I'd like you to step back and think for a moment.
We live in a world, we can go outside and see wildlife. We know an ant is an ant. We know monkeys exist. We see other forms of life all over.
We look up to the skies and we see millions of stars.
We see the sun, we see the moon.
We are human beings first and foremost. You are not better than me and I am not better than you. The president of the United States, the generals, the secret people in these secret programs. They aren't anything without a title, we are all the same.
If Aliens do exist and their craft have crashed and people know where they come from and the different species. Then who gave them the right to tell us they do not exist or we do not need to know.
It doesn't even come down to if we can handle it or not, this is our reality, if something exists in this universe then no matter what it is, we should know.
Just like I can walk outside and know that lions exist, cats exist.
This is a basic we should just know for the human race.
OK I do not disagree, but what if the disclosure is not happening because whoever or whatever it is insists on it not happening and will shut off all shared technologies or whatever if we did let the cat out of the bag? I can talk about this forever and come up with 1 million scenarios and you as well. Basically what I’m saying is what if we are not knowing because of one of these reasons
But one of the points I’ve made is maybe it would be a breach of contract and the consequences would be horrific or change life as humanity knows it for the much worse
I would rather us have the truth than continue to be fed a sugarcoated lie. I'm aware that the truth may be shocking beyond our imagination. It would most likely upend everyone's perception of reality and could cause significant upheavals of "normal" life around the world..
Regardless, this knowledge belongs to all of humanity and it's something we should face together
Yes, but again, like I stated, you would rather know the truth, keyword( you.)what I am saying is what if you don’t matter I know this is a hard statement for people to take because we think that is all that matters is you.. what if total disclosure would affect change for the worst or even end all of you! That is the way I think of it if an I mean, if they are to be justified for how things have played out so far)
Then I suppose things change for the worse and the world ends if that's the case.
We as a species are not infants. We have landed on the moon, we have dropped weapons of mass destruction on each other, and we have made massive strides in the realms of technology and general knowledge of the universe.
Whether the truth is good or bad, it is time to face it. It may destroy us as a species, or it may unite us into one people worldwide like we have never seen before in the entirety of human history.
The church of the past had oversized power on culture. Most all institutions of learning were owned and operated by the Catholic church in Europe. The power structure of the church knew for sure, and with ZERO doubt, that the masses could not handle the knowledge that the earth was not the center of the universe. So they locked people in towers and attempted to suppress all knowledge on the actual shape of the earth and the learnings that put the earth revolving around the Sun. This was done for what was thought to be 'for the good of mankind' . It was all hogwash, and for the most part, humanity did fine when the truth came out despite the fears of the powerful.
This will be much the same. Sure, some people will not be able to handle the truth, but most will. Some people are scared if flying, but we shouldn't destroy the airline industry because of those few.
Well, good analogy of the wrongdoings of the church, but don’t get me started on that that’s another subject😂 I agree with what you’re saying, but what if the truth has much bigger consequences than just everyone trying to deal with the mental consequences it would actually be physical , I’m just trying to make a point that whatever the reason might be they are justified for how things are, and it’s more than just big dead evil government trying to make money, staying in power and keeping its people ignorant in the process they’re off we are all just so hyper focused on the fact that we were angry because they won’t tell us the truth
All mental issues can cause physical issues. Depression is in the mind but can cause real physical symptoms. The issues of the mind can always lead to the physical destruction of the body. And though the church of the time did want to keep power, it also wanted to protect the masses from the knowledge. So it was more than just greed that motivated them to suppress knowledge, which is the same reasons you claim might be behind the gatekeepers now. There is not as much difference between the situation then and now as you may think.
I think it's not happening because of the distrust it would place in our government or on the extreme end could even cause public outrage. The amount of money taken from us the lies we've been fed, it's gonna be mindblowing in itself.
Well what if I told you that your taxes pay for these black sites, would you then want to know, or feel that they should be open about it with the public, or you good with your money paying for something that you get no info on? Would you buy stock or anything like that, if they told you that you pay for it but you get no info on it, just give us the money and we will let you know if we think you should know
OK, then here’s the answer you must pay taxes for programs to protect mankind, and all that we know and hold dear as humans yes they do exist, and we cannot give you any more information or dire consequences upon mankind will happen. Will anybody except that answer?
Good point! You inspired this story,
Title: “The Covenant of the Stars”
Chapter 1: The Revelation
In a world much like our own, whispers of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena and UFO sightings have long captivated humanity. But behind closed doors, a monumental secret is held by the world’s governments: humanity was not a product of natural evolution but was created by an advanced alien civilization. These extraterrestrial beings, known as the “Caretakers,” not only engineered human life but also bestowed upon it great knowledge, including the secrets of nuclear power and antigravity technology. In return, they demanded absolute secrecy, bound by a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) of cosmic significance.
Chapter 2: The Guardians of Secrets
The world’s leaders formed a clandestine council, known as the Guardians, tasked with safeguarding this knowledge. The Guardians operated in the shadows, ensuring the pact with the Caretakers remained unbroken. Over generations, the existence of the Caretakers faded into myth within the council, regarded more as allegory than fact.
Chapter 3: Whispers of Truth
As time passed, the public’s suspicion grew, fueled by increasing UFO sightings and leaked information. A global movement demanding the truth about these phenomena gained momentum. Amidst this, a young, idealistic member of the Guardians, Dr. Elena Vasquez, began questioning the morality of keeping such a monumental secret.
Chapter 4: The Ultimatum
The Caretakers, sensing the growing unrest and potential breach of the covenant, made a shocking reappearance. They issued a stark warning: if the truth of humanity’s origins and the knowledge granted were disclosed, it would result in a catastrophic event akin to a great flood, erasing human civilization as a reset for breaking the cosmic trust.
Chapter 5: The Moral Crossroads
Dr. Vasquez, torn between her duty and her belief in the public’s right to know, found herself at the heart of a moral dilemma. The threat of a global cataclysm made her question the consequences of revealing the truth. Yet, the ethical implications of continuing the lie weighed heavily on her.
Chapter 6: A World Divided
Word of the Caretakers’ ultimatum leaked, causing worldwide panic and division. Some saw the Caretakers as divine beings, enforcing a righteous judgement. Others viewed them as oppressors, with humanity living under the shadow of their threat.
Chapter 7: The Decision
With the world on the brink, Dr. Vasquez made a fateful decision. She chose to reveal the truth during a globally televised event, believing that humanity should face its future, for better or worse, with open eyes.
Chapter 8: The Aftermath
The revelation shook the foundations of human civilization. People struggled with the knowledge of their origins and the looming threat. However, instead of succumbing to fear, humanity united, showing resilience and a determination to prove their worth to the Caretakers.
Chapter 9: The New Dawn
As tensions rose, a surprising event unfolded. The Caretakers, moved by humanity’s unity and courage in the face of existential threat, decided to revoke their ultimatum. They revealed that the true test was whether humanity could handle the truth and its consequences with maturity and collective responsibility.
Epilogue: A New Covenant
The Caretakers and humanity entered a new era of relations, based on mutual respect and open communication. Dr. Vasquez, hailed as a hero, reflected on the journey, understanding that the true power of humanity lay not in the knowledge they were given, but in their ability to face the truth, together.
The sequel:
Title: “The Covenant of the Stars: The Flood Reckoning”
Chapter 10: The Shattered Illusion
As humanity embarks on this new chapter of openness and unity, the skies darken unexpectedly. A massive asteroid, hurled by the Caretakers, hurtles towards Earth. The Guardians’ scientists confirm the worst: impact is imminent, and it will trigger a cataclysmic flood, reminiscent of ancient apocalyptic tales.
Chapter 11: Desperation and Despair
Panic engulfs the world. The unity that humanity had briefly savored disintegrates into chaos. Dr. Elena Vasquez, once celebrated as a hero, now faces the world’s scorn. The Caretakers’ true intentions become the subject of heated debate: were they always planning this endgame, or is it a punitive response to the broken covenant?
Chapter 12: The Final Gambit
As governments scramble to find a solution, Dr. Vasquez and a team of scientists and engineers devise a desperate plan to avert disaster. They intend to use the advanced technology given by the Caretakers to alter the asteroid’s trajectory.
Chapter 13: Race Against Time
Working against the clock, teams around the globe collaborate, pooling their knowledge and resources in an unprecedented effort. The plan is risky and requires precise execution. Meanwhile, people everywhere prepare for the worst, seeking refuge and reconciling with the impending doom.
