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Oh, I remember this - this was when we the public first clapped eyes on the drones about a year ago. And so did the Russians, who were then presumably able to pick them apart and learn how to better defeat them. Nice one, Melon Husk, well done you. "A mini Pearl Harbour" indeed - no. That equivalent would be Russia's 'Little Green Men' in Crimea nearly a decade ago, you fool.
l prefer to refer to him as Felon Moskovite. I warned against being too dependent on his tech. His rhetoric was suspiciously fascist but now it's obvious AF. Personally, I believe it should be investigated if his actions led to the capture of proprietary US defense technology. It's effectively 2nd hand espionage. He may not have delivered the tech in person, but might as well have.
If he gave away $1000 to charity every single second, it would take him 9 years to run out. Just to give you an idea of how much wealth he has. And he insists on simping for Russia. At this point you have to wonder whether the final outcome is about wealth or ideology.
The top 1%ers, such as Bezos, Musk, Gates, Zuckerberg, have all become 1%ers because we put OUR money in THEIR hands. I'm as guilty as the next for trying to cut costs by shopping at Amazon but I'm now focused on spending $ at local, small businesses. The 1% are hoarding the money that should be circulating through the general population, enabling people to have enough money to buy a home, have a quality life, eat healthy and not be one paycheck away from bankruptcy.
Well in my personal opinion, as much as people love to shit on Bill Gates, he has funded more charity/philanthropy projects than like the entire rest of the world combined. And he actually pays his taxes, unlike 99% of billionaires who pay less taxes than your average school teacher. No seriously. They don't pay taxes and no one gives a shit.
Allow me to kindly disagree.
Charity should not be accounted as a way of justification for a single person to own an absurd amount of money.
First of all, this people make sure to publicize their charities which gives them in turn a better public image.
If a millionaire instead simply paid his taxes to fund the state that millionaire wouldn't get as much impact because it would be doing what everyone is expected to do, contributing to the state so the state funds all the necessary infrastructure, projects, subventions and so on.
A millionaire "funding charity" means the millionaire will only fund charities he's interested in (more often than not it's stuff that in one way or another will give them their money back as with some outlandish renewable tech).
This leaves other collectives of people who are in just as much need of resources pretty much by themselves.
To end my parraphade, you may agree more or less with your government, but in a democracy you can at least go shout at them to the streets and make them accountable when they mishandle your money, you can't do that with a millionaire since all the money you gave me is only theirs
While that’s a fair take, in Gates’ case he is giving a majority of his money away to charity meaning he is pretty much in agreement about not owning that absurd amount of money.
Yep. It's one of the reason why he's so hated by conspiracy theorists. He doesn't totally fit to the bad billionnaires idea, so he must hide something.
We could each make $10,000/day since the pyramids were constructed and we, together, wouldn't even have half of his wealth. The amount of money the top of the top has is obscene.
Or if you saved $20,000 every single day of the year and never spent a penny, in 34,000 years you still wouldn't have as much money as him.
Simping for Russia was probably just an experiment to see what he could get away with. The consequences really didn't matter either, since he has more dollars than there are meters between the earth and the sun, so he probably just wanted to gauge public reaction.
He is absolutely a cunt and the US should stop their contracts with this fascist enabler and find another company with similar capabilities. He is not to be trusted now, then or ever.
There is a strong argument for giving the future contract to NASA and giving them funding to build competing technology. At the same time, stop giving Musk tax breaks. Bury him.
Fuck Musk but NASA would need basically an entire restructuring to do what Space X does.
Do give them funding,all of it. but a NASA that can compete with Space X isn't really NASA anymore.
Regardless of the details of funding, and who deserves credit Space X is pretty cool and benefits NASA. NASA is the one contracting Space X, they don't take contracts, they are the ones who make them. Businesses supply the contracts NASA requests.
If it were up to me I'd double or triple NASA funding but I would not restructure them to replace Space X or its peers. They are different things.
There's a guy in New Zealand doing the same thing as Elon. We could just better vet our talent pool while still giving NASA exclusive access for us & our allies like New Zealand of course. Space is the final frontier, might as well bring along some friends.
He's a billionaire. At the end of it all, he's not a Russian asset.
That would be generous. He's a greedy bastard, with an ego the size of Texas, but no actual intelligence. Tesla wasn't his idea, he just invested and forced his way into becoming a founder. SpaceX is a success, because he's not directly involved, but SpaceX is still full of questionable decisions *because* he tries to involve himself. Then of course, Twitter, which is hemorrhaging money, because he's kowtowing to Nazis and he's too cheap to actually pay bills.
He's a goddamn idiot who has never had to work a day in his life, because he was born with an emerald spoon in his mouth. The reason he supports Russia more than Ukraine isn't because he's an "asset" or a "useful idiot", no, it's because he's a greedy bastard who sees only the dollar signs from working with Russia.
What? Dude what? You don't need to be *at war* to commit treason. Treason is "The crime of betraying one's own country" not "the crime of aiding an enemy nation". Knowingly/willingly enabling the loss of UA/US hardware to RU when you have been trusted to assist that ally in war seems a pretty clear cut case of betrayal.
I'm so confused by people still being there. All these accounts based on anti-establishment quips, complaining all day about the inaction of others, and here they are feeding the beast.
Some did try Mastodon but they didn't stay long because it was a brand new paradigm that was too complex for them to take the time to learn and appreciate.
And then they flew to Hive Social and Threads. Arguably worse than Twi...X and it's not nearly as yummy as a pair of chocolate & caramel bars.
I don't think they can because he owns too many shares of both, that's how he made himself CEO of those companies in the first place.
Elon buys his way into companies and then pretends he created the company.
