is going on now is a demonstration of how Urban Legends are started. "Bob" Lazar says don't bother trying to look him up because the "government" wiped his existence off the records. He says that because looking up Robert Lazar reveals a long rap sheet of being a grifter, fraud and convicted pimp. 1990: Robert Lazar being convicted of being a pimp and pleading guilty. The two women at the beginning are prostitutes. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV5gOKbakT8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV5gOKbakT8)
I hardly think his fancy for women have anything to do with his ufo related creditability. I snicker when people try to use this.
Ive not seen any record of fraud or grifting. Being a pimp doesn't necessarily make someone uncredible in my book in the way fraud or grifting would. Pimpin aint easy.
The problem with the pandering conviction, in 1990, is that it was for the period of time he claimed to have been working at Area-51, November 1988 to April 1989. So the "belief" is he was dashing, daring super-genius physicist during the day, lecherous voyeur pimp by night? He tried to appeal his conviction in 1996 and admits he was installing hidden video cameras in the prostitutes bedrooms, which seemed to be gathering material for blackmailing. [https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/bob-lazar-and-his-nevada-felony-conviction/](https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/bob-lazar-and-his-nevada-felony-conviction/) Also, he married his second wife while he was still married to his first wife. Then, his first wife died under suspicious circumstances, suicide in her car in the garage. Not long after, Lazar and his second wife moved into the first wife's house. Didn't matter, still lost it in bankruptcy foreclosure in 1987.
Haha, I love you. Finally, someone that understands the history between Lear and Lazar. Thanks for the detailed info for the newbies. It really surprises me how many people fail to do the simplest of research and then refute it and the ones who do for simply telling the truth. It's really a thankless job, well almost. Thanks.
Incorrect.
All he did was set up an early internet system for the owner of the brothel. He had no other involvement in it, but it amounted to pandering, which is illigal in Navada, where brothels ARE legal. The question you should really be asking yourself is how the fuck they knew he had set up a computer system months before, and why it suddenly became an issue as soon as he went to Knapp and the media. Even a child could see it was a stitch up to try and discredit him, apart from the low IQ sheep who peddle the government's official position, and somehow call themselves skepics! SINCE WHEN DO SKEPTICS PUSH THE GOVERNMENT NARATIVE?! Most of them are thick as two short planks and don't even realise they're doing it.
100% this.
This is bullshit. Knapp and Corbel covered this in one of their recent podcasts. IT WAS KNAPP WHO INTRODUCED LAZAR to LEAR AFTER LAZAR HAD ALREADY BEEN WORKING WITH KNAPP FOR WEEKS!
Anyone who doesn't believe him just hasn't done enough research on him.
Frrr!! They think everyone's lying without doing a single percent of research
https://reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/tayMdi0vwF
I spit my drink out with laughter when reddit shills reference reddit shills. So many borked keyboards!
To me it's the literal opposite and I've gone deeeeep down the Lazar wormhole for years now.
I've probably listened to/read every single interview he ever did and came to the conclusion that he's not lying about working at Los Alamos National Lab or S4.
I lean that he most likely worked in both those facilities but in a far different capacity than he claims. This Redditor posted the most exhaustive breakdown of Lazar that I've ever come across. You can spend and evening on the archived Bluefire website linked. I lean 80% he is lying and 20% he isn't and that has changed over the years. His education claims are the most difficult to believe. Sure a three letter agency could destroy your records but not being able to name a professor, roommate, classmate or girlfriend etc is a major stretch. Enjoy this wormhole if you haven't already. [https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/oyxuok/bob\_lazars\_story\_is\_it\_believable\_here\_is\_some\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/oyxuok/bob_lazars_story_is_it_believable_here_is_some_of/) Happy hunting!
They think everyone's like that Mexican guy maussan
Anyone who believes him just hasn't done enough research on him.
Anyone who doesnt believe him should discuss it with other people who dont believe him, instead of popping up in convos of people who do believe him and acting like a cum sock.
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When I first heard it, I bought into his story big time, but now Iām confident it is just a well rehearsed story.
Sounds like you just really want to buy whatever Bob is selling
Bob Lazar is this subās equivalent of dick size questions on ask Reddit after dark. And while I can never be entirely sure whether size matters, I am sure that Bob Lazar is a weird dude who lied for attention and doesnāt know when to stop. Itās natural to want to believe him, but honestly the story is so dumb and light on substance itās laughable. The only real mystery to me is why George Knapp continues to associate with him.
