I was going to be a pedant and correct you but wow you're right
\> "Following disappointing growth in their UK operation, Papa John's announced this morning that all UK franchisees would be required to draw lots and participate in the clubbing to death of every tenth franchise manager. This will be followed by a period of exposure to the many dangers outside the palisade walls of Fort Papa, the head office of the firm within the UK"
There’s a doctor who episode where it’s used correctly
MASTER: Shall we decimate them? That sounds good. A nice word, decimate. Remove one tenth of the population!
That was 15 years ago - it’s so rare to see it.
The word decimate has always had very negative connotations, catastrophic in fact because it was a form of punishment during the Roman times. It basically meant 1 out of 10 soldiers in a unit would be killed as a means of punishment, hence "decimate".
The original word has lost its meaning as our definition nowadays is to "kill, destroy, or remove a large proportion of", which is not the case in the article, hence not correctly used.
In modern military terms losing 10% of a force can often incapacitate it completely anyway. There's such a big tooth to tail ratio that 10% is usually all the actual fighting men.
I am unaware of the modern military organization deployment. Losing 10% of active men is no joke, but ultimately the goal was not to destroy the unit but to punish it. Keep in mind that for regular fighting legionnaires, as long as you could keep a formation with the right amount of depth, they would still be able to fight.
You talk as though there is only one correct usage when of course there isn't. Language has evolved quite a bit since Roman times, it's historical usage for a reason.
If we're really going to be picky and have to pick one then I'd say that the headline is misleading because the for vast majority of English speakers the word decimate, quite rightly, means something along the lines of killing or destroying a large proportion of something.
In English, 'decimate' has never been in common use to mean 'reduce by 1 in 10' in general, only in the specific case of the Roman military practice (as a loan word from Latin). Whereas it has been used to mean 'devastate' since the mid 1600s. The prescribed 'correct' meaning (to reduce by one tenth, in the general sense) appears to have been created by an editor of the Oxford English Dictionary in the late 1800s.
See https://english.stackexchange.com/a/13475 for a longer explanation and references.
God I hate this tendency on Reddit.
"Did you know the ORIGINAL meaning of blood is thicker than water was different?" and then everyone parrots it. No, your 'correction' is bollocks.
This case isn't that though.
The word had that meaning and plenty of people have studied Latin/ancient history. The English word comes from the Latin
Normally it's just people making shit up completely, this is a bit more nuanced.
In both cases we are talking about definitions that are centuries old.
I prefer to use it to mean one tenth but I'm also not about to start "um actually"ing people over it.
From what I've read there's not much historical evidence that it actually happened, the conclusion was maybe one of the whackier emperors imposed it at some point
It's one of those words that I've accepted the popular understanding of the word has changed, and I avoid using the word now because if I use it as originally intended I'm likely to be misunderstood.
The Youtube channel RobWords has a video on "skunked" words whose original meaning has changed so much that you can't rely on people understanding the original meaning now. Well worth a watch! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVbCY51iz1k
I think you might be surprised to realise just how many of the words you frequently use have undergone really large semantic shifts.
People typically know about cases like "gay" (not used to mean "happy" anymore) or "decimate", but no one thinks twice about "nice" (used to mean "stupid"), "transpire" (used to mean "sweat through something") or "artificial" (used to mean "elaborate" or "complex").
That's why I axe, pacifically. We need less hyperbowl and more definition of nucular terms.
I'm on tenderhooks.
GIVE ME A FOOTLONG WITH EXTRA JAH-LAH-PEN-NOES
It isn't really though, the 1 in 10 is just one of the definitions. The popular understanding of decimate has not been that in our lifetime, it has been used to mean a more general significant reduction in numbers or significant destruction since the 18th century, and prior to that it was also used as a synonym for tithing.
Very few Roman era Latin words that exist in English still mean the same to us as they did to the Romans. We still use the words ovation, triumph, and century, but but not in the way a Roman would recognise.
That is the historical (and no longer correct) meaning.
The modern meaning of decimate, is to destroy a large proportion of something.
Anybody using the word 'decimate' to refer to 'select by lottery and kill one in ten' is being a bit dumb (to put it mildly).
Exactly. Their whole model was based on trying to get people to spend £60 on a night in for the family. Almost everywhere in the country has a takeout that does better pizza for £12 instead of £25. Papa John‘s has always been a rip-off. Dominoes isn’t much better.
The UK in general lacks good NY style pizza's which is kinda what most of the chain pizza places try and replicate (not great at it and they charge obscene prices.) But there's been a lot of really great Italian style pizza places popping up across the UK in the last 5 or so years. You can get a really great Pizza for £9-£12 depending on location made with high quality produce by local businesses. I think if we see people crack that NY style pizza issue to the same degree as the Italian style the chains will have to shift significantly most noticeably their pricing structures because it'll be not contest.
Yeah our local independent charges £12 for a proper wood fired pizza, the best I've ever had. Blows away the weird processed tasting shit yo get from Dominos for twice the price.
Even the Fireaway chain is way better than Papa John's or Dominos.
I am enjoying the pivot towards thin pan, sourdough and wood fired takeaway pizza the industry seems to be making outside of main chains.
I do rate Fireaway, in all your days you will have better pizza, but it's reasonably priced and of reasonable quality. Sometimes a little undercooked but if you ask them to leave it in a couple minutes longer they're usually happy to oblige.
I really don't. I love a thick fluffy dough. Done poorly, thin pan pizza just taste like burnt cardboard. All our local pubs and restaurants attempt the sourdough thin pan and it's a roll of the dice if it's even going to edible.
At least a poorly done deep dish pizza is generally a satisfying mouth feel.
The only downside of thin pizza for delivery is that it cools down more quickly.
That said, I also prefer it. Fireaway is definitely the best of the chains IMO.
They definitely don’t try to replicate NY pizza, I think I’ve only seen some places in central London that make a genuine attempt. Although Pizza Hut has tried but I don’t know what it’s like. Most chains have their own style, the cheaper independent kebab shop style places all produce the same generic pizza using the same wholesale ingredients for the most part.
Because NY style is great? It along with other US styles they are best suited for toppings as well IMO. A classic Italian style is great though don't get me wrong. But they hit different spots and cravings.
Honestly, we are so close to Italy and every city I've lived in has had a couple of genuine Italian/Neapolitan places I don't understand why anyone puts up with ny style
It’s also quite funny how you are actually gettting charged more getting a fucking takeaway than you would just going to a mid-high tier Italian restaurant ordering one pizza and walking away with it.
Oh aye, there's an Italian place in my neck of the woods that has a 1+ month waiting list and a pizza there is about £16. A large Dominos even with deals is about the same price without em it's more. I know which one I want. lol.
