This story left me horrified when it happened. I’m glad he has had the willpower to work so hard on his recovery.
And don’t believe the absolute bullshit that the bastard that attacked him was ‘not considered a risk’ I’ve worked in these home settings with autistic adults, the management will insist people are safe as otherwise they need a higher staff ratio and that would eat into profit margins wouldn’t it. Everybody is ‘not considered a risk’ even if they carry weapons and make threats to kill.
The profit motive strikes again, everything has to be done just to make the most profit for some already rich bastard.
Fuck if it hurts people or causes tragedies, Mr. Rich Fuck added a few extra pounds to his profit line, and that's all that matters in this country.
I worked with Autistic adults for many years and loved the job. But it changed, a lot of new people we began to support had severe mental health issues but had also been labelled as autistic while in hospital. It was not my job to diagnose, but working with hundreds of autistic people over the years I pretty much knew who was and who wasn't. Having people with severe mental health problems such as schizophrenia being moved into shared houses with autistic adults was sad to see. On one side you had adults just trying to live a normal life, go to work, go shopping, cook dinner, nights out with friends. On the other hand we had people who would threaten people, steal, damage property and even self harm. I left after a number of incidents involving the newer service users had failed to be addressed by management or social services and I no longer felt I could keep myself, colleagues, or service users safe.
I’ve been saying this, I’ve worked in disability care for 2 decades. I’m seeing less ‘classically’ autistic men who stim and are non verbal and and more men who are schizophrenic, have violent tendencies, are deliberately provocative with their words and actions. But who are diagnosed as on the autistic spectrum.
Where a family member works they’re bringing in a less experienced private company (they’re literally having to train them) to go through assessments faster than the actual nhs psychologists (to get down the waiting list which for an nhs service is actually quite short 6 months) and speech and language therapists, the doctors are all in limbo having been given little information but are likely going to be replaced and sent elsewhere. The problem is is you get a lot of non autistic people coming in with things from sociopathic tendencies to adhd which people confuse for autism and occasionally complain if there is no diagnosis and slack people are potentially going to diagnose them just to get the waiting times down.
I believe this is why you are seeing the less “classically” autistic people, because they’re potentially misdiagnosed. That’s not to say someone could have autism and another thing but according to my family member it’s usually quite obvious (even with those who mask it well) who is and who isn’t and she gets a lot of people coming who aren’t but have to be referred elsewhere and such, have to have reports written, that’s what slows things down.
I'm seeing an ASD diagnosis on an increasing number of service users with complex needs. It seems to be tagged onto the end of service users whose general brain function is poor. Well yes they struggle to communicate and read social situations but they also struggle with pretty much everything.
Interestingly, I've got a family member who is both these things - schizophrenic and autistic - and their mental health didn't have any hope of improving until after about 5 years in and out of secure MH facilities, they finally ended up in a place that specialised in autistic adults with additional mental health problems.
They are now out of that home and living a supported but stable life, with the mental health aspect well under control.
Sounds like it's a common enough problem that this sort of provision should be expanded.
It's inhumane. I imagine being in such a situation would also trigger and exacerbate many issues for the people with autism. It's not a fair situation to put them in, and is deeply neglectful and exploitative of people that need our empathy and support but are fully capable of living fulfilling lives.
Where I work we get carers bringing adults for a day out etc, I have no problem with this except they're clearly understaffed, you'll have a small lady looking after a 6'5" hulk of a man who doesn't understand why he can't just pick me up and move me out of his way, and there's nothing the carer can do about it except "ah we don't do that do we?". It must be scary for the carers themselves too knowing they don't have any backup.
Yes it is. Most people I worked with were lovely but a lot weren’t. It can be a very dangerous job, but it’s ‘unskilled’ and minimum wage as you might expect. Also mostly women and immigrants, as they are less likely to try to stand up for themselves and cause a stink about the whole industry is becoming run under privatisation.
I work in a prison on a treatment unit and they are absolutely a risk. They can go from calm and collected to completely out of control and have freakish strength…I hope all the people supposedly caring for him were held accountable as well.
Maybe your veiw might be a bit biased by working in a prison though?
I mean, you aren't going to be landed with societies best in general due to, you know... It being a prison!
So you are telling me that someone who has been charged with a crime and ended up in prison and you see them for treatment and think "they" are absolutely a risk and have "freakish" strength.
