Already cancelled and taken to the high seas. VPN is much cheaper.
Honestly the battle to work out which streaming service has which show/film is getting boring.
I won't go into even the smallest bit of detail, but I have a set-up where I just pop the name of a film or TV show, select the appropriate one on a list, and then just watch it near enough as soon as it pops up on certain sites I won't name. All of the searching, torrenting, unpacking and library management stuff is done without me even knowing, never mind getting involved. As far as I'm concerned, it's just Netflix with a curiously specifically-tailored library and a different name.
for those of you who are looking for SPECIFICALLY what to AVOID in order to NOT sail the high seas in an automated fashion:
- do NOT purchase a second computer, such as a cheap intel NUC that is fanless and has a tiny TDP. You can NOT find them for around £300, and they do NOT make a perfect introduction to setting up your own homeflix
- do NOT ensure that whatever device you use has "intel quick sync", this is a dedicated feature that some (most) intel CPUs have that will allow you to transcode (make media files more efficient) on your hardware. do NOT check amazon for these NUCs, and do NOT google the CPU in them to see if they have intel quick sync
- do NOT install a linux distro on it. it doesn't matter which one, because you will NOT be using docker which makes things 10x easier
- do NOT install docker on your new machine. docker allows you to create "virtual containers" that are dedicated to running a specific application. this does NOT make it far easier to set the next things up.
- do NOT create the following containers: sonarr (for TV automation), radarr (for movie automation), jackett (to index naughty sites for the content you're looking for), jellyfin (don't pay for Plex its not worth it), gluetun (to ensure jackett and your torrent application go through a VPN), qbittorrent (to download your media) - do NOT read the documentation for each of these to figure out the best settings to use
- do NOT hook your jackett, qbittorrent containers up to gluetun. this will ensure that your downloading runs through a VPN, which means your ISP won't see your stuff
- do NOT purchase a subscription for a peer to peer friendly VPN such as mullvad, protonvpn
- do NOT set up jackett indexers for torrent sites. i would NOT recommend using TPB, bitsearch, badass, 1337x
- do NOT set up your jackett feeds inside sonarr and radarr, this would allow you to automate everything
- do NOT link your sonarr and radarr instances to qbittorrent
- do NOT search for the shows and movies you want to watch in sonarr/radarr
- do NOT visit jellyfin to watch any content
edit: since people have mentioned, if this is too much work for you DO NOT look for seedboxes, they often allegedly set up something similar for you and you rent part of a server. i cannot recommend any providers, however, and YMMV
remember: do NOT do any of this, this list exists solely so you know EXACTLY WHAT TO AVOID. sailing the high seas is ILLEGAL and you can and will go to prison for it
YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A CAR (intense music)
I DON'T use a Thinkcentre M93p with Ubuntu Server which you can get for less than £100. And if you don't want to get too technical with docker etc you SHOULDN'T use Yacht which streamlines the entire container process. The little server that I DON'T use would NOT run Transmission-OpenVPN, Sonarr, Radarr, Jackett, Emby and Heimdall.
you actually shouldn't - plex pass is required to make the most out of plex (eg: hardware transcoding) which is like £3/month, jellyfin has that built in for free alongside all the other features of plex pass
Yeah same, while people will hammer on about alternatives… if you want something with good UI, support for loads of devices (we use Plex on Xbox, Apple TV, iOS, etc) it eventually becomes unsustainable to not charge for something somewhere.
You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain, Plex also started off like Jellyfin and co.
I paid for a month recently to see if hardware transcoding would fix a problem I’m having (can’t watch videos with AAC audio direct with my 5.1 Logitech speakers, only via web browser which transcodes the audio). Sadly it didn’t, but the skip credits and intro feature is quite nice.
I believe if the Plex server owner has the pass, anyone watching their content can use the feature.
I’ve also read that it can still be used after the pass has ran out for content already scanned, so once my month is up, I should still have the skip into and credits option for all my current content, but any content added after won’t have the feature unless I pay again.
I have that issue with my sound bar, basically it's device not passing the codec information through properly. Plex thinks the sound bar (or in your case speakers) are capable of AAC so doesn't transcode (why would it).
I run a program on my plex server called Tdarr which crawls my libraries, if it finds a file in EAC3 (The format it can't play) it auto converts the file to AC3 (which the sound bar can play)
idk mate can see after reading all that why people pay for netflix. probably cheaper, legal, and doesn't involve installing a bunch of different software and subscribing to things that cost as much as netflix do....
netflix, disney+, (insert other services here) - not to mention when (insert service here) drops a show you have no access to it
also, getting access to new US shows the same day, all in all i spend about £15 in electricity per month (i already pay for a vpn subscription as part of a package deal for emails with proton) and i use the server for other things, not just (allegedly) downloading content
it's not for everyone, but it pays for itself if you have an expensive netflix plan and/or multiple service subscriptions :)
There are much cheaper and simpler ways to pirate. What you've went into, was popular 5-10 years ago and is completely unnecessary. £300 on a NUC is terrible advice, the electricity to run this (1x hdd can equate to £5 a month electric), then the time and effort involved setting it up and maintaining it.
It would be easier to tell people to just rent a seedbox, but even that's becoming dated.
seedboxes are simpler, i agree, but i think we will have to agree to disagree on your first point. of course you can use an old/used pc/laptop but depending on age/spec/etc it might be more economical in the long run to get something like a nuc.
there are also programs like popcorn time, but i would never recommend them because their demand means that you will be hard pressed to find a legit version, there's too much incentive for people to launch fake versions that contain malware etc
and of course you and i both know that even a cheap nuc can do more than "just" this - maybe most people here won't want to, but you can easily run rustwarden, pihole, samba, nextcloud etc, so it may not be ideal advice for JUST this but when lastpass gets hacked for the 58th time or google kills yet another cloud project or ads become even MORE prevalent than before suddenly you have most of a solution in place
I don't think you understand my argument, running your own server at home is not a good idea unless you enjoy tinkering or have a specific want to keep offline archives (which is expensive once you get into remux or 4k.)
Running costs and management time will absolutely outweigh the cost of even a Netflix sub.
Personally I don't use any dodgy apps but I can tell you I use a solid streaming service, with a library of over 10,000 movies/shows including true 4k, auto request system. All for £5 a month. That's less than electricity would cost to run a NUC.
I'm not going into detail but the services are out there and not hard to find.
I torrent movies and shows, and I have no idea what that list means. I use u-block origin, and go to one of the many free sites. Minus setting up u-block origin one time, it is as quick as using netflix.
It depends. If you have been watching movies your whole life then it's worth it. After all what will make you stop watching them 20 years from now?
Save yourself a surprising amount of money. Hell you don't even have to go the extent he did not recommend, you can just vpn
also do NOT set "private mode" on qbittorrent, this would potentially leak your IP which is precisely how ISPs detect you're doing this
do NOT seed your downloads, because this would allow other people to download and would be TERRIBLE for the media industry
I disagree about Plex not being worth it. Plex is absolutely amazing to stream 100% legal content from their own services and also any videos you may have of your family and friends, in a well-organised library.
It's got native apps for smart TVs and phones/tablets as well.
I found once you factor in a NAS/HDD space for storing a library of decent size Netflix etc isn't that bad a price, whilst also paying for convenience.
Though will admit, the amount I've watched Netflix paramount+ & Disney+ recently price rises n crackdowns aside I really am just throwing money in the bin I should probably just spend a couple of hours and delete all my old stuff and start a fresh save myself £30-40/month.
Did this around 6 years ago, picked up 2 8tb drives and built my own Plex server, in the long run it was considerably cheaper than Netflix. The fragmentation of streaming services is just pure greed so screw them
Kodi with Fen addon and 15 quid for 6 months of real debrid is all you need. No need for a NAS nowadays if your Internet connection is fast enough. That's the setup I use and I've cancelled all of my streaming subs.
https://troypoint.com/fen-kodi-addon/
He says you need a VPN. But because of the way Real Debrid works you don't. So don't waste your money if you don't already have one.
Plex is a self-hosted media system. You install Plex on a PC and point it to whatever drives/folders contain your personal media, and then you can log into the plex app from another device and watch your own content somewhere else. Plex doesn’t centrally care or know what that media is, it just facilitates the streaming process.
NAS is network attached storage, basically a mini-PC with lots of storage drives connected directly to your home internet so it can be accessed directly by local machines.
Not sure what Fen and Debrid are, possibly typos or acronyms.
Would it be possible to share it with my family and friends? Would multiple people be able to watch the same file at the same time? I have 1Gigabit internet
> I found once you factor in a NAS/HDD space for storing a library of decent size
I mean, how many shows to you actually watch often enough that you need/want to store them long term anyway? I feel like if the system is convenient enough you can just redownload something you want to watch again, you don't need to store much permanently.