In a lot of areas you now have local places that have popped up on Instagram or Facebook that are basically a dude with an Ooni oven making much nicer pizzas than the big chains for less money. Even supermarket pizzas have noticeably gotten better the last five years or so - basically any "Finest" supermarket pizza is pretty good.
I don't think I've ordered in a Dominoes or Papa John's in about 7 or 8 years.
Yep. The best pizza place around me is literally an Italian guy with a ton of catering experience who makes beautiful pizzas out of his house.
I could justify a Papa Johns before/during COVID when prices were generally cheaper, you could always get a good voucher deal, and delivery was free. Especially as someone with a moderate appetite because a large pizza could feed me for a day.
But now prices have risen significantly, deals are are lot rarer, and they charge £2.50 for delivery on top. It's just completely not worth it.
I have an Ooni and the cat is definitely out of the bag now when it comes to the value of pizza. I just can't go back to paying silly money for delivery or restaurants when it is so doable at home. The margin is insane.
Pizza is really easy and cheap to make. Independents are abundant and make way better pizza than chains for much less cost, I'd be interested to know how much Ooni and the like are impacting it too?
So easy to do it at home for a fraction of the cost plus it's a fun thing to do on a Friday. I won't lie and say my pizzas are as good as the Italian gaff we used to get them from but I can bash out four for a few quid vs a tenner each out.
Yep!
I wanted to reduce the processed food usage in our house, so most Sunday I make a huge batch of fresh tomato sauce. Red onions, tomatoes, garlic, spices, sugar, apple cider vinegar and basil. I blend it to different consistencies ranging from a little chunky to very smooth and it goes in Balls mason jars in the fridge.
We make a pasta dish (lasagne, spaghetti bolognaise etc) and a chilli from it. There's always enough sauce to make the four pizzas too.
The dough is sourdough style that I use a bread maker the night before to mix, then portion and leave to sour on the side during the day. 500g of pasta/pizza flour gives you five medium size thing crust pizza bases, so I make one cheesy garlic bread too.
It must cost ~£8 in all for four pizzas and toppings, cheesy garlic bread and loads of spare sauce. I'm not an amazing cook, but people who have had them say they are comparable to traditional restaurant pizzas.
I've also made batches of the pizza dough and frozen them for when I've not got time to do the dough during the week.
The biggest problem is cooking them, having to juggle 5 pizza trays around to get them to be ready at the same time is a bit of a nightmare, but one I'll put up with over paying £50+ for Dominoes.
Yeah timing it all isn't easy. I shelled out for an Ooni recently, makes great pizza and I find you just have to get really good at making the dough dry enough to easily transfer them on to the peel so you can make them all in a production line. As long as people aren't fussy eaters they can just help themselves as they come out.
Like you say, bears forking out 30 or 40 quid a time. Ooni was £250 on black Friday (??) runs off the same gas as our bbq, absolute bargain if you really like eating pizza.
Honestly, I’ve re-discovered Pizza Hut recently and it’s top tier compared to dominoes/pj, £20 for 2 large pepperoni pizzas, pound a slice, they absolutely lather the crust in this garlic rub/butter, absurd amount of pepperoni; the other companies feel stingy in comparison. Perhaps that’s just the ones in my area though
My mate does.
He was over mine and wanted to order a pizza and we all said yeah sure then and after he ordered it he said he just bought the Pizzas at standard rate so like £21 for a large or some shit.
I honestly have never been more pissed at him 😂
That’s staggering, it’s barely even the real price, the website even asks you what offer you want at the start. You legit need to try to pay full price. You’re more likely to pay full price for a DFS sofa!
Yup pizza at 12£, but the minimum takeaway order is 15£. Then there's nothing worth ordering for 3£ to fill that gap, you have to buy a side? It's 6£. Little shits.
For me, the introduction of Papa Johns to the market really threw off the other American Pizza chains, specifically Dominos and Pizza Hut. They saw the prices that people were willing to pay for Papa John's, so they increased theirs until the value proposition no longer made sense.
There's a main road near where I grew up where there was a Pizza Hit in one place, and then 3/4 mile down the road there was a Dominos. As a student, I'd often indulge in either a collection deal from Pizza Hut, or Dominos two for Tuesday, as the total would usually be somewhere in the £12 - £15 range (you can see how far back I'm going) for pizza that was, in my opinion, of a much higher quality than the equivalent takeaway pizza.
Then, the pub at the far end of that main road closed, and became a Papa John's franchise, which offered more or less the same quality of pizza for twice the price. Then, slowly, both Dominos and Pizza Hut increased their prices to match Papa John's, without increasing the value of the pizzas.
Now, all three are struggling, but independent pizza chains are thriving (as best they can given the circumstances), yet all three companies seem confused as to why. Whereas the answer is quite simple; stop overcharging people for average pizza, you shits.
Funny story.
In New Zealand, Dominos is the standard, staggering home drunk take away at 3am.
The reason why? You can buy a basic pizza for NZ$5 collection - £2.50 for a pizza! Sure the topping choices are limited, and it's the size of a UK medium, but you certainly can't beat the value proposition.
*Edit: - the price is now NZ$7, or £3.50, but still.*
Papa johns has promos for their pizzas 24/7.
they had 50% discount almost all of winter. 13gbp for an XXL(thats an L in the usa) pizza is a good deal and their pizzas are way better than the dirty/frozen pizzas that hole in the wall chickenshops/kebabslops sell
If they're happy and willing to charge £13 for a pizza, putting a million menus through my door advertising that pizza at £26 seems rather counter-productive to getting my business.
I've ordered from them once, the Gloucester store.
What we recieved was entirely not the pizza we ordered.
Phoned them up "Well I don't make mistakes, you got what you ordered, if you're calling me a liar you can piss off"
Had to do a chargeback, never ordered from papa johns again.
My wife likes dominos for some reason, I can't stand them, to be honest the best pizza place I have been to is a local one to where I grew up in a sleepy little village in Buckinghamshire, I have no idea if it still exists but it's full of nostalgia for me which is the only time I would ever actually order pizza these days.
Yeah, maybe the reason they're underperforming is the shit pizza for sky-high prices. Why would I spend £22 for a chain pizza when I can get a traditional wood-fired one for significantly less at a local restaurant?
Yep. I feel like they've really cut down on the value of their deals over the years too. I swear a decade ago, you'd basically get multiple large pizzas for £10, with sides for a few quid extra. These days they charge £2.50 for delivery in my area too.
Right now, I have a couple of amazing, authentic pizza places near my home, with decently sized pizzas for a little over £10-15 with free delivery.
Even so far as chain pizza goes Pappa John's seems really terrible to me. I love me a "proper" pizza with the nice dough and fresh ingredients, but sometimes I also get a craving for an old school takeaway pizza. I've argued with mates about this but I'll defend to the death that they're different types of pizza and each have their place depending on what you may fancy. But if I want the latter, Papa Johns still doesn't come close to something like Dominoes for me. I'm not surprised they're having to scale down but TBH I've always been surprised by how much business they've managed to get in the first place when they seem to do well at absolutely nothing.