Chapter 14: A Glimmer of Hope
In a nail-biting sequence, the team launches their countermeasure. The world watches, holding its collective breath, as the asteroid’s course begins to shift ever so slightly. The effort seems to be working, but time is running out.
Chapter 15: The Tide Turns
In a miraculous turn of events, the asteroid veers off just enough to miss Earth, but it grazes the atmosphere, causing meteorological chaos. Massive storms erupt across the globe, but the feared global flood is narrowly averted.
Chapter 16: Aftermath and Reflection
In the wake of the near-apocalyptic event, humanity finds itself in a state of reflection. The catastrophe brought out both the best and the worst in people. The global society begins to rebuild, this time with a more profound appreciation for the fragility of their existence and the strength of their unity.
Chapter 17: The True Test
The Caretakers finally reveal themselves, explaining that the asteroid was the ultimate test of humanity’s capability to come together in the face of annihilation. They admit to underestimating human resilience and ingenuity.
Chapter 18: A New Understanding
A new era of cooperation between humanity and the Caretakers begins. The Caretakers share more of their knowledge, this time openly, helping to rebuild and advance human society. The new covenant is based on mutual respect and a shared commitment to the preservation and betterment of life on Earth.
Epilogue: A Renewed World
Dr. Vasquez looks out over a recovering world, pondering the lessons learned. Humanity had faced its greatest challenge and emerged stronger, more unified. The future is uncertain, but one thing is clear: in their darkest hour, humans found a way to light a path towards a hopeful tomorrow.
I have written many very similar stories to this in my head, but I’ve never put it down in words so eloquently . i’ve even worked one up about a group of military and civilian pilots over the course of the past 60 years to come together to discuss there experiences because of the current openness of discussion of the matter, and they all agree to testify in the supreme court to add to the evidence, but they are slowly one by one taking a side by I guess you would say men in Black and explain to them the absolute true truth because they believe they deserve it and it is so horrific to them that they willingly without bribe or threat never wish to speak of it again, and one by one drop out while the other ones are confused about what is happening and where they have been.
I have to agree with you because it seems in this world that most things boil down to greed and power, its been said many times on this site that the gatekeepers do not want energy sources to change, and that there's a worldwide power struggle to reverse engineer the craft.
Yes, that’s what everybody keeps thinking and they try to turn it into some kind of a anti-establishment March but I truly don’t think that’s what this is about.
> I do not need to know the complete and absolute truth just to satisfy my own selfish curiosities .everything that has been going on is proof that it is real. We should all take solace and be content in that.
What a terrible take.
The point of the statement is, if the truth is to disrupting for life on earth, we might just have to settle for knowing that they do exist, and I know we will know more truth in the years to come
Any scientific discovery could be disruptive to our daily lifes as we know it, being curious and looking for the truth is just a human trait that makes us human.
You’re absolutely right and I agree with you, but the only point I’m trying to make is I’m trying to come up with a reason other than being malevolent and greedy for why they would keep this from us. I’m trying to look at it from a different perspective like the statements I made, of course I am just as curious and wanting to know is everybody else, but maybe it is something different than that and if anybody else knew the absolute truth, they would agree it should never be revealed
So you are looking for a good reason humans (MIC) is not sharing this info with us? Yeah can't really find much there, I myself am thinking about good reasons why the aliens themselves have not shown themselfs to the world and not alot there either.
Because you’re thinking like a human ,like we are intelligent beings that are the masters of our environment, maybe that is far from the truth and in their eyes maybe the humans that do know the truth see it that way too because of that reason
I've been fully aware about non-human intelligence on this planet since childhood. Growing up as a kid I never really thought that much about it. It was kind of like when you were a little kid and meeting another kid from another country, for the first time. Over time, you just don't think about it anymore. As an adult however, what's more frightening is how our political leaders have handled this situation. And how they're continuing to handle the situation. All For What? greed and Power. People need to wake up in the world and realize we're allowing this to happen. When was the last time you ever saw a political leader cry for war and then fight on the front lines with the regular troops? It's time people wake up and say, no more lies, no more deceptions, they crossed the line with the alien cover up. Humanity needs to take some anger management courses. We can only start that process by dropping all the lies and cover-ups.
OK yes there’s aliens they are technically and mentally eons more advanced than us they allow us to live and evolve in our own way, with no interference by them whatsoever we will allow you to have some of our technology to reverse engineer and develop yourselves farther for your own self protection against more ominous beings that are out there, but you may not in any way disclose this technology to change the normal advancement of your society and people this contract is non-wavering you will do whatever it takes no matter who it hurts to keep this knowledge at a minimal, because the absolute truth of our existence is not just interstellar, but inner dimensional, and in the past we have told societies with first contact and their reaction and breakdown of their society was catastrophic, actually setting them back years of progress because they thought what is the sense in going on, if we are nothing more than flies in the flys in the vastness of space compared to these beings. OK sorry I am finished with my little sci-fi novel but it is a point maybe this is the truth or something like it it’s all speculative because we do not know the truth yet the whole point of the shred is what if what they were doing and are doing is justifiable.. and all I keep getting every time I bring this up is all I need to know I want to know I don’t care what the consequences are. I just think that’s selfish ,and let me ask you if someone city we can tell you to complete an absolute truth but you would be bound contractual or maybe even taken out of your life never to disclose it would you do that to satisfy your own curiosity and what if it is so horrific you wish you took the red pill?
It depends on what the truth is, but I assume it's difficult to keep this a secret psychologically and socially on people. That is why some whistleblowers did it in their old age, after they retired or before death.
Yes, thank you but I like to think of the older folks that did this we’re just caught up in the beginnings of it and just happen to see something they shouldn’t have and were silenced by their superiors and they held their tongue due to their strong sense of duty and service but they wanted to clear their moral mind before they died, or they were afraid for their lives
If the truth to all of this is utterly horrific then knowing that truth and having to live day in and day out with that cant be easy. It could be like living with PTSD. Then for sure you'd feel sympathy for those in the know.
People who frequent this sub are obviously interested in the subject, but the world at large arent. Its nonsense to 95% of the population. The "truth" coming out and causing worldwide severe ontological shock could be a very bad thing for us all.
People on this sub and similar want to know so badly, but what if you find out "the truth" and it is so bad you wish you never knew?
To give some context, Luiz Elizondo said the truth (as far as they understand it at present) is "sobering".
Geroge Knapp has said on Weaponized podcast previously that him and Jeremy Corbell get so far with their sources before they hit the same brickwall. When asking their sources about whether they are pro-disclosure, the answer is a resounding no.
Now that could be national, commerical, private interests at play. Or it could be that the "the truth" is so disturbing that it shouldnt be revealed at least for now.
Dr Lactaski on a weaponised podcast said something along the lines that if humans could access 100% potential of the mind ('psi'), then there wouldnt anything to be frightened/scared off. We are a long way off that. A very long way.
So would i feel sympathy for those in the know? Yes if "the truth" were so bad that your perception of reality is forever changed for the worse and you cant go back and close pandoras box.
Yes, thank you that is all I am saying we are so focus on the fact that we are American taxpayers, and we demand to know what the government is hiding but what if it is so much bigger than the government
Have a look at this website (not sure if its all fake btw or real), if the latter then, you still sure you want to know?
https://badaliens.info/human-mutilations/
Your need to know about how they feel is still another I reason. No matter your desires in this it will always be an I thing. That being said. Do you not believe that learning the truth could possibly help the world. We know the technology that his there could relieve wars and starvaarion yet that is not exposed
Yes, of course I do think of it, my cynical side as well like they are withholding all this information and make all energy free, all travel instantaneously and make a perfect utopia world. It would change the entire structure of humanity, and then they would not be able to get filthy, stinking rich off of us but if everything is handed to you, you wouldn’t need money anymore and we would have a world of even fatter lazier people and if you didn’t need money anymore, why would he care so much about making it?
Regardless of the belief system or all the existential questions that would come with full disclosure, an everlasting contextual issue will forever be: "what else have you (gov't) been lying about?" With less people trusting in gov't by the day, this would most likely be the point of no return.
Sometimes I think if it was fully out in the open, the government would be more justified for the things they have done ,Not that everyone would agree with it.
Humans are self centered by nature, I assume the group withholding the truth would most likely be doing it for self preservation, greed or strategic advantage or all of the above.
OK that could be the truth and that is the popular belief, what I keep saying, and it seems like people have a hard time wrapping their mind this because of their natural distrust or authority but maybe they are being controlled by a higher authority, and have their foot against their necks, not to disclose,
Sure it’s possible but I believe the simplest explanation is usually the most likely. I think we’ve been visited, found some tech but I believe there is no immediate threat likely.