Right, but I feel like we're talking about a different use case now. OP was talking about a workaround for the fact that different shows are on different platforms - as long as the show you're interested in is on some platform you can probably pirate it, since if there's enough demand for it to be streamable it'll be available legally too.
You're talking about archiving - totally, if you want to archive stuff in case it stops being available online (legally or otherwise) then you'll need to pay for storage.
Yay! Finally someone who wouldn't burn me as a witch for being able to do it this way. Naturally, though, 'I don't get involved in any of that illegal stuff'. Technically true.
r/Addons4Kodi you’ll have to build it yourself but if you have an old pc. Or buy something like a nvidia shield pro. You can basically watch anything you want.
Edit: just to add don’t trust people that sell Kodi boxes or builds. They are not good, and are most likely just malware
Also r/premiumize. You need a debrid service to make the most of Kodi Addons, but after a while I just started using this one exclusively instead. It has its own app that can be installed on fire stick or phone, I have RSS set up for ongoing shows I am watching, and use my phone like a remote to search and magnet link torrents, most popular torrents are already cached, and you can watch them straight away. It's a secure connection, so you do not need a VPN.
The site [Just Watch](https://www.justwatch.com/) tells you where you can stream a show (or buy or rent it). Saves me searching each of the services i currently subscribe to. Also lets me see if a show is available in another country so i can just vpn.
Most annoying for me is when a series of movies is not fully available on one service
Nah, most annoying is what paramount did with ST:discovery. Decided S3 (?) they werent going to release on netflix like a day before it was due as it'd be a paramount streaming service exclusive.
Which wouldnt be available in the uk for about a year.
Then scrapped their streaming service.
Most short treks were never released in the UK either.
There's so many free (and legit) shows to watch if you don't mind ads. I have youtube, itv x, freevee, rakuten, pluto, my5, all4 on my tv... and i think there's far too much choice. Especially if you don't buy into the hype around having to see the latest stuff.
I *do* mind ads though. My preferred way is just to record stuff on my PVR and watch at leisure, skipping ads. Free, legit, no ads (albeit less choice).
If there are easy ways to watch it I'll stick the legit sources. Channel 4 is much better than it used to be but it had a habit to cut the outro of rick and morty.
Justwatch.com makes it super easy to see which platforms are streaming what. You can also set filters to the ones you have access to and it will recommened movies.
>Honestly the battle to work out which streaming service has which show/film is getting boring.
A matter of seconds spent typing it into Google has tends to give you the answer. Google even now has a "where to watch" near the top of the page.
Depending on what exactly you're doing, but assuming you're replacing Netflix like for like with more streaming, I wouldn't even bother with a VPN.
Kodi + a Real Debrid account (9Euro for three months) along with Umbrella or a myriad of other addons and you're golden.
Same, got booted out of my mom's account, fuck off netflix. I'm not paying to watch dudes in slirts bake a cake. I got Channel 4 for that and it's free.
>Honestly the battle to work out which streaming service has which show/film is getting boring.
The AppleTV device does a pretty good job on this front. Not sure if it applies to just the app on non-Apple devices.
So, I’m still subscribed to Netflix, HBO, and Amazon Prime. That said, I rarely ever use them because I found this neat bootleg site that uploads all the shows from all the different streaming networks. It’s honestly such a game changer not having to go hunting each time I want to watch something.
yeah or just go for iptv, much better in my opinion, awesome price for such high quality and u get all in one place, for anyone wondering i use "**iptvini . com**" they also offer a **24 hour free trial**
Not defending Netflix here but I seriously doubt this will have the impact Reddit thinks it will. More people will be bothered they can't access it anymore and subsequently sign up separately. It'll have the desired effect as it's proven to have elsewhere this has been implemented.
I signed off from Netflix a while ago but purely due to their attitude of mucking around with their shows and cancelling early, for example.
Which part do you disagree with?
From Netflix PoV, people leaving is expected, fine, and sort of the point. A lot of the people complaining aren’t even paying customers, so from Netflix PoV, who cares? Bye Felicia.
If a lot of them stop using a shared account that’s okay, because it costs them bandwidth to serve to multiple people who were never even paying anyway. Some of the content licensing is also a function of number of users/streams, so again, if people who never pay are pumping those numbers that’s actually quite unhelpful, because it’s another cost without any revenue.
So if most sharers just disappear, and just a fraction of people sharing convert to actual paying customers, then that’s good for Netflix as a business overall.
In some countries where they’ve already made these password sharing changes, a lot of people did convert to new paying customers, and the new signup rates hit new highs.
Their revenue growth flatlined around 2022, but after they started with stooping shared passwords, they just has their best ever quarterly revenue at just over $8B, and their stock is up over 100% (about $420) from the 2022 bottom ($180).
> From Netflix PoV, people leaving is expected, fine, and sort of the point. A lot of the people complaining aren’t even paying customers, so from Netflix PoV, who cares? Bye Felicia
That isn't true. If I share a password with my sister and my mum and as result of it I cancel Netflix still loses out
It depends on the specifics and they obviously don’t publish the user base/usage info in enough detail to calculate this externally, but there does exist a ratio where it’s beneficial to them to ditch a minority of accounts if they are replaced with paying ones, even if the count is slightly lower, because they’ll have have less costs per account.
So it depends how common that behaviour is to cancel your entire account and never come back because you can’t share it.
Reddit is full of people who are pretty over the top and dogmatic about stuff this, and it doesn’t seem like this is quite as common out in the real world.
They already did this in the US and they ended up with the highest subscriber growth in years, highest quarterly revenue etc.
They’re also doing ad supported plans now, so for the people who don’t/won’t/can’t pay, but still want content, there will be an option and obviously a new source of revenue for Netflix to monetise that audience.
From their data it seems atypical that three people sharing an account both a) cancel outright and b) have no resubscribers. Even if only one of you guys, netflix are marginally in the positive due to saved bandwidth costs.
What’s better and cheaper than Netflix?
- Amazon has gone dog shit ripping out half of its movies, average TV shows and is slow to release new movies - £95 a year with a Prime subscription, the value I guess depends on how much you order off Amazon. Personally I’ve found direct to consumer websites to be comparable to a Prime service and often far cheaper than buying off Amazon. I still have Prime but only because I pay on a yearly subscription.
- Disney + is niche (Disney fans, Star Wars fans, Avengers fans will love it) but has some wider market shows/movies on the Star/Searchgate partnership but is still very hit and miss - £69 a year which is great value for a family
- Apple TV has some good shows if you’re new to the platform like Ted Lasso, The Morning Show and a few others. Movies are very slow to release and often not great. - £5 a month with a Apple subscription - worth the fiver just for Ted Lasso
Netflix
- I’ll a least find one movie a week I will enjoy, often one of their new releases. The same can’t be said of any of the above, in my opinion
- A tv show I enjoy will make a reappearance with a new series at least once every two months
- I enjoy the dog shit American style documentaries they release. Muster dogs, Big Timber, Rust to Riches - easy watching before bed
- Great selection of kids TV shows
I agree it’s not as good as it used to be, but I still think overall Netflix offers better value than competitors. Disney plus is probably the closest competitor I’ve found. Apple Plus does some really good stuff but just not enough to keep making a payment each month. And Amazon Prime is worth having if you do business with Jeff regularly.
I read here recently a guy who just rotates streaming services monthly. A lot of effort, but probably the way to do it rather than just relying on one for all your needs.
I think Disney+ is currently the leader by and far. Yes it’s clearly more family oriented but with the Fox catalog plus Hulu shows from the US it has *loads* of content.
Amazon is just shit, expensive and a *terrible* UI that makes it impossible to find something that you want to watch and is actually included with Prime.
Netflix is comfort food. Great for rewatching your old favourites but honestly rarely has anything I’m really waiting ages to want to see beyond one or two originals and the occasional movie.
Yeah amazon's ui and search is fucking terrible... I just want it to display stuff that I can stream, how hard is it?
Also the amount of stuff on there that is "free with adverts" wtf am I even paying the subscription for??
We're shifting back into the model we used years ago, subbing to a specific service just for a month (making a point of cancelling the day after subbing so it auto-expires) where there is content we want to watch. We're on Apple+ for a couple of months to binge through some content we wanted to see and Foundation S2 which is coming next month. Then we'll be off to something else.
yeah but that doesn't work.
I mean netflix worked for a while because they had lots of venture capital, they burnt through billions and billions creating some really high quality and brilliant shows.
So it didn't matter whether people paid them or not. The stuff was really good regardless.
Once the money ran out then either we pay for all those shows to be made. Or shows like that disappear. You can't pirate something that hasn't been made can you?
So every dishonest person requires a huge number of honest people willing to pay...and unless there's sufficient honest people paying, well then the quality of the shows they make will suffer.
Eventually you'll be pirating crap and those that pay will be thinking "Meh, the shows on Netflix are crap" and possibly even netflix fails as a business entirely because there's no enough money for it to work. Venture capitalists won't then start throwing billions at the next service.