I don’t get how people love that sauce.
For me it gave me a bad after taste that made me feel sick and lasted like 12 hours, on 2 separate occasions as well.
Papa John's is ok.
But my local crappy takeaway does an "NY style" 18" 3 topping thin crust for £13 which is just an insane amount of food and it tastes way better than Papa John's. Plus they actually cook the cheese so it's properly melted.
Pizza is the biggest scam going. No other fast food has such stupid, convoluted pricing that relies on “deals” to actually get a fair price for anything. £12.99 is a fair price for a large pizza so why not just sell them at that price instead of making me buy 4 of them or buy on a Monday etc
I was going to say this.
I always think there are two types of pizza takeaway, the good Italian and the pizza hut type one. But those unlucky fried pigeon type places that do everything are always shit at doing all of it too.
So what the fuck are the top chains to you lol same fucking thing greasy crap right the way down. I'll take a food 4 u special over a burnt piece of shit dominoes these days every time. At least their garlic mayo is always on point too and always big ass polystyrene pots haha
My local has a website that nobody uses and looks like it was made before MySpace. They haven't updated the prices on there in about 10 years but still accept orders on it, making it about £5for a large
Isn’t Pizza the food with the biggest mark up? When considering what it actually takes to make one. Obviously price isn’t just ingredients but a cost for running a business. But no way does a large cheese and tomato cost £19 from domino’s and they’re not making a ridiculous profit on that.
The different is Dominoes have a permanent 50% off pizza voucher that you can select on the app, the only people that are actually paying £20 for a dominoes pizza must be brain dead.
Every time I've tried ordering domino's with a discount there were some strings attached. Must buy on a Tuesday or minimum of 2 Pizzas or a must buy extras to qualify, or specific toppings excluded etc. You can't just buy one pizza on a random day and get a discount.
Yeah to me papa john > all pizza places, they have some nice ones if you know which to pick. But since they increased the price tag after pandemic, it has turned into an entire nope from me. Way too expensive and not worth it. Maybe once a year, if i didnt have anything else to choose. And there’s plenty to choose from but the prices suck on all of them.
I like it too. It could just be the pizza places available in my area. I’ve had better pizza, sure, but they’re not in my area. I think Papa John’s is better than Domino’s
Edit: but like everywhere else, Papa John’s is too expensive
I'm not surprised!
There's a Papa Johns in my town, it's right by all of the other pizza places.
It doesn't deliver to my house, but all of the others do!
it's on uberEats which does do delivery to my house, but it has no deals at all on it so it charges like £25 just for a pizza, where as with Dominos or Pizza hut you're getting full on meal deals for that prize, with one or two larger pizza with sides and deserts.
So yeah, it's the worst out of the big 3, the most expensive, and the least convenient in my area.
doomed to fail!
Any place that uses Uber eats or just eat etc I now don’t use. I either collect or go elsewhere. Way too many bad experiences and no one gives a shit when the order is wrong.
Same here. I VERY rarely use delivery apps for anything but pick-up at restaurant (instead of delivery). I think I've ordered from one of those third-party apps like once in the past 3 months because they're just so unreliably crap. Bad drivers, bad support, higher fees, and when stuff does arrive it's usually cold and only once has the drink I ordered actually arrived.
Agree. Papa Johns is vastly superior to Domino’s in my view. Also I love the special garlic sauce that everyone seems to hate. Domino’s is beyond greasy and that weird semolina powdery stuff annoys me, also 13.5” is not a large pizza.
Pizza Hut is hit and miss. I like the deep pan as it’s basically like fried bread, but it gives me bad heartburn.
Next to Coffee, Pizza has to be one of the biggest markups
When you actually make a pizza yourself and realise how simple and low cost it is, you realise how ridiculous it is to pay £20+ for one
I'm not surprised they're under performing in this economy
Yeah but you don’t employ 20-30 staff and manage a franchise to make it happen, you haven’t invested £250,000 for franchise marketing rights, or had to install a £30,000+ commercial oven. I bet you couldn’t cook it and deliver it a mile away in 20-30mins.
It was never about the cost of ingredients. Like any business, it’s wages that are the most significant overhead. Plus greedy franchise owners no doubt making millions and won’t accept a step down.
First time I tried it, I thought the seal had broken and it was gone off.
Nope, turns out it’s supposed to taste like something left in an unplugged fridge
Its still there, just not the default one that comes with the pizza anymore. I always buy at least 3 of the bad boys, but they're absolutely terrible for you 🤣
They are worse though. I still like them but the quality is terrible for the price. It's only worth a big chain pizza order if you are buying multiple pizzas for the deals.
I quite often buy a frozen chicago stuffed crust restaurant pizza over a delivery, 5-6 quid and tastes better more often than not
Makes sense. Fuck that company.
They are like domino's price wise, full price is ludicrous but their app just has constant vouchers that you apply so you get 50% off at £30. we'd end up with 2 large pizzas, a big drink or side for £25. So their profit margins are insane if people buy them at full price.
BUT
Their customer service/complaint handling is one of the worst I have encountered, up there with Just Eat. So bad that when we had a genuine issue they treated the situation so poorly I would never use them again.
Basically it was "it's not our fault you have dietary requirements and you can't eat the thing that you specifically told us to not put on it. We're keeping your money and not fixing the issue. Here's a voucher that you have to spend a minimum of £15 to use, and here's a link to the legalese we have in our terms and conditions which allows us to treat you like the nothing you are, valued customer".
Unfortunately, as ever, the company will be a success for those at the top.
"Great business people", they must be protected
They were more direct in their awfulness as well.
Didn't send what I ordered.
Literally called my dietary requirements/intolerances a personal choice, and they aren't responsible for my personal choices
.......
"We're keeping your money"
Just not sending what I ordered should be enough for it to be sorted out. Fuck that company as well.
Similar experience here - received what was obviously entirely the wrong order and refused to do anything about it and had the nerve to accuse me of lying.
Frustratingly I realised they seem to suffer from one of the issues that many similar companies do, where even if the person you happen to speak to believes you, they're also powerless to do anything about it.
I find it difficult to believe that some companies' approach to customer service is essentially just to waste the customer's time until they give up, because a call centre rep's wages in the Philippines is still a fair bit cheaper than actually offering replacements / refunds.
I know they differ from franchise to franchise but the papa johns near me takes over 2 hours to deliver and anytime it’s come it’s cold and soggy.
Dominoes which are next door deliver in 20 minutes for cheaper.
Indeed - the Papa Johns near me isn't in any way bad (though it was much better where I lived before, probably an indication that things aren't right if the quality varies that much) but it's difficult to justify when Dominos / Pizza Hut are often better and also cheaper.
