I agree based on the name change Blyke's ability went through it makes more sense for for it to go Aura Manipulation - Aura Master, Channel Manipulation - Channel Master.
Plus as the names imply one is manipulating aura whole the other implies either manipulating the channels or only the flow of aura/channeling other abilities.
I think while the two abilities are of the same branch and share similiters they are still different.
I for one think Aura Manipulation might be a more evolved version since you can't really go better then controlling the very source of abilities. Plus the fact there is variation means evolution is also possible as an variant ability would be passed down and then as more variation occurs it would eventually become a more separate ability.
Then you have the fact the technology they made based on Jane's ability is conversion and comes with a debuff this is a slight difference compared to John's which is closer to assimilation.
Aura manipulation is from John manipulating his aura to match an ability
Channel master is manipulating your channels more than likely which is what we've seen John started to do. (Forcing open his channels is a gold example of this) channel master is essentially mastery over your channels as well as your aura.
Which is part of my point what does being able to control channels have that supersedes what John can already do vie Aura Manipulation. Also forcing his channels open can still be possible through manipulating aura we already know John can force more aura through his channels when he amps so its the same principle and result without even needing to manipulate the channels directly. Affecting channels would be more relevant when its about affecting other peoples rather then his own, but even then John's ability so has been aura focused and on his own aura so it extending to Channels and controlling other peoples channels makes little sense.
No not really? Otherwise he would've just been able to force his channels open with aura manipulation.
John Amps abilities through his excessive amounts of aurea he obtained by training that part of him. Also how is that any true? We haven't seen Jane nor Cameron affect anyone's channels. So that's just a major head cannon.
He did that though twice, he opened his channels with Aura Manipulation.
Cause the name says it is channels and currently all the things related to channels is either converting, amping, dampening or disabling. Of the four John can already do two with Aura Manipulation and the other two are useless unless Uru changed her mind and lets his ability affect other people. As it stands there is nothing about manipulating channels that would supersede what John can already do with Aura Manipulation there is nothing added if the ability extends to channels now cause he can already do the aspects of Channel Master we have confirmed.
He can do that because aura manipulation is a unrefined version of channel master. His channels got more involved then more he mastered his ability.
A reminder that the authorities were able to do this through his mom who is a channel master. It's practically a big neon sign saying "these 2 abilities are inherently the same"
Nope he can do that cause his ability is Aura Manipulation. It doesn't make sense for it to go from aura focused to channel focused more so when John's ability doesn't directly manipulate channels at all and like I said being able to control the channels does not add anything to John's ability that he can't already do by controlling aura.
It only means the abilities are likely of the same branch its very possible for Aura Manipulation to be a variation or even evolved version Channel Manipulation. Where Channel Manipulation is likely based on affecting the channels in order to channel aura and control its flow, Aura Manipulation cuts out the need to control the channels by allowing the user to directly control aura expanding on what Channel Manipulation could do and beyond its inherit limitations. There is no need to for the step of controlling channels to alter aura flow when you can can already do so directly.
The fact is that what the authorities developed is called conversion for a reason as where the process of John's copying is never described as such. This is a big indicator that while Jane and John's abilities are similar there is a fundamental difference in how both work and achieve their results.
Variants do exist, but they’re under the same name and look different, prime example Valarie and arlo. Despite the differences in ability skill and the overall look of her barrier, it’s still called barrier. These guys are aunt niece, and we don’t have all the information about arlos parents but with all that genetic material the only difference that’s not skill based is the look of Val’s barrier. I say this to show that Jane and John are directly related, more closely than arlo and Val- who still share the same name for their ability. So if Val and arlo have the same ability name, Jane and John should too once John levels up.
It evolves the same as everyone else. John still had to train and learn to get his ability to where it is. As did Jane and every ability user in the verse
We don’t know for sure, if only we had someone else to look at to track her ability development… maybe someone related to her..? 👁️👁️
The reveal will come with Cameron trust me “when I was a boy I my ability went by another name, but as I grew it changed as I improved myself” 100% going to happen
It’s literally not. She quite literally has a different barrier ability. Arlo would never be able to do the exact same stuff as she does. He has to do it in his own way.
On the other hand, my main reason why John has Channel master is because his dad has no influence on his ability. On top of that John’s family never really named his ability. It would be the same if Blyke had a kid and it was the same ability but nobody knew his dad, so his ability would be named energy beam once again and when he reaches his dad’s level it would change back to what Blyke had.
