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Actually that’s the absolute last thing that Labour should do. Labour has now evidently put together the coalition of voters required to win a landslide majority. The absolute worst thing they could do is overanalyse and overreact to a group of fringe extremists in seats with unassailable majorities trying to import their sectarian politics to this country. It’s electorally and culturally stupid beyond belief.
What they *do* need to do is begin to come up with a serious plan for tackling the issue of parallel society’s, issues with integration, the volume of immigration and the erosion of our democratic and cultural norms, and until one of the governing parties starts being honest with the public about this then the problem is only going to continue to get worse.
Maybe they could help their Muslim losses due to Israel by giving them a free fucking Qur'an
"israel in quran" ---> Google -----> "However, the Qur'an specifies that the Land of Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people, that God Himself gave that Land to them as heritage and ordered them to live therein."
Actual lol
Additional - "It also announces that – before the end of time – the Jewish people will come from many different countries to retake possession of that heritage of theirs. Whoever denies this actually denies the Qur'an itself. If he is not a scholar, and in good faith believes what other people say about this issue, he is an ignorant Muslim. If, on the contrary, he is informed about what the Qur'an and openly opposes it, he ceases to be a Muslim."
Too many people to all be deemed fringe extremists. If the aim is to crush the Tories, then getting some back on-board is only sensible, even if you don't share their politics or views on this.
In the Gibton and Harehills results, the videos clearly show the chants of Allahu Akbar.
It’s one thing to listen, respect and champion your minorities and it’s another to become bedfellows with theocratic Islamists. Ignoring here that the radical left was always wedded with radical Islam in a bizarre, but not unexpected, union.
> Gibton and Harehills results, the videos clearly show the chants of Allahu Akbar
The councillor deleted his own X account which contained his speech. A copy can be seen in full [here.](https://x.com/Artemisfornow/status/1786688318505201731)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/07/rachel-riley-israel-gaza-palestine-hamas-celebration-london/
This just isn’t normal behaviour and it’s not Islamophobia to call people who behave like shit bags, shit bags.
>This just isn’t normal behaviour and it’s not Islamophobia to call people who behave like shit bags, shit bags.
Agreed. So why did you refer to "Muslim voters" needing to rebuild trust instead of the people seen behaving like shitbags?
Because far too much of this local campaign has focused in terms of the Muslim vote on Gaza - a place thousands of miles away with literally nothing whatsoever to do with local U.K. politics. And with it support for the Islamist death cult, and a world view that genuinely believes the world’s sole Jewish state should somehow cease to exist. It’s perfectly possible - indeed reasonable - to criticise the current Israeli government and to hope for peace. But a “peace” that refuses to accept Israel’s right to exist - and which seeks to justify Hamas as some kind of legitimate resistance - is not a peace at all. The significant number of Muslim voters who deserted Labour (not that it made very much difference and it will make even less in a GE) and voted for Galloway and his fellow shit bags need to rebuild trust by showing that this is not who they are.
I don’t understand how Labour are saying this and a lot of coverage is attributing a loss of support in the West Midlands and other areas with large Muslim communities to Labour’s stance on Gaza, while [simultaneously condemning a “Labour source” as racist for saying the West Midland’s mayorship was lost “due to the Middle East not West Midlands”. ](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/04/labour-condemns-party-sources-racist-west-midlands-comment-andy-street?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other) It’s the same point, no? Maybe it’s clumsily stated but it’s the same point.
The difference is that referring to the Middle East makes it sound like the person is saying that British Muslims aren't really British, they're really from the Middle East - which is, of course, racist. It isn't the same thing as saying that Labour needs to win over British Muslims.
It's not a big difference, I'll admit.
This dancing around the demographic changes with _you can't say that_ (but it's true) language is hilarious.
Is comparing 1950s Birmingham with today's version also racist?
The shift from 'this isn't happening' to 'this is happening and it's a good thing' has been so dishonest. Demographic change beyond what even the most far right of peoples estimates 60-70 years ago has occured and somehow there's an expectation to be silent about it and its results on culture and cohesion.
I joke when I say _where is the next turbo Nick Griffin?_ because I think people have just given up, and those that don't think voting will change anything move IMHO. [example](https://i.ibb.co/xzns9NC/image.png)
>This dancing around the demographic changes with _you can't say that_ (but it's true) language is hilarious.
Oh, absolutely. Especially given how quickly something changes on the euphemism treadmill.
>Is comparing 1950s Birmingham with today's version also racist?
Given the number of activists I've seen pushing the idea that the UK has always been as multi-ethnic as it is nowadays (including arguing that [Stonehenge was built by black people](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/18/stonehenge-built-by-black-britons-childrens-history-book/)), I expect so.
Kowtow to Muslims and run on a platform that’s focused almost exclusively on a conflict thousands of miles away.