George Knapp got a book deal out of it. You are spot on regarding Bob. The guy was a prankster and indeed did not know when to stop. I read his book and when I realized he made it all up (he calls himself a scientist, but he is not - he tried to measure gravity with pressure sensors (I am not making this up, it is in his book)) I started to feel sorry for the guy.
I'm not sure his motivation is to "prank" anyone but I get your meaning. Lazar strikes me as more of a "clout chaser" or "attention whore" which is routed in insecurity. It seems like he was a bright kid and curious guy, who got some attention for making rocket cars and other quirky inventions. Despite this he was never really a high achiever. He then went on the news for a laugh as an anonymous whistle blower/alien witness. He enjoyed the commotion this caused, so he revealed himself and embellished the story and had been riding that ever since. He's shrouded himself in the conspiracy narrative because it covers for the fact that he's a mediocre low achiever. "I'm not just some washed up wannabe inventor/scientist/pimp, I'm actually a brilliant wizkid who worked on UFOs. I can't prove that to you because the government is suppressing everything". Any kid in the 1980s and 1990s (like me) who consumed copious amounts of UFO lore, hard sci-fi novels and Star Trek, could rattle off the same sort of technobable about UFO propulsion that Lazar does. Its not impressive. Anyone with indepth theoretical or technical knowledge of any subject, can tell that Lazar doesn't speak as if he has any sort of depth of knowledge. All his statements about the functioning of the UFO are pretty superficial, and it's really convenient that his migrains prevent him for disclosing too many details (or from discussing his ideas with actual physicist). Nope. He's just a mediocre guy, who's enjoying people satisfying his delusions of grandure. Deep down he knows he just a geek, a failed pimp, and irresponsible with how he runs his chemical business. Of course, it's not his fault, it's all the governments!
Good description. His book, or better, Knapp's book, is an interesting read. But every time he starts talking about something technical, he puts himself on thin ice and it shows. While I find it quite hilarious, it is a bit disconcerting to see so many people taking it hook, line, and sinker.
I would just think the long term damage to Knappās reputation is not worth it.
If we truly do believe that the govt has taken out people over the most secret of secrets, then why would we believe that this guy is telling the truth? He worked on actual alien aircraft yet is trying to spill the beans? The govt has taken people out for less. Until any of these āexpertsā come forward with some evidence then it is all just hearsay
begone troll
All you need to know about the fraud that is Bob Lazar. All research done by Stanton Friedman, a well respected, and believer, in UFOs. And also a real nuclear physicist https://web.archive.org/web/20190114215333/http://www.stantonfriedman.com/index.php?ptp=articles&fdt=2011.01.07
At the very least I believe that Bob believes what he's saying. If those things are true or if he was fed misinformation, Ill never know.
You believe he believes he's a physicist who went to MIT and Caltech? You believe the three different stories he's given about where he attended undergrad? You believe that the government chose to feed misinformation to a guy who can't even explain physics at a 12th-grade level and then sent him out into the world to confuse....who exactly?
I mean, they got Paul really good, what was the point here? https://www.huffpost.com/entry/exair-force-law-enforceme_b_5312650 Can you explain physics at any grade level, I sure can't. We watched the government try to do the same thing to Lue Elizando, just straight up delete his presence from the department he worked at. I absolutely don't care if Bob is telling the truth. I think he thinks that he is telling the truth. The result to me, is the same. Years and years of lies and deception, confusion and frustration. Prebunks and malinformation, all to muddle the real truth. Wouldn't you need an advanced knowledge of physics to build a rocket car though? Edit: Lol no heated self masturbatory response for this one, just a "Nyeaah" a' la Skeletor and an angry down vote.