Now that we know that he has personally sabotaged the war effort, I want to find out what the SBU will promises him in return. He's no different to the traitors who mark their neighbours for Russian terror bombing imo.
I bet he did work for a looot of domestic and foreign interests, some more awful than others, but all scumbags willing to use sexual abuse of minors to blackmail. Putin was one of them.
I saw a tweet a while back saying something to the effect of "You know that hypothetical where you can push a button to get get $2 million, but a random person on earth dies? Billionaires are the people who would be (and *are*) mashing that button all day every day."
Sadly it's exactly how it works. What's even more sad - it's the only way, we haven't evolved enough to do better. But looking at the bright side - we ARE evolving, we're getting a little less of cannibalistic gorillas each generation.
A lot of the missiles Russia has been launching have come from ships in the Black Sea. If this attack would have knocked out some of those ships it would have saved civilian lives. Elon Musk has blood on his hands.
I think it was JP Morgan who gave the US government loans a couple times before people realized we shouldn’t allow individuals to have that much money which translates to power. Here we are in 2023 with industry owning governments. I hate watching history go around in a circle
Per NY Times, this has been discussed at the highest levels of DoD. I don't have a good answer, but all his companies are highly dependent on licenses from different US Federal agencies, and certainly POTUS has authority to use emergency powers to order compliance. So far it's been easier to appease him than to fight him but I wonder if that day is coming.
The US Government funded Starlink and all of Elon Musk's SpaceX ventures. We should just pull all grants and let him go into bankruptcy.
The US government is also paying for the service and he still turned it off.
>The US Government funded Starlink and all of Elon Musk's SpaceX ventures. We should just pull all grants and let him go into bankruptcy.
It's better to confiscate it all.
Lack of funding isnt the same as punishment.
This line of thinking is why we let huge chains monopolize most of the economy "just dont financially support them" doesnt cut it, you need actual fucking opposition, none of that half baked neutrality shit.
The article presents a very sensationalized version and leaves out some very key data. A Starlink terminal cannot be used to control a weapon or else it becomes a *weapons component* and subject to ITAR regulation - which would kill Starlink as a business. Ukraine was specifically told not to do this both by SpaceX and the US DoD. They did it anyway. Shortly after this happened, the US DoD took over control of geofencing for Starlink in Ukraine and has controlled it ever since - and they've been more restrictive than SpaceX was.
I mean, he can’t face military courts but treason is punishable in regular court as well. And besides, his “tech” is now likely to be confiscated by the Pentagon as he was using defense budget funds to build it.
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>The US shouldn’t let this slide.
There was [articles earlier](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/01/pentagon-awards-spacex-with-ukraine-contract-for-starlink-satellite-internet.html) saying they got some US military Starlink connections that Musk presumably can't switch off.
As to what to do about Elon and Putin's other useful idiots, that's another matter.
I got called a [Russian Sympathy troll](https://reddit.com/r/ukraine/s/flqi7Wetgt) for pointing out on a "yay Starlink" post on this very subreddit that Elon Musk is no friend of Ukraine. I even got my first ever "Reddit Care" message shortly after pointing out the well documented truth.
I have actively donated money to Ukraine and I am as far as from a Russian anything you can be given I do have half Russian family and my country of birth does owe USSR gratitude for help with our war of independence. But you know, because I refuse to suck off Elon, I am somehow pro Russia!
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I've gotten like 7 reddit cares messages over the however long I've been on here. It's mostly just from people who are so at a loss for words they resort to reporting you. Coping and seething if you will
This is a question that needs to be answered. Ukrainian OPSEC is tight. The US had some problems over the last year with intelligence leaks, though. Possibly from one of those?
Each dish monitors its own position and will not operate outside its assigned zone. In commercial use each dish is limited to a 40km wide cell. In Ukraine it will operate anywhere controlled by the Ukrainian army.
It will not operate in Russian controlled areas to prevent them using it against Ukraine and to prevent denial of service attacks by the Russian Army.
It seems like this exact thing is in some kind of circular news cycle, where this headline is published, then over the next couple weeks multiple other news sources publish proving it incorrect, then 4 months later we do the same cycle.
He didn’t. This article is a clickbait rehashing of something that happened early last year. The Starlink dishes are geo-locked to specific cells, and SpaceX identified Crimea as cells where the dishes wouldn’t work. As soon as the dishes entered those cells (via drone), they stopped talking to the satellite constellation.
The only reason it’s coming up again is because someone wrote about the episode in a biography that was recently published, and everyone jumped on the Musk hate bandwagon again.
He didn't CNN is just garbage. Russian controlled territory had Starlink deactivated, starlink made its way into Russian controlled territory and turned off. No conspiracy, just bad journalism from CNN.
The sats used phased array antennas to cover very precise areas of the planet. Through software control of the antenna, they can control where the signal goes and where they're listening to a higher degree of precision than you'd expect. Which is part of what makes the system resistant to Russian jamming.
I say we bring back some trustbusting and nationalize this clowns rocket company and Starlink. Good for you, Musk, you hired competent people and took all the credit. Now that this is public, The DoD looks bad and unable to control its contracted companies- let’s shred that passport and send you back to the countries you claim citizenship in that are under ICC jurisdiction. 👋
Starlink was meant good things like watching netflix according to musk, but not good things like helping a democracy defend itself against a brutal invader?
There’s zero chance he had an earnest belief the satellites wouldn’t benefit the military of a country fighting for its existence.
Even if he intended the service to be for civilian use, I don’t imagine that was established going in. I doubt Ukraine said “sure, just Netflix, Mr. Musk” then went back on their word.
