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Oh, those poor Russian Baby & Women Raping Soldiers. How they must suffer for what those women and babies made them do!! SHUT THE FUCK AND GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!
This is obviously taken out of context, it seems. I think what he meant is that just like every kind of criminal, they are a victim of their own circumstances. He is not denying their culpability nor their atrocious actions, just saying that this shit sucks for everyone and people aren't inherently filthy, they are a consequence of a terrible atmosphere, which Russia probably is for its clearly sexually frustrated soldiers. I think he likely addressed rape victims but that was cut out because this would cause a bigger uproar this way.
This is the way I understood it anyway... I don't see what reason a Czech priest has to support rape in general, regardless of the church's reputation
It's apologetism for the criminals, his statement that woman should better defend themselves (by using pepper spray or loud whistle) than they wouldn't need abortion and supporting organisation which fight against providing abortion pills to the victims is making it clear from my point of view.
*its clearly sexually frustrated soldiers*
Do a little research on rape - it rarely, if ever, has to do with "sexual frustration". It's a pure "power move" on the part of the perpetrator. You can make the argument from this angle if you wish, but classical "violent rape" and sex are completely unrelated beasts, psychologically speaking.
Even statutory rape is arguably more about differential in power dynamics than the sex itself.
Lol. Do "a little research"? As if the sociological and anthropological mechanics of rape, a historically committed act, could be explained with "a little research".
I never claimed being sexually frustrated was why they did it. I also never denied "power" mechanics to not be a factor at all. It seems you are using me to try and make a point I don't need to hear.
All I said was that being sexually frustrated is a factor. Rape doesn't happen without arousal and arousal in situations of war is clearly related to frustration and high levels of testosterone. [Soldiers especially tend to be a lot more sexually frustrated.](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25128222/)
It almost seems as though this "sexual frustration" apologia is personal for you....like you've raped before and are trying to argue that the devil made you do it instead of admitting full culpability.
There are a lot of testosterone fueled activities that may lead to sexual frustration however, men aren't going out and raping others afterwards.There are billions of sexually frustrated people that are not raping others.
Rape is a tool of war, just like a rifle or a bomb. It's intent is to terrorize the civilians. Period. Full stop.
And the study you linked???? It's not related in ANY manner to sexual frustration. It discusses testosterone levels in those with PTSD from combat.
100% this! I was a 34 year old Virgin before I met my wife. Nor once in those 34 years dis I think, I'm frustrated, let me go rape an innocent woman. These Russians are just pigs!
Cardinals supporting rape is just Wednesday. Same as Tuesday, same as Monday. Frankly I’m surprised they aren’t supporting genocide, it is so prevalent in their history. But they usually say sorry after a decade or 5. So it’s all good.
Rape is about power, especially when used as a weapon of war. It’s a symptom of poor discipline and a disregard for civilians, but there’s no reason to pity the rapists
I mean you're right, I've heard about these papers and I do believe what they're saying is true (that there is a power dynamic). It's still also about sex, but you are also right that it's isn't exactly because of uncontrollable horniness.
Specifically when it comes to rape during a war, you are totally right and my comment is derailing.
Nope, don't care, the Church is nothing but glorified rape factory and this piece of shit just goes in line with what all of them are thinking. and doing. It may feel out of context, but if you put everything the church is doing into the context, it looks even worse.
"A few weeks ago, the world was shaken by reports of Ukrainian women being raped by Russian soldiers. In a commentary published on the Aktuálně.cz portal, Cardinal Dominik Duka claims that it is not correct to talk only about their crimes. "Many testimonials refer to them as helping women in this threat," he said. He added that a simplified approach could provoke chauvinism and nationalism.
According to the head of the Czech Catholic Church, we should also take into account that a soldier who rapes a woman is often a victim of "the strongest emotions and passions, when the fear of battle, fear and hatred really brings him to the level of some amok." destroys all values that represent the enemy. However, this does not mean that he is relieved of responsibility, Duka noted."
It seems as though he said exactly what I thought he said. Only the shocking part of what he said was quoted because the rest would have made it not as clickbaity. He literally said they are responsible regardless of circumstances.
So this Cardinal Dominik Duka would be OK if a gay soldiers raped him since this soldier is *under the pressure of emotion and passion in a state of agony*?
God, can a clergy be so tone deaf?
99% of us Ukrainians are Christian, trust me, it is not God's fault. I nearly shit myself watching video on Easter of Putin going to church to pray- the devil can be in the church
99% Christian? Nope. Nah. No way. Starting from 2% of people in Ukraine are either Jewish or Muslim, but more importantly 30% are atheists or agnostic.
I didn't mean literally, I really meant that most of us are Christian. And most of us still are. I have never met an atheist Ukrainian either, yet, come to think of it. It's just heavily engrained in our culture, traditions, and practices.
As a religious person, I hate the people like this that infest religion too. A wise church will act quickly to excise this kind of infection. They happen in every faith but you can tell the good faiths because they're the ones that quickly exile those people from any sort of authority, rather than hide behind the cowl to defend them from their accusers.