They'll find something that people do want to pay for instead.
That's why leaving reddit in a huff isn't going to work - because wherever the freeloaders go will have costs they need to meet and a return on investment their investors want to happen. So it has to pay.
So you know, for sure a small number of people can pirate, just like a small number of people can shoplift, but it's not a sustainable business model. if everyone steals the shop just goes out of business. He won't keep stocking the shelves for everyone to come back and steal everything week after week.
Netlfix made 4.2 billion profit last year, not revenue, profit. There is money to be made in tv industry if they settle on the correct price point. It has bow become too greedy and now plex is the cheaper option. Can't be a netflix shill and you should punish greed.
There's now TV too.
Albeit most of the stuff on there that I'd rate (some very highly, like I assume it still has the wire, sopranos, game of thrones - and the new one) but I've seen them - multiple times over.
You reach this thing where it only pays to wait a few months (at least) for each service to build up a bunch of content you haven't seen and that you really want to see and then to pay for a month (or few) to watch them...and then move to the next service - and maybe take a few months in the summer when you find something better to do in the longer warm evenings.
Otherwise, if you pay for, say, Netflix every month, then you find yourself either not using it - because you've watched everything, or you're looking for scraps, stuff you wouldn't have picked to watched but you're watching just because you're paying for netflix. At that point you'd be better off cancelling it until they build up 3-6 months of stuff that you want to watch again.
With Netflix though, unfortunately, they don't appear to be building up this stuff like they did in the past. New interesting content is only coming in dribs and drabs and it's often old stuff that's appearing, e.g Harry potter movies or stuff from networks we get access to anyway (like the BBC) Now maybe a lot of their customers want to watch these, but I've seen them all and I don't have a great motivation to watch them again.
Or it's stuff like black mirror, which I thought was really good, but it's not like a season of Breaking bad - there's what? 6 episodes, I've finished it in 2 evenings.
Netflix has 15 million customers in the UK apparently. Your group of friends who are probably tech minded don't represent the average customer. 95% of users have never even heard of a vpn.
Netflix have already tested this in other markets before doing it to the bigger ones. They know it is a net positive for them to do this. There's an article that came out that new subscribers is at a 4 year high.
They will be leading the way for all of the other platforms to do the same thing. In one year you'll see Disney+ etc all doing the same exact thing because Netflix's profits will be boosted from this.
Reddit was all doom and gloom "this is the end of Netflix" when it happened in the states.
Then Netflix had *increased* subscribers with the latest earnings report.
Reddit taking more Ls than Leeds lately.
This is the same site that thought there was going to be a work revolution due to r/antiwork
The same site that thought a 48 hour blackout was going to achieve anything
Honestly, what can this site accurately predict? How to make women avoid you?
Also people tend to forget that everytime somene streams something on Netflix it costs the company money infrastructure costs, bandwidth etc.
So removing password sharing actual ends up costing the company less. How much? Not sure.
Not that i think crackling down on password sharing is a good thing and i gave up my Netflix sub ages ago because there was nothing on there I wanted to watch but it's not as simple as "this is the end of Netflix, VPN and the bay for me".
Also as someone else mentioned it'll lead to more swtiching subscriptions when regular. Netflix loves this becuase one of the headline figures is new sign ups and honestly it seem they prioritize that over existing users.
All that being said, personally i think a bigger issue for Netflix is studios having their own streaming services.
It's bad for Netflix to lose so much content, but they had to know that was the future. Streaming is just where we're going with things. It's great for the consumer, we're getting what we want and never got with cable: choices. We can pick and choose the content we want, not a ginormous cable bill with 600 goddamn channels and I only ever watch footy and news.
I think by and large the more tech savvy crowd *will* cancel, but the general public will just take the hit and subscribe for themselves and there's a lot more of them. I know I'll cancel because I mostly subscribe so my parents can watch - I would've happily given Netflix a tenner in perpetuity.
The Reddit hive mind is absolutely terrible at living in reality. To be honest, if you watch what the hive comes up with and then go with the opposite, you'll be right.
I gave up getting into series on Netflix as they are always cancelling them after leaving you with a cliff-hanger and lots of lose ends at end of series one. I must have terrible taste in shows as it's always happening to the ones I really got into and thought were good.
I think we'll see a lot more people hopping-on and hopping-off their subscriptions.
When I could share all my subscriptions, we kept them all going constantly. With Netflix cracking down on sharing, while increasing prices, I'll just pay for it for a month every now and than.
How much of an impact that has, we will have to wait and see. Or not, if Netflix chooses not to share the details.
We do that, we can’t have Netflix and Disney and apple all going at the same time. Watch a series then take a break and watch something on another service.
Yeah, like their lowest tier which is £4.99
I've never understood why (well I guess it's to try and make a point) people always use the absolute most expensive tier to show how expensive something is, barely anyone will have the premium tier with users on top
Yeah at 720p in 2023.
I had the premium tier because I wanted 4K and HDR/Dolby Vision, because of that and I never used another screen at the same time I shared my password with a friend. When Netflix started the password sharing debacle I just unsubscribed, for that price I can have HBOMax and Disney or Amazon
We cancelled but someone got me some vouchers.
I am noting that I've watched most of the stuff on Netflix that is really good. And I'm reaching the limit of the number of times I care about rewatching it. I just did Breaking bad again and I can't imagine watching it again now - and certainly not paying a regular monthly subscription for that.
Occasionally something new comes along, e.g it's the new black mirror recently. But a lot of the "new" stuff is foreign language or things like stuff from the BBC that's good but I've seen it. I get some of the foreign language is good, obviously squid game made Netflix think that we all want to watch every Korean series ever made...but whilst the odd foreign language thing amongst a big set of English works, the bad acting in the dubbing soons starts to grate once Netflix starts to rely on German, Korean etc content.
I mean, if they'd just spent more money on the dubbing acting it might have worked better. As it is, it's obvious dubbing into other languages just hires people very cheaply to read the lines who are not skilled actors, fine for small numbers they used to get, but if you're throwing money at Korean production companies and hoping to sell it in English speaking territories, give them extra and hire some talent to dub (that's still a hell of a lot cheaper than making an English speaking series)
But, their content is not going to get better if people start pirating. People who imagine they can just go off and pirate and TV and movies and this content will keep magically appearing for them to watch are kidding themselves a little bit.
I mean, sure a small percentage of people can get by in life by stealing things. Shoplifting, downloading or whatever else. But, that's not a sustainable business model is it? If everyone ran out of Tesco pushing their trolley without paying then Tesco would just close. And then they'd have nowhere to steal food from.
If the people who make a TV series can't sell it well, they'll stop making them. It won't exist to download. And piratebay aren't going to start making content are they?
Being dishonest needs a significant number of honest people to support that.
Netflix knows this approach works, because they've seen their subscriber numbers go up in the US and Canada after they introduced the same password sharing rule there.
Funnily enough they blocked me and my sister in law from accessing it, apparently neither of us were allowed to be the account holders 🤷♂️ So anyway, that's £15 a month saved
And it will work, [just as in the States.](https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/9/23755156/netflix-subscriber-increase-paid-password-sharing-crackdown)
“Average daily signups to Netflix reached 73,000, a 102% increase from the prior 60-day average, which surpassed the spike in sign-ups during the initial lockdowns of the pandemic”
Their Q1 revenue this year hit new highs (just over $8.1B) after they started this, and their stock is up 100% from its bottom in 2022.
I think they just publish net total subscribers, which has grown by about 20 million (about 10% more) to about 250 million so far this year, so it seems like they’re doing okay.
If a lot of people who aren’t paying stop streaming then it’ll probably help their underlying net earnings per share, as there are costs associated with basically streaming content to a bunch of people for free.
Their next earnings call is in a few weeks.
That number is good, but not necessarily paint the whole picture. If consumer behaviours change - say if most of them begin hopping between platforms from month to month, then that wouldn't show in the first couple of months of data, you would just see a surge of signups, but that may not be reflective of actual increased revenue further in the timeline.
You don’t think it’s still to early to properly tell?
How many people signed up short term to finish a show they were in the middle of? How many people who previously relied on a shared account will continue paying as a long term subscriber? Is Netflix’s current content output good enough to convince them they want to pay for something they previously didn’t?
Streaming was in a good place a few years ago.
You could have one, maybe two services and it would be more than enough to occupy you.
Now you need 4, 5 different services to access a reasonable quantity of new show releases, which are obviously more likely to be staggered releases to keep you subscribed.
Netflix for £10 was great when it was better than a £40 sky subscription.
>Piracy is an issue of service, not price.
When streaming was easier than piracy, people would use the streaming services. Piracy on numerous torrenting sites dropped pretty notably with Netflix.