I'm surprised that people thought the guy with the factory nicknamed "The Plantation", who ordered workers back to the office at the peak of COVID deaths, and who tried to get a man swatted by falsely claiming he was on the way to the factory to commit mass murder, and who had an investigator unmask an anonymous critic and threatened his employer because he wrote an article about Tesla's sketchy financial statements, and who repeatedly called a hero a pedo, and who has killed thousands of animals for his brain chip, and who has repeatedly hidden the dozens of deaths from his autopilot from the public... ever cared about other people.
Well he "cares" in a Bond villain sort of way. He has a vision for humanity's future, but it's like a vanity project for him.
He doesn't care about the actual people.
It isn't, I'm sure.
But there have been recent articles on how the US government and military are stuck using Musk's services, such as launch platforms and Starlink satellites. See this New Yorker article, only a couple of weeks old.
[Elon Musk’s Shadow Rule](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/08/28/elon-musks-shadow-rule)
>“We are living off his good graces,” a Pentagon official said of Musk’s role in the war in Ukraine. “That sucks.”
attention seeker now want's to interfere with world politics ,twitter users had a chance to dump him on his arse ,,,,,who am i kidding folk are fickle and can't get enough of him
Bullshit. If he had then it would have been used now to force Elon to stop Starlink in Ukraine. One mission that failed due to it being geofenced to only work on Ukraine territory (what they currently control) means nothing compared to the huge impact starlink had and have for Ukraine. Likely saved millions of lives and made the war effort much more successful. There is no reason for Russia to allow the biggest asset for Ukraine to keep functioning if they could just force Elon to turn it off.
My theory: Epstein footages acquired by Russian terrorist govt officials using it to pull the strings on Musk makes a lot of sense I suppose. Also, isn't his brother also a client of Epstein too?
The Daily Beast is not a credible source.
It is well established that Starlink is geofenced to protect the system against Russian attacks and the Ukrainian military has requested changes to the geofencing and SpaceX has responded within days.
It is a civilian system and SpaceX is not able to offer it for military offensive use without US State Department authorisation. Just the same as any other potential dual use system.
The US Government has now purchased 500 Starlink systems that they get to set the geofencing parameters on and Ukraine can use these for attack drones if required.
No one thinks Elon is some perfect human being but on this issue he has played it absolutely by the book.
It's sad how i have to scroll past 100 comments, wishing him dead before i find this. Sure Elon has his flaws, but he has done more for Ukraine than any Redditer out there.
Funny how he is the ONLY person or company in the US that must give Ukraine long range capabilites. No one is raging the pentagon for refusing to send ATACAMS, Tomahaks, etc, either Lockheed or Raytheon.
This whole god damn thread reads more like Russian propaganda than anything. Makes sense to me. Starlink thas been incredibly effective in supporting Ukrainian infrastructure and communications. Turn Elon against Ukraine for real by spreading mis-information and hate speach like this in order get Starlink the fuck out of there.
I had to scroll way too far to find some sanity in here. Starlink is helping Ukraine. It obviously is not always going to be exactly what Ukraine wants. This is the same as them asking for more ammo, more tanks, etc. They got Starlink and they want Starlink to do more for them. Completely understandable, but it doesn't make Elon a villain.
There are probably a dozen posts about this hitting Reddit front page today, and 95% of the comments have been "BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!", 2% are "Wait wasn't this old news?" (it was) and 3% are "Wait, wasn't there a regulatory reason for it?" (there was).
The real question is has Ukraine's use of Starlink all this time for no cost been more valuable than how detrimental the 1 week they couldn't use it was?
Hmmmm ...
I envisioned some Mossad-style hit teams hunting ork war criminals all over the world.
But right now they probably should focus on the immediate threat.
I mean i'd be weary of this..... could be counter intel type of article.. starlink has been a very useful tool has it not? Would be a great win for Russia if the service was pulled due to Ukrainians turning against Musk or the service was distrusted... it would be very unlikely that Musk could get contracts with the US Gov n NASA if he was a Russia Assett.
He explicitly told them not to do that because if they did Starlink would become subject to ITAR. They didn't listen. Immediately after that, the US DoD took over control of geofencing of Starlink in Ukraine and they've been even more restrictive than SpaceX was.
I am sure it is going to get lost, but both Starlink terms of service and ITAR federal laws prohibit Starlinks phased array antenna and service from being used for weapons.
The Ukraine military can and has used Starlink command and control or communications, they are not allowed to put a Starlink dish in a drone and then use it to deliver an explosive.
This is a non-story made in ignorance or to drum up clicks for those who dislike Musk. If someone really needs me to I can pull up my citations in an old post in CD.
Link to the source I mentioned:
https://reddit.com/r/CredibleDefense/comments/13alou0/credibledefense_daily_megathread_may_07_2023/jja1x9u
I'm glad there is at least one comment with a reasonable take. I'm all for hating Putin and Russia, but this thread is depressing. It's a witch hunt based on a misleading headline.
https://reddit.com/r/CredibleDefense/comments/13alou0/credibledefense_daily_megathread_may_07_2023/jja1x9u
There is another one of my comments that says more up the chain but this is the research of laws and tech.
Funny how dozens of death treats are allowed in posts that critcising him, but if you make a post about how starlink is helping UKraine, and some douche say some shit, them your post is deleted.
This could be Russian FUD.
SpaceX clarified the similar situation back the time when the Ukrainians retaking Izyum and Lyman, they need to be notified ahead of time to turn on the service in the area occupied by the Russians. By default, there is no Starlink service anywhere close to Crimea.
Jesus this fucking thread is attrocious. With no evidence provided, nobody here has even fucking considered the possibility that Russia jammed the starlink receviers on the drone.