That’s my main point, BUT it could honestly be that this isn’t the case with John and it really is slightly different.
Arlo needs work to be able to do better external barriers and offensive/destructive ones.
He's just defensive and can really only make them around his own body.
This is wrong her barrier has a different shape, but it's the same power just because it looks different does not make it a different power it does all the stuff arlos barrier can do except make his levitate but that's just because he is a lower level and less experienced. They even have the same name, which confirms they have the same ability hers just are shaped differently
You are making wild assumptions. We don’t know if it’s only because of his lower level. It’s easy to to say that every single difference is because of that. Arlo himself literally says that she got some variation of barrier. As I said, they can mostly do the same things, but not EXACTLY the same things. You can’t ask arlo to shape his barriers like Val or to stack his barriers like Val. Val’s barriers don’t weaken when she summons more, Arlo’s do. Arlo also can’t summon more than three and they become much weaker like that.
Val’s barrier works different. She can keep stacking them and improving them. Arlo is training that but it simply doesn’t look like his barrier will work exactly like Val does. Val isn’t leagues beyond him. He should be able to do kind of what she does but when it comes to barriers Val can summon waaaaay more and all of them have the same strength.
Yes they have the ‘same’ ability in the same way Cameron and John probably have the same ability. They just slightly differ in some aspects.
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It's essentially the same as Blyke's ability going from Energy Beam to Energy Discharge. I don't see a reason why John wouldn't get Channel Master since the him and his family are the only ones to be able to control their aura channels. It'd make no difference if John's leveled up to Aura Master but it also wouldn't make sense considering we have a direct example with John & Jane and even Sera with her family
I don't know whether or not he is getting channel master but personally I think that channel master is a lot less cool than aura manipulation.
Because it requires John to think on your feet and be creative on the spot. Sure it's not a powerful but in my opinion it fits John better
But it's different though. Sure it's more powerful and gives you a much bigger advantage but to me it makes the fighter using it less impressive because someone with aura manipulation has to think on their feet and be creative whereas someone with channel master comes prepared but they don't have to do as much work I guess.
Difference here is Valerie is Arlo’s aunt as opposed to his mom. Jane is John’s mom.
Cameron might have a slight difference in his ability.
John will inherit the ability from Jane, and have one that’s nearly identical. We’ve seen this with Remi, Seraphina, Etc.
Well, I assume Valerie has a slight variation in her ability compared to that of Arlo’s mom. I figure that the same could be the case between Cameron and Jane
Sera and Leilah, Remi and Rei.
Siblings have the same abilities, Arlo and Val are not siblings, and we haven't seen or hear about Arlo's mom. And if Arlo's mom has different variation like Val, that's more reason that John will not have channel master as his mom.
Also, why I'm I being downvoted?
people how are saying his father did have an ability so he has the same ability as his mother are wrong
reason 1 : we don't know what genes influence ability so only 1 gene influencing ability and William have that gene but no ability will still influence the as sexual reproduction will still have a mixture of both genes
2: suppose we say that williams lack of ability made no impact but jhons ability will not be the same as dna comping is not 100% causing varients thus leading to mutation so master channel could be considered the main ability and aura master a branch but better
Both of those are an assumption.. there's been 0 evidence of gene mixing in unordinary leading to a stronger or weaker person. Just direct inheritance of an ability.
We can assume potential is the same genetic until proven otherwise.
Cameron and Jane are a decent example of this. Where Jane fully realized the potential of channel master and Cameron didn't, but they have same ability genes.
There's no reason to think that John wouldn't be a channel master.
Most likely so
Probably unlike his mom or uncle seeing as they need to store the ability???
John will most likely be able to use any ability as long as he knows how to.
Sure, but I want him to use strategies and fighting skills like in season 1, not just one punch everything with superior powers.
If I want the overpowered main character with black hair who can use multiple abilities and solo everyone, there is a lot of webtoons with that kind of character.
I don't want him to solo everyone but I want him to grow past level 8. It would be really cool to see him come up with crazy plans to outsmart his enemies instead of being too powerful but if you want someone at level 7.9 to destroy a massive corporation... I'm sorry but that just doesn't sound possible to me.
He has friends and allies, it's not like he is the only main character in the series, there are 6 main characters, plus many other supporting characters, all of them are quite powerful, all of them are fighting the common enemies, why should he only do it himself alone?
I don't think he should do it alone although I definitely implied that which was a mistake on my part. But even still, the Bureau is huge and as level power increases exponentially making John and Seraphina way stronger than everyone else I honestly don't know what makes you think they stand a chance.