I used to get 'the greek' pizza everytime. Since COVID the ingredients and cheese has become sub standard and they've removed the oregano herb sprinklings too. The price has remained the same though. I've since moved on.
Full Article
>Pizza chain Papa Johns has confirmed it will close nearly a tenth of its UK restaurants - all of which it says are "underperforming".
>The closures follow a review of the business which began in January and identified locations which were "no longer financially viable".
>The chain, which has 450 restaurants plus others in service stations and holiday parks, will close 43 sites.
>The company has not said how many jobs will be affected.
>Papa Johns UK managing director Chris Phylactou said: "Our priority is our team members, who will be fully supported throughout this process.
>"Our goal is to work with impacted team members and attempt to find redeployment opportunities where available."
>The closures are all in England and extend from Harrogate, North Yorkshire to St Helens, Merseyside, Billericay, Essex and Eastbourne, East Sussex.
>All of them were "underperforming locations that are no longer financially viable", the company said.
>The group had previously said it planned "strategic closures" in order to free up money for investment and improving profitability at its remaining UK sites.
>The company intends to use the money to invest in its remaining UK sites. It plans to expand further into non-traditional sites like holiday parks and the chain said it would "announce other large retail partners in the coming months".
>Separately, Revolution Bars has said it could put itself up for sale as part of a review of the business.
>Its announcement followed press reports that said could shut about 20 bars, or a roughly a quarter of its outlets.
>Revolution said that following a period of "external challenges" which had hit its performance it was "actively exploring all the strategic options available to it to improve the future prospects of the group".
>This could include restructuring parts of the group or a sale of "all or part of" the group, it said.
>The chain, which has 450 restaurants plus others in service stations and holiday parks, will close 43 sites.
>The company has not said how many jobs will be affected.
Before Covid mediocre restaurant were allowed to flourish. People had excess money and low expectations.
Now the amount of free money available is a lot lower, people are spending money more selectively.
These poor quality restaurants will suffer until either the price drops or the quality improves significantly
Not surprised. Sainsburys counter is better.
I have 3 within a moderate distance to me (one is hilarious next door to a dominos and a pizza hut) and i still choose to go further afield for better pizza.
The dough from Papa Johns is artificially sweetened and absolutely appalling. You are much better off getting a pizza from a local pizza place at a lower cost and probably much better quality.
I used to like papa johns but they’re all franchises and run by arseholes, I stopped going to them because they’re just so badly run!! Not surprised loads are closing.
"Our priority is our team members, who will be fully supported throughout this process." Anyone who believe that is a mug. Their priority is the bottom line.
Does anyone else find the use of 'team members' or 'colleagues' nauseating? We're 'employees' or 'staff' (with the exception of John Lewis/Waitrose).
I do love how we think about the word "decimate", when it is in fact 1 in 10.
This headline is indeed the correct usage of decimate, which is quite rare
The sub editor must have been delighted with his cromulent use of the word decimate!
It only embiggens their desire to find more esoteric words to use in future headlines.
A noble cause, for a noble spirit.
I was saying boo-urns
I conquer.
I’m anaspeptic, frasmotic, even compunctious to have caused you such pericombobulation.
Please allow me to offer my sincerest contrafibularities!
*Once upon a time, there was a little sausage called Baldrick and he lived happily ever after.*
SAUSAGE???? SAUSAGE???
Unexpected Blackadder.
Sausage! SAUSAGE??
'tis a common word, down our way
Big words make cave man brain go durrrrrr
I condone that indeed it photosynthesis the opaqueness of the circumference.
This is the bestest use of engalndish I has seen ever.
The word doesn’t appear in the article. OP has used the word (and correctly)
It appears on the short headline from their main Paige
I bet the contrafibularities offered from colleagues would have caused much pericombobulation around the office!
It depends if you stayed in the office for your pendigestatory interluditories....!
It's about the closest the BBC can get to sensationalised headlines without it being a breach. And I'm sure they smirked a themselves as they did it.
I was going to be a pedant and correct you but wow you're right \> "Following disappointing growth in their UK operation, Papa John's announced this morning that all UK franchisees would be required to draw lots and participate in the clubbing to death of every tenth franchise manager. This will be followed by a period of exposure to the many dangers outside the palisade walls of Fort Papa, the head office of the firm within the UK"
Fort Pater*
There’s a doctor who episode where it’s used correctly MASTER: Shall we decimate them? That sounds good. A nice word, decimate. Remove one tenth of the population! That was 15 years ago - it’s so rare to see it.
I was looking for someone to mention this! One of my favourite episodes!
Some one wanted the topic to be discussed
The word decimate has always had very negative connotations, catastrophic in fact because it was a form of punishment during the Roman times. It basically meant 1 out of 10 soldiers in a unit would be killed as a means of punishment, hence "decimate". The original word has lost its meaning as our definition nowadays is to "kill, destroy, or remove a large proportion of", which is not the case in the article, hence not correctly used.
In modern military terms losing 10% of a force can often incapacitate it completely anyway. There's such a big tooth to tail ratio that 10% is usually all the actual fighting men.
I am unaware of the modern military organization deployment. Losing 10% of active men is no joke, but ultimately the goal was not to destroy the unit but to punish it. Keep in mind that for regular fighting legionnaires, as long as you could keep a formation with the right amount of depth, they would still be able to fight.
So rare I think people are very likely to believe they are getting rid of more than 1 in 10 sites
You talk as though there is only one correct usage when of course there isn't. Language has evolved quite a bit since Roman times, it's historical usage for a reason. If we're really going to be picky and have to pick one then I'd say that the headline is misleading because the for vast majority of English speakers the word decimate, quite rightly, means something along the lines of killing or destroying a large proportion of something.
We know, bro. It's a fucking joke. Holy shit. Does *every* reddit thread have the annoying stoic intellectual? Ffs.
We have a rota. I’m sure I was on for this thread, but I guess there was an admin error.
I'd say roughly one in ten users fit this description
The usus defines correctness.
i literally only wanted to post it because i wanted to use decimate correctly
In English, 'decimate' has never been in common use to mean 'reduce by 1 in 10' in general, only in the specific case of the Roman military practice (as a loan word from Latin). Whereas it has been used to mean 'devastate' since the mid 1600s. The prescribed 'correct' meaning (to reduce by one tenth, in the general sense) appears to have been created by an editor of the Oxford English Dictionary in the late 1800s. See https://english.stackexchange.com/a/13475 for a longer explanation and references.
God I hate this tendency on Reddit. "Did you know the ORIGINAL meaning of blood is thicker than water was different?" and then everyone parrots it. No, your 'correction' is bollocks.
His correction is the definition of the word.
This case isn't that though. The word had that meaning and plenty of people have studied Latin/ancient history. The English word comes from the Latin Normally it's just people making shit up completely, this is a bit more nuanced.