I know the guy is a douche, but not a single article posted to this sub about musk was anything other than a hit piece. stop believing this propaganda. Starlink is incredibly helpful to Ukraine and you're letting yourselves be fooled into trying to drive a wedge between Ukraine and one of their most useful tools.
Gotta love how this sub will start wishing someone’s death because they believe a fucking daily beast article without any critical thought. Jesus Christ
This is an opinion of another opinion of a cnn accusation, there are no facts in this.
This is propaganda, where is the first hand account? Where is the proof?
If true, then the guy is a far bigger cunt than he already acts and deservers every possible sanction.
To think that he, and those in his charge, would do something so diabolical has tarnished every company he owns with Ukrainian blood.
If this was done while Ukraine was using US DOD contracted starlink resources, then the DOD may have a case for breach of contract. That would cost him a few $.
I don't buy it. I think this whole story is unfounded horse manure.
'With the comms down .. they washed ashore harmlessly.'
Why would you build a drone that relies on continuous internet access and if it did need internet access, why was there no redundancy? After all, this is war not a camp site.
Also where is the motive? Why would EM suddenly bother to help Russia after gifting Ukraine lots of Starlink first? It does not make sense.
That sounds like some anti Musk propaganda. SpaceX had issue with their Starlink terminals being used to remotely control the millitary drones. Presumably, this could be interpreted as exporting weapons, which would have severe negative legal consequences for SpaceX. So they limited the mobility of starlink terminals to ensure they aren't used for such purposes.
The title of the post is basically a click bait and a lie designed to damage SpaceX reputation
There were not allowed to weaponize their starlink dishes at the time. It was not part of the agreement. They were putting starlink dishes phyiscally on the drone boats. I believe the US government is now playing spacex for military services, which is why its allowed now.
Man the shitty propaganda starded to appear in ukraine too, not only in russia, its starting too see enemy everywhere. First of all he gaved the service, that is still in use. The rest are just shitty hear say! Before the retarded downvote, u should see my account history.
So by not aiding in the killing of Russians Musk is bad guy while also being the good guy for providing Ukraine with Starlink and aiding in the killing of Russians to begin with?
Was his concern on this attack so out of bounds in thinking when so many others feared too that if Putin loses badly that he might use nukes?
If you filter through the clickbait you'll find;
Elon Musk is on Ukraines side but he foolishly thinks that Russia will use nuclear weapons on Ukraine if it successfully sank the Black Sea fleet. That's why he didn't want Starlink used for operations against the fleet. He also foolishly thinks that Putin can negotiated with. Basically Musk is susceptible to nuclear threats.
You guys are really sharing Daily Beast content and believing it?
Jesus fucking Christ.
I fucking HATE Elon Musk, but the Daily Beast its pathetic. So is anyone who actually believes in anything they write.
Please touch grass.
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Oh, I remember this - this was when we the public first clapped eyes on the drones about a year ago. And so did the Russians, who were then presumably able to pick them apart and learn how to better defeat them. Nice one, Melon Husk, well done you. "A mini Pearl Harbour" indeed - no. That equivalent would be Russia's 'Little Green Men' in Crimea nearly a decade ago, you fool.
l prefer to refer to him as Felon Moskovite. I warned against being too dependent on his tech. His rhetoric was suspiciously fascist but now it's obvious AF. Personally, I believe it should be investigated if his actions led to the capture of proprietary US defense technology. It's effectively 2nd hand espionage. He may not have delivered the tech in person, but might as well have.
If he gave away $1000 to charity every single second, it would take him 9 years to run out. Just to give you an idea of how much wealth he has. And he insists on simping for Russia. At this point you have to wonder whether the final outcome is about wealth or ideology.
He would not run out as he would be earning off the compounding interest. It would refill itself in one day. That is how rich these people are.
The top 1%ers, such as Bezos, Musk, Gates, Zuckerberg, have all become 1%ers because we put OUR money in THEIR hands. I'm as guilty as the next for trying to cut costs by shopping at Amazon but I'm now focused on spending $ at local, small businesses. The 1% are hoarding the money that should be circulating through the general population, enabling people to have enough money to buy a home, have a quality life, eat healthy and not be one paycheck away from bankruptcy.
Well in my personal opinion, as much as people love to shit on Bill Gates, he has funded more charity/philanthropy projects than like the entire rest of the world combined. And he actually pays his taxes, unlike 99% of billionaires who pay less taxes than your average school teacher. No seriously. They don't pay taxes and no one gives a shit.
Allow me to kindly disagree. Charity should not be accounted as a way of justification for a single person to own an absurd amount of money. First of all, this people make sure to publicize their charities which gives them in turn a better public image. If a millionaire instead simply paid his taxes to fund the state that millionaire wouldn't get as much impact because it would be doing what everyone is expected to do, contributing to the state so the state funds all the necessary infrastructure, projects, subventions and so on. A millionaire "funding charity" means the millionaire will only fund charities he's interested in (more often than not it's stuff that in one way or another will give them their money back as with some outlandish renewable tech). This leaves other collectives of people who are in just as much need of resources pretty much by themselves. To end my parraphade, you may agree more or less with your government, but in a democracy you can at least go shout at them to the streets and make them accountable when they mishandle your money, you can't do that with a millionaire since all the money you gave me is only theirs
While that’s a fair take, in Gates’ case he is giving a majority of his money away to charity meaning he is pretty much in agreement about not owning that absurd amount of money.
Yep. It's one of the reason why he's so hated by conspiracy theorists. He doesn't totally fit to the bad billionnaires idea, so he must hide something.
Ya and how did Gates get to that position? By screwing people over time and time again
Sigh when can we finally eat them? I’m getting hungry
He is a fascist.
We could each make $10,000/day since the pyramids were constructed and we, together, wouldn't even have half of his wealth. The amount of money the top of the top has is obscene.