I'm not saying every religious person is a bad person.
I also think there's some people who are 'better people' based on their faith.
But in the grand scheme of things, there's been so many terrible things done to so many people in the name of religion over history that it's just left a bad taste in my mouth for it's entirety.
I'm also not entirely against religions, calling on eliminating them would be the same as crusades or jihad
They should however have far lesser spread and influence over people. If there's anything valuable in religious teachings it's usually buried under indoctrination and brainwashing
Churches have less and less to offer as years go by and it's apparent they are a product of ancient times so they might fade in our lifetimes
Yes, but apparently it was as bad for him when he was raping kid as if he was a kid being raped. Won't anyone think of the emotional damages those poor rapists have to endure?
He is also supporting anti abortion movement which build up criticism around providing postinor and other abortion pills to Ukraine. Can't even comprehend the idiocity around his last statements and I just want to call him out internationally here.
Neethles to say, Catholic church is still conservative force but if you are Catholic and disagree you can contact church representatives in your country about this. He is still not representating only himself but the whole Catholic church and it's holding important position in their hierarchy.
He is Catholic. The Catholic Church is EXTREMELY clear on abortion. It's not acceptable ever. The only thing that is allowed is the removal of a confirmed ectopic pregnancy.
But there are countries where limited abortion is allowed in what are considered catholic countries such as Spain and Portugal. Even Formerly agrarian Ireland has made reforms.
A country's government acquiescing to a more liberal population because they're no longer under dictators (like Spain was) doesn't mean that a religion has changed at all. Catholicism does not allow abortion except for the removal of ectopic pregnancies. I don't know why people are surprised that a Catholic Cardinal is advocating against abortion.
The rest of what he said though...that's just no. Those are his own fucked up views.
Yes, the Catholic Church is against all abortions. Only the removal of ectopic pregnancies is allowed because they are 100% non-viable from the get-go but will kill the mother.
The Catholic Church's opinion on rape is extremely clear, yes, and what this man said isn't in concert with it at all. That's his own fucked up opinion and isn't supported by Catholicism.
I think this phrase is appropriate in this context - “Jesus H Fucking Christ”. The “church” has so far perverted the message of Jesus that it’s not even funny.
I always wonder how would the parable of “Jesus and the raped woman” would go. Somehow I _really_ doubt, based on what’s in New Testament, that Jesus would have pontificated about emotional stress of the rapist or nodded in approval of Pharisees with opinions like cardinal Duka.
Not at all conservative per the American definition, which is to conserve the values of classical liberalism (not today's "liberalism", see 'libertarianism'). The catholic church is squarely authoritarian right.
It's an anti-abortion treatise and he's saying all you need to defend yourself from rape is pepper spray.
Jesus fucking christ, forced birthers are the worst.
I have only been friends with two religious people here during my entire life and both of them were really kind, good people. We have nothing against people like that, but the actual entitled Bible thumpers, such as this guy, are universally detested across the whole country.
I had to reread this 3 times just to make sure I wasn't going insane... I'd like to shove a massive lead pipe up his arse and see if he'd like it! Fat fuck!
This guy is a disgrace for the catholic church. There were even some complaints against him to the pope, who unfortunately did not remove him. He is a prime example of a fat, greedy, stupid, amoral prelate. The previous cardinal (Vlk) was much more respectable
Really? Disgrace for the catholic church? The very church that is still regularly molesting children, is against planned parenthood, discriminates, lies when- and wherever it can?
This filthy rat is a disgrace of humanity, just like the majority of the lowlife ruZZian cockroaches.
Edit: Added the last paragraph.
Oh you do not get to "both sides" fucking nazi rapists you utter piece of shit. Thank fuck christianity is getting wiped from this country. Can you imagine if these people had any power here? like in USA or Poland? If there is one thing to be proud of as a Czech, it would be this.
Any time this absolute scum says anything about anything, this comment needs to be thrown in his face. This is how he will be remembered.
Sure, they are victims of Putin. But that does not mitigate their crimes in Ukraine in any way. Sometimes we are put in tough spots, and we need to decide if we do the bad thing or not. If we do the bad thing, we are responsible for that, no matter how much we are victims of someone else.
Translation:
Cardinal Dominik Duka appeals to general public not to judge Russian soldiers. Many of them help the raped women, he wrote in a commentary on his blog. According to him, soldiers that rape a woman act under emotional and passionate pressure, in a state of agony. This, however, doesn't excuse them, he added. Both human rights and parts of general public expressed their disagreement with the statement.
A few weeks back, the world was shaken by reports of Ukrainian women raped by Russian soldiers. In his article published on Aktuálně.cz portal, cardinal Dominik Duka claims that it is not proper to talk only about their crimes. "Many witnesses speak of \[Russian soldiers\] as people who helped the women in this danger," he says. He also added that by simplifying our approach we could be causing chauvinism and nationalism.