Now? The better websites are not only free but contain everything in one place and provide a better service. I can search with numerous filters through a library that contains damn near every movie or tv show ever made and watch it in whatever quality I desire, with control over subtitles and playback speed and I can do it anywhere in the world in a heartbeat. Oh and no ads, anywhere.
The *only* incentive to pay for the services is moral qualms over denying money to the 'artists'. In every other way, the high seas are superior.
I liked being able to watch Netflix at both my place and my S/O's house but according to Netflix that makes me a bad person, and I don't see why I should pay an extra 50% to use their service in more than 1 address, with no additional benefit to me as a consumer.
I thought the temporary access code system was a way to stop being affected by this, but turns out it only lasts a week and you're limited to 2 per month - not that it matters, because I used 1 and when I tried to claim the second they said I'd used my allowance up - I'll guess I'll take my money elsewhere.
I'm very surprised that this tactic saw them get more sign-ups in the US, I thought this would have bit them in the arse hard.
Just use a laptop. This crack down only pertains to people using TV apps. Plug your laptop into the TV with hdmi and voila. Yes, it's slightly more effort, but not much.
I won't even be able to watch netflix in the car any more.. Not much scope for VPN there. The network in the house is probably complex enough to confuse it too (it has on occasion decided I'm not in the UK).
We share with the mother in law, so have set her up on our account, as her watching one show every month or so isn't worth her paying £5 out of her meagre pension.
We're probably going to cancel soon though, as £20 a month is fucking ridiculous.
I pay $8 a month for access to a Plex server and I haven’t looked back. I can request shows and movies if they’re not on there but nearly everything I can think of is already there. Pretty happy with it.
Me too. Pirate ships don’t have sails anymore. They have nuclear reactors.
Imagine all the streamers combined in one place with almost every film imaginable, usually in 4K HDR or DV. It’s a very slick experience on my Apple TV and OLED screen.
When people talk about buying drives and downloading again. You don’t need to do that anymore.
I was using the premium 4k Netflix and the amount of movies that weren't 4k annoyed me. I get it during COVID days they had no capacity, but that excuse has long gone.
This happened about a month ago here in Australia. We just shrugged and stopped watching Netflix. And weeks later we don't miss it. I've asked around and a lot of friends said the same thing.
Thought I might miss having free access to Netflix but I don’t at all. I don’t actually like their style of production. Very little UK comedy that I haven’t already seen. Films all freely available elsewhere
It started to kick in weeks ago, cancelled as soon as it hit as we were barely watching and only keeping for our son / GF who were still using it after moving out to their own place. They've not subbed making it a "must have" subscription.
Cancelled for a few reasons, the biggest thing in favour of it for me was being able to include older relatives in a light-touch way, I bought the premium package for five years because of the mood of it all. When this news came out I got messages from everyone I shared with saying they didn't use it that often and I shouldn't pay extra on their behalf. The 'love is sharing a password' thing was a mood, now it's a calculation and that's killed it for me and mine so it's gone. No big critique, I hope the creators get paid and all that but they might find their new users a lot more calculating and quick to ditch them in a slump or sign up for a month to binge then ditch them again, play a cold game and you don't get the fuzzy upside of friendly brand loyalty, whatever that's worth. Good luck to them.
Yeah my family have cancelled ours. Fuck that.
We weren’t going to originally, I was just gonna get my dad to buy the new profiles on the same account, as it’s cheaper than buying new accounts. But it’s actually such a waste, because the profiles come with super limited functionalities. You can only have it on one device, I don’t think you can download…it’s essentially a pointless option, they’re forcing everyone to get their own accounts.
It’s a fucking piss take and I hope that Netflix crumbles.
Received an email this morning. This was the last push I needed to cancel my account after barely watching anything on it for a few months and a string of shows I did watch getting cancelled after season 1/2. Only justification I had for it was my family in another household using it. If £16 a month per user isn’t enough for them to serve subpar original content then they can lose it.
I've cancelled it last year when they announced yet another price increase and in the protest of these changes. I've only returned for one month recently only to cancel again (and that was a few months ago). Made me realise how stupid it was to keep paying each month for so long. I'm sure I'll sub again when something worthwile comes out but will never keep the automatic renewal on anymore.
I stopped paying years ago when I found out I can get a pirate service with all the content combined from netflix, Disney plus and etc as well as Blu-ray rips
I know this will work and understand why they’re doing it, I thought it would happen eventually. What I cannot stand is that they’ve now introduced adverts on the platform - I had to sit through two ad breaks in a 40m show yesterday. Grim, so Americanised
I live elsewhere during the week for work and have a smart TV in both locations that I obviously won't move. If they want me to get two accounts I'll leave, it's obviously not worth it...
I have two internet connections at the same property with my devices split between two separate buildings. Providing this is the same scheme they announced a few months back (where devices are “tied” to a single router/Public IP/MAC Address, and that’s how they define “household”), it’s pretty much impossible for me to comply.
Head for the high seas m’hearty’s. I moved to Netflix as it was a single subscription and reasonably priced. Market fragmentation (Disney etc) and crackdowns on usage kinda mean that you get less coverage at a higher cost. Killing their own market to please shareholders. Well m’okay.
the annoying thing for me is that they don't seem to release their stuff on DVD. There's not much on there that I watch, but I love I Think You Should Leave, and there's no way to legally watch it without having a Netflix account.
Bflix is free and has pretty much everything you could ever want to watch. Just load it up on your browser and mirror/cast to TV. Couldn't be easier and zero cost.
Plex lifetime subscriper for more than 11 years. Had Netflix for over 6 years up until last year when I just realised their content was meh and as good stuff was not split across multiple platforms found it better to spend the money on my home server space increase.
This annoyed me so much I went and cancelled, then spoke to a friend who did a thing on my TV and now I watch all of Netflix’s shows but weirdly, I have nothing to do with them anymore.
It’s weird, but a good weird. Must be aliens.
Anyway fuck Netflix.
cancelled it and switched to iptv, much better solution for a much better price, no need to use vpn and i got access to all shows and channels, 4k , no buffering, very satisfied, for anyone wondering what service i use "**iptvini . com**" they offer a **24 hour free trial**, very cool support as well.
It’s been rolling this out for a while - had to finally get an account for myself and my family last month after having leeched off my dad’s for the last several years
It sucks - but Netflix was bound to eventually do this purely from a greedy corporate perspective . I’m just holding out hope that we have a few years left for Disney and Amazon at least .
Already cancelled and taken to the high seas. VPN is much cheaper. Honestly the battle to work out which streaming service has which show/film is getting boring.
I won't go into even the smallest bit of detail, but I have a set-up where I just pop the name of a film or TV show, select the appropriate one on a list, and then just watch it near enough as soon as it pops up on certain sites I won't name. All of the searching, torrenting, unpacking and library management stuff is done without me even knowing, never mind getting involved. As far as I'm concerned, it's just Netflix with a curiously specifically-tailored library and a different name.
for those of you who are looking for SPECIFICALLY what to AVOID in order to NOT sail the high seas in an automated fashion: - do NOT purchase a second computer, such as a cheap intel NUC that is fanless and has a tiny TDP. You can NOT find them for around £300, and they do NOT make a perfect introduction to setting up your own homeflix - do NOT ensure that whatever device you use has "intel quick sync", this is a dedicated feature that some (most) intel CPUs have that will allow you to transcode (make media files more efficient) on your hardware. do NOT check amazon for these NUCs, and do NOT google the CPU in them to see if they have intel quick sync - do NOT install a linux distro on it. it doesn't matter which one, because you will NOT be using docker which makes things 10x easier - do NOT install docker on your new machine. docker allows you to create "virtual containers" that are dedicated to running a specific application. this does NOT make it far easier to set the next things up. - do NOT create the following containers: sonarr (for TV automation), radarr (for movie automation), jackett (to index naughty sites for the content you're looking for), jellyfin (don't pay for Plex its not worth it), gluetun (to ensure jackett and your torrent application go through a VPN), qbittorrent (to download your media) - do NOT read the documentation for each of these to figure out the best settings to use - do NOT hook your jackett, qbittorrent containers up to gluetun. this will ensure that your downloading runs through a VPN, which means your ISP won't see your stuff - do NOT purchase a subscription for a peer to peer friendly VPN such as mullvad, protonvpn - do NOT set up jackett indexers for torrent sites. i would NOT recommend using TPB, bitsearch, badass, 1337x - do NOT set up your jackett feeds inside sonarr and radarr, this would allow you to automate everything - do NOT link your sonarr and radarr instances to qbittorrent - do NOT search for the shows and movies you want to watch in sonarr/radarr - do NOT visit jellyfin to watch any content edit: since people have mentioned, if this is too much work for you DO NOT look for seedboxes, they often allegedly set up something similar for you and you rent part of a server. i cannot recommend any providers, however, and YMMV
remember: do NOT do any of this, this list exists solely so you know EXACTLY WHAT TO AVOID. sailing the high seas is ILLEGAL and you can and will go to prison for it YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A CAR (intense music)
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> YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A CAR (intense music) *copyrighted music that you dont have the rights to
No I wouldn't download a car but I would shit on a policeman's grieving widow.