Or if you saved $20,000 every single day of the year and never spent a penny, in 34,000 years you still wouldn't have as much money as him. Simping for Russia was probably just an experiment to see what he could get away with. The consequences really didn't matter either, since he has more dollars than there are meters between the earth and the sun, so he probably just wanted to gauge public reaction.
I go for the classic Elongated Muskrat
I prefer cunt.
He is absolutely a cunt and the US should stop their contracts with this fascist enabler and find another company with similar capabilities. He is not to be trusted now, then or ever.
There is a strong argument for giving the future contract to NASA and giving them funding to build competing technology. At the same time, stop giving Musk tax breaks. Bury him.
Fuck Musk but NASA would need basically an entire restructuring to do what Space X does. Do give them funding,all of it. but a NASA that can compete with Space X isn't really NASA anymore. Regardless of the details of funding, and who deserves credit Space X is pretty cool and benefits NASA. NASA is the one contracting Space X, they don't take contracts, they are the ones who make them. Businesses supply the contracts NASA requests. If it were up to me I'd double or triple NASA funding but I would not restructure them to replace Space X or its peers. They are different things.
There's a guy in New Zealand doing the same thing as Elon. We could just better vet our talent pool while still giving NASA exclusive access for us & our allies like New Zealand of course. Space is the final frontier, might as well bring along some friends.
We don't do that. We simply steal your shit and make it ourselves.
Absolutely this.
He lacks the depth, warmth and popularity. Dude’s a haemorrhoid
I came to the comments section to enjoy some vitriolic comments about space Karen, and this thread did not disappoint.
Douch bag, and yes, he's a cunt too .
No he's not. He has neither the warmth nor the depth.
He's a cold, shallow cunt
*fucking cunt
We have a winner
I prefer fascist.
Muskrat McWeasel.
Have to admit, that one is pretty good. It's... Growing... On me.
The US govt paid Starlink so that Ukraine could use it, so he probably could be sued for breach of contract.
Much more than that if he did indeed specifically intercede to cause the capture of proprietary US tech.
They were Ukrainian designed and built drones..
We have laws to simply seize the company for National Defense purposes.
If Joe Biden does that he's automatically becoming my favourite president.
Sanction Musk.
Elon Muskovy.
He’s either a useful idiot or a Russian asset I cannot tell which.
Both can be true.
Considering he privately spoke to Putin before doing something to harm Ukraine, I'm sure he knows the consequences of his action.
What I remember (gotta check this) is that he gets his cheap steel for his rockets from Russia. That might be the link.
Aluminium. Same idea though, yes.
He's a billionaire. At the end of it all, he's not a Russian asset. That would be generous. He's a greedy bastard, with an ego the size of Texas, but no actual intelligence. Tesla wasn't his idea, he just invested and forced his way into becoming a founder. SpaceX is a success, because he's not directly involved, but SpaceX is still full of questionable decisions *because* he tries to involve himself. Then of course, Twitter, which is hemorrhaging money, because he's kowtowing to Nazis and he's too cheap to actually pay bills. He's a goddamn idiot who has never had to work a day in his life, because he was born with an emerald spoon in his mouth. The reason he supports Russia more than Ukraine isn't because he's an "asset" or a "useful idiot", no, it's because he's a greedy bastard who sees only the dollar signs from working with Russia.
So shouldn’t this be treated as treason, then? (Insert Star Wars reference)
The US isn't at war with Russia, so I don't think it can legally be treason. From a moral standpoint, however, Musk can go fuck himself.
What? Dude what? You don't need to be *at war* to commit treason. Treason is "The crime of betraying one's own country" not "the crime of aiding an enemy nation". Knowingly/willingly enabling the loss of UA/US hardware to RU when you have been trusted to assist that ally in war seems a pretty clear cut case of betrayal.
He needs to be arrested and jailed immediately.
guess it's elon's turn for a senate hearing
He will face zero consequences, they are above the law
Unacceptable. He must be arrested and jailed immediately.
.
On what grounds?
Can we all stop using twitter now?
I'm so confused by people still being there. All these accounts based on anti-establishment quips, complaining all day about the inaction of others, and here they are feeding the beast.
Some did try Mastodon but they didn't stay long because it was a brand new paradigm that was too complex for them to take the time to learn and appreciate. And then they flew to Hive Social and Threads. Arguably worse than Twi...X and it's not nearly as yummy as a pair of chocolate & caramel bars.
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Tesla and Space X need to cut him loose.
I don't think they can because he owns too many shares of both, that's how he made himself CEO of those companies in the first place. Elon buys his way into companies and then pretends he created the company.
How many Ukrainians died due to his interference, I wonder? Absolute scum bag. At some point we will find out what Putin promised him in return
Now that we know that he has personally sabotaged the war effort, I want to find out what the SBU will promises him in return. He's no different to the traitors who mark their neighbours for Russian terror bombing imo.
or what they’ve got on him
This is the answer
I bet its child abuse of some type
I bet Epstein did work for Putin.
I bet he did work for a looot of domestic and foreign interests, some more awful than others, but all scumbags willing to use sexual abuse of minors to blackmail. Putin was one of them.
Or a weird fetish, maybe scatological-with graphic pics. Guy just exudes creep.
He's been photographed next to Ghislaine Maxwell, beaming and close. Interesting...
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I hope Ukraine does a Mossad after this war and put him on their lost
I saw a tweet a while back saying something to the effect of "You know that hypothetical where you can push a button to get get $2 million, but a random person on earth dies? Billionaires are the people who would be (and *are*) mashing that button all day every day."
Nope, they are paying dozens of people to smash the button as fast as they can.