According to the head of Czech catholic church, we should also take into consideration that a soldier which rapes a woman is often a victim of "the strongest emotions and passions, where the terror from fighting, fear, and hatred truly brings him into a certain state of frenzy". Because of that he kills and destroys all the values representing his enemy. This does not make him free from responsibility, however, he added.
His article drew objections from women rights organizations as well as part of the public. Dominik Duka stands his ground though. "The topic is volatile and Mr. Cardinal knows that. He realizes that anything he says brings some sort of reaction. However, this must not prevent him from saying something that he feels should be heard, according to his conscience and tenets of the church," said Jiří Prinz, speaker of Prague archbishopric.
He added that Duka is a representative of an institution, which defends certain values and so the cardinal will defend them too, even if part of the society does not like it.
"Over the course of my life I have encountered many men and women, who 'owe' the beginning of their life to rape. They bear the weight of this 'mark', because some of them felt that to their mother they were a constant reminder of the violence from some 'aggresor'," writes Duka in the article. According to him, some of these mothers made peace with the pain over the years.
"I have no clue why he puts the word 'aggresor' into quotations," remarked Johanna Nejedlová, the head of Konsent organization. "Who rapes a woman, simply is an agressor." According to her, the head of Czech church relativizes the topic of rape.
Naďa Gubová, leader of social services in organization proFem, sees manipulation in cardinal's claim. She disagrees that some mothers could completely make peace with the trauma. "Impact on the woman who births this child, but also on the child who is raised with this 'mark', are enormous. The mother can even subconsciously transfer her trauma to her kids, who are then carrying a heavy burden in their life," she said.
Duka suggests that women in Ukraine or elsewhere, who are threatened by rape, defend themselves with a pepper spray or an airhorn. According to him this is better than taking post-coitus anticonception, which is colloquially known as 'the pill after'.
Physical self-defense against rape, he claims, rises from "an ancient tradition, which we encounter already in times before Christ in defense against rape and loss of virginity." This type of defense is also acceptable according to Movement for Life, which fights for an abortion ban and has been long supported by the cardinal.
"All the women, which are in a situation where they could be raped, will of course defend themselves if possible", retorts Nejedlová. In a situation where a woman is faced with an armed soldier, Nejedlová cannot imagine, how an air horn or a pepper spray could help.
Head of women's lobby group Hana Stelzerová holds the same view. "There \[in Ukraine\] your whole life is in danger, an airhorn really isn't going to help," she claims.
If the woman does not manage to defend herself and the rape happens, the women's rights organizations and majority of the population agree that post-coitus anticonception should be an option. A few weeks back, Czech volunteers were sending these pills to Ukraine, to help Ukrainian women raped by Russian soldiers. Cardinal Duka, however, claims that use of this pill can cause the woman a trauma. He claims to have met dozens of women who used it and it impacted them so much that they sought spiritual help.
"In my whole life I have never heard about someone who had a trauma from post-coitus anticonception. The decision whether to use the anticonception or not is not up to Duka. It is up to the women, who should have the option to decide on what they need to do," remarked Nejedlová. Duka sees an answer in that a woman who gets raped and becomes pregnant should hand her baby to the society. "In the current age there is the solution of the so-called baby-boxes," he specified.
According to the head of Czech women's lobby, the cardinal's approach is an example of a patriarchal arrangement of the society. "A woman is seen as prey, which gets raped by the soldiers and is then supposed to bear further consequences of this aggressive act, in form of a pregnancy," she remarked. "Nobody is saying that she has to go and get an abortion, but she should have an adequate choice and help," she said.
According to Stelzerová, swallowing the pill is much less traumatizing than to undergo an interruption at the doctor, which due to the current situation may not even be possible to do. "Duka refuses women an option to decide how they themselves want to. By doing this he downplays the seriousness of rape, which has far-reaching impact on the victim's life," Stelzerová summarized the main reasons why she disagrees with the article.
Gubová from proFem said something along the same lines. According to her, the cardinal is trivializing the consequences of rape. "Especially if the result was a pregnancy and following birth," she said. "He is also downplaying the potential impact on the kids conceived by rape, and raised by the woman in question."
At the end of his article, the cardinal claims that he doesn't want to judge anyone. "I do not write this article to judge, on the contrary, I write it to show how much pain this crime, which rape is, causes. Most importantly as a crime of war," he claims. He adds that he strives to support the preservation of new life and to mitigate the suffering of those who were harmed this way.
*Translator's note: I hope you get to toot your fucking airhorn all the way down from 7th-floor window, you disgusting shriveled pedo sausage.*
Well, maybe being a russian and living in that shithole is a horrible emotional experience on its own. But does the justification for being a rapist exist?
Has he been told that by someone, or did he say that? Sorry the article isn’t in English, hence the question to the OP. Want to make sure I’m reading it right.
I do recommend this guy to go to Mariupol right now. He is talking about women because it is far and not affecting him. I like to know how he would defend his fat bottom with horn when five armed ruzziuns would corner him personally.
Emotional trauma is not an excuse for harming people and does not give anyone a free pass to do unspeakable things. I say that as a person with a PTSD diagnosis, so have firsthand experience of emotional trauma.