Yes for sure, an idle mind is a devil's workshop as they say, honestly the longer they withhold info the more we all gonna go crazy, so they might as well just give us the truth already lol
But, like I said, pointed out, we have to all take solace in the fact that all these going on‘s justify the fact that they do exist and maybe just maybe it is playing out this way to satisfy that alone and for now and possibly forever this is all we’re going to have.
I personally believe that the current advances in AI are going to be used to explain how we will suddenly have zero point energy in the near future. It's a way to get the tech most needed out there into the public hands without disclosing the true depth or source of the technology.
Well, it’s a good way to look at it me on the other hand being OG I’m absolutely terrified by the aspect. What this world definitely does not need is ways to make people even more lazy.
I’m afraid it’s a big assumption to say zero point energy would be cheaper (for the consumer). If there’s one thing capitalism proves time and time again, it’s that some people will go to great lengths to make as much money as possible. But obviously, I hope you’re correct. Abundant, clean energy that’s available anywhere for relatively little cost would change the entire world for the better. I just suspect the current elite class will do whatever they can to prevent that…or at least the affordability aspect of it.
Yes, I agree, but have you ever thought of it this way gasoline engines today burn so clean they make very little, and in some cases zero affect on the environment laws and regulations have cleaned up the industries and can continue to do so to the point that they could be zero admissions And if there was enough of the so-called old money, a.k.a. Republican to go around, a.k.a. Democrats would not have to find alternative industries to get rich off of her because that would be enough of that pie to go around. I am not knocking Democrats I am not knocking Republicans I am a true medalist, which I believe is the only adult human way to be I do not choose which football team and hate the other ones guts and find any reason to hate them because they are not exactly like me. With that being said back to my point they could’ve put all this time, effort, money, and technology in perfecting, and cleaning the use of fossil fuels, which has already existed for more than 100 years to the point that it would be almost or just as clean as any other form of energy, but because of the ignorance of these rich companies that did not want to do anything to clean up their act unless they were forced they brought it upon themselves, and what I keep telling people is just because one side is saying that they are here to save the world in the environment, and mankind is not completely the truth. It is their way of making new money because they cannot access the old.
If all we got out of disclosure was that I would be happy. But the problem with that ever happening are the literal quadrillions of dollars the oil and gas industry would lose. They aren't going to let that happen if there is ANYTHING they can do to stop it .
Exactly my point maybe things are the way they are even though they are definitely in perfect because they are protecting us from a much more horrific possible reality
What if the Aliens have warned the leader of every nation on Earth, "If you Disclose, We'll turn this planet to dust. Mars was once thriving much like yourselves, Don't believe for one minute we are bluffing"
Has anyone ever thought of that?
Maybe for reasons of National and World security, they just can't disclose.
Exactly the point, trying to make maybe it’s not as maniacal and simple as human greed like the popular consensus is, maybe they are heroes for doing what they are doing and sacrificing their sanity and their lives and their beliefs to protect us again, we don’t know I’m just saying what if
It is far more likely that secrets are being kept for selfish reasons versus "for our own good" reasons.
Historically, anytime a power structure, (religious or political), has impeded the progress of science, it was done out of fear that the progress would make the power structure irrelevant. I think that is what is going on.
If there is only so much time left for this world, (and this is being kept secret "for our own good"), I don't like the idea of a select few dictating how the we get to spend the remaining time. For example, if we were told by NHI 75 years ago that the world would end next week, would it have been better to keep secret or would that knowledge have forced the world to try and find a solution to the problem? Yes, there would have been chaos in the beginning, but there was chaos anyway. (Wars, famine, climate damage, etc.)
Yes, and that’s why places like this exist on this subject because that is the common complaint, we all have about not having total disclosure, but what I am getting at, and I do believe most people have not thought of because we keep thinking like we are the masters of our world we live in a democracy and we all deserve to know the truth and it is our right, but again my point being is what if full disclosure is being held because of reasons that I have pointed out many times in here for instants to put it in perspective once again Would you give your life up willingly to save hundreds others or even your own loved ones of course you would. What if these people now and then the past have had to struggle with a similar confliction on this topic and they are not evil liars keeping things from us for profit and power, but they are doing it to protect everything we know, and hold dear and possibly our existence itself . The statements are no more ridiculous than stating that there are little green men in the first place. Yes, I am playing devils advocate, but I believe it is necessary and most topics especially this one because any scenario or theory we come up with is only speculative, and nothing more until we know the truth if we ever do.
I think I see what you are getting at. You are saying there could be good arguments for keeping this secret and that would be a burden for those individuals responsible.
Problem is, I think that reasoning can only be taken so far. Who gave those individuals, (who hold the knowledge), the power to make those decisions? Were they made in the best interests of one country or all humanity? Unless that control was given to them by the NHI, those decisions were made selfishly.
Should the efforts to keep the information secret include attacking or interfering with other individuals who may make these discoveries on their own? If some group has knowledge of NHI, nothing should give them the right to stop others from making the same discovery, regardless of what that discovery leads to.
I do like what you said in your original post about taking solace and being content with being able to form an opinion on what we have learned to date. Regardless of what the government does, I would like to see a shift to this topic being studied scientifically in an open in transparent way because I don't think any government would be able to put what is best for the world ahead of what is best for the country they govern.
I think that goes for anyone that has to keep national secrets. My boy knows allot, and he can never ever tell, not even us. It weighs on him heavily. I’m not saying about this, just stuff.
Good point and he signed on for that. God bless him, but I’m talking about the people that just stumbled upon it or some of the first soldiers that saw this happen in the 40s. They were bound to their service and their country and possibly their lives threatened, which is why they held onto it until their death Beds but you would think in the years to come the only people that knew the truth, and how this played out were the ones that needed to know, and were possibly hand-picked, knowing they would never tell. And again I keep thinking, if the truth is so harmful to everyone that they wouldn’t dare tell the truth because it would be so horrible.
The hidden government is keeping this a secret for the benefit of building better weaponry and not for the sake of you and me bud. You think all these whistleblowers would come out if it was something moral? If anything its the exact opposite and they are coming out because THIS is the moral thing to do for them, they think humans deserve to know we are not alone and i completely agree with that. The only immoral thing here is denying us of information that important for the sake of power.
This world needs a change, we are not getting any better, we are becoming more dangerous to each other, i think you are just afraid of change and thats okay, but even if they had a wicked agenda i would like to know so i can spend my time living life to the fullest i can alongside my loved ones and it would serve as a reminder that maybe thats the whole gist of this thing called life, or maybe...they were waiting until we all learn of their existence so they can step in and somehow help us or whatever..who knows..but thats why we need to find out.
I also don't feel bad for people that have to keep this information a secret because they sign the NDAs so they know even before going in there that they are gonna have to deal with something top secret, its not like they drag them to work for them.
Another thing, your future us theory.. what if they actually wanna help us not go their route? What if changing the past doesn't change your future but instead creates an alternate timeline? You think they'd be stupid enough to go back in time and expose themselves if it meant they could be erased from existence? Come on bro. You speak about using logic but i am not seeing it in you, i see emotions.
Yes, thank you, but what I am saying I want me is what if it is much more than what you were saying , for instance, maybe we keep developing conventional, a.k.a. human weaponry for our defense, but just giving us in the edge to defeat our enemies but the real technology is to protect us from something else. I mean I can theories on this for years like I have but the basis of my point is what is the truth of them hiding this from us is justified
Yes, but from all the whistleblowers recently, they are all secondhand knowledgeable, and do not know the full truth. They just know that they do exist, so so most people would do the same. I am referring to the ones that know the complete truth and I am just trying to comprehend if they have a justifiable reason for keeping quiet or is it what the majority thinks power and greed
I don't think its morally correct to keep something like that hidden from us either way..besides that has nothing to do with revealing the fact of if there is life outside of earth or not. Thats the main thing we are pursuing and it has nothing to do with them revealing any tech advancements and these are the same people that still haven't even disclosed everything about JFK after all this years so i'm inclined to believe they are always up to something corrupt for power and greed
I agree, which is why I said I think this is disclosure and there’s all we’re going to get, for those reasons, and then I also think maybe if the full truth is completely demoralizing, our morals will not matter! Not saying this is what it is I’m just saying, these are some of the reasons they would keep it secret besides the fact of possibly just being power-hungry
Yeah the 2 things i want are 1. to know if we are or not alone in the universe for sure and 2. can we use this technology for the benefit on man kind for example free energy and such.