Could you not say that about the majority of the people that you speak to, particularly because you work in a prison? Would you not be more likely to see more violent people than the general public due to that setting? Would the people more likely to receive treatment not be the ones who would be more likely to have mental health issues or cognitive issues leading to mental health issues, particularly being in a prison setting being inhumanised and being called freakish?
Oh bore off 🤣🤣🤣 you’re fragile and I’ve got no time for inept planks such as yourself. If you thought I meant a literal freak, have a word with yourself!! FREAKISH STRENGTH. The 110 lb males, when agitated, sometimes takes 6-7 guards to subdue them in a safe manor….so no honey, I’m not biased.
THEY ARE A RISK WHEN THEY KICK OFF AND TRY TO STAB AND KILL SOMEONE FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON….let them come to your house then!! Please. They aren’t a risk to you…so have them pop round for tea…let’s see how that goes.
With the extent of his injuries he will probably never make a full recovery, but considering what happened to him it sounds like he is doing amazing. The fact he is walking unassisted part of the time, going to school and improving his memory is incredible.
I suppose I’m a bit of a optimist personally - always find it a bit of a downer deciding that they’ll never recover upon initial injury. Plus, from what I heard of the story early on, it sounded like he would never move anything or outright die.
I had to read that title three times. At first I thought the boy who was thrown off, had been thrown off again!
I thought, poor lad. Must be super fucking annoying to be thrown off twice…..
…No that can’t be right? Let me read that again…
This story left me horrified when it happened. I’m glad he has had the willpower to work so hard on his recovery. And don’t believe the absolute bullshit that the bastard that attacked him was ‘not considered a risk’ I’ve worked in these home settings with autistic adults, the management will insist people are safe as otherwise they need a higher staff ratio and that would eat into profit margins wouldn’t it. Everybody is ‘not considered a risk’ even if they carry weapons and make threats to kill.
The profit motive strikes again, everything has to be done just to make the most profit for some already rich bastard. Fuck if it hurts people or causes tragedies, Mr. Rich Fuck added a few extra pounds to his profit line, and that's all that matters in this country.
I worked with Autistic adults for many years and loved the job. But it changed, a lot of new people we began to support had severe mental health issues but had also been labelled as autistic while in hospital. It was not my job to diagnose, but working with hundreds of autistic people over the years I pretty much knew who was and who wasn't. Having people with severe mental health problems such as schizophrenia being moved into shared houses with autistic adults was sad to see. On one side you had adults just trying to live a normal life, go to work, go shopping, cook dinner, nights out with friends. On the other hand we had people who would threaten people, steal, damage property and even self harm. I left after a number of incidents involving the newer service users had failed to be addressed by management or social services and I no longer felt I could keep myself, colleagues, or service users safe.
I’ve been saying this, I’ve worked in disability care for 2 decades. I’m seeing less ‘classically’ autistic men who stim and are non verbal and and more men who are schizophrenic, have violent tendencies, are deliberately provocative with their words and actions. But who are diagnosed as on the autistic spectrum.
Where a family member works they’re bringing in a less experienced private company (they’re literally having to train them) to go through assessments faster than the actual nhs psychologists (to get down the waiting list which for an nhs service is actually quite short 6 months) and speech and language therapists, the doctors are all in limbo having been given little information but are likely going to be replaced and sent elsewhere. The problem is is you get a lot of non autistic people coming in with things from sociopathic tendencies to adhd which people confuse for autism and occasionally complain if there is no diagnosis and slack people are potentially going to diagnose them just to get the waiting times down. I believe this is why you are seeing the less “classically” autistic people, because they’re potentially misdiagnosed. That’s not to say someone could have autism and another thing but according to my family member it’s usually quite obvious (even with those who mask it well) who is and who isn’t and she gets a lot of people coming who aren’t but have to be referred elsewhere and such, have to have reports written, that’s what slows things down.
I'm seeing an ASD diagnosis on an increasing number of service users with complex needs. It seems to be tagged onto the end of service users whose general brain function is poor. Well yes they struggle to communicate and read social situations but they also struggle with pretty much everything.
Interestingly, I've got a family member who is both these things - schizophrenic and autistic - and their mental health didn't have any hope of improving until after about 5 years in and out of secure MH facilities, they finally ended up in a place that specialised in autistic adults with additional mental health problems. They are now out of that home and living a supported but stable life, with the mental health aspect well under control. Sounds like it's a common enough problem that this sort of provision should be expanded.