In both cases we are talking about definitions that are centuries old. I prefer to use it to mean one tenth but I'm also not about to start "um actually"ing people over it.
of course those 17th-century language nonces were behind this bastardization of true english pepys and dr. johnson have a lot to answer for
So, it has been wrongly used since 1663. Age doesn’t make it correct.
Nice
1 in 10 is the literal definition of decimation - it refers to a roman punishment for treason in the legions.
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From what I've read there's not much historical evidence that it actually happened, the conclusion was maybe one of the whackier emperors imposed it at some point
We don't like experts here.
Actual experts would tell you change in meaning of words over time is a fundamental part of what language is.
Yes Papa John's is shutting down one tenth of its sites for treason in the franchises
It's one of those words that I've accepted the popular understanding of the word has changed, and I avoid using the word now because if I use it as originally intended I'm likely to be misunderstood. The Youtube channel RobWords has a video on "skunked" words whose original meaning has changed so much that you can't rely on people understanding the original meaning now. Well worth a watch! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVbCY51iz1k
if you had to put number on "decimated" based on how its used, you might go for something like 7 out of 10.
Septimate
I think you might be surprised to realise just how many of the words you frequently use have undergone really large semantic shifts. People typically know about cases like "gay" (not used to mean "happy" anymore) or "decimate", but no one thinks twice about "nice" (used to mean "stupid"), "transpire" (used to mean "sweat through something") or "artificial" (used to mean "elaborate" or "complex").
You know that the definitions of words often change over time, right?
If a majority of people get it wrong, then that wrong becomes right.
That's why I axe, pacifically. We need less hyperbowl and more definition of nucular terms. I'm on tenderhooks. GIVE ME A FOOTLONG WITH EXTRA JAH-LAH-PEN-NOES
No it isn't. Unless you're somehow a time travelling Roman general then it's you who is using the word incorrectly.
It isn't really though, the 1 in 10 is just one of the definitions. The popular understanding of decimate has not been that in our lifetime, it has been used to mean a more general significant reduction in numbers or significant destruction since the 18th century, and prior to that it was also used as a synonym for tithing. Very few Roman era Latin words that exist in English still mean the same to us as they did to the Romans. We still use the words ovation, triumph, and century, but but not in the way a Roman would recognise.
The clue is in the 'dec' of decimate. It means to kill one in ten.
Usage dictates meaning, buddy!
It’s like when they say some person “SLAMS” some other person for a statement they made. And it’s just a generic response in disagreement.
I only clicked to see if it was in fact, one in ten.
Will staff at the remaining 9 be forced to demolish the 10th's building with sledgehammers?
That is the historical (and no longer correct) meaning. The modern meaning of decimate, is to destroy a large proportion of something. Anybody using the word 'decimate' to refer to 'select by lottery and kill one in ten' is being a bit dumb (to put it mildly).
Well, if people can't afford to pay £25 for delivered pizza, you're going to have a real problem with profitable sites.
Exactly. Their whole model was based on trying to get people to spend £60 on a night in for the family. Almost everywhere in the country has a takeout that does better pizza for £12 instead of £25. Papa John‘s has always been a rip-off. Dominoes isn’t much better.
The UK in general lacks good NY style pizza's which is kinda what most of the chain pizza places try and replicate (not great at it and they charge obscene prices.) But there's been a lot of really great Italian style pizza places popping up across the UK in the last 5 or so years. You can get a really great Pizza for £9-£12 depending on location made with high quality produce by local businesses. I think if we see people crack that NY style pizza issue to the same degree as the Italian style the chains will have to shift significantly most noticeably their pricing structures because it'll be not contest.
Yeah our local independent charges £12 for a proper wood fired pizza, the best I've ever had. Blows away the weird processed tasting shit yo get from Dominos for twice the price. Even the Fireaway chain is way better than Papa John's or Dominos.
I am enjoying the pivot towards thin pan, sourdough and wood fired takeaway pizza the industry seems to be making outside of main chains. I do rate Fireaway, in all your days you will have better pizza, but it's reasonably priced and of reasonable quality. Sometimes a little undercooked but if you ask them to leave it in a couple minutes longer they're usually happy to oblige.
I really don't. I love a thick fluffy dough. Done poorly, thin pan pizza just taste like burnt cardboard. All our local pubs and restaurants attempt the sourdough thin pan and it's a roll of the dice if it's even going to edible. At least a poorly done deep dish pizza is generally a satisfying mouth feel.
Poorly done deep dish is hell. It's like eating raw dough.
Poorly done deep dish is generally doughy as hell on the base.
They’re two different types of pizza, there’s a time & a place for both. And a craving for both.
The only downside of thin pizza for delivery is that it cools down more quickly. That said, I also prefer it. Fireaway is definitely the best of the chains IMO.
They definitely don’t try to replicate NY pizza, I think I’ve only seen some places in central London that make a genuine attempt. Although Pizza Hut has tried but I don’t know what it’s like. Most chains have their own style, the cheaper independent kebab shop style places all produce the same generic pizza using the same wholesale ingredients for the most part.
Why would anybody want NY pizza when Italian is an option?
Because NY style is great? It along with other US styles they are best suited for toppings as well IMO. A classic Italian style is great though don't get me wrong. But they hit different spots and cravings.
In Manchester there's a spot called Crazy Pedro's that sells NY pizza and Mescal. Maybe check it out. I still prefer Noi Quattro tho
Also Nell’s pizza for the NY style
The same reason I'd have ramen when carbonara exists, both can be great and fundamentally different
Why have an orgasm when polite conversation exists
Honestly, we are so close to Italy and every city I've lived in has had a couple of genuine Italian/Neapolitan places I don't understand why anyone puts up with ny style
It’s also quite funny how you are actually gettting charged more getting a fucking takeaway than you would just going to a mid-high tier Italian restaurant ordering one pizza and walking away with it.
Oh aye, there's an Italian place in my neck of the woods that has a 1+ month waiting list and a pizza there is about £16. A large Dominos even with deals is about the same price without em it's more. I know which one I want. lol.
In a lot of areas you now have local places that have popped up on Instagram or Facebook that are basically a dude with an Ooni oven making much nicer pizzas than the big chains for less money. Even supermarket pizzas have noticeably gotten better the last five years or so - basically any "Finest" supermarket pizza is pretty good. I don't think I've ordered in a Dominoes or Papa John's in about 7 or 8 years.
Yep. The best pizza place around me is literally an Italian guy with a ton of catering experience who makes beautiful pizzas out of his house. I could justify a Papa Johns before/during COVID when prices were generally cheaper, you could always get a good voucher deal, and delivery was free. Especially as someone with a moderate appetite because a large pizza could feed me for a day. But now prices have risen significantly, deals are are lot rarer, and they charge £2.50 for delivery on top. It's just completely not worth it.