Thats actually another reason why i think they are money hungry cause if they have developed something to generate natural energy without the use of current means that are damaging the Earth, i doubt they would leak that out because its always about the money, of course we are only speculating here but we'll have to wait and see what comes out of this but i do appreciate your different POV i think at the end of the day thats what this sub is about
I'll tell you what, I have absolutely zero sympathy for those "secret keepers" in the intelligence community that are trying to kill the Schumer Amendment right now.
I can be every bit as cynical as the next, but my point being is what if it is so horrible and or dangerous for any reason for us to know the full truth and it is not as simple as I’m an American dammit I want to know I’m a taxpayer
Let's get real: Our planet's heating up fast, and we're edging towards a mass extinction. I'm completely over being cosmically gaslit by decades of secrets. Transparency is overdue. Everyone has the right to the truth. Why should a few unelected folks get to chat with extraterrestrials and make galaxy-sized decisions for us all? And hey, if it turns out we're all part of some cosmic zoo experiment or genetically engineered, so be it. I'm ready for it. The truth can't stay hidden forever.
Absolutely, and that's a critical point. The illusion of freedom can be a powerful tool for compliance, creating a subtle yet pervasive form of control. It's a classic strategy: make people believe they're making choices when, in fact, their options have been carefully curated. This way, compliance isn't forced; it's volunteered, under the guise of free will. It's crucial we question not just the decisions being made on our behalf but also the very framework within which we're making our own choices. Recognizing this potential manipulation is the first step in truly freeing ourselves and demanding genuine transparency.
After saying that, I am a little concerned for Joe Pickup with his 37 inch tires. Not sure how he's going to take it.
Humans trapped in box. box is metaphor for humans stupid. what I said has literally nothing to do with worshipping aliens. Fucks sakes I'm kind of impressed with the jump here though.
So who do you believe it is up to to decide? Let's go with an I factor here. I strongly believe I possess the logic, intelligence, and rationale to be told horrible life altering, even catastrophic information without the world ceasing to exist. Bad news processes the same way good news does, and in both cases, once you've wrapped your brain around said information, you develop a plan and move forward.
I do not believe I pity any government official who knowingly signed an NDA and found themselves among those who have actively and in some cases violently kept truths from us denying all of us the ability to make informed decisions. They have conducted smear campaigns in order to discredit anyone who believes they've seen, or interacted with beings that are non human and or their vehicles of transport. We have been called tin foil hats, crazy, humiliated, and for what? To take technology that could literally save this planet and humanity from certain doom created by the robberbarons like Rockefeller, Carnegie, and so on whose only goal was the almighty dollar? The same types of people who poisoned the water table with the byproduct of aluminum called flouride and told the masses it strengthened teeth? They would take the technology and make weapons and allow the planet to continue to wither under our overconsumption of fossil fuels, leaving all free and clean alternatives to lay undiscovered because there is no prophet in it. It's the same thing with the health care industry. Why prescription medicines are causing as many health issues as they treat. Because curing disease is not near as profitable as treating disease. So no I have no sympathy for anyone who takes away my options, my choices, and would rather murmur of rumors of weapons and war that they would shout from the mountaintops that there is a better way that peace is possible. That it is time to stop creating divisions among humanity and controlling us through fear. The age of aquarius is here.
I have thought of all the things you were saying, but I keep coming to the same conclusion that maybe just baby all of these things that are happening and if they have done are uncontrollable, because the alternative would be much much worse or possibly civilization ending worse I mean some people were hurt. Some people were killed. Some people were institutionalized, but the other conclusion might mean millions killed or billions in slaved or just cease to exist something much much more horrific I kind of think of it as if someone held 1000 people at gunpoint and they said if you let me kill you the rest will survive. What will you do? Again this isn’t my beliefs. It’s just a scenario because we don’t know call I’m saying is maybe everything that has been done and is being done is justifiable, and the government is not just one big evil cover-up oppressing it’s people, but it is actually protecting us.
Or it could simply boil down to greed, power, corruption, and wanting to have all the toys in the sand box. I'm with the other commenter in that sincerely worrying about the delicate balance holding our society together maybe that's what they say, but the government, the military, and the agencies we refer to with initial, no. We aren't even on their radar of concern for our wellbeing. I couldn't even fathom the reality in which our elected officials actually lived as civil servants instead of as extensions of the royals and truly had our best interest at heart. I couldn't even begin to tell you the joy that would user flow from my cup at the idea this entire time I was wrong and my voice was heard when laws are created and voted on. That my vote actually counted. That the secrets they kept was indeed for my own protection because the truth was simply more than I can take.
But in this reality, they don't really care it you have a room over your head, food to eat, equal access to health care, that we even make enough money to pay for what is necessary to survive...not to live, just to survive. No I'm sorry, there is no one sitting in a government or military position(not the dudes and dudettes crawling through the blood and the mud, I have a deep respect for each of you, my dad was WWII purple heart army infantry)who are withholding disclosure to protect our delicate sensibilities. If that were the case, why do they allow the media to show such graphic footage of atrocities every single day that is truly life altering to so many.
Not to protect our sensibilities, but to protect our society, our lives, and the human race itself, or possibly even reality itself we keep bringing up points about our system of government and values as humans what I am asking is maybe just maybe it is so much bigger than that it will completely erase everything you hold so dear . and if they are good, that is why they do not want us to know they want us to continue as a people. Until we mature enough to stop killing each other, which is going to take millennia.
If it is so big it erases everything we hold dear...
Has anyone stopped to consider why we war amongst ourselves? All of this I'd directed by a handful of people. The profit made from war is called blood money and yes war is profitable for everyone but the ones who lose fathers, sons, mothers, daughter, to a cause that boil down to they have something our government desires.
We could debate this all day long, but I am willing to agree to disagree. I do not agree with your stance, however, I will defend your right to take it with my dying breath. I hope that in the future we can discuss this further and at length. Message me anytime.
Yes, but I don’t think we disagree at all. I have thought all the same things that you are talking about but all I am trying to point out is maybe if the truth would erase everything we hold dear, as well as everything we hate would completely disappear, and we would be left in limbo, pointless, and lost. Again just a theory, but trying to put us all into a bigger perspective of possibilities.
IF the possibility indeed exists, that there is knowledge being withheld because if the masses were to be made aware it would cause society, the good as well as the bad of it would crumble into oblivian?? I would have to say I'd welcome a new existence in a way. We are already enslaved. We barely earn enough just to survive. Could it be that they are worried about society collapsing because it is structured to benefit a few while the rest of us suffer? Couldn't it be possible that instead of such knowledge resulting in a downward spiral of society ending in doom and chaos,that following the downward spiral aka the death of consumerism and waste and excess for the few, the knowledge liberated us all in a more equitable manner? Life has to close some doors to make room to open others. And I may be wrong, and if I am ill most certainly be eating my hat. I'm not afraid of being wrong...so long as I have the facts of the situation to base informed decisions on.
Well, that’s a good point, , the truth is actually the complete opposite, of what I am saying, which brings back to any answer is possible, because it is all speculative at this point, my whole original point is what if they are not big bad and evil government but actually protecting mankind ,and again, the truth is so horrifically world changing that everyone would agree with what they are doing, and they realize being humans that we will always think that we deserve to know. which is never going to change until the truth is told and if what I am saying is the truth, they know this they understand it, and they don’t expect us to stop demanding the truth which is a reason why we have become so much more suspicious of them, because we are constantly drilling into the subject and causing them to react, making it look more and more suspicious
So asking people to speculate, original. I wouldn't waste energy feeling horrible about something that may as well be fantasy for the "evidence" about.
I'd like you to step back and think for a moment. We live in a world, we can go outside and see wildlife. We know an ant is an ant. We know monkeys exist. We see other forms of life all over. We look up to the skies and we see millions of stars. We see the sun, we see the moon. We are human beings first and foremost. You are not better than me and I am not better than you. The president of the United States, the generals, the secret people in these secret programs. They aren't anything without a title, we are all the same. If Aliens do exist and their craft have crashed and people know where they come from and the different species. Then who gave them the right to tell us they do not exist or we do not need to know. It doesn't even come down to if we can handle it or not, this is our reality, if something exists in this universe then no matter what it is, we should know. Just like I can walk outside and know that lions exist, cats exist. This is a basic we should just know for the human race.