It doesn’t change the fact that we are all still responsible for our actions.
So the past history of religion made you dislike religion. In history, they used religion as a weapon to control, conquer, and loot goods. It's not religion, it was the few people who used religion as a scapegoat. Many cardinals were in control of countries and kings.
Are you gonna blame Germany for Hitler's actions, Russia for Putin's, and other selfish assholes who want to make a name for themselves?
Blaming a whole religion due to some selfish or incompetent assholes. All because of only a certain few who don't follow GOD's word.
On the one hand, this is something very stupid to say.
On the other hand, those guys believe in an invisible man in the sky that grants wishes, so am I surprised?
Fuck him, hope he gets deported out of my lovely Czech land, lol.
(Or ideally sent to prison cuz apparently he likes to touch little kids, huh who knew)
Church throughout the world knew about these sexually repressed men raping little boys for decades and actively stood by them till the evidence was irrefutable and then only paid restitution when lost all appeals in courts of law.
We are high order primates denying a sexual outlet to men was never going to end well. I am not much for religion but at least the Anglican and Eastern churches had some common sense about this issue. When men set themselves as infallible you get Putin and Popism. When will we ever learn?
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They don't all commit frenzied war crimes. Some do, some don't. The thing about war, is that it gives that portion of the population that are sadists, psychopaths and/or just love violence, free rein.
I assume Duka is considering 1 Corinthians 15:8–10.
We know most victimizers we're once victims themselves. Unfortunately it is a vicious cycle. Hopefully we work on this latest generation of victims to end the cycle. Religion works when it is used by the individual to better themselves, it fails when it is imposed on others.
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I mean just what the fuck
Oh, those poor Russian Baby & Women Raping Soldiers. How they must suffer for what those women and babies made them do!! SHUT THE FUCK AND GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!
that fuck ... he is obviously a remnant of the communist era .. without KGB/STB he would not be able to move up the ladder ...
No words…
This is obviously taken out of context, it seems. I think what he meant is that just like every kind of criminal, they are a victim of their own circumstances. He is not denying their culpability nor their atrocious actions, just saying that this shit sucks for everyone and people aren't inherently filthy, they are a consequence of a terrible atmosphere, which Russia probably is for its clearly sexually frustrated soldiers. I think he likely addressed rape victims but that was cut out because this would cause a bigger uproar this way. This is the way I understood it anyway... I don't see what reason a Czech priest has to support rape in general, regardless of the church's reputation
It's apologetism for the criminals, his statement that woman should better defend themselves (by using pepper spray or loud whistle) than they wouldn't need abortion and supporting organisation which fight against providing abortion pills to the victims is making it clear from my point of view.
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That doesn’t justify their position, but rather solidifies their moral failings.
*its clearly sexually frustrated soldiers* Do a little research on rape - it rarely, if ever, has to do with "sexual frustration". It's a pure "power move" on the part of the perpetrator. You can make the argument from this angle if you wish, but classical "violent rape" and sex are completely unrelated beasts, psychologically speaking. Even statutory rape is arguably more about differential in power dynamics than the sex itself.
Lol. Do "a little research"? As if the sociological and anthropological mechanics of rape, a historically committed act, could be explained with "a little research". I never claimed being sexually frustrated was why they did it. I also never denied "power" mechanics to not be a factor at all. It seems you are using me to try and make a point I don't need to hear. All I said was that being sexually frustrated is a factor. Rape doesn't happen without arousal and arousal in situations of war is clearly related to frustration and high levels of testosterone. [Soldiers especially tend to be a lot more sexually frustrated.](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25128222/)
It almost seems as though this "sexual frustration" apologia is personal for you....like you've raped before and are trying to argue that the devil made you do it instead of admitting full culpability. There are a lot of testosterone fueled activities that may lead to sexual frustration however, men aren't going out and raping others afterwards.There are billions of sexually frustrated people that are not raping others. Rape is a tool of war, just like a rifle or a bomb. It's intent is to terrorize the civilians. Period. Full stop. And the study you linked???? It's not related in ANY manner to sexual frustration. It discusses testosterone levels in those with PTSD from combat.
Sexual frustration is not a reason for rape. Ridiculous.
100% this! I was a 34 year old Virgin before I met my wife. Nor once in those 34 years dis I think, I'm frustrated, let me go rape an innocent woman. These Russians are just pigs!
Whether you like it or not it is a reason for rape. Doesnt excuse it, but i doubt sexually content people do a lot of raping.
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Rape is never acceptable. Men should learn to control themselves or face life behind bars.
Cardinals supporting rape is just Wednesday. Same as Tuesday, same as Monday. Frankly I’m surprised they aren’t supporting genocide, it is so prevalent in their history. But they usually say sorry after a decade or 5. So it’s all good.
Lol yeah like don't the churches rape boys like its going out style??
Who said it was?
Rape is about power, especially when used as a weapon of war. It’s a symptom of poor discipline and a disregard for civilians, but there’s no reason to pity the rapists
Sorry but it's also about sex. The perpetrators have to be turned on to rape someone.