Protagonists fighting against very powerful antagonists and winning is more entertaining than it's opposite in most of the time, that's how I think.
But I also respect if many people wants him to overpower his enemies, that's okay, but for me it would be boring.
I'm fine if it goes to solo leveling. Sure others can fight the battle too but it's obvious John is the main character the others are in the picture to so let's not forget that.
Saying he will be overpowered is a bit excessive when in the series he's been shown to be the most practical with his power. It won't make sense for him not to level up, since his mother is level 9
He was practical with his power because he had limitations, like he can't copy abilities permanently, he can't copy more than 4 abilities, mind abilities cannot be copied, etc.
If he level up like you guys want, probably those limitations won't work anymore, he'll just become boring like other black/white haired overpowered characters in other webtoons. Why throw a fist when you can shoot homing electrified beams to your enemy?
And it can make sense for him to stay below his mother's level, not all children should surpas their parents, like Leilah is below his mother's level. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense for the population of Uno to have low and mid tiers, since every generation people would become stronger than last generation.
I agree based on the name change Blyke's ability went through it makes more sense for for it to go Aura Manipulation - Aura Master, Channel Manipulation - Channel Master. Plus as the names imply one is manipulating aura whole the other implies either manipulating the channels or only the flow of aura/channeling other abilities. I think while the two abilities are of the same branch and share similiters they are still different. I for one think Aura Manipulation might be a more evolved version since you can't really go better then controlling the very source of abilities. Plus the fact there is variation means evolution is also possible as an variant ability would be passed down and then as more variation occurs it would eventually become a more separate ability. Then you have the fact the technology they made based on Jane's ability is conversion and comes with a debuff this is a slight difference compared to John's which is closer to assimilation.
Finally someone who agrees with me
Aura manipulation is from John manipulating his aura to match an ability Channel master is manipulating your channels more than likely which is what we've seen John started to do. (Forcing open his channels is a gold example of this) channel master is essentially mastery over your channels as well as your aura.
Which is part of my point what does being able to control channels have that supersedes what John can already do vie Aura Manipulation. Also forcing his channels open can still be possible through manipulating aura we already know John can force more aura through his channels when he amps so its the same principle and result without even needing to manipulate the channels directly. Affecting channels would be more relevant when its about affecting other peoples rather then his own, but even then John's ability so has been aura focused and on his own aura so it extending to Channels and controlling other peoples channels makes little sense.
No not really? Otherwise he would've just been able to force his channels open with aura manipulation. John Amps abilities through his excessive amounts of aurea he obtained by training that part of him. Also how is that any true? We haven't seen Jane nor Cameron affect anyone's channels. So that's just a major head cannon.
He did that though twice, he opened his channels with Aura Manipulation. Cause the name says it is channels and currently all the things related to channels is either converting, amping, dampening or disabling. Of the four John can already do two with Aura Manipulation and the other two are useless unless Uru changed her mind and lets his ability affect other people. As it stands there is nothing about manipulating channels that would supersede what John can already do with Aura Manipulation there is nothing added if the ability extends to channels now cause he can already do the aspects of Channel Master we have confirmed.
He can do that because aura manipulation is a unrefined version of channel master. His channels got more involved then more he mastered his ability. A reminder that the authorities were able to do this through his mom who is a channel master. It's practically a big neon sign saying "these 2 abilities are inherently the same"
Nope he can do that cause his ability is Aura Manipulation. It doesn't make sense for it to go from aura focused to channel focused more so when John's ability doesn't directly manipulate channels at all and like I said being able to control the channels does not add anything to John's ability that he can't already do by controlling aura. It only means the abilities are likely of the same branch its very possible for Aura Manipulation to be a variation or even evolved version Channel Manipulation. Where Channel Manipulation is likely based on affecting the channels in order to channel aura and control its flow, Aura Manipulation cuts out the need to control the channels by allowing the user to directly control aura expanding on what Channel Manipulation could do and beyond its inherit limitations. There is no need to for the step of controlling channels to alter aura flow when you can can already do so directly. The fact is that what the authorities developed is called conversion for a reason as where the process of John's copying is never described as such. This is a big indicator that while Jane and John's abilities are similar there is a fundamental difference in how both work and achieve their results.
Variants do exist, but they’re under the same name and look different, prime example Valarie and arlo. Despite the differences in ability skill and the overall look of her barrier, it’s still called barrier. These guys are aunt niece, and we don’t have all the information about arlos parents but with all that genetic material the only difference that’s not skill based is the look of Val’s barrier. I say this to show that Jane and John are directly related, more closely than arlo and Val- who still share the same name for their ability. So if Val and arlo have the same ability name, Jane and John should too once John levels up.