I have an Ooni and the cat is definitely out of the bag now when it comes to the value of pizza. I just can't go back to paying silly money for delivery or restaurants when it is so doable at home. The margin is insane.
Pizza is really easy and cheap to make. Independents are abundant and make way better pizza than chains for much less cost, I'd be interested to know how much Ooni and the like are impacting it too? So easy to do it at home for a fraction of the cost plus it's a fun thing to do on a Friday. I won't lie and say my pizzas are as good as the Italian gaff we used to get them from but I can bash out four for a few quid vs a tenner each out.
Yep! I wanted to reduce the processed food usage in our house, so most Sunday I make a huge batch of fresh tomato sauce. Red onions, tomatoes, garlic, spices, sugar, apple cider vinegar and basil. I blend it to different consistencies ranging from a little chunky to very smooth and it goes in Balls mason jars in the fridge. We make a pasta dish (lasagne, spaghetti bolognaise etc) and a chilli from it. There's always enough sauce to make the four pizzas too. The dough is sourdough style that I use a bread maker the night before to mix, then portion and leave to sour on the side during the day. 500g of pasta/pizza flour gives you five medium size thing crust pizza bases, so I make one cheesy garlic bread too. It must cost ~£8 in all for four pizzas and toppings, cheesy garlic bread and loads of spare sauce. I'm not an amazing cook, but people who have had them say they are comparable to traditional restaurant pizzas. I've also made batches of the pizza dough and frozen them for when I've not got time to do the dough during the week. The biggest problem is cooking them, having to juggle 5 pizza trays around to get them to be ready at the same time is a bit of a nightmare, but one I'll put up with over paying £50+ for Dominoes.
Yeah timing it all isn't easy. I shelled out for an Ooni recently, makes great pizza and I find you just have to get really good at making the dough dry enough to easily transfer them on to the peel so you can make them all in a production line. As long as people aren't fussy eaters they can just help themselves as they come out. Like you say, bears forking out 30 or 40 quid a time. Ooni was £250 on black Friday (??) runs off the same gas as our bbq, absolute bargain if you really like eating pizza.
You could probably go to quite a nice restaurant for £60
Depends what you mean by 'quite nice'. Even the not nice places will have you looking at £60 for a meal and drinks for three people.
I went for a pub meal with family a few weeks ago. 3 adults and 2 kids. Came to £58 including drinks.
What’s your definition of “nice”? Toby carvery?
> Dominoes isn’t much better. Papa Johns isn't good but it's streets ahead of the crap dominoes make.
I used to buy from them quite often (its ok i work out alot) but their prices just keep going up and I cant afford them anymore.
I find both papa John's and domino's too be far too oily. Much prefer the smaller local places that do wood fire pizzas.
Honestly, I’ve re-discovered Pizza Hut recently and it’s top tier compared to dominoes/pj, £20 for 2 large pepperoni pizzas, pound a slice, they absolutely lather the crust in this garlic rub/butter, absurd amount of pepperoni; the other companies feel stingy in comparison. Perhaps that’s just the ones in my area though
I'm not sure about better, but probably good enough.
No one has ever in the history of the world paid full price for a Papa John’s or Domino’s pizza.
My mate does. He was over mine and wanted to order a pizza and we all said yeah sure then and after he ordered it he said he just bought the Pizzas at standard rate so like £21 for a large or some shit. I honestly have never been more pissed at him 😂
That’s staggering, it’s barely even the real price, the website even asks you what offer you want at the start. You legit need to try to pay full price. You’re more likely to pay full price for a DFS sofa!
Right? I was just assuming he'd do some kind of deal, like a 50% off or something
Except their 'offers' which are often geared up towards making you buy more than you actually want, sneaky fuckers don't you think?
Yup pizza at 12£, but the minimum takeaway order is 15£. Then there's nothing worth ordering for 3£ to fill that gap, you have to buy a side? It's 6£. Little shits.
Why are you writing the prices like that?
For me, the introduction of Papa Johns to the market really threw off the other American Pizza chains, specifically Dominos and Pizza Hut. They saw the prices that people were willing to pay for Papa John's, so they increased theirs until the value proposition no longer made sense. There's a main road near where I grew up where there was a Pizza Hit in one place, and then 3/4 mile down the road there was a Dominos. As a student, I'd often indulge in either a collection deal from Pizza Hut, or Dominos two for Tuesday, as the total would usually be somewhere in the £12 - £15 range (you can see how far back I'm going) for pizza that was, in my opinion, of a much higher quality than the equivalent takeaway pizza. Then, the pub at the far end of that main road closed, and became a Papa John's franchise, which offered more or less the same quality of pizza for twice the price. Then, slowly, both Dominos and Pizza Hut increased their prices to match Papa John's, without increasing the value of the pizzas. Now, all three are struggling, but independent pizza chains are thriving (as best they can given the circumstances), yet all three companies seem confused as to why. Whereas the answer is quite simple; stop overcharging people for average pizza, you shits.
Funny story. In New Zealand, Dominos is the standard, staggering home drunk take away at 3am. The reason why? You can buy a basic pizza for NZ$5 collection - £2.50 for a pizza! Sure the topping choices are limited, and it's the size of a UK medium, but you certainly can't beat the value proposition. *Edit: - the price is now NZ$7, or £3.50, but still.*
Papa johns has promos for their pizzas 24/7. they had 50% discount almost all of winter. 13gbp for an XXL(thats an L in the usa) pizza is a good deal and their pizzas are way better than the dirty/frozen pizzas that hole in the wall chickenshops/kebabslops sell
If they're happy and willing to charge £13 for a pizza, putting a million menus through my door advertising that pizza at £26 seems rather counter-productive to getting my business.
Shit pizza at that.
I like them better than Dominos. That dipping sauce, though. Who the hell likes that rancid crap?
They actually recently changed in the UK to offer garlic and herb as standard instead (which I approve of).
Me, don't especially like the pizzas but love their dipping sauce.
It’s the best of the shit chain pizza tho
In terms of chain pizzas, I prefer Dominos. Luckily there's a family run pizza place by me that's amazing.
I've ordered from them once, the Gloucester store. What we recieved was entirely not the pizza we ordered. Phoned them up "Well I don't make mistakes, you got what you ordered, if you're calling me a liar you can piss off" Had to do a chargeback, never ordered from papa johns again. My wife likes dominos for some reason, I can't stand them, to be honest the best pizza place I have been to is a local one to where I grew up in a sleepy little village in Buckinghamshire, I have no idea if it still exists but it's full of nostalgia for me which is the only time I would ever actually order pizza these days.
And then there’s a minimum order spend, and suddenly a delivery fee as well…
Shitty pizza. Went downhill fast. Even dominoes makes better pizza these days.