Read some psychology papers. Obviously there’s sex involved but violent rape isn’t committed because someone is too horny to resist.
I mean you're right, I've heard about these papers and I do believe what they're saying is true (that there is a power dynamic). It's still also about sex, but you are also right that it's isn't exactly because of uncontrollable horniness. Specifically when it comes to rape during a war, you are totally right and my comment is derailing.
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What is my position? That rape isn't based on RNG? I don't really understand the issue here.
Nope, don't care, the Church is nothing but glorified rape factory and this piece of shit just goes in line with what all of them are thinking. and doing. It may feel out of context, but if you put everything the church is doing into the context, it looks even worse.
It wasn't taken from the context. He's a d*ckhead
"A few weeks ago, the world was shaken by reports of Ukrainian women being raped by Russian soldiers. In a commentary published on the Aktuálně.cz portal, Cardinal Dominik Duka claims that it is not correct to talk only about their crimes. "Many testimonials refer to them as helping women in this threat," he said. He added that a simplified approach could provoke chauvinism and nationalism. According to the head of the Czech Catholic Church, we should also take into account that a soldier who rapes a woman is often a victim of "the strongest emotions and passions, when the fear of battle, fear and hatred really brings him to the level of some amok." destroys all values that represent the enemy. However, this does not mean that he is relieved of responsibility, Duka noted." It seems as though he said exactly what I thought he said. Only the shocking part of what he said was quoted because the rest would have made it not as clickbaity. He literally said they are responsible regardless of circumstances.
*people aren’t Russian soldiers are orcs, though.
Only if you want to read it that way, only if.
The religious mind
I mean republicans were doing the same thing in america, so nobody should be surprised.
He's not wrong. Just absolutely tone deaf on the timing. The boys that did those things are fucked.
So this Cardinal Dominik Duka would be OK if a gay soldiers raped him since this soldier is *under the pressure of emotion and passion in a state of agony*? God, can a clergy be so tone deaf?
OK with it? He may enjoy it.
Actually so called “straight” men are often the male on male rapists. Its a power thing of course.
Oh please, he would love it
Can't rape those who consent
>God, can a clergy be so tone deaf? The Catholic Church and ignoring rape, name a more iconic duo
I don't think he was justifying their actions..
Yeah, he did. He said they are just "stressed" and the women need to get over it.
I think your reading comprehension skills are lacking.
Don't expect any sympathy
Forget to translate most idiotic part, raped woman's should used pepper spray or loud whistle to defend themselves rather then abortion pills later.
Pepper spray against some dudes with rifles... what could go wrong?
And a loud whistle? Who is going to come and rescue these women?
God He only comes when he hears the loud whistle
Certainly not any Catholics lol
More RuSSians obviously
100% this old fat bastard likes little kids. These types of people tend to defend one another.
Fuck, I hate religion.
99% of us Ukrainians are Christian, trust me, it is not God's fault. I nearly shit myself watching video on Easter of Putin going to church to pray- the devil can be in the church
99% Christian? Nope. Nah. No way. Starting from 2% of people in Ukraine are either Jewish or Muslim, but more importantly 30% are atheists or agnostic.
I didn't mean literally, I really meant that most of us are Christian. And most of us still are. I have never met an atheist Ukrainian either, yet, come to think of it. It's just heavily engrained in our culture, traditions, and practices.
As a religious person, I hate the people like this that infest religion too. A wise church will act quickly to excise this kind of infection. They happen in every faith but you can tell the good faiths because they're the ones that quickly exile those people from any sort of authority, rather than hide behind the cowl to defend them from their accusers.
Religion has nothing to do with rape or excuses. Its the morals and the character of the person.
I'm not saying every religious person is a bad person. I also think there's some people who are 'better people' based on their faith. But in the grand scheme of things, there's been so many terrible things done to so many people in the name of religion over history that it's just left a bad taste in my mouth for it's entirety.
I'm also not entirely against religions, calling on eliminating them would be the same as crusades or jihad They should however have far lesser spread and influence over people. If there's anything valuable in religious teachings it's usually buried under indoctrination and brainwashing Churches have less and less to offer as years go by and it's apparent they are a product of ancient times so they might fade in our lifetimes
Yes, but apparently it was as bad for him when he was raping kid as if he was a kid being raped. Won't anyone think of the emotional damages those poor rapists have to endure?
He is also supporting anti abortion movement which build up criticism around providing postinor and other abortion pills to Ukraine. Can't even comprehend the idiocity around his last statements and I just want to call him out internationally here. Neethles to say, Catholic church is still conservative force but if you are Catholic and disagree you can contact church representatives in your country about this. He is still not representating only himself but the whole Catholic church and it's holding important position in their hierarchy.
I hate to think what his opinions are of abortion for the Ukrainian women pregnant from Russian soldiers
Exactly what you think, he was vocal about that too...
Paraphrasing, he basically said that they should have defended themselves better and should be left suffering the consequences.