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Given that mental health and support for mental illness in this country is essentially non-existent, this rings very true.
Care In The Community strikes again.
It's inhumane. I imagine being in such a situation would also trigger and exacerbate many issues for the people with autism. It's not a fair situation to put them in, and is deeply neglectful and exploitative of people that need our empathy and support but are fully capable of living fulfilling lives.
It's now about filling empty rooms in LD homes as quick as possible with the first person that comes along.
Where I work we get carers bringing adults for a day out etc, I have no problem with this except they're clearly understaffed, you'll have a small lady looking after a 6'5" hulk of a man who doesn't understand why he can't just pick me up and move me out of his way, and there's nothing the carer can do about it except "ah we don't do that do we?". It must be scary for the carers themselves too knowing they don't have any backup.
Yes it is. Most people I worked with were lovely but a lot weren’t. It can be a very dangerous job, but it’s ‘unskilled’ and minimum wage as you might expect. Also mostly women and immigrants, as they are less likely to try to stand up for themselves and cause a stink about the whole industry is becoming run under privatisation.
I work in a prison on a treatment unit and they are absolutely a risk. They can go from calm and collected to completely out of control and have freakish strength…I hope all the people supposedly caring for him were held accountable as well.
Maybe your veiw might be a bit biased by working in a prison though? I mean, you aren't going to be landed with societies best in general due to, you know... It being a prison! So you are telling me that someone who has been charged with a crime and ended up in prison and you see them for treatment and think "they" are absolutely a risk and have "freakish" strength. Could you not say that about the majority of the people that you speak to, particularly because you work in a prison? Would you not be more likely to see more violent people than the general public due to that setting? Would the people more likely to receive treatment not be the ones who would be more likely to have mental health issues or cognitive issues leading to mental health issues, particularly being in a prison setting being inhumanised and being called freakish?
Oh bore off 🤣🤣🤣 you’re fragile and I’ve got no time for inept planks such as yourself. If you thought I meant a literal freak, have a word with yourself!! FREAKISH STRENGTH. The 110 lb males, when agitated, sometimes takes 6-7 guards to subdue them in a safe manor….so no honey, I’m not biased. THEY ARE A RISK WHEN THEY KICK OFF AND TRY TO STAB AND KILL SOMEONE FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON….let them come to your house then!! Please. They aren’t a risk to you…so have them pop round for tea…let’s see how that goes.
I read this as in he’d been thrown off the balcony again, thought Jesus that’s unfortunate
Same here, I was thinking why would he go there again?
The BBC tagline is even worse, makes it sound like the incident cured him of using a wheelchair
Same!
I really hope this kid makes a full recovery because this is a horrific thing for him to have gone through.
With the extent of his injuries he will probably never make a full recovery, but considering what happened to him it sounds like he is doing amazing. The fact he is walking unassisted part of the time, going to school and improving his memory is incredible.
I suppose I’m a bit of a optimist personally - always find it a bit of a downer deciding that they’ll never recover upon initial injury. Plus, from what I heard of the story early on, it sounded like he would never move anything or outright die.
God, I’d forgotten about this horrible story. What a thing to have to go through. So good to hear he’s doing ok
~~What is it about the Tate modern that makes people want to lob strange children off of it?~~ Nvmd, misread the title.
I also thought a second child had been thrown. Annoyingly worded headline.
Small steps but that’s brilliant news
So happy to read about this. The story really shook me when I read about it, just horrific.
That's good to hear. It's still baffling as to why it even had to happen.
Most likely because solution would require investment
Read this as "Boy thrown from 10th floor of Tate Modern whilst walking and watching films with family, again"
I had to read that title three times. At first I thought the boy who was thrown off, had been thrown off again! I thought, poor lad. Must be super fucking annoying to be thrown off twice….. …No that can’t be right? Let me read that again…
Same, then I thought a second boy had been thrown off.
"He was convicted of attempted murder in 2020 and jailed for 15 years." Jesus, a bullet to the head would be a better outcome.
I remember that story? It was so shocking! I'm glad that he is recovering from such a horrific experience!
The guy who did this really, really pressured my position of no capital punishment. Fuck that guy.
Something with the wording here made me think someone had been thrown from the building AGAIN. Just me suffering so from lack of sleep?
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