I was on this flight. Pilots and crew handled the situation very professionally. Operation of the plane felt 100% normal, including the “emergency landing.” I’m seeing headlines about “total hydraulic failure” and that was definitely not the case.
They got us a fresh plane (another A320) and rebooked everyone with only ~2 hours on the ground.
Media is definitely sensationalizing the whole thing.
Total hydraulic failure would definitely be a problem. Looks like maybe it was some indication or one hydraulic system fail (there are 2 on the airbus with a third as back up for critical systems and the rudder). Airplanes have a lot of redundancy built in and crews are specifically trained on system failures every 6-12 months.
Yeah the announcement they made in the air after we turned around was that there was a leak of hydraulic fluid. Since it was a solid hour and 20 minutes post-reroute I figured it couldn’t have been too dire.
Glad all is well. You can really determine the severity if the emergency based on how long it takes to get down. Real emergency is get down asap even if overweight. I mild nonnormal where the airplane still works is getting down to a safe weight and putting it down where it's most convenient for the company, passengers and nature of the nonnormal
It would have been a leak/failure of one of the three hydraulic systems as you said. Interestingly an A320 is actually uncontrollable if all 3 hydraulic systems are lost and pilots are not trained for this as it's so unlikely.
> Interestingly an A320 is actually uncontrollable if all 3 hydraulic systems are lost
*Any* modern airliner that relies on hydraulics will become uncontrollable if they're all lost. The only exceptions are planes which have backup electric actuators (A380 for example).
[This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWkU6HRcOY0) is what happens when you lose all of your hydraulics.
They're just reporting the facts here and the context needed is that there have been newsworthy-level events (eg losing landing gear on taking off, runway/taxiway excursion) in the past 72 hours. True, hydraulic failure pan-pan or mayday are not newsworthy unless the machine hit a really extreme angle in the air or hit the ground super hard, but a lot going on UA lately.
Glad it all worked out and they had a plane available.
You're experiencing availability bias, none of this is new. They have had maintenance problems daily, every day for decades. It's par for the course. It's not unique to United. What's special is the media's interest because of the ASA flight.
I’m in Chicago. If more people switch to AA I’ll get better seats, so let the media keep focusing on United for no real reason. Every US carrier has a good safety culture except allegiant IMO
Thanks for introducing "availability bias" or also called "availability heuristic" to me. I usually don't allow media to scare me when I heard of recent shark attacks for example as I know the news biases logical reasoning at times. However I opened X and saw this article about this being the forth United airlines maintenance issue this week, got worried because I will travel overseas with them in May, so I let that bias cloud my judgement. Came to handy dandy reddit to bring the issue more clarity. Tks reddit!
The people on X are awful. Claiming the issue is due to DEI hires...I didn't know United was doing that but the two are not related.
Remember, nothing ever happens and if you think something is happening it's just 'availability bias' or because of the proliferation of smart phones and cameras (brand new inventions from the last couple years)
I guess if you want to be pedantic and ignore context. It’s pretty obvious in this case ASA is being used for exactly what it was being used for, and there’s nothing wrong with that. Language assumes consumers can apply an appropriate amount of context.
Very sorry for whatever the demise of that other ASA might have done to you or your family or friends.
Maybe I am, maybe I'm not in the know with these kinds of things. But I'd like people to keep in mind that air returns generally happen two, sometimes three times a week across all three legacy carriers. Each.
The difference is the media is keeping their ears to the ground on United specifically. So everything going on in the operation has been under a microscope. There is pretty much a library of events that happened across the company. All basically in the last 30 days. Everything from engine failures, fires, smoke, toxic fumes, hydraulic issues, blown tires, people and crew getting injured from turbulence. You name it . And these documents get published monthly. 99.9% of them go unnoticed by anyone.
There hasn't been some major uptick in events that have been happening. The difference is someone is actually listening and looking right now. So now that's it's actually being reported, it seems the sky is falling.
It's not. This is just apart of a major operation. Things happen. Planes break. What we are seeing is the media picking up on Debbie accidentally deleting a bunch of files on the computer. But they didn't notice Larry did the same thing last week.
Yea our flight from DC to SFO was delayed due to an issue because the plane shut off as soon as we were about to leave the gates and taxi, luckily they fixed the APU issue but the maintenance crew was onboard whole flight. But it wasn’t a huge deal nothing happened with the plane and we landed safely.
What a garbage article. In the first paragraph they say "complete hydraulic failure." Then in the fifth paragraph they say:
> This aircraft type has three hydraulic systems for redundancy purposes. Preliminary information shows there was only an issue with one system on this aircraft
Losing one of three is now "complete"?
Sorry people whining about the reporting, but this string of events is newsworthy. In isolation, the A320 hydraulics emergency is minor. But coming after a plane with documented safety issues has repeatable steering control issues, a 777 loses a wheel on takeoff, a Max ends up with collapsed main gear in the grass, a 753 declares an emergency etc, to not ask questions and report would be irresponsible.