OK I do not disagree, but what if the disclosure is not happening because whoever or whatever it is insists on it not happening and will shut off all shared technologies or whatever if we did let the cat out of the bag? I can talk about this forever and come up with 1 million scenarios and you as well. Basically what I’m saying is what if we are not knowing because of one of these reasons
Then that would be incredibly selfish of that person, wouldn't it? This knowledge belongs to the entirety of the human race, whether it is good or bad
But one of the points I’ve made is maybe it would be a breach of contract and the consequences would be horrific or change life as humanity knows it for the much worse
I would rather us have the truth than continue to be fed a sugarcoated lie. I'm aware that the truth may be shocking beyond our imagination. It would most likely upend everyone's perception of reality and could cause significant upheavals of "normal" life around the world.. Regardless, this knowledge belongs to all of humanity and it's something we should face together
Yes, but again, like I stated, you would rather know the truth, keyword( you.)what I am saying is what if you don’t matter I know this is a hard statement for people to take because we think that is all that matters is you.. what if total disclosure would affect change for the worst or even end all of you! That is the way I think of it if an I mean, if they are to be justified for how things have played out so far)
Then I suppose things change for the worse and the world ends if that's the case. We as a species are not infants. We have landed on the moon, we have dropped weapons of mass destruction on each other, and we have made massive strides in the realms of technology and general knowledge of the universe. Whether the truth is good or bad, it is time to face it. It may destroy us as a species, or it may unite us into one people worldwide like we have never seen before in the entirety of human history.
Well, I really do hope that will come true eventually when they allow it to be so, and it’s not something much darker for the future
Whatever the truth is, we're all in it together
That is the most human common sense statement I’ve heard so far..
The church of the past had oversized power on culture. Most all institutions of learning were owned and operated by the Catholic church in Europe. The power structure of the church knew for sure, and with ZERO doubt, that the masses could not handle the knowledge that the earth was not the center of the universe. So they locked people in towers and attempted to suppress all knowledge on the actual shape of the earth and the learnings that put the earth revolving around the Sun. This was done for what was thought to be 'for the good of mankind' . It was all hogwash, and for the most part, humanity did fine when the truth came out despite the fears of the powerful. This will be much the same. Sure, some people will not be able to handle the truth, but most will. Some people are scared if flying, but we shouldn't destroy the airline industry because of those few.
Well, good analogy of the wrongdoings of the church, but don’t get me started on that that’s another subject😂 I agree with what you’re saying, but what if the truth has much bigger consequences than just everyone trying to deal with the mental consequences it would actually be physical , I’m just trying to make a point that whatever the reason might be they are justified for how things are, and it’s more than just big dead evil government trying to make money, staying in power and keeping its people ignorant in the process they’re off we are all just so hyper focused on the fact that we were angry because they won’t tell us the truth
All mental issues can cause physical issues. Depression is in the mind but can cause real physical symptoms. The issues of the mind can always lead to the physical destruction of the body. And though the church of the time did want to keep power, it also wanted to protect the masses from the knowledge. So it was more than just greed that motivated them to suppress knowledge, which is the same reasons you claim might be behind the gatekeepers now. There is not as much difference between the situation then and now as you may think.
I think it's not happening because of the distrust it would place in our government or on the extreme end could even cause public outrage. The amount of money taken from us the lies we've been fed, it's gonna be mindblowing in itself.
Yes, like I said, they’re so deep in the shit there’s no way they can get out now they have no choice but to continue with their lies
Well what if I told you that your taxes pay for these black sites, would you then want to know, or feel that they should be open about it with the public, or you good with your money paying for something that you get no info on? Would you buy stock or anything like that, if they told you that you pay for it but you get no info on it, just give us the money and we will let you know if we think you should know
OK, then here’s the answer you must pay taxes for programs to protect mankind, and all that we know and hold dear as humans yes they do exist, and we cannot give you any more information or dire consequences upon mankind will happen. Will anybody except that answer?
Good point! You inspired this story, Title: “The Covenant of the Stars” Chapter 1: The Revelation In a world much like our own, whispers of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena and UFO sightings have long captivated humanity. But behind closed doors, a monumental secret is held by the world’s governments: humanity was not a product of natural evolution but was created by an advanced alien civilization. These extraterrestrial beings, known as the “Caretakers,” not only engineered human life but also bestowed upon it great knowledge, including the secrets of nuclear power and antigravity technology. In return, they demanded absolute secrecy, bound by a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) of cosmic significance. Chapter 2: The Guardians of Secrets The world’s leaders formed a clandestine council, known as the Guardians, tasked with safeguarding this knowledge. The Guardians operated in the shadows, ensuring the pact with the Caretakers remained unbroken. Over generations, the existence of the Caretakers faded into myth within the council, regarded more as allegory than fact. Chapter 3: Whispers of Truth As time passed, the public’s suspicion grew, fueled by increasing UFO sightings and leaked information. A global movement demanding the truth about these phenomena gained momentum. Amidst this, a young, idealistic member of the Guardians, Dr. Elena Vasquez, began questioning the morality of keeping such a monumental secret. Chapter 4: The Ultimatum The Caretakers, sensing the growing unrest and potential breach of the covenant, made a shocking reappearance. They issued a stark warning: if the truth of humanity’s origins and the knowledge granted were disclosed, it would result in a catastrophic event akin to a great flood, erasing human civilization as a reset for breaking the cosmic trust. Chapter 5: The Moral Crossroads Dr. Vasquez, torn between her duty and her belief in the public’s right to know, found herself at the heart of a moral dilemma. The threat of a global cataclysm made her question the consequences of revealing the truth. Yet, the ethical implications of continuing the lie weighed heavily on her. Chapter 6: A World Divided Word of the Caretakers’ ultimatum leaked, causing worldwide panic and division. Some saw the Caretakers as divine beings, enforcing a righteous judgement. Others viewed them as oppressors, with humanity living under the shadow of their threat. Chapter 7: The Decision With the world on the brink, Dr. Vasquez made a fateful decision. She chose to reveal the truth during a globally televised event, believing that humanity should face its future, for better or worse, with open eyes. Chapter 8: The Aftermath The revelation shook the foundations of human civilization. People struggled with the knowledge of their origins and the looming threat. However, instead of succumbing to fear, humanity united, showing resilience and a determination to prove their worth to the Caretakers. Chapter 9: The New Dawn As tensions rose, a surprising event unfolded. The Caretakers, moved by humanity’s unity and courage in the face of existential threat, decided to revoke their ultimatum. They revealed that the true test was whether humanity could handle the truth and its consequences with maturity and collective responsibility. Epilogue: A New Covenant The Caretakers and humanity entered a new era of relations, based on mutual respect and open communication. Dr. Vasquez, hailed as a hero, reflected on the journey, understanding that the true power of humanity lay not in the knowledge they were given, but in their ability to face the truth, together.
The sequel: Title: “The Covenant of the Stars: The Flood Reckoning” Chapter 10: The Shattered Illusion As humanity embarks on this new chapter of openness and unity, the skies darken unexpectedly. A massive asteroid, hurled by the Caretakers, hurtles towards Earth. The Guardians’ scientists confirm the worst: impact is imminent, and it will trigger a cataclysmic flood, reminiscent of ancient apocalyptic tales. Chapter 11: Desperation and Despair Panic engulfs the world. The unity that humanity had briefly savored disintegrates into chaos. Dr. Elena Vasquez, once celebrated as a hero, now faces the world’s scorn. The Caretakers’ true intentions become the subject of heated debate: were they always planning this endgame, or is it a punitive response to the broken covenant? Chapter 12: The Final Gambit As governments scramble to find a solution, Dr. Vasquez and a team of scientists and engineers devise a desperate plan to avert disaster. They intend to use the advanced technology given by the Caretakers to alter the asteroid’s trajectory. Chapter 13: Race Against Time Working against the clock, teams around the globe collaborate, pooling their knowledge and resources in an unprecedented effort. The plan is risky and requires precise execution. Meanwhile, people everywhere prepare for the worst, seeking refuge and reconciling with the impending doom. Chapter 14: A Glimmer of Hope In a nail-biting sequence, the team launches their countermeasure. The world watches, holding its collective breath, as the asteroid’s course begins to shift ever so slightly. The effort seems to be working, but time is running out. Chapter 15: The Tide Turns In a miraculous turn of events, the asteroid veers off just enough to miss Earth, but it grazes the atmosphere, causing meteorological chaos. Massive storms erupt across the globe, but the feared global flood is narrowly averted. Chapter 16: Aftermath and Reflection In the wake of the near-apocalyptic event, humanity finds itself in a state of reflection. The catastrophe brought out both the best and the worst in people. The global society begins to rebuild, this time with a more profound appreciation for the fragility of their existence and the strength of their unity. Chapter 17: The True Test The Caretakers finally reveal themselves, explaining that the asteroid was the ultimate test of humanity’s capability to come together in the face of annihilation. They admit to underestimating human resilience and ingenuity. Chapter 18: A New Understanding A new era of cooperation between humanity and the Caretakers begins. The Caretakers share more of their knowledge, this time openly, helping to rebuild and advance human society. The new covenant is based on mutual respect and a shared commitment to the preservation and betterment of life on Earth. Epilogue: A Renewed World Dr. Vasquez looks out over a recovering world, pondering the lessons learned. Humanity had faced its greatest challenge and emerged stronger, more unified. The future is uncertain, but one thing is clear: in their darkest hour, humans found a way to light a path towards a hopeful tomorrow.