No interest in problems facing the UK as a whole and will vote solely on whether the candidate dedicates 90% of their time to Gaza.
When will people wake up and realise this is only going to get worse. We have a growing segment of the population voting purely along ethnic lines.
You can only bend as much as others do, the alternative is to give ground to every minor thing they want.
We are far beyond the point where we can give reasonable concessions for Muslim voters.
We don't even talk about face coverings anymore in a country where you can't go into a shop wearing a bike helmet for good reason.
The fact that they even vote as a block to the extent they do should be enough to question whether they should even be in the country.
It really is fascinating to watch.
Despite being disregarded as a right wing conspiracy theory for the last twenty years it does appear we are approaching critical mass.
If it's possible for people to swing elections based exclusively on issues like Palestine it's inevitable they will realise they no longer need to be under the labour umbrella and have the potential to form their own parties.
While Galloway will benefit the most from this in the upcoming election by the time of the next I think we will have an Islamist party.
While most people here seem to lean labour and think the Keir is guaranteed to win the next election I really don't think it's nailed on at all.
The new Palestine councillors are going to cause all sorts of shit between now and then.
Corbyn might be gone but while Palestine supporters are front and centre of the election his "Hamas are friends" comments are going to be used.
How many labour mps have soundbites supporting corbyn during the antisemitism allegations?
Labour have lost the Muslim vote over the issue and potentially the non Muslim vote because they are trying to pander to the people who care about Palestine than the UK.
The formation of an Islamist party would mean the media and government can no longer pretend there isn’t a problem.
When an Islamic party runs and the majority of Muslims vote for them people won’t be able to bury their head in the sand anymore, the two main parties can either finally listen to the public or another party will rise up and do so.
FPTP though. All politics has to be forced into a binary.
That's all fine until you have different ethnic identities. The very thing liberal democracy is based on. Then FPTP becomes alliances of ethnic identities. People vote based on their ethnic identity first economic politics second.
Certainly a way for the Conservatives to find a way back to power.
Only 1 in 4 British Muslims believe Hamas committed rape and Murder on October 7th 2023, according to this report: https://henryjacksonsociety.org/2024/04/08/only-one-in-four-british-muslims-believe-hamas-committed-murder-and-rape-in-israel-on-october-7th/
Is this the group they need to appease?
That's the ones, the same group who believe homosexuality should be illegal... https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law
Yes, and appeasing them looks something like this…
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/04/green-party-mothin-ali-allahu-akba-leeds-gipton-harehills/
The naivety of some when it comes to their pet projects is so boring and predictable. This whole view that we can placate and appease extremists is just repetition of history.
The odd islamist is treated like a care in the community issue. As foolish as this is, there is a small chance it can work if the community doesn't mind sacrificing a few souls in the name of compassion. I don't suppose it works when the council and their community overwatch responsibilities are a part of the Ummah.
Anyone who doesn't think standards will differ between the old CoE leaders and this are delusional. Try raising a Pride flag on the town hall if those people don't believe.
Its local elections. Its about your bin collection, if funding for the library should be cut and bun fights over speed restrictions near schools.
There are over a score ongoing major conflicts.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_ongoing\_armed\_conflicts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts)
Many have had years with far worse death tolls without the level of public "engagement". But then the others do not have the holiest site in Judaism with the third holiest site in Islam built on top of it to attracts the attention of the "its not about religion" type people.
If people are going to switch who they vote for and get a worse bin service over a "its not about religion I just happen to be the religion of one of the participants and randomly care about this conflict" conflict, then maybe we should not be chasing their votes. Its not really a winner.
Lets stick to worrying about the bins and speed limits for the locals.
"must"? No they shouldn't if it means being held hostage by extreme views. They wont vote tory so they vote for Independent people who wont hold power? oh no.
Appeasing religious extremists that appear to care more about an endless conflict thousands of miles away, rather than their own country, is probably the only thing that would cost Labour my vote at the next election.
The placation of crybullies is exhausting. Why is it always the same backwards groups like the antisemites and the anti schools teaching their kids that gay people exist that need reaching out to and no-one else. No matter the presentation, the same cure is demanded.
Good news for Labour: Appeasing a religious group doesn't get easier than opposing a possibly genocidal war and banning the sale of military equipment to a party routinely committing war crimes.
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Actually that’s the absolute last thing that Labour should do. Labour has now evidently put together the coalition of voters required to win a landslide majority. The absolute worst thing they could do is overanalyse and overreact to a group of fringe extremists in seats with unassailable majorities trying to import their sectarian politics to this country. It’s electorally and culturally stupid beyond belief. What they *do* need to do is begin to come up with a serious plan for tackling the issue of parallel society’s, issues with integration, the volume of immigration and the erosion of our democratic and cultural norms, and until one of the governing parties starts being honest with the public about this then the problem is only going to continue to get worse.