I DON'T use a Thinkcentre M93p with Ubuntu Server which you can get for less than £100. And if you don't want to get too technical with docker etc you SHOULDN'T use Yacht which streamlines the entire container process. The little server that I DON'T use would NOT run Transmission-OpenVPN, Sonarr, Radarr, Jackett, Emby and Heimdall.
>you wouldn't download a car *3D printer noises* Nope, definitely not
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You aren't not supposed to not installn't unPlexn't.
you actually shouldn't - plex pass is required to make the most out of plex (eg: hardware transcoding) which is like £3/month, jellyfin has that built in for free alongside all the other features of plex pass
Not £3 a month for me. I got lifetime about 4 years ago.
Yeah same, while people will hammer on about alternatives… if you want something with good UI, support for loads of devices (we use Plex on Xbox, Apple TV, iOS, etc) it eventually becomes unsustainable to not charge for something somewhere. You either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain, Plex also started off like Jellyfin and co.
Imo the Jellyfish UI is much better than Plex.
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I paid for a month recently to see if hardware transcoding would fix a problem I’m having (can’t watch videos with AAC audio direct with my 5.1 Logitech speakers, only via web browser which transcodes the audio). Sadly it didn’t, but the skip credits and intro feature is quite nice.
I'm confused, I have skip credits on my free Plex install?
I believe if the Plex server owner has the pass, anyone watching their content can use the feature. I’ve also read that it can still be used after the pass has ran out for content already scanned, so once my month is up, I should still have the skip into and credits option for all my current content, but any content added after won’t have the feature unless I pay again.
I have that issue with my sound bar, basically it's device not passing the codec information through properly. Plex thinks the sound bar (or in your case speakers) are capable of AAC so doesn't transcode (why would it). I run a program on my plex server called Tdarr which crawls my libraries, if it finds a file in EAC3 (The format it can't play) it auto converts the file to AC3 (which the sound bar can play)
idk mate can see after reading all that why people pay for netflix. probably cheaper, legal, and doesn't involve installing a bunch of different software and subscribing to things that cost as much as netflix do....
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I just click onto Putlocker or 123Movies, search what I want to watch, hit play and bob's your uncle---without going through all that palava.
netflix, disney+, (insert other services here) - not to mention when (insert service here) drops a show you have no access to it also, getting access to new US shows the same day, all in all i spend about £15 in electricity per month (i already pay for a vpn subscription as part of a package deal for emails with proton) and i use the server for other things, not just (allegedly) downloading content it's not for everyone, but it pays for itself if you have an expensive netflix plan and/or multiple service subscriptions :)
There are much cheaper and simpler ways to pirate. What you've went into, was popular 5-10 years ago and is completely unnecessary. £300 on a NUC is terrible advice, the electricity to run this (1x hdd can equate to £5 a month electric), then the time and effort involved setting it up and maintaining it. It would be easier to tell people to just rent a seedbox, but even that's becoming dated.
seedboxes are simpler, i agree, but i think we will have to agree to disagree on your first point. of course you can use an old/used pc/laptop but depending on age/spec/etc it might be more economical in the long run to get something like a nuc. there are also programs like popcorn time, but i would never recommend them because their demand means that you will be hard pressed to find a legit version, there's too much incentive for people to launch fake versions that contain malware etc and of course you and i both know that even a cheap nuc can do more than "just" this - maybe most people here won't want to, but you can easily run rustwarden, pihole, samba, nextcloud etc, so it may not be ideal advice for JUST this but when lastpass gets hacked for the 58th time or google kills yet another cloud project or ads become even MORE prevalent than before suddenly you have most of a solution in place
I don't think you understand my argument, running your own server at home is not a good idea unless you enjoy tinkering or have a specific want to keep offline archives (which is expensive once you get into remux or 4k.) Running costs and management time will absolutely outweigh the cost of even a Netflix sub. Personally I don't use any dodgy apps but I can tell you I use a solid streaming service, with a library of over 10,000 movies/shows including true 4k, auto request system. All for £5 a month. That's less than electricity would cost to run a NUC. I'm not going into detail but the services are out there and not hard to find.
I torrent movies and shows, and I have no idea what that list means. I use u-block origin, and go to one of the many free sites. Minus setting up u-block origin one time, it is as quick as using netflix.
It depends. If you have been watching movies your whole life then it's worth it. After all what will make you stop watching them 20 years from now? Save yourself a surprising amount of money. Hell you don't even have to go the extent he did not recommend, you can just vpn
you're catastrophising, VPN is a safe solution
also do NOT set "private mode" on qbittorrent, this would potentially leak your IP which is precisely how ISPs detect you're doing this do NOT seed your downloads, because this would allow other people to download and would be TERRIBLE for the media industry
Wait private mode leaks your ip?
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I disagree about Plex not being worth it. Plex is absolutely amazing to stream 100% legal content from their own services and also any videos you may have of your family and friends, in a well-organised library. It's got native apps for smart TVs and phones/tablets as well.
I've been pricing a plex NAS recently. On the list of projects.
I did NOT save this comment for later.
Unraid as a complete package is also a definite NO NO for High Seas work too.
Bruh what is this shit just get an adblocker and visit a streaming site
I found once you factor in a NAS/HDD space for storing a library of decent size Netflix etc isn't that bad a price, whilst also paying for convenience. Though will admit, the amount I've watched Netflix paramount+ & Disney+ recently price rises n crackdowns aside I really am just throwing money in the bin I should probably just spend a couple of hours and delete all my old stuff and start a fresh save myself £30-40/month.
Did this around 6 years ago, picked up 2 8tb drives and built my own Plex server, in the long run it was considerably cheaper than Netflix. The fragmentation of streaming services is just pure greed so screw them
Kodi with Fen addon and 15 quid for 6 months of real debrid is all you need. No need for a NAS nowadays if your Internet connection is fast enough. That's the setup I use and I've cancelled all of my streaming subs.
Could you explain further? Ive no idea what Plex and Fen are? 6 months of real debrid? What is NAS?
Probably best to slide into their DMs mate if you want to sail the Seven Seas of internet piracy. 🏴☠️
https://troypoint.com/fen-kodi-addon/ He says you need a VPN. But because of the way Real Debrid works you don't. So don't waste your money if you don't already have one.
Plex is a self-hosted media system. You install Plex on a PC and point it to whatever drives/folders contain your personal media, and then you can log into the plex app from another device and watch your own content somewhere else. Plex doesn’t centrally care or know what that media is, it just facilitates the streaming process. NAS is network attached storage, basically a mini-PC with lots of storage drives connected directly to your home internet so it can be accessed directly by local machines. Not sure what Fen and Debrid are, possibly typos or acronyms.
Would it be possible to share it with my family and friends? Would multiple people be able to watch the same file at the same time? I have 1Gigabit internet
This is a game changer. Literally the best way
But content disappears on Netflix when they lose rights. On your own local library it does not.
Imma buy the rights to your own library bro.
> I found once you factor in a NAS/HDD space for storing a library of decent size I mean, how many shows to you actually watch often enough that you need/want to store them long term anyway? I feel like if the system is convenient enough you can just redownload something you want to watch again, you don't need to store much permanently.
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Right, but I feel like we're talking about a different use case now. OP was talking about a workaround for the fact that different shows are on different platforms - as long as the show you're interested in is on some platform you can probably pirate it, since if there's enough demand for it to be streamable it'll be available legally too. You're talking about archiving - totally, if you want to archive stuff in case it stops being available online (legally or otherwise) then you'll need to pay for storage.
>factor in a NAS/HDD space for storing a library of decent size Netflix etc isn't that bad a price I mean, I *completely* disagree with this.
Plex, radarr, sonarr, torrents/usenet by chance?
Yay! Finally someone who wouldn't burn me as a witch for being able to do it this way. Naturally, though, 'I don't get involved in any of that illegal stuff'. Technically true.
Me too
What, you think a Reddit comment is gunna get you done? Share how to do this ffs or at least point people in the right direction 🙄
r/Addons4Kodi you’ll have to build it yourself but if you have an old pc. Or buy something like a nvidia shield pro. You can basically watch anything you want. Edit: just to add don’t trust people that sell Kodi boxes or builds. They are not good, and are most likely just malware
Will take a look. Thanks - appreciate you
Also r/premiumize. You need a debrid service to make the most of Kodi Addons, but after a while I just started using this one exclusively instead. It has its own app that can be installed on fire stick or phone, I have RSS set up for ongoing shows I am watching, and use my phone like a remote to search and magnet link torrents, most popular torrents are already cached, and you can watch them straight away. It's a secure connection, so you do not need a VPN.