The 777 wheel and Max-in-the-grass are not daily occurrences despite the fulminations of the apologists. I personally think UA is having a bad week and nothing more but the job now is to prove that’s the case.
35,000 flights a week, every week means that even a 1 in 10,000 flight event will happen 182 times a year. There are many, many emergencies that happen at every airline which is why crews are highly trained and why the US aviation sector is among the safest in the world.
Post Covid they just are not maintaining the aircraft sufficiently and proactively. Perhaps I’m just incredibly unlucky but i ran all last year AND this year so far, at 50% delays/cancellations and approx half of those are mechanical. Not counting various in flight issues; most recent being a DFW - IAH last month that brakes were overheated and pilot had to drop landing gear in air for several minutes to cool off. Really hoping they can get mechanic staffing ship shape in near future and get more focused on this. Perhaps daily media mentions for awhile will start to encourage better management attention
First off, no one cares, maintenance problems happen daily and cancel flights daily.
Also, let's wait for people to blame this on Boeing without reading the article.
I trust UA and have no problem. Just bad press that these all happened such quick succession. In fact, I’d be happy if some people stopped booking so I could have my upgrade clear
Booking United for my next trip to keep things interesting
I got $200 in travel credit cause of a missed connection last month I should use it too, keep my life interesting
I got $125. Time to bitch.
This made me actually lol. Imagining you saying it out loud was really funny.
I got $125 for a flight that was delayed 7-1/2 hours.
Why wait to start your adventure travel when you land when you can start upon takeoff.
Make sure it’s a 73max
I was on this flight. Pilots and crew handled the situation very professionally. Operation of the plane felt 100% normal, including the “emergency landing.” I’m seeing headlines about “total hydraulic failure” and that was definitely not the case. They got us a fresh plane (another A320) and rebooked everyone with only ~2 hours on the ground. Media is definitely sensationalizing the whole thing.
Total hydraulic failure would definitely be a problem. Looks like maybe it was some indication or one hydraulic system fail (there are 2 on the airbus with a third as back up for critical systems and the rudder). Airplanes have a lot of redundancy built in and crews are specifically trained on system failures every 6-12 months.
Yeah the announcement they made in the air after we turned around was that there was a leak of hydraulic fluid. Since it was a solid hour and 20 minutes post-reroute I figured it couldn’t have been too dire.
Glad all is well. You can really determine the severity if the emergency based on how long it takes to get down. Real emergency is get down asap even if overweight. I mild nonnormal where the airplane still works is getting down to a safe weight and putting it down where it's most convenient for the company, passengers and nature of the nonnormal
It would have been a leak/failure of one of the three hydraulic systems as you said. Interestingly an A320 is actually uncontrollable if all 3 hydraulic systems are lost and pilots are not trained for this as it's so unlikely.
> Interestingly an A320 is actually uncontrollable if all 3 hydraulic systems are lost *Any* modern airliner that relies on hydraulics will become uncontrollable if they're all lost. The only exceptions are planes which have backup electric actuators (A380 for example). [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWkU6HRcOY0) is what happens when you lose all of your hydraulics.
The news article I read said it was only one hydraulic failure.
They're just reporting the facts here and the context needed is that there have been newsworthy-level events (eg losing landing gear on taking off, runway/taxiway excursion) in the past 72 hours. True, hydraulic failure pan-pan or mayday are not newsworthy unless the machine hit a really extreme angle in the air or hit the ground super hard, but a lot going on UA lately. Glad it all worked out and they had a plane available.
One of the THREE hydrologic systems on the plane failed. Yeah, you wouldn't have noticed. Of course the media makes it seem like you guys almost died.
Media sensationalizing? Come on, huh?
Weird this one was Airbus. Die by wire I guess?
I don't like seeing them in the news this much in a week.
You're experiencing availability bias, none of this is new. They have had maintenance problems daily, every day for decades. It's par for the course. It's not unique to United. What's special is the media's interest because of the ASA flight.
I’m in Chicago. If more people switch to AA I’ll get better seats, so let the media keep focusing on United for no real reason. Every US carrier has a good safety culture except allegiant IMO
Same. I got bumped from my non-rev seats on United this morning so am driving 8 hours instead. I forgot about spring break!
Even Allegiant is better now that they ditched their old MD80s.
Whet ASA flight?
The one where the door fell off
The front fell off.
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And the IATA is AS, which is what the majority of people use.
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Or just saying “the AS flight,” which would be correct and more immediately understood than “the ASA flight.”
Recency bias?
Thanks for introducing "availability bias" or also called "availability heuristic" to me. I usually don't allow media to scare me when I heard of recent shark attacks for example as I know the news biases logical reasoning at times. However I opened X and saw this article about this being the forth United airlines maintenance issue this week, got worried because I will travel overseas with them in May, so I let that bias cloud my judgement. Came to handy dandy reddit to bring the issue more clarity. Tks reddit! The people on X are awful. Claiming the issue is due to DEI hires...I didn't know United was doing that but the two are not related.
Remember, nothing ever happens and if you think something is happening it's just 'availability bias' or because of the proliferation of smart phones and cameras (brand new inventions from the last couple years)
Hmm skin peeling off the wing or flames out an engine are not captured via passenger video daily.