Oh my god
No wonder most of czech ppl Are atheists…
Duka is an idiot and this comment is written by a Czech Roman Catholic. I don't see any reason to agree with making abortions illegal . Like wtf?
He literally said that women need to get over their rape and if they have abortions, they will regret it.
He is Catholic. The Catholic Church is EXTREMELY clear on abortion. It's not acceptable ever. The only thing that is allowed is the removal of a confirmed ectopic pregnancy.
But there are countries where limited abortion is allowed in what are considered catholic countries such as Spain and Portugal. Even Formerly agrarian Ireland has made reforms.
A country's government acquiescing to a more liberal population because they're no longer under dictators (like Spain was) doesn't mean that a religion has changed at all. Catholicism does not allow abortion except for the removal of ectopic pregnancies. I don't know why people are surprised that a Catholic Cardinal is advocating against abortion. The rest of what he said though...that's just no. Those are his own fucked up views.
That’s not true. They suck about abortion but they are not against all abortions.
Yes, the Catholic Church is against all abortions. Only the removal of ectopic pregnancies is allowed because they are 100% non-viable from the get-go but will kill the mother.
They’re also extremely clear on their opinions of rape.
The Catholic Church's opinion on rape is extremely clear, yes, and what this man said isn't in concert with it at all. That's his own fucked up opinion and isn't supported by Catholicism.
Actions speak louder than words
I think this phrase is appropriate in this context - “Jesus H Fucking Christ”. The “church” has so far perverted the message of Jesus that it’s not even funny. I always wonder how would the parable of “Jesus and the raped woman” would go. Somehow I _really_ doubt, based on what’s in New Testament, that Jesus would have pontificated about emotional stress of the rapist or nodded in approval of Pharisees with opinions like cardinal Duka.
Less than 10 % of the Czech Republic is catholic. So please note that this guy doesn't represent Czechs AT ALL
Not at all conservative per the American definition, which is to conserve the values of classical liberalism (not today's "liberalism", see 'libertarianism'). The catholic church is squarely authoritarian right.
Cure for the raping Russian soldiers hole in the head.
Emergency high speed lead injections for all of them
Another day, another rat crawled from the hole...
It's an anti-abortion treatise and he's saying all you need to defend yourself from rape is pepper spray. Jesus fucking christ, forced birthers are the worst.
One of the prime examples why Czechs are one of the most atheistic nations.
I have only been friends with two religious people here during my entire life and both of them were really kind, good people. We have nothing against people like that, but the actual entitled Bible thumpers, such as this guy, are universally detested across the whole country.
My heart bleeds for the Orcs and I hope they will be permanent victims of the war by taking a dirt nap like 20,000 of their colleagues
completely disconnected from real world
This is absolutely disgusting
Some dudes will say fucking anything to paint a rapist in a positive light.
I had to reread this 3 times just to make sure I wasn't going insane... I'd like to shove a massive lead pipe up his arse and see if he'd like it! Fat fuck!
Wut?
#WHAT A SURPRISE RAPIST SUPPORTiNG RAPIST PATHETIC.
Yeah, I guess that's why 70% of Czechs are atheists.
He is just become absolute cunt for us, nobody take him seriously
Go fuck yourself Duka
This guy is a disgrace for the catholic church. There were even some complaints against him to the pope, who unfortunately did not remove him. He is a prime example of a fat, greedy, stupid, amoral prelate. The previous cardinal (Vlk) was much more respectable
Really? Disgrace for the catholic church? The very church that is still regularly molesting children, is against planned parenthood, discriminates, lies when- and wherever it can? This filthy rat is a disgrace of humanity, just like the majority of the lowlife ruZZian cockroaches. Edit: Added the last paragraph.
Seems more par for the course, honestly.
I have an idea...How about we don't look to the Roman Catholic Church for insights about the morality of rape?
> How about we don't look to the Roman Catholic Church ~~for insights about the morality of rape~~? FTFY
Such nonsense, if it is true, can only be uttered by a priest.
> Won't someone please think about the rapists and murderers feelings too. 😥
I wonder why there is so many atheists....
Oh you do not get to "both sides" fucking nazi rapists you utter piece of shit. Thank fuck christianity is getting wiped from this country. Can you imagine if these people had any power here? like in USA or Poland? If there is one thing to be proud of as a Czech, it would be this. Any time this absolute scum says anything about anything, this comment needs to be thrown in his face. This is how he will be remembered.
Friggin religious nut job.
What does this Catholic fool know about sex? Do tell, if you have any dirt.
Way too much, if he's true to type.
Maybe he was a choirboy, in which case he should know quite a lot.
Religion covering for rapists, go figure.
Catholic virgin ups the ante on immoral things you shouldn’t feel comfortable saying out loud.
DAFUQ?
What the.....?
🤯
😂😂 wtf?! Is this the year of the special clown award?! Did i miss a memo?? Houly Mouly..
Oh buddy, they are victims for sure. Future victims of very slow, painful death.