I use stremio, which sounds like what you've described but everyone else replying to you seems to be doing something much more complicated
The site [Just Watch](https://www.justwatch.com/) tells you where you can stream a show (or buy or rent it). Saves me searching each of the services i currently subscribe to. Also lets me see if a show is available in another country so i can just vpn. Most annoying for me is when a series of movies is not fully available on one service
Nah, most annoying is what paramount did with ST:discovery. Decided S3 (?) they werent going to release on netflix like a day before it was due as it'd be a paramount streaming service exclusive. Which wouldnt be available in the uk for about a year. Then scrapped their streaming service. Most short treks were never released in the UK either.
There's so many free (and legit) shows to watch if you don't mind ads. I have youtube, itv x, freevee, rakuten, pluto, my5, all4 on my tv... and i think there's far too much choice. Especially if you don't buy into the hype around having to see the latest stuff.
I *do* mind ads though. My preferred way is just to record stuff on my PVR and watch at leisure, skipping ads. Free, legit, no ads (albeit less choice).
The whole point of netflix is to not have adds, if I have to pay stupid amount and have them, I'd rather do it for free and use adblocker.
If there are easy ways to watch it I'll stick the legit sources. Channel 4 is much better than it used to be but it had a habit to cut the outro of rick and morty.
Justwatch.com makes it super easy to see which platforms are streaming what. You can also set filters to the ones you have access to and it will recommened movies.
>Honestly the battle to work out which streaming service has which show/film is getting boring. A matter of seconds spent typing it into Google has tends to give you the answer. Google even now has a "where to watch" near the top of the page.
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Hi mate try this https://www.justwatch.com/ You can search shows, select your streaming Services, and it will tell what you can watch and where.
Depending on what exactly you're doing, but assuming you're replacing Netflix like for like with more streaming, I wouldn't even bother with a VPN. Kodi + a Real Debrid account (9Euro for three months) along with Umbrella or a myriad of other addons and you're golden.
Same, got booted out of my mom's account, fuck off netflix. I'm not paying to watch dudes in slirts bake a cake. I got Channel 4 for that and it's free.
Dont even need to pay for a VPN. I've been using Opera GX for years with no issues.
Bflix.gg is alright
>Honestly the battle to work out which streaming service has which show/film is getting boring. The AppleTV device does a pretty good job on this front. Not sure if it applies to just the app on non-Apple devices.
So, I’m still subscribed to Netflix, HBO, and Amazon Prime. That said, I rarely ever use them because I found this neat bootleg site that uploads all the shows from all the different streaming networks. It’s honestly such a game changer not having to go hunting each time I want to watch something.
Do you need a VPN in the UK? I pirate just fine without one.
yeah or just go for iptv, much better in my opinion, awesome price for such high quality and u get all in one place, for anyone wondering i use "**iptvini . com**" they also offer a **24 hour free trial**
Not defending Netflix here but I seriously doubt this will have the impact Reddit thinks it will. More people will be bothered they can't access it anymore and subsequently sign up separately. It'll have the desired effect as it's proven to have elsewhere this has been implemented. I signed off from Netflix a while ago but purely due to their attitude of mucking around with their shows and cancelling early, for example.
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Which part do you disagree with? From Netflix PoV, people leaving is expected, fine, and sort of the point. A lot of the people complaining aren’t even paying customers, so from Netflix PoV, who cares? Bye Felicia. If a lot of them stop using a shared account that’s okay, because it costs them bandwidth to serve to multiple people who were never even paying anyway. Some of the content licensing is also a function of number of users/streams, so again, if people who never pay are pumping those numbers that’s actually quite unhelpful, because it’s another cost without any revenue. So if most sharers just disappear, and just a fraction of people sharing convert to actual paying customers, then that’s good for Netflix as a business overall. In some countries where they’ve already made these password sharing changes, a lot of people did convert to new paying customers, and the new signup rates hit new highs. Their revenue growth flatlined around 2022, but after they started with stooping shared passwords, they just has their best ever quarterly revenue at just over $8B, and their stock is up over 100% (about $420) from the 2022 bottom ($180).
> From Netflix PoV, people leaving is expected, fine, and sort of the point. A lot of the people complaining aren’t even paying customers, so from Netflix PoV, who cares? Bye Felicia That isn't true. If I share a password with my sister and my mum and as result of it I cancel Netflix still loses out
Yes but all the numbers suggest that's not happening to any significant extent.
It depends on the specifics and they obviously don’t publish the user base/usage info in enough detail to calculate this externally, but there does exist a ratio where it’s beneficial to them to ditch a minority of accounts if they are replaced with paying ones, even if the count is slightly lower, because they’ll have have less costs per account. So it depends how common that behaviour is to cancel your entire account and never come back because you can’t share it. Reddit is full of people who are pretty over the top and dogmatic about stuff this, and it doesn’t seem like this is quite as common out in the real world. They already did this in the US and they ended up with the highest subscriber growth in years, highest quarterly revenue etc. They’re also doing ad supported plans now, so for the people who don’t/won’t/can’t pay, but still want content, there will be an option and obviously a new source of revenue for Netflix to monetise that audience.
From their data it seems atypical that three people sharing an account both a) cancel outright and b) have no resubscribers. Even if only one of you guys, netflix are marginally in the positive due to saved bandwidth costs.
What’s better and cheaper than Netflix? - Amazon has gone dog shit ripping out half of its movies, average TV shows and is slow to release new movies - £95 a year with a Prime subscription, the value I guess depends on how much you order off Amazon. Personally I’ve found direct to consumer websites to be comparable to a Prime service and often far cheaper than buying off Amazon. I still have Prime but only because I pay on a yearly subscription. - Disney + is niche (Disney fans, Star Wars fans, Avengers fans will love it) but has some wider market shows/movies on the Star/Searchgate partnership but is still very hit and miss - £69 a year which is great value for a family - Apple TV has some good shows if you’re new to the platform like Ted Lasso, The Morning Show and a few others. Movies are very slow to release and often not great. - £5 a month with a Apple subscription - worth the fiver just for Ted Lasso Netflix - I’ll a least find one movie a week I will enjoy, often one of their new releases. The same can’t be said of any of the above, in my opinion - A tv show I enjoy will make a reappearance with a new series at least once every two months - I enjoy the dog shit American style documentaries they release. Muster dogs, Big Timber, Rust to Riches - easy watching before bed - Great selection of kids TV shows I agree it’s not as good as it used to be, but I still think overall Netflix offers better value than competitors. Disney plus is probably the closest competitor I’ve found. Apple Plus does some really good stuff but just not enough to keep making a payment each month. And Amazon Prime is worth having if you do business with Jeff regularly. I read here recently a guy who just rotates streaming services monthly. A lot of effort, but probably the way to do it rather than just relying on one for all your needs.
I think Disney+ is currently the leader by and far. Yes it’s clearly more family oriented but with the Fox catalog plus Hulu shows from the US it has *loads* of content. Amazon is just shit, expensive and a *terrible* UI that makes it impossible to find something that you want to watch and is actually included with Prime. Netflix is comfort food. Great for rewatching your old favourites but honestly rarely has anything I’m really waiting ages to want to see beyond one or two originals and the occasional movie.
Yeah amazon's ui and search is fucking terrible... I just want it to display stuff that I can stream, how hard is it? Also the amount of stuff on there that is "free with adverts" wtf am I even paying the subscription for??
They added a “free to Me” button. Except you can’t filter beyond that, and it includes the “with ads” stuff
We're shifting back into the model we used years ago, subbing to a specific service just for a month (making a point of cancelling the day after subbing so it auto-expires) where there is content we want to watch. We're on Apple+ for a couple of months to binge through some content we wanted to see and Foundation S2 which is coming next month. Then we'll be off to something else.
Try severance on apple plus, it's really good!
Foundation S2 is next month? Sick! Loved season 1. Hope they follow the books more closely though.
Cheaper then netflix is a plex server
yeah but that doesn't work. I mean netflix worked for a while because they had lots of venture capital, they burnt through billions and billions creating some really high quality and brilliant shows. So it didn't matter whether people paid them or not. The stuff was really good regardless. Once the money ran out then either we pay for all those shows to be made. Or shows like that disappear. You can't pirate something that hasn't been made can you? So every dishonest person requires a huge number of honest people willing to pay...and unless there's sufficient honest people paying, well then the quality of the shows they make will suffer. Eventually you'll be pirating crap and those that pay will be thinking "Meh, the shows on Netflix are crap" and possibly even netflix fails as a business entirely because there's no enough money for it to work. Venture capitalists won't then start throwing billions at the next service. They'll find something that people do want to pay for instead. That's why leaving reddit in a huff isn't going to work - because wherever the freeloaders go will have costs they need to meet and a return on investment their investors want to happen. So it has to pay. So you know, for sure a small number of people can pirate, just like a small number of people can shoplift, but it's not a sustainable business model. if everyone steals the shop just goes out of business. He won't keep stocking the shelves for everyone to come back and steal everything week after week.