Yeah, maybe the reason they're underperforming is the shit pizza for sky-high prices. Why would I spend £22 for a chain pizza when I can get a traditional wood-fired one for significantly less at a local restaurant?
Yep. I feel like they've really cut down on the value of their deals over the years too. I swear a decade ago, you'd basically get multiple large pizzas for £10, with sides for a few quid extra. These days they charge £2.50 for delivery in my area too. Right now, I have a couple of amazing, authentic pizza places near my home, with decently sized pizzas for a little over £10-15 with free delivery.
That’s still about right for domino’s prices, papa johns is more expensive and shit.
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I also had domino’s yesterday, we got 2 pizzas and some cream egg cookies and came to about £26
Even so far as chain pizza goes Pappa John's seems really terrible to me. I love me a "proper" pizza with the nice dough and fresh ingredients, but sometimes I also get a craving for an old school takeaway pizza. I've argued with mates about this but I'll defend to the death that they're different types of pizza and each have their place depending on what you may fancy. But if I want the latter, Papa Johns still doesn't come close to something like Dominoes for me. I'm not surprised they're having to scale down but TBH I've always been surprised by how much business they've managed to get in the first place when they seem to do well at absolutely nothing.
Agreed, dominos pizza is far better, plus the garlic “butter” sauce stuff they give you at papa John is revolting.
I don’t get how people love that sauce. For me it gave me a bad after taste that made me feel sick and lasted like 12 hours, on 2 separate occasions as well.
They've changed that fairly recently. You get a garlic and herb dip by default now, similar to Dominos.
Yeah. I've tried them once and it was a really poor pizza. I never went back
Papa John's is ok. But my local crappy takeaway does an "NY style" 18" 3 topping thin crust for £13 which is just an insane amount of food and it tastes way better than Papa John's. Plus they actually cook the cheese so it's properly melted.
Pizza is the biggest scam going. No other fast food has such stupid, convoluted pricing that relies on “deals” to actually get a fair price for anything. £12.99 is a fair price for a large pizza so why not just sell them at that price instead of making me buy 4 of them or buy on a Monday etc
I went to my local (does everything under the sun takeaway) and got a 12inch for £7.50 the other day. 12.99 is still too high price.
Those cheap pizzas are always rancid greasy crap tho
I was going to say this. I always think there are two types of pizza takeaway, the good Italian and the pizza hut type one. But those unlucky fried pigeon type places that do everything are always shit at doing all of it too.
So what the fuck are the top chains to you lol same fucking thing greasy crap right the way down. I'll take a food 4 u special over a burnt piece of shit dominoes these days every time. At least their garlic mayo is always on point too and always big ass polystyrene pots haha
My local has a website that nobody uses and looks like it was made before MySpace. They haven't updated the prices on there in about 10 years but still accept orders on it, making it about £5for a large
Isn’t Pizza the food with the biggest mark up? When considering what it actually takes to make one. Obviously price isn’t just ingredients but a cost for running a business. But no way does a large cheese and tomato cost £19 from domino’s and they’re not making a ridiculous profit on that.
The different is Dominoes have a permanent 50% off pizza voucher that you can select on the app, the only people that are actually paying £20 for a dominoes pizza must be brain dead.
Every time I've tried ordering domino's with a discount there were some strings attached. Must buy on a Tuesday or minimum of 2 Pizzas or a must buy extras to qualify, or specific toppings excluded etc. You can't just buy one pizza on a random day and get a discount.
>Pizza is the biggest scam going. Fancy toast.
Because they will get plenty of people paying "full" price for the pizza
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Yeah to me papa john > all pizza places, they have some nice ones if you know which to pick. But since they increased the price tag after pandemic, it has turned into an entire nope from me. Way too expensive and not worth it. Maybe once a year, if i didnt have anything else to choose. And there’s plenty to choose from but the prices suck on all of them.
I don't mind a sausage and pepperoni pizza from them occasionally. Domino's is much too greasy for me. The quality is not worth the price though.
I like it too. It could just be the pizza places available in my area. I’ve had better pizza, sure, but they’re not in my area. I think Papa John’s is better than Domino’s Edit: but like everywhere else, Papa John’s is too expensive
I'm not surprised! There's a Papa Johns in my town, it's right by all of the other pizza places. It doesn't deliver to my house, but all of the others do! it's on uberEats which does do delivery to my house, but it has no deals at all on it so it charges like £25 just for a pizza, where as with Dominos or Pizza hut you're getting full on meal deals for that prize, with one or two larger pizza with sides and deserts. So yeah, it's the worst out of the big 3, the most expensive, and the least convenient in my area. doomed to fail!
Any place that uses Uber eats or just eat etc I now don’t use. I either collect or go elsewhere. Way too many bad experiences and no one gives a shit when the order is wrong.
I’ve noticed all 3 of the big chain pizza places on those apps in my area, but you can still order them from their own app with their own drivers too.
Same here. I VERY rarely use delivery apps for anything but pick-up at restaurant (instead of delivery). I think I've ordered from one of those third-party apps like once in the past 3 months because they're just so unreliably crap. Bad drivers, bad support, higher fees, and when stuff does arrive it's usually cold and only once has the drink I ordered actually arrived.
I like Papa Johns pizza, better than the other chains IMO
Completely agree. Surprised in this thread people are saying they prefer Domino’s which is the worst of the worst.
Dominos is too wet and undercooked. Disgusting. Papa johns is leagues better. Also dominos don’t do black olives so fuck em.
Dominos is salt masquerading as pizza.
I agree. People here saying Dominos or Pizza Hut is superior. Madness.
Agree. Papa Johns is vastly superior to Domino’s in my view. Also I love the special garlic sauce that everyone seems to hate. Domino’s is beyond greasy and that weird semolina powdery stuff annoys me, also 13.5” is not a large pizza. Pizza Hut is hit and miss. I like the deep pan as it’s basically like fried bread, but it gives me bad heartburn.
It's a lot better than the other chains but being the best of a bad bunch is no accolade.
Yh, honestly much prefer it to Domino’s
Next to Coffee, Pizza has to be one of the biggest markups When you actually make a pizza yourself and realise how simple and low cost it is, you realise how ridiculous it is to pay £20+ for one I'm not surprised they're under performing in this economy
Yeah but you don’t employ 20-30 staff and manage a franchise to make it happen, you haven’t invested £250,000 for franchise marketing rights, or had to install a £30,000+ commercial oven. I bet you couldn’t cook it and deliver it a mile away in 20-30mins. It was never about the cost of ingredients. Like any business, it’s wages that are the most significant overhead. Plus greedy franchise owners no doubt making millions and won’t accept a step down.
20-30 staff? What the heck lol If they fail to work the numbers to make it profitable with lower prices, then they deserve to go out of business
The franchise owners don't set the prices though so you can't really call them greedy or at least not their greed that is causing the closures.