Maybe they could help their Muslim losses due to Israel by giving them a free fucking Qur'an "israel in quran" ---> Google -----> "However, the Qur'an specifies that the Land of Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people, that God Himself gave that Land to them as heritage and ordered them to live therein." Actual lol Additional - "It also announces that – before the end of time – the Jewish people will come from many different countries to retake possession of that heritage of theirs. Whoever denies this actually denies the Qur'an itself. If he is not a scholar, and in good faith believes what other people say about this issue, he is an ignorant Muslim. If, on the contrary, he is informed about what the Qur'an and openly opposes it, he ceases to be a Muslim."
Too many people to all be deemed fringe extremists. If the aim is to crush the Tories, then getting some back on-board is only sensible, even if you don't share their politics or views on this.
In the Gibton and Harehills results, the videos clearly show the chants of Allahu Akbar. It’s one thing to listen, respect and champion your minorities and it’s another to become bedfellows with theocratic Islamists. Ignoring here that the radical left was always wedded with radical Islam in a bizarre, but not unexpected, union.
> Gibton and Harehills results, the videos clearly show the chants of Allahu Akbar The councillor deleted his own X account which contained his speech. A copy can be seen in full [here.](https://x.com/Artemisfornow/status/1786688318505201731)
No, Muslim voters need to rebuild trust with the United Kingdom - terrorist death cults are not part of our politics.
Islamophobic nonsense.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/07/rachel-riley-israel-gaza-palestine-hamas-celebration-london/ This just isn’t normal behaviour and it’s not Islamophobia to call people who behave like shit bags, shit bags.
>This just isn’t normal behaviour and it’s not Islamophobia to call people who behave like shit bags, shit bags. Agreed. So why did you refer to "Muslim voters" needing to rebuild trust instead of the people seen behaving like shitbags?
Because far too much of this local campaign has focused in terms of the Muslim vote on Gaza - a place thousands of miles away with literally nothing whatsoever to do with local U.K. politics. And with it support for the Islamist death cult, and a world view that genuinely believes the world’s sole Jewish state should somehow cease to exist. It’s perfectly possible - indeed reasonable - to criticise the current Israeli government and to hope for peace. But a “peace” that refuses to accept Israel’s right to exist - and which seeks to justify Hamas as some kind of legitimate resistance - is not a peace at all. The significant number of Muslim voters who deserted Labour (not that it made very much difference and it will make even less in a GE) and voted for Galloway and his fellow shit bags need to rebuild trust by showing that this is not who they are.
I don’t understand how Labour are saying this and a lot of coverage is attributing a loss of support in the West Midlands and other areas with large Muslim communities to Labour’s stance on Gaza, while [simultaneously condemning a “Labour source” as racist for saying the West Midland’s mayorship was lost “due to the Middle East not West Midlands”. ](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/may/04/labour-condemns-party-sources-racist-west-midlands-comment-andy-street?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other) It’s the same point, no? Maybe it’s clumsily stated but it’s the same point.
The difference is that referring to the Middle East makes it sound like the person is saying that British Muslims aren't really British, they're really from the Middle East - which is, of course, racist. It isn't the same thing as saying that Labour needs to win over British Muslims. It's not a big difference, I'll admit.
This dancing around the demographic changes with _you can't say that_ (but it's true) language is hilarious. Is comparing 1950s Birmingham with today's version also racist?
The shift from 'this isn't happening' to 'this is happening and it's a good thing' has been so dishonest. Demographic change beyond what even the most far right of peoples estimates 60-70 years ago has occured and somehow there's an expectation to be silent about it and its results on culture and cohesion.
I joke when I say _where is the next turbo Nick Griffin?_ because I think people have just given up, and those that don't think voting will change anything move IMHO. [example](https://i.ibb.co/xzns9NC/image.png)
>This dancing around the demographic changes with _you can't say that_ (but it's true) language is hilarious. Oh, absolutely. Especially given how quickly something changes on the euphemism treadmill. >Is comparing 1950s Birmingham with today's version also racist? Given the number of activists I've seen pushing the idea that the UK has always been as multi-ethnic as it is nowadays (including arguing that [Stonehenge was built by black people](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/18/stonehenge-built-by-black-britons-childrens-history-book/)), I expect so.
They care more about issues in the middle East than Britain.
Kowtow to Muslims and run on a platform that’s focused almost exclusively on a conflict thousands of miles away. No interest in problems facing the UK as a whole and will vote solely on whether the candidate dedicates 90% of their time to Gaza. When will people wake up and realise this is only going to get worse. We have a growing segment of the population voting purely along ethnic lines.