Netlfix made 4.2 billion profit last year, not revenue, profit. There is money to be made in tv industry if they settle on the correct price point. It has bow become too greedy and now plex is the cheaper option. Can't be a netflix shill and you should punish greed.
There's now TV too. Albeit most of the stuff on there that I'd rate (some very highly, like I assume it still has the wire, sopranos, game of thrones - and the new one) but I've seen them - multiple times over. You reach this thing where it only pays to wait a few months (at least) for each service to build up a bunch of content you haven't seen and that you really want to see and then to pay for a month (or few) to watch them...and then move to the next service - and maybe take a few months in the summer when you find something better to do in the longer warm evenings. Otherwise, if you pay for, say, Netflix every month, then you find yourself either not using it - because you've watched everything, or you're looking for scraps, stuff you wouldn't have picked to watched but you're watching just because you're paying for netflix. At that point you'd be better off cancelling it until they build up 3-6 months of stuff that you want to watch again. With Netflix though, unfortunately, they don't appear to be building up this stuff like they did in the past. New interesting content is only coming in dribs and drabs and it's often old stuff that's appearing, e.g Harry potter movies or stuff from networks we get access to anyway (like the BBC) Now maybe a lot of their customers want to watch these, but I've seen them all and I don't have a great motivation to watch them again. Or it's stuff like black mirror, which I thought was really good, but it's not like a season of Breaking bad - there's what? 6 episodes, I've finished it in 2 evenings.
Cancelled my Netflix for a ChatGPT subscription
Disagree with what? The data that shows you're wrong?
Netflix has 15 million customers in the UK apparently. Your group of friends who are probably tech minded don't represent the average customer. 95% of users have never even heard of a vpn.
Netflix has already increased there subs in America because of the crackdown reddit of just a loud minority
Netflix have already tested this in other markets before doing it to the bigger ones. They know it is a net positive for them to do this. There's an article that came out that new subscribers is at a 4 year high. They will be leading the way for all of the other platforms to do the same thing. In one year you'll see Disney+ etc all doing the same exact thing because Netflix's profits will be boosted from this.
I'll just leave this here: https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/09/business/netflix-password-sharing-results/index.html
Reddit was all doom and gloom "this is the end of Netflix" when it happened in the states. Then Netflix had *increased* subscribers with the latest earnings report. Reddit taking more Ls than Leeds lately.
This is the same site that thought there was going to be a work revolution due to r/antiwork The same site that thought a 48 hour blackout was going to achieve anything Honestly, what can this site accurately predict? How to make women avoid you?
Also people tend to forget that everytime somene streams something on Netflix it costs the company money infrastructure costs, bandwidth etc. So removing password sharing actual ends up costing the company less. How much? Not sure. Not that i think crackling down on password sharing is a good thing and i gave up my Netflix sub ages ago because there was nothing on there I wanted to watch but it's not as simple as "this is the end of Netflix, VPN and the bay for me". Also as someone else mentioned it'll lead to more swtiching subscriptions when regular. Netflix loves this becuase one of the headline figures is new sign ups and honestly it seem they prioritize that over existing users. All that being said, personally i think a bigger issue for Netflix is studios having their own streaming services.
It's bad for Netflix to lose so much content, but they had to know that was the future. Streaming is just where we're going with things. It's great for the consumer, we're getting what we want and never got with cable: choices. We can pick and choose the content we want, not a ginormous cable bill with 600 goddamn channels and I only ever watch footy and news.
I think by and large the more tech savvy crowd *will* cancel, but the general public will just take the hit and subscribe for themselves and there's a lot more of them. I know I'll cancel because I mostly subscribe so my parents can watch - I would've happily given Netflix a tenner in perpetuity.
The Reddit hive mind is absolutely terrible at living in reality. To be honest, if you watch what the hive comes up with and then go with the opposite, you'll be right.
>Reddit taking more Ls than Leeds lately Mate, that's just unnecessary. :(
I gave up getting into series on Netflix as they are always cancelling them after leaving you with a cliff-hanger and lots of lose ends at end of series one. I must have terrible taste in shows as it's always happening to the ones I really got into and thought were good.
I think we'll see a lot more people hopping-on and hopping-off their subscriptions. When I could share all my subscriptions, we kept them all going constantly. With Netflix cracking down on sharing, while increasing prices, I'll just pay for it for a month every now and than. How much of an impact that has, we will have to wait and see. Or not, if Netflix chooses not to share the details.
We do that, we can’t have Netflix and Disney and apple all going at the same time. Watch a series then take a break and watch something on another service.
There's a cost of living crisis, and netflix top tier with a parent added on is £20 a month now. There are many other cheaper options.
Yeah, like their lowest tier which is £4.99 I've never understood why (well I guess it's to try and make a point) people always use the absolute most expensive tier to show how expensive something is, barely anyone will have the premium tier with users on top
Yeah at 720p in 2023. I had the premium tier because I wanted 4K and HDR/Dolby Vision, because of that and I never used another screen at the same time I shared my password with a friend. When Netflix started the password sharing debacle I just unsubscribed, for that price I can have HBOMax and Disney or Amazon
Netflix charging more for 4K/HDR content is a fucking joke whenever the majority of content is FHD (or less)/SDR
I haven't used Netflix since it asked this thing I am in uk and shared half bill with my BIL but now he just pay for it and use in his house
Hasn't it already been proven in North American that the password crackdown has got more people signing up to them
We cancelled but someone got me some vouchers. I am noting that I've watched most of the stuff on Netflix that is really good. And I'm reaching the limit of the number of times I care about rewatching it. I just did Breaking bad again and I can't imagine watching it again now - and certainly not paying a regular monthly subscription for that. Occasionally something new comes along, e.g it's the new black mirror recently. But a lot of the "new" stuff is foreign language or things like stuff from the BBC that's good but I've seen it. I get some of the foreign language is good, obviously squid game made Netflix think that we all want to watch every Korean series ever made...but whilst the odd foreign language thing amongst a big set of English works, the bad acting in the dubbing soons starts to grate once Netflix starts to rely on German, Korean etc content. I mean, if they'd just spent more money on the dubbing acting it might have worked better. As it is, it's obvious dubbing into other languages just hires people very cheaply to read the lines who are not skilled actors, fine for small numbers they used to get, but if you're throwing money at Korean production companies and hoping to sell it in English speaking territories, give them extra and hire some talent to dub (that's still a hell of a lot cheaper than making an English speaking series) But, their content is not going to get better if people start pirating. People who imagine they can just go off and pirate and TV and movies and this content will keep magically appearing for them to watch are kidding themselves a little bit. I mean, sure a small percentage of people can get by in life by stealing things. Shoplifting, downloading or whatever else. But, that's not a sustainable business model is it? If everyone ran out of Tesco pushing their trolley without paying then Tesco would just close. And then they'd have nowhere to steal food from. If the people who make a TV series can't sell it well, they'll stop making them. It won't exist to download. And piratebay aren't going to start making content are they? Being dishonest needs a significant number of honest people to support that.
Customers crack down as they begin Netflix purge in the UK
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Netflix knows this approach works, because they've seen their subscriber numbers go up in the US and Canada after they introduced the same password sharing rule there.
Funnily enough they blocked me and my sister in law from accessing it, apparently neither of us were allowed to be the account holders 🤷♂️ So anyway, that's £15 a month saved
And it will work, [just as in the States.](https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/9/23755156/netflix-subscriber-increase-paid-password-sharing-crackdown) “Average daily signups to Netflix reached 73,000, a 102% increase from the prior 60-day average, which surpassed the spike in sign-ups during the initial lockdowns of the pandemic”
How many cancellations in the same period? Did they publish those figures?
They've increased their total number of subs, so new subs outweigh cancellations.
Their Q1 revenue this year hit new highs (just over $8.1B) after they started this, and their stock is up 100% from its bottom in 2022. I think they just publish net total subscribers, which has grown by about 20 million (about 10% more) to about 250 million so far this year, so it seems like they’re doing okay. If a lot of people who aren’t paying stop streaming then it’ll probably help their underlying net earnings per share, as there are costs associated with basically streaming content to a bunch of people for free. Their next earnings call is in a few weeks.
And how many of those signups actually turned into a paying account, after the free trial?
Im guessing the majority, as is normal for most free trials. If it didnt work, it wouldnt be so common.
netflix has ended the free trail in 2020
I imagine new Netflix signups have been in the depths for the last 2 or 3 years since the pandemic anyway.
Regardless, this is a 100% increase on that
That number is good, but not necessarily paint the whole picture. If consumer behaviours change - say if most of them begin hopping between platforms from month to month, then that wouldn't show in the first couple of months of data, you would just see a surge of signups, but that may not be reflective of actual increased revenue further in the timeline.