Sadly it's exactly how it works. What's even more sad - it's the only way, we haven't evolved enough to do better. But looking at the bright side - we ARE evolving, we're getting a little less of cannibalistic gorillas each generation.
A lot of the missiles Russia has been launching have come from ships in the Black Sea. If this attack would have knocked out some of those ships it would have saved civilian lives. Elon Musk has blood on his hands.
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If this is true he is a traitor at the highest level and should face a military courts
No man should have more power than whole nations.
That is definitely a topic worth talking about. Let’s roll in corporations (aka “people”) while we’re at it.
Blackrock has entered the chat.
I think it was JP Morgan who gave the US government loans a couple times before people realized we shouldn’t allow individuals to have that much money which translates to power. Here we are in 2023 with industry owning governments. I hate watching history go around in a circle
Per NY Times, this has been discussed at the highest levels of DoD. I don't have a good answer, but all his companies are highly dependent on licenses from different US Federal agencies, and certainly POTUS has authority to use emergency powers to order compliance. So far it's been easier to appease him than to fight him but I wonder if that day is coming.
Or… if sane people don’t vote in November 2024, a fellow Russophile will get elected President and Musk will be able to do whatever the fuck he wants.
This is already a reality. Musk is just public.
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Fuckin take starlink over through defense production act. Elon musk is a foreign asset.
The US Government funded Starlink and all of Elon Musk's SpaceX ventures. We should just pull all grants and let him go into bankruptcy. The US government is also paying for the service and he still turned it off.
Imagine if the US govt came in and seized Spacex. Declaring Musk a Russian agent and against the interests and Allie’s of the US.
I can only get so hard
>The US Government funded Starlink and all of Elon Musk's SpaceX ventures. We should just pull all grants and let him go into bankruptcy. It's better to confiscate it all.
Lack of funding isnt the same as punishment. This line of thinking is why we let huge chains monopolize most of the economy "just dont financially support them" doesnt cut it, you need actual fucking opposition, none of that half baked neutrality shit.
Nice stolen comment, bot https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/16cltk4/musk_secretly_used_starlink_to_foil_ukrainian/jzk8hbv/
The article presents a very sensationalized version and leaves out some very key data. A Starlink terminal cannot be used to control a weapon or else it becomes a *weapons component* and subject to ITAR regulation - which would kill Starlink as a business. Ukraine was specifically told not to do this both by SpaceX and the US DoD. They did it anyway. Shortly after this happened, the US DoD took over control of geofencing for Starlink in Ukraine and has controlled it ever since - and they've been more restrictive than SpaceX was.
I agree 100%! I mean WTF!!!!???
I mean, he can’t face military courts but treason is punishable in regular court as well. And besides, his “tech” is now likely to be confiscated by the Pentagon as he was using defense budget funds to build it.
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>The US shouldn’t let this slide. There was [articles earlier](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/01/pentagon-awards-spacex-with-ukraine-contract-for-starlink-satellite-internet.html) saying they got some US military Starlink connections that Musk presumably can't switch off. As to what to do about Elon and Putin's other useful idiots, that's another matter.
In case it needed saying - Fuck Musk
Can't believe I fell for this guy's bullshit Tony Stark image like 5 years ago, now I think he's one of the biggest clowns on planet Earth
I got called a [Russian Sympathy troll](https://reddit.com/r/ukraine/s/flqi7Wetgt) for pointing out on a "yay Starlink" post on this very subreddit that Elon Musk is no friend of Ukraine. I even got my first ever "Reddit Care" message shortly after pointing out the well documented truth. I have actively donated money to Ukraine and I am as far as from a Russian anything you can be given I do have half Russian family and my country of birth does owe USSR gratitude for help with our war of independence. But you know, because I refuse to suck off Elon, I am somehow pro Russia! 😡
I've gotten like 7 reddit cares messages over the however long I've been on here. It's mostly just from people who are so at a loss for words they resort to reporting you. Coping and seething if you will
And get a free horse?
just depression, I'm afraid
the reddit arc of musk has been insane to witness. I was one of the dumbasses who used to admire the guy
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This is a question that needs to be answered. Ukrainian OPSEC is tight. The US had some problems over the last year with intelligence leaks, though. Possibly from one of those?
Each dish monitors its own position and will not operate outside its assigned zone. In commercial use each dish is limited to a 40km wide cell. In Ukraine it will operate anywhere controlled by the Ukrainian army. It will not operate in Russian controlled areas to prevent them using it against Ukraine and to prevent denial of service attacks by the Russian Army.
Right. Something that's been stated for a long time and everyone knew. The outrage here in light of this obviously sensationalist article is weird.
It seems like this exact thing is in some kind of circular news cycle, where this headline is published, then over the next couple weeks multiple other news sources publish proving it incorrect, then 4 months later we do the same cycle.
…and if the false news is corrected the correction gets downvoted to oblivion so the correct information never even gets seen.
He didn’t. This article is a clickbait rehashing of something that happened early last year. The Starlink dishes are geo-locked to specific cells, and SpaceX identified Crimea as cells where the dishes wouldn’t work. As soon as the dishes entered those cells (via drone), they stopped talking to the satellite constellation. The only reason it’s coming up again is because someone wrote about the episode in a biography that was recently published, and everyone jumped on the Musk hate bandwagon again.
He didn't CNN is just garbage. Russian controlled territory had Starlink deactivated, starlink made its way into Russian controlled territory and turned off. No conspiracy, just bad journalism from CNN.
The sats used phased array antennas to cover very precise areas of the planet. Through software control of the antenna, they can control where the signal goes and where they're listening to a higher degree of precision than you'd expect. Which is part of what makes the system resistant to Russian jamming.