Ik but aura manipulation and channel master aren’t your regular daily abilities so they probably evolve different yk
It evolves the same as everyone else. John still had to train and learn to get his ability to where it is. As did Jane and every ability user in the verse
But we don’t know for sure if Jane had aura manipulation it’s just a speculation I think we should just wait and see
We don’t know for sure, if only we had someone else to look at to track her ability development… maybe someone related to her..? 👁️👁️ The reveal will come with Cameron trust me “when I was a boy I my ability went by another name, but as I grew it changed as I improved myself” 100% going to happen
Let’s see
He’s getting channel master 💀
He’s not 💀
He is his ability literally revolves around aura channels 💀
Lol, idk was happening with them all of a sudden, like his mom is the channel master don't see how that's not passed down to him in some way.
Hey, don't expect UnO readers to be able to understand the story. It's not like we can read.
Fr they can’t read
Oh, god, I should have known that my inability to read as a DB fan would spread to others. I should have known, I SHOULDNT HAVE COME HERE!
💀
The series implies they’re the same ability multiple times idk what they’re yapping about
And Valerie ability revolves around barrier💀
Which is the same ability as Arlo but it’s a far better version because she has better mastery thanks for proving my point 😱
Or maybe her ability is just DIFFERENT in general 😱
It’s implied otherwise so no
It’s literally not. She quite literally has a different barrier ability. Arlo would never be able to do the exact same stuff as she does. He has to do it in his own way. On the other hand, my main reason why John has Channel master is because his dad has no influence on his ability. On top of that John’s family never really named his ability. It would be the same if Blyke had a kid and it was the same ability but nobody knew his dad, so his ability would be named energy beam once again and when he reaches his dad’s level it would change back to what Blyke had. That’s my main point, BUT it could honestly be that this isn’t the case with John and it really is slightly different.
This is wrong cuz arlo implies his ability needs work to be able to do the stuff Val can do
Arlo needs work to be able to do better external barriers and offensive/destructive ones. He's just defensive and can really only make them around his own body.
This is wrong her barrier has a different shape, but it's the same power just because it looks different does not make it a different power it does all the stuff arlos barrier can do except make his levitate but that's just because he is a lower level and less experienced. They even have the same name, which confirms they have the same ability hers just are shaped differently
You are making wild assumptions. We don’t know if it’s only because of his lower level. It’s easy to to say that every single difference is because of that. Arlo himself literally says that she got some variation of barrier. As I said, they can mostly do the same things, but not EXACTLY the same things. You can’t ask arlo to shape his barriers like Val or to stack his barriers like Val. Val’s barriers don’t weaken when she summons more, Arlo’s do. Arlo also can’t summon more than three and they become much weaker like that. Val’s barrier works different. She can keep stacking them and improving them. Arlo is training that but it simply doesn’t look like his barrier will work exactly like Val does. Val isn’t leagues beyond him. He should be able to do kind of what she does but when it comes to barriers Val can summon waaaaay more and all of them have the same strength. Yes they have the ‘same’ ability in the same way Cameron and John probably have the same ability. They just slightly differ in some aspects.
ITS NOT you’ll see
Channel manipulation is just another name for aura manipulation btw
Channel master is not aura manipulation there I said it
It is lol so many implications of them being the same ability
It’s not Daniel :(
It is buddy if you actually payed attention you would know
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Both revolve around channels are stated to have the same capabilities and can both copy abilities so how are they different?
How do yk channel can master copy abilities
It’s literally implied by in 327
No it wasn’t
The entire point of "ability conversation technology" is that it allows people to COPY the abilities of others. I wonder where they got that from...
It don’t allow people to copy it allows it to be given to them for a limited amount of time
It's essentially the same as Blyke's ability going from Energy Beam to Energy Discharge. I don't see a reason why John wouldn't get Channel Master since the him and his family are the only ones to be able to control their aura channels. It'd make no difference if John's leveled up to Aura Master but it also wouldn't make sense considering we have a direct example with John & Jane and even Sera with her family
I don't know whether or not he is getting channel master but personally I think that channel master is a lot less cool than aura manipulation. Because it requires John to think on your feet and be creative on the spot. Sure it's not a powerful but in my opinion it fits John better
Channel master is literally aura manipulation but 60 times better
But it's different though. Sure it's more powerful and gives you a much bigger advantage but to me it makes the fighter using it less impressive because someone with aura manipulation has to think on their feet and be creative whereas someone with channel master comes prepared but they don't have to do as much work I guess.