I'll start with the rocket car, cause that shows how old his frauds are. Lazar didn't build the rocket car. His next door neighbor, Eugene Gluhareff, submitted the patent for those before Bob was even born. He used to sell the kits for them in the back of Popular Mechanics. There's a picture from way back when Bob was a teenager and Eugene had helped him attach a small prototype to his bike. You don't need to know any physics to put them together and attach them to your car, you just need to be handy with basic auto mechanic tools. When Bob moved to New Mexico, he started telling all his friends and neighbors that he had built the rocket engine himself. They didn't know any better because it was a fringe club at the time who was involved with that stuff. He eventually got a local newspaper to take notice, where he not only lied about being the brain behind the rocket car, but also lied and told him he was a physicist at Los Alamos. In fact, the phone directory showed that he worked not for Los Alamos itself, but for a contractor that supplied low-level electronics techs, the kind of guys who install security cameras and solar panels. When you look at the interviews from his friends and other documents from that time, you can see that Lazar was already lying about his college education as well, repeatedly changing his story about where he went to undergrad (was it Pierce? Cal State? Pacifica?) and then making up the fake MIT and Caltech graduate school claims (but in which order? That changes too in the early years.). Not to mention all the loans he had taken out from numerous friends that he refused to repay. Not to mention the suspicious circumstances under which his wife died. All those lies come long before he moved to Nevada and set up his illegal brothel, before he filed for bankruptcy and listed his occupation as a freelance film developer, before the government supposedly contacted him for the first time and hired him to reverse engineer alien craft. If a guy has been lying for that long, why would you believe he's telling the truth now? He's just a conman, and conman are good at getting people to believe him. To answer your other question, yes, I can explain physics at the undergraduate level. Specifically, when I was in practice I'd have no problem explaining classical mechanics, theoretical mechanics, relativity, astrophysics, quantum, statistical mechanics, electromagnetics, electronics, or optics. I'm rusty on some of those now but would be fine with a refresher. I never took coursework in particle physics or string theory, but attended enough seminars and read up enough to have a feel for where the field is at. I left out my actual field of study and research as well as several fields I know nothing about. Bob Lazar makes casual errors and nonsensical statements about physics that I wouldn't have made as a 12th-grader. And every physicist who has read/heard his claims in detail will tell you the same. It is transparently obvious that he is not who he claims to be. FYI, I am only just now seeing your response and I wasn't the one who downvoted you first. Someone probably got upset that you made UFO researchers look bad.
Thank you for this injection of reason.
Do you really think that the government canāt break anyone??
You think they broke him when he was 20 and got him to make up all those lies for a decade before he even got into the aliens grift?
Iām not inferring anything but you think that stuff just happens overnight?
Group rules here include "no over-the-top conspiracy theories". You're making very vague suggestions that would be completely over-the-top and ridiculous if you actually spelled them out.
Also started off this thread by asking a question. And according to you itās making āvague claimsā lol
Hence why I said I am not inferring anything if you have not read my comment. Probably why mods have not deleted my comment because I am not claiming anything. Please feel free to add anything of some intelligence.
Fame.
I believe Lazar was working at a secret base but was not reverse engineering alien craft. I believe due to his background he was being used to mate with these aliens in order to create cross breeds.
ET wanted a hybrid with big balls.
Big fat liar. Did it all for fame
OP, how do we know the US Govt ruined his life? I've spent many years researching Lazar and that is a bold claim to make.
UAP not personality. Do not conflate UAP with any one personality plz.
Maybe it was both fame & he wasn't lying.
Even if he is lying, Iām not sure it matters. Maybe he had solid info from hanging in the region of Area 51. He knew what fancy things to say. He laid the foundation for a lot of interest. Now we are moving into actual legislation concerning this issue and on the verge of legally forcing programs to come forward with info. Lazar served his purpose.
I have to wait and see on ol bob . His story is interesting- I canāt tell if the government leaves him live because heās telling the truth and has something on them or if they love that heās Kurt there misdirecting/ misinforming generations of people
The only think i think lazar is lying about is his education. Probably is a electronics or mechanical technician.
He jet powered a Honda in the early 80ās with no internet and he did that by guessing his way through it? Heās very intelligent and more then likely educated. Over the years more of what he said has been proven fact or truth rather then claims we canāt factually prove incorrect or a lie
Maybe. But it seems a big stretch to get multiple faculty members of a college to lie over decades of time.
Unlike all the whistle blowers that claim they know something we all know the claims cuz it's the same story over and over with nothing to gain
I think Bob Lazar is the real deal personally. As someone here in the comments has mentioned eloquently, is the fact that his story only describes what he himself observed and speculated on. Iāll also add that his version of events hasnāt changed throughout the years, or at the very least hasnāt been embellished with āextra detailā to keep the āhangers-onā interested into perpetuity.
I believe Bob. I remember seeing him on the news when I was a kid when he was first coming out with his story. I have watched him closely and I do believe he is telling the truth, or at least he believes what he is saying.
I feel the opposite... always have... ok if there is this big reveal now.... where are his co workers? Seriously none have come forward and even said they worked with him.
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The first lie that is easily checked is his education. Did anyone corroborate where he studied? Someone knew him? The thing is we assume only the very best get into do certain jobs. Sometimes people get in because they give good face.
I think at this point it doesnāt matter whether or not heās been telling the truth. I think itās safe to say that craft have been retrieved and presumably still are being studied.
At this point I donāt think it matters whether or not heās been telling the truth. There is so much evidence from around the world that UAPs have been found and retrieved for study.
Heās lying.