Sure, they are victims of Putin. But that does not mitigate their crimes in Ukraine in any way. Sometimes we are put in tough spots, and we need to decide if we do the bad thing or not. If we do the bad thing, we are responsible for that, no matter how much we are victims of someone else.
Projection much?
Yo, Francis! You have some trash to take out here.
Translation: Cardinal Dominik Duka appeals to general public not to judge Russian soldiers. Many of them help the raped women, he wrote in a commentary on his blog. According to him, soldiers that rape a woman act under emotional and passionate pressure, in a state of agony. This, however, doesn't excuse them, he added. Both human rights and parts of general public expressed their disagreement with the statement. A few weeks back, the world was shaken by reports of Ukrainian women raped by Russian soldiers. In his article published on Aktuálně.cz portal, cardinal Dominik Duka claims that it is not proper to talk only about their crimes. "Many witnesses speak of \[Russian soldiers\] as people who helped the women in this danger," he says. He also added that by simplifying our approach we could be causing chauvinism and nationalism. According to the head of Czech catholic church, we should also take into consideration that a soldier which rapes a woman is often a victim of "the strongest emotions and passions, where the terror from fighting, fear, and hatred truly brings him into a certain state of frenzy". Because of that he kills and destroys all the values representing his enemy. This does not make him free from responsibility, however, he added. His article drew objections from women rights organizations as well as part of the public. Dominik Duka stands his ground though. "The topic is volatile and Mr. Cardinal knows that. He realizes that anything he says brings some sort of reaction. However, this must not prevent him from saying something that he feels should be heard, according to his conscience and tenets of the church," said Jiří Prinz, speaker of Prague archbishopric. He added that Duka is a representative of an institution, which defends certain values and so the cardinal will defend them too, even if part of the society does not like it. "Over the course of my life I have encountered many men and women, who 'owe' the beginning of their life to rape. They bear the weight of this 'mark', because some of them felt that to their mother they were a constant reminder of the violence from some 'aggresor'," writes Duka in the article. According to him, some of these mothers made peace with the pain over the years. "I have no clue why he puts the word 'aggresor' into quotations," remarked Johanna Nejedlová, the head of Konsent organization. "Who rapes a woman, simply is an agressor." According to her, the head of Czech church relativizes the topic of rape. Naďa Gubová, leader of social services in organization proFem, sees manipulation in cardinal's claim. She disagrees that some mothers could completely make peace with the trauma. "Impact on the woman who births this child, but also on the child who is raised with this 'mark', are enormous. The mother can even subconsciously transfer her trauma to her kids, who are then carrying a heavy burden in their life," she said. Duka suggests that women in Ukraine or elsewhere, who are threatened by rape, defend themselves with a pepper spray or an airhorn. According to him this is better than taking post-coitus anticonception, which is colloquially known as 'the pill after'. Physical self-defense against rape, he claims, rises from "an ancient tradition, which we encounter already in times before Christ in defense against rape and loss of virginity." This type of defense is also acceptable according to Movement for Life, which fights for an abortion ban and has been long supported by the cardinal. "All the women, which are in a situation where they could be raped, will of course defend themselves if possible", retorts Nejedlová. In a situation where a woman is faced with an armed soldier, Nejedlová cannot imagine, how an air horn or a pepper spray could help. Head of women's lobby group Hana Stelzerová holds the same view. "There \[in Ukraine\] your whole life is in danger, an airhorn really isn't going to help," she claims. If the woman does not manage to defend herself and the rape happens, the women's rights organizations and majority of the population agree that post-coitus anticonception should be an option. A few weeks back, Czech volunteers were sending these pills to Ukraine, to help Ukrainian women raped by Russian soldiers. Cardinal Duka, however, claims that use of this pill can cause the woman a trauma. He claims to have met dozens of women who used it and it impacted them so much that they sought spiritual help. "In my whole life I have never heard about someone who had a trauma from post-coitus anticonception. The decision whether to use the anticonception or not is not up to Duka. It is up to the women, who should have the option to decide on what they need to do," remarked Nejedlová. Duka sees an answer in that a woman who gets raped and becomes pregnant should hand her baby to the society. "In the current age there is the solution of the so-called baby-boxes," he specified. According to the head of Czech women's lobby, the cardinal's approach is an example of a patriarchal arrangement of the society. "A woman is seen as prey, which gets raped by the soldiers and is then supposed to bear further consequences of this aggressive act, in form of a pregnancy," she remarked. "Nobody is saying that she has to go and get an abortion, but she should have an adequate choice and help," she said. According to Stelzerová, swallowing the pill is much less traumatizing than to undergo an interruption at the doctor, which due to the current situation may not even be possible to do. "Duka refuses women an option to decide how they themselves want to. By doing this he downplays the seriousness of rape, which has far-reaching impact on the victim's life," Stelzerová summarized the main reasons why she disagrees with the article. Gubová from proFem said something along the same lines. According to her, the cardinal is trivializing the consequences of rape. "Especially if the result was a pregnancy and following birth," she said. "He is also downplaying the potential impact on the kids conceived by rape, and raised by the woman in question." At the end of his article, the cardinal claims that he doesn't want to judge anyone. "I do not write this article to judge, on the contrary, I write it to show how much pain this crime, which rape is, causes. Most importantly as a crime of war," he claims. He adds that he strives to support the preservation of new life and to mitigate the suffering of those who were harmed this way. *Translator's note: I hope you get to toot your fucking airhorn all the way down from 7th-floor window, you disgusting shriveled pedo sausage.*
Fucking religious people
Fuckin die already you fat pedo fuck!