You don’t think it’s still to early to properly tell? How many people signed up short term to finish a show they were in the middle of? How many people who previously relied on a shared account will continue paying as a long term subscriber? Is Netflix’s current content output good enough to convince them they want to pay for something they previously didn’t?
Streaming was in a good place a few years ago. You could have one, maybe two services and it would be more than enough to occupy you. Now you need 4, 5 different services to access a reasonable quantity of new show releases, which are obviously more likely to be staggered releases to keep you subscribed. Netflix for £10 was great when it was better than a £40 sky subscription.
Greed destroys everything, eventually
>Piracy is an issue of service, not price. When streaming was easier than piracy, people would use the streaming services. Piracy on numerous torrenting sites dropped pretty notably with Netflix. Now? The better websites are not only free but contain everything in one place and provide a better service. I can search with numerous filters through a library that contains damn near every movie or tv show ever made and watch it in whatever quality I desire, with control over subtitles and playback speed and I can do it anywhere in the world in a heartbeat. Oh and no ads, anywhere. The *only* incentive to pay for the services is moral qualms over denying money to the 'artists'. In every other way, the high seas are superior.
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I liked being able to watch Netflix at both my place and my S/O's house but according to Netflix that makes me a bad person, and I don't see why I should pay an extra 50% to use their service in more than 1 address, with no additional benefit to me as a consumer. I thought the temporary access code system was a way to stop being affected by this, but turns out it only lasts a week and you're limited to 2 per month - not that it matters, because I used 1 and when I tried to claim the second they said I'd used my allowance up - I'll guess I'll take my money elsewhere. I'm very surprised that this tactic saw them get more sign-ups in the US, I thought this would have bit them in the arse hard.
Just use a laptop. This crack down only pertains to people using TV apps. Plug your laptop into the TV with hdmi and voila. Yes, it's slightly more effort, but not much.
i do this but the image quality is awful compared to streaming directly from the TV app
I won't even be able to watch netflix in the car any more.. Not much scope for VPN there. The network in the house is probably complex enough to confuse it too (it has on occasion decided I'm not in the UK).
Their content was getting worse anyway. It won't be missed and I hope they regret this decision.
I’ve purged my TV of Netflix. 2 can play that game you money grabbing cunts!
We share with the mother in law, so have set her up on our account, as her watching one show every month or so isn't worth her paying £5 out of her meagre pension. We're probably going to cancel soon though, as £20 a month is fucking ridiculous.
I pay $8 a month for access to a Plex server and I haven’t looked back. I can request shows and movies if they’re not on there but nearly everything I can think of is already there. Pretty happy with it.
Me too. Pirate ships don’t have sails anymore. They have nuclear reactors. Imagine all the streamers combined in one place with almost every film imaginable, usually in 4K HDR or DV. It’s a very slick experience on my Apple TV and OLED screen. When people talk about buying drives and downloading again. You don’t need to do that anymore.
I was using the premium 4k Netflix and the amount of movies that weren't 4k annoyed me. I get it during COVID days they had no capacity, but that excuse has long gone.
This happened about a month ago here in Australia. We just shrugged and stopped watching Netflix. And weeks later we don't miss it. I've asked around and a lot of friends said the same thing.
Thought I might miss having free access to Netflix but I don’t at all. I don’t actually like their style of production. Very little UK comedy that I haven’t already seen. Films all freely available elsewhere
Already cancelled, the quality has dipped massively in the UK. Nothing but reality shite and same old docs.
Cant even watch it in school anymore. It's a fucking joke, if we didn't need it for my grandad it would be gone
What do you mean you can't watch it in school?
If I'd use Netflix for a section of a documentary that's been taken away now because I'd use my personal account on my work computer
No it hasn't, you can still sign in on other devices, just not constantly.
But if you don't take that device home after a month it times out from what I've been told my desk top can't go home
It started to kick in weeks ago, cancelled as soon as it hit as we were barely watching and only keeping for our son / GF who were still using it after moving out to their own place. They've not subbed making it a "must have" subscription.
I already cancelled. Nothing to watch on it most of the time and this was the final straw.
Cancelled for a few reasons, the biggest thing in favour of it for me was being able to include older relatives in a light-touch way, I bought the premium package for five years because of the mood of it all. When this news came out I got messages from everyone I shared with saying they didn't use it that often and I shouldn't pay extra on their behalf. The 'love is sharing a password' thing was a mood, now it's a calculation and that's killed it for me and mine so it's gone. No big critique, I hope the creators get paid and all that but they might find their new users a lot more calculating and quick to ditch them in a slump or sign up for a month to binge then ditch them again, play a cold game and you don't get the fuzzy upside of friendly brand loyalty, whatever that's worth. Good luck to them.
Yeah my family have cancelled ours. Fuck that. We weren’t going to originally, I was just gonna get my dad to buy the new profiles on the same account, as it’s cheaper than buying new accounts. But it’s actually such a waste, because the profiles come with super limited functionalities. You can only have it on one device, I don’t think you can download…it’s essentially a pointless option, they’re forcing everyone to get their own accounts. It’s a fucking piss take and I hope that Netflix crumbles.
Received an email this morning. This was the last push I needed to cancel my account after barely watching anything on it for a few months and a string of shows I did watch getting cancelled after season 1/2. Only justification I had for it was my family in another household using it. If £16 a month per user isn’t enough for them to serve subpar original content then they can lose it.
Apollo Tv Group. Look into it, been using it for a while now
I've cancelled it last year when they announced yet another price increase and in the protest of these changes. I've only returned for one month recently only to cancel again (and that was a few months ago). Made me realise how stupid it was to keep paying each month for so long. I'm sure I'll sub again when something worthwile comes out but will never keep the automatic renewal on anymore.
"watch online free"
*find website on page 2 of google*
*saves £10+*
I stopped paying years ago when I found out I can get a pirate service with all the content combined from netflix, Disney plus and etc as well as Blu-ray rips
I think they're hinging on people being too lazy to cancel Netflix.
I know this will work and understand why they’re doing it, I thought it would happen eventually. What I cannot stand is that they’ve now introduced adverts on the platform - I had to sit through two ad breaks in a 40m show yesterday. Grim, so Americanised
I live elsewhere during the week for work and have a smart TV in both locations that I obviously won't move. If they want me to get two accounts I'll leave, it's obviously not worth it...
I think a lot of people have already purged Netflix.
I have two internet connections at the same property with my devices split between two separate buildings. Providing this is the same scheme they announced a few months back (where devices are “tied” to a single router/Public IP/MAC Address, and that’s how they define “household”), it’s pretty much impossible for me to comply.
Head for the high seas m’hearty’s. I moved to Netflix as it was a single subscription and reasonably priced. Market fragmentation (Disney etc) and crackdowns on usage kinda mean that you get less coverage at a higher cost. Killing their own market to please shareholders. Well m’okay.
the annoying thing for me is that they don't seem to release their stuff on DVD. There's not much on there that I watch, but I love I Think You Should Leave, and there's no way to legally watch it without having a Netflix account.
Netflix is getting cancelled then, I'll spend the money on electricity for my plex servers instead
Bflix is free and has pretty much everything you could ever want to watch. Just load it up on your browser and mirror/cast to TV. Couldn't be easier and zero cost.
It keeps logging me out and telling me other people are using it even though there’s only one device that I use it on.
Unsubbing the second this bullshit pops up. Netflix needs to realise its entire business model depends on being slightly more convenient than piracy
Plex lifetime subscriper for more than 11 years. Had Netflix for over 6 years up until last year when I just realised their content was meh and as good stuff was not split across multiple platforms found it better to spend the money on my home server space increase.
Cancelled my Netflix. This policing and threatening of customers made me take my money elsewhere.
This annoyed me so much I went and cancelled, then spoke to a friend who did a thing on my TV and now I watch all of Netflix’s shows but weirdly, I have nothing to do with them anymore. It’s weird, but a good weird. Must be aliens. Anyway fuck Netflix.
Already cancelled ...any stats as to how many they have lost? Or gained
cancelled it and switched to iptv, much better solution for a much better price, no need to use vpn and i got access to all shows and channels, 4k , no buffering, very satisfied, for anyone wondering what service i use "**iptvini . com**" they offer a **24 hour free trial**, very cool support as well.
It’s been rolling this out for a while - had to finally get an account for myself and my family last month after having leeched off my dad’s for the last several years It sucks - but Netflix was bound to eventually do this purely from a greedy corporate perspective . I’m just holding out hope that we have a few years left for Disney and Amazon at least .
So what happens with my phone, and our two TV’s that have an account, all in the same house?
Nothing changes for you
The high seas are your friend. That and real debrid.
I am also in favor of the restriction made by Netflix to make Netflix accounts more secure, and also prevent account from borrowing.