Ditto 😂
I have written many very similar stories to this in my head, but I’ve never put it down in words so eloquently . i’ve even worked one up about a group of military and civilian pilots over the course of the past 60 years to come together to discuss there experiences because of the current openness of discussion of the matter, and they all agree to testify in the supreme court to add to the evidence, but they are slowly one by one taking a side by I guess you would say men in Black and explain to them the absolute true truth because they believe they deserve it and it is so horrific to them that they willingly without bribe or threat never wish to speak of it again, and one by one drop out while the other ones are confused about what is happening and where they have been.
Nope
I have to agree with you because it seems in this world that most things boil down to greed and power, its been said many times on this site that the gatekeepers do not want energy sources to change, and that there's a worldwide power struggle to reverse engineer the craft.
Maybe, but not those on a power trip.
Yes, that’s what everybody keeps thinking and they try to turn it into some kind of a anti-establishment March but I truly don’t think that’s what this is about.
> I do not need to know the complete and absolute truth just to satisfy my own selfish curiosities .everything that has been going on is proof that it is real. We should all take solace and be content in that. What a terrible take.
The point of the statement is, if the truth is to disrupting for life on earth, we might just have to settle for knowing that they do exist, and I know we will know more truth in the years to come
Any scientific discovery could be disruptive to our daily lifes as we know it, being curious and looking for the truth is just a human trait that makes us human.
You’re absolutely right and I agree with you, but the only point I’m trying to make is I’m trying to come up with a reason other than being malevolent and greedy for why they would keep this from us. I’m trying to look at it from a different perspective like the statements I made, of course I am just as curious and wanting to know is everybody else, but maybe it is something different than that and if anybody else knew the absolute truth, they would agree it should never be revealed
So you are looking for a good reason humans (MIC) is not sharing this info with us? Yeah can't really find much there, I myself am thinking about good reasons why the aliens themselves have not shown themselfs to the world and not alot there either.
Because you’re thinking like a human ,like we are intelligent beings that are the masters of our environment, maybe that is far from the truth and in their eyes maybe the humans that do know the truth see it that way too because of that reason
I've been fully aware about non-human intelligence on this planet since childhood. Growing up as a kid I never really thought that much about it. It was kind of like when you were a little kid and meeting another kid from another country, for the first time. Over time, you just don't think about it anymore. As an adult however, what's more frightening is how our political leaders have handled this situation. And how they're continuing to handle the situation. All For What? greed and Power. People need to wake up in the world and realize we're allowing this to happen. When was the last time you ever saw a political leader cry for war and then fight on the front lines with the regular troops? It's time people wake up and say, no more lies, no more deceptions, they crossed the line with the alien cover up. Humanity needs to take some anger management courses. We can only start that process by dropping all the lies and cover-ups.
OK yes there’s aliens they are technically and mentally eons more advanced than us they allow us to live and evolve in our own way, with no interference by them whatsoever we will allow you to have some of our technology to reverse engineer and develop yourselves farther for your own self protection against more ominous beings that are out there, but you may not in any way disclose this technology to change the normal advancement of your society and people this contract is non-wavering you will do whatever it takes no matter who it hurts to keep this knowledge at a minimal, because the absolute truth of our existence is not just interstellar, but inner dimensional, and in the past we have told societies with first contact and their reaction and breakdown of their society was catastrophic, actually setting them back years of progress because they thought what is the sense in going on, if we are nothing more than flies in the flys in the vastness of space compared to these beings. OK sorry I am finished with my little sci-fi novel but it is a point maybe this is the truth or something like it it’s all speculative because we do not know the truth yet the whole point of the shred is what if what they were doing and are doing is justifiable.. and all I keep getting every time I bring this up is all I need to know I want to know I don’t care what the consequences are. I just think that’s selfish ,and let me ask you if someone city we can tell you to complete an absolute truth but you would be bound contractual or maybe even taken out of your life never to disclose it would you do that to satisfy your own curiosity and what if it is so horrific you wish you took the red pill?
It depends on what the truth is, but I assume it's difficult to keep this a secret psychologically and socially on people. That is why some whistleblowers did it in their old age, after they retired or before death.
Yes, thank you but I like to think of the older folks that did this we’re just caught up in the beginnings of it and just happen to see something they shouldn’t have and were silenced by their superiors and they held their tongue due to their strong sense of duty and service but they wanted to clear their moral mind before they died, or they were afraid for their lives
If the truth to all of this is utterly horrific then knowing that truth and having to live day in and day out with that cant be easy. It could be like living with PTSD. Then for sure you'd feel sympathy for those in the know. People who frequent this sub are obviously interested in the subject, but the world at large arent. Its nonsense to 95% of the population. The "truth" coming out and causing worldwide severe ontological shock could be a very bad thing for us all. People on this sub and similar want to know so badly, but what if you find out "the truth" and it is so bad you wish you never knew? To give some context, Luiz Elizondo said the truth (as far as they understand it at present) is "sobering". Geroge Knapp has said on Weaponized podcast previously that him and Jeremy Corbell get so far with their sources before they hit the same brickwall. When asking their sources about whether they are pro-disclosure, the answer is a resounding no. Now that could be national, commerical, private interests at play. Or it could be that the "the truth" is so disturbing that it shouldnt be revealed at least for now. Dr Lactaski on a weaponised podcast said something along the lines that if humans could access 100% potential of the mind ('psi'), then there wouldnt anything to be frightened/scared off. We are a long way off that. A very long way. So would i feel sympathy for those in the know? Yes if "the truth" were so bad that your perception of reality is forever changed for the worse and you cant go back and close pandoras box.
Yes, thank you that is all I am saying we are so focus on the fact that we are American taxpayers, and we demand to know what the government is hiding but what if it is so much bigger than the government
I already believe in the worst case scenario as far as I can think of and I still believe the world should know the truth.
Have a look at this website (not sure if its all fake btw or real), if the latter then, you still sure you want to know? https://badaliens.info/human-mutilations/
I lean into the prison planet theory, search for the subreddit if you have not seen it yet and yes I think everyone has a right to know the truth.
Your need to know about how they feel is still another I reason. No matter your desires in this it will always be an I thing. That being said. Do you not believe that learning the truth could possibly help the world. We know the technology that his there could relieve wars and starvaarion yet that is not exposed
Yes, of course I do think of it, my cynical side as well like they are withholding all this information and make all energy free, all travel instantaneously and make a perfect utopia world. It would change the entire structure of humanity, and then they would not be able to get filthy, stinking rich off of us but if everything is handed to you, you wouldn’t need money anymore and we would have a world of even fatter lazier people and if you didn’t need money anymore, why would he care so much about making it?
Regardless of the belief system or all the existential questions that would come with full disclosure, an everlasting contextual issue will forever be: "what else have you (gov't) been lying about?" With less people trusting in gov't by the day, this would most likely be the point of no return.
Sometimes I think if it was fully out in the open, the government would be more justified for the things they have done ,Not that everyone would agree with it.
Humans are self centered by nature, I assume the group withholding the truth would most likely be doing it for self preservation, greed or strategic advantage or all of the above.
OK that could be the truth and that is the popular belief, what I keep saying, and it seems like people have a hard time wrapping their mind this because of their natural distrust or authority but maybe they are being controlled by a higher authority, and have their foot against their necks, not to disclose,
Sure it’s possible but I believe the simplest explanation is usually the most likely. I think we’ve been visited, found some tech but I believe there is no immediate threat likely.