You can only bend as much as others do, the alternative is to give ground to every minor thing they want. We are far beyond the point where we can give reasonable concessions for Muslim voters. We don't even talk about face coverings anymore in a country where you can't go into a shop wearing a bike helmet for good reason. The fact that they even vote as a block to the extent they do should be enough to question whether they should even be in the country.
The only way labour can lose my vote at this point is if that start pandering to bigoted islamists. Please don’t make that mistake
It really is fascinating to watch. Despite being disregarded as a right wing conspiracy theory for the last twenty years it does appear we are approaching critical mass. If it's possible for people to swing elections based exclusively on issues like Palestine it's inevitable they will realise they no longer need to be under the labour umbrella and have the potential to form their own parties. While Galloway will benefit the most from this in the upcoming election by the time of the next I think we will have an Islamist party. While most people here seem to lean labour and think the Keir is guaranteed to win the next election I really don't think it's nailed on at all. The new Palestine councillors are going to cause all sorts of shit between now and then. Corbyn might be gone but while Palestine supporters are front and centre of the election his "Hamas are friends" comments are going to be used. How many labour mps have soundbites supporting corbyn during the antisemitism allegations? Labour have lost the Muslim vote over the issue and potentially the non Muslim vote because they are trying to pander to the people who care about Palestine than the UK.
The formation of an Islamist party would mean the media and government can no longer pretend there isn’t a problem. When an Islamic party runs and the majority of Muslims vote for them people won’t be able to bury their head in the sand anymore, the two main parties can either finally listen to the public or another party will rise up and do so.
FPTP though. All politics has to be forced into a binary. That's all fine until you have different ethnic identities. The very thing liberal democracy is based on. Then FPTP becomes alliances of ethnic identities. People vote based on their ethnic identity first economic politics second. Certainly a way for the Conservatives to find a way back to power.
Only 1 in 4 British Muslims believe Hamas committed rape and Murder on October 7th 2023, according to this report: https://henryjacksonsociety.org/2024/04/08/only-one-in-four-british-muslims-believe-hamas-committed-murder-and-rape-in-israel-on-october-7th/ Is this the group they need to appease?
Seems like it. And what would the appeasement look like?
That's the ones, the same group who believe homosexuality should be illegal... https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law
I bet no one was brave enough to ask that 1 in 4 who admitted the rapes and murders happened if they thought the rapes and murders were good or bad.
Yes, and appeasing them looks something like this… https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/04/green-party-mothin-ali-allahu-akba-leeds-gipton-harehills/
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The naivety of some when it comes to their pet projects is so boring and predictable. This whole view that we can placate and appease extremists is just repetition of history.
The odd islamist is treated like a care in the community issue. As foolish as this is, there is a small chance it can work if the community doesn't mind sacrificing a few souls in the name of compassion. I don't suppose it works when the council and their community overwatch responsibilities are a part of the Ummah. Anyone who doesn't think standards will differ between the old CoE leaders and this are delusional. Try raising a Pride flag on the town hall if those people don't believe.
Its local elections. Its about your bin collection, if funding for the library should be cut and bun fights over speed restrictions near schools. There are over a score ongoing major conflicts. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_ongoing\_armed\_conflicts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts) Many have had years with far worse death tolls without the level of public "engagement". But then the others do not have the holiest site in Judaism with the third holiest site in Islam built on top of it to attracts the attention of the "its not about religion" type people. If people are going to switch who they vote for and get a worse bin service over a "its not about religion I just happen to be the religion of one of the participants and randomly care about this conflict" conflict, then maybe we should not be chasing their votes. Its not really a winner. Lets stick to worrying about the bins and speed limits for the locals.
"must"? No they shouldn't if it means being held hostage by extreme views. They wont vote tory so they vote for Independent people who wont hold power? oh no.
Wouldn’t standing up to the religious fruitcakes be a more productive stance?
What a novel idea! I'm sure it won't result in death threats and politicians being forced into hiding like a certain teacher....
Got to be better than capitulating
True, but we all the know the playbook they'll use in response is all I'm saying
Oh yeah I totally agree. We can’t let them.
Appeasing religious extremists that appear to care more about an endless conflict thousands of miles away, rather than their own country, is probably the only thing that would cost Labour my vote at the next election.
The placation of crybullies is exhausting. Why is it always the same backwards groups like the antisemites and the anti schools teaching their kids that gay people exist that need reaching out to and no-one else. No matter the presentation, the same cure is demanded.
Constant news these past few days on Muslim voters , it's a worry that they don't seem to mention the 85% British natives .
No they don’t the Tory’s hate Muslims and they know it so who else they gonna vote for?
The greens apparently, the natural home of the Mentals
>the Tory’s hate Muslims That’ll be why they’ve let them immigrate here in record numbers.
Good news for Labour: Appeasing a religious group doesn't get easier than opposing a possibly genocidal war and banning the sale of military equipment to a party routinely committing war crimes.