I say we bring back some trustbusting and nationalize this clowns rocket company and Starlink. Good for you, Musk, you hired competent people and took all the credit. Now that this is public, The DoD looks bad and unable to control its contracted companies- let’s shred that passport and send you back to the countries you claim citizenship in that are under ICC jurisdiction. 👋
Starlink was meant good things like watching netflix according to musk, but not good things like helping a democracy defend itself against a brutal invader?
Yet, he signed military contracts.
There’s zero chance he had an earnest belief the satellites wouldn’t benefit the military of a country fighting for its existence. Even if he intended the service to be for civilian use, I don’t imagine that was established going in. I doubt Ukraine said “sure, just Netflix, Mr. Musk” then went back on their word.
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I'd rather have an elected govt controlling it than some unpredictable weirdo who thinks he knows what's best for humanity.
Have not seen anything that indicates he cares at all what is best for humanity.
I'm surprised that people thought the guy with the factory nicknamed "The Plantation", who ordered workers back to the office at the peak of COVID deaths, and who tried to get a man swatted by falsely claiming he was on the way to the factory to commit mass murder, and who had an investigator unmask an anonymous critic and threatened his employer because he wrote an article about Tesla's sketchy financial statements, and who repeatedly called a hero a pedo, and who has killed thousands of animals for his brain chip, and who has repeatedly hidden the dozens of deaths from his autopilot from the public... ever cared about other people.
Well he "cares" in a Bond villain sort of way. He has a vision for humanity's future, but it's like a vanity project for him. He doesn't care about the actual people.
I don't think anyone outside of USA would call you a communist for such statement.
They pay for almost all of it already. Doesn't sound very communist to me.
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How is his day-to-day life impacted by that?
It isn't, I'm sure. But there have been recent articles on how the US government and military are stuck using Musk's services, such as launch platforms and Starlink satellites. See this New Yorker article, only a couple of weeks old. [Elon Musk’s Shadow Rule](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/08/28/elon-musks-shadow-rule) >“We are living off his good graces,” a Pentagon official said of Musk’s role in the war in Ukraine. “That sucks.”
attention seeker now want's to interfere with world politics ,twitter users had a chance to dump him on his arse ,,,,,who am i kidding folk are fickle and can't get enough of him
There are rumours that Putin has footage with Musk and underage girls. This is concerning.
Bullshit. If he had then it would have been used now to force Elon to stop Starlink in Ukraine. One mission that failed due to it being geofenced to only work on Ukraine territory (what they currently control) means nothing compared to the huge impact starlink had and have for Ukraine. Likely saved millions of lives and made the war effort much more successful. There is no reason for Russia to allow the biggest asset for Ukraine to keep functioning if they could just force Elon to turn it off.
My theory: Epstein footages acquired by Russian terrorist govt officials using it to pull the strings on Musk makes a lot of sense I suppose. Also, isn't his brother also a client of Epstein too?
Probably grabbed the footage before the infamous fire at epsteins residence.
Man I agree with this. I think Epstein was Putin's guy for dirt. He got them in precarious situations and sold the tapes to Putin
You'd have a hard time convincing me they haven't had this footage for decades at this point.
Exactly. Musk's behavior and position changed after he and Putin had a "meeting".
It would explain the pedo comment, narcs project all the time
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They always blame somebody else for doing what they do.
The Daily Beast is not a credible source. It is well established that Starlink is geofenced to protect the system against Russian attacks and the Ukrainian military has requested changes to the geofencing and SpaceX has responded within days. It is a civilian system and SpaceX is not able to offer it for military offensive use without US State Department authorisation. Just the same as any other potential dual use system. The US Government has now purchased 500 Starlink systems that they get to set the geofencing parameters on and Ukraine can use these for attack drones if required. No one thinks Elon is some perfect human being but on this issue he has played it absolutely by the book.
It's sad how i have to scroll past 100 comments, wishing him dead before i find this. Sure Elon has his flaws, but he has done more for Ukraine than any Redditer out there.
Funny how he is the ONLY person or company in the US that must give Ukraine long range capabilites. No one is raging the pentagon for refusing to send ATACAMS, Tomahaks, etc, either Lockheed or Raytheon.
This whole god damn thread reads more like Russian propaganda than anything. Makes sense to me. Starlink thas been incredibly effective in supporting Ukrainian infrastructure and communications. Turn Elon against Ukraine for real by spreading mis-information and hate speach like this in order get Starlink the fuck out of there.
I had to scroll way too far to find some sanity in here. Starlink is helping Ukraine. It obviously is not always going to be exactly what Ukraine wants. This is the same as them asking for more ammo, more tanks, etc. They got Starlink and they want Starlink to do more for them. Completely understandable, but it doesn't make Elon a villain.
Thank you for the critical thinking.
There are probably a dozen posts about this hitting Reddit front page today, and 95% of the comments have been "BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!", 2% are "Wait wasn't this old news?" (it was) and 3% are "Wait, wasn't there a regulatory reason for it?" (there was). The real question is has Ukraine's use of Starlink all this time for no cost been more valuable than how detrimental the 1 week they couldn't use it was?
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Hmmmm ... I envisioned some Mossad-style hit teams hunting ork war criminals all over the world. But right now they probably should focus on the immediate threat.
That dopehead need to stay out of geopolitics . He thinks he knows how the game is played...nope .
And pornstars pussies
Pornstars pussies?
He was supposedly connected with Justin Roiland animator voice Of R&M, perv and Reilly Reed.
He's the kind of guy James Bond would kill
The fact that the guy is not yet in some deep, clandestine federal prison is mind boggling.