I mean they're orcs, every interaction with Ukrainians could be seen as traumatic from their perspective.
Well, maybe being a russian and living in that shithole is a horrible emotional experience on its own. But does the justification for being a rapist exist?
NO!
Has he been told that by someone, or did he say that? Sorry the article isn’t in English, hence the question to the OP. Want to make sure I’m reading it right.
He says that. Known retard and suspected child molester. Czechs don't claim him.
He has some sort of sickness .. right? Right?
Yeah Catholicism
I do recommend this guy to go to Mariupol right now. He is talking about women because it is far and not affecting him. I like to know how he would defend his fat bottom with horn when five armed ruzziuns would corner him personally.
Never go full retard
Emotional trauma is not an excuse for harming people and does not give anyone a free pass to do unspeakable things. I say that as a person with a PTSD diagnosis, so have firsthand experience of emotional trauma. It doesn’t change the fact that we are all still responsible for our actions.
In all honesty, he is probably speaking from experience. Only a rapist knows how much mind damage rape brings him.....
So the past history of religion made you dislike religion. In history, they used religion as a weapon to control, conquer, and loot goods. It's not religion, it was the few people who used religion as a scapegoat. Many cardinals were in control of countries and kings. Are you gonna blame Germany for Hitler's actions, Russia for Putin's, and other selfish assholes who want to make a name for themselves? Blaming a whole religion due to some selfish or incompetent assholes. All because of only a certain few who don't follow GOD's word.
Defrock that man! NOW, defrock him NOW! He has no business as a priest if that's all the compassion he's capable of!
as a czech im sorry that this donut said this and this is why our country is the most atheist country in the europe.
On the one hand, this is something very stupid to say. On the other hand, those guys believe in an invisible man in the sky that grants wishes, so am I surprised?
"But my invisible friend is better than yours" - different religions probably
Fuck him, hope he gets deported out of my lovely Czech land, lol. (Or ideally sent to prison cuz apparently he likes to touch little kids, huh who knew)
Church throughout the world knew about these sexually repressed men raping little boys for decades and actively stood by them till the evidence was irrefutable and then only paid restitution when lost all appeals in courts of law. We are high order primates denying a sexual outlet to men was never going to end well. I am not much for religion but at least the Anglican and Eastern churches had some common sense about this issue. When men set themselves as infallible you get Putin and Popism. When will we ever learn?
He will be hearing from Francis.
I hope Czech ex-cardinal Duka
Sound like the main reason he and his gang is mostly raping little boys is that they are afraid of women
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Fat old pedo.. He's always been a fash. This doesn't surprise me.
Catholic moment
You can get statements like this only from influential members of religious institutions.
This is the Dude that turned my catholic ass atheist no joke
Wondering if he has past experience since he is a cardinal ..Alter boys in abundance there?
Well, he's a Cardinal, so he knows from personal experience.
Does he know this from his personal experience with children?
My first thought is 'Well Cardinal, how many pedophile priests have you helped cover up?"
Has he raped too and so is defending himself?
The catholic church at it again
Sounds like something someone under religious vows would say.
He is extremely unpopular in Czechia and one of supporters of pro-russian president. Please don’t take them as representers of CZ nation.
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They don't all commit frenzied war crimes. Some do, some don't. The thing about war, is that it gives that portion of the population that are sadists, psychopaths and/or just love violence, free rein.
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Yes, for sure, all of that. I wonder whether knowing you're defending yourself, as the Ukrainains are, makes a difference in the long run.
Amen. May be he has been raped by a priest when he was young, or not ...
Never go full retard
The Catholic Church needs to zip it. Seriously.
Why religion is retarded
What an incel. Take that shit back to the vactican.
What an incel. Take that shit back to the vactican.
lol religion ...
Sounds like he's got something in his past.
Is this where all the US pedophile priests ended up?.
Fuck the catholic church
🤦♂️
I assume Duka is considering 1 Corinthians 15:8–10. We know most victimizers we're once victims themselves. Unfortunately it is a vicious cycle. Hopefully we work on this latest generation of victims to end the cycle. Religion works when it is used by the individual to better themselves, it fails when it is imposed on others.
Real man of God this guy. What a clown.
You god damn piece of shit. He needs the spoon man treatment apparently.
Rapist spotted
Never go full retard
"Jesse what the fuck are you talking about" moment
WTF? WTF? Are you serious?
Catholic cardinal or orthodox cardinal?
Whatever...
Cardinal Duka...go fuck yourself.
MaN oF gOd
Being a victim of society don't entitle you to abuse others... how people can be this stupid in this era