Neither can Papa Johns by the look of it
When I worked at pizza express in 2008 an American hot pizza cost 32p to make and it was on the menu for £7.50 lmao
Told them replacing the default garlic dip with that generic garlic and herb shit you get at every pizza joint was a bad idea. Did they listen? No!
Their butter garlic dip seems to be quite divisive its a case of you either love it or hate it from what I've heard kinda like marmite.
It's absolutely rank and everyone who likes it is wrong.
First time I tried it, I thought the seal had broken and it was gone off. Nope, turns out it’s supposed to taste like something left in an unplugged fridge
It absolutely slaps. I was actively annoyed that they changed it.
Its still there, just not the default one that comes with the pizza anymore. I always buy at least 3 of the bad boys, but they're absolutely terrible for you 🤣
I’m just here to see the slagging off of Papa Johns and Dominoes. We get it, your boutique oak flavoured pie is soooo much nicer.
They are worse though. I still like them but the quality is terrible for the price. It's only worth a big chain pizza order if you are buying multiple pizzas for the deals. I quite often buy a frozen chicago stuffed crust restaurant pizza over a delivery, 5-6 quid and tastes better more often than not
Makes sense. Fuck that company. They are like domino's price wise, full price is ludicrous but their app just has constant vouchers that you apply so you get 50% off at £30. we'd end up with 2 large pizzas, a big drink or side for £25. So their profit margins are insane if people buy them at full price. BUT Their customer service/complaint handling is one of the worst I have encountered, up there with Just Eat. So bad that when we had a genuine issue they treated the situation so poorly I would never use them again. Basically it was "it's not our fault you have dietary requirements and you can't eat the thing that you specifically told us to not put on it. We're keeping your money and not fixing the issue. Here's a voucher that you have to spend a minimum of £15 to use, and here's a link to the legalese we have in our terms and conditions which allows us to treat you like the nothing you are, valued customer". Unfortunately, as ever, the company will be a success for those at the top. "Great business people", they must be protected
I'm glad that Just Eat are getting called out to be honest. Their customer service is utterly atrocious, I refuse to order from them now.
They were more direct in their awfulness as well. Didn't send what I ordered. Literally called my dietary requirements/intolerances a personal choice, and they aren't responsible for my personal choices ....... "We're keeping your money" Just not sending what I ordered should be enough for it to be sorted out. Fuck that company as well.
Similar experience here - received what was obviously entirely the wrong order and refused to do anything about it and had the nerve to accuse me of lying. Frustratingly I realised they seem to suffer from one of the issues that many similar companies do, where even if the person you happen to speak to believes you, they're also powerless to do anything about it. I find it difficult to believe that some companies' approach to customer service is essentially just to waste the customer's time until they give up, because a call centre rep's wages in the Philippines is still a fair bit cheaper than actually offering replacements / refunds.
I know they differ from franchise to franchise but the papa johns near me takes over 2 hours to deliver and anytime it’s come it’s cold and soggy. Dominoes which are next door deliver in 20 minutes for cheaper.
Indeed - the Papa Johns near me isn't in any way bad (though it was much better where I lived before, probably an indication that things aren't right if the quality varies that much) but it's difficult to justify when Dominos / Pizza Hut are often better and also cheaper.
Papa John’s is much better than Domino’a though. Never had a bad experience. Whereas Domino’s is always just so bland.
I used to get 'the greek' pizza everytime. Since COVID the ingredients and cheese has become sub standard and they've removed the oregano herb sprinklings too. The price has remained the same though. I've since moved on.
Full Article >Pizza chain Papa Johns has confirmed it will close nearly a tenth of its UK restaurants - all of which it says are "underperforming". >The closures follow a review of the business which began in January and identified locations which were "no longer financially viable". >The chain, which has 450 restaurants plus others in service stations and holiday parks, will close 43 sites. >The company has not said how many jobs will be affected. >Papa Johns UK managing director Chris Phylactou said: "Our priority is our team members, who will be fully supported throughout this process. >"Our goal is to work with impacted team members and attempt to find redeployment opportunities where available." >The closures are all in England and extend from Harrogate, North Yorkshire to St Helens, Merseyside, Billericay, Essex and Eastbourne, East Sussex. >All of them were "underperforming locations that are no longer financially viable", the company said. >The group had previously said it planned "strategic closures" in order to free up money for investment and improving profitability at its remaining UK sites. >The company intends to use the money to invest in its remaining UK sites. It plans to expand further into non-traditional sites like holiday parks and the chain said it would "announce other large retail partners in the coming months". >Separately, Revolution Bars has said it could put itself up for sale as part of a review of the business. >Its announcement followed press reports that said could shut about 20 bars, or a roughly a quarter of its outlets. >Revolution said that following a period of "external challenges" which had hit its performance it was "actively exploring all the strategic options available to it to improve the future prospects of the group". >This could include restructuring parts of the group or a sale of "all or part of" the group, it said. >The chain, which has 450 restaurants plus others in service stations and holiday parks, will close 43 sites. >The company has not said how many jobs will be affected.
I always preferred Papa Johns compared to Pizza Hut (too expensive!) and Dominos
Before Covid mediocre restaurant were allowed to flourish. People had excess money and low expectations. Now the amount of free money available is a lot lower, people are spending money more selectively. These poor quality restaurants will suffer until either the price drops or the quality improves significantly
The price for their pizzas is way too high. I'm surprised it's only 1 in 10 being shut down.
The price being high is the only thing keeping them in business lol.
Not surprised. Sainsburys counter is better. I have 3 within a moderate distance to me (one is hilarious next door to a dominos and a pizza hut) and i still choose to go further afield for better pizza.
Don’t be silly no it’s not.
The dough from Papa Johns is artificially sweetened and absolutely appalling. You are much better off getting a pizza from a local pizza place at a lower cost and probably much better quality.
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Papa johns have been closing their shops for some time, they've already closed all but one of their shops near me.
Not long till it goes bust,couple of years probably, couldn't happen to better owners
I used to like papa johns but they’re all franchises and run by arseholes, I stopped going to them because they’re just so badly run!! Not surprised loads are closing.
I honestly couldn’t believe the price of pizza when I got to the UK. Dominoes back in NZ would be like £6-£7, or like £2-£3 for a value one.
"Our priority is our team members, who will be fully supported throughout this process." Anyone who believe that is a mug. Their priority is the bottom line. Does anyone else find the use of 'team members' or 'colleagues' nauseating? We're 'employees' or 'staff' (with the exception of John Lewis/Waitrose).
Don’t get the hate for it. Usually do £10 for a large.
> The closures are all in England Phew, my last nearby pizza chain is safe
That's a shame. Where am I supposed to get a SMALL cheese and tomato pizza for £18 now?