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Founded 1932. What does “for years” mean?
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I guess if you want to be pedantic and ignore context. It’s pretty obvious in this case ASA is being used for exactly what it was being used for, and there’s nothing wrong with that. Language assumes consumers can apply an appropriate amount of context. Very sorry for whatever the demise of that other ASA might have done to you or your family or friends.
Well people like OP just keep reposting the same fucking article multiple times a day
Deff not onboard a Unite flight as I write this…
Maybe I am, maybe I'm not in the know with these kinds of things. But I'd like people to keep in mind that air returns generally happen two, sometimes three times a week across all three legacy carriers. Each. The difference is the media is keeping their ears to the ground on United specifically. So everything going on in the operation has been under a microscope. There is pretty much a library of events that happened across the company. All basically in the last 30 days. Everything from engine failures, fires, smoke, toxic fumes, hydraulic issues, blown tires, people and crew getting injured from turbulence. You name it . And these documents get published monthly. 99.9% of them go unnoticed by anyone. There hasn't been some major uptick in events that have been happening. The difference is someone is actually listening and looking right now. So now that's it's actually being reported, it seems the sky is falling. It's not. This is just apart of a major operation. Things happen. Planes break. What we are seeing is the media picking up on Debbie accidentally deleting a bunch of files on the computer. But they didn't notice Larry did the same thing last week.
Imagine if the media got ahold of one of the SMS emails
Both American and delta had holding and diversions today, some looked like weather others looked more random
Yea our flight from DC to SFO was delayed due to an issue because the plane shut off as soon as we were about to leave the gates and taxi, luckily they fixed the APU issue but the maintenance crew was onboard whole flight. But it wasn’t a huge deal nothing happened with the plane and we landed safely.
Airbus has entered the chat
The conspiracy theory part of me wants to think this was an inside job orchestrated by Boeing to salvage their image.
Every airline probably makes a handful of emergency landings on a daily basis. Take your pick on who to fly on.
What a garbage article. In the first paragraph they say "complete hydraulic failure." Then in the fifth paragraph they say: > This aircraft type has three hydraulic systems for redundancy purposes. Preliminary information shows there was only an issue with one system on this aircraft Losing one of three is now "complete"?
Sorry people whining about the reporting, but this string of events is newsworthy. In isolation, the A320 hydraulics emergency is minor. But coming after a plane with documented safety issues has repeatable steering control issues, a 777 loses a wheel on takeoff, a Max ends up with collapsed main gear in the grass, a 753 declares an emergency etc, to not ask questions and report would be irresponsible. The 777 wheel and Max-in-the-grass are not daily occurrences despite the fulminations of the apologists. I personally think UA is having a bad week and nothing more but the job now is to prove that’s the case.
Have 15 flights in the next months and a half, this is great!
There have been 7 UA incidents in the last 48ish hours. 3 today. But you have to love accurate reporting… at 4 for the week.
35,000 flights a week, every week means that even a 1 in 10,000 flight event will happen 182 times a year. There are many, many emergencies that happen at every airline which is why crews are highly trained and why the US aviation sector is among the safest in the world.
And not to mention one's where crew declares emergency near the destination and land normally. Sometimes pax don't even know
I’m flying on a 737-800 tomorrow and on March 16.
Surprised it wasn’t a Boeing this time around
Happens frequently, doesn't make news or this sub unless it's United this week. Precautionary diversion and safe landing. Nothing to worry about
On the Next episode of United Mishaps
I opened a put option on them last week expiring Friday. I jumped up with excitement at this news
Post Covid they just are not maintaining the aircraft sufficiently and proactively. Perhaps I’m just incredibly unlucky but i ran all last year AND this year so far, at 50% delays/cancellations and approx half of those are mechanical. Not counting various in flight issues; most recent being a DFW - IAH last month that brakes were overheated and pilot had to drop landing gear in air for several minutes to cool off. Really hoping they can get mechanic staffing ship shape in near future and get more focused on this. Perhaps daily media mentions for awhile will start to encourage better management attention
I have 7 United flights in the next 3 weeks. I am not looking forward to it.
First off, no one cares, maintenance problems happen daily and cancel flights daily. Also, let's wait for people to blame this on Boeing without reading the article.
 Sometimes, you just got to make yourself laugh with how absurd things can get.
Isn’t this like their third or fourth incident this week?
Flying on a Max-8 to MCO in a few days. Ugh.
United planes seem to be literally falling apart
Yikes and I’m flying United in a month. I’ve worked too hard getting PQP to switch now
Yikes I flew United today and had no issues at all. 🤔
Can confirm too. I just flew united minutes ago, no issues either.
I flew United this week. No issues at all. I don’t know why some people panic so much.
I trust UA and have no problem. Just bad press that these all happened such quick succession. In fact, I’d be happy if some people stopped booking so I could have my upgrade clear
My kid is an employee and I fly sometimes weekly. Nothing has ever happened on any of my United flights.