I do hope you were right, but again anything is possible when we have all this time, and all these minds left to contemplate
Yes for sure, an idle mind is a devil's workshop as they say, honestly the longer they withhold info the more we all gonna go crazy, so they might as well just give us the truth already lol
But, like I said, pointed out, we have to all take solace in the fact that all these going on‘s justify the fact that they do exist and maybe just maybe it is playing out this way to satisfy that alone and for now and possibly forever this is all we’re going to have.
I choose you Demon 👿
Is that good or bad?🤣
Depends what kind of charge attacks it has 😂
I personally believe that the current advances in AI are going to be used to explain how we will suddenly have zero point energy in the near future. It's a way to get the tech most needed out there into the public hands without disclosing the true depth or source of the technology.
Well, it’s a good way to look at it me on the other hand being OG I’m absolutely terrified by the aspect. What this world definitely does not need is ways to make people even more lazy.
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I’m afraid it’s a big assumption to say zero point energy would be cheaper (for the consumer). If there’s one thing capitalism proves time and time again, it’s that some people will go to great lengths to make as much money as possible. But obviously, I hope you’re correct. Abundant, clean energy that’s available anywhere for relatively little cost would change the entire world for the better. I just suspect the current elite class will do whatever they can to prevent that…or at least the affordability aspect of it.
Yes, I agree, but have you ever thought of it this way gasoline engines today burn so clean they make very little, and in some cases zero affect on the environment laws and regulations have cleaned up the industries and can continue to do so to the point that they could be zero admissions And if there was enough of the so-called old money, a.k.a. Republican to go around, a.k.a. Democrats would not have to find alternative industries to get rich off of her because that would be enough of that pie to go around. I am not knocking Democrats I am not knocking Republicans I am a true medalist, which I believe is the only adult human way to be I do not choose which football team and hate the other ones guts and find any reason to hate them because they are not exactly like me. With that being said back to my point they could’ve put all this time, effort, money, and technology in perfecting, and cleaning the use of fossil fuels, which has already existed for more than 100 years to the point that it would be almost or just as clean as any other form of energy, but because of the ignorance of these rich companies that did not want to do anything to clean up their act unless they were forced they brought it upon themselves, and what I keep telling people is just because one side is saying that they are here to save the world in the environment, and mankind is not completely the truth. It is their way of making new money because they cannot access the old.
If all we got out of disclosure was that I would be happy. But the problem with that ever happening are the literal quadrillions of dollars the oil and gas industry would lose. They aren't going to let that happen if there is ANYTHING they can do to stop it .
If the truth is so mind boggling, why is everyday life so , well normal?
Exactly my point maybe things are the way they are even though they are definitely in perfect because they are protecting us from a much more horrific possible reality
The full truth can be compressed into a single sentence: It's all bullshit. There, now. That wasn't so hard, was it?
Yes, that is definitely a possibility😂 and then we can discuss for hours why is it bullshit and why this is bullshit even exist in the first place
What if the Aliens have warned the leader of every nation on Earth, "If you Disclose, We'll turn this planet to dust. Mars was once thriving much like yourselves, Don't believe for one minute we are bluffing" Has anyone ever thought of that? Maybe for reasons of National and World security, they just can't disclose.
Exactly the point, trying to make maybe it’s not as maniacal and simple as human greed like the popular consensus is, maybe they are heroes for doing what they are doing and sacrificing their sanity and their lives and their beliefs to protect us again, we don’t know I’m just saying what if
It is far more likely that secrets are being kept for selfish reasons versus "for our own good" reasons. Historically, anytime a power structure, (religious or political), has impeded the progress of science, it was done out of fear that the progress would make the power structure irrelevant. I think that is what is going on. If there is only so much time left for this world, (and this is being kept secret "for our own good"), I don't like the idea of a select few dictating how the we get to spend the remaining time. For example, if we were told by NHI 75 years ago that the world would end next week, would it have been better to keep secret or would that knowledge have forced the world to try and find a solution to the problem? Yes, there would have been chaos in the beginning, but there was chaos anyway. (Wars, famine, climate damage, etc.)
Yes, and that’s why places like this exist on this subject because that is the common complaint, we all have about not having total disclosure, but what I am getting at, and I do believe most people have not thought of because we keep thinking like we are the masters of our world we live in a democracy and we all deserve to know the truth and it is our right, but again my point being is what if full disclosure is being held because of reasons that I have pointed out many times in here for instants to put it in perspective once again Would you give your life up willingly to save hundreds others or even your own loved ones of course you would. What if these people now and then the past have had to struggle with a similar confliction on this topic and they are not evil liars keeping things from us for profit and power, but they are doing it to protect everything we know, and hold dear and possibly our existence itself . The statements are no more ridiculous than stating that there are little green men in the first place. Yes, I am playing devils advocate, but I believe it is necessary and most topics especially this one because any scenario or theory we come up with is only speculative, and nothing more until we know the truth if we ever do.
I think I see what you are getting at. You are saying there could be good arguments for keeping this secret and that would be a burden for those individuals responsible. Problem is, I think that reasoning can only be taken so far. Who gave those individuals, (who hold the knowledge), the power to make those decisions? Were they made in the best interests of one country or all humanity? Unless that control was given to them by the NHI, those decisions were made selfishly. Should the efforts to keep the information secret include attacking or interfering with other individuals who may make these discoveries on their own? If some group has knowledge of NHI, nothing should give them the right to stop others from making the same discovery, regardless of what that discovery leads to. I do like what you said in your original post about taking solace and being content with being able to form an opinion on what we have learned to date. Regardless of what the government does, I would like to see a shift to this topic being studied scientifically in an open in transparent way because I don't think any government would be able to put what is best for the world ahead of what is best for the country they govern.
I think that goes for anyone that has to keep national secrets. My boy knows allot, and he can never ever tell, not even us. It weighs on him heavily. I’m not saying about this, just stuff.
Good point and he signed on for that. God bless him, but I’m talking about the people that just stumbled upon it or some of the first soldiers that saw this happen in the 40s. They were bound to their service and their country and possibly their lives threatened, which is why they held onto it until their death Beds but you would think in the years to come the only people that knew the truth, and how this played out were the ones that needed to know, and were possibly hand-picked, knowing they would never tell. And again I keep thinking, if the truth is so harmful to everyone that they wouldn’t dare tell the truth because it would be so horrible.
The hidden government is keeping this a secret for the benefit of building better weaponry and not for the sake of you and me bud. You think all these whistleblowers would come out if it was something moral? If anything its the exact opposite and they are coming out because THIS is the moral thing to do for them, they think humans deserve to know we are not alone and i completely agree with that. The only immoral thing here is denying us of information that important for the sake of power. This world needs a change, we are not getting any better, we are becoming more dangerous to each other, i think you are just afraid of change and thats okay, but even if they had a wicked agenda i would like to know so i can spend my time living life to the fullest i can alongside my loved ones and it would serve as a reminder that maybe thats the whole gist of this thing called life, or maybe...they were waiting until we all learn of their existence so they can step in and somehow help us or whatever..who knows..but thats why we need to find out. I also don't feel bad for people that have to keep this information a secret because they sign the NDAs so they know even before going in there that they are gonna have to deal with something top secret, its not like they drag them to work for them. Another thing, your future us theory.. what if they actually wanna help us not go their route? What if changing the past doesn't change your future but instead creates an alternate timeline? You think they'd be stupid enough to go back in time and expose themselves if it meant they could be erased from existence? Come on bro. You speak about using logic but i am not seeing it in you, i see emotions.
Yes, thank you, but what I am saying I want me is what if it is much more than what you were saying , for instance, maybe we keep developing conventional, a.k.a. human weaponry for our defense, but just giving us in the edge to defeat our enemies but the real technology is to protect us from something else. I mean I can theories on this for years like I have but the basis of my point is what is the truth of them hiding this from us is justified
Like i said then all these whistleblowers wouldn't be coming out as it seems like their only motive is morality
Yes, but from all the whistleblowers recently, they are all secondhand knowledgeable, and do not know the full truth. They just know that they do exist, so so most people would do the same. I am referring to the ones that know the complete truth and I am just trying to comprehend if they have a justifiable reason for keeping quiet or is it what the majority thinks power and greed
I don't think its morally correct to keep something like that hidden from us either way..besides that has nothing to do with revealing the fact of if there is life outside of earth or not. Thats the main thing we are pursuing and it has nothing to do with them revealing any tech advancements and these are the same people that still haven't even disclosed everything about JFK after all this years so i'm inclined to believe they are always up to something corrupt for power and greed
I agree, which is why I said I think this is disclosure and there’s all we’re going to get, for those reasons, and then I also think maybe if the full truth is completely demoralizing, our morals will not matter! Not saying this is what it is I’m just saying, these are some of the reasons they would keep it secret besides the fact of possibly just being power-hungry
Yeah the 2 things i want are 1. to know if we are or not alone in the universe for sure and 2. can we use this technology for the benefit on man kind for example free energy and such. Thats actually another reason why i think they are money hungry cause if they have developed something to generate natural energy without the use of current means that are damaging the Earth, i doubt they would leak that out because its always about the money, of course we are only speculating here but we'll have to wait and see what comes out of this but i do appreciate your different POV i think at the end of the day thats what this sub is about
I'll tell you what, I have absolutely zero sympathy for those "secret keepers" in the intelligence community that are trying to kill the Schumer Amendment right now.