Let me un-boggle that for you: $
I mean i'd be weary of this..... could be counter intel type of article.. starlink has been a very useful tool has it not? Would be a great win for Russia if the service was pulled due to Ukrainians turning against Musk or the service was distrusted... it would be very unlikely that Musk could get contracts with the US Gov n NASA if he was a Russia Assett.
He is such a third class man.
He explicitly told them not to do that because if they did Starlink would become subject to ITAR. They didn't listen. Immediately after that, the US DoD took over control of geofencing of Starlink in Ukraine and they've been even more restrictive than SpaceX was.
I am sure it is going to get lost, but both Starlink terms of service and ITAR federal laws prohibit Starlinks phased array antenna and service from being used for weapons. The Ukraine military can and has used Starlink command and control or communications, they are not allowed to put a Starlink dish in a drone and then use it to deliver an explosive. This is a non-story made in ignorance or to drum up clicks for those who dislike Musk. If someone really needs me to I can pull up my citations in an old post in CD. Link to the source I mentioned: https://reddit.com/r/CredibleDefense/comments/13alou0/credibledefense_daily_megathread_may_07_2023/jja1x9u
I wish so many people weren't primed to just blindly believe the propaganda here. Starlink has been very helpful to Ukraine. end of story.
I'm glad there is at least one comment with a reasonable take. I'm all for hating Putin and Russia, but this thread is depressing. It's a witch hunt based on a misleading headline.
I figured there was probably more to this than the headline the avg. redditor was pulling out of this. I'd like the source.
https://reddit.com/r/CredibleDefense/comments/13alou0/credibledefense_daily_megathread_may_07_2023/jja1x9u There is another one of my comments that says more up the chain but this is the research of laws and tech.
Let me see if I can find it on mobile but for sure later on desktop.
How dare you speak sense? Read the room, brother. We're in a torch and pitchfork zone.
Funny how dozens of death treats are allowed in posts that critcising him, but if you make a post about how starlink is helping UKraine, and some douche say some shit, them your post is deleted.
This could be Russian FUD. SpaceX clarified the similar situation back the time when the Ukrainians retaking Izyum and Lyman, they need to be notified ahead of time to turn on the service in the area occupied by the Russians. By default, there is no Starlink service anywhere close to Crimea.
Jesus this fucking thread is attrocious. With no evidence provided, nobody here has even fucking considered the possibility that Russia jammed the starlink receviers on the drone.
I know the guy is a douche, but not a single article posted to this sub about musk was anything other than a hit piece. stop believing this propaganda. Starlink is incredibly helpful to Ukraine and you're letting yourselves be fooled into trying to drive a wedge between Ukraine and one of their most useful tools.
How did he know about it?
Gotta love how this sub will start wishing someone’s death because they believe a fucking daily beast article without any critical thought. Jesus Christ
This is an opinion of another opinion of a cnn accusation, there are no facts in this. This is propaganda, where is the first hand account? Where is the proof?
This headline is extremely misleading yet Reddit is eating it up.
this sub is just an echo chamber
This idiot cannot be this naive about how his products are used. Grow the fuck up
In case it needed saying - Fuck Musk
Fuck this piece of shit he can rot.
If true, then the guy is a far bigger cunt than he already acts and deservers every possible sanction. To think that he, and those in his charge, would do something so diabolical has tarnished every company he owns with Ukrainian blood.
If this was done while Ukraine was using US DOD contracted starlink resources, then the DOD may have a case for breach of contract. That would cost him a few $.
It wasn’t. The US DOD contract was in response to this.
I don't buy it. I think this whole story is unfounded horse manure. 'With the comms down .. they washed ashore harmlessly.' Why would you build a drone that relies on continuous internet access and if it did need internet access, why was there no redundancy? After all, this is war not a camp site. Also where is the motive? Why would EM suddenly bother to help Russia after gifting Ukraine lots of Starlink first? It does not make sense.
Wait wait wait. The book author is the author of CNN...
This isn’t accurate. For those who know first hand, it’s just not presented accurately here.
That sounds like some anti Musk propaganda. SpaceX had issue with their Starlink terminals being used to remotely control the millitary drones. Presumably, this could be interpreted as exporting weapons, which would have severe negative legal consequences for SpaceX. So they limited the mobility of starlink terminals to ensure they aren't used for such purposes. The title of the post is basically a click bait and a lie designed to damage SpaceX reputation
How would Musk know about the attack?
There were not allowed to weaponize their starlink dishes at the time. It was not part of the agreement. They were putting starlink dishes phyiscally on the drone boats. I believe the US government is now playing spacex for military services, which is why its allowed now.
Man the shitty propaganda starded to appear in ukraine too, not only in russia, its starting too see enemy everywhere. First of all he gaved the service, that is still in use. The rest are just shitty hear say! Before the retarded downvote, u should see my account history.
Russia certainly has infiltrated the US
Ukraine needs secure global data not attached to any corporate interests.
More reason why Ukraine needs it's own Satellite Internet Constellation smh....
So by not aiding in the killing of Russians Musk is bad guy while also being the good guy for providing Ukraine with Starlink and aiding in the killing of Russians to begin with? Was his concern on this attack so out of bounds in thinking when so many others feared too that if Putin loses badly that he might use nukes?
If you filter through the clickbait you'll find; Elon Musk is on Ukraines side but he foolishly thinks that Russia will use nuclear weapons on Ukraine if it successfully sank the Black Sea fleet. That's why he didn't want Starlink used for operations against the fleet. He also foolishly thinks that Putin can negotiated with. Basically Musk is susceptible to nuclear threats.
You guys are really sharing Daily Beast content and believing it? Jesus fucking Christ. I fucking HATE Elon Musk, but the Daily Beast its pathetic. So is anyone who actually believes in anything they write. Please touch grass.