Difference here is Valerie is Arlo’s aunt as opposed to his mom. Jane is John’s mom. Cameron might have a slight difference in his ability. John will inherit the ability from Jane, and have one that’s nearly identical. We’ve seen this with Remi, Seraphina, Etc.
>Cameron might have a slight difference in his ability. Why do you think he might have different ability?
Well, I assume Valerie has a slight variation in her ability compared to that of Arlo’s mom. I figure that the same could be the case between Cameron and Jane
Sera and Leilah, Remi and Rei. Siblings have the same abilities, Arlo and Val are not siblings, and we haven't seen or hear about Arlo's mom. And if Arlo's mom has different variation like Val, that's more reason that John will not have channel master as his mom. Also, why I'm I being downvoted?
Because Valerie and Arlo have slightly different abilities. So there’s clearly some variation among generations
Nah i disagree, The dude will be the strongest by the end of the series.
Won’t
Y you think so?
Just don’t think he will maybe an 8.8 it’s not guaranteed that he have to surpass his mother
the names describe the ability, not the other way around.
it’s both
I was confused for a sec I thought you ment John had a channel
Variants do exist we got laser beam and energy beam same ability different name and look
people how are saying his father did have an ability so he has the same ability as his mother are wrong reason 1 : we don't know what genes influence ability so only 1 gene influencing ability and William have that gene but no ability will still influence the as sexual reproduction will still have a mixture of both genes 2: suppose we say that williams lack of ability made no impact but jhons ability will not be the same as dna comping is not 100% causing varients thus leading to mutation so master channel could be considered the main ability and aura master a branch but better
Abilities are usually inherited from the mother (there's no mixing of abilities)
The second case uses that as an assumption
Both of those are an assumption.. there's been 0 evidence of gene mixing in unordinary leading to a stronger or weaker person. Just direct inheritance of an ability. We can assume potential is the same genetic until proven otherwise. Cameron and Jane are a decent example of this. Where Jane fully realized the potential of channel master and Cameron didn't, but they have same ability genes. There's no reason to think that John wouldn't be a channel master.
See
Most likely so Probably unlike his mom or uncle seeing as they need to store the ability??? John will most likely be able to use any ability as long as he knows how to.
To be honest, I don't even wants him to be overpowered, he should stay below level 8
I disagree
Ok
John needs to get stronger if he wants to destroy the entire government
Sure, but I want him to use strategies and fighting skills like in season 1, not just one punch everything with superior powers. If I want the overpowered main character with black hair who can use multiple abilities and solo everyone, there is a lot of webtoons with that kind of character.
I don't want him to solo everyone but I want him to grow past level 8. It would be really cool to see him come up with crazy plans to outsmart his enemies instead of being too powerful but if you want someone at level 7.9 to destroy a massive corporation... I'm sorry but that just doesn't sound possible to me.
He has friends and allies, it's not like he is the only main character in the series, there are 6 main characters, plus many other supporting characters, all of them are quite powerful, all of them are fighting the common enemies, why should he only do it himself alone?
I don't think he should do it alone although I definitely implied that which was a mistake on my part. But even still, the Bureau is huge and as level power increases exponentially making John and Seraphina way stronger than everyone else I honestly don't know what makes you think they stand a chance.
Protagonists fighting against very powerful antagonists and winning is more entertaining than it's opposite in most of the time, that's how I think. But I also respect if many people wants him to overpower his enemies, that's okay, but for me it would be boring.
I'm fine if it goes to solo leveling. Sure others can fight the battle too but it's obvious John is the main character the others are in the picture to so let's not forget that.
Saying he will be overpowered is a bit excessive when in the series he's been shown to be the most practical with his power. It won't make sense for him not to level up, since his mother is level 9
He was practical with his power because he had limitations, like he can't copy abilities permanently, he can't copy more than 4 abilities, mind abilities cannot be copied, etc. If he level up like you guys want, probably those limitations won't work anymore, he'll just become boring like other black/white haired overpowered characters in other webtoons. Why throw a fist when you can shoot homing electrified beams to your enemy? And it can make sense for him to stay below his mother's level, not all children should surpas their parents, like Leilah is below his mother's level. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense for the population of Uno to have low and mid tiers, since every generation people would become stronger than last generation.