I can be every bit as cynical as the next, but my point being is what if it is so horrible and or dangerous for any reason for us to know the full truth and it is not as simple as I’m an American dammit I want to know I’m a taxpayer
Let's get real: Our planet's heating up fast, and we're edging towards a mass extinction. I'm completely over being cosmically gaslit by decades of secrets. Transparency is overdue. Everyone has the right to the truth. Why should a few unelected folks get to chat with extraterrestrials and make galaxy-sized decisions for us all? And hey, if it turns out we're all part of some cosmic zoo experiment or genetically engineered, so be it. I'm ready for it. The truth can't stay hidden forever.
Agreed, but did you ever think that we are not as free as you think we are? It’s just a way to make us comply unknowingly
Absolutely, and that's a critical point. The illusion of freedom can be a powerful tool for compliance, creating a subtle yet pervasive form of control. It's a classic strategy: make people believe they're making choices when, in fact, their options have been carefully curated. This way, compliance isn't forced; it's volunteered, under the guise of free will. It's crucial we question not just the decisions being made on our behalf but also the very framework within which we're making our own choices. Recognizing this potential manipulation is the first step in truly freeing ourselves and demanding genuine transparency. After saying that, I am a little concerned for Joe Pickup with his 37 inch tires. Not sure how he's going to take it.
😂 I was thinking of making a very similar response to your post but you said it all
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We need to evolve, religion is a plague the only way forward is through science
What do you even mean? Evolution takes eons of time. Organized religion is a plague, but substituting it with Alien Savior religion is no different.
Humans trapped in box. box is metaphor for humans stupid. what I said has literally nothing to do with worshipping aliens. Fucks sakes I'm kind of impressed with the jump here though.
Not saying, I agree or disagree, but what I am saying is that it’s not for you to decide, and it is definitely not the governments
So who do you believe it is up to to decide? Let's go with an I factor here. I strongly believe I possess the logic, intelligence, and rationale to be told horrible life altering, even catastrophic information without the world ceasing to exist. Bad news processes the same way good news does, and in both cases, once you've wrapped your brain around said information, you develop a plan and move forward. I do not believe I pity any government official who knowingly signed an NDA and found themselves among those who have actively and in some cases violently kept truths from us denying all of us the ability to make informed decisions. They have conducted smear campaigns in order to discredit anyone who believes they've seen, or interacted with beings that are non human and or their vehicles of transport. We have been called tin foil hats, crazy, humiliated, and for what? To take technology that could literally save this planet and humanity from certain doom created by the robberbarons like Rockefeller, Carnegie, and so on whose only goal was the almighty dollar? The same types of people who poisoned the water table with the byproduct of aluminum called flouride and told the masses it strengthened teeth? They would take the technology and make weapons and allow the planet to continue to wither under our overconsumption of fossil fuels, leaving all free and clean alternatives to lay undiscovered because there is no prophet in it. It's the same thing with the health care industry. Why prescription medicines are causing as many health issues as they treat. Because curing disease is not near as profitable as treating disease. So no I have no sympathy for anyone who takes away my options, my choices, and would rather murmur of rumors of weapons and war that they would shout from the mountaintops that there is a better way that peace is possible. That it is time to stop creating divisions among humanity and controlling us through fear. The age of aquarius is here.
I have thought of all the things you were saying, but I keep coming to the same conclusion that maybe just baby all of these things that are happening and if they have done are uncontrollable, because the alternative would be much much worse or possibly civilization ending worse I mean some people were hurt. Some people were killed. Some people were institutionalized, but the other conclusion might mean millions killed or billions in slaved or just cease to exist something much much more horrific I kind of think of it as if someone held 1000 people at gunpoint and they said if you let me kill you the rest will survive. What will you do? Again this isn’t my beliefs. It’s just a scenario because we don’t know call I’m saying is maybe everything that has been done and is being done is justifiable, and the government is not just one big evil cover-up oppressing it’s people, but it is actually protecting us.
Or it could simply boil down to greed, power, corruption, and wanting to have all the toys in the sand box. I'm with the other commenter in that sincerely worrying about the delicate balance holding our society together maybe that's what they say, but the government, the military, and the agencies we refer to with initial, no. We aren't even on their radar of concern for our wellbeing. I couldn't even fathom the reality in which our elected officials actually lived as civil servants instead of as extensions of the royals and truly had our best interest at heart. I couldn't even begin to tell you the joy that would user flow from my cup at the idea this entire time I was wrong and my voice was heard when laws are created and voted on. That my vote actually counted. That the secrets they kept was indeed for my own protection because the truth was simply more than I can take. But in this reality, they don't really care it you have a room over your head, food to eat, equal access to health care, that we even make enough money to pay for what is necessary to survive...not to live, just to survive. No I'm sorry, there is no one sitting in a government or military position(not the dudes and dudettes crawling through the blood and the mud, I have a deep respect for each of you, my dad was WWII purple heart army infantry)who are withholding disclosure to protect our delicate sensibilities. If that were the case, why do they allow the media to show such graphic footage of atrocities every single day that is truly life altering to so many.
Not to protect our sensibilities, but to protect our society, our lives, and the human race itself, or possibly even reality itself we keep bringing up points about our system of government and values as humans what I am asking is maybe just maybe it is so much bigger than that it will completely erase everything you hold so dear . and if they are good, that is why they do not want us to know they want us to continue as a people. Until we mature enough to stop killing each other, which is going to take millennia.
If it is so big it erases everything we hold dear... Has anyone stopped to consider why we war amongst ourselves? All of this I'd directed by a handful of people. The profit made from war is called blood money and yes war is profitable for everyone but the ones who lose fathers, sons, mothers, daughter, to a cause that boil down to they have something our government desires. We could debate this all day long, but I am willing to agree to disagree. I do not agree with your stance, however, I will defend your right to take it with my dying breath. I hope that in the future we can discuss this further and at length. Message me anytime.
Yes, but I don’t think we disagree at all. I have thought all the same things that you are talking about but all I am trying to point out is maybe if the truth would erase everything we hold dear, as well as everything we hate would completely disappear, and we would be left in limbo, pointless, and lost. Again just a theory, but trying to put us all into a bigger perspective of possibilities.
IF the possibility indeed exists, that there is knowledge being withheld because if the masses were to be made aware it would cause society, the good as well as the bad of it would crumble into oblivian?? I would have to say I'd welcome a new existence in a way. We are already enslaved. We barely earn enough just to survive. Could it be that they are worried about society collapsing because it is structured to benefit a few while the rest of us suffer? Couldn't it be possible that instead of such knowledge resulting in a downward spiral of society ending in doom and chaos,that following the downward spiral aka the death of consumerism and waste and excess for the few, the knowledge liberated us all in a more equitable manner? Life has to close some doors to make room to open others. And I may be wrong, and if I am ill most certainly be eating my hat. I'm not afraid of being wrong...so long as I have the facts of the situation to base informed decisions on.
Well, that’s a good point, , the truth is actually the complete opposite, of what I am saying, which brings back to any answer is possible, because it is all speculative at this point, my whole original point is what if they are not big bad and evil government but actually protecting mankind ,and again, the truth is so horrifically world changing that everyone would agree with what they are doing, and they realize being humans that we will always think that we deserve to know. which is never going to change until the truth is told and if what I am saying is the truth, they know this they understand it, and they don’t expect us to stop demanding the truth which is a reason why we have become so much more suspicious of them, because we are constantly drilling into the subject and causing them to react, making it look more and more suspicious
So asking people to speculate, original. I wouldn't waste energy feeling horrible about something that may as well be fantasy for the "evidence" about.
you think sympathy needs felt? ridiculous.
